For all of you that says it's illegal now: When Waldner played it wasn't illegal, so technically it's the same for every player that played during his time.
in this time you can do this ..under the arm ... you cant see what coming ..i do this in this time too !!! but the regular changed ..and than its illegal when you do this ... more time later you can play with vh and RH in red ... and stampfen dazu ...nobody see and heard what comeing ... (one side with long noppen)
Not just his serves... He could literally block down most/many players, drive-block on his BH for outright winners off the other guy's loop... very under-rated part of his game.
Jan Ove Waldner has inspired me since I was a kid... he has and always will be the BEST OF TABLE TENNIS... I would love just to see him play... he has the BEST SERVE AND GAME OF ALL TIME!
He was the best table tennis player of his era and probably the third or fourth best player in the history of table tennis if you look at achievements. I think third best.
Why? All it did was make the serve a less viable option in a game scenario. You can literally see what kind of spin is on the ball every time if you have a good eye and a good receive. Not so fun if you ask me...
The greatest server, and one of the top 5 players, IMO, of all time. You cannot name one player the best as you cannot compare different eras. Waldner's numbers (match wins) over the years were incredible.
wow he serves under his own arm to disguise which way the ball is going to go and what kind of spin he gonna put on it, than completely abandons this technique to confuse them, and he does it so perfectly
@@ermattia Service can not be hidden, must be visible to the opponent at all times. Rule was changed in 2003, before then you can hide it how ever you want.
How we like to see today in day this kind of moves which today already are not made- Waldner gave table tennis that shine and brilliance that only the loved to do, and displays today continues to do them and everyone applauds! It is fantastic I personally try to imitate some things, but clearly the has a unique talent. And it also has a sense of humor that today is strange. Only have reached that level of humor lately Chuan Chi Yuan and Jean Michel Saive.
there are very good players. wang liqin, ma long, zhang jike, timo, and some others. but no one is as genius as waldenr. he is uniqe in the hsitory of tt.
J-O Waldner, best swedish table tennis-player that have been existed. Well, according to his accomplishments, he is one of the best. He should be amongst the top 10 in the world. I mean look at it. Swedish championships, gold medals and silver medals only from 1988-2010. That says alot. And yeah, most gold then silver during the time. That means, he was good even if the "hide the ball"-shit services was illegal in the sports. So nope, it was not his services that was his biggest weapon. It was his skills. Period.
If you look at achievements, he is the third or fourth best player of all time in table tennis. I think the third best. Anyway, he is the only European in the top 5 best of all time.
Jan Ove Waldner one of the world's greatest table tennis Players. Certainly the best player from Sweden. Great strategist, tactician, and maestro of the game.
Jan Ove Waldner represents the rise and fall of the dominance of the Swedish men table tennis team. He was the man leading the Swedish men table tennis team to win the gold medals of Men's team event of World Table Tennis Championship in 1989, 1991, 1993 and 2000 (the only other time Sweden winning the gold mdeal of men's team event of World Table Tennis Championship was 1973). He is the last Swedish to win men's single world title in world table tennis Championship in 1997.
The good old times. When the ball was smaller and spin played an important role. When TT was played from hand and arm because the floor was slippery, sometimes wood, and you could not jump around like today. When players had to combine brain and decent physics. When, unfortunately, the game was mostly hidden from the spectators. Nowadays, it’s pure athletics but, yes, for the regular audience it looks more spectacular.
in this time you can do this ..under the arm ... you cant see what coming ..i do this in this time too !!! but the regular changed ..and than its illegal when you do this ... more time later you can play with vh and RH in red ... and stampfen dazu ...nobody see and heard what comeing ... (one side with long noppen)
These clips make me realize that JOW isn't as much "the master of placement" as that he just looks that way because he's "The master of deceptive telegraphs"; he has this way of making you think that he's going to place the ball at one place by looking at place and moving in a certain way while in reality aiming for another place; he does this a lot in rallies too where the balls goes to a different direction you expect it to go to.
