LG G3 MLA OLED Review - LG's Answer to QD-OLED!
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- We review the LG G3 OLED TV with MLA (Micro Lens Array) technology, including comparisons vs a Samsung 2023 QD-OLED & last year's LG G2.
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Great review as usual! Hats off to LG for a huge upgrade in performance. Also, hats off to Samsung Display for releasing QD-OLED. If they didn’t , we would still be getting the usual incremental upgrade from LG. Competition is great for the consumer.
yeah.
but what should be there for comparision for that near perfect TV. I mean you can't compare it to the C2. Needs no competition anymore. New game with a new panel-type. but this one . . . this one will always look good in therm of an OLED
except for removal of 120fps black frame insertion
@@urkent4463 It still needs competition as it still lacks color reproduction with green tinted colors... And I'm not sure what were you talking about with the C2.
Sony deliver best of both with Dolby Vision
@@RobertK1993 For Twice the Price , half the reliabillity and less than half the warranty of an LG OLED.
You can never fault this man's dedication to providing thorough reviews. It really is the only channel you need for TV reviews.
THIS!!! ☝️☝️☝️
Yeah, this man I trust to a degree I do not even look to others, a pro through and through, unbiased and with a great sense of dry humor, love it.
I feel he goes deep into things that don't really matter to most people and brushes off things that do as unimportant. Like the pink tint uniformity issue and raised black levels in ambient light are presented as complete non issue but in reality the tint ranges from bad to awful on these panels and the contrast loss is enough to look worse than a good LCD in ambient light.
lol he played nothing down. He told you about pink tinging on his unit , he told you about black levels , he also told you the new screen coating reflects less bright reflections but does hold on to black as well as last years G2 which is like mirror lol
Always grateful for PAL and low bit rate testing, no other channel really comments on this.
Well Vincent lives in the UK, so it makes sense.
@@FEWGEE1 We Downunder peeps appreciate the PAL testing too!
I would've liked to know if underscan for HD and lower resolutions can be defeated, but IIRC on LG that can't be done, only on Sony and Panasonic.
@Mike Miller: LG TVs have allowed for overscan to be disabled for standard-definition and high-definition video signals since 2020 models, as demonstrated in our video review of the LG CX: th-cam.com/video/NrRUTqfB_Ts/w-d-xo.htmlm20s
@@hdtvtest Oh ok, then i remembered it wrong, thank you.
Doesn’t get more in-depth than this! Great work once again, Vincent!
THANK YOU Vincent. Your move, Sony. You're the most trusted TV reviewer on TH-cam because you don't mind SHARING your expertise. That's' why I *ALWAYS* give you a thumb up!
Sony isn't concerned with LG, they'll always be the best and do their own thing
@@ArtVandelayOfficial Shit they better, all the bad reviews of the QD Sony OLEDs messing up is not a good look. I rather buy G3 than take a risk on the new QD and I have a A80. Just seems like the new Tech needs a little more time to smooth out.
@@bayodaman Besides brightness and slightly lower input lag none of these LG have better image quality than your A80
I have one too
The guy knows Jack shit about motion, his gaming credentials are a fucking joke.
@@bayodaman no tv reviewer including Vinny likes WRGB better than QD-OLED. If only WRGB, go for the Panasonic LZ2000.
This seems like a way bigger year over year upgrade than I was expecting. Wonder if this will scale down at all to the C series.
Probably won't impact the C series much this year around, since the improvements are because of the MLA technology. LG will probably keep that exclusive to high end series a bit more time. But if it is easy to scale up manufacturing with MLA and LG can keep innovating new improvements it could happen within a few generations.
@Makoto nope, since power draw is less the burn in risk is theoretically better than G2 plus company itself is giving 5 yrs warranty which neither Sony or Samsung gives and you will see burn in on s95 series cause if you look at brightness charts , lgs older Oleds were brighter than newer ones from E series to C they nerfed it , so Lg learned their lesson . Hence go with Lg if you are worried about burn in
@@lipiningole1381 > power draw
I'll just add one thing - I *think* the power draw was reduced, compared to the G2, *only* when brightness output was equalised between the two. If you actually take advantage of the extra brightness of the G3, power draw would be much closer or even identical, if I'm reading what Vincent said correctly.
@@johnnypopstar irrespective of all those factors g series is the only oled with 5 yrs panel warranty . So by default it’s the safest oled
@@lipiningole1381 were talking about the c series not g
MLA? Didn't know TV's started writing papers now.
Vincent is BY FAR the best tv reviewer on TH-cam and it's not even close. Every other tv "reviewer" and I mean everyone is preschool in comparison. I can't wait for the s95c review even though I already bought it 😀
Yeah! No other channels TV reviews interest me. And it clear to me that it is because Vincents tests the TV.
That gives so much more comparable data to the viewers than other reviews where they retell their impressions of using the TV. Cause impressions are so subjective it's of very little value to the viewer IMO.
