@@zimoy.701 Nope. He was obese because 1. He saw no reason to refrain from indulging himself. 2. He enjoyed offending people and saw that they were offended by his weight. So he kept on being a glutton. Win-win for him. He was never cursed with any disease. That's nuDune bulshit.
I’ve been craving more Dune as soon as part 1 of the latest film ended, especially since I wasn’t aware it was going to be divided into 2. I was literally at the edge of my seat right before the credits rolled. So for now, your channel has been filling that void, and for that I am thankful.
Denis is arguably the greatest working director of today, yet his aura is subdued, almost like, we his audience don't fully appreciate what's happening before our eyes.. history will be good the man, that's for sure..
I always thought that it was Duke Leto Atriedes that messed up the Bene Gesserit breeding program, by giving Paul resistance to Bene Gesserit control. One awesome skill that you missed was the fact that Paul was "triple specced". He received Bene Gesserit training from his mom ... and Duke Leto had started him in Mentat training from a very young age. The Mentat training combined with massive spice intake basically made him a Navigator (precongnition). Paul did not realize he was getting Mentat training (as was the custom). I think the Mentat training messed everything up, it gave Paul the ability to calculate which path he needed to take.
@@aurelmatthews4164 yes I think supposedly Paul could have but since he was ultra depresso by the end of his war he pussied out knowing his son would take up the mantle or what I think the reason he resembled the Kwizatch Hatarak was due to his Mentat training because normally he was only able to see fragments of the future or possible futures but due to his advanced brain calculations he was able to have a more focused view of the future
Alia was one of my favorite atreides family members. Having just read the books I really wanted Alia to overcome her memories. She didn't have any choice about her birth and the powers that came with it. I was really bummed when she threw herself off the citadel. I wanted her standing beside Leto and Paul in the end.
I have now officially watched enough of your videos to say, that as a Dune super-mega-fan, and as someone who has watched dozens of Dune videos from at least five different creators: yours are without doubt my favorites so far. I dig your opening music, your powers of voice (I had to), but most of all the obvious fact that you clearly know the books well. Thank you for making your content. I’m re-reading again, because dear Frank said we should, and damn he was right. You get a little older and read Dune again, and you catch something you have read dozens of times, but now on a new light. I love it so much. And as I prepare myself (mentally and emotionally mostly) for this newest film adaptation, my perfect evening is a good tea, a couple of your vids, and then reading until I pass out. Thank you!
This video was so good, I didn’t want it to end!! Watching all these videos have made me realize the immense size of the story of Dune. I truly hope they make more films and/or series even after Villanueve’s part 2. And I pray they get the right people to adapt it as well.
The members of house atriedes alwsys led by example and inspired fanatical devotion into their troops which is why the house became so powerful. They valued what their subordinates thought and made sure they had the best training and education.
in an early herbert short story, the atreides ancestor and harkonnen ancestor were initially the best of friends during the butlerian jihad, but the bad blood began when vorian atreides allowed xavier harkonnen to be seen as the traitor after he killed (along with himself) the true traitor, a revered primarch iblis who was actually using attacks by the machines on human settlements as cover to harvest organs for the tlulax (the early tleilaxu).
So the Atreides’ ancestor was in the wrong. Interesting. Relatively new to the series but they’d put forth a pretty black-and-white dichotomy between the two houses.
@@FreemanicParacusiaI think that he was in the wrong and he could have easily avoided starting the feud, but it's definitely not black and white, there were a lot of circumstances surrounding it.
I'll have to re-read the second book! I didn't realize Leto II stopped the de-desertification of Dune. I thought, at a future point, Dune had been tera formed except for a small area that was kept desert to preserve the sand worms. When Leto II is killed, the sand trout that had infected his body to make him the sand worm / human hybrid, leave his body, and make Dune a desert again.
Yep he destroyed the water qanats to slow down the Fremen's terraforming efforts. Leto needed more time to "work out the path" so he destroyed the qanats to reverse or set back the terraforming. After his death the sand trout would bring it back to full desert.
Nerd Cookies is right that when Leto II first took over he destroyed the qanats reversing the terraforming for a time but after 3500 years of his rule in God Emperor of Dune Arrakis was terraformed with running water and all the worms were gone. He himself maintained a large desert area around his palace and he alone kept a secret store of the spice melange which he parsimoniously doled out to keep a hold on the various factions. When he was assassinated it was his water death that released the sand trout from his dying body that once again would begin the desertification of Arrakis. The future worms would contain a pearl of his essence within each of them.