@@hanshuang6438 He lost to Chiang Peng.Waldner even at 36 still won all his matches in Teams whereas LGL warmed the bench after losing to a Dutch lefty who was ranked 150 in the World.
I miss when we could serve under our arm like this. It looked so cool and set up all kinds of crazy possibilities. If you ask me Table Tennis started going straight to hell with the 11 pt games and the nerfed serve rules. I got on board with the 40mm ball because even though it was awkward at first, you did have a lot more control eventually. But yeah, Table Tennis pre 2000 was the best. I haven't played in 5 years, so I guess....they have different materials for the ball now? And it feels different?
The era when hiding the serve was legal. It would have been easier for the opponents to pick these serves at present time. You can see the videos of Ma Long doing the same in serve without hiding it.
He was the complete package, not just serve. Defense, offensive, ball placement and innovative, always keeping the opponent guessing. th-cam.com/video/8mHi3YvhCD4/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/Ve0SAEDb9SA/w-d-xo.html
dudes, you obviously dont know the rules back then. Hidden services were allowed everybody did that, its just that servers like waldner ma lin or liu guoliang had much more fantasy and creativity. Schlager also!
Gatien, lindh, Legout, Ding Yi and rosskopf were all players that were hiding the serves as much as Waldner. Waldner is the king of service because he was always variating his with a lot of topspin or with a lot of backspin while he made it look like it was the opposite spin
before the new service rules went into affect a few yrs ago you used to be able to hide the point of contact...when the ball hit your paddle during a serve....and by not seeing the point of contact it was harder for the receiver to read the spin...since he never got to see what spin was imparted on the ball
Sorry I dont know much about table tennis, but why dont his opponents stand in the middle of the table to defend his possible services on the other side?
Micheal Maze no way...I will include Schlager...Yoshimura and Par Gerrel have some tricky serves too (without going into the controversy about the legalities).
Miss old TT, I stopped watching it after they killed the craft by nerfing the rules to try and make it more rallies. Any proper fan would still enjoy the art, pongers just need to accept it's not going to be more popular outside of Asia whatever they do - people turned off by serving skill and the mental side of the game should go and play crown green bowling or darts. Same happened in Tennis making balls heavier, less pressure, bigger. I still enjoy hidden serves playing with friends and it's where the fun is.
Since the winning points of the set have been reduced to 11 from 21 I think that it the best call ittf could take by making these services illegal.Losing some points from serves back then is not the same as now with the 11 points required.
Same. It's like it's not the same game anymore. It doesn't feel the same. :( They should do it like racing. Different classes of car racing. GT2, LMP1 class of cars, open wheelers.
It really did. The 40mm ball change was the only one I could have gotten behind as it slowed down the game a bit and allowed for longer rallies. But the point system and service rules should have been left alone.
going from the 21 point game down to 11 point game was one thing, then the 40 mm ball to slow down the sport some, REALLY !? which didn't help at all with the introduction of carbon fiber blades !! BUT to take away the hidden serve......... C'MON guy's, you took away the mystic and the magic and AWE of the sport ! you might as well of CUT-OFF waldners arm ! IF IT AIN'T BROKE....DON'T FIX IT
Well, I think making it illegal to hide the contact of the serve a positive change. It gave rise to all several different kinds of receive techniques that would be impossible with the old rules. It forced players to be more creative with how they trick their opponents. While it may not be obvious to someone who doesn't know, but when you watch with knowledge of what the players are doing, it's entertaining and thought-provoking. Also , with the old rules, geniuses like shclager would never have been noticed as everyone had a cheat code for their serves.
Give you a list of all the world championships since 1981: 1981 China Guo Yuehua 1983 China Guo Yuehua 1985 China Jiang Jialiang 1987 China Jiang Jialiang 1989 non-China Jan-Ove Waldner 1991 non-China Jörgen Persson 1993 non-China Jean-Philippe Gatien 1995 China Kong Linghui 1997 non-China Jan-Ove Waldner 1999 China Liu Guoliang 2001 China Wang Liqin 2003 non-China Werner Schlager 2005 China Wang Liqin 2007 China Wang Liqin 2009 China Wang Hao 2011 China Zhang Jike 2013 China Zhang Jike 2015 China Ma Long In all 18 World championships, China won 13 championships. We never call ourselves kings though.