Vincent also knows so much extra stuff about TV tech.
Keep going Vincent! Your testing and methods are superb!
Now if only Jeremy could understand that 🤣
I love how these videos are long, but still respect the viewers time. You click and BAM the review starts. The information density is just perfect.
Love your G3 review and so very happy that everything you said perfectly matches our findings! 👍👍
Yeah, but you're a retailer and we all prefer and independent review to get our facts.
The review we've all been waiting for 🙌
Sorry but this kind of review is archaic now, no words on Color Volume besides you cant test it anymore. Still checking white field for nits but not colored one, Spears and Muncil now has a test were a colored backround has a small white field in the middle this way you can see how tv deals with colors and energy reserved for high nit field not a black background with white field which was always a cherry picked test for OLED tbh.
Sorry Vincent, you are behind times now
New testing method with mentioned test here:
th-cam.com/video/FCJwbPrgPGk/w-d-xo.html
Watching this after a year of owning my 65" C1. Could not be happier , definitely planning to stick with LG if I ever decide to upgrade. Very glad to see big improvements with the MLA technology.
Once again Vincent you provide the best most complete tv review on TH-cam. Giving you my ‘best in class, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED’ review award. LG is getting my money this year. 77” G3 will join 65” A80J to become our second
OLED in our living space. Indeed LG may not win the shootout with QD-OLED but as an all-rounder the company has my vote. To simply catch up with and in some viewing scenes surpass last years QD-OLED is feat enough for me. And the $$ price is right as well. Well done LG.
LG defeated qd-oled with G3 no iff or butt.
It may have caught up with last year's QD-OLED in brightness measurements, but color saturation will remain inferior. WOLED is a severely limited tech that benefits from cheaper panels and scale, and MLA is just a way to get a bit more out of it.
@@kingyogesh441 *Hey look people on the internet are saying things again*
congrats...I'm thinking the exact same thing...complement my 83a90J with a 77G3 in alternate room..giving me 2 very excellent experiences...
@@Izquierda colour saturation is the just one of the metric it’s not the only thing that matters and that to when almost nothing on thr market can tap into full qd colour volume /
It’s a shame it doesn’t support BFI. The ~50% higher panel brightness would have done a lot to help mitigate the lower brightness of BFI. Oh well, as long as they bring it back by the time I want to upgrade from my CX… maybe they’ll even have a 240Hz mode by then.
I can't believe they just dumped 120hz BFI. I'll admit it's a somewhat niche feature but I love it on my CX. It's just mind boggling they couldn't keep it in or hide it behind some "advanced" menu or something like that.
Side scrolling games are almost CRT clear on the CX with BFI enabled.
This is pretty stupid how hard we lucked out with that. It is so good no question the best looking unit ever. Bought this TV and still so happy with the 55 inch display. Use it in competitive first person shooter while keeping the brightness higher and wow does it ever look buttery. Hopefully they are able to push LG OLED into the 360hz / 500hz territory and chroma sub sampling ( as even that with BFI would require both a new HDMI standard new consoles and definately a new video card to hit 4k or soon to be the new standard 8k ) there is no possible resolution of us seeing RGB to this standard anytime soon, but would it ever put those monitors to shame and out of business
Yeah if Sony lacked BFI all LG fanboys be all over them no BFI is big finger to LG consumers 😂
@@Weaver_GamesSony has it despite 2 HDMI 2.1 ports decent gaming TVs the Bravia TVs even Samsung has BFI
No 120hz BFI - better luck next time at my wallet then. C1 is superior motion clarity, give me 240/480hz+BFI or riot.
Does C2 not have it?
@@Trace153 it doesn't have it. That's why c1 is still the best motion clarity tv even g3 can't touch it.
The raised blacks due to light may not be a concern for others but it is for me. It would be better than an ips probably but why am I getting an oled if it looks like a va panel if the room is not completely dark? On my C2 the blacks are perfect all the time. Just feels like a step backwards. We already lost BFI at 120hz from the C1 to the C2 and now this.
I concur. Happy with Lgc1 77. I want an 83-inch Oled next. Guess I will wait 3 years for it.
Can you review 77s90c? Is it same panel as s95c?
+1. It would be really good to know how 77 inch s90c and s95c compares.
So does LG next year try QD oleds? What you think or do they just stay with the MLA
LG G4 better MLA can't save WOLED
Does peak brightness matter if you never have the TV at full brightness? If I watch in a darker room anyways, why would I care about peak nits.
Yes, especially for HDR.
@@Arthzul cause even if my brightness is around 65, the panel will still use the full range for HDR if needed? Thought so but never bothered to look into it.
@@brandonklemets2958 in HDR on LG oled the settings Oled Pixel brightness and Contrast should be maxed out in HDR.
Basically HDR keeps bright spots bright and dark is dark without washing out the entire picture which SDR does.
Im sure someone here can delve deeper into the technicals.
