Why didn't the Empire use Mon Cal Cruisers?
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- Mon Calamari cruisers were some of the greatest warships used during the Galactic Civil War in Star Wars, and helped the Rebel Alliance defeat the Empire... so, why didn't the Empire use Mon Calamari cruisers? We'll talk about that and more during today's video!
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I mean come on, The Empire like Edges, not Curves. This will just cause problems
The rebels will like Canada’s curves.
Besides, no self respecting Imperial would serve on a ship built by those fish people.
@@dexterhochstetler3727 *Insert some obscure lore made by a Author who completely forgets why the Imperials are always portrayed by Humans*
Good point though
@@tox1cboi_524 I got that reference
Fair point yes. I can see Grand Moff Lucas at the ship yards saying “Wedgie them out a bit”
Why would the empire want big cruise ships filled with squid people?
That's what the Empire probably thought.
The Empire was extremely specist. They probably did not want “fishy” ships.
“The cabins probably stink of the shipwrights’ hands!”
For all those *special* needs.
What “special” means in this context is up to you
@@darkslayer1161 I've watched enough -anime- Visions to see where this is going....
@@darkslayer1161 mentally different? Kinda like me
I think it's simple.
They were very human centric, and did not want to use a ship not made by humans, and instead made by a "lesser species"
I like his idea, but then in rebels they confirm that the deathstar was built by the Geonotians for the Empire (who later annihilated the entire species to hide this fact) so it was basically a curved ball built by a lesser species for humans…
@@pramitkhanna7163 Only some of that work, and it was something that was hard to replace. A warship though, that didn't require the swallowing of their pride to get built. Also the concept may have originated with Raith Seinar.
In old lore, the emperor was a known racist, i.e. human superiority,
Persecution of non-human or near-human species was systematic and included genocide and slavery
The fact that Thrawn was promoted to Grand Admiral rank in spite of the Emperors prejudice spoke to Thrawns abilities
@@mpalfadel2008 based emperor
I’m still wondering why the Tarkin Doctrine wasn’t abandoned after the Battle of Yavin and the explosive failure of the Death Star
The Empire needed to gain back control of the galaxy quickly after the Battle of Yavin. Without the Death Star, and without the Imperial Senate, the Empire was becoming more and more unstable. They retreated further into the doctrine as a defense mechanism and built the Death Star II in the hope the galaxy would calm down enough to actually address the problem, but after the death of Sidious, of course the galaxy well and truly had enough.
Star Wars Empire at War actually kind of explained this. Veers was showing off his brand new AT-AT to Tarkin, Vadar, and Palpatine and Palpatine was impressed with how effective the AT-AT was against Alliance tanks to which Tarkin said that once the Death Star is complete that wasting resources on ground attacks would be ineffective and pointless to which Palpatine said that he see's great use for the AT-AT in the future and ordered it to go into production. So basically, it came down to "I can see the future and you will do what you are told" Plus with the original canon, Palpatine knew the galaxy would be invaded by what we called the Vong in the future and wanted the galaxy to be powerful in more ways that one could imagine.
@@Seriona1 Yuuzhan Vong, you know what they'll do to you if you call them just by their last name.
@@aster4jaden Eh, I'm not afraid.
@@Seriona1
Palpatine did not see the Vong coming. That was just an excuse by "the Empire did nothing wrong" memers, who took it way too seriously.
Eck: *talks about destroying the shipyards and boiling the seas*
Also Eck: I like talking about the Mon Cals
Regardless it's wild to me that as the only major capital ship yard not explicitly under control of the Empire, that the Empire would try to capture it. If anything, fighting a conventional war is what the Empire was set up to fight, and a protracted campaign against a singular planetary system, even if it possessed capital ship counts in the low hundreds, should have been a pretty straightforward exercise given over all Imperial resources - even if it would have needed considerable minesweeping ahead of time.
Well, it’s more complicated than that.
First of all, if the Empire attacked Mon Calamari it would force them to divert resources from other sectors, leaving them open to attack.
Secondly, Mon Calamari was not an ordinary planet, it was a lot like Kuat and Coruscant in that it had a huge array of defenses, making a standard attack extremely impractical and likely very costly.
Third, even if they took Mon Calamari, it would not stop the production of Mon Calamari ships, as the Rebellion/New Republic was also in control of a variety of other shipyards that they could just use to produce Mon Cal ships.
