Addressing the Alleged Switch/Wii U Hypocrisy
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I think people are still missing my point. What I'm trying to say is that there's a difference between a system having good games, and having ENOUGH good games to BUY. Yes, the Wii U had good games. But very few people felt that there were enough of them to plunk money down on the system. That's why people wanting Wii U games on Switch is perfectly reasonable. Plenty of people looked at a lot of those titles the first time around and thought, "I'd love to play these, but not enough to buy a Wii U." Now that they've got Switches (because again, it's just a better system) you bet your bippy they want everything in the world ported over to it. That's not wrong.
Arlo, you are probably the most reasonable Nintendo TH-camr that I have seen on this site. Thank you for providing quality content and congrats on the 250k subs.
My bippy has been bet
The issue with the "release schedule" point is that the games actually had to be developed from the ground up for Wii U and the Switch ports only took a couple months of tweaking. Regardless of who has or hasn't played them, ports are not completely new content. It seems by now that you and a number of other people caught up in the Switch hype are praising everything Nintendo does as gospel, discounting the fact that for those who actually bought Wii Us and most of the major releases, there are only about three or four worthwhile Nintendo games per year (Breath of the Wild, ARMS, Splatoon 2, and Mario Odyssey last year, with Mario + Rabbids and Xenoblade Chronicles 2 being dumbed-down SRPGs and ARPGs respectively, and Metroid Prime 4, Smash Switch, and Pokemon Switch / the Let's Go games this yead, with Kirby Star Allies being a game that, in your own words, "plays itself"). We all know you're going to mention whatever vitriol was thrown your way in the next video, but consider for once that Nintendo and the Switch are not perfect.
I liked the WiiU. Personally I really enjoyed my time with it, sure it had some not so good, but there were good ones, but there many great games. So put those games on a much more powerful system along with other great games. It just makes sense.
Nat K
Its matter that it was slow because that was all the wii u games spread throughout it’s lifetime. On the switch, there are most of the wii u games in the first year, with many more to come, BECAUSE IT IS ONLY ITS FIRST YEAR
"Let's complain about people complaining on the internet on the internet"
That's the best quote of all time.
Tarlo The Boar the more you know
Let's complain on the internet about people complaining on the internet about people complaining on the internet
@@ladymarcy7830 that was the correct quote I’m pretty sure
"Holy pants"
I'm sorry, Arlo, but I can't condone this kind of language. Unsubscribed and reported.
IDIOOT HE DID IT ON ACIDDENT
Askale Worku r/whoosh
GreatSpaceToaster LOL I POSTED A COMMENT JUST LIKE THIS FIVE SECONDS AGO HAHA
I PROMISE I WASNT TRYING TO COPY YOUR COMMENT
What
@@banancorn9894 bird
"Mario Kart and Smash are system sellers."
It literally took those 2 games for me to buy one, so 100% correct.
I got mario odyssey and pokemon let's go pikachu when I got my switch Christmas of 2018, then a few days later I got smash ultimate from my grandma, then in january I got breath of the wild and minecraft, then i got mario maker 2 at launch, then I got pokemon sword for Christmas of 2019, then with money I got on Christmas I got splatoon 2 and puyo puyo tetris, then I pre ordered animal crossing and got it at launch, my dad had to pick it up because quarantine, and he was at work but he got it on his lunch break and brought it to me really quick, he got laid off that afternoon, he got a job toward late may/early june so it's all good now.
@@mouthshovel I should have clarified... Took those 2 for me to buy a Wii U
@@disillutmusic oof, I got Mario maker Christmas of 2015, then it's all kind of a blur until Christmas of 2017 when I got smash, then I got nintendo land later for like 3 bucks, then my dad got breath of the wild for like 10 bucks because he didn't want to always be on my switch to the point of it being annoying
True. Literally Smash was the reason why I wanted and eventually got both a Wii U and Switch. I do hope though we get an original Mario Kart on the system. 8 Deluxe is great, but it would be really disappointing if it was the only Mario Kart on the system.
Let's be honest here, while we can all agree that the Wii U was *NOWHERE* near as successful as the Switch, we can also all agree on one thing:
Without the Wii U, our dear and beloved Switch probably wouldn't exist
So what's the point?
That's is the most non point anyone has ever said. That can be said of any of Nintendos past consoles. Other than the fact that the switch looks like the Wii u game pad, it far more similar to a game boy than a Wii u.
What he means is the Wii U's failure helped Nintendo learn from their mistakes and make it right with the Switch.
stephen flesch other then the fact that the switch looks like a gamepad, what about it is actually similar to the wiiu? Honestly, it's just a super mega Gameboy advance plus wii, it really isn't at all similar to the Wii u, their is no duel screen gameplay at all.
TheEpere15 Actually, Nintendo stated that the Wii U was a large influence on the Switch, largely by pioneering features that were refined with the Switch. Basically, the Switch is an improved Wii U of sorts.
The Switch is the WiiU (and the Vita) fully realized.
artboy598 severely underrated comment. Here, catch this thumbs up 👍
artboy598 two failed consoles combined into one console
Iliass El Hani and it fucking succeeded
HOW!
Yeah, when I first saw the wii u I thought it was portable. The switch is pretty much my expectations from the wii u, mixed with cool design, good commercial, and some wonderful games sprinkled on top.
Dicc Chocolate Because negative times negative equals positive. It's basic maths
Come on guys the virtual boy had Mario tennis and now the switch is going to have Mario tennis. It’s basically the same thing. I don’t know why people think the switch is so great if the virtual boy was basically the same thing years ago.
you ruined your joke. it would've been pretty decent.
Lol true
Dumbass.
@@Sharpteeth32 r/woooooosh
George Wroolie r/ whoosh
The Wii U wasn’t a terrible system, it just wasn’t marketed right. I didn’t even know it existed until it showed up at a game stop store. The switch was the complete opposite, Nintendo made sure we knew it was coming.
I genuinely thought the Wii U was an add on to the wii and was just the tablet for YEARS
I too once was confused if the Wii U was an add-on but I've however looked it up on Google and right away found out that it's really a console after all.
Yeah switch basically copied some games from wii u like new super mario bros u/new super luigi u ended in failure in switch bc eady mode in 4 playerd like wt captain toad treasure tracker just is same story but just atleast they made 1 more game mode seriously
How are you guys confused about it? It’s clearly a new console, the box shows a console.
@@andreasparnamets9150 New Super Mario Bros U/New Super Luigi U ended in failure on Switch? Dude, you haven't looked at the sales numbers, have you?
you maybe meant that Breath of the wild was the last BREATH of the wiiu
Carlos Daniel Lopez Romero :0
Oooh this aged horribly
3 videos this week?! Arlo, you're spoiling us.
actually 4 in a week. Holy pants
MrGuy Holy pants*
Storm lol (also nice verification badge)
In a row as well!
I like to be spoiled
I’m gonna start using “it really drops my burrito” in day to day conversation
I feel like “drops my ice cream” would be good too lol
I'm gonna use "it really eats my lunch"
Wii U: Here's what I have that you don't, Reverse Compatibility with Wii games, Free Online service, and Virtual Console
Switch: Well I still sold better
Wii U: *O O F*
I forgot I made this comment, cringe
Only real issue I had with the Wii U is I had no idea it was out for over half a year in 2013 (when it came out in 2012).
In 2017 I knew the switch was out
Whatever marketing changes they made must have worked
@Fartimations I can agree with everything except the dropping comment. My brother has dropped his switch like 50 times on cement floors from 5 feet off the ground and it still works fine. Not to mention all those drop-test TH-cam videos that show the same thing. The rest of your comment is still valid, I just wanted to point out that durability is something at least our Switches possess.
I would say free online services because every newer console can connect to wi fi but only some have free multiplayer for online
@Jo Ko except for the online ecosystem
SPY
I enjoyed my Wii U very muchl. The games that it did have were really awesome. The problem was it took the Wii U's entire lifetime to get all those games where the Switch got them all & more in its first year.
As a Wii U owner, the switch feels super dry because I already own all of these ports. Another case could be made that all these ports are turning off customers who already own these games, and I paid less than what they're trying to sell them for.
I think Wii U was great concept on paper but fell on its face. Nintendo said oops and didn’t even support it well enough to earn hype. Switch is like the Wii U done right. Nintendo will hopefully learn its lesson and never call a new gen home console basically the same name as previous gen.
Dale Stoddard I understand that and agree to a certain extent, however the portion of wiiu owners who own switches is much less than new buyers, so the benefit of porting games from the wiiu to the switch outweighs those costs. The real issue is the pricing of some of these ports. MK8 should not be $60 for an added battle mode. Tropical Freeze should not be $60 for the same game that was $50 on the wiiu with nothing added but a Funky Kong easy mode. That being said, I wouldn't blame wiiu owners for holding out on buying a switch right now and jumping in later down the line when more original games are available
Actually MK8D is worth the $60 because it has a new battle mode, everything is unlocked from the start except kart parts, title screens, and Gold Mario, new characters, new kart parts, double items, includes all the DLC from the original, and new items.