Check out his other video from 2years ago about peak brightness th-cam.com/video/XPzM3NDGuSc/w-d-xo.html
Most movies are mastered with 1,000 nit ... to not have tone mapping involved you need the capability of at least these 1,000 nit from your tv !
Btw ... HDR is NOT brighter than SDR ... in most cases it's darker !
Although HDR is in it's 7th year, many people seem to be still stuck in SDR times ... thinking HDR does brighter pictures.
It's all about the contrast RANGE which is mastered between 0 and 1,000 nit (SDR: 0 to 100 nit) ... these 1,000 nit you will only see with few small specular highlights ... the majority of the movie in avg. is darker than the SDR version and the SDR settings used most...
U didnt tell us anything, about raised blacks lg g3, when your room light is on😂
DTS support is back! Though I will wait for C4 next year, hopefully it has the MLA panel and heatsink the G3 has. 77 inch G3 is pretty expensive at the moment.
Disappointing that this amazing tech wont be in the C3 line of the LG OLEDS for 2023
Yea, I would for sure got the C3. I have heard almost 0 hype for it. So getting a C277, and will check back next year or year after.
@@Trace153 There's not much hype because people know what to expect at this point. It's basically a C2 with a somewhat better processor. With all this new tech coming out at the flagship end, no one is as excited for the normal stuff. Realistically though, the C3 will still be one of the most popular TVs of 2023.
MLA has same problem as heatsink It does not come down in price, like electronics does!
So no these is C line ever.
My LG OLED G3 77" is on it's way , my upgrade from a C7 55", WOOHOO
congrats
@@junior-OG thank you very excited
I agree with you
@@stanko4922 Right on :)
how is it sir? after several months. does it handle near black better than your other tv?
Where did you get your TV stand for the G3?
The thoroughness of your TV reviews has yet to be matched on TH-cam. For the past several months, I've had my eyes on Sony's upcoming A95L for my living room TV, but damn, the G3 might swoop in and take the W. That color accuracy chart knocked my socks off. Sub-1.0 delta error at MOST? Shockingly good.
I would recommend Sony still because most of our viewing habits are in low bitrates from streaming services. The blocky videos is very noticeable on a 77incher.
GoogleTV vs WebOs is a big part of that consideration for me though and so the Sony will always be the tempting option. If it comes in at over a grand more than the G3 though I may well switch to LG this year.
As I’m very happy with my X95J , I thought I’d be firmly choosing the A95L with maybe a slight consideration of Panasonic . But now the LG G3 is also something I’m considering .. i thought choosing TVs was supposed to get easier 😂
@Bzake This... ☝️☝️☝️
Bullshit, he's pulled the wool over people's eyes for years over motion, knows fuck all about the importance of gaming and clarity.
6:25 This looks very bad, I find all factory settings are bad on LG C3, black levels are so crushed, so many lost details in shadows at 0.5%, up to even 3%
That is main OLED problem. I ran "Black Level Screen Monitor TV Test Pattern" and configured it a bit better, to be able to see details in shadow (up to 0.5%). Settings are Gamma 2.2, black level 52-54, all other settings mostly off.
Your comments about how QD OLEDs exceed the reference benchmarks, is why you’re the best reviewer in the game. My money would go towards the G3 if the game mode brightness/color differences were updated
It would be wonderful if you could compare the upscaler of the current Oled Tvs with the older models. I have for example a C9 77".
It would be very interesting how much of a difference the newer alpha 9 processors make. (Maybe they make even SD content watchable 🙉)
The definitive review 🙏
Thanks vinnie boy, superb review as normal !
@HDTVTEST Vincent, seeing this comparison, I can't help but wonder what is your initial impression of the S90C? It seems crazy to me that it is priced similarly to the C series LG oleds, and yet can go over 1000 nits and looks great even next to HX310 and G3.
Check out ratings durability test. The Samsung qd oleds started showing signs of burn in after a year of simulated use
@Brokenwrench I saw it and I would still buy qd-oled. I rarely watch tv channels, the content I watch is varied. CNN 10 hours a day - cmon. Check the update on that test from yesterday - they reported that all oleds are now showing signs of burn in. And just fyi - I currently own LG CX and I'm looking for a big HDR upgrade.
@Matthew3533: Yes, the Samsung S90C seemed outstanding value without competition within its class.
I have an LG CX. Would it be worth upgrading to the G3?
G4 this year
This is the TV to get this year after seeing RTINGS QDOLED burn in results. I am hoping they roll this out to C4 next year.
I agree with you, but every OLED tv in that test has started to show burn in now. Just something to be careful about with any OLED TV.
Rtings test is not practical/realistic for many.
My almost 5 year old lg c8 has 17,542 hours on it if mostly gaming and it shows no signs of minimap or hud burn in
@@brokenwrench404 Same for my B7.. You just need to use common sense really.