Overall, the Empire couldn’t take Mon Calamari because it wasn’t a really practical target to take. In the Empires leaderships minds, it would be better and more practical to destroy Alliance Command and leadership rather than take one shipyard.
While this makes sense, I could see this attack happening anyway because the Imperial high command is not that smart.
@@bigj1905 I get this sentiment, but the Empire was fundamentally not set up for asymmetrical warfare, and was on an almost completely on a conventional footing (mostly as a jobs program and way to militarize the state).
A single ISD, even as a relatively diluted "jack of all trades" capital ship could go head to head with basically any other ship in the galaxy, and there were 100,000 of them, while maybe there was a few hundred warships of similar tonnage mostly in Mon Cala's planetary fleet and then a handful with the Rebels formally or left over Clone Wars era ships with various planetary forces.
Point is, the canonical reason for why the Empire couldn't just get a strike force of 1,000 war ships to utterly demolish Mon Cala is as you said fear about removing garrisoning forces as you said, that is true.
But I just think it's dumb since 1) It's still a trivial amount of assets for the Empire to mobilize in the scheme of things, even if it would probably require Navy to step on the civilian governments toes to pull assets out of Sector-based fleets, 2) The Empire is the US Navy circa 1992 to the billionth power - hegemonic expeditionary navy built to fight another equal nation state(s), but with no remaining adversary and forced to leverage it's sprawling assets to fight a low end asymmetrical fight and trying to stay relevant. I feel like they would jump at the opportunity for the first time in a decade (since the reconquest campaigns) to go have a fleet action just for the political points and the ego (like when a bunch of majors were allegedly fighting to get seat on with the 173rd jumping in North Iraq in 2003 just so they could say they were in the last great combat drop). Especially when, at least in the EU back in the day, Papa Palps was pulling a Hitler and going full bore budget wise into super weapons and the space SS in the Stormtroopers at the detriment to the non political Navy and (super sidelined) Army.
I think that a Mon Calamari campaign would be a cool thing to do in a series. Showing the Empire mobilize a force to try and take out the shipyards and get absolutely decimated for their trouble.
the loss of an entire fleet paired with Rebel actions intensifying in other sectors giving the Imperials such a bloody nose that they are forced onto the defensive for the time being
@@willlasdf123 I will grant you that’s fair, but what if the campaign failed?
It would be a huge embarrassment to the Empire, losing in they type of warfare they are supposed to excel at.
And while 100,000 ISDs sounds good on pen and paper, you have to remember that the Empire was in control of millions of systems.
That’s part of the reason why their were so few ISDs at Endor, any movement they made was almost assuredly going to tip off the Rebellion that something was up.
This video raises an interesting question of what imperial designed mon calamari cruisers would look like. Imagine it’s something that sort of combines the edges of imperial ships with the curves of mon calamari ones.
Someone call EC Henry!
called the Republic Class- part of the New Class Modernization Project
Search for MC 99 star wars
Maybe it would just be an otherwise normal ISD that is covered in bulbous blisters like it got stung by giant space bees.
Look up the Republic Class Star Destroyer.
For having 'taken' the shipyards it would have involved a massive undertaking well away from Imperial supply lines. The shipyards were massively fortified, access was limited (via the mined hyperlanes). The logistics would be nightmarish. The Tarkin Doctrine required the appearance of fear and invulnerability. If a major Imperial assault turns into a stalemate or a defeat, then that's a total humiliation for the Empire and would have countless worlds considering dissent and rebellion.
Plus redeploying significant forces into the area would leave other areas heavily weakened. The Outer Rim was only sparsely fortified with limited forces which were massively spread out. Collecting large numbers of ships from the region would have weakened them even further and left them exposed. The only areas with massive numbers of ships were the Core worlds, of which sending large forces away from would be a political impossibility.
Stripping hte Outer Rim dry for the forces for an attack would leave many more worlds vulnerable, and ana ttack would not have a necessarily huge chance of success. So between that and general Imperial lethargy/conservatism preempted large scale orientation for an assault. And that far from Imperial bases/supply lines would make large scale mobilization tenuous. large scale Imperial offensives in the Outer Rim could be tricky - long term campaigns had been abandoned when they didn't have the logistical support for follow up operations.
