Samsung could change/fix some of the issues with firmware, so it may change in the future. That also brings risk of something else getting changed or broken with a firmware update though.
Especially since what we have learned over the last years is that Samsung TVs are typically at their best performance in early firmware. Not sure if it’s possible to revert if one decides to take an update and regrets it.
you should know that samsung brings down their tvs with future updates, not the other way around. You think that Lg is fool to not turn up the brightness without taking their safety measurements like samsung did .But now see what you get
The Samsung Firmware Update Clownshow is notorious. I had a Sammy BD player literally brick itself one Saturday morning performing a firmware update without any provocation. God bless the Costco electronics clerk who accepted it for a return/refund.
I am still in debate between these two because all the research that I've done states that the S90D is better for gaming. I will mainly be gaming on my PC (3070 Ti). However, I've always been a big fan of LG and their webOS. May I ask what makes you say that the C4 is better and why are you enjoying it?
@ C4! Mainly because the QC and Dolby vision for watching movies. I heard a lot about the S90D being better for gaming (which is what I mainly use for) but honestly it’s good to my eyes! Quality image and colors all around.
In AV Forum's review (edit: apologies, I mean the WhatHiFi review), of the C4 they found the same thing, that it is significantly better than the C3. A nice surprise after recent C series stagnation.
I didn't realize that the professional tone mapping option was on the C4 as well as the G4. Makes me wonder if this feature might come to the C3/G3 next year when they get WebOS 2024. Has LG ever back-ported features like this? I know they say the older models will get Chromecast support so I wonder if this could come as well.
I am starting to wonder if the S90D was nerfed in order to try to convince buyers to instead choose the S95D over the S90D. A battle between the S90C and S90D could sort this hypothesis out, and make the S90C and/or S89C even better value kings if your S90D is worse than the S90C and S89C.
@@MasterEggroll For movie HDR in FMM? In what way? Are you talking streaming or from disc? If streaming, from what app? Are you talking APL or HDR highlights? Vincent did a recent review and made similar observations. Are you also saying Vincent was wrong? It's interesting that you call out settings, but you can't pinpoint what particular thing about the image is being affected by these settings.
It is good that you talk about FMM for gaming. I have been playing on my G3 with FMM+Allm+HGIG(using colorcontrol)+4:4:4 since day 1. Latency using FMM has never been a problem at all. Many youtubers talked about that without any proof. It was a big lie. Moreover LG FTDA is a game changer for HDR gaming. Most people do not realize how important it is to fix black level floor. Conclusion:despite all the BS said last year, the G3 is absolutly amazing for PC GAMING. However for console players, HGIG cannot be used with FMM. I am so glad I did not buy a samsung oled. Why ? For me HGIG and FTDA are 2 essential features for HDR gaming that bring a massive visual improvment. Also, being able to play with FMM is a great option for better color accuracy. In my eyes, the only weak point for my G3 is that color banding can be seen sometimes in few specific scenario. So that needs to be improved.
On the LG, you can enable HGIG through the Windows Color Control app remotely as a setting for one of the non-GO modes. So you can use FMM+ HGIG for extra brightness and color, while retaining the true accuracy of HGIG. You just set it once and never need to use your PC again unless you turn HGIG off. This is the way.
Color Control connection to the TV will implement a flag in the service menu that can cause LG to deny warranty service. With the adjustable tone mapping options you no longer need to do that anyway. Just set 4000 mastering to 100 and set the game to 1000 nits and it will mimic HGiG.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations got it, but as you point out, your method isn’t as 100% accurate, but I suppose it’s a good compromise to avoid potential warranty issues.
@@westibbs it'll clip if the game supports console HGiG setting or has a working slider. If it's outputting higher than 1000 nits then it will still have some tone mapping, which is imo better anyway.
Hey Classy it's been 4 months... what happened to "dedicated videos for these" and "keep an eye out for individual reviews" ? Just got the 77" S90D for labor day and can't find a good calibration anywhere. Please assist.
@@TunaDog775Hahaha...guy doesn't have the slightest idea about tv calibration and is biased towards Samsung. He thinks that oversaturation and extremely bright highlights is a better image. He is the guy that calls out the filmmaker mode (the most natural and accurate mode) for being trash.
Excellent comparison, it seems that because the S90D uses both WOLED and QD-OLED panels, they nerfed this year's QD-OLED outside of game mode, not surprising, because Samsung already does this with Galaxy smartphones that use both Exynos and Snapdragon. For example, you won't get Wi-Fi 7 on the S24+ Snapdragon variant, because the Exynos variant doesn't have a Wi-Fi 7 compatible modem.
@@jenifersue585There’s a minuscule amount of content that can take advantage of the higher color volume of QD OLED. There’s a reason Panasonic and Philips went with MLA and I wouldn’t be shocked if Sony switched to MLA next year.
Definitely has nothing to do with WOLED panels. The issue is they are still gen 2 panels. Which are the same panels used in last years S90C. Now, that doesn’t mean they can’t get brighter. But they’d have to improve cooling and processing. So, it’s a bit brighter and has a bit more volume as a result of improvements. But it’s still going to be limited by the gen 2 panel. They don’t produce these panels by the way. It’s not really up to them. Samsung display is actually a separate company entirely. It’s where Samsung and Sony buy QDOLES displays. Just like every WOLED display is produced by LG display. So Samsung can’t just make new panels. They are buying them from Samsung display. And yes they are both subsidiaries of the same parent company. But they’re still very separate companies.
