What I like about Lato 2 is the fact he took "Sometimes, you have to be the bad guy for everyone's sake." to heart. Something his father couldn't accept.
His father already found himself unintentionally becoming the villain. And with a bodycount of aproximately 60 billion and counting, its understandable why he would have a problem causing even further destruction. Especially to such a mind blowing degree. Leito's peace was built on innumerable killing fields, as well as an almost total supression of the collective human spirit. A heavy price to pay in order to save the human race. And Paul was horrified enough by the Jihad carried out in his name. When Leito kicked his plan into gear, his dad was already a broken man. From cynicism, grief over losing Chani, and probably also a lot of guilt. Also, wasnt Leito prescient ability far superior to Paul's? I got the impression that Paul couldnt see the Golden Path with the same clarity as Leito.
Yet ends up as creature more than what he once was. Sure, in the culture of Dune, Leto is seen as a god because sandworms are a force of nature to be respected but still....it's kinda gross. Especially when he gets into the mood for the breeding ritual. Still interested in the concept?!
What do you mean by 3000 Lifetimes? I mean he did have the memories of previous family members and all those of the BG Religion and could see the future of humanity (Golden Path) that his death would bring about but it was the Ghola Duncan Idaho who was brought back to life thousands of times throughout the entire story. Is the only character that's in every book, but was only the final ghola created that had the ability to see every past life (and death) he had lived. He had the memory of Millions but only lived one lifetime and died a virgin. LOL
@@b.a.grissom4761 Leto II has perfect recall of every detail of every life within his consciousness. He can go back in his mind space and relive any detail from those lives. Duncan on the other hand only gets to keep his experiences from his 1 life and he get to live that version of himself over and over again. Leto's depth of experience is an ocean to Duncan's dew drop.
Leto II's stated goal was to "teach humanity a lesson that they will remember in their bones": that sheltered safety was tantamount to utter death, however long it would be delayed.
@Bitterkind "Thou shalt not disfigure the soul" why say this? Why is it not mere "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind"? Because even that goes back to the supreme commandment. Anything that weaken it is "disfiguring the soul", be it a thinking machine or the cruelty of the cosmo. Thus it's up to human to unweaken it. From one self, to family, to the region, to the planet, and to the entire race. In a way - and despite the term of souls, ancestral memory etc, I consider that the ideal held in universe is similar (but not quite) of existentialism. "Existence precedes essence", which arise from understanding human beings does not possess any inherent identity or value - thus they must create their own.
@@Bitterkind he values humanity as a hole, he sees humanity kind as a single organism, a continuum of from the distant past to potentially eternity. Given is unique existence as piratically a hive mind collective encompassing a unbroken chain from his birth to the "first" human because of his complete access to genetic memory of all of his ancestors. He sees that chain as something beautiful and special, that gives meaning to the universe. He saw that chain being broken, humanity being extinguished. It's not explicit said at least until the fourth book (still reading the last two), but it's heavily implied that if nothing was done humanity (or the Ixians) would create thinking machines again and they would do the machine apocalipse in the entire universe. The golden path as explained at least until the fourth book was a to prevent this from ever happening, by spreading humanity to so much that there would always be some human alive (he accomplished this by stagnating humanity so much that driven by the desperation of the empire collapse after his death people extincts to explore, find the new, be surprised, etc would carry them to the farthest reach of space after being locked in medieval lives in a single planet for 3000 years), and create a bread of humans that are invisible to prescience and thous could hid from oracles human or mechanized, also giving truly free will to escape the case of seeing the future he and his father faced (seeing the possibilities you luck yourself into a path, because you judge it the only acceptable path).
"One of us had to accept the agony. He was always the stronger. History is written on the sands of Arrakis. A chapter has ended, swept away by the whirlwind. One door has closed but another has opened and on the other side... our future" Ghanima
I love the children of dune miniseries that portrayed the first stages of the transformation. The cgi wasnt all that but seeing James McAvoy sprint around the desert like the flash was awesome.
The mini series was brilliant, imo. Both were tbh. It shows much more than Lynch's Dune juts with a smaller budget and more time. The only thing that was...weak were the costumes 🤣
Leto's lifespan was not increased because he joined in symbiosis with the worm. Any Benegeserit trained could alter their own physiology to prolong life indefinitely but they elected not to do so because it would cause people the distrust and hate them. Leto could have become immortal without joining with the worm. It was the worm that gave him high levels of invulnerability.
@Nik110512 he was the only worm left in existence, meaning the only source of spice. Nobody would dare kill him, because it would mean the end of spice
The insane depth, and seemingly infinite detail of the Dune universe is staggering. To think it largely came from the mind of 1 person is quite amazing. I can't get enough of the Dune Mythos. Enjoy learning about every aspect of the vast world. You did a great job outlining the reign of Leto Atreides II!
@@e.w.thomas2425 I found it uneventful and boring, also it failed to make me empathize with the characters, the only borderline likeable character was the father and he died.
When I was reading the book, I thought was really funny how Duncan tried to kill the god emperor. The god emperor can basically live the lives of everyone and his line. It’s something that he does to maintain his sanity. One time he was distracted by some thought and then suddenly he realize that Duncan had the laser gun and was going to shoot him. Just his realization of oh shit he’s got a gun, then having to deal with it I thought was really funny.
Interesting to think Leto was the reason the worms never truely died, and in the end he himself became one fully and entirely once he knew his job of fully allowing humanity to live in eternal peace had been finished. Makes me wonder what happened to the worm he became after during the final age of true peace and luxury. And if someone knew which worm he had merged with would they protect it or just try and kill it by any means.
Okay so from what i understand, when he became fully worm he wasnt just one worm he was like, 50000 that split off of his body right. In his own words, in every one of those new worms theres a pearl of his consciousness stuck in an endless dream. So after his reign literally every single sandworm is a descendant of him. Arrakis eventually returns to a similar state it was in the first book. A sandy hell and a girl arises who can communicate to the worms, its implied she's talking to that small fragment of leto II consciousness in each worm.