A big one being Task Force VEngeance (from X-Wing vs TIE Fighter: Balance of Power) where the large Imperial task force sent in to pacify the sector is hit with heavy losses and has much of their supply lines cut. So when a final scale gambit leads to failure it's just not worth it for the Empire to send in another heavy fleet.
Because they're well shielded but fairly underarmed for their size. Plus standardization is important where possible.
Good point. Also, given that the Rebels focused more on starfighters than capital ships, more shielding wouldn’t be as helpful as more weaponry, even from a defensive perspective. In contrast the Imperials tended to favor larger ships with presumably stronger weapons, so the increased shields would be more useful against them.
I hope you will make more videos like this again because I really enjoy them
Also Mon Cal Cruisers are each individual and different. One of the legends books says that the problem with Mon Cal Ships is that there is no standardisation between them. That's a major problem with military vessels.
Justin always pairs his videos with the perfect BGM. Seriously one of my favorite things about his content.
I wish Rebel Alliance's land vehicles had more screentime in movies, books etc. Can you make a video about New Republic's and Rebel Alliance's land vehicles such as Armored Freerunner, AAC-1 Alliance Tank, T3-B and T4-B? It will be much appreciated. Thank you.
Because then we couldn’t tell the difference between the Rebels and Empire, also because yk Mon Calamari ships were geared towards non humans and that was unacceptable to the empire.
Edit: oh sorry Eck, but I do feel proud for realizing your point before you said it. Great video!
Wasn't it a legends thing that ships like Home One were originally hidden on Mon Cal as upright structures under the sea...used as housing and business buildings, and no-one but the Mon Cals knew they were actually spacecraft?
That would have been badass
It's in Clone Wars actually, the episode 'Water War'.
Which was also why their cruisers were made with such tough hulls and used powerful shields. Because of pressures of the Mon Calamari seafloor.
Eck, what’s your take on old Legends continuity vs Clone Wars bringing them in as a Republic world? Wasn’t Mon Cal a newly-discovered planet that drove off a small Imperial garrison and only then joined the rebels?
The Empire lied. Simple as that, it's an old retcon.
"... and boil the seas, not unlike his predecessor Darth Krayt. Well anyways guys hope you enjoyed the video, pretty fun one..."
You and I have a different definition of fun, it seems, Eck.
The miserable Darth Krayt story is Legends, not canon. As much as I dislike Disney I loathe what the Expanded Universe turned into. Thrown into the video like a redundant afterthought.
The MC80b and Mediator-class ships are my 2 most favorite in all of Star wars, so I always like hearing about Mon Cala. Though, I once read that they made only 6 MC80b before introducing the MC90 that seems preposterously low, but it was probably the writers having no sense of scale.
The Empire DID own and subjucate the Mon Cal yards for a while before being thrown out but IIRC were just building their normal ships there. TFU 2 novelization and uh flashbacks in Darksaber cover that too.
There are pretty good points here, why the Empire didn't think to have at least some Mon Cala tech like the fast recharging shields or star ships that can go under water? It may be alien but does that really matter, it's not the first time the Empire has adapted something alien like example Grand Admiral Thrawn he's alien and has adopted both Chiss and Imperial technocally together in legends and I'd believe that Thrawn himself would love to have some ships with that tech
Also the Empire, under the guidance of Tarkin’s Naval doctrine, we’re geared more towards imposing ships that would produce fear in their enemies. The Empire, at least from my understanding, liked uniformity. The Mon Calamari ships never fit the Imperial aesthetic. Also I now realize that Eck went over this.
One of the key issues with the Empire was its rampant racism. They distrusted anything non-human, and sure as hell were not going to use ships designed f9r a different species. The other issue not mentioned here was the Mon Cals tendency to make each vessel unique in look and design. No two ships were the same...which made standardization impossible. This would change later but I can see why the Empire dismissed them.
What racism? Do you mean specism?
@@MrSiddharthaSaha That too. They were also sexist as well, with only one woman ever reaching command rank...and that because she was sleeping with Tarkin. Yes, THAT Tarkin.
@@SignoftheMagi Mas Amedda the Chancellor was not human. And Mara Jade the Emperor's personal spy was a woman.
Imperial: Because wet xeno looks like a guppy.