+Dale Stoddard
As a Wii U owner, I couldn't disagree more. Yeah, you already own a chunk of the Switch library on another system. But there are *millions* of gamers who never bought a Wii U but would like to maybe get a chance to play some of the Wii U's excellent library. And on top of all that, Switch's portability makes even the ports more tempting. Hyrule Warriors and Smash Bros on the go without being handicapped by the 3DS hardware? Sounds great to me.
“It literally drops my burrito”
This is why I subbed to you
just looking back on this in 2019 is crazy. there are so many great games coming that this point that this whole thing is ridiculous.
And they were original games not ports
And the switch 3rd party support, while still lacking somewhat, is leagues better than the WiiUs
You will find Hypocrites everywhere, I doubt it's Nintendo specific.
Humans are hypocrites.
@@jonathanwilson7949 Okay.
*Fun fact*
At the time
Mario kart 8 on the WII U ended up selling more copies than the ps4s best selling game (Which was killzone shadow fall at the time)
The Boss Stage1 lol ps4 has sold more than the switch and Wii U idiot
Ian Andersen he was talking about the game, not the console
He was talking about Mario Kart selling more than PS4’s most popular game, not the console. Learn to read, idiot.
I know but I was proving a point):. Ps4 will outsell the switch and Wii U combined , sad but true
You do realize PS4 has been around longer than the Switch, right?
It weird how Nintendo fans are usually the focus of these things. No one really talks about ports and remasters for other systems and seem to be perfectly fine transitioning to the next generation
Super Nicktendo that is actually a very good point.
Most of the people that I see complaining about the Switch's ports aren't Nintendo fans, and use it as a "argument" to say the Switch's library is somehow bad.
Bobby Ace yeah it wasn't a dig on Nintendo. It seems like people need to take something popular down a peg to make themselves feel better instead of providing valid criticism.
Super Nicktendo Very valid, just like the other guys.
Parallel Ender ports and remasters are one thing, but the image Arlo is talking about doesn't really count to me as a valid criticism. Sorry if it came off that I was giving the switch a pass for having ports.
Smash ultimate is very different from smash 4 . Smash ultimate is not a port
deathshadow551 We know that now, but this was just before the E3 2018 Direct, and we knew nothing about the game except that it existed and would be released in 2018.
The video was made long before smash 4 was even revealed
Every Smash game is very different from the last
THANK YOU. An argument I hear way too often is something along these lines where people just generalise without actually taking in multiple factors into account. Like, when fans ask for something new for example, Nintendo could very well deliver that... but what they deliver might not be that good, so fans say "Yeah, okay but not like this" and people instantly point the finger going "HA! BUT YOU JUST SAID THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED!!".
Like yeah, specifics are important for crying out loud. Don't generalise just because you want to make a very vague point. Individuals will want different things, and some individuals will want specific things from those different things.
Watch: The new one will be "Pokemon is finally on the Switch but fans are complaining lol"
(Just to be clear, I'm interested in the new Pokemon but I understand some people's concerns and it's nice to just listen to people sometimes)
Some time later: "Pokemon fans finally got their Gen 4 remakes they'd been begging for, but now they hate it? Wow what hypocrites trolololol" (real talk I actually kinda like the BDSP remakes tbh, but yeah, they really dropped the PokeBall on them "ba dum tss")
The Wii U had all those games come out super slowly. 'Twas a painful time.
Yeah, he said that.
Thats because switch has basically ports
Ports, to fill in gaps and let players who skipped the Wii U buy and play its games. We've already gotten Breath of the Wild, Mario Odyssey, Xeno 2, and Splatoon 2. We also have several major third party games (Mario & Rabbids, Doom) as well as more new IP games in the works (Metroid Prime 4, Pokemon, and Smash Switch, though this still has a tiny chance of being a port).
it was confirmed that Smash Switch is a new entry and not a port... but other than drastically changing the game, I don't see how it won't be a "basically a port" game. A few new characters, maybe bringing back transforming characters/swapping characters (Zelda and Pokemon Trainer) and altering some of the character's attacks, but it'll more or less be Smash 4 with a new coat of paint, right?
Because they had to develop them instead of just porting them over. It's an invalid point, because it's not technically "new" content beyond one or two marginal improvements.
I see so many people Every day that hate Nintendo simply because they really really dont want to seem childish. "That has bright colors and makes happy noises, I need to avoid it so my adult integrity isnt threatened."
Thats fine, to a point. I felt like that too a couple of years ago but then I realized that for me it was just a missguided thoughtprocess of thinking "im an adult now, i need to change my life" which led me to discard things that made me happy.
I think that Splatoon speedrunner whos name i forget is a good example. He's an architect as well as a speedrunner. Its all about balance.
And not all Nintendo games are as bright and colorful as they look for example majora’s mask
YES! Thank you, this weird Nintendo fun-hating mindset drives me freaking crazy all the time! If your idea of being an adult means not letting yourself enjoy the things you enjoy, then your definition of being an adult just plain stinks, and I'm sure you'll figure that out some day- and I hope by that time it's not too late for you.
Rickard Lejonhjärta “Critics who treat ‘adult’ as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves.” - CS Lewis
Rickard Lejonhjärta People spend a good portion of their late teens, early 20’s distancing them selves from their child selves, until at some point in their mid 20’s where they think “being an adult sucks, I’m going to embrace my inner child. I want nostalgia, I want magic again. 1 Nintendo console pleaseee!”
Yeah I want to play splatoon but every time I look at it I’m reminded that I’m probably going to play with a ton of elementary and middle schoolers. It doesn’t feel appropriate for me as a 20 year old. Because of that the only Nintendo games I play are generally RPGs or Melee typically because rpgs are single player and I can enjoy the game by myself and because Melee’s just a fun game once you get a grasp for its complex movement mechanics.
You can also point out that the image only shows us first party Nintendo games. The Wii U didn't have much third party support, but the Switch has tons of support with things like Doom, Spyro, The Witcher 3, Saints Row 3 & 4, Skyrim and Rocket League and so much more not to mention its still has big third party games on the way like Borderlands and Bioshock franchises. The Wii U never had this amount of options aside from its 1st party line-up because shortly after Wii U launched and didn't have the sales Nintendo wanted the third party companies backing the console jumped ship where the Switch is literally swimming in these non-exclusive games.
Arlo: When fans wants something new and Nintendo gives something new and fans hate it.
Me: SEGA knows how *THAT* feels.
When people say they want something new, they also want it to be satisfying and good. But those last 2 things should be obvious. Doing something new for the sake of newness is not the thing...
@@TheDeathmail yeah, sorry about that comment I made, I should've made it more specific.
Thanks for lesson! ☺
There's a similar problem with peoples' perception of the Sonic fanbase. Because it's so divided and segregated, people write everyone off as 'hypocrites' or being 'bipolar' because one side might become more vocal than the other at one point, and will therefore lead to confusion
5persondude have we been called hypercrits? I whole heartedly agree with your statement, I just don't remember being called out for being an hypercrit.
People complaining about other people's opinions don't understand why they have those opinions? I'M SHOCKED! It's almost as if these sorts of stupid disagreements could be solved by people actually listening to what others have to say!
I would have read your comment, but I'm far too busy typing out how stupid you are to actually read it. Man oh man are you stupid. Differing opinions!? Listening?! Forget that noise. I'd rather just assume you have a different thought than I do and immediately hate you for it.
SuperMarioT Sad state of mind we all have.
That tainted word. Opinion. Too convuluted for me.
Timothy McLean I actually deleted a comment of my own where I voiced my disinterest in the Captain Toad port, because someone thought I was "complaining" and threw a petty "FU" at me in the process. [Sarcasm] Oh, I can't voice my opinion of a port of a really good Wii U title, can't I? [Sarcasm ends] Well maybe if you understood my comment, Mr Dean Pan, maybe I wouldn't be so salty in the process. Maybe deleting that comment on GameXplain's upload of the Captain Toad Trailer was a mistake...
Timothy McLean You have a different opinion than me? *THAN YOURS IS COMPLETELY WORNG*
What console had meme run?
The wii u, you can’t tell me it had very little console sellers
"Drops my burrito? Eats my lunch?" I think you made some new expressions that I'll start using.
I don't think you can argue that the fan base is hypocritical, the majority of the Nintendo fan base enjoyed the wiiu we loved the wiiu. The fact that the wiiu was a failure is not an opinion it's fact. We can understand the wiiu's failure and the reasons for it but from what I can tell us Nintendo fans loved the wiiu. So how can we be hypocritical for liking the switch
Holy pants
E4 Wumbo I looked for this comment. Didn't take that long to find it
Language
Another inside joke!