Why the color luminance drops so hard on gamemode on c4? On your first few mins, I love the c4 image but while gaming, i am getting sad. I want to replace my cx48 for c4 42 this year but I mostly play pc games on it…
yeah that is a clear flaw with C4 which surprisingly doesnt happen with B4 series so sth is really off with C4 hardware or software. No one has a clear answer on this.
Definitely surprised by these results, but I think something is up with Samsung's color this year. I saw the S95D and S90C side by side at Best Buy yesterday and the S90C colors looked more saturated and popped more. Thought that was interesting.
Great job Classy. You just blew up the ego of lot of Samsung QD-OLED people lol. To see the C4 go toe to toe with a QD-OLED and win in some respects just shows me that QD-OLED is not the end all be all that some hype it up to be. Again great job and keep it up.
I honestly don't care for samsungs game mode as they usually have wacky color compared to their movie modes. I've actually been playing with game mode off when gaming on my s95b recently, much better colors when using bt.2020 in sdr. So if I got the lg I'd be totally fine keeping game mode off.
@@RipYaHeadOff Usually prices come down a bit after 3 months for the "C" models ... by BF it should be around $400/500 off the original price. I am guessing the PS5 Pro is going to be somewhere between $550 and $600/650 tops ... dont think Sony is going to ask like $700 for the Pro, that would be ridiculous. So by BF, in November, an C4 55 inch + a PS5 Pro should be around $2000, maybe a bit less with some discounts here and there. Prices are different between the U.S. and Europe. Anyhows, we ll see!
The QD-Oleds always have a pink tint on camera, it doesnt show in real life except for blacks when there is direct light pointing at the TV. Not sure why its so visible on camera.
Just got 77 s90d and Fak man the picture is crazy good, I haven’t calibrated anything just yet. But out the box this tv is really good. I saw s90d, a80l and g3 I kept coming back to s90d overall so I bought it. The lg clipping is bad, I’m sure you can adjust it.
That's actually a good question, when this first launched everyone said to buy the s90c because they're the same tv basically and now it's somehow worse than the c4 that is supposed to be on paper 200+ nits dimmer
After owning my C1 for years now, i can't see myself buying anything other than a C series again. Went to my local target and saw a C3 blow away everything else on the wall(including the Sonys). They just have this clarity to them, its like looking through a clean window. All other TV's look dirty by comparison. This is the first time I've ever developed brand loyalty.
Most of us have expected the S90D to be better than the C4. The S90D is actually worse overall than last year’s models in terms of performance and accuracy. A few tweaks in the service menu as well as calibration and you have a better set than the S90D. I know we all talked about firmware updates gimping Samsung TV, but it’s already held back out the gate.
@@verttisyrjala2897 Yes, I am a hobbyist calibrator and have the means to do so. The S90D does not perform better than last year’s models across the board. In a few areas of measurement yes, but not in real world content. Btw, measurement numbers are meaning less and less in terms of actual content, this is why we don’t speak or show it as much anymore. One set will measure higher and perform worse, be less bright, and etc in real world content.
I had a 65 A80J and recently returned my C3. It was definitely brighter but the A80J had better screen uniformity (no colour tinting) upscaling motion (if you like a lot of motion smoothing the lg will be better because it has less artifacts with high levels of Interpolation), preservation of detail and the menu/os was much faster.
I have the same tv. I'm still hanging on for another year or two. You can probably compare the two on Rtings but I don't think there is enough in it to justify getting a new tv atm.
I currently have the s90d 77-in. I was thinking about taking it back and replacing with the QN90D 85 in which one should I get. I am in the living room with light controlled environment. The only thing I will do is watch movies, TV shows, a little bit of news, no video games. Is the QN90d black levels almost the same as the s90d would I be disappointed with the QN90d.
KG just put out a long comparison of the s90d vs g4. He mentioned a couple times how the non gaming color brightness of the s90d was superior but the g4 whites were better while going through the modes. Does this mean right now the c4 has better colour volume then the g4 or are your specific calibration at play? I don't remember him finding a mode where the g4 was particularly better that way while you found the opposite result with the c4 vs s90d.
Hi! I watched your stream on LG G4 calibration, where it was mentioned that it has an always active sharpening that can't be turned off. Could you, by any chance, kindly say whether that's also the case with C4?
It could be that because the S90D sells both WRGB and RGB panels, Samsung was applying a common tone mapping mode for both types of panels, and that this tone mapping was more oriented to the characteristics of the lower WRGB and that is why in a panel RGB with higher brightness and color volume specifications, is the applied tone mapping excessively aggressive?
Classy! Hope all is well. I'm torn. I have a 42C2 i use for work and gaming. I was thinking of upgrading to a 32" QD OLED monitor (one of the 2024 models). Then I started thinking of perhaps using a 55" Samsung QD OLED. Then I was thinking maybe that is too big. With this video, im thinking of swapping the 42C2 to a 42C4. Or even to the 48C4. What i like about the C series - 4 x hdmi 2.1 ports, glossy screen, dolby vision, apps built in. The QD Oled monitor has a bit higher peak brightness, better color luminance, higher refresh rate, a bit more comfortable screen size. The QD OLED tv would be the brightest, high color luminance, but I'd be about 3 feet away (if gaming, i could probably scoot back but while working, id be about 3-4 feet from the screen). Hmm. Or just stay with the 42C2? Help!
I had similar considerations, and 42C4 is the best overall option. The monitors are not actually brighter either, they only measure 1k nits in tiny window sizes and the APL luminance is lower
Great comparison video. Surprised by c4. Classy, as a monitor 42 inch size comparing c2 to c3, is the c2 just as good as c3 for use as a PC monitor? Thanks
C2 42 is perfect, i have fixed that absl auto dimming thing from a reddit tutorial and it's perfect, i also have x82l 75 and x90l 75 and nothing comes close to oled....