@@netwicks1126 Not just a tiny gragment of his consciousness, he genetically altered them so they could live beyond just the deserts - basically ensuring they'd live on forever
Leto II has to be one of the best characters ever written in any story, a man who sacrificed both his body and his reputation for the greater good of humanity, after turning into a freaking WORM MAN. Absolute Chad
I never thought of it until now, but it's crazy that he ruled the known universe and lived longer than anyone in history by a lot, and he never left the planet he was born on.
It's a fascinating concept Herbert so elegantly brought up in the 'Dune' series-that our ancestors all have their imprints on us through muscle memory and experiences. Herbert's writing I liken to something distilled into very, very heavy reading. I have to re-read paragraphs to ingest everything as his books are as dense as ingots of 99.99% gold. I expected some hoity toity speaking person but was shocked in an interview with Herbert just how plain spoken and down-to-earth he was. The Dune Universe I've always enjoyed immensely more than Star Wars as it's something more grounded in a 'what if' with real concepts of the human experience and where we might be heading.
Leto made the ultimate sacrifice. To become a abomination for the betterment of the rest of the humanity he had to become a tyrant to teach humanity a important lesson of self preservation
Omg dude I just got the first book from the library 2 days ago. I have been listening to Dune lore videos for hours every day. At the moment I think that Leto Atreides II turning into a sand worm sounds like the coolest part of the entire series. And then you post this video haha. You rock Niyat!
@@jevinday awesome I’m glad your getting into it, both those channels are great. If I could suggest, look into The Foundation and Remembrance of Earth’s Past!
I vividly recall a moment in the book when he traced his Other Memory back to a caveman. Crawling into a tight little cave. Relaxing in his safe little world. I thought that was so cool. However....I kinda wish there would have been a moment in the books when they go ALL the way back. To their furthest and first genetic ancestor. The first human. The source.
@@elizabethjansen2684 The God Emperor. 2019 Ace Edition, paperback, page 460: "In the cradle of our past, I lay upon my back in a cave so shallow I could penetrate it only by squirming, not by crawling. There, by the dancing light of a resin torch, I drew upon walls and ceiling the creatures of the hunt and the souls of my people. How illuminating it is to peer backward through a perfect circle at that ancient struggle for the visible moment of the soul. All time vibrates to that call: "Here I am!" With a mind informed by artist-giants who came afterward, I peer at handprints and flowing muscles drawn upon the rock with charcoal and vegetable dyes. How much more we are than mere mechanical events! And my anti-civil self demands: "Why is it that they do not want to leave the cave?" -The Stolen Journals
there's an interesting interview out there (i think it was around 90 min, bad audio) where herbert basically says that he concieved of 'the whole story' at once, which was the first three books, and that he never intended to write more (because it all ended where he felt it should have), but because of the popularity and pressure from publishers (and probably his desire to leave more money for his kids and grandchildren) he started making stuff up for more books. which makes a lot of sense when you compare the first three to the latter three. they just don't feel quite the same and they seem to jump the shark pretty quickly (some silly stuff). another really interesting thing in the interview is that he admits outright that he wrote the ending to dune (i think specifically the duel) as pure camp.
@@GabrianLpgHe doesn’t need a heir because he will be the last emperor of mankind. Also he is a near invincible omnipotent immortal worm god so why would he need a heir when he can rule practically until his plan is completed.
Leto II put humanity over his knee and gave it a damn good thrashing. The lesson he dolled out was painful and brutal but necessary for our continued survival.
I got to see Hans Zimmer live this year 2022 and it was a magnificent experience, played Interstellar, Bat Man, Gladiator, Inception, pirates of the Caribbean and more but there was one song played I didn't recognise and watched Dune 2 months ago, then I recognised it immediately. So I was listening to the Dune soundtrack without even knowing it.
Just finished watching dune for the first time and your series have compelled me to watch. Thank you again for the amazing content and filling in the details I can't comprehend.
I really enjoyed Dune (2000) and Children of Dune mini-series. It's a shame they never got to do a mini-serie about the part where Leto was The God Emperor. James McAvoy has reached the perfect age to reprise this role for that.
Ive heard they planned on making god emperor and beyond but for whatever reason they couldn't, its such a shame. Imagine a universe where the entire series got the children of dune treatment...
@@netwicks1126probably budget. Imagine having more than 50% of the budget of Mcavoy going around in a sand animatronic or CGI costume. That would kill the budget
You have missed part of Gahamina's solution. She pleaded with the inner memory of her mother. And the inner memory of Chani provided the core of a benign protector, protecting Gahamina's identity from the slew of hostile inner memories coupled with the hypnosis. Alia fell because the inner Vladimir pooled all the hostile elements within and took her over. Leto II took a different path, embracing both sides benign and malignant and played a delicate balancing game with prescience and both sides to protect his identity.
Iirc Leto II as a child was.protected by Paul, but to fully realize the Golden Path he couldn't rely on the Paul ego as it would rebuke what was necessary to accomplish it, he instead made a deal with the oldest ego for protection, the first Atreides King who was known as a conqueror
I just have give such respect , Im so impressed, how can one individual have so much creativity in stories, such a visual impact of effects, everything i hear is so off -worldly but yet its organic, it seems it would take a lifetime of experiences to write all this , There is so much information and details . DUNE.
Abandon reason, return to WORM lo lon a side note man this was the best explination of Leto that I've heard so far you made it very understandable and I can only hope Denis Villeneuve will be able to create this part of the story.
I was hoping you would cover the god emperor, but wasn't so brave as to ask! An ambitious character to attempt to explain, you did it very well, it was concise and easy to follow. Nice.
Really good summary. The God emepror is by far my favourite book from the Dune series. Really good story and jsut Leto 2 on his own is such an interedting character. Will have to reread it soon.
I stopped reading after God Emperor, but sometimes I want to read the other two books. The scattering and the fate of Rakkis sounds crazy and super interesting.
ehh, honestly, don't bother... I legit believe it's better stopping with God Emperor, given how things ended up happening. Heretics has some REALLY cool parts, and the fate of Arrakis would be a great ending for the whole series, but it also starts a new storyline that ultimately didn't go anywhere... IMO Chapterhouse is just tedious and boring, too self-indulgent really.