@@livejames9374 It's their way of saying "you won't use TV this way so you won't get burnin this fast". But in reality, their test results is probably similar to someone using a TV heavily for many years, which is still a concern for most people as they don't buy a new TV every few years and will want to keep their old TV for as long as possible, even if for a 2nd TV in a different room. Having the peace of mind is still extremely important.
Hi, Vincent.
Did you ever thought about doing Q&A videos?
I have a theorical question for you:
Do you think MLA can improve the image quality in other types of screen too? Like QD-Oled and QLed?
Hi Rhuann, hope you don’t mind a passive response. I’m no Vincent (not even close) but if you’re interested in other TH-camrs in the tv space, another one called “Stop the Fomo” had an engineer from Samsung Display on his channel recently and asked him a plethora of questions. One of them was “can MLA technology, also benefit QD-OLED?” The engineer’s answer was that it was ultimately, not necessary for QD-OLED due to QD-OLED being a “top emissive display technology” versus traditional WOLED technology that is “back emissive” I recommend hearing him explain it, I’m not smart enough to explain the distinction…but many people have had this same question for the industry (for good reason!) and I happen to hear this answer from someone pretty qualified. Let me know if you want me to link the video!
A friend of mine has one of those badass Samsun OLEDs. The image looks great but the poor soul had been watching it with the Soap Opera effect. I did my part and introduced him to filmmaker mode. I learned about that from your videos. 😂 Thanks man.
Samsung watching this LG G3 review know their own confused Qled Oled range is toast😂
Clear Panic 😅
I hope they bring out 32 inch oled monitor
10th gen Oled and still no clean panels.. Still problems with dark scenes, shadow detail.. Flashing artifacts? But it is brighter..
LOL.... troll detected!!??
@@stanko4922 lg fanboy?
I'm gonna keep my C1 for as long as possible. Best tv I've ever bought and it was only 700$ brand new right before they launched the C2. Can't even look at an LCD panel anymore.
heh same,im still on c8.i upgrade when there come 240 hz oleds.
MR.. HDTVTEST SHOULD I USE THE BOOST MODE FOR RPG GAMES..
Excellent and thorough review.
My 77" LG G3 is on it's way (upgrading from a Sony Z9D)!
Those are some big shoes to fill coming from a Z9D
What country are you in?
@@thelarry383 indeed!
@DYAUS US. Ordered my TV from Value Electronics. Currently being calibrated before shipping.
@@noface24 gotcha! Makes perfect sense now. No one else has them hahaha
Calibrated my old C1 the other day to below 0.3dE average. Pretty happy with the TV for at least a few more generations. Hope they fix ABL auto dimming.
s95c will be the king of TVs in 2023.
lol no
1st place Sony A95L
2nd place Panasonic LZ2004
3rd place Samsung S95C
4th place LG G3 (being always at the losing end)
Ive been watching this guy do reviews for a long time and have enjoyed the detailed analysis but the cheap perverted comments he makes for example flash light inferring he does not mean something else are doing my head in (maybe he can make a comment about me using the word head ) anyway it’s a shame but I have to stop watching now
OMG i literally just got a 65 inch C2 in the sales and now this is EVEN BETTER ;_;
C series never was high-end.
So is Sony a95L gonna trump all, or LGs hard push in keeping up with competition is gonna be top 2023 tv. Let’s find out, in Autumn 🍂
The fact that they created a brighter display that doesn't support BFI @120 fps is such a bone headed mistake. BFI is the best way to improve motion clarity and is necessary for a next gen gaming experience. Leaving it out means that the CX and the C1 still offer the best experience for next gen gaming and at a much better value. Go figure!
This review is a downgrade compared to last. At " 10:09 " after he says "thanks again for your support" an "OK" is missing. That is really not okay Vincent.
Thanks for also testing DTS, seems that LG came back to their senses!!!
Is the problem of the Game Optimizer Mode disappearing whilst using Bluetooth headphones still persistant?
I really hope LG will make 42" and 48" PC monitors with these panels soon. I'm thinking about trying a C2, or something like a 48GQ900-B, but if there are new OLED's coming soon, maybe I should wait? I currently have a 38" ultrawide IPS panel.
the c3 isnt much of anything vs the C2. so i would do what i did... got myself a c2 42in. they are 900 brand new cause they are trying to clear inventory.
My guess is that the MLA panel will be on the C4 or C5. Usually need wait an extra generation or two for the new features on the G series to make their way to the C series.
Dude I love my C2. Definitely can't go wrong with it!
@@BrotherO4 I am nearsighted and struggle with font size even on my 38" ultrawide. I'm tempted to try a 48 OLED", but then people are also saying that OLED is not the best for text due to the pixel layout. I don't play games, nor do I run anything full-screen. I just want to be able to have 2 or 3 apps open and still have them big enough to see clearly. Contrast and color accuracy are also important. The backlight bleed on my IPS monitor bugs me sometimes.
@@Maxxarcade LG C and G series OLEDs are fine for text clarity. On my C1 text is perfect. There is actually a setting in the TV called "sharpness" that can affect text clarity, for PC use set it to 10 and text will look perfect.