Crazy never expected that. How do both tvs compare to the S90C because i would pick one up literally right know if it's worth it. It's discounted and my C3 is getting sent back tomorrow (can't stand the colour tinting). Would really appreciate your advice. Use case is watching content/gaming (70/30)
Thanks a lot. Is there a possibility for the S90D to be fixed with a firmware update. And does the S90C still beat the C4 in brightness and colour luminance/saturation. Sorry for bothering just want to make a well informed purchase 😅
@@bilalbiriri6596 yes they could change it in firmware. I would be concerned about them breaking something else in the process but if not, then it could get better. I'll try to compare the S90C to the C4 when I'm back from vacation later this month.
I know on my cx, that out of game mode, with allm on, too much latency compared to game mode. So your saying that you can get the color saturation back and have the same level of latency as game mode on the c4? There must be a difference in lag out of game mode.
Is the c4 still more colorful when both are in standard and vivid mode? Samsung probably purposely kept the colors muted on the accurate modes to make the tv look more accurate. Also using the color booster setting may increase the saturation on the samsung.
Classy, your technical videos are excellent. Newbie question - Can some firmware updates impact a calibrated picture, thereby negating the benefit of a professional calibration? Thanks.
42" Sony A90k and 42" LG C4 are now the same price (LG is $100 more). I can imagine the C4 edges it out in brightness, as did the C3, but what about sharpness and detail? Is the processing in the A90k still better since the C4 didn't get the a11 chip? I'm still debating between them even though the A90k is 2 years old.
It's going to be "LG is actually very close". And possibly beats it in processing. Otherwise, it would be expected. Since last year the Samsung S90C was a clear winner in most ways, especially for gaming.
Last year the G3 tied (technically beating the S90C) with the S90C at the VE TV shootout. Hard to argue with the credentials of the judges. It should be an easy win this year for the G4.
Hello, I would appreciate it if you could answer, I wanted to buy the S90D 65, but Samsung has not yet launched it in this size in Brazil, and it is also not shipping to my state because of the floods that occurred, the S95D in partner stores is very expensive, I'm in doubt between LG G3 or S90C?! both with great prices
Wow that’s incredible the C4 looks well more impressive the game mode sure is lacking but if can use filmmaker mode on games for same brightness and colour that’s perfect 👌 so instead me setting 800nits for HGIG HDR game mode, I use 1000nit on HDR outside game mode not 4000nit or until all blocks have same brightness? Thanks also can this be used on the C3 4:39
Would the improvments to C4 also apply to the 42 inch, or are they linked to the increased brightness that only applies to the larger sizes? Looking to get a c3 or c4 as a monitor but it's really hard to find info about the differences at 42 inch size.
@classytechcalibrations would you guess that most of the comparisons and conclusions here regarding S90D vs C4 applicable when comparing the S90C 2023 77" QD OLED to the C4? Is the C4 a big upgrade over S90C?
LG finally upped their game with the C series, eh? They weren't available in Canada when I was looking to buy, so I went with the S90D thanks to the crazy good deal I got on it. I do remember you mentioning that your S90D was crushing black a bit in the early stages of you having it, and it looks like I'm having the same issue. I did a pixel refresh after about a week of using it, and haven't noticed too much of a difference. It's not by any means terrible, but it's noticeable, and I don't want to crank up shadow detail to much if I can avoid it. Any recommendations on how to possibly remedy this issue?
@ClassyTechCalobrations Oh No! Something just happened to my S90C and I had to exchange for S90D, which means I had a pay a little bit more money. Did I make a bad choice? Is the S90D inferior to the S90C??? I feel sick. If you could, please let me know your thoughts so I can cancel the order if need to be.
I think i saw a TH-cam video that the s90d is panel variation. You may get a qd-oled made by samsung or a woled made by lg and no matter the size. I would say you have a woled s90d as the c4 shouldn't be able to be better. Maybe you can zoom in to the pixels to see the structure then you know for sure which panel you got.
@@Mile91903 yes, S90C was better than C3. The change in tone mapping could be changed in a firmware update on the S90D so we'll see what happens later on. Who knows if they will break something else if they do that though.
So the samsung S90C and the S90D - 77" are both on sale here in Australia. S90C is a guaranteed QD-OLED whereas the S90D has the whole panel lottery with high chances of it being WOLED. Which one should I get?
LG is pushing these panels to their limit, charging more, no mla, and didn't even bother putting in a heatsink. Anyone not skipping this generation of both these tvs deserves to get scammed.
@@JohnSmith-ro8hk For half the world bodes well Panasonic Z93A 77" , it won't be MLA, but a evo and best in class heat sink , should be complete option for some ( especially if use TV sound ) , as will do a 1000NITS HDR easily . Still hope for discounted 83" G4
I want a triple display simracing setup and torn between C4 42 inch or the new 32 inch QDOled 240hz displays. Worried the brigtness/reflections of the new QDoleds bouncing of each other will grey out the black. Are my worries justified?
Geez, the G4 should kill the QD oleds this year, if this is any indication. I thought the S90D would smoke the C4. Maybe if it's in it's brightest and not accurate mode, it will look better for most?
Don't be so sure. I think Samsung gimped the s90d to create a clear and bigger separation between it and s95d. The s90c was basically as good as the s95c. As was the s89c
S90C or C4 (+$350) ? And why? Can you confirm that the Samsung has better motion processing with less artifacts? If you put trumotion to 10 does it still create alot artifacts? Thank you man
This is hard to believe. The colors are so much more vibrant on my S90c than on my brother C3. I don’t see how the Samsung could look so dull compared to the LG this year.