For all of you that says it's illegal now: When Waldner played it wasn't illegal, so technically it's the same for every player that played during his time.
Exactly
in this time you can do this ..under the arm ... you cant see what coming ..i do this in this time too !!! but the regular changed ..and than its illegal when you do this ... more time later you can play with vh and RH in red ... and stampfen dazu ...nobody see and heard what comeing ... (one side with long noppen)
Not just his serves... He could literally block down most/many players, drive-block on his BH for outright winners off the other guy's loop... very under-rated part of his game.
This guy literally got nerfed.
hahahaha
C-Moe Builds lol
Yep
Nerfed to the ground👎
Game dev note-
V 2.0: no hidden serves
Jan Ove Waldner has inspired me since I was a kid... he has and always will be the BEST OF TABLE TENNIS... I would love just to see him play... he has the BEST SERVE AND GAME OF ALL TIME!
He was the best table tennis player of his era and probably the third or fourth best player in the history of table tennis if you look at achievements. I think third best.
he is no. 1
@@Natureforce8 titles wise second only to Ma Long but ML had joke competition.
Amazing services. But to be honest, I'm glad these kinds of services(hidden services) are now illegal.
Why? All it did was make the serve a less viable option in a game scenario. You can literally see what kind of spin is on the ball every time if you have a good eye and a good receive. Not so fun if you ask me...
Xander Projections so you have an impressive eye and stunning spin effect reading skills.. and even a big audience has the same skills.. sure thing.
What is the problem, everyone could hide serve! Rules apply to everyone. 🙂
actually he is not hidin' he just fakin'
No that's a shame
The greatest server, and one of the top 5 players, IMO, of all time. You cannot name one player the best as you cannot compare different eras. Waldner's numbers (match wins) over the years were incredible.
You can. Waldner is the only player in the world whose every video is watched. Which other player can claim that?
He is nr 1 in history of all tennis player noone isnt even close, thats for sure.
wow he serves under his own arm to disguise which way the ball is going to go and what kind of spin he gonna put on it, than completely abandons this technique to confuse them, and he does it so perfectly
+vballmusicGod it's against the rules to do that now...i think.
+Allen X yes today its agains the rules
@@wambo6186 stop talking about today.Video was of waldners generation
He was so good that they changed the rules so the others would have a chance.
Which rule did they change?
Which rule???
@@ermattia Service can not be hidden, must be visible to the opponent at all times. Rule was changed in 2003, before then you can hide it how ever you want.
It's not a skill if you hide your serve
Waldner is my all time favorite player, but I'm agree. It's not fair to hide your service.
How we like to see today in day this kind of moves which today already are not made-
Waldner gave table tennis that shine and brilliance that only the loved to do, and displays today continues to do them and everyone applauds! It is fantastic I personally try to imitate some things, but clearly the has a unique talent. And it also has a sense of humor that today is strange. Only have reached that level of humor lately Chuan Chi Yuan and Jean Michel Saive.
This man is incredible! The best serve!
I wish more people would do Waldner serve compilations. I think they're amazing.
They are illegal now (you can't hide the ball with your body).
@@SylvainBerube literally takes a skill factor away. They were just much worse then him. And they couldnt handle it.
there are very good players. wang liqin, ma long, zhang jike, timo, and some others. but no one is as genius as waldenr. he is uniqe in the hsitory of tt.
When hiding the serve was legal...
Good or bad rule change?
Good
I think good
yeah
They made it illegal because of HIM
J-O Waldner, best swedish table tennis-player that have been existed. Well, according to his accomplishments, he is one of the best. He should be amongst the top 10 in the world. I mean look at it. Swedish championships, gold medals and silver medals only from 1988-2010. That says alot. And yeah, most gold then silver during the time. That means, he was good even if the "hide the ball"-shit services was illegal in the sports. So nope, it was not his services that was his biggest weapon. It was his skills. Period.