@@hucklebuck411 yeah though he considered that him being trapped aware and conscious in every sandworm verry tortourous but a price he was willing to pay for humanity's future surival
Or the fact that the Bene Gesserit plan actually seemed to focus more on the Harkonnen's than on the Atreides. Jessica, the baron's daughter, was to produce a daughter with Duke Leto that would have been inbred to her first cousin Feyd-Ruatha Harkonnen. Meaning that their plan ultimately assumed a predominantly Harkonnen Kwisatz Haderach.
@@daniels7907 which would've been weaker and easier to control. The Atreides genes being in the ascendancy lead to Paul who they couldn't control... And you don't know how far back this goes. You're talking about a couple of generations. It may be predominantly Atreides and these are the final.steps. This is been a loooooong time in the making.
@@jpgduff - Actually, it's quite explicit that the breeding program spanned the Landsraad and the Bene Gesserit. Atreides and Harkonnen were just the two most crucial lineages. We also know that Duke Leto was a cousin of Emperor Shaddam IV. But the culmination of the plan assumed an Atreides daughter marrying the male heir of Harkonnen. That actually did happen, only in reverse. Jessica was a Harkonnen by birth and Leto was the Atreides heir. How controllable the Kwisatz Haderach would be had less to do with genes than with how they were managed. After all, Jessica herself proved that Harkonnen genes do not make one any more obedient. The real issue was the odd and ill-considered absence of more Bene Gesserit operatives in both Houses. They seemed unprepared to manage members of either House. Consider that it took them 15 years to get around to giving Paul a close-up examination.
Houses attack each other all the time. They have their own spaceships and can hire guild members for raids and wars but costs are highly inflated for these activities. The Harkonnens spend 60 years of profits on the war effort against the Atreides.
@ClaytonKickflip the Guild charges HUGE payments to move military forces. Most attacks between Houses is by Assassins or small groups of elite soldiers doing raids. Keeps the peace and makes sure the Houses that can't keep it low key end up going bankrupt. Houses that break the rules can be embargoes, which means they can't travel off planet at all.
Their contingency was to win over and recruit the fremen and train them to be superior to Sardaukar. They underestimated the willingness to expend, particularly from the famously tight fisted Harkonnen, the resources needed to act much, much more quickly than Thufir calculated.
the prequel, yes? from what I heard the prequel books itself (written by original writter's son) sometimes contradict with the original, about continuity/date/year error.
Your narration is like having a high priestess or Delphic Oracle prepare the masses for a large-scale initiation into a new mystery school based on Herbert’s Homer/Herodotus-like modern mythology. Thank you.
The original 5 were all I could handle, and I only read #2-5 out of shame. Honestly, the original novel satisfied me. In the same way, the original Matrix was complete in its beginning; we didn’t need someone to show us what happened next, we needed to take the vision into our own world!
I feel that the Atreides(( most especially, but exclusively Paulos, Leto-I, and Paul )) might(( in good faith ))embody Plato's suggestion of what he considered an ideal ruler: a sort of philosopher-king.... Edit:: I omitted Leto-II simply because for all intents and purposes, he transcended Plato's (?purported?) ideal envisioning
I love your videos. Your research and your delivery is absolutely brilliant and wonderfully evocative however I simply can't bring myself to think of the expanded universe as cannon. I'm sure his son and Kevin J Anderson didn't set out to ruin the series but in my personal opinion that's just what they did.
You are wrong. The Brian Herbert books are not fan fiction. They are canon. He is a writer, the son of Frank Herbert, Inherenter of the estate, and found notes after his father died concerning the future of the saga. There is no reason to think that his son is lying. To say so is a cynical view. And if he is, then I guess Frank didn't set a good example as a father. I don't believe that would be so. Sure, Brian Herbert is not as good a writer, but so what. He added to the universe and completed the series in a satisfying way.
@@A_Few_Thoughts Wow, Whoa there pickle. I dont know what you were reading in my previous post but I was putting down my opinion about those books. Thats my opinion the same as yours, something that everyone is entitled too. At no point did I say or claim his son is lying, I didnt even mention that so to call me cynical is also strange. I simply put that in my view I dont consider them cannon and I feel they are very bad and damaged the series. Thats not accusing anyone of anything. How I read my books doesnt effect anyone else but if it offended you, my apologies.
@@seano4977 when the issue of the Dune notes comes up a lot of people immediately conclude that Brian Herbert is lying about that to gain more credibility for his own Dune books and to make more money, that's often been my experience. I guess I was just anticipating that argument, if not from you than from someone else. I was just trying to preempt it.
The legend stated that the Atreides family came from a noble family that originated in Greece on Earth, and that they rose to prominence during the Butlerian Jihad. House Atreides specifically claimed descent from King Agamemnon, a son of Atreus, in Greek mythology.