I agree I had both also the c3 just looked boring …and my uniformity was terrible …if the c4 or g4 got close to qd oled uniformity this year no banding. I might switch back
Come on classy pull ya finger out and get the G4 review out 😂. I have the G4 in the basket waiting on your thoughts . Chromance overshoot is the improvement I'm hoping for over the G3
To everyone that said WOLED was old tech and QD-OLED was destroying it, it would seem that LG isn't done with WOLED yet. The C4 is a genuinely good and competitive TV. Very impressive, LG.
I have a LG CX for 4 years now and wanted to upgrade. I can't decide which to upgrade, the 95c or the S90d. I don't want to go with LG this time because of the banding in colours and woled screen is not as colourful as qd oled. Which one would you recommend?
Samsung could change/fix some of the issues with firmware, so it may change in the future. That also brings risk of something else getting changed or broken with a firmware update though.
Especially since what we have learned over the last years is that Samsung TVs are typically at their best performance in early firmware. Not sure if it’s possible to revert if one decides to take an update and regrets it.
Both were playing content(film) in HDR10?
That's why I love Panasonic I have the LZ2000 for 2 years with 3 updates .
you should know that samsung brings down their tvs with future updates, not the other way around. You think that Lg is fool to not turn up the brightness without taking their safety measurements like samsung did .But now see what you get
The Samsung Firmware Update Clownshow is notorious. I had a Sammy BD player literally brick itself one Saturday morning performing a firmware update without any provocation. God bless the Costco electronics clerk who accepted it for a return/refund.
Great video. Couldn’t justify the S90D this year, been enjoying my C4.
I am still in debate between these two because all the research that I've done states that the S90D is better for gaming. I will mainly be gaming on my PC (3070 Ti). However, I've always been a big fan of LG and their webOS. May I ask what makes you say that the C4 is better and why are you enjoying it?
Which one did you buy@@cristophermartinez7197
@@cristophermartinez7197 Hey bro. I'm in this dilemma right now. What conclusion did you reach?
@ C4! Mainly because the QC and Dolby vision for watching movies. I heard a lot about the S90D being better for gaming (which is what I mainly use for) but honestly it’s good to my eyes! Quality image and colors all around.
I'd like to see a side by side of C3 vs C4. Hard to believe there is that much difference.
They had to compete with the s90, they had no choice but to step up, shame we don’t get the newer chip in there though
In AV Forum's review (edit: apologies, I mean the WhatHiFi review), of the C4 they found the same thing, that it is significantly better than the C3. A nice surprise after recent C series stagnation.
Glad i returned my c3!! C-series is back baby!
@@beammeupscottsp7952 giving c9 vibes lol
The speakers are significantly better on c4 compared to c3. Lg finally is improving their speakers on their tv's
I didn't realize that the professional tone mapping option was on the C4 as well as the G4. Makes me wonder if this feature might come to the C3/G3 next year when they get WebOS 2024. Has LG ever back-ported features like this? I know they say the older models will get Chromecast support so I wonder if this could come as well.
you're killing it with these reviews classy
Well done Classy! Exactly what I needed right now in looking to buy my first OLED!
I am starting to wonder if the S90D was nerfed in order to try to convince buyers to instead choose the S95D over the S90D. A battle between the S90C and S90D could sort this hypothesis out, and make the S90C and/or S89C even better value kings if your S90D is worse than the S90C and S89C.
Now you’re thinking ;)
Depends on what size and what country. That is to say, some are WOLED and some are QD OLED.
@@MasterEggroll For movie HDR in FMM? In what way?
Are you talking streaming or from disc?
If streaming, from what app?
Are you talking APL or HDR highlights?
Vincent did a recent review and made similar observations. Are you also saying Vincent was wrong?
It's interesting that you call out settings, but you can't pinpoint what particular thing about the image is being affected by these settings.
@@exhibitD79 I) love when random dudes in the comments section think they know better than Vincent or Classy.
s90c doesnt have dolby vision
It is good that you talk about FMM for gaming. I have been playing on my G3 with FMM+Allm+HGIG(using colorcontrol)+4:4:4 since day 1.
Latency using FMM has never been a problem at all. Many youtubers talked about that without any proof. It was a big lie.
Moreover LG FTDA is a game changer for HDR gaming. Most people do not realize how important it is to fix black level floor.
Conclusion:despite all the BS said last year, the G3 is absolutly amazing for PC GAMING.
However for console players, HGIG cannot be used with FMM.
I am so glad I did not buy a samsung oled. Why ? For me HGIG and FTDA are 2 essential features for HDR gaming that bring a massive visual improvment. Also, being able to play with FMM is a great option for better color accuracy.
In my eyes, the only weak point for my G3 is that color banding can be seen sometimes in few specific scenario. So that needs to be improved.
Hgig can be used for consoles in fmm, what are you talking about. I did it with the C3 and PS5.
I wasn’t even considering the c4 hmmmmmm… wonder if the 83 will be at same level
On the LG, you can enable HGIG through the Windows Color Control app remotely as a setting for one of the non-GO modes. So you can use FMM+ HGIG for extra brightness and color, while retaining the true accuracy of HGIG. You just set it once and never need to use your PC again unless you turn HGIG off. This is the way.
Color Control connection to the TV will implement a flag in the service menu that can cause LG to deny warranty service. With the adjustable tone mapping options you no longer need to do that anyway. Just set 4000 mastering to 100 and set the game to 1000 nits and it will mimic HGiG.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations got it, but as you point out, your method isn’t as 100% accurate, but I suppose it’s a good compromise to avoid potential warranty issues.