Butternut squash?
Not anymore!
I’m sorry
Wubbidi Dubb No I’ll take a butternut squash
Hypersonicisawsome Too bad sucker
Some of these things age even better like Mario maker 2.
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@@ianeons9278 shut the fuck up. U don’t know what fascism means.
@@BigSmokeMUFC w h a t
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Breath Of The Wild is not a Wii U game that is also on Switch,
It’s a Switch game that is also on Wii U
AMysticSeer New Super Mario Bros U is a Wii U game thats also on Switch, but BOTW isn’t. BOTW is the biggest reason the Switch is a success
I think their main argument is that Nintendo fans shouldn't get more excited about a port of a game than the original production, and that too many people disregarded Wii U games as they came out then praised them once they were ports to the Switch.
While the frustration is arguably valid, the fact is that people were indeed excited for all those games, but couldn't play them because they were unwilling to purchase a Wii U, and correspondingly did not purchase the games and forgot about them for the most part. The sudden praise for these games is simply because they are now on a system people want to own. I at least am one of those people.
I still disagree. It was a slow trickle, but eventually it did have a dozen or more great games (even before Zelda) yet people still held onto the notion that "there's no good games". Because they couldn't possibly admit that argument didn't hold water anymore.
People kept saying, "I'll wait until Mario Kart" then "I'll wait until Smash" but never bothered. They just continued to move the goal post. Yet they're all over the Switch when ports of those *exact same games* came out, and all of the other games that released, that they said they would buy a Wii U for. They are indeed hypocrites.
I don't think anyone (including myself) is saying "the entire fan base" is hypocritical, that's absurd. But you can't deny there are a ton of people who said one thing, and did another, resulting them in being a hypocrite.
One of the reasons I don't want the new Smash Switch game to be a port.
I disagree with you. It is NOT a fact that the Wii U had many good games. In fact, I would claim quite the opposite. I think that Mario 3D World is hot garbage, there was no Metroid, no real animal crossing, star fox zero was awful at best, Zelda didn't come until the switch was out, etc. Also, smash was practically the same game as the 3ds version, but that one came out even earlier. The Wii U only has 3 games I would consider good: Pikmin 3, Tropical Freeze, and Mario Kart 8. 3 above average games is not good enough.
The Wii U is a failure in every aspect in my opinion. This comes from someone who owns both the Wii U and the Switch, and owns all of these games.
Listen, there are MILLIONS of more Switch owners than Wii U owners, and that number will only continue to grow. There are MILLIONS of people who have never played these Wii U games before, so of course there is a lot more hype surrounding them now than when they launched on the far less popular system. I get why you're upset, but it's not the Nintendo core fanbase who are hypocrites, it's just the more oblivious casuals and media who are really hyping these games up now
Really now? Is THAT why we're getting so many Wii U ports? Because they all sucked?
So because it wasn't exactly what you wanted, that makes it objective fact (or consensus) that it had no games?
These are all 80% and above (though two are technically 78% but who cares)
Mario Kart 8
DK: Tropical Freeze
Pikmin 3
Smash (Wii U version is in HD, and with a controller that doesn't suck or hurt to use)
Super Mario 3D World (you can dislike it personally, but the majority says otherwise)
Splatoon (you know, the 1st new AAA IP from Nintendo in like, a decade)
Bayonetta 2
Yoshi's Woolly World
Super Mario Maker
Pokken Tournament
The Wonderful 101
Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE
Lego City Undercover
Xenoblade Chronicles X (depends who you ask, but I'll throw it in anyway because it still got great reviews, better than Star Fox)
Hyrule Warriors (76%, but it sold well and got a Switch port so that has to account for something)
Whether *you personally* like them or not is irrelevant. They're rated highly and 7 of them have already got Switch ports. They can't suck that much if both they're getting ports AND selling better than their original launch. And they weren't all low sales either, either 1 million sellers or several on the Wii U.
I was happy about the Wii U AND the Switch. I don't get all the hate on the Wii U, it was a great console even though it did have a few faults. And guess what? The switch has faults too!
@@ayoutubeaccount9502 George Wroolie are you perhaps some sort of idiot? I'm pretty sure these are the only Wii U ports on the Switch at the moment:
-Mario Kart 8
-Pokken Tournament
-Lego City Undercover
-Rayman Legends (but this was multi-platform)
-Bayonetta 2
-Hyrule Warriors
-Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
-New Super Mario Bros. U
-Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker!
You seriously still thinking the Switch's library is MOSTLY ports makes absolutely no sense.
@@ayoutubeaccount9502 BOTW doesn't really count as a port. BOTW was released on the Wii U on the exact same day that not only BOTW came out on switch, but also the last day of the Wii U's life.
George Wroolie It doesn’t matter what it was developed for, as by that logic Persona Five was a ps3 game ported to the ps4
@@dexiedoo_octo oh there are MANY more ports than that. you just listed the ones you could remember off the top of your head.
The switch has several faults.
1: Terrible battery life.
2: Uncomfortable in handheld mode.
3. Runs Fortnite at the lowest amount of fps to be considered usable.
4. Barley tapping the system in docked mode causes it to go back to handheld mode.
5. Over priced pro controller. It's not even that good!
6. Using a sideways joy con sucks.
7. You have to buy the ability to play games online. Splatoon 2 is $60, plus 1 year of nintendo switch online which is $20 is $80 just to play this mostly multiplayer game and each year, you have to renew your subscription.
8. No virtual console and nintendo switch online only has nes games.
What I find silly is people claiming that they missed out on the games on the Wii U. They didn't miss out, the console was always there. It could have used a price drop, sure, but to say they missed out is hyperbole.
The Wii U actually did get a $50 price drop at one point
The bad side of the fanbase are hipocrites. They do stuff like ask for smash, and when it's announced, they're somehow positive it's a port, and hate the thing they've been whining for, even though there's no information on it whatsoever. Rinse and repeat for every big game. There's always a bad side of every fanbase though, so it's not just nintendo.
Especially if you're talking about Sonic.
The N00BiSH Honetsly I think Pokémon's vocal minority has gotten worse as of late, especially since Sonic fans kind of reached an overall consensus on Mania and Forces, which is both really wierd/rare for Sonic, but is also something that isn't happening in the Pokémon fanbase.
I like smash
Icy Blade
I never said all smash fans are like this, that's why I said the bad side.
I guess it’s just expecting from nintendo to screw up again
My favorite part of Arlo’s videos is that he claims that he bashes 3D World all the time and keeps praising Odyssey for being so much better, but constantly uses music from 3D World in his videos. Not hating or anything, I just think it’s funny.
It is funny, though I can't say i blame him. Love or hate the game (I love it but I can definitely see its flaws) it has an AMAZING soundtrack.
Tommy Ruggeri Some games that people dislike have music that many praise (Cdi Zelda games, silver surfer for NES, etc).
Hotel Mario is a masterpiece that makes me want to eat butternut squash.
Sonic 06 is one of, if not *THE WORST* game in the franchise, yet has an absolutely magnificent soundtrack. It's probably why they keep on using the results theme from that game as the victory jingle for Sonic in Smash.
Tommy Ruggeri Its also funny because Mario Odyssey uses the same engine as 3D World and some assets are reused 🤣
I loved the idea of the WiiU. I wish more games came to it. Honestly, there's nothing like being able to have your inventory/map/items right there in your hand while you play the game.
Wind Waker HD was probably best gaming experience I've had with a console because of the gamepad. Plus you could play your games in your hand while somebody else watched tv.
And the Bottles linked to the Mii Universe while playing Wind Waker was such a great feature that it baffles me why Nintendo would not incorporate something like that in other games. It was nice knowing people were enjoying the game as much as I was. Like reading the Zelda Reddit page in the actual game. It was awesome.
so just because breath of the wild on the Wii U was not very popular means that it is completely different from a game that came out on the same day with the same name, dont think so
Edit: Smash is a system seller, and is also considered the most hyped game series in the world
TheGrandestOfPas I actually think it would’ve been a better system seller had it been near the launch of the system. Even as early as 2014, the Wii U was already beyond saving. It was a very flawed system from the beginning, and it didn’t have the strong launch lineup to make up for that. This could be seen with Super Mario Maker. It was an Internet sensation back in 2015, so it should’ve been a system seller, but it was too little too late by then. This is also why Breath of the Wild was delayed and released on the Switch. Nintendo clearly lost all hope for the Wii U, so they put this game on the Switch so that it could sell better (though admittedly, it may have also been because they realized that the Switch didn’t have any big hitters at launch and didn’t want the Switch to be in the same situation as the Wii U).