@@jimmyboe889 No, that's literally what happend when Herbert died and left the series incomplete. We can argue about the son's books, but we can all at least agree that Frank himself didn't finish whatever he started with Heretics.
I would love to see a high quality anime or cartoon series on all of the books. You would have to condense some of the time line but I think watching the full story would just be super cool. It would be a massive endeavour and probably not a big money maker, but it would be amazing. With the success of the recent movies, I would expect it would have a cult following.
You did such a great job on this one! Although my fav ones you do have more of your own humor in there, I get why you stuck to a very tight script for this.
At around 6:41, you said "maternal grandmother" referring to Lady Jessica. She's actually their PATERNAL grandmother, although she may have motherly maternal feelings for her grandchildren.
The Dune Trilogy and other Dune books such as the one where it was AI vs Human vs Cyborgs are my favourite books to read. God Emperor of Dune was especially my favourite as well as the last book of the trilogy. I love how its logical, rational and realistic.
You have done such a thorough job, well done. As a big fan I enjoyed the care you took to get the details correct. Some of your insights were brilliant as well. Thank-you.
This whole series is pure genius and utterly fascinating on another level compared to anything else out there!! 🤘🖤 I absolutely lurve it!! Thank you so much for this amazing breakdown of the "Known Universe " " Long live the fighters" Happy New years to us all!!🤘
I Loved reading the Dune series and I always wished someone would make a movie about Leto the second "God Emperor of Dune"! I'm not sure if they could make it somewhat close to the books and be entertaining enough for most audiences to like it as well.
AFAIK Villeneuve is only planning to finish the original trilogy, which is a shame imo but also fair enough given how long it'll take. And I think God Emperor would be really tough to translate to film, the book is heavy on inner-monologues, flowery explanations almost via poetry and deliberately vague descriptions that would be really hard to do
@@helplmchokingi thought he said he was only going to touch the 2nd book. I think even he knows God Emperor is way beyond his capability because of its wackiness
Being an emperor sometimes mean more than just being a ruler, in my perspective; a heart-warming protector, a trustworthy friend, a reasonable ally, a knowledge-finder. The things that whatever it takes to be something that which help guard our dreams, belief and existing loved ones in hope to remain who we once were and who we must be again. Living in our days of horror comes to beauty restored by hope and love.
I've never been convinced about the golden path. Would humanity have blown themselves up or decayed into stagnancy? We always seem to pull through and go on, always on. Leto and all his tyranny and thousands year vision only got us to the same place we would have gotten to anyway. Probably with the same amount of death and destruction but... The golden path is a circle with or without the god emperor.
I thought the whole point of the golden path was to prevent future extinction through forced evolution? Like there's some external space threat in the future which can sense everyone and Leto's job was to create a human race which doesn't get picked up by any psycho powers.
Incorrect. Golden Path and The Scattering lead to Human to continuously expand infinitely becoming truly infinite in size without being bound and shackled in a cage through a single point of failure like Arrakis or rigid Government Structures. To point where Humanity becoming extinct has become impossible. The Myth of God-Emperor and The Ultimate Tyrant was also ingrained deep within the Collective Unconsciousness of Humanity. Making sure that Humanity would no longer just give away thinking faculties to some dude. Also, Leto bred people immune to Prescient Vision and helped with the Creation of technology that could block Prescient Vision.
@@ericvulgate pretty much nailed it on the head, hence the scattering that was further mentioned in later books. I’d also add instilling the notion in humanity to always be cautious of charismatic leaders and not allow ourselves to be ruled by a single entity/government/empire etc. Demonstrated by his centuries long reign and restrictive like “peace” he forced upon humanity. Some real heavy shit lol
If the new film series ever gets to "God Emperor of Dune", I hope they cast James McAvoy as Leto again. I'm sure he'd be delighted to play the character once again after his awesome performance in the mini-series as young Leto. Of course most of it would be motion capture and voice work, but I'm sure he'd kill it all the same.
Leto the was guy who made the hard decisions that nobody else would or could. He knew he would be looked at as a tyrant and monster, but he knew humanity would live to call him that because of his actions. Leto was a real one.
I love that Leto II allowed Ixians to create null ships or whattheywerecalled, because diversification of space travel benefits humanity even though it was an attack against his own personal power. A true ruler worthy of ruling.
Don't forget who the real main character is; Duncan Idaho. EVERY BOOK. He is the thread sewn through every book. The fact that he was intended to be a stand in for the modern man, that is, an audience surrogate, is a good insight into Frank Herbert's intent with the Dune series in regards to the ideas he wanted his audience to consider and face. That said, I feel Leto II was the closest thing to an authorial stand in the series; most certainly, God Emperor of Dune was far more a series of direct lectures than any other of the Dune series- though it seems that the seventh book was plausibly going to be just as, if not more, dictating. Of course, I could be entirely wrong, Herbert certainly was no stranger to narrative and scenic misdirection, and there was so little to predict the seventh with whilst there was so much being hinted.
Why oh why would Leto 2 keep ordering one " ghola" of Duncan Idaho after another? To my mind there are two basic reasons. First and foremost, the presence of Idaho " pleased the Paul Atriedes" within him. So that reason was to assist the Paul persona to help hold all of his other personalities in check, keeping the Paul Atriedes within him as a dominant player. The second was more important still. Siona, for her children to be born with the ability to " disappear" from prescient "view", she had to mate with and cross her genes with OLD genetic material. Your best genetic " match" is frequently someone who is VERY far removed from you, genetically speaking. The closer you are related, the more likely that your children will have a disability or some other genetic "flaw". Keeping Idaho alive as a "ghola" fulfilled both objectives very neatly. Remember that Siona, at first, did not like the idea of falling into line with the God Emperor's "design" for her to breed with Idaho simply because she opposed EVERYTHING that the God Emperor represented. But after Leto took her into the desert and exposed her to the "visions" of the end of humanity and the " Golden Path" that sidestepped this occurrence, Siona suddenly saw Idaho in a completely different manner, and sought and won his co -operation in not only destroying the God Emperor, ( as Leto wanted, in flowing water), but she also actively became Idaho's "mate", realising that Idaho was her ideal genetic "cross" to produce children that could disappear from prescient view
As long as Denis Villenueve as the director adapting all the Frank Herbert's Dune, its hard for me to be picky and too demanding as he understand the books really well. Fingers crossed he adapt all of it.