@@westibbs it'll clip if the game supports console HGiG setting or has a working slider. If it's outputting higher than 1000 nits then it will still have some tone mapping, which is imo better anyway.
As long as the eotf will be tracked up to 1000 nits, the roll off with higher luminance values is irrelevant in this case of hgig
@@ClassyTechCalibrationsspeaking of warranty, does the C4 also include a 5 year warranty or is it only on the G4?
Hey Classy it's been 4 months... what happened to "dedicated videos for these" and "keep an eye out for individual reviews" ? Just got the 77" S90D for labor day and can't find a good calibration anywhere. Please assist.
If you haven't found one yet, im going to be using Quantum TV. His videos really show what the S90D is capable of
@@TunaDog775 thx
@@TunaDog775Hahaha...guy doesn't have the slightest idea about tv calibration and is biased towards Samsung. He thinks that oversaturation and extremely bright highlights is a better image. He is the guy that calls out the filmmaker mode (the most natural and accurate mode) for being trash.
Excellent comparison, it seems that because the S90D uses both WOLED and QD-OLED panels, they nerfed this year's QD-OLED outside of game mode, not surprising, because Samsung already does this with Galaxy smartphones that use both Exynos and Snapdragon.
For example, you won't get Wi-Fi 7 on the S24+ Snapdragon variant, because the Exynos variant doesn't have a Wi-Fi 7 compatible modem.
Stop making excuses fanboy LG just has the best oleds period.
@@kingyogesh441The S90D is literally a more capable tv, just with bad processing.
@@jenifersue585There’s a minuscule amount of content that can take advantage of the higher color volume of QD OLED. There’s a reason Panasonic and Philips went with MLA and I wouldn’t be shocked if Sony switched to MLA next year.
Definitely has nothing to do with WOLED panels. The issue is they are still gen 2 panels. Which are the same panels used in last years S90C. Now, that doesn’t mean they can’t get brighter. But they’d have to improve cooling and processing. So, it’s a bit brighter and has a bit more volume as a result of improvements. But it’s still going to be limited by the gen 2 panel.
They don’t produce these panels by the way. It’s not really up to them. Samsung display is actually a separate company entirely. It’s where Samsung and Sony buy QDOLES displays. Just like every WOLED display is produced by LG display. So Samsung can’t just make new panels. They are buying them from Samsung display. And yes they are both subsidiaries of the same parent company. But they’re still very separate companies.
Why the color luminance drops so hard on gamemode on c4? On your first few mins, I love the c4 image but while gaming, i am getting sad. I want to replace my cx48 for c4 42 this year but I mostly play pc games on it…
Burn in protection maybe?
If gaming is your primary concern I’d gamble on Samsung if I were you. Their TVs don’t see the dramatic brightness reduction that the LGs do.
yeah that is a clear flaw with C4 which surprisingly doesnt happen with B4 series so sth is really off with C4 hardware or software. No one has a clear answer on this.
Definitely surprised by these results, but I think something is up with Samsung's color this year. I saw the S95D and S90C side by side at Best Buy yesterday and the S90C colors looked more saturated and popped more. Thought that was interesting.
Yeah that's because the matte screen reduces contrast and color.
No it isnt@@lewisevander
@@ahmet_10 Yes it is
@@mrclamg not at night
Same here
Told my wife Sammy looked washed @ Best Buy
Wow the c4 is looking really good this year, great video well done.
how's the uniformity on the LG C4...and how do you know if the S90D is a QD-OLED panel?
Great job Classy. You just blew up the ego of lot of Samsung QD-OLED people lol. To see the C4 go toe to toe with a QD-OLED and win in some respects just shows me that QD-OLED is not the end all be all that some hype it up to be. Again great job and keep it up.
Wow, outside of game mode C4 looks significantly better to me.
Wonder if I should wait for the Sony 42 inch model
@@adoniscoolgaming1278 No
I honestly don't care for samsungs game mode as they usually have wacky color compared to their movie modes. I've actually been playing with game mode off when gaming on my s95b recently, much better colors when using bt.2020 in sdr. So if I got the lg I'd be totally fine keeping game mode off.
It's also better in game mode as it's more accurate anyway
Too much latency out of game mode. Even with allm turned on.
accuracy is crucial people pay for calibration
in my opinion easy win for LG
you captured both TVs flawlessly nice job Classy!
Oh damn!! G4/C4 Black Friday plus ps5 pro this year 😎
Beast combo,i am using 4080 with c3 48 gonna upgrade for c4 42 😎
Still 7 long months away ... I dont know if i cant wait that long ... need ... to be ... strong.
@@Kivancli79 sameeee. I was set on G4 thinking the C4 wouldn’t be an upgrade but classy is saying it’s the biggest upgrade since the C7 damn 😅
Same C4/PS5P all the way
@@RipYaHeadOff Usually prices come down a bit after 3 months for the "C" models ... by BF it should be around $400/500 off the original price. I am guessing the PS5 Pro is going to be somewhere between $550 and $600/650 tops ... dont think Sony is going to ask like $700 for the Pro, that would be ridiculous. So by BF, in November, an C4 55 inch + a PS5 Pro should be around $2000, maybe a bit less with some discounts here and there. Prices are different between the U.S. and Europe. Anyhows, we ll see!
The QD-Oleds always have a pink tint on camera, it doesnt show in real life except for blacks when there is direct light pointing at the TV. Not sure why its so visible on camera.