Xn Smash His point was that because Breath of the Wild was released on the Wii U on the Switch’s launch day, and the latter also got it, no one wanted to get the Wii U version, especially since it was dead by that point. I don’t think that’s a good argument, but only because the original post’s point was just that most, if not all, of the first party games on Switch were on- or similar to games on- the Wii U, and anyone who prefers one over the other is hypocritical as a result, not that that’s a good argument to begin with, given all of the other factors. Also, he did indeed say that Smash was a system seller, just not enough to save the system.
TheGrandestofPas what you gonna ignore brawl?both smash for wii u and melee are system sellers e
Nintendo fan here. I bought a wii u early and never regretted it. So they can't even say all Nintendo fans hated the wii u.
Now that's not to say I think the wii u has no problems or had the best lineup of games in nintendo history. Just pointing that, as Arlo himself says in the video, not everyone in a fanbase is a monolith sharing the same opinions one verything. The wii u was flawed but between smash, mario kart, 3d world, wind waker HD, tropical freeze and several other games, I never regreted my decision to buy one early even if things could have definitely been better.
And as the point of people wanting new things then complaining about new things: execution is KEY. There's not a dichotomy of 'doesn't want change' and 'wants any change no matter what.' I can respect Nintendo for trying something new with the gamepad. Just as I respect them for the wii and switch trying new things. But just because someone wants a company to try new things doesn't mean Nintendo is above criticism when they try new things that miss the mark.
I enjoyed my Wii U very much as well. The games that it did have were really awesome. The problem was it took the Wii U's entire lifetime to get all those games where the Switch got them all in its first year.
I think it's funny that Arlo took this stupid meme as an accusation that "Nintendo fans" are hypocrites. I think the Nintendo faithful were the 13 million who bought the Wii U and the loved it... Or at least tried to convince themselves that they did. When I saw the meme, I thought it was a comment on how (or why) the general gamers, those without brand loyalties, never even considered the Wii U even though it had good games.
To add, the lack of storage can be fixed by a portable hard drive.
Did you really just start this comment with "nintendo fan here"
Actualy The Wii U Made me a Nintendo fã (before i Was a Playstation Sega fã that Just play some Nintendo stuff but after i got The Wii U i Was hoked)
I think the way to easily dismantle this argument is to look at the games the wii u had for the first year and what the switch had. The Switch already has a better library in it's first year than the wii u had in 4 years!
Infinite Ouya but how many of those games are Wii U games ported to the switch with minimal effort, and people who already owns those games wont care to rebuy them.
Mark nailed it. I bought a Wii U a couple years before they made the move to Switch, and I feel VERY unappreciated as a longtime Nintendo fan right now. They didn't make this console, or allllllllllllll these ports, for actual Nintendo fans because we already owned the damn things. Also, how many times do I have to buy A Link to the Past before Nintendo just lets me own it?
Tbf Nintendo already had the engine and resources to easily port Wii U to Switch
Kes Kes, am I not a "true" nintendo fan because I didn't buy the wiiu? In order to really be a fan of a company, you need to buy all their products, or even just the main ones? Does that mean anyone that disliked and didn't buy the, say, virtual boy when it came out isn't a real nintendo fan?
Look at it this way. During my life, I've owned (and still do) pretty much every main nintendo console. Minus two, the NES, and the wiiu. (including almost all the 3ds etc versions). NES mostly because it was a little before my time, and again, don't see many games I want to play on that console. I didn't grow up with them, I didn't play them as a kid, and they don't appeal to me as an adult. So therefore, I haven't and won't buy it.
When the wiiu was shown to me (and after I finally understood it was a console, all its own), I looked at it as it's own console, not knowing what games there were for it (and then, and still now, I'm not active on social media or anything, so that's not a big influence on me), and thought to myself "I don't want that." There were a number of reasons. One, I'm not a big fan of touchscreens. I don't really like them. The 3ds is ok because it works with a stylus, which is far smaller than my fingers. 2, I couldn't even (and still can't) fathom the battery drain on the controller pad thing. 3, it looked cumbersome and unpleasant to use or hold. 4, and a bonus one, it reminded me of things like the leappad. THEN I saw the ads, and realized that nintendo wasn't trying to sell it to *me*, an adult fan.
Years passed, and as I checked in on it again a few times, no games really came out to draw me. No metroid, no 3d mario game (technically, yes, mario 3dland is 3d, but you know what I mean), I had smash bros on my 3ds, and skyward sword didn't look all that exciting (It looks enjoyable though).
Pikman 3 was the only game that I really wanted to play. Super mario maker looks interesting, but not something to buy a console over. And neither is pikman.
Compare all this to the switch, which, first and foremost, addressed all my concerns with the wiiu. The touchscreen is a minor feature. I already knew the battery life from the get go. It was smaller, and sleeker, and looked far more comfortable and manageable. It was marketed towards gaming adults like myself, so I knew they were trying to work towards bridging that gap they built themselves. AND on top of all this, it was a fully portable system. Oh, and pokemon was moving over to it too. Did I mention I play the main series pokemon games competitively? (on and off, but eh). AND the games shown said "Hey, remember all those things you wanted? We got it, they're here, or they are coming. Oh, and here's a new 3ds metroid game to chew on in the meantime"
Rad af don't forget the Wii U has something the Switch should have had since Day 1:TH-cam and Netflix
And that image isnt even covering the third party support that the Wii U didnt have, which basically made it a first party only console.
Another point for the Switch.
I own a switch, Wii, and all the DS's yet my WiiU gave me the most good times in a console ever
Ignoring the fact that it's not a great console, it did have some good games
Pajoe86 lol but it is a good console
PurpleOJ something tells me you haven't played many consoles then
There were good games on the wiiu and I used to used in all the time seeing how I never really leave my room outside of work or college, so I was content with the gamepad since I shared a room with my younger siblings, they can watch the or play their games while I could still play mine.
I used to use wiiu so much but my gamepad went to shit and I have to pay $100 to repair because the warranty has expired (had it since release of the black version) so now I play my switch but I likes the wiiu had the browser, I could sit the gamepad on it's stand and use the browser for reference drawings when I'm drawing my art. Personally I don't regret the wiiU I enjoyed it's life span
PurpleOJ I agree 100% I have had the best game experience with games on the Wii U
The Switch is something special, no way anyone who didn’t like the Wii U and likes the Switch are hypocrites! The Wii U has great games, but that wasn’t the issue. The system as a whole just wasn’t a good concept.
Andy Orto i dont like the wii u but i do like the switch, i love the games on the wii u they looked very good, which is why im happy with ports
the cub zion storm I agree! The ports all came in the first year and a half too! So worth it!
Andy Orto I didn't like the Wii U either, if it would of been portable like the switch it would of most likely of been a day 1 purchase. Rather than not getting it at all.
That's what made me so mad about the Wii u. I was under the impression it was something I could take with me.
I liked them both. But the Switch is almost other worldly I like it so much more. Especially the form factor and ease of use.
I just booted up my Wii U for the first time in months to record Smash footage, and it literally took almost half a minute to get the game to even start loading.
The Switch on the other hand takes at max half that time for me to already be in the main menu of any game.
That combined with the Switch turning me into a digital gamer with how easy it is to "Switch" between games on a fast, portable system, it's just amazing.
Even not outside of the games offered, the Switch is just so clever and easy to use.
More Arlo is always good for the soul
Wii U had something in my eyes that puts it above the switch. The HD remakes of Zelda Wind Waker and Twilight Princess
Probably a very unpopular opinion but I bought a Wii U around the time it first came out because I was hoping it'd be as successful as the Wii was for me. A big mistake..
I guess you could call me an extremely casual gamer or whatever but the Wii was the best console to me, because my favorite franchises of all time were on it. This includes Animal Crossing(I know New Leaf is better, but I prefer to play on console.), Harvest Moon and Rune Factory(RIP btw). Also prefer Brawl over the other smash games even though I like them all.. except for Smash 4. Anyway, that's why I liked the Wii so much.
Other than Smash, those games didn't make it to the Wii U. Instead of Animal Crossing, there was Amiibo Festival which was a massive slap to the face not just to me, but other Animal Crossing fans. The lack of the games I personally prefer to play on Ninty with weren't on it, so I was pretty bummed. The Wii U is definitely the worst console I've ever owned. I was and am still skeptical of buying a Switch without waiting for at least Animal Crossing to come out for it because I know it will some day. It's gotten pretty popular thanks to New Leaf.
Until then, I won't get a Switch until Animal Crossing comes for it. It looks like an alright console/handheld hybrid though I'm not into the handheld gimmick all that much. That's why I have a 3DS instead. Has better games than the Switch does currently.