I have the 55'' and only thought it was "too big" for a day. I have really bad myopia so I really like the larger screen since I can read most text with scaling at the default 100%.
My son managed to smash my 77CX with his Harry Potter wand.
Got the 77G3 on order. Would you mind posting a video update when the calibration software gets tweaked to support DV Game mode and the general fixes you mentioned LG were working on?
It would be nice not to have to calibrated twice :-)
Very nice to see competition heating up. The G3 looks very nice even in a youtube video. Not gonna lie I want to have it, although my BX is still more than good enough for me. It is absoloutely crazy to see the brightness almost tripled in a few years and LGs software + gaming features are still market leading. Holy shit this TV is the next evolution of Oled.
700 to 1400 is triple??
@@nattila7713 Ok, double. But some models back then did not even have 700 nits, but 500 to 600 like my BX.
@@geiers6013 you are absolutely correct!
Only TV & Monitor expert i trust before i buy any OLED/VA/IPS/LCD/QLED or even PLASMA screen xD
120hz BFI with finally enough brightness would have been a strong upgrade incentive. On CX it's just too dark.
You should comment on accuracy of game optimizer mode for us who prefer that for games too. It is always awful compared to other more accurate modes.
I’m coming from a c9 Also, I was really gonna buy this but I realize I love my picture so much and will be sitting so close that I don’t need a brighter tv, just bigger so I just pulled the trigger on a b2 (found a 77 inch for 1500) and will just be happy with the larger size
Currently own the G2 and love it. I can only imagine what the G3 looks like in person.
Downside of MLA is that the MLA layer will actually have issues with light refraction through the layer, which gives a grey tint to the screen like with QD-OLED (but probably not as bad). So yeah, in rooms with lights on (even if they are dim) you won't get the perfect blacks anymore to the naked eye. If it's a hindrance or not, or if it's mild enough that peak brightness wins over perfect blacks; that's something for each individual to decide.
For me it was already a thing I was expecting and after the prices for the 2023 series LG OLEDs were released I decided on the G2 as an upgrade for my B8. So far I do not regret it in the slightest.
Absolutely love my G2. There’s something about those glossy blacks and it sits in the middle of my living room in front of 6 large windows… the reason I chose an Oled is for the blacks otherwise it would look like a boring LCD. I still have a need for a gaming tv and the g3 is at the top. Will look further into this lifted black issue
@JBlakeS23 the G2 will be my last TV for a while now. Been through a few the past few years including Sony, LG and Vizio and will take an LG any day. How much better can a picture get? Seriously
@@JBlakeS23 German TH-camr @TecTracksHD did an item on it just 2 days ago. I don't know if he runs subs, but you should be able to follow along and watch the G2 and G3 compared to each other.
@@trapt29 8K obviously
Same sh1t. I stick with my cx, +6500 hours and flawless with no issues and ZERO burn in.
CX user here, surprised they still don't have 120hz BFI, albiet the gap to having this over the obvious improvement is getting harder to justify. Sooner or later the negatives will outweigh the positives, but those older sets are still nice. Would be good with getting any of those for a decent price. Good thing about LG is the yield finally payed off to consumers. Wonder if they'll eventually scrap the white pixel altogether and how that would look to the layout itself. Can't say in the biggest fan of how it is assembled, but to say it doesn't look anything short of amazing would be lying
So, what reasons would I have to upgrade from my OLED55B7A to the current model, or even to the CX? Keep in mind that the B7 is _more_ than bright enough for my purposes.
120hz? Couldn't imagine playing without that especially now, and the new AI GEN 3 processing capability onward is so unbelievably good especially now. This isn't a question if you're looking to do serious next generation content. The newest set of 2020 onward sync with both console device and the latest graphics cards to push high bandwidth of fidelity. On this alone, they're aren't really close. C9 is probably the oldest I'd justify, but at this point there is guaranteed slight burn in on those, and it really just doesn't stack up to the design of the CX or especially C1 / C2 / now C3 or S90C or any of the latest revision of Panasonic / Sony, even the VA offshoot or Mini-Led will undoubtedly surpass it based on scientific principle and capabilities, sorry
@@lfesky You know that image retention (AKA "burn-in") is a result of usage practices --- that it's not at all automatic? I have over 10,000 hours on my OLED55B7A used as a PC monitor with literally _zero_ image retention.
When I first got it, I had noticeable retention after only ~100 hours. I got rid of my desktop icons, changed the background from black to 50% white (i.e. grey), and most importantly reduced my OLED Light setting to '10'. After that, the image retention eventually disappeared.
Keep in mind that I use my OLED in a theatre-dark environment. Anyone who buys an OLED and uses it in a lighted environment is wasting his money, as he can't even perceive the benefits of OLED.