Can you do a settings video for the C4 please?
C-series is back babyyyy!
Yea babyyyy
@@josuexq lmao
Hey great vid classy! Is the C4 better than the G2 I have the G2 and was debating on upgrading. Thank you for your input.
Rather go for the g3 or wait for a price drop on the g4 rather :D
This is it 😎can we have a winner🤔 I say LG life is good😉
Just got 77 s90d and Fak man the picture is crazy good, I haven’t calibrated anything just yet. But out the box this tv is really good. I saw s90d, a80l and g3 I kept coming back to s90d overall so I bought it. The lg clipping is bad, I’m sure you can adjust it.
Dam didn't see this coming The C4 beating down a A QD oled , great job classy for nit being bias towards any tv manufacturer .
This is without MLA
Actually, this size of s90d has a woled so its woled vs woled
@@dazaiosamu7323thats a wrong statement. Depending on the region, it can be a QD or a wOLED within a 55 S90D.
@@mrclamgthis s90d seems to be a woled version. Qd-oled right now beats up woled on brightness and color, you can see other vs videos
@@josuexq No there is no indication that this is WOLED version. Also, the WOLED in the G4 beats many QD-OLED TVs depending on what your are testing.
Can you please do a review of the C4 vs the S90D at 48" where they use the same panel? Thanks.
Never saw the C4 brighter than the S90D anywhere besides here. How come?
That's actually a good question, when this first launched everyone said to buy the s90c because they're the same tv basically and now it's somehow worse than the c4 that is supposed to be on paper 200+ nits dimmer
It's likely that samsung tv is thermal throttling
Watch on the channel tech with KG. C4 is also brighter there. Except for gaming mode
Good morning Classy!
After owning my C1 for years now, i can't see myself buying anything other than a C series again. Went to my local target and saw a C3 blow away everything else on the wall(including the Sonys).
They just have this clarity to them, its like looking through a clean window. All other TV's look dirty by comparison. This is the first time I've ever developed brand loyalty.
Wow the C4 came out swinging this year
Are you 100 percent sure this s90d has the QDOLED panel?
very unlikely. he didn't state the sizes. that would have cleared it up but im pretty sure it's a woled panel and not the qd oled
@@alcidescollins9126that’s the only thing that could justify these results.
Did lg refine their filters to allow better brightness out of their rgb subpixels? I mean, how are they doing this? Spectacular.
welp, even the C4 STOMPS Samsung this year in terms of clarity and depth. I expected more out of the S90D here, but probably QTV was overhyping it.
Or lg just had a bigger gun
Most of us have expected the S90D to be better than the C4. The S90D is actually worse overall than last year’s models in terms of performance and accuracy. A few tweaks in the service menu as well as calibration and you have a better set than the S90D. I know we all talked about firmware updates gimping Samsung TV, but it’s already held back out the gate.
QTV is a joke
@@icemanandbobtechandgamingHow do you know this? Did you measure the color accuracy yourself?
@@verttisyrjala2897 Yes, I am a hobbyist calibrator and have the means to do so. The S90D does not perform better than last year’s models across the board. In a few areas of measurement yes, but not in real world content. Btw, measurement numbers are meaning less and less in terms of actual content, this is why we don’t speak or show it as much anymore. One set will measure higher and perform worse, be less bright, and etc in real world content.
It’s a shame LG didn’t put the Alpha 11 chip in the C4.
Right, the C-series would almost be too good with MLA/new processor
It actually makes sense because the models were very similar
@@beammeupscottsp7952 your describing a g4 at that point dude lol
@@polishdude001 haha yeah at least put one of the two
How does the C4 compare to the G2.
Is it just me or does the image of the S90D appear SLIGHTLY blurry/less crisp when displaying motion in the video when compared to the C4?
Classy, I still have a 77” A80J . Would it be an upgrade to get the C4 ?
I had a 65 A80J and recently returned my C3. It was definitely brighter but the A80J had better screen uniformity (no colour tinting) upscaling motion (if you like a lot of motion smoothing the lg will be better because it has less artifacts with high levels of Interpolation), preservation of detail and the menu/os was much faster.
I have the same tv. I'm still hanging on for another year or two. You can probably compare the two on Rtings but I don't think there is enough in it to justify getting a new tv atm.
Awesome work. Quick question...Does the wall mount of the G2 fit the G4
I currently have the s90d 77-in. I was thinking about taking it back and replacing with the QN90D 85 in which one should I get. I am in the living room with light controlled environment. The only thing I will do is watch movies, TV shows, a little bit of news, no video games. Is the QN90d black levels almost the same as the s90d would I be disappointed with the QN90d.
The C4 is 💣
Will your S90c settings work for the S90D or are you going to do settings for the S90D?
KG just put out a long comparison of the s90d vs g4. He mentioned a couple times how the non gaming color brightness of the s90d was superior but the g4 whites were better while going through the modes. Does this mean right now the c4 has better colour volume then the g4 or are your specific calibration at play? I don't remember him finding a mode where the g4 was particularly better that way while you found the opposite result with the c4 vs s90d.
Hi! I watched your stream on LG G4 calibration, where it was mentioned that it has an always active sharpening that can't be turned off. Could you, by any chance, kindly say whether that's also the case with C4?
Do you ever share your picture setting's? I just got the s90d and am looking for setting's. Thank you!!
It could be that because the S90D sells both WRGB and RGB panels, Samsung was applying a common tone mapping mode for both types of panels, and that this tone mapping was more oriented to the characteristics of the lower WRGB and that is why in a panel RGB with higher brightness and color volume specifications, is the applied tone mapping excessively aggressive?