For the time being, I bought a PS4 instead and am pleasantly enjoying it. It's my first Sony console since the PS1, and definitely the first time I prefer a different console over Nintendo's. I hope the Switch does well though. I'd like to play it some day.
Kimtastic Well, excited for Animal Crossing next year?
nothing to do with the whole comment but I feel animal crossing is a perfect game for handhelds.
At least they aren’t a sad troll that thinks they’re special for the sole reason they know the word pathetic. Just because you have a permanent v card doesn’t mean that you have the right to be obnoxious, and if you don’t know what a v card is, go back to Fortnite.
im not that casual and in my opinion the wii is easily one of the best nintemdo conaoles the wii u isn't that bad either it really is like a modern day dreamcast which is kinda cool
@Diabeto Kills not at all
>equating 3d world to odyssey
lol
You're right: 3D World is a way better game since it's more focused and doesn't have over 70% of its content be filler from your typical Ubisoft game.
Victor Cancelas at least 3D world is more focused and has more challenge and doesn't have literally 600 of the moons being filler go watch super mario odyssey is no masterpiece and you'll understand my point
I really enjoyed 3d world. Played the heck out of it. Odissey? Meh. It never ignited that spark. Maybe it’s because if what the other said on the comments, 3D world was focused, tight, pure fun, odyssey seems to me watered down
Druido Bianco Other way around, dummy.
Death Superstar You’re just a cynic that hates actually fun. Watch this better video because you’re wrong th-cam.com/video/M5snLAuDr7Q/w-d-xo.html Odyssey is a celebration of Mario’s 35 years. It’s a better celebration than Sonic Forces could ever hope to be and that’s not really hard to do.
I don't really agree with Arlo's argument on how Breath of the Wild doesn't count as a fair comparison. Breath of the Wild will absolutely go down in history as a Switch game, and I find that a little upsetting considering that was for the better three quarters or so of its development cycle was made exclusively as a Wii U game. I don't care that it was released on the same day, let's just say it as it is; Breath of the Wild (Switch) is a Wii U port. I'm not saying that it was the wrong financial decision to hold back the game so they could port it to Switch on launch day. That decision was 90% of the reason why we love the Switch now and why BOTW was as critically acclaimed as it was. All I'm saying is that it's fair to say the Switch was able to use the game as a stepping stone to success.
It's the same as Twilight Princess. I pre-ordered it more than a year before it came out because it was originally a Gamecube exclusive game. Then they delayed it for a year because the Wii was on the way and they wanted to port it over to Wii and do a simultaneous launch.
Most people played Twilight Princess on the Wii. I almost never see anyone talk about playing the Gamecube version like I did.
Buddy... Twilight Princess will always be a Gamecube game to me.
ChrisTheFields It is not a port.
Max Hamilton it is a port, the game was developed for the Wii U fully, they made the decision to also release on Switch, they went back to the Wii U version and removed some features from the game like the game pad functionality they originally had built in, once the Wii U version was fully gimped, they took the code for the game and ported it to switch, then they released the original Wii U version and the ported Switch version on the same day.
Where did you learn your puppeteering skills? I really like how cute arlo looks it brings back so many happy memories of the muppets and Sesame Street 😄
looking back at this cause someone recently published it on twitter.
that wiiu library is the entire library of the system through its 4 or 5 years of life, the switch library there is a little over a year old, it was really stupid that people thought that was comparable
I don't understand the basis of this rant. I guarantee you this comparison graphic was made by a Nintendo fan in defense of Nintendo fans, not by a hater trying to call Nintendo fans hypocrites. This is defending the Wii U; we spent years insisting that the Wii U has a bunch of great games worth playing so it's frustrating as a Wii U fan and a Nintendo fan to see casual observers so impressed with games like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe when we've been talking about how great that game is for years.
chfgn The Wii U was a bad console with good games. The switch is a good console with good games. Most would pick the latter. Simple as that.
I mean, sure, if that's your position then that's fine. But Arlo is basing this whole video on the position that this graphic was made at the expense of Nintendo fans, accusing them of something, and I'm pretty sure that's not true. It appears to be a defense of the Wii U's library, rather than a take-down of the Switch's, and there's nothing wrong with that at all. These games are all great, but they were great when they were new too so maybe ease up on the Wii U hating a little bit because it brought us a lot of wonderful stuff.
Elitism is bad, and don't lump every other Nintendo fan together with you, I certainly don't share your opinions on "muh, filthy casuals" and on the Wii U as a console in general, and I'm a pretty big Nintendo fan, but most of all I'm a videogame fan.
I'm not sure what you mean, VirgateSpy. Elitism? I'm describing an optimistic interpretation of the image, that it's saying something positive about Nintendo and their games, so there's no need to be so defensive about it like Arlo has in this video. Also no need to build such an aggressively negative legacy for the Wii U when it had a lot of really good games that people are still enjoying today. I enjoyed my Wii U a lot and I think the image really describes why, it had a library of excellent games that are now considered system sellers on the Switch. Switch is great too, all systems are great if they have great games.
Elitism is like thinking all the real nintendo fans actually loved the wii u and the casuals who only got the switch now because of "hype"(or something) just don't get how great of a system it was. Like, no, I can like games on the wii u while still acknowledging its and Nintendo's flaws and that it was a poor system overall.
I heard this from someone
“The Wii U’s battery is so terrible for no reason!”
“The switch’s battery life is terrible, but it’s understandable because it runs games in HD.”
Because the Wii U didn’t run in HD
Yeah, tell that to every modern smartphone.
The Wii U pad drained battery faster than it charged though... also the gamepad resolution was 854x480.
Aaron Games the problem is the game pad drains faster than it charges. That is a consistent problem I've had with the thing. So yeah, the battery for the Wii u is shittier than the switch
Do you liek Mudkipz
That's a straight up lie. I would play with the Wii U on the pad all day, doing Xenoblade X marathons and such, and never once did it get anywhere near death while it was plugged in. In fact, after 4-6 hour sessions, I would end it and look at the battery life, which would be *full*.
Grand Priest Not a lie. You were lucky, I was not.
I would go on binge sessions on X as well. Approximately 5 hours in, consistently, it would die. This is also a problem I would have with the internet browser. Smash would give it a slow, but manageable charge
4:38 Which weapon is that? I saw through the list of all weapons and couldn't find it ...
Some people are just discovering the Wii U now that the Switch is on their radar and they are noticing that the Switch’s most popular games are simply old Wii U ports. I was never disappointed with the Wii U, in fact, I bought all of the “modern” consoles and the Wii U always got the most use in our house. There’s really only 2 reasons why we prefer the Switch. It’s got better controllers and it uses cartridges. If the Wii U had those, I’d be playing it now. Cartridges are Soooo much better than disks. They make the PS4 and Xbox look outdated. Besides, the Wii U has some serious advantages over the Switch. It can play the Wii’s massive library and it has 2 screens. Try building Super Mario Maker levels on the Switch. Not gonna happen. At least not without a total redesign of the game.
Yeah but if the Wii U DID have good controllers and cartridges it still wouldn't be worth using seeing as the only new games coming out are Just Dance and some indie titles while the Switch is getting brand new AAA games practically every month
... exept that I can actually take the switch with me.
Seriously, to some it might not matter at all, but for some it's a deal breaker.
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who actually liked the Wii U lol
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Don't worry buddy. I like it too.
I loved the wii u its so underated
You are not alone man. I recently found a hidden gem called Tokyo Mirage Sessions FE and I am loving it! I am amazed that I can still find reasons for playing such a dead system as the Wii U.
Same here. It had awesome games
I have found a small number of people who liked it. I last time I played mine was a few hours ago. Granted it was either a Wii game or Earthbound Beginnings, but I played on it all the same.
Actually that image would represent the mindset of a former Nintendo hater, not that of a hypocritical Nintendo fan. I don't know of ANY Nintendo fans that disliked the Wii U.
El Chaos This. All day, this.
Because youre with the good fans, keep it up
Wanted Wolf -No friend codes
-Miiverse (messaging system)
Wanted Wolf
Fatal Wii U flaw - Not enough system sellers at a reasonable rate, causing a lack of player interest; if you have no player interest, you get no third party interest... especially if you don't seek it out.
The Wii was also backwards compatible and everyone had it, so that doesn't count, you only get Wii U games to justify it.
Benefits don't matter if you've got a bad release schedule, it can be fixed, but Nintendo never did much about the Wii U; they mainly focused on the 3DS after the flop passed, because that was resolved first.
Who's here after mario maker 2 and super smash bros ultimate overshadowed smash wii u and mario maker 1
Me lol
I still play Mario maker 1
Well, I bought a Wii U for 3D World only.
Probably not as much as Odyssey, but to someone like me it was the system seller.
And I like how you still use a lot of 3D World musics in this video while humiliating it before Odyssey.