But again, I'm asking because it seems like the only thing people are interested in is brightness, when brightness is not even close to the main problem unless a person is foolishly trying to watch movies or play video games in a lighted environment. That kind of person should be buying an LCD. Anyone who is serious about image quality and/or immersion does his viewing in a theatre-dark environment.
@@lfesky Corporations really have you people by the balls.
No 120HZ BFI no buy. Lucky that just means that I can enjoy my current OLED with no fomo for now. One thing I don't understand is why they can't use this higher peak brightness to make BFI great. Here's my napkin algorithm: for any pixel, if it's less than half of the panels peak brightness, run it at double brightness and black it out on the alternate frame. If it's over half of peak brightness, don't black it out next frame. This should give us equivalent brightness, and we'd get "stop and hold motion blur" on only the pixels that corresponded to bright highlights (still, will I notice if fine detail on the pixels that are the sun in the sky are smearing on a horizontal pan as much as the rocks on the ground? probably not)
Great review as always, Vincent!
Do you think it’ll ever be possible to fully resolve the VRR gamma shift issue on OLED panels?
@Evernote: Unlikely. It's just not important enough in an already niche use-case for manufacturers to spend time and money developing solutions to fix it.
Thank you SO much for taking the time to get back to me Vincent. You’re an absolute legend.
Though I do wish you’d have said yes. As an owner of a LG CX OLED which I use as a monitor the VRR flicker/gamma shift gave me buyers remorse as I appear to be quite sensitive to it. Fine tuning the dark areas has no to little effect either which is a real shame.
Would a Micro-LED display exhibit less noticeable flicker I wonder..?
@@hdtvtest what is the setting for Oled Pixel Brightness?
I have the G3 at home and at the moment I have it set to 80 which is way too bright.
Please give me the correct settings
I have a question for Vincent. I have an lg c2 and I really have a hard time dealing with the HGIG dimming. I calibrated my ps5 with DTM on and I turned the black stabilizer down on the tv to 8 and white Stabilizer to 11. It looks better with no black crush and doesn’t look as over brightened. My question is, does that make the image anymore accurate?
But the G3 has reported to have raised blacks under lighting conditions. Thats not good at all and makes it more like an lcd rather than pure oled!
Just bought my 1st Oled tv a week ago after watching your videos, i didn't know what i was missing.. Thank you
Enjoy your oled my guy , is really game changer, oled is the future
Oh boy, so the G3 vs the A95k, what are your guy's thoughts on that? (65'')
Samsung display: “QD-OLED makes WOLED irrelevant”
LG: “5 year panel warranty go brrrr”
G3 can't even beat 2022 QD-OLED in terms of colors and uniformity. This is why Sony uses QD-OLED on A95L and not WOLED. Simple. QD-OLED is better.
Great review, thanks! Looking forward to the Sony A95L review to decide on which one to pick up this year.
I love Vince’s flashlight!!
Man LG have knocked it out the park this year
Almost. No MLA on the 83”. Next year perhaps.
how is a brighter G2 amazing ? 😂Sony is probably laughing at this point, seeing how weak the competition is this year. Panasonic's MLA is way more "dangerous", they're the biggest nemesis.
@@TheAntifluencer They're just TV manufacturers, calm down dear. Sony isn't your wife.
But he is all about "Creators Intent" and most regular people think they are until actually have had a TV calibrated. I paid $300 once to do it on the G2 and will never again. Was such a waste, I love beautiful colors, not over board just a pop. He turns all enhancements off for the S90C and compares them. This seemed biased to me but could be just what he likes and would bet is not what regular people will the same.
Their tonemapping for HDR10 content is still unacceptable. As seen here, you have to deal with clipped whites on HDR4000 content or elevated/darkened mid tones. Sony tone mapping just targets the highlights to ensure that APL is preserved in the dark and mid tones, but highlights are toned down to preserve color detail. This is the only acceptable way to view HDR10 content on a consumer television, and LG cannot do that without external tonemapping control from a Panasonic UHD player or a PC using madvr.
Too bad about the 120hz bfi though, otherwise it sounds like a 10/10
If 120hz BFI is a must for you, you could look into getting a C1 or G1.
@@MistyKathrine but my friends all tease me if i dont have the latest one :(
I agree how are we going to judge qd oled color when it exceeds the benchmarks we are used to? I think it just shows us things we haven't seen before and that's not a bad thing. But we still have certain people pulling back its benefits Judy trying to get it to not have its advantages and try getting it to look like a wrgb oled even in the areas where it's benefits should be seen! That's not fair or right imo. Just because we seent used to it doesn't mean it's bad. I like that you actually showed the reds still and didn't just take them away or undersaturate them just for a comparison. I've been seeing some others do that when comparing with wrgb oled and imo itsnot right. We should be accepting of the new color volume and realize soon enough those will be accepted and it's something we can finally see instead of taking it away. To most consumers they will enjoy fhat extra color volume and I'm almost positive it's got just enough extra to now matching the professional monitors instead of being slightly under.