Awesome video and would love to hear more on the corporations, and shipyards that shaped star wars
Dac is far too remote to be an effective shipyard. Building a brand new one at Dantoine would have been more practical.
And Dantooine is too remote for an effective demonstration of the Death Star's fire power!
What were the smallest ships made by the Mon Calamari? Did they have their own fighters? Might be a cool video.
Not enough triangle
Maybe because those ships lack elegance and grace, they look like sausages with big boils on them. Man, I love blowing them up in Empire At War.
Eck did you notice that in the first mission of the skywalker saga in the empire strikes back you can find the Outrider half buried in the snow
Eck, I'd love to know more about what Legends ships have and have not made it into the new canon and potentially why we have not seen certain ships make it over.
In some material the mon cal ships werent originally designed for war
If you uploaded longer lore stories to Spotify as a podcast, it would be amazing
I would love to see an alternate history video of an imperial attempt to break the blocked and attack Mon Cal and if it would play out differently with the DS1 DS2 or just conventional fleets
So im imagining many quarters of their ship being more or less huge aquariums worked into the design of their ship. And maybe alot of the engine rooms and such are filled with water that has a cooling or other essential effect and were the engineers have to be completely comfortable working underwater. Humans would have to use wetsuits to just get around.
Something that I don't think a lot of people realize is the rebel ships were literally civilian vessels with guns strapped to them. The monkel cruisers were luxury liners, the y wings were basically pickup trucks a wings were basically sports cars, the airspeed are seen on hot where the equivalent of ATVs many of the mid-sized capital ships they had were actually just cargo haulers. The most directly offensive vehicle that they really used was the X-Wing and the b-wing
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Simple answer because Papa Palps really, REALLY loved pizza lol
The assault on Mon Cala by Tarkin, as explained in TEGTW, happened in canon as well, we saw it in Darth Vader (2017)!
From what's known, basically, the Empire tried and failed. Something mostly of the Fish people anticipating them trying an sent away all the best ships so there wasn't much left when the Empire's troops arrived to take what they could. An of course the Empire like video said underestimated them in quite a few ways.
simple reason from old 90's lore, they were commercials liners that were later weaponized by the rebel alliance
Always wondered this.
Economics is a factor, it's easier to mass produce one design with standardized parts as opposed to multiple designs with different parts. Also the workers don't have to be trained to manufacture different models with different equipment.
Nothing gets me harder than in depth technical analyses of things that don't exist. It's like playing a game, only you're serious to the point of almost taking all the fun out of it. Das my shit
I've always wondered, why didn't the new Republic use Imperial ships and equipment? Seriously, put a new Republic logo on some storm trooper armor
They didn't want to necessarily associate themselves with equipment that was a symbol of the former empire and it's cruelty
@@viefcheesecake it still would have made sense to take it and refit it. Kind of like the European resistance fighters who just used bits and pieces of German outfits like helmets but heavily personalized. Or the NCR using BOS stuff. It makes sense, just make it distinct. Paint It blue
@@sparta2705 that is because they needed everything they could get, even the rebel alliance used imperial ships when they had the chance, but the difference was that he was talking about the new republic specifically and which it made sense that they would continue using their proven vessels that they have the most experience with
@@viefcheesecake agreed. In the end you WANT to use your own things, but generally use your enemies equipment out of necessity or convenience.
Emperor: "I'd rather my robes didn't smell like a ****ing Fillet O' Fish all day, thank you".
"now boil their seas away!!"
"....and shall we make it look like an accident?"
#askEck Do you think you could make a more In depth video on capital ship shielding, like how is it related to reactor output, how are shields pierced/ disabled by starfighters, even though it seems illogical etc
A comparison would be the US spending half of its massive military budget on the Norfolk shipyards
I'm going to just add this here since I haven't seen anyone else figure it out. Mon Cal built most of their ships from Mon Cal localized resources. In addition, they had no standard building style since they "grew" their ships in a way. Thus, there was no way for the Empire to standardize the Mon Cal shipyards to Imperial standards. The only way to use the Mon Cal shipyards was to build new ones.
Just by identification reason ;
Old Republic fleet for Clone army also composed of ships more like ISD than MC80 or Home One
DO a video about the blue diver!
would you possibly consider doing a resurgence class star destroyer vs a starhawk
My headcannon has always been that the Mon Cals built "civilian" ships that could be easily converted into military use, kinda like what Germany was doing prior to WW1, but even more so.