Nice. Great recap. The SyFy mini series of ‘Dune’ and ‘Children of Dune’ is my favorite. Couldn’t hang with the Chalomet version but may give it another go after watching this. Reading the books is life changing
I can not believe that it took the Villaneueve movie to get me to take a second look at Dune. This is kind of like discovering the Star Wars universe all over again.
@@pennyc11 lol out of all the characters in dune Leto II was acually the only one to be able to be called the hero, he became something more and less than hun then bread his own assasin knowingly jjust so the human race would not die out
@@neilfield2185 Sounds great but the worm thing was a bit much. It is difficult to be great in all things but some people have accomplished great things. Without becoming a massive sand worm. Just saying.😁
The Golden Path is a one way train track that once we're on there's no getting off, it's basically a single timeline where humanity will survive indefinitely, as far as Leto could see anyway, and continue populating galaxy after galaxy, universe after universe, forever. Shit is as mindboggling as it is metal.
In1976, and after a two year global search, Frank and the team at the Centrum Foundation in Port Townsend Washington, trained me to use my unique abilities. On one of the last nights after they taught me all they could, Frank Herbert himself told me that I was this generations "Kwisatz Haderach", and not to take it lightly. I've had a repeated, global effect. He told me that as he handed me Paul Atreides compleat life file folder, almost a foot tall of single spaced type pages with everything Paul ever did, including stuff that never made it into any of the books because they didn't effect the story. He had files like that for every character. Where those lives intersected, you read about it in the books. His wife played a much bigger role in supporting his literary goals and achievements than most of you could ever know. They were a great team.
The “sympathetic villain” trope with characters like Killmonger, Magneto, etc. is interesting but it’s become a kinda saturated and oversimplified concept in today’s media. What makes Leto insanely interesting and decades ahead of the authors time is the fact that he was fully aware of and embraced the fact that he had to be a villain and didn’t pull any punches in that regard. It’s a pretty unexplored character concept that can be viewed as tragic, narcissistic, and everything in between. Frank Herbert was a genius
The story of "Dune" moves forward with nice artwork. Lets see what Denis Villeneuve and his team have in mind to translate this all into a masterwork of film.
I don't see how the God Emperor's methods taught humanity any "lession" or helped them progress, if he just wanted to give them immunity to precience, he could have engineered the gene much sooner Also it wasn't like people were crying to be ruled by a single ruler, leto just decided to teach humans a "lession" which wasn't really needed It makes for a good story ig but not from a logical stand-point
Yeah I feel like Frank had a bit too Much Spice Melange writing the Last Dune Novels and went "Big Tyrant Worm man Saves mankind by being a Dick" when he could have done so with less drastic means (also his reign realistically would have only accelerated Humanity's extinction as his death literally started the Division and Conflicts, made worse by the fact people literally relied on him for everything, I guess the Expansion bit was what Leto II was really after but even then that doesn't make much sense logically.) Makes for an Interesting Philosophical Question of "whats really Right when you can see far beyond anyone can" but if we think about it too much it kinda falls appart.
Was thinking about it. I do believe these authors secretly read Dune and boom they make something "original" It's sad that Dune ends up being a secret weapon for peak writing and it's glory is stolen by copycats.
Dune always blows my mind. My take, is that Paul seen and *knew what had to be done* in order to guide them down the golden path. But he didn't have the resolve to become the villain he needed to be in order for the entire universe to properly prosper. So instead, he left that path for his children to walk. Paul knew that Leto the 2nd would eventually become much more powerful than he, and knew he would have the resolve to do what he couldn't. Paul was raised normally, as normal as a high born could in the Dune-iverse. Becoming the Lisan al Giab was the path he had to walk in order for his family to survive, with the Imperium acting and conspiring against his father and house. He did what was needed to be done for his family, he wouldn't have the nerve to slaughter millions upon millions of innocent souls, even if it's for the benefit of the greater good. Leto the 2nd would have had access to his fathers memories, seen what kind of man he really was, and most likely would have deduced that Paul knew what had to be done, but was unable to bring himself to do so. Therefore, it would be left for Leto to do so. Push past the Lisan al Giab, become God Emperor and walk the golden path. It was Leto the 2nd's birth right, the power was woven into his destiny and unlocking the memories of the entirety of his ancestry, he would realize and succumb to the evil he must do. A benevolent villain, acting for the greater good without malicious intent, *that is the God Emperor.*
Luckily for him an a number of other characters, about twice the time of his reign Leto got the chance to "learn" how to NOT be a blood thirsty tyrant when he was "awakened" as a kid clone.. something he admitted at the end of the VERY long book series. It had to be odd.. planning the destruction of your own empire and essentially suicide by assassinated.
Isn't Letto also a virgin. I don't read all books( latest not), but he became human-worm hybrid on relatively young age. Before that he did not has some love interest ot it is not hinted, that he did it someone. And after he became hybrid, i don't think he could or am i wrong?🤔😬😬Did he...🤨? And if he did...🤨what he banged😬😱😱. God, why i even asked, now this question will haunted me for ever.
Great video love the content you just got a new subscriber so glad you showed Alia from 1984 kid in this video I always thought she was a creepy kid lol 😆 can't wait to see her in the new dune Leto was always my second favorite character I'm currently reading god emperor of dune again love dune.
The question is whether Dune is really about humanity? The characters are more alien than human. It's like a story of a parasite mutation by attachment, transcription, assembly and independence, though incest.
Imperial Subjects: 'All hail God-Worm, son of Sand Mouse, second of His name! May he reign long, yet not long enough for us to tire of His guiding and protecting ways! Praise be to the overbearing UberWorm!' Leto II: 'Try and do something ultimately beneficial for somebody....Even in my own empire, I get no respect!'