What happened to Caladan? Does anyone of The Dune written books explain what happened to the Atriedes home planet after they were almost wiped out by the Harkonnen?
Nobody really knows what happened to Vorian, he just disappears. He was practically immortal because of the treatment that Agamemnon (his father) gave to him. He aged but pretty slowly; He could of lingered around for a thousand years or so, gradually nudging his family line. A great topic might be how Vorian had children/ grandchildren in the Suk school and The Guild. I would like to know more about the relationship that the Atreides had with house Versius (IX).
In Frank Herbert's (not his son), it was mentioned that House Atreides is the successor of House Atreus from Greek Mythology and ancient history. Unfortunately, it was a cursed house as members such as the Greek King Agamemnon of Mycenae (Iliad) was murdered by his wife and her lover. Agamemnon's son Orestes took revenge and murdered his mother and her lover. For matricide, Orestes was cursed by the gods. In some versions of the story, nothing happened to him and in others he was acquitted by the goddess Athena. In the Dune series, Paul and his children were cursed. The God Emperor's Golden Path was to break the curse and to allow humanity to survive/evolve, unfortunately it wasn't peaceful as the Honored Matres (remnants of the Fish Speakers, Bene Gesserit, and Tleilaxu females) from the Scattering wreaked havoc. It's interesting that the Hawk symbol was used in Dune when the traditional symbol of House Atreus and Mycenae were a pair of Lionesses. The Lions Gate is a famous landmark as it was set at the main entrance of the royal House Atreus citadel at Mycenae. Around 1250 BC, European lions were common in Greece. And to add another twist, the descendants of House Atreus and future House Atreides are living in Greece today. When the DNA of Cheddar Man who died 9,000 years ago in what is now England was sequenced, his descendants were found living in the area.
Orestes murdered his mother and was subsequently punished by the gods for matricide. The unrelated mythological figure who married his mother and had children with her, was Oedipus.
Fun fact, the actual Atreus slaughtered, cooked and fed his nephews to his brother, Thyestes. This after their grandfather, Tantalus, killed and fed their father to the gods as tribute. That's just a drop in the bucket of weird Greek stuff. I'm not sure who is least impressed: Dune fans by the myths/tragedies or classicists by the Dune stuff.
I know very little about Dune. Watched the movie and liked it! I was confused by the bulls head that they brought with them to Arakkis. How interesting!
“ During this time, Paul’s enemies continued to plot against him leading to the poisoning and death of Chani.” Huh? Didn’t Chani die in childbirth, after she switched to a Fremen diet to get pregnant and Irulan could no longer sipke her food with contraceptive?
Yes but the years of absorbing the contraceptives left her body unable to survive the birth of her children as her body exhausts itself to carry on the pregnancy
In Greek legend the sons of Atreus brought the Hellenes to Greece. They are the 'Atreides'. Since Greek civilisation is considered the oldest in Europe, its Frank Herbert's way of marking the lineage of Paul's family.
Thank-you for another excellent upload. As a lifelong Dune fan I have relished every novel in the Frank Herbert series. I only sampled a few chapters from the expanded universe and found it wasn’t to my tastes but I have enjoyed the video interpretations and even played the video game. I genuinely enjoyed your précis of the main books up to God Emperor of Dune. Take care & stay safe. 🏜🪱🐉👍🏼📚
This thought is kind of related. I think that they used the word cursade instead of jihad in the trailer/movie because Paul is referring to the campaign against his family.
The Golden Path throws a series of philosophical, moral, and ethical questions and debates, absolutely immense and complex. Maybe we can relate, due the current estate of things, and how the elites are socially engineering the population. If someone has read the Rockefeller biography, he said some things...
None of the prequel information was written by Frank, he did write extensive notes which he intended to create a prequel series, but died before he could write it, his son and a collaborator, collected and wrote the 3 prequel novels, they are all brilliant, and i feel are as good as, if not even better than the original dune series.
The ancestors of the Atriedes was actually a high ranking Sadukar general who got his own planet to rule after subsequent victories and him being honourable
The WORM transformed Dune from desert to a more hospital planet Arrakis. When the WORM was assassinated and dissolved into a river the releasing the sand trout that transformed Arrakis back to the desert planet. Again, the LIVING WORM transformed a desert into a green vegetative planet and his DEATH began the transformation back into a desert.
I thought that Leto II continued with the Fremen terraforming making Arrakis a garden with the exception of a large desert area that he kept for himself. The world only started to revert to a desert after his death, which unleashed countless sandtrout and thereby returned both the desert and the worms to Dune.