Could be. Seems like they screwed up this tv this year.
Classy! Hope all is well. I'm torn. I have a 42C2 i use for work and gaming. I was thinking of upgrading to a 32" QD OLED monitor (one of the 2024 models). Then I started thinking of perhaps using a 55" Samsung QD OLED. Then I was thinking maybe that is too big. With this video, im thinking of swapping the 42C2 to a 42C4. Or even to the 48C4. What i like about the C series - 4 x hdmi 2.1 ports, glossy screen, dolby vision, apps built in. The QD Oled monitor has a bit higher peak brightness, better color luminance, higher refresh rate, a bit more comfortable screen size. The QD OLED tv would be the brightest, high color luminance, but I'd be about 3 feet away (if gaming, i could probably scoot back but while working, id be about 3-4 feet from the screen). Hmm. Or just stay with the 42C2? Help!
I had similar considerations, and 42C4 is the best overall option. The monitors are not actually brighter either, they only measure 1k nits in tiny window sizes and the APL luminance is lower
Great comparison video. Surprised by c4. Classy, as a monitor 42 inch size comparing c2 to c3, is the c2 just as good as c3 for use as a PC monitor? Thanks
C2 42 is perfect, i have fixed that absl auto dimming thing from a reddit tutorial and it's perfect, i also have x82l 75 and x90l 75 and nothing comes close to oled....
Crazy never expected that. How do both tvs compare to the S90C because i would pick one up literally right know if it's worth it. It's discounted and my C3 is getting sent back tomorrow (can't stand the colour tinting). Would really appreciate your advice. Use case is watching content/gaming (70/30)
At this point I would recommend the S90C/S89C, especially for the lower prices.
Thanks a lot. Is there a possibility for the S90D to be fixed with a firmware update. And does the S90C still beat the C4 in brightness and colour luminance/saturation. Sorry for bothering just want to make a well informed purchase 😅
@@bilalbiriri6596 yes they could change it in firmware. I would be concerned about them breaking something else in the process but if not, then it could get better.
I'll try to compare the S90C to the C4 when I'm back from vacation later this month.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations Got you. Thanks a lot for the help. 👍
I know on my cx, that out of game mode, with allm on, too much latency compared to game mode.
So your saying that you can get the color saturation back and have the same level of latency as game mode on the c4? There must be a difference in lag out of game mode.
What would you rather get 65” g3 or the c4?
G3 still better than C4
Is the c4 still more colorful when both are in standard and vivid mode? Samsung probably purposely kept the colors muted on the accurate modes to make the tv look more accurate. Also using the color booster setting may increase the saturation on the samsung.
Classy, your technical videos are excellent. Newbie question - Can some firmware updates impact a calibrated picture, thereby negating the benefit of a professional calibration? Thanks.
42" Sony A90k and 42" LG C4 are now the same price (LG is $100 more). I can imagine the C4 edges it out in brightness, as did the C3, but what about sharpness and detail? Is the processing in the A90k still better since the C4 didn't get the a11 chip? I'm still debating between them even though the A90k is 2 years old.
Do the Samsung OLED panels come from LG Display?
Depends…if it is QDO, it’s a Samsung Display panel/tech. If it’s a WRGB OLED (new this year in Samsungs line up) it’ll be a LG Display panel/tech.
@ClassyTechCalibrations When using On the C4 Tone mapping Off with professional turned on do you put all three sliders at 100?
Thanks a lot
It's going to be "LG is actually very close". And possibly beats it in processing.
Otherwise, it would be expected. Since last year the Samsung S90C was a clear winner in most ways, especially for gaming.
Last year the G3 tied (technically beating the S90C) with the S90C at the VE TV shootout. Hard to argue with the credentials of the judges. It should be an easy win this year for the G4.
@@johnb4905I got the G4 :)
im ready
Hello, I would appreciate it if you could answer, I wanted to buy the S90D 65, but Samsung has not yet launched it in this size in Brazil, and it is also not shipping to my state because of the floods that occurred, the S95D in partner stores is very expensive, I'm in doubt between LG G3 or S90C?! both with great prices
Wow that’s incredible the C4 looks well more impressive the game mode sure is lacking but if can use filmmaker mode on games for same brightness and colour that’s perfect 👌 so instead me setting 800nits for HGIG HDR game mode, I use 1000nit on HDR outside game mode not 4000nit or until all blocks have same brightness? Thanks also can this be used on the C3 4:39
When u compare g2 vs c4 do you think that they perform similar regarding picture quality and brightness ?
Would the improvments to C4 also apply to the 42 inch, or are they linked to the increased brightness that only applies to the larger sizes? Looking to get a c3 or c4 as a monitor but it's really hard to find info about the differences at 42 inch size.
Why didn't you show proof of settings before?
Dynamic Tone Mapping On = C4 is brighter than S90D in HDR?
@classytechcalibrations would you guess that most of the comparisons and conclusions here regarding S90D vs C4 applicable when comparing the S90C 2023 77" QD OLED to the C4? Is the C4 a big upgrade over S90C?
LG finally upped their game with the C series, eh? They weren't available in Canada when I was looking to buy, so I went with the S90D thanks to the crazy good deal I got on it. I do remember you mentioning that your S90D was crushing black a bit in the early stages of you having it, and it looks like I'm having the same issue. I did a pixel refresh after about a week of using it, and haven't noticed too much of a difference. It's not by any means terrible, but it's noticeable, and I don't want to crank up shadow detail to much if I can avoid it. Any recommendations on how to possibly remedy this issue?