Famously, the MonCal ships were tough as old boots. That's not something you can accomplish with "bolt-on" defenses...
Mon Cal ships were structurally sound because they had been built from the start with ocean diving in mind (acquatic race), and the Calamari made them tougher adding layers over layers of shields. Obviously, that, and to add turbolasers too, needs energy. So the cruisers had been probably built from the start with more energy generation capability than what was needed for strict civilian use, or with storage space that could be converted to add more generators.
@@neutronalchemist3241I bet that was the excuse they used at least. The more "accidental future proofing" you add into your designs, the more it's starting to look suspiciously like a plan.
Btw... In rl armor steel and structural steel is dissimilar enough that a pressure tank (ductile steel) is not really a good battle tank (hardened steel). I guess they looked enough like each other that the name could be used to confuse their purpose though. :)
Silly question, Ecks, but did you ever read the Darths and Droids comic?
What did you use for the 16 Bit Star Destroyer shots?
I've always thought the Bellator class Star Destroyer looked like it might have incorporated some Mon Cal design.
I believe although this is a fair explanation it is more likely due to Palpatine's transition from republic to empire seen in E1 of the Bad Batch. During the transition all republic currency became null and void as well as all debits owed. Meaning the big cooperation's supplying the war like Khuat were goateed out of resources, labor, and supplies and needed money. So they were easy to exploit into production again. While Mon Cal ship yard although they might have needed money and resources during the change were not in significant debt.
@EckhartsLaddder have you done an x-wing origins vid. I did not see one on your page. I would love to know where Luke got his T-65 AA589. Does he ever pile drive it into terra firma or does he have it forever and never wreck it. I am referring to a comic here that I forgot the issue of.
well, i'm wondering: the Empire produced many Ships, 20.000 ISDs alone in the ~25 Years of the impireal Reign on many Planets and Shipyards, but each one has a Limit, even Kuat, but are there ever other MonCal Yards mentioned? I mean shure, you could pump 5% Budget into one Yard, but how many Ships can one Planet produce, when we compared that to the 1000 Star Dreadnoughts on Exegol build, exkluding that they had to do that in secret and over 50 Years, but at least it gives us some rough numbers
Well, thats the downside of the star wars. There is always a problem about scale. As an example to show how this is a common problem, the numbers of the clones was not billions, not hundred millions, not even ten millions, there were just few million clones (6 million if i recall it true) in grand army of republic ever produced. Not even a given moment, it was all in total. For a galaxy scale of space war. For scale, usa has 1 million soldier, nato has like 3.5 million soldier. And grand army of republic which fought one of the biggest war entire galaxy seen was like 5-6 million with kia included
@@silcrow1820 of course, Fleets in Star Wars operating always in the Rule of cool and technical possible, but at one point the Battle for the Second Death Star, it was all the Rebells and the Empire muster, then someone said: that doesn't make sense having so few ships for an galactic Empire and Rebelion and made them just "a" fleet.
But did never any author thought: hu, if the New Republic is building a new and larger Navy, maybe should invent a new Mon Cal Yard for this reference book
Sequel Trilogy is not canon.
@@El_Fabricio ok boomer, playing dumb gatekeeper again?
Mon Cal shipyards are a giant planetary ring station. Its hard to overstate just how massive such a construct is. In fact, based on images of them, they are FAR larger than the Kuat shipyard ring. Even if we assumed the planets to be the same size (Kuat is apparently only 10000 km wide though whereas Dac/Mon Cala is 11000 km wide too).
#askeck what warships, asides from dreadnoughts, did the Mon Cal have during the clone wars?
Lore Versus video request:
Resurgent vs. Starhawk
Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing
World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship
Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail
Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version)
Keldabe vs. ISD II
MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer
Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class
Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser
FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator
Praetor vs. Subjugator
EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent
Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III
#askeck Since Thrawn was introduced in Canon, how do you imagine other Legends characters' debut in Canon, their role, the scenario and where?
e.g. How do you imagine Warlord Zsinj's debut in Canon?
They really need to stop tainting characters written by good writers like Zahn with the stench of the Disney filth. Star Wars was ruined the moment Disney took over. Its a pity they didn't follow the Marvel model and largely leave it alone.