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Duke Leto Atriedes understood the importance of desert power. Baron Vladimir Harkonnen understood the importance of dessert power. Nerd Cookies! 👊
Underrated comment!
LOL !!!!
House Corrino understood "The Spice is Nice." Lol
Fun fact, the Baron was morbidly obese because of an STD he contracted and only pretended to be a glutton afterwards to conceal the fact.
@@zimoy.701 Nope. He was obese because 1. He saw no reason to refrain from indulging himself. 2. He enjoyed offending people and saw that they were offended by his weight. So he kept on being a glutton. Win-win for him.
He was never cursed with any disease. That's nuDune bulshit.
I've been binging this series so hard for the last few days.
Same lol! Good work!
I’ve been on a marathon ever since I finished part 1 of the Dune movie just released. These videos are curbing my Dune cravings as I wait for part 2!!
Same
I’ve been craving more Dune as soon as part 1 of the latest film ended, especially since I wasn’t aware it was going to be divided into 2. I was literally at the edge of my seat right before the credits rolled. So for now, your channel has been filling that void, and for that I am thankful.
@Dusty Fred nope, but don’t worry, I know how much i must read them.
@Dusty Fred thanks. Will do.
Denis is arguably the greatest working director of today, yet his aura is subdued, almost like, we his audience don't fully appreciate what's happening before our eyes.. history will be good the man, that's for sure..
Three parts I hear now. Plus extended movie parts.
I always thought that it was Duke Leto Atriedes that messed up the Bene Gesserit breeding program, by giving Paul resistance to Bene Gesserit control. One awesome skill that you missed was the fact that Paul was "triple specced". He received Bene Gesserit training from his mom ... and Duke Leto had started him in Mentat training from a very young age. The Mentat training combined with massive spice intake basically made him a Navigator (precongnition). Paul did not realize he was getting Mentat training (as was the custom). I think the Mentat training messed everything up, it gave Paul the ability to calculate which path he needed to take.
This would back up the fact he wasn't the Kwasak Hatrack just seemed like it dude the increase mental calculations
@@jeambeam3173 So if Paul never was the Kwickwak Hoversack who was? Leto II?
@@aurelmatthews4164 yes I think supposedly Paul could have but since he was ultra depresso by the end of his war he pussied out knowing his son would take up the mantle or what I think the reason he resembled the Kwizatch Hatarak was due to his Mentat training because normally he was only able to see fragments of the future or possible futures but due to his advanced brain calculations he was able to have a more focused view of the future
@@aurelmatthews4164both
Alia was one of my favorite atreides family members. Having just read the books I really wanted Alia to overcome her memories. She didn't have any choice about her birth and the powers that came with it. I was really bummed when she threw herself off the citadel. I wanted her standing beside Leto and Paul in the end.
I agree, nobody wants to be born an abomination.
Interestingly, Alia served as Paul's Assassin. The reason this is interesting is because she was not a Mentat (that role having been filled by Paul).
Did Leto II marry his sister or did his sister marry a Carrino?
@@jezebulls Leto II 'married' his sister but it was for show only.
It was very unfortunate to see her do that but you are correct, she had no choice, it would have been better to see her overcome it all.
I have now officially watched enough of your videos to say, that as a Dune super-mega-fan, and as someone who has watched dozens of Dune videos from at least five different creators: yours are without doubt my favorites so far. I dig your opening music, your powers of voice (I had to), but most of all the obvious fact that you clearly know the books well. Thank you for making your content. I’m re-reading again, because dear Frank said we should, and damn he was right. You get a little older and read Dune again, and you catch something you have read dozens of times, but now on a new light. I love it so much. And as I prepare myself (mentally and emotionally mostly) for this newest film adaptation, my perfect evening is a good tea, a couple of your vids, and then reading until I pass out. Thank you!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your kind words and support!
This video was so good, I didn’t want it to end!! Watching all these videos have made me realize the immense size of the story of Dune. I truly hope they make more films and/or series even after Villanueve’s part 2. And I pray they get the right people to adapt it as well.
Same. I couldn't have said it better.
The members of house atriedes alwsys led by example and inspired fanatical devotion into their troops which is why the house became so powerful. They valued what their subordinates thought and made sure they had the best training and education.
in an early herbert short story, the atreides ancestor and harkonnen ancestor were initially the best of friends during the butlerian jihad, but the bad blood began when vorian atreides allowed xavier harkonnen to be seen as the traitor after he killed (along with himself) the true traitor, a revered primarch iblis who was actually using attacks by the machines on human settlements as cover to harvest organs for the tlulax (the early tleilaxu).