If you look at achievements, he is the third or fourth best player of all time in table tennis. I think the third best. Anyway, he is the only European in the top 5 best of all time.
gamerke X what about Timo Boll
@@jakeyn8301 not even close
Jan Ove Waldner one of the world's greatest table tennis Players. Certainly the best player from Sweden. Great strategist, tactician, and maestro of the game.
he will be always the king of service :D
Jan Ove Waldner represents the rise and fall of the dominance of the Swedish men table tennis team. He was the man leading the Swedish men table tennis team to win the gold medals of Men's team event of World Table Tennis Championship in 1989, 1991, 1993 and 2000 (the only other time Sweden winning the gold mdeal of men's team event of World Table Tennis Championship was 1973). He is the last Swedish to win men's single world title in world table tennis Championship in 1997.
Mmmm oki
Wouldn't call him the leader of the 1989 squad. Arguably that was Appelgren.
His service and blocking skills were second to none.
One word,, amazing..
The good old times. When the ball was smaller and spin played an important role. When TT was played from hand and arm because the floor was slippery, sometimes wood, and you could not jump around like today. When players had to combine brain and decent physics. When, unfortunately, the game was mostly hidden from the spectators. Nowadays, it’s pure athletics but, yes, for the regular audience it looks more spectacular.
Banana flicking every serve doesn't look spectacular and certainly doesn't take much athleticism otherwise Harimoto wouldn't be a master at 14yo .
in this time you can do this ..under the arm ... you cant see what coming ..i do this in this time too !!! but the regular changed ..and than its illegal when you do this ... more time later you can play with vh and RH in red ... and stampfen dazu ...nobody see and heard what comeing ... (one side with long noppen)
These clips make me realize that JOW isn't as much "the master of placement" as that he just looks that way because he's "The master of deceptive telegraphs"; he has this way of making you think that he's going to place the ball at one place by looking at place and moving in a certain way while in reality aiming for another place; he does this a lot in rallies too where the balls goes to a different direction you expect it to go to.
1:24 scorer's face = my face when I see in Waldner in person.
wtf watching in 2018 still worth it
not gonna lie this serve is insane
Ce ga est une légende ! Il voit des choses qu’on ne voit pas
They all just got "served" by God!
pbsmick hell yeah
They were before the hidden serve is illegal
He is the reason why this type of service got banned... #legend
LGL is
@@hanshuang6438 LGL lost to nobodies in the 2001 WTTC while the old serve rules were stil in effect.
@@dickn.ormous1064 So the bronze medal winner of 2001 WTTC is nobody. How interesting.
@@dickn.ormous1064 Also I wonder how would you comment on the fact that Waldner didn't even reach as far as LGL in 2001 WTTC?
@@hanshuang6438 He lost to Chiang Peng.Waldner even at 36 still won all his matches in Teams whereas LGL warmed the bench after losing to a Dutch lefty who was ranked 150 in the World.
Follow JO Waldner since his Olimpik vs France player during 1980's.
The original "You got Served"
I miss when we could serve under our arm like this. It looked so cool and set up all kinds of crazy possibilities. If you ask me Table Tennis started going straight to hell with the 11 pt games and the nerfed serve rules. I got on board with the 40mm ball because even though it was awkward at first, you did have a lot more control eventually. But yeah, Table Tennis pre 2000 was the best. I haven't played in 5 years, so I guess....they have different materials for the ball now? And it feels different?
Now it's all about being the best robot.
Did not know him before, but I found my services technique and servicing to corners and edges like him, although I am not so good spinning.
^^ everyone struggle like there's no tomorrow and Jan Ove Waldner played like it's a walk in the park...what a rascal, but in a good way... XD 😉👍
The era when hiding the serve was legal. It would have been easier for the opponents to pick these serves at present time.
You can see the videos of Ma Long doing the same in serve without hiding it.
He was the complete package, not just serve.