Boil the seas of mon-cala? Sounds like a delicious seafood feast!
The empire would have be invincible if they use Mon calamari ships
They would have been invincible had they build a flexible fleet and proper starfighters contingencies. Instead of dumbly continued to us ISD to fight and enemy that was obviously very good at fighting them. I mean when you leave smart people managing the armed forces you have nightmares like the TIE defenders being produced, which alone could have stomped the rebels.
@@florians9949 A reasonable explanation for why the Empire kept using the ISD's and TIE's would be that the empire had ordered a massive flotilla, and when their design flaws became apparent, they couldn't just replace the entire fleet in a timely manner before the Rebels won. I'd imagine there were new designs going through Imperial R&D, but they never had the chance to be deployed.
@@SybilantSquid To which I would reply they had the knowledge and resources to make a new fleet up from scratch specifically designed to fight the Alliance. No need to update their ENTIRE navy at the same time. The Victoria Star Destroyed would have been better than throwing more ISD to be cut appart by bombers. And the already existing TIE Defender was the perfect thing for the job. The only reason this never happen is due to the fixation on the Tarkinton Doctrine and Palpatine preferring to waste resources on things like the Death Stars and the Executor.
Moncalimari dreadnaught name (suggestion) for a Dreadnaught pre BBY- Greatwhite . ABBY-the nurse shark!
Space boat go vroom
Here's my guess before watching the video: the Mon Calamari didn't like the Empire and refused to sell and build ships for the Empire
Actually its kinda opposite :D palpy and empire was too xenophobic
I just want to make a correction to the comparison at 6:30, the United States spends way more than just 10% of it's budget on the military, unless you were talking about a specific branch of the military.
Actually it only spends about 15 max, we are just very rich.
@@sparta2705 Can you show me where the 15% comes from? Because all I've seen is that we spend 50% of the national budget on the military (or armed forces to be more precise) or around 3.25% of our gdp.
@@BungLer I was taught 15 percent in my economics class. I can recheck, that was a few years ago.
@@sparta2705 I never took economics, but I have done some mild research into the topic on more than one occasion and what I've seen is a lot of charts showing that 50% of the national budget or about 770 billion dollars go into the armed forces. Again, I never took economics so my understanding of it might be flawed.
Combine the firepower of an imperial-class star destroyer, with the durability, and shielding, and redundancy measures of a mon calamari cruiser.
What game footage is used starting at 2:30?
i thought the moncal thing was making cruise liners and other civilian ships, and the combat cruiser version was a refit (albeit one that the cruise ships were built to accommodate) not only that, but imperial acquisition works by a competition system similarly to america, so why would the imperials adopt a ship from shipyards known for cruise ships or civilian use vessels that not only were not known for many miltech designs but also never summit a vehicle into the trials for adoption, like we see in the EU that the TIE bomber won over the skipray because of part commonality and familiarity with the manufacturer its like asking why America never adopted the Leclerc or why germany never adopted the bradley
Kind of weird you didn't mention the Pellaeon-class and Imperious-class in this.
Anybody know where all that awesome space battle footage came from? Is that from Battlefront II? Or trailers for a new game that hasn't come put?
I believe it's a project eck worked on.
No, the backbone is the Starfighters (sadly enough, because frankly the Empire could have shut that down easily! Lancer-Class Frigates (even Wedge Antilles, probably the best pilot in the Alliance after Luke, feared those for a reason!) to escort ISDs and guard important facilities and either gunboats and/or converted light freighters as fighter-destroyers (that can in a pinch even serve as bombers, to attack larger ships!))
I've a question its most likely answered in non-cannon sources but in cannon at least, why are the mon cal cruisers considered so venerable?
To me a star trek fan they seem to have the same status as The Enterprise or Defiant, can someone explain?
Mon Cala ships have large numbers of shield generators instead of one large shield generator so they had fast recharging shields. They didn't have the firepower of their enemies but had more than enough durability.
@@denniswingo2004 ah primary and secondary shield grids and cause they were under-water cities and having to deal with the weather they'd have to be sturdy.
They are the first ship rhe revels have to challenge a Star Destroyer and can win. Not as many guns but durable enough to out last one
Well that's a dumb question.