So the Atreides’ ancestor was in the wrong. Interesting. Relatively new to the series but they’d put forth a pretty black-and-white dichotomy between the two houses.
@@FreemanicParacusiaI think that he was in the wrong and he could have easily avoided starting the feud, but it's definitely not black and white, there were a lot of circumstances surrounding it.
I'll have to re-read the second book! I didn't realize Leto II stopped the de-desertification of Dune. I thought, at a future point, Dune had been tera formed except for a small area that was kept desert to preserve the sand worms. When Leto II is killed, the sand trout that had infected his body to make him the sand worm / human hybrid, leave his body, and make Dune a desert again.
Yep he destroyed the water qanats to slow down the Fremen's terraforming efforts. Leto needed more time to "work out the path" so he destroyed the qanats to reverse or set back the terraforming. After his death the sand trout would bring it back to full desert.
Nerd Cookies is right that when Leto II first took over he destroyed the qanats reversing the terraforming for a time but after 3500 years of his rule in God Emperor of Dune Arrakis was terraformed with running water and all the worms were gone. He himself maintained a large desert area around his palace and he alone kept a secret store of the spice melange which he parsimoniously doled out to keep a hold on the various factions. When he was assassinated it was his water death that released the sand trout from his dying body that once again would begin the desertification of Arrakis. The future worms would contain a pearl of his essence within each of them.
@@hucklebuck411 yeah though he considered that him being trapped aware and conscious in every sandworm verry tortourous but a price he was willing to pay for humanity's future surival
@@frankmontez6853 thats sacrifice
@@llianneolivoreyes gotta love those sci fi god emperors. They really like their sacrifices for the greater good.
Interesting fact, several key Atreides characters could not exist without House Harkonnen per the Bene Gesserit breeding program.
*Most
That's sort of the point of the breeding program.
Or the fact that the Bene Gesserit plan actually seemed to focus more on the Harkonnen's than on the Atreides. Jessica, the baron's daughter, was to produce a daughter with Duke Leto that would have been inbred to her first cousin Feyd-Ruatha Harkonnen. Meaning that their plan ultimately assumed a predominantly Harkonnen Kwisatz Haderach.
@@daniels7907 which would've been weaker and easier to control. The Atreides genes being in the ascendancy lead to Paul who they couldn't control...
And you don't know how far back this goes. You're talking about a couple of generations. It may be predominantly Atreides and these are the final.steps. This is been a loooooong time in the making.
@@jpgduff - Actually, it's quite explicit that the breeding program spanned the Landsraad and the Bene Gesserit. Atreides and Harkonnen were just the two most crucial lineages. We also know that Duke Leto was a cousin of Emperor Shaddam IV. But the culmination of the plan assumed an Atreides daughter marrying the male heir of Harkonnen. That actually did happen, only in reverse. Jessica was a Harkonnen by birth and Leto was the Atreides heir.
How controllable the Kwisatz Haderach would be had less to do with genes than with how they were managed. After all, Jessica herself proved that Harkonnen genes do not make one any more obedient. The real issue was the odd and ill-considered absence of more Bene Gesserit operatives in both Houses. They seemed unprepared to manage members of either House. Consider that it took them 15 years to get around to giving Paul a close-up examination.
fun fact, Atreides is a relatively common greek surname.
So is Harkonen a Finnish surname
@@robotube7361 very interesting! thanks for the info
I've read all the books but these deep dives give me information I may have missed. I love them.
Can you do a video of a comparison of Duke Leto and Baron Harkonnen? Showing their different styles of ruling.
Oooh... good idea
Basically it boils down to the Atreides lead by example with honour and the Harkonnens are pricks.
Thank you for that terrific breakdown of the timeline. You gave me a great understanding of the story
One thing that bugged me during the film: *House Atreides left Caladan for Arrakis with no word of a contigency plan.*
The space travel is run by the Spacing Guild and so travel is open for all. But there aren't any private spaceships as such
@@mandy28887 Is that why Houses don’t invade each other’s planets? The Guild won’t allow it or it’s just not a thing?
Houses attack each other all the time. They have their own spaceships and can hire guild members for raids and wars but costs are highly inflated for these activities. The Harkonnens spend 60 years of profits on the war effort against the Atreides.
@ClaytonKickflip the Guild charges HUGE payments to move military forces. Most attacks between Houses is by Assassins or small groups of elite soldiers doing raids. Keeps the peace and makes sure the Houses that can't keep it low key end up going bankrupt.
Houses that break the rules can be embargoes, which means they can't travel off planet at all.