Dictators always believe they do what they do for the greater good. Although I was fascinated with Dune's lore and still engage with it to some extent, the biggest disappointment for me was that Herbert made Leto the worst dictator imaginable and the dictator's delusion the truth. So all of humanity was required to suffer his tyranny for thousands of years for the sake of the future of humanity. Not the best lesson in my book, no matter how it was framed, because it's never good for humanity to put up with such tyrannies.
Reminds me of when I was a kid and there was an episode of Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, where Mandy was a giant worm (in reference to Leto II) and it was full of Dune references in general. It went over my head as a kid, but I often think back to that episode after having seen the previous two Dune movies.
Bruh, I was proud of myself for understanding most of the Warhammer timeline and also the halo and star wars timeline but this, this is on another level 😭
It's a barrier that the Ricks created to separate every infinite reality from the realities that the Ricks were the smartest in their respective universes.
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Leto 2 and 3 really took “would you still love me if I was a worm” to heart 🪱
THERE WAS A THIRD??
@@KsyntaylorA ghola on the Brian Herber and Kevin J. Anderson books.
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@@alexharkness586 not canon, brian and kevins writing was infantile and ruined everything frank layed down
@@Despotic_WaffleLet that be decided by each reader
The more I learn about the Dune universe, the more I feel like it’s all an acid trip. The lore is insane
you aren't far off lol - Frank had an intense liking for magic mushrooms when writing these books lol
ther isn't much lore, its fact
@@GeoffC19Figures 😂😅
I wonder what Tolkien thought of it all...
@@archlich4489 as far as I know - wasn't a fan
What I like about Lato 2 is the fact he took "Sometimes, you have to be the bad guy for everyone's sake." to heart. Something his father couldn't accept.
"It's all part of the plan!" - Leto, probably lol
Paul is a fucking hypocrite. Lato 2 is the real king.
That's why I became the bad "guy"
It's for everyone else's good.
Leto*
His father already found himself unintentionally becoming the villain.
And with a bodycount of aproximately 60 billion and counting, its understandable why he would have a problem causing even further destruction.
Especially to such a mind blowing degree.
Leito's peace was built on innumerable killing fields, as well as an almost total supression of the collective human spirit.
A heavy price to pay in order to save the human race.
And Paul was horrified enough by the Jihad carried out in his name.
When Leito kicked his plan into gear, his dad was already a broken man. From cynicism, grief over losing Chani, and probably also a lot of guilt.
Also, wasnt Leito prescient ability far superior to Paul's?
I got the impression that Paul couldnt see the Golden Path with the same clarity as Leito.
The God Emperor was one of the most insanely powerful entities ever conceived. A villain pursuing the greater good for all humanity.
Both God Emperors
@@paimonisfood4986 well one's plan worked while the other's didn't
@@darkgrip90 that's grimdark for you
Pretty amazing writing by Frank Herbert. Talk about an epic scale.
@@darkgrip90 well 40k's big E's plan did work just not in the way he envisioned it would.
The whole time watching the movie I just kept thinking poor Duncan. The future in store for him is intense!
He should have been named Lazarus, considering the number of times he is brought back to life 😂
Plot armor is strong with him. Dumb af
@@filmcomicsexplainedThat would be to on the nose, maybe as a middle name as a nod to those who notice it, would be funny.
Duncan is the actual protagonist. Even if it is his ghola. He's the only character that's in every book.
Why wont you let me die
The worm Leto is an interesting character concept. Someone who has lived for 3,000 years, and also has lived 3,000 lifetimes previously.
Yet ends up as creature more than what he once was. Sure, in the culture of Dune, Leto is seen as a god because sandworms are a force of nature to be respected but still....it's kinda gross. Especially when he gets into the mood for the breeding ritual. Still interested in the concept?!
@@ivanidlehand9651 None of what you said makes it less interesting.
What do you mean by 3000 Lifetimes? I mean he did have the memories of previous family members and all those of the BG Religion and could see the future of humanity (Golden Path) that his death would bring about but it was the Ghola Duncan Idaho who was brought back to life thousands of times throughout the entire story. Is the only character that's in every book, but was only the final ghola created that had the ability to see every past life (and death) he had lived. He had the memory of Millions but only lived one lifetime and died a virgin. LOL
@@b.a.grissom4761 Leto II has perfect recall of every detail of every life within his consciousness. He can go back in his mind space and relive any detail from those lives. Duncan on the other hand only gets to keep his experiences from his 1 life and he get to live that version of himself over and over again.
Leto's depth of experience is an ocean to Duncan's dew drop.
3000 is a lot less than what Leto can recall. He has 'perfect recall'
Leto II's stated goal was to "teach humanity a lesson that they will remember in their bones": that sheltered safety was tantamount to utter death, however long it would be delayed.
He didn't want all the past sacrifices that humanity had endured been for nothing
@Bitterkind Because he loved Humanity. It's somewhat obvious throughout the book he sees all of them as his children.
@Bitterkind "Thou shalt not disfigure the soul" why say this? Why is it not mere "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind"? Because even that goes back to the supreme commandment. Anything that weaken it is "disfiguring the soul", be it a thinking machine or the cruelty of the cosmo. Thus it's up to human to unweaken it. From one self, to family, to the region, to the planet, and to the entire race.
In a way - and despite the term of souls, ancestral memory etc, I consider that the ideal held in universe is similar (but not quite) of existentialism. "Existence precedes essence", which arise from understanding human beings does not possess any inherent identity or value - thus they must create their own.
What does not kill you makes you stronger
@@Bitterkind he values humanity as a hole, he sees humanity kind as a single organism, a continuum of from the distant past to potentially eternity. Given is unique existence as piratically a hive mind collective encompassing a unbroken chain from his birth to the "first" human because of his complete access to genetic memory of all of his ancestors. He sees that chain as something beautiful and special, that gives meaning to the universe. He saw that chain being broken, humanity being extinguished. It's not explicit said at least until the fourth book (still reading the last two), but it's heavily implied that if nothing was done humanity (or the Ixians) would create thinking machines again and they would do the machine apocalipse in the entire universe.