@hdtvtest thank's for your amazing work. I bought 77" Lg G3 and I'm waiting to receive it on next wednesday, but I'm concerned about brightness and colours saturation in Game mode. When will you be able to review the Samsung S95C as well, so we can have a direct comparison above the two tvs?
Thank you so much.
Thank you for the review. I'm very glad they have added back DTS decoding/pass-through as this was a major issue with my blu-rays and 4k discs. I cannot see a mention of whether they have finally addressed the lack of Wi-Fi 6 in the UK, or have implemented Gigabit Ethernet or USB 3.x (this is particular important when using the TV's built in apps).
You do NOT need Gigabit Ethernet for built-in streaming apps.
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@@PSYCHOV3N0M First, I don't think Vincent agrees: th-cam.com/video/PIef8iRZhLEh/w-d-xo.htmlttps://th-cam.com/video/PIef8iRZhLE/w-d-xo.html
Secondly, 4k blu-rays are up to 128 Mbps... and if you are using the upcoming release of Kodi for webOS to playback from your NAS you will appreciate the extra speed..
@@PSYCHOV3N0M tell that to Sony’s tvs whose Bravia Core streaming service needs around 130mb to get the maximum quality…
At this point there is no valid excuse for tv manufacturers to not offer 1gb ethernet…
@@JaviXCdr Unfortunately they are forcing people to use wifi rather than Ethernet for something as niche as Bravia core. The alternative is purchasing a USB to Ethernet dongle from Amazon that costs 14 bucks and will get you up to 300Mbps I think if the USB port is 2.0 and more if it's 3.0.
Im happy with my Panasonic plasma.
So far you are selling me on getting a G3 this year.
How many people bitch about the Samsung frame not having feet? The G is for gallery, it’s meant to be wall mounted
The Frame isn't Samsung's most advanced display for image quality. You're making a false comparison. People would be upset if Samsungs flagship 8k television didn't have a stand because it's a tv and a tv should have a stand. LG shouldn't restrict their best display technology to a lifestyle model plain and simple.
Been eagerly awaiting this review. 😍
Vincent continues to deliver the facts! Thank you for all of your hard work, and what you provide to our community and enthusiasts!
Really loved the review....With the color desaturation in game optomizer is it best to just not use game optomizer and just hard clip the console at 1500 nits to preserve the full color? Or Is it noticeable if you playin game optomizer? I play cod every now and then but I value picture over low latency. They should provide a toggle between low latency and picture quality with that
Thats why qd oled is superior as you get the black levels and the colour in game mode
First. Many greetings from Germany, Vincent ☺️
Thank you for the wonderful review. Looks like they made some massive image quality improvements in all areas this year. My last two TV's have been LG OLEDs and it looks like I will be sticking with them. Hopefully I can hold out for the the LG G4 :)
Have you ever used a B7 series display?
@@bricaaron3978 No, I have a LG C9 and LG G2
@@geoffreybassett6741 Oh, O.K. I was hoping that you might have experienced the improvements from the B7 series through the latest models.
It's very frustrating that post-CRT technology is still riddled with compromises, and back-and-forth on certain capabilities from version to version.
G4 if doesn't have QD OLED it be same G3
Not to have true black is a dealbreaker for me..
Not worth it over the g1 until they bring back 120hz bfi sadly, especially a shame since the g3 seems to have the brightness headroom for it :/
Is the upscaling improved to give tough competition to X1 Ultimate or XR processing?
I'll admit that I'm not glad that I ended up turning off ABL on my 65" C1, but frankly, I had to do it. We kept running into issues with games with a dark palette being rendered nearly unplayable when the screen would dim because it just didn't pick up on enough movement. Sometimes, you could try to fix it by opening a brighter game element (menu, etc.), but that didn't always work. Awkwardly, and maybe this is due to SDR vs HDR, I haven't really had an issue on my 42" C2 that I use as a computer monitor as I've left ABL turned on, or maybe the C2 just isn't so aggressive about it compared to its predecessor.
Did they not fix that recently?
@@jstarproductions7335 I haven't heard one way or the other. I'm not sure if LG makes patch notes available, but I do keep the C1 up to date.
@@shinaikouka ok thank you, I can get a 55 inch c1 with a 5 year warranty in the UK for £799, would you say that's worth?
@@jstarproductions7335 buy it.
Any news about a new generation of UHD OLED 120 Hz computer monitors with MLA? Looking for something like a ASUS ROG Swift PG48UQ that not only has HDMI 2.1 but also DisplayPort inputs.
Given what happened with HDMI 2.1 48Gbps (present on the C9, ditched on CX and C1 where it was limited to 40Gbps, and back on the C2) and DTS (present on C9, ditched on CX,C1 and C2, back on C3) i think BFI 120hz could be back in the future. It was the most useful feature introduced in 2021.
*"...ditched on CX and C1 where it was limited to 40Gbps, and back on the C1..."*
Hmmm?
@@bricaaron3978 Typo, C2. Too many numbers!