Their contingency was to win over and recruit the fremen and train them to be superior to Sardaukar. They underestimated the willingness to expend, particularly from the famously tight fisted Harkonnen, the resources needed to act much, much more quickly than Thufir calculated.
My favorite books are the Caladan series (2 books not out yet) and House Atreides. Love the Atreides story and ethics.
We SO need a trilogy of movies about the war against the machines
the prequel, yes? from what I heard the prequel books itself (written by original writter's son) sometimes contradict with the original, about continuity/date/year error.
Sometimes leaving things to good ol’ imagination is good in itself. 🙂
Your narration is like having a high priestess or Delphic Oracle prepare the masses for a large-scale initiation into a new mystery school based on Herbert’s Homer/Herodotus-like modern mythology. Thank you.
I love that Oscar Isaacs beard has its own Twitter account
That's awesome. I'm not touching Twitter to find out if it's true. But that's awesome.
The Atreides house has one of my favorite actors in the cast!
08:00 - Crazy how that drawing of Paul reveals his likeness to Oscar Isaac, his father in the movie.
My mom said Paul looks like a young Poe Dammeron. Well turns out he kind of is. I did not recognize Oscar Isaac, but my mom did.
@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 it’s subtle, but the resemblance is there! Great casting job in my opinion.
Just watched the movie so decided to to look up the lore so im not lost when i rewatch the movie again as well for part 2.
You do a really good job with these histories of the Houses.
The original 5 were all I could handle, and I only read #2-5 out of shame. Honestly, the original novel satisfied me. In the same way, the original Matrix was complete in its beginning; we didn’t need someone to show us what happened next, we needed to take the vision into our own world!
I liked the original 5. I knew from the beginning I was never going to read the son's expanded universe
Imho the story largely ends with 4.
You need to at least read Messiah in order to decently realise what Dune is about.
As someone who has loved Dune since my teenage years, I love these videos. Please keep them going.
WooHoo! New vid! Appreciate the work you put in on these videos.
I hope the movies do great. I want to see god emperor on screen.
When I watched _X-Men: First Class_ I walked out of the theater thinking, "The guy that played Professor X, I know that guy from somewhere..."
Rob Harrison - you never saw him in StarTrek The Next Generation series??
@@samstuart-lyon8357 McAvoy, not Stewart
"the Atreidies breed loyalty."
yes they do.
Mann you're voice is so calming and I love Dune so much. I love listening to you're videos to help me get to sleep
I feel that the Atreides(( most especially, but exclusively Paulos, Leto-I, and Paul )) might(( in good faith ))embody Plato's suggestion of what he considered an ideal ruler: a sort of philosopher-king....
Edit:: I omitted Leto-II simply because for all intents and purposes, he transcended Plato's (?purported?) ideal envisioning
I would love to see a Duncan Idaho breakdown.
I love these vids. Thank you. Your voice is unbelievably soothing and gentle.
This was very informative and eloquently explained, thank you.
Just discovered your channel right after watching Dune 2021 and I've been bingeing all day!
I love your videos. Your research and your delivery is absolutely brilliant and wonderfully evocative however I simply can't bring myself to think of the expanded universe as cannon. I'm sure his son and Kevin J Anderson didn't set out to ruin the series but in my personal opinion that's just what they did.
You are wrong. The Brian Herbert books are not fan fiction. They are canon. He is a writer, the son of Frank Herbert, Inherenter of the estate, and found notes after his father died concerning the future of the saga. There is no reason to think that his son is lying. To say so is a cynical view. And if he is, then I guess Frank didn't set a good example as a father. I don't believe that would be so. Sure, Brian Herbert is not as good a writer, but so what. He added to the universe and completed the series in a satisfying way.
@@A_Few_Thoughts Wow, Whoa there pickle. I dont know what you were reading in my previous post but I was putting down my opinion about those books. Thats my opinion the same as yours, something that everyone is entitled too. At no point did I say or claim his son is lying, I didnt even mention that so to call me cynical is also strange. I simply put that in my view I dont consider them cannon and I feel they are very bad and damaged the series. Thats not accusing anyone of anything. How I read my books doesnt effect anyone else but if it offended you, my apologies.
@@seano4977 when the issue of the Dune notes comes up a lot of people immediately conclude that Brian Herbert is lying about that to gain more credibility for his own Dune books and to make more money, that's often been my experience. I guess I was just anticipating that argument, if not from you than from someone else. I was just trying to preempt it.