Sorry Arlo, I'm kind of with the image on this one, at least for now. Nintendo has ALWAYS made great games, even in the so called dark Wii U ages.
There were a lot of problems with the marketing and conceptualization of the Wii U, but bad games was not one of them. I daresay the Wii U has one of the greatest Nintendo game lineups of all time, and with all the ports and re-imaginings, it's hard not to look at the Switch as a Wii U owner and not feel kind of like a hipster about it. Yes, I love that people are now getting a chance to play the games I loved over the last 5 or so years, but that doesn't mean I can't feel a little smug about it :)
Also, yes, the Switch stars the best Mario and the best Zelda ever released, but I expect more if you want to convince me that the Switch library is objectively better than Wii U's.
However, the potential IS there, more than ever. The difference, as Arlo correctly points out, is in the rate these games are coming out. Wii U had 4 and a half years to come up with its stellar lineup, and the Switch is now matching it in just 1-2 years.
But, will the Switch be able to sustain that pace without relying on its many ports of the Wii U's catalog? If Nintendo keeps up its current momentum but with new and original games, then we can talk. I BELIEVE it will, but let's see this year's E3. With new Metroid Prime, Pokemon Switch (and Let's Go Pokemon), Fire Emblem, Smash, Yoshi, etc. supposedly on the horizon - it looks promising, but it will all depend on the release schedule and quality of the games. But, now's really the time for the Switch to really differentiate itself from its predecessor for a Nintendo fan.
(Also, not the point, but just a reminder that there are things the Wii U did that the Switch has sadly abolished - like Miiverse, being able to locally backup your data, free Internet, more menu options. As someone who personally rarely games on the go but who loved Miiverse and believes he should have access to his own data, I have had a hard time not being bitter about some of these changes.)
don't forget that wiiu has virtual console, meaning it has ocarina of time, majoras mask, spirit tracks, and more zelda games in its library. along with every other virtual console game. it also has its own enhanced ports, like wind waker hd and twilight princess hd. as of right now, that image is 100% fair in every way.
I respect your opinion but the switch has the best zelda? Hell naw Twilight princess, wind waker, majora's mask, ocarina of time, a link to the past and the gameboy games were better "Zelda" games Breath of the Wild is amazing on it's own terms but as a "Zelda" Game it's nothing like the old ones there's no amazing dungeons, or puzzles. So yeah Breath of Wild was great just not what I want in a Zelda game lol.
chaoticcranium Nintendo has more chances of keeping that pace with original releases on the Switch because now they don't have to divide their resources between a home console and handheld like 3DS so they can focus all the new games on Switch. Unless Nintendo decides to support the 3DS for the next 30 years that is.
Joshua Oxenford Very true, how could I forget about the VC? The NES selections thing for Switch hardly compares.
That said, Switch has way improved Nindies and third party support, which I also neglected to mention.
Cutter Elf Probably true, though the high graphical quality games for Switch will probably need more dev time than any 3DS game. Lets see what E3 has for us.
Either way, lets not drag the 3DS into this because I could easily lump the 3DS and Wii U as "Nintendo's previous generation" and ask us to compare the Switch to the both of them (I know Nintendo is still supporting the 3DS, but yeah, its certainly last gen at this point as a 7 year old system). And the 3DS library is certainly not to be trifled with...
Also this list ignores a ton of games who aren't necessarily Switch exclusives, but didn't make it to WiiU like Skyrim, Fire Emblem Warriors, Sonic Mania, etc.
DavidKyokushin, also Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Snipperclips, Golf Story, plus a plethora or other great indies. I like how everyone pretends how those games don't exist just so they can push their narrative. "Da Switch only haz Marioo and Zeldar"
Chief Screaming Chicken the wii u has tonnes of indie games, 3rd party games and virtual console which the Switch doesn't... If anything bringing that up gives the wii u the edge.
ToadyBloyster, the Wii U has also been around for 5 years. It's not a rational argument. A fair comparison is comparing the Wii U's first year lineup, and the Switch's first year lineup. Also I'm not talking about Wii U fanbase in general, but anyone that makes the fallacious argument that the Switch only has 2 titles.
Chief Screaming Chicken the video is about that picture which compares the wiiu library and switch library as of now. Comparing in relative lifespan terms if a bit silly as we live in the present. The Switch has plenty of good games but the WiiU as if right now still has the better library overall.
ToadyBloyster, the only thing silly is assuming that the first year lineup didn't matter because its okay now. Also, are you saying the video is claiming that the Wii U should be just as popular as the Switch because they currently have the same lineup? I really hope you can see the flaw in that logic. The Wii U failed through it's entire lifespan lets not pretend that doesnt matter.
Man, it’s weird watching this video over a year later and hearing things like “Yeah, you can have Smash too.” Knowing how insane Ultimate is and looking back on this feels like such a huge concession now, but with no information about the title at the time it makes sense.
0:15 So guys we did it
Comedy DuDe that’s the best thing I’ve seen today
5:49 that bokoblin looked so relaxed as it was flung up into the air
People dont seem to understand the concept of time, all those wii u games came out over the course of years where as all those switch games except smash were all in the first year of the switch. Nobody would have any problems if the wii u first year was anywhere near that good.
Maybe some people don't understand the concept of time but maybe you don't either. 7 of the games from the video where ports from the Wii U. If you already own a Wii U and already played those games that "first year" for the Switch wouldn't really be a first year to begin with. As a Wii U owner (and a Switch owner btw) I only consider Mario Odyssey a great "first year" Switch title. The rest I either already played on the Wii U or I found them good but not remarkable. Not a bad first year for the Switch but not that good either.
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I just love them equally. They're both my 2 favourite consoles. Theoretically, Switch would just be superior, but I absolutely LOVE every game I have for both systems (exept 1-2 Switch!... I kinda regret asking for that for Christmas...) but anyway, the Wii U's games just have a lot of charm, probably because of nostalgia (I waited to get that console for 4 years), and the Switch's games are all so AMAZING. Not to mention that I'm easily impressed.
the switch is easily superior only if Nintendo fixed switch online
Finally, someone who likes both the Wii U AND the switch the same
I think the library for switch is REALLY weak and there’s very little variety.
What about the perfect horror game starring everyone's favorite Nintendo character.
G O O I G I
Exactly and the Wii U is wayyyyy better.
I guess I can't be too mad because people have been calling fans of all game systems hypocrites since the dawn of preferences. Nintendo fans are hypocrites for not getting a Wii U, Xbox fans are hypocrites for wanting a new Banjo-Kazooie game while being the audience that pushed all the gray/brown gritty games last gen, PS4 fans are hypocrites for being mad about the Xbox E3 reveal for it's original anti-consumer policies and then go and buy Battlefront II anyway. It's all stupid generalizations and, to be honest, I feel like the whole "defend your favorite multi-million-dollar company" thing to be stupid and kind of dead. The idea of being a fan of one camp is kind of weird to me when I think that we'd all buy every console and game ever made EVER if we could afford it and had the space (except for some that I wouldn't buy on principle).
There's this weird thing people do where in order to justify their purchases, they will defend that company that sold them the product over their competitors. It's a defense mechanism to avoid buyer's remorse. I wish more people were aware of this when they start defending multi-million dollar companies for their anti-consumer practices which, by definition, screw themselves over as a consumer.
9:30 I find it funny that you said "in black and white" while playing color splash gameplay in the background
everything isnt completley black or white
What music do you use at 4:00?
The one thing the Switch did right was merge handheld and home gaming together into one unit. That, and getting rid of the optical disc as a storage medium for games. That's why I have two Switches and one Switch Lite compared to a single Wii U. It also helps to have money from stimulus checks during a pandemic to be able to afford all this. As for Breath Of The Wild, I've been waiting for that game to come out for the Wii U for years, but it coming out as both a launch title for the Switch and the last first-party game for the Wii U meant that my Wii U was doomed.
"You can't compare [Game A] to [Game B]..."
Ok I get your point, but you're also missing the broader point that's trying to be made about the Wii U vs Switch. It's not the argument that the games are "the same." The argument is that the Wii U had "No Good Games," but so many of those games were immediately ported to the Switch (which is why they came out so quickly- they were ports). And the non-port comparisons are just stating that "look, the Wii U ALSO had a few Mario titles, it ALSO had Splatoon, it ALSO had a Kirby game, it ALSO had BotW." It's not trying to say they're IDENTICAL libraries, but saying that people are praising the Switch for what its library currently has, but uses those same basic library standards to shit on the Wii U. "It's good enough for the Switch, but it's not good enough for the Wii U."