The golden path as explained at least until the fourth book was a to prevent this from ever happening, by spreading humanity to so much that there would always be some human alive (he accomplished this by stagnating humanity so much that driven by the desperation of the empire collapse after his death people extincts to explore, find the new, be surprised, etc would carry them to the farthest reach of space after being locked in medieval lives in a single planet for 3000 years), and create a bread of humans that are invisible to prescience and thous could hid from oracles human or mechanized, also giving truly free will to escape the case of seeing the future he and his father faced (seeing the possibilities you luck yourself into a path, because you judge it the only acceptable path).
"One of us had to accept the agony. He was always the stronger. History is written on the sands of Arrakis. A chapter has ended, swept away by the whirlwind. One door has closed but another has opened and on the other side... our future" Ghanima
mmm
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@😮awilish1589
Amen. Jesus
I love the children of dune miniseries that portrayed the first stages of the transformation. The cgi wasnt all that but seeing James McAvoy sprint around the desert like the flash was awesome.
The mini series was brilliant, imo. Both were tbh. It shows much more than Lynch's Dune juts with a smaller budget and more time. The only thing that was...weak were the costumes 🤣
@@jpgduff facts lmao, those sardukar uniforms were fly af with the chef hats.
@offworld_coop Haha!! I forgotten those!! It was Fenric's...headpiece? that got me
Yes, still my favorite Dune adaptation.
The miniseries is the only one close to Dune... Even the last movie is not that close
Leto's lifespan was not increased because he joined in symbiosis with the worm. Any Benegeserit trained could alter their own physiology to prolong life indefinitely but they elected not to do so because it would cause people the distrust and hate them.
Leto could have become immortal without joining with the worm. It was the worm that gave him high levels of invulnerability.
Invulnerable?
Just add water.
@@Nik110512 to a god who can see everything??
@Nik110512 he was the only worm left in existence, meaning the only source of spice. Nobody would dare kill him, because it would mean the end of spice
Becoming a worm was the only way to truly be perceived as a God. Shai Halud
@@tomfoolery5680pfft more like Shaitan
Humans: We need someone to guide us through these tough times
Also humans: Maybe we should follow that worm guy with the human head.
Looking at the 2024 election, I’m leaning team worm
@@Cabooseforprez2012 Nah you gotta go team Trump lol
@@Coyote_Bongwater69 worm better
@@Coyote_Bongwater69Team womp
They had no choice other than following him because he was, well bigg a** sandworm..
The insane depth, and seemingly infinite detail of the Dune universe is staggering. To think it largely came from the mind of 1 person is quite amazing. I can't get enough of the Dune Mythos. Enjoy learning about every aspect of the vast world. You did a great job outlining the reign of Leto Atreides II!
Actually 3 people. A man and then his son and his writing partner.
C'mon City!
@@The1Mustache3 🙌💙👊
It's just another timeline/alternate reality that these people tap into
All these worlds exist
@mozi3051 by his writing partner ...you can say wife 😂😂
The lore is so popular because of the diverse characters, themes, and plots that were well-written. I hope the next movie will not disappoint.
Yes, like Terminator 2. 👍
First one didn’t
Don't. Choices were safe for part 1. And dull. So will part 2 .
@@e.w.thomas2425 I found it uneventful and boring, also it failed to make me empathize with the characters, the only borderline likeable character was the father and he died.
@@e.w.thomas2425I am hoping for a third, fourth, and maybe fifth to complete the story. Not hard to see why it is the best selling SciFi series ever.
When I was reading the book, I thought was really funny how Duncan tried to kill the god emperor. The god emperor can basically live the lives of everyone and his line. It’s something that he does to maintain his sanity. One time he was distracted by some thought and then suddenly he realize that Duncan had the laser gun and was going to shoot him. Just his realization of oh shit he’s got a gun, then having to deal with it I thought was really funny.
It also proved to any doubters just how omnipresent Leto II was at that point, to have such a quick reaction...
kinda like a revrend mother :)
lol and later when Moneo asked if he was alright he's just like, "don't worry bro, that leg will be gone in 200 years anyway"
Did that Duncan live? I have a vague recollection of the worm body squishing that Duncan.
@@ThatSockmonkey no dude they made a new duncun.
He who became the worst tyrant in mankind's history all to save it. A painful sad sacrifice that none will thank him for.
God Emperor of Dune is one of the best sequels and examination of the effects of Godhood on one person.
Godliness is cleanliness. Cleanliness is godliness.
Not violence/corruption/perversion. 🌀
@@StevenMichaelCunninghamwtf are you on 😂
God hood? 😅 More like an abomination
Interesting to think Leto was the reason the worms never truely died, and in the end he himself became one fully and entirely once he knew his job of fully allowing humanity to live in eternal peace had been finished. Makes me wonder what happened to the worm he became after during the final age of true peace and luxury. And if someone knew which worm he had merged with would they protect it or just try and kill it by any means.
Okay so from what i understand, when he became fully worm he wasnt just one worm he was like, 50000 that split off of his body right. In his own words, in every one of those new worms theres a pearl of his consciousness stuck in an endless dream. So after his reign literally every single sandworm is a descendant of him. Arrakis eventually returns to a similar state it was in the first book. A sandy hell and a girl arises who can communicate to the worms, its implied she's talking to that small fragment of leto II consciousness in each worm.
@@netwicks1126 Not just a tiny gragment of his consciousness, he genetically altered them so they could live beyond just the deserts - basically ensuring they'd live on forever
@@netwicks1126exactly lol read it and that’s what happens
I heard he's now in a big bottle of tequila.
Leto II has to be one of the best characters ever written in any story, a man who sacrificed both his body and his reputation for the greater good of humanity, after turning into a freaking WORM MAN. Absolute Chad
I never thought of it until now, but it's crazy that he ruled the known universe and lived longer than anyone in history by a lot, and he never left the planet he was born on.