@@A_Few_Thoughts Fair enough Eric. I can understand that. One thing we can agree on is that we are Dune Brothers. Haha
@@seano4977 cool 👍
The legend stated that the Atreides family came from a noble family that originated in Greece on Earth, and that they rose to prominence during the Butlerian Jihad. House Atreides specifically claimed descent from King Agamemnon, a son of Atreus, in Greek mythology.
What happened to Caladan? Does anyone of The Dune written books explain what happened to the Atriedes home planet after they were almost wiped out by the Harkonnen?
Gurney Halleck takes over.
Nobody really knows what happened to Vorian, he just disappears. He was practically immortal because of the treatment that Agamemnon (his father) gave to him. He aged but pretty slowly; He could of lingered around for a thousand years or so, gradually nudging his family line.
A great topic might be how Vorian had children/ grandchildren in the Suk school and The Guild. I would like to know more about the relationship that the Atreides had with house Versius (IX).
The suk school, guild and bene gesseret ,all arose from totally different lines and groups, and would be very doubtful of any atradies connection.
My favorite Dune lore channel! (Quinns Ideas is good too.)
Great storytelling and a soothing voice
Lovely voice u have keep the dune lore coming please thank u
In Frank Herbert's (not his son), it was mentioned that House Atreides is the successor of House Atreus from Greek Mythology and ancient history. Unfortunately, it was a cursed house as members such as the Greek King Agamemnon of Mycenae (Iliad) was murdered by his wife and her lover. Agamemnon's son Orestes took revenge and murdered his mother and her lover. For matricide, Orestes was cursed by the gods. In some versions of the story, nothing happened to him and in others he was acquitted by the goddess Athena. In the Dune series, Paul and his children were cursed. The God Emperor's Golden Path was to break the curse and to allow humanity to survive/evolve, unfortunately it wasn't peaceful as the Honored Matres (remnants of the Fish Speakers, Bene Gesserit, and Tleilaxu females) from the Scattering wreaked havoc.
It's interesting that the Hawk symbol was used in Dune when the traditional symbol of House Atreus and Mycenae were a pair of Lionesses. The Lions Gate is a famous landmark as it was set at the main entrance of the royal House Atreus citadel at Mycenae. Around 1250 BC, European lions were common in Greece. And to add another twist, the descendants of House Atreus and future House Atreides are living in Greece today. When the DNA of Cheddar Man who died 9,000 years ago in what is now England was sequenced, his descendants were found living in the area.
Orestes murdered his mother and was subsequently punished by the gods for matricide. The unrelated mythological figure who married his mother and had children with her, was Oedipus.
@@Kenshin1549 You're right. My bad. Corrected.
Fun fact, the actual Atreus slaughtered, cooked and fed his nephews to his brother, Thyestes. This after their grandfather, Tantalus, killed and fed their father to the gods as tribute. That's just a drop in the bucket of weird Greek stuff. I'm not sure who is least impressed: Dune fans by the myths/tragedies or classicists by the Dune stuff.
@@Kenshin1549 He gets put on trial and pardoned. The "curse" is lifted, though if what happens in Dune is an indication it comes back.
leto did terraform arrakis, then when he died, the sandtrout in his body where unleashed, desertifying the planet once more.
For me it's the interplay & bond between Duke Leto & Gurney Halleck. It comes down to the simple issuance & return of respect.
Got me binge watching this with a Dune Encyclopedia in my hand. Still solid!
I know very little about Dune. Watched the movie and liked it! I was confused by the bulls head that they brought with them to Arakkis. How interesting!
You are "the voice"! Thanks for your content! I like the way you break down the houses, politics, and intrigue of Dune, thanks!
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Let's find out more about the "Old Duke Paul"!! 🤠👍
The Atreides house falls too. It falls after the Harkonnen and Corrino houses but it also falls.
“ During this time, Paul’s enemies continued to plot against him leading to the poisoning and death of Chani.” Huh? Didn’t Chani die in childbirth, after she switched to a Fremen diet to get pregnant and Irulan could no longer sipke her food with contraceptive?
Yep!
The contraceptives ensured that if she ended up giving birth after getting off them, she'd die.
Yes but the years of absorbing the contraceptives left her body unable to survive the birth of her children as her body exhausts itself to carry on the pregnancy
I always here how popular they were with other houses. None of the books show this in anyway
holy hell. If Kyle Malachlan had cameoed as Count Fenrig I would have soiled myself. great content as always.
You have an excellent voice for narration. Your voice has excellent timber and cadence. You have a bright future in this discipline.
Keep up the great work with the Dune videos!
Excellent, please expand the story out line to include prequels and out to Chapterhouse and beyond
Your the best. Now im ready to watch the movie after going through your DUNE playlist. Thank You.
This is some complicated lore. But I love learning about it.