I own both the Wii U and Switch, and I think both systems are equally as good. Yes, I think Nintendo did a horrible job at marketing the Wii U and seriously slacked on bulking up the game library for it because of slow sales. It was a complete marketing failure. Yes, the Switch is so much more successful because Nintendo marketed it RIGHT, releasing it with one of the most anticipated games in recent years. It succeeded partially due to the Wii U's failure, and because Nintendo marketed it well from launch. But both systems are good for what they are, and while the comparison being made in that post/image isn't EQUAL and IDENTICAL, the point they're trying to make is legitimate, at least in regards to why some people feel it's unfair to look down on the Wii U for what the Switch also has, and not so much the whole 'Nintendo fans are hypocrites.'
ALSO, SIR, FOR THE RECORD: THE WHITE WII U IS BEAUTIFUL!
OccultBeast you're missing the point. The main point is it took 4 years for the Wii U to get that library while its only taken the Switch 16 months to get to that same point
I'm glad you wrote out all that so I didn't have to. I find it so baffling that people don't seem to understand that it comparatively takes less effort to port a game than it does to create something brand new. I understand Arlo's point of people not wanting to buy a Wii U for BotW when the Switch was brand new with promises of more games, but if a brand new HD Mario Kart, HD Smash Bros, Monster Hunter with fantastic online multiplayer, new online shooter IP that turns the genre on its head, exclusive Bayonetta sequel, new Donkey Kong Country, multiplayer 3D Mario game, AND two excellent HD ports of older 3D Zelda titles couldn't get people to drop money on a Wii U, I sincerely doubt even a brand spanking new open world Zelda would convince people to pick up the console even if it was released back in 2015 or so.
AND JESUS CHRIST I LOVE THE WHITE WII U! If they sold the white Wii U with a 32GB hard drive, it would have been so great!
It took the Wii U it's entire lifetime to get those game. The Switch got them all & more in its first year. Granted I enjoyed my Wii U but clearly the Switch is doing it better.
I enjoyed my Wii U during its lifetime and I'm currently having just as much fun with my Switch, but that just kind of adds to the legitimacy of the picture. The greatest games on the Wii U and Switch have SO MUCH overlap, yet the Switch is a runaway hit while the Wii U failed to convince the masses that it had good games, even to the point where tons of people singing the Switch's praises seem legally obligated to piss on the Wii U's grave every time they say something nice about the Switch.
To be fair, I also agree that the Switch is a better piece of tech than the Wii U, but that doesn't excuse people hating on Switch games while praising the Switch for playing those exact same freaking games!
I entirely skipped out on Wii U because nothing on it interested me.
I like Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Smash Bros, and LoZ. All those things were on the 3DS so I didnt bother.
The Switch on the other hand, has the Next Pokemon core games, the next core Fire Emblem Game, the Next Smash Bros game, and It had BoTW at the start.
So far I'm content with only having BotW and Mario Kart. I'm definitely getting Octopath Traveler and Xeno 2 this summer though. Xeno's been out for a while but I've managed to stave off my craving for until after my semester ended. I wholly look forward to staring at my screen for 20 hour sessions to play that one.
I did the same, lol. The Wii U just seemed so cumbersome, too, and the 3DS had all the cool games anyway.
I'm excited to see what the new Fire Emblem is like on Switch, though.
So ur probably one of those weirdo poke emblem emo people
@Cheshire Hat Lmao chill. They were obviously referring to mainline Pokemon games such as X and Y and Sun and Moon which the Wii U didn't have. Smash was also on the 3DS so they didn't see a point of getting a Wii U just for one game. The 3DS also had a new Zelda game with Link Between Worlds and remakes of OoT and Majora's Mask. Also Breath of The Wild came out at the same time for both Wii U and Switch so why would someone get a Wii U just for BoTW? Your argument is so invalid.
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The only game I really wanted was Pikmin 3. But considering the first two games got ported to a later console, I decided to wait until it gets ported to the next console.
Cheshire Hat have you thought about the fact that not only is the 3ds cheeper but also they most likly already have one i know that plus the orginal point is the reson many poeple didnt bye the wii u. Plus it didnt have fire emblem which has 4 games on the 3ds and if it was enough to mention in there comment it must be a game they like a lot and would want to play. Also for your comments that you will make later on in life if you want to get your point across dont name call it sounds childish and will put poeple off so even if you do have a good oppion or idea many will not listen/care.
What is 4:20 ? Is it a sheikhs bike? Is it faster than a horse? Is it in a dlc? Mod? Plz explain?
Sweeches ! Its in the dlc.
2:10 were u playing with WRTP?
Just stating for the record that I freaking love the Wii-U. It's like if the DS was a home console with more power than a PS3. It's a massive bummer that the library didn't live up the potential of the hardware.
This reminds me of Pikmin for 3DS Hurts Me. While I agree it feels like an angry letter to those who believe we are hypocrites
Except for that fact that he's bringing plenty of evidence to the table to justify his claims.
NintenSnow Plays! That doesn’t not make it an angry rant.
Hey what’s that song that plays in the background from 4:00 to 7:03
Waltz of the Forest, Super Mario RPG
These were great points. I always kept saying your point about the time difference in the Wii U vs Switch ports
Bottom line, Nintendo makes great games but their hardware has been behind since N64. So they have hits and misses now as a result. The WiiU was a miss, doesn’t matter why, cause the Switch has managed to be a hit. So now they will keep it flooded with games at a better pace to keep it a hit. Problem will be when PS5 comes out. Will it sell like crazy and overshadow the Switch? I think in Japan handhelds still sell like crazy so the Switch will do well there from now on. However, in the US that’s isn’t the case. Switch is too expensive to replace 3DS so it is still competing with consoles. PS4 is just more popular and more powerful ( I have both by the way). But Nintendo has unique games so most end up buying both. It’s a weird dance that’s been playing since PSOne came out. All I know is that games are fun and I’ll keep buying as many as I can play.
Really, their consoles' graphics have only been behind since the Wii. The N64 was double the power against the 32-bit PlayStation and Saturn. The major reason why a whole slew of developers went over to Sony was how expensive and difficult it was to program for the cartridge-based N64 and the strangely-designed Saturn. And the GameCube was still more advanced than the Dreamcast at least. With the Wii, they went all-in on the motion controls and multiplayer, putting graphics (and HD) on the backburner.
Jamie V Nintendo has always focused on unique experiences over impressive hardware. And that’s just a marketing choice. You don’t buy a Nintendo console for the latest, greatest graphics but you buy it for the completely exclusive game experiences that you’ll never get on any other console.
Exactly Acero Takio. The gameboy line worked so well because it did something others really didn't do, and it did it far better than any other. You don't really get the latest and greatest AAA game on nintendo consoles. It just really doesn't happen. What you do get are nintendo's first party games that will *never* be on any other system. This is part of the reason why the wiiu failed in my opinion: The biggest pillars of those never appeared (really) on the wiiu. One of them is 3d mario games: the wiiu didn't have one. Another is metroid: flat out missing. Pokemon is another, but traditionally handheld (which that selling power has been transferred to the switch), and the last of these is the legend of zelda. Technically the wiiu got BotW, but it got it basically on its last day AS a supported console. Doesn't really count, or move new units if you know what I mean.
I disagree with the Wii U being a miss. It has good features and great controller options and some of the best games it was just handled poorly.
Gamecube was alright, being graphically behind started from the Wii days.....
It took the Wii U over 5 years to get all those games and the switch will have them all in less than 2 years. Plus it has third party and indie support that the Wii U never did. In addition it’s fully portable and comes with a normal controller two things the Wii U didn’t have.
BingBong Boopledoop by the end of this year the switch will have almost every worthwhile exclusive that the Wii U had, it is selling like crazy so no doubt we will see tons of new support now that the Wii U well has dried up. Pokémon, Metroid, Yoshi, fire emblem, mario tennis (a good one this time), third party support are all coming to the switch. Not only do people have every great Wii U game, they have a ton of switch exclusives as well. It’s not that hard to wrap your head around why people like the switch’s library more. It is basically the Wii U’s but better in every way.
The Switch and Wii U have literally identical pro controllers, and both of them are sold as extras, so you're wrong there. The Wii U did have third party and indie support in the first 2 years, which dropped off dramatically when sales slowed... Give the Switch time, it could be in the same boat this time next year if third party support dries up. As for the games. Yes the Wii U took 5 years to get all those NEW EXCLUSIVES, in the same time the Switch just stole Wii U games and gave us almost nothing new. The Wii U however had backwards compatibility for over 1500 games from day one. So really, what you're saying is the Switch gave us Super Mario Odyssey and Mario & Rabbids, and FUCK ALL ELSE! in 2 years. The Wii U has way more in the first 2 years and the ENTIRE Wii back catalogue.