Defense, offensive, ball placement and innovative, always keeping the opponent guessing.
th-cam.com/video/8mHi3YvhCD4/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Ve0SAEDb9SA/w-d-xo.html
Happy to serve
The best there was, the best that is ever going to be.
King Of Table Tennis!
GENIUS!
c'est un des seul aux monde voir le seul a faire des aces en quantité c"est un génie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, basicly hes faking a diagonal serve by instead hitting the ball under his arm with the same techique.
2:48 was this like the first GoPro or something? Neat shot for the era.
Very fast ,well done
He is so cool
Respect...
dudes, you obviously dont know the rules back then. Hidden services were allowed everybody did that, its just that servers like waldner ma lin or liu guoliang had much more fantasy and creativity. Schlager also!
Extremly hidden services!
they are correct tho
in those times this was legal to serve like this.
im aware of that Marshall17101972 ;)
Gatien, lindh, Legout, Ding Yi and rosskopf were all players that were hiding the serves as much as Waldner. Waldner is the king of service because he was always variating his with a lot of topspin or with a lot of backspin while he made it look like it was the opposite spin
M Tordas ikr i mean look at 2:19!
What i find amazing is his calm hiding an inferno ! Waldner body language should be studied in depth ...a lot to learn .
even i
f it's not hidden it's hard to read
seems like he blocks view of ball when serving. The ball drops behind his non serving arm. Anyone have any input on this?
what a service
the ever green tree :-)
卓球の神🐱✨
Why was he so strong?
I think many people who don't know table tennis well couldn't understand the reason .
strong? it is about skill and technique
much more than beautiful....
Excelebt!!!!
hidden service rules... can you share some more light on it !!!
Ujjval Verma In the old table tennis times, this was legal. But yeah, you're right.
before the new service rules went into affect a few yrs ago you used to be able to hide the point of contact...when the ball hit your paddle during a serve....and by not seeing the point of contact it was harder for the receiver to read the spin...since he never got to see what spin was imparted on the ball
não é proibido esconder a bolinha do adversário ?
in table tennis is not wrong keep the ball ?
Essa regra é mais recente que os videos mostrados.
Before you can hide the way you serve.. Now they changed it so that you cant
Sorry I dont know much about table tennis, but why dont his opponents stand in the middle of the table to defend his possible services on the other side?
so the opponent has more space to play a forehand on the open part of the table
Liu Guoliang todas esas partidas el las devolvía y además con remache
Master of service
J o waldner
Michael maze
Ma lin
Kenta matsuidara
And the girl player is din ning
This my opinion, and your opinion..?
Micheal Maze no way...I will include Schlager...Yoshimura and Par Gerrel have some tricky serves too (without going into the controversy about the legalities).
Kentas serve is not that deceiving i think. It just looks flashy. Yoshimura is indeed a good contender and I think Dimas serve is also really tricky
@@FBR2169 yeah Dima's serves too. In particular, his BH serves are very deceptive with amazing variety in spin, speed, length and placement.
Miss old TT, I stopped watching it after they killed the craft by nerfing the rules to try and make it more rallies. Any proper fan would still enjoy the art, pongers just need to accept it's not going to be more popular outside of Asia whatever they do - people turned off by serving skill and the mental side of the game should go and play crown green bowling or darts. Same happened in Tennis making balls heavier, less pressure, bigger. I still enjoy hidden serves playing with friends and it's where the fun is.
2:21 oh wow!
I don't know much about tt but dont you have to serve onto the exact opposite side of the derver
Server*
nope
it isnt like tennis
Since the winning points of the set have been reduced to 11 from 21 I think that it the best call ittf could take by making these services illegal.Losing some points from serves back then is not the same as now with the 11 points required.
Agree with you 100%
wouldn't the serve on the 35 second illegal? he was covering the ball with his left hand.
He Is realtà Grest player!
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大好き！ワルドナー😍
Please slow motion videos
you cant serve like this anymore..
Allen Han So?... You could when he was doin't And he was the best at it
Allen Han why???????
The Rules dident have anyting against his way of serve when he played
elphue s. And he stopped play before that rule came
+ZimowHD he still played while the serve rule was banned. he still played pretty well.