@@hbjigcc You corrected your comment --- that's all that matters, lol.
Had to pause everything to check this video out.
LG G3 is the clear choice for gamers and Dolby Vision enjoyers
C2 ist perfect enough.
@@MertScorpion96 unless you want 70% increase in contrast
@@demonslayer9016 wtf you talking about? The C2 is one of the perfect gaming TVs of 2022.
It doesn't have 120hz BFI, c1 has half the motion persistence of this! No way is it a clear choice at all
@@GFClocked True.
Do you have any idea if TVs like xh90 will get the new gaming features like crosshairs? If not which newer sony tv will be better for ps5. Thanks
Very nice 👍🏼
Looking forward to getting an LG G3 to replace my oldest OLED, a 65” C9, which has been an excellent TV these past 3+ years.
I am doing the same thing - 65C9 to 77G3 - c9 was great
If your TV still works there's no reason to upgrade. Next year a better TV will come out and this one will be cheaper.
I would wait 1 more year to see what qd oled can do
Same here dude , running a 65" C9. Hoping to go 77" g3
Now we replace TV's like phones .
Recently Got My Refund check from LG Only took 1 month to come 1100 miles but I got it. Still don't understand Why you just couldn't credit my Card??? Or better yet just exchange the FLAWED monitor for the LG 240Hz one I had to buy to replace it??? I sent my 65 inch OLED back BTW LG NEVER AGAIN Worst 1st time Customer experience I ever had.
Great reviews as usual. Glad to see LG still kicking ass.. I'm looking forward to replacing my LG 65" B7. Too bad the MLA is only in G3 as I can't justify the price of 77-83" and G3 quality.. Could pickup a 2022 model later I guess too.
MLA is not in 83" so just go for the 77" if you want that big display
@@mrcharles3061 Yeah I know but still can't justify it. I need to change my golf clubs first. :) I buy good quality and use stuff long term..
@@VoodooZ I have the 65" C2 and it's really amazing, but I think I might get suckered into getting the 65" G3. Not that I have endless amounts of money so in reality it's stupid to spend the $$ but I don't know....I'm really thinking about lol Some one offered me $800 for mine which is really good when selling older TV's. Well mine hasn't been out long so not old but they never have good resale value.
@@wombat5252 I don't see the advantages of upgrading to same size for me. differences are minute.. But if you have the cash...
@@VoodooZ The G3 is so nice and bright though and with the heatsink. MLA isn't in the 83" I thought? You could go with the 77" G3, that would be more of an upgrade for you because you have an older B7. Less for me since I have the C2 but there would be a difference. ALSO the G3 are now coming with a 5 year warranty even for burn in...that's what I REALLY like. But yeah the price is high, if you like golfing more then go with that. Lol
TV's in the next few years are going to get really good
13:36 "No BFI"
What does pixel aperture ratio have to do with BFI?
OLED inherently can do BFI at any frequecy, I'm surprised all OLED makers don't automatically have 1ms BFI by default in all modes just to provide some amount of frame separation.
At the brightness of the G3 there is no question I would gladly sacrifice 10% brightness for enhanced motion clarity.
I want to know this too. I would never buy a TV that doesn't support 120hz BFI. Luckily my X95K support both 100hz and 120hz BFI. But if I were to eventually go to an OLED this is a super important feature as once you've tried it with a capable RTX 4090 it's no going back.
@@SuperemeRed LG C1 and G1 have 120hz BFI. For some reason they went to just 60hz BFI after 2021.
@@MistyKathrine I have the C1 but I almost never use BFI because it's not compatible with VRR, we need BFI to be a universal toggle that works with all modes.
@@budthecyborg4575 I stopped using VRR after I upgraded my GPU. Besides I mostly play RPGs and most of them can't go over 60FPS let alone 120.
isnt more than 10%?
Just bought a Sony A95k a couple months ago and I'm already getting fomo lol
Great content as always! Would love to see a 77in vs 83in G3 comparison at some point. Rather not wait another year for an 83in with MLA, so would love to know how close they are.
yoi cant show 500 lumen diff via yt. just like you cant show what extra 6" means.
Incredible LG has done a great job ,great review can't to see Panasonic MZ2000 MLA review , I have the LZ2000 and the A95k and my opinion it has the best image in my house , I had the s95b tooki it back to store 3 times because of issues, bought the LZ2000 and see why it beat the s95b in the hdtv tv shoot out And barely got beaten by the A95k.
Yeah I picked the LZ2000 over the A95K what incredible TVs
Thanks for your excellent evaluation of the G3. The introduction of MicroLens Array technology definitely places the G3 at a prime spot on my wish list. Before I decide to make any purchase I'll be waiting to see the discounts on 2023 TVs during Black Friday sales this November and December. All the flagship models from major manufacturers will have been released and fully reviewed by that time. I can practice a little patience if it means that I'll have a broader range of choices as well as lower prices that will offer me a good bang-for-the-buck deal.