It's a fascinating concept Herbert so elegantly brought up in the 'Dune' series-that our ancestors all have their imprints on us through muscle memory and experiences. Herbert's writing I liken to something distilled into very, very heavy reading. I have to re-read paragraphs to ingest everything as his books are as dense as ingots of 99.99% gold. I expected some hoity toity speaking person but was shocked in an interview with Herbert just how plain spoken and down-to-earth he was. The Dune Universe I've always enjoyed immensely more than Star Wars as it's something more grounded in a 'what if' with real concepts of the human experience and where we might be heading.
Yes, sandworms are more likely to be real than sarlaccs
Leto made the ultimate sacrifice.
To become a abomination for the betterment of the rest of the humanity he had to become a tyrant to teach humanity a important lesson of self preservation
But then they scattered and created thinking-machines again reversing everything humanity had tried to avoid
Omg dude I just got the first book from the library 2 days ago. I have been listening to Dune lore videos for hours every day. At the moment I think that Leto Atreides II turning into a sand worm sounds like the coolest part of the entire series. And then you post this video haha. You rock Niyat!
That's awesome! :)
i recommend the audiobooks on audible, especially God-Emperor. Hearing Leto speak is really something.
Quinn’s Ideas?
@@luisalberto1456 yep him and alt shift x are 2 of the main channels I watch. If you know of any more id love to check them out
@@jevinday awesome I’m glad your getting into it, both those channels are great. If I could suggest, look into The Foundation and Remembrance of Earth’s Past!
I vividly recall a moment in the book when he traced his Other Memory back to a caveman. Crawling into a tight little cave. Relaxing in his safe little world. I thought that was so cool. However....I kinda wish there would have been a moment in the books when they go ALL the way back. To their furthest and first genetic ancestor. The first human. The source.
Caveman? I don't think so, makes no sense.
@@elizabethjansen2684 I'll see if I can find it in the book later and give you the page number
@@chewface thanks it sounds interesting
@@elizabethjansen2684 The God Emperor. 2019 Ace Edition, paperback, page 460: "In the cradle of our past, I lay upon my back in a cave so shallow I could
penetrate it only by squirming, not by crawling. There, by the dancing light of
a resin torch, I drew upon walls and ceiling the creatures of the hunt and the
souls of my people. How illuminating it is to peer backward through a perfect
circle at that ancient struggle for the visible moment of the soul. All time
vibrates to that call: "Here I am!" With a mind informed by artist-giants who
came afterward, I peer at handprints and flowing muscles drawn upon the rock
with charcoal and vegetable dyes. How much more we are than mere mechanical
events! And my anti-civil self demands: "Why is it that they do not want to
leave the cave?"
-The Stolen Journals
no such thing as a "first human".
My favorite of the books. I love the way it's written, like actually from the perspective of an omniscient, omnipotent, 3500 year old.
there's an interesting interview out there (i think it was around 90 min, bad audio) where herbert basically says that he concieved of 'the whole story' at once, which was the first three books, and that he never intended to write more (because it all ended where he felt it should have), but because of the popularity and pressure from publishers (and probably his desire to leave more money for his kids and grandchildren) he started making stuff up for more books.
which makes a lot of sense when you compare the first three to the latter three. they just don't feel quite the same and they seem to jump the shark pretty quickly (some silly stuff).
another really interesting thing in the interview is that he admits outright that he wrote the ending to dune (i think specifically the duel) as pure camp.
This cannot be overstated
@@zachhughes9149 ha. that's funny.
(most people don't agree with the difference between the books)
Wrote it as “camp”?
@@nathananelson yeah, he said something like "the ending was meant to be pure camp." (something like that)
@@Kaydin66 I know I read what you said but what does that mean pure camp?
Leto: I have been God, I have been worm. I choose worm.
Worm is best
I have questin with body like those how even he can get heir even emperor from 4k stiil need Primach thank 🙏
@@GabrianLpgHe doesn’t need a heir because he will be the last emperor of mankind. Also he is a near invincible omnipotent immortal worm god so why would he need a heir when he can rule practically until his plan is completed.
Leto II put humanity over his knee and gave it a damn good thrashing. The lesson he dolled out was painful and brutal but necessary for our continued survival.
Finally a video that described both Paul and Leto II (III) Atreides quite well.
I got to see Hans Zimmer live this year 2022 and it was a magnificent experience, played Interstellar, Bat Man, Gladiator, Inception, pirates of the Caribbean and more but there was one song played I didn't recognise and watched Dune 2 months ago, then I recognised it immediately. So I was listening to the Dune soundtrack without even knowing it.
I love Hans Zimmer but I didn't care for the score in Dune.
Just finished watching dune for the first time and your series have compelled me to watch. Thank you again for the amazing content and filling in the details I can't comprehend.
I really enjoyed Dune (2000) and Children of Dune mini-series. It's a shame they never got to do a mini-serie about the part where Leto was The God Emperor. James McAvoy has reached the perfect age to reprise this role for that.
Ive heard they planned on making god emperor and beyond but for whatever reason they couldn't, its such a shame. Imagine a universe where the entire series got the children of dune treatment...
@@netwicks1126probably budget. Imagine having more than 50% of the budget of Mcavoy going around in a sand animatronic or CGI costume. That would kill the budget
You have missed part of Gahamina's solution. She pleaded with the inner memory of her mother. And the inner memory of Chani provided the core of a benign protector, protecting Gahamina's identity from the slew of hostile inner memories coupled with the hypnosis.
Alia fell because the inner Vladimir pooled all the hostile elements within and took her over.
Leto II took a different path, embracing both sides benign and malignant and played a delicate balancing game with prescience and both sides to protect his identity.
Iirc Leto II as a child was.protected by Paul, but to fully realize the Golden Path he couldn't rely on the Paul ego as it would rebuke what was necessary to accomplish it, he instead made a deal with the oldest ego for protection, the first Atreides King who was known as a conqueror
I just have give such respect , Im so impressed, how can one individual have so much creativity in stories, such a visual impact of effects, everything i hear is so off -worldly but yet its organic, it seems it would take a lifetime of experiences to write all this , There is so much information and details . DUNE.