The books all paint to a tragedy of a house that would perrish just being a great house or perish after it saves humanity.
I like this lady's voice. It's soothing. It isn't annoying. Good voice.
I've been binging your videos,I can't get enough
You know he is a villain when the actor portraying him also starred as Bluto
Such a wonderful actor, and wonderful person, he was though. Shame he died so young.
Awesome video! Thoroughly explained the lore!
In Greek legend the sons of Atreus brought the Hellenes to Greece. They are the 'Atreides'. Since Greek civilisation is considered the oldest in Europe, its Frank Herbert's way of marking the lineage of Paul's family.
Great overview of House Atreides (as always)....Thank You.
Your videos are better than their end product!
Doc Sloan's channel has a great vid on the Greek mythos roots of the curse of house Atraides.
Amazing! This was so awesome to hear
Thanks guys . Great subject. The subject really
Great video as always, Cookies :)
Thank-you for another excellent upload. As a lifelong Dune fan I have relished every novel in the Frank Herbert series. I only sampled a few chapters from the expanded universe and found it wasn’t to my tastes but I have enjoyed the video interpretations and even played the video game. I genuinely enjoyed your précis of the main books up to God Emperor of Dune. Take care & stay safe. 🏜🪱🐉👍🏼📚
This is why you don't let Kevin J Anderson anywhere near your franchise.
It's going to be very interesting how they do these films and I can't wait to see him.
With profound physical and mental powers and a flair for politics, the Bene Gesserit needed a Oedipus complex left unfulfilled.
This thought is kind of related.
I think that they used the word cursade instead of jihad in the trailer/movie because Paul is referring to the campaign against his family.
Your scripts (the narration) sounds very polished, like a team with some older writers did the editing. May I ask, who is that?
7:56 Love that still.
The Golden Path throws a series of philosophical, moral, and ethical questions and debates, absolutely immense and complex. Maybe we can relate, due the current estate of things, and how the elites are socially engineering the population. If someone has read the Rockefeller biography, he said some things...
Wow. I had no idea House Atreides was that sweeping and epic. Frank Herbert was both brilliant and cynical, I guess.
None of the prequel information was written by Frank, he did write extensive notes which he intended to create a prequel series, but died before he could write it, his son and a collaborator, collected and wrote the 3 prequel novels, they are all brilliant, and i feel are as good as, if not even better than the original dune series.
The end of House Atriedes strikes me as the comfort of a cool, crisp fall day.
The amount of ads on this 8 min video is insane
You always do a Great Job. Thank you
Sounds like This saga really gets out of control. I’ll be satisfied with the Movies stopping at book 1
There's bound to be some changes, Dune was far from the perfect saga. In fact certain portions felt forced. Lets see where the movies takes us
ya he is planing on going past book 1
Great info, beautiful voice 😍 subbed
love your narration.
Just think what the Bene Gesserit could have done with crisper cass-9 gene editing ,they could have had a Kwisatz Haderach in just a few years
Great video! 👌 thanks
But why keep the hiphop melody/tune at the beginning of every video?
Shes back boys!!
People watch Dune TV series.
Released early 2000's
thank you for the video. enjoyed your commentary.
Thanks, trying to understand these books!
Wish I'd heard all this before reading the books. Sometimes being lost can be fun... sometimes.
The ancestors of the Atriedes was actually a high ranking Sadukar general who got his own planet to rule after subsequent victories and him being honourable
It was Letos death (GE) that caused Arrakis to turn back into a desert planet with the release of the sandworms from his body wasnt it?
The WORM transformed Dune from desert to a more hospital planet Arrakis. When the WORM was assassinated and dissolved into a river the releasing the sand trout that transformed Arrakis back to the desert planet. Again, the LIVING WORM transformed a desert into a green vegetative planet and his DEATH began the transformation back into a desert.
Yes but Leto II did smash the water qanats to reverse the fremen's terraforming process and delay the extinction of the worms for a time.
@@NerdCookies Ah, you're focusing on a couple years of the devil and ignoring 3500 years of The Worm.
Solid video Ty.
Since I’ve only ever seen the recent movie, I’m gonna have to stop at 8:04… Great video tho 👍
I thought that Leto II continued with the Fremen terraforming making Arrakis a garden with the exception of a large desert area that he kept for himself. The world only started to revert to a desert after his death, which unleashed countless sandtrout and thereby returned both the desert and the worms to Dune.
He did. He had his little mini dessert that's it...rest of Rakis was covered
That is all interesting but I assume you have a battle pug video up coming due to the lack of reference here!😉
Your House either dies a heroic House or lives long enough to become the Villains