TornadoCreator The Switch pro controller is better, it comes with a normal controller with the joy con grip (20 hours of battery life not 4 like the Wii U), The Switch is still being supported. What is better, 20 great games on one system or those same 20 games with added content on a more powerful, fully portable system that is also getting new great games and third party games that have never been on a Nintendo system before. (Games like South Park, Doom, skyrim, dark souls, and crash bandicoot are more liked by Nintendo fans than Assassin’s Creed, Call of Duty, Arkham orgins and mass effect 3) People aren’t just buying the switch for the games that are already on store shelves, they are buying it for the new games as well. Something you can’t say about the Wii U. It is so easy to see why the switch is selling, it has almost every great Wii U game, full portability and new games only on that system. The Wii U didn’t have enough games, now that switch does thanks to ports and new games. Backwards compatibility for the Wii add maybe 10 games tops if you don’t include Mario Kart Wii and brawl which are now irrelevant thanks to new installments.
BingBong Boopledoop try using your brain. The PS4 and Xbox One has been out for like 5 years. Of course the library will be larger. The Switch has been out for only a little over a year. Plus the Switch already has 300 games on it. Just scroll through the eShop and the proof is right there.
Drewsefer89 the switch eshop is a bit of a mine field right now though. For every Furi and Thumper there are about 20 pieces of crap. I’m sure if will end up being bigger and better than the Wii U eshop though.
So guys we did it, we hit a quarter of a million subscribers
250,000 subscribers and still growing
wii u isn’t portable, chunky gamepad, and the switch improves the idea.
The switch is smaller than the gamepad
The Wii U is still better tho.
Yeah, I never understood the logic that Nintendo fans were being hypocrites. Now, I am someone who has called out people being hypocrites about games before. I actually distinctly remember whenever an interesting, hardcore game would come out on Wii, a huge bunch of hardcore gamers would pretend the increasingly casual 7th gen shooters were HARDCORE GAMING, while also pretending that games that were more hardcore by basically any definition of hardcore gaming didn't count (barring maybe heavily marketed first party Nintendo titles). Muramasa and Little King's Story are still 2 of the best games of last gen, bar-none. But yes, people would ignore legit, critically acclaimed hardcore games on Wii actually counted as good hardcore games because reasons. It was really infuriating.
But, hardcore Nintendo fans were not being hypocrites about Wii U. Nintendo's hardcore fanbase were SOME OF THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT IT. Wii lost its casual audience to smart phones by the end and marketing did everything it could to make sure they didn't want this weird, kinda hard to explain not-sequel yet a follow-up to Wii. Before that, they had burned plenty of people with the N64 and GCN as everyone went to Playstation in terms of home gaming (the original 3rd party Nintendo problem). And Nintendo fans could still keep up with Nintendo games with a cheaper system called the 3DS anyway. Like it had no specific fanbase, and its attempts to appeal to both casual and hardcore gaming backfired. Perfect example of trying to appeal to everyone and then appealing to...well not no one, but the amount of even fans of Wii U who will consider it their favorite console is likely pretty small.
I really don't agree about Splatoon.
I found Spla2oon to be a unimaginative sequel that really only added Salmon Run, which is a great mode....that we can't always play, a choice that still baffles me to this day.
The sequels story mode was boring in comparison, and the levels were fuckin LONG. And the main game modes...I found myself getting plain frustrated playing it. It didn't feel fun, I didn't feel like I was working with teammates (unlike in salmon run), and I just found myself getting angry at the game.
I think Splatoon 2 is barely more than the first game.
Marina is the best part, but even then they don't have the same personality appeal of the squid sisters.
arlo, can i just say i appreciate your genuine commentary and positive outlook! i find you and your videos to be very refreshing ^u^
So guys, we did it, we reached a quarter of a million subscribers. 250,000 subscribers and still growing the fact that we’ve reached this number in such a short amount of time is just phenomenal, I’m-I’m just amazed. Thank you all so much for supporting this channel and helping it grow. I-I love you guys… You guys are just awesome.
I'm proud of having a Wii U and on the other hand I'm sick of just getting ports for the Switch
Same. I want NEW games for the Switch, not ports. I like ports, but the Switch has been taking it too far with the ports. Except the Okami port coming soon because that's my favorite game of all time! HD crystal clear Okami WITH motion controls and touch controls?! Sign me the fuck up! But some of the other ports offer nothing new. Bayonetta has two games in one, nothing new, pokken tournament is just the game with all the dlc, nothing new, mario kart 8 delux is just MK8 with all the dlc and a few new characters, again nothing new, hyrule warriors is just the game with all the dlc, etc, etc. The point is I want the ports to slow the fuck down!
Sqwivig The only port that I want is AHIT and its not even happening. So sad so sad so sad
I bought one game for my Switch in 2017 and it was Xenoblade. I didn't buy another until March when I got Fire Emblem Warriors.
Broaden your range of games. Go through the Nintendo eShop. There are some really amazing games in their. I have 50 games already and they're all great. Not every game has to be a Nintendo made game. The Switch is awesome for that.
it's for the people who didn't get the wii u and people who just liked the game a a lot and decided to purchase it again don't worry it'll die down
Good on you Arlo for not generalizing. That's basically all this is.
One should keep in mind that generalizations will only give opportunity for the exceptions to easily make a mockery of your argument.
I can’t believe some people really think the libraries are that similar, sure they’re are a few ports but in the case of bayonets it’s only so people will like the game enough to get the third! And we have new ips like arms (which a lot of people tend to leave out to strengthen their argument.)
Lol I didn’t know that breath of the wild was on the Wii U
Sorry, Arlo, I actually like 3D World just as much as (if not more than) Odyssey, and I'm not afraid to announce it
Cool, opinions are nice to hear, even if I personally disagree with it. :)
I can respect that I thought 3d world was honestly an underrated Mario game poor 3d world maybe another chance to shine with the switch one day
I do like Odyssey better, but the game being better isn't objective in the slightest. Both games do certain things better than one another. I love 3dworld and can still understand why some people would prefer it.
You said it yourself. "You can't really compare them." I just personally prefer linear over open-world most of the time (not that I don't like open-world obviously)
I also think 3D World's OST is better than Odyssey's
Rita Cocco and that's exactly what 3d world does better. Odysseys openness causes 3d world and the galaxy levels to have a more better structure in the level design. Odyssey has lots of platforming as well, but 3d world and the galaxy games still put more emphasis on I, so those looking for a more "pure" platforming experience MIGHT be more satisfied with them.
I still prefer Odyssey over 3dworld, but I still personally don't think that 3d world falls quite as short as some people might say when comparing the two. It's actually one of my favorite Mario titles. I like it about as much as smb3 and Mario world. The only Mario games that actually surpass 3dworld for me personally are Odyssey and the galaxy games.
9:38 Wow that idea is revolutionary! I should tell my friends about it!
But the Wii U was a great console and most of the games were great... just my opinion tho, sorry for being angry
heh im with you i even liked the gamepad since it accommodated for my big hands the switch is kinda crampy for me
In case anyone’s wondering...
The Wii U sold 13.5M units in 5 years
The Switch sold close to 18M in less than a year and a half.
This might sound mad but so far I have enjoyed more Wii U games than I have Switch, discounting ports.
Wii U:
- Smash
- Kirby Paintbrush
- Splatoon 1
- Mario Maker
- 3D World
- The Wonderful 101
- Sonic Transformed
- Sonic Lost World
Switch:
- Breath of Wild
- Mario and Rabbids
- Sonic Mania
- Super Mario Odyssey
- Fire Emblem Warriors
I'm looking forward to future Switch games like Smash 5 and Metroid Prime. However I feel the quality of Wii U titles was superior because - similar to the GameCube - Nintendo tried to really push the features like the creativity of Splatoon and MK8, or the roster in Smash 4.
The wii is like the gamecube...
T-Donor66 Chill out
Same boat with me. Wii U is my fav console ever actually. I still play it more than the Switch (trying to wrap up games on it before moving on)
David McBean It's got a Dreamcast-like charm to it. Though I prefer the Dreamcast over the Wii U :)
Since when did people say the Wii U had a bad library?
Jordan Lucero We got a ton of good games. Like Smash, Mario Maker, Captain Toad, ETC.
Sylvetube Tali and a lot of shovel ware
Landfill Gaming And Meme Run
Sylvetube Tali those are exactly the shovel ware games I'm talking about
Jordan Lucero All 4.5 years.
Only point I’ll make here, is that Nintendo still had split systems at that point with varied and shared libraries.
Buying a 3D/2ds was the cheaper(sometimes better) choice for most people because you could still play smash, Mario kart and other fun stuff while not buying another whole system. The switch killed that by making two categories come together with portable and home systems
250k is a big number but it’s not big enough for you man, you are possibly the most underrated TH-camr. How you haven’t broken a mil yet is seriously beyond me, the effort that must go into your videos and the production quality is just awesome. Keep doing what you’re doin dude