Classy, any caveats for the C4 in the 83in model? Liking the value for money I am seeing in the C4 vs the pricey G4 in my desired size.
Haven't seen it yet.
@ClassyTechCalobrations Oh No! Something just happened to my S90C and I had to exchange for S90D, which means I had a pay a little bit more money.
Did I make a bad choice? Is the S90D inferior to the S90C??? I feel sick. If you could, please let me know your thoughts so I can cancel the order if need to be.
You should be ok.
Which one should we buy on Black Friday? C4 or S90D????
I think i saw a TH-cam video that the s90d is panel variation. You may get a qd-oled made by samsung or a woled made by lg and no matter the size. I would say you have a woled s90d as the c4 shouldn't be able to be better. Maybe you can zoom in to the pixels to see the structure then you know for sure which panel you got.
No, all 55/65 that are released in North America are QD OLED. It was definitely verified as a QD OLED.
It's a weird situation then, the s90c looked much better compared to a c3 in the store and on the videos online
@@Mile91903 yes, S90C was better than C3.
The change in tone mapping could be changed in a firmware update on the S90D so we'll see what happens later on. Who knows if they will break something else if they do that though.
@@ClassyTechCalibrationsdid you check the pixel structure?
Can you give us the picture settings for the s90d please?
So the samsung S90C and the S90D - 77" are both on sale here in Australia. S90C is a guaranteed QD-OLED whereas the S90D has the whole panel lottery with high chances of it being WOLED. Which one should I get?
Lg G4
@Polarbearden too expensive
Beautiful and accurate review . Thank you !
Game mode in sdr? Super dim like the c3 or worthwhile improvement ?
Careful if s90d underperforms compared to older models, samsung might nerf previous models 😢
I just wish the picture qaulity could be the same across game and movie modes.....
I mean just look at 6 mins into the video how much better samsung is at handling games. Its on another level. For me its a clear winner.
@ClassyTechCalibrations quick question, do you still have to break in a QDoled a certain amount of hours Before Calibrating??
Some yeah. Comp cycles are the best to get done over straight hours.
@@ClassyTechCalibrations Ty brotha. I appreciate it.
So the c4 is actually a better value than a qd oled this year? That must hurt Samsung fanatics ego😂
LG is pushing these panels to their limit, charging more, no mla, and didn't even bother putting in a heatsink. Anyone not skipping this generation of both these tvs deserves to get scammed.
@@JohnSmith-ro8hk For half the world bodes well Panasonic Z93A 77" , it won't be MLA, but a evo and best in class heat sink , should be complete option for some ( especially if use TV sound ) , as will do a 1000NITS HDR easily . Still hope for discounted 83" G4
That s90d definitely has a woled panel.
Will lg make money tho likely not cause their pricing is still very bad
@@lewisevander...naw I think all 55/65 inch S90D's are definitely QD-OLEDs
So which one should I buy
could be hgig the problem in game mode? what if you set dtm to off and rolloffpoints to 100%?
So are these 48 tvs BOTH with woled because I've seen the s90d in person compared to the c4 and it definitely doesn't look like this
Improvements to C4 brings the question: Discounted G3 vs new C4? 👀
G3 still the better of the two.
I want a triple display simracing setup and torn between C4 42 inch or the new 32 inch QDOled 240hz displays. Worried the brigtness/reflections of the new QDoleds bouncing of each other will grey out the black. Are my worries justified?
42" size would be amazing for immersion in a racing sim
Geez, the G4 should kill the QD oleds this year, if this is any indication. I thought the S90D would smoke the C4. Maybe if it's in it's brightest and not accurate mode, it will look better for most?
Don't be so sure. I think Samsung gimped the s90d to create a clear and bigger separation between it and s95d. The s90c was basically as good as the s95c. As was the s89c
@@shpankeyI actually think the S90D is better than the S95D because it doesn’t have the matte finish.
Perfectly happy with my Black Friday Samsung S90C 55".
S90C or C4 (+$350) ? And why? Can you confirm that the Samsung has better motion processing with less artifacts? If you put trumotion to 10 does it still create alot artifacts? Thank you man
This is hard to believe. The colors are so much more vibrant on my S90c than on my brother C3. I don’t see how the Samsung could look so dull compared to the LG this year.
I agree I had both also the c3 just looked boring …and my uniformity was terrible …if the c4 or g4 got close to qd oled uniformity this year no banding. I might switch back
Samsung this year for oleds is out of competition. Qn900d is their flagship
Thanks a lot. Hope you will soon create a video on the best settings for the Samsung S95D
Come on classy pull ya finger out and get the G4 review out 😂. I have the G4 in the basket waiting on your thoughts . Chromance overshoot is the improvement I'm hoping for over the G3
I have c4 for movie and Samsung for gaming both are excellent for whit I use them for
Which tv have more sharpness and cleaner picture on game mode??
To everyone that said WOLED was old tech and QD-OLED was destroying it, it would seem that LG isn't done with WOLED yet. The C4 is a genuinely good and competitive TV. Very impressive, LG.
Does the S90D use AI upscaling..would've that be better than LG C4's processing?
Did they nerf the s90d?
I have a LG CX for 4 years now and wanted to upgrade. I can't decide which to upgrade, the 95c or the S90d. I don't want to go with LG this time because of the banding in colours and woled screen is not as colourful as qd oled. Which one would you recommend?
S90C is my main recommendation.
@@ClassyTechCalibrationsnice thanks for replying
Is it worth buying a Samsung s90d or is it better to buy a Samsung s90c at a lower price.
Damn , G4 might be even better ,
a lot better..that’s what I’m trying to get in a 55 inch