Magic Hand ❤❤❤ my Steel the Best forever
why illegal? the oppenent can do it too....its just about the skill. if both side can do it , why not"?
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!
That time these serves were legal but these days they aren't anymore.
Mah point.
I lost count of how many serves he uses
Good receive block and topspin
how pitiful that these kinds of service are banned nowadays....
is protecting those who cannot read the serve really that desirable?
38㎜ボールでの21点制でサービス5本交代でハイドサーブがありな卓球がラージボールみたいな別の種目で復活して欲しいな。
Same. It's like it's not the same game anymore. It doesn't feel the same. :(
They should do it like racing. Different classes of car racing. GT2, LMP1 class of cars, open wheelers.
Ha,ha it was only Jörgen Persson who smiling when he was out of space.
Very god your serve
Claramente o braço encobrindo a visão (0:43) dificulta que o adversário perceba a tempo em que direção vai a bola.
Na época dele era legal, esconder o saque se tornou ilegal por conta de waldner
Bester Spieler aller Zeiten!
Ahaha 2:37, anyone notice the man in the yellow top in the crowd, just above Waldner worshipping him!
Now Sweden have SILVER in WM 2019!
FALCK!
When they changed the rule it killed the game. 3:00 mark is my favorite.
It really did. The 40mm ball change was the only one I could have gotten behind as it slowed down the game a bit and allowed for longer rallies. But the point system and service rules should have been left alone.
Isn’t the serve at 0:56 illegal because of the arm
Not back then
Mozart
Hoje em dia sim, a regra mudou em 2000 eu acho
I forgot this was an old video and got confused at 0:23 when the score was 19 to 10
WOW
Its good that you cant hide your serve anymore
If you ever wondered why you need remove your throwing hand such that it doesn't obscure the impact point, this is why
Mozart! ❤️💯
going from the 21 point game down to 11 point game was one thing, then the 40 mm ball to slow down the sport some, REALLY !? which didn't help at all with the introduction of carbon fiber blades !! BUT to take away the hidden serve......... C'MON guy's, you took away the mystic and the magic and AWE of the sport ! you might as well of CUT-OFF waldners arm ! IF IT AIN'T BROKE....DON'T FIX IT
joseph robinson All positive changes IMO
Well, I think making it illegal to hide the contact of the serve a positive change.
It gave rise to all several different kinds of receive techniques that would be impossible with the old rules.
It forced players to be more creative with how they trick their opponents. While it may not be obvious to someone who doesn't know, but when you watch with knowledge of what the players are doing, it's entertaining and thought-provoking.
Also , with the old rules, geniuses like shclager would never have been noticed as everyone had a cheat code for their serves.
I played after all these changes. I really want to know how the "old" table tennis feels like. Especially with the old 38mm balls.
Waldner is GOD...
Yap!
table-tennis_israel Well, Roger Federer also... that makes 2 Gods...
rired2005 Hhhhhh yea
Give you a list of all the world championships since 1981:
1981 China Guo Yuehua
1983 China Guo Yuehua
1985 China Jiang Jialiang
1987 China Jiang Jialiang
1989 non-China Jan-Ove Waldner
1991 non-China Jörgen Persson
1993 non-China Jean-Philippe Gatien
1995 China Kong Linghui
1997 non-China Jan-Ove Waldner
1999 China Liu Guoliang
2001 China Wang Liqin
2003 non-China Werner Schlager
2005 China Wang Liqin
2007 China Wang Liqin
2009 China Wang Hao
2011 China Zhang Jike
2013 China Zhang Jike
2015 China Ma Long
In all 18 World championships, China won 13 championships. We never call ourselves kings though.
who would you consider better out of waldner or Ma long
Waldner is the best 'gweilo' to have ever played the game.
Why didnt the others just do the same instead of QQ and make rules changed ?
Iunno how I got here, but these serves make me sick. What a player.
Why he hiding the ball? Is it illegal
No by that time
serves not allowed today;(
Many a times he used to hide point of contact behind his left hand