1 The Mon Cal didn't like the Empire.
2 KDY already had in roads through public reputation and probably some corruption.
3 The Empire was human supremacist. No way would they allow an alien species to be the main shipwrights for the most prominent symbol of imperial might.
4 The Mon Cala didn't exactly vibe with how the Empire liked its capital ships.
5 The Mon Cala probably lacked the resources to fully sate the Empire's appetite for force projection.
5. Is debatable. Plus couldn't the Empire just supply Dac with the resources needed for ship production?
@@pepperedash4424 Well KDY already had shipyards that could crank out Venators, so they still lacked the established infrastructure.
@@bthsr7113 Dac had plenty established infrastructure, just that their undersea infrastructure wouldn't have bode well with the Empire's hands on management.
Could the Flood defeat and conquer the verses of the big 3? (Naruto, Bleach and One Piece)
I think it is a very interesting concept to think about.
Because the cost to refit them for human crew would be insane, especially with everyone tacking on bogus charges to make up for the fact that it all smells like fish.
One reason the Empire may not have wanted to commit the resources to conquer Mon Calamari was because having a Rebel Alliance with actual capital ships made it even easier to justify the hyper-militarization that Palpatine was putting the Empire through.
What game is being used at 2min 30sec?
At 1:44 what is this from? What game?
Those really are some ludicrous numbers, at first I shrugged it off and thought "the US spends twice as much as a percentage on its military vs the New Republic" but no, that's 5% on a ONE military contract. That's like the US spending half its military budget just to build A10 Warthogs. I don't know what the actual numbers are with these contracts but that seems crazy
There’s two answers for this question
1. In old lore the Mon Cal system wasn’t part of the Republic and lay beyond the rim at the edge of known space. When discovered, imperials tried to conquer the system but were beaten back. The Mon Cals were apart of the rebel alliance from there on
2. New lore…
No fucking idea….
6:59 from which game is this scene?
I was at the bridge scenes on the mon calamari ships are unrealistic because I would think that in the bridge area the Montgomery ship would have been you know flooded I mean ostensibly they aren't flooded for the benefit of humans and other aliens who breathe there but it seems like to get the best efficiency out of a man calamari dominant crew you would want their work areas to be underwater since they are fish right
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The fact that all Mon Calamari cruisers are unique would be a NIGHTMARE for military logistics for the Empire. Imagine trying to support hundreds or thousands of unique warships.
Simple: Round curves don't fit with the Empire's brutalist aesthetic. They wouldn't exactly stike fear like a 1 mile long wedge of durasteel.
The ruson (?) reformation sounds very similar to the Washington naval treaty
I can sum this entire thing up in one sentence: Mon Calamari Cruisers were Cruise Liners which were retrofitted.
in Legends it was assumed Ackbar wanted Wedge to take over as head of fleet when he retired, but was there anyone else he was thinking of that he could trust?
day 2 of asking, Csaplar-class chiss dreadnaught vs a mon cal mc80 or ISD
If Palatine could have gone back, he would have first put safety rails in his throne room, and perhaps a grate over the shaft.
This question is similar to why the Empire didn't continue to use Incom starfighters
Why mon calamari were not primary death Star target?
There's a much better explanation for them in the old Extended Universe which is they are essentially retrofitted cruise liners.
Like putting a few big guns and some anti air batteries on the titanic.
The rebels or rebel aligned powers simply wouldn't have shipyards. The Empire would have never allowed Mon Calamari to continue building actual capital ships.
Honestly, the Emperor, and subsequently the empire, were xenophobic. The clone armies were humans, and the empire only recruited or drafted humans into its military service after the clone wars. They really only used aliens like bounty hunters or inquisitors to get the dirty work done that they didn’t want to do themselves. Thus, they designed all of their ships and other military equipment for themselves. Also, if I’m not mistaken, the Mon Calamari ships were actually giant underwater structures built as part of their cities that were transformed into spaceships so I doubt humans would find there ships useful without a major overhaul. Plus, star destroyers look the part they needed to play lol.
It needs to be pointy because pointy is scary -Wilhuff Tarkin
What kind of question is this? Why would they? They built their own ships
Boiling Mon Cal would have decimated the sea food industry of the Empire.
6:34 The U.S. spent 3.7412% of GDP for the military in 2020. The last time it was any where near 10% was 1968.