Always give mad props to Grim Adventures for having an entire episode that was just Dune. Complete with god empress Mandy.
Abandon reason, return to WORM lo lon a side note man this was the best explination of Leto that I've heard so far you made it very understandable and I can only hope Denis Villeneuve will be able to create this part of the story.
I was hoping you would cover the god emperor, but wasn't so brave as to ask! An ambitious character to attempt to explain, you did it very well, it was concise and easy to follow. Nice.
Really good summary. The God emepror is by far my favourite book from the Dune series. Really good story and jsut Leto 2 on his own is such an interedting character. Will have to reread it soon.
I stopped reading after God Emperor, but sometimes I want to read the other two books. The scattering and the fate of Rakkis sounds crazy and super interesting.
there are six dune books.
they are awesome.
ehh, honestly, don't bother... I legit believe it's better stopping with God Emperor, given how things ended up happening.
Heretics has some REALLY cool parts, and the fate of Arrakis would be a great ending for the whole series, but it also starts a new storyline that ultimately didn't go anywhere...
IMO Chapterhouse is just tedious and boring, too self-indulgent really.
@@jacowboy didn't go anywhere ? Dude this that is your opinion
They're worth it, honestly. Very different but worth it.
@@jimmyboe889 No, that's literally what happend when Herbert died and left the series incomplete. We can argue about the son's books, but we can all at least agree that Frank himself didn't finish whatever he started with Heretics.
I would love to see a high quality anime or cartoon series on all of the books. You would have to condense some of the time line but I think watching the full story would just be super cool. It would be a massive endeavour and probably not a big money maker, but it would be amazing. With the success of the recent movies, I would expect it would have a cult following.
12:42 most horrific sandworm form of Leto I’ve ever viewed
Love it, this guy was the inspiration for both jabba the hut in his design, as well as the of god emperor in concept😊
You did such a great job on this one! Although my fav ones you do have more of your own humor in there, I get why you stuck to a very tight script for this.
At around 6:41, you said "maternal grandmother" referring to Lady Jessica. She's actually their PATERNAL grandmother, although she may have motherly maternal feelings for her grandchildren.
The Dune Trilogy and other Dune books such as the one where it was AI vs Human vs Cyborgs are my favourite books to read. God Emperor of Dune was especially my favourite as well as the last book of the trilogy. I love how its logical, rational and realistic.
You have done such a thorough job, well done. As a big fan I enjoyed the care you took to get the details correct. Some of your insights were brilliant as well. Thank-you.
This whole series is pure genius and utterly fascinating on another level compared to anything else out there!! 🤘🖤 I absolutely lurve it!!
Thank you so much for this amazing breakdown of the "Known Universe "
" Long live the fighters"
Happy New years to us all!!🤘
That was GREAT! You about to send me down that reading road again..........its been a while, so nows a good time to revisit
I Loved reading the Dune series and I always wished someone would make a movie about Leto the second "God Emperor of Dune"! I'm not sure if they could make it somewhat close to the books and be entertaining enough for most audiences to like it as well.
A god emperor of dune movie/tv show is my dream. Its a concept i think about almost daily
AFAIK Villeneuve is only planning to finish the original trilogy, which is a shame imo but also fair enough given how long it'll take. And I think God Emperor would be really tough to translate to film, the book is heavy on inner-monologues, flowery explanations almost via poetry and deliberately vague descriptions that would be really hard to do
@@helplmchokingi thought he said he was only going to touch the 2nd book. I think even he knows God Emperor is way beyond his capability because of its wackiness
@@quakethedoombringer god emperor is the 4th, I think he's only committed to Messiah and Children
Being an emperor sometimes mean more than just being a ruler, in my perspective; a heart-warming protector, a trustworthy friend, a reasonable ally, a knowledge-finder. The things that whatever it takes to be something that which help guard our dreams, belief and existing loved ones in hope to remain who we once were and who we must be again. Living in our days of horror comes to beauty restored by hope and love.
I've never been convinced about the golden path. Would humanity have blown themselves up or decayed into stagnancy? We always seem to pull through and go on, always on. Leto and all his tyranny and thousands year vision only got us to the same place we would have gotten to anyway. Probably with the same amount of death and destruction but... The golden path is a circle with or without the god emperor.
I thought the whole point of the golden path was to prevent future extinction through forced evolution? Like there's some external space threat in the future which can sense everyone and Leto's job was to create a human race which doesn't get picked up by any psycho powers.
he drove humanity to expand so much- even beyond the bounds of the home universe- that no one calamity or cause would ever be able to wipe it out.
Incorrect. Golden Path and The Scattering lead to Human to continuously expand infinitely becoming truly infinite in size without being bound and shackled in a cage through a single point of failure like Arrakis or rigid Government Structures. To point where Humanity becoming extinct has become impossible.
The Myth of God-Emperor and The Ultimate Tyrant was also ingrained deep within the Collective Unconsciousness of Humanity. Making sure that Humanity would no longer just give away thinking faculties to some dude.
Also, Leto bred people immune to Prescient Vision and helped with the Creation of technology that could block Prescient Vision.
@@ericvulgate pretty much nailed it on the head, hence the scattering that was further mentioned in later books. I’d also add instilling the notion in humanity to always be cautious of charismatic leaders and not allow ourselves to be ruled by a single entity/government/empire etc. Demonstrated by his centuries long reign and restrictive like “peace” he forced upon humanity. Some real heavy shit lol
Because you didn't read it or forgot it. It's explained.
Merging with Sandworms ... man must have been high as hell writing this book
the spice must flow
If the new film series ever gets to "God Emperor of Dune", I hope they cast James McAvoy as Leto again.
I'm sure he'd be delighted to play the character once again after his awesome performance in the mini-series as young Leto. Of course most of it would be motion capture and voice work, but I'm sure he'd kill it all the same.
Itd also be a great comeback
Plus he's a damn good actor, he'd actually be perfect
Leto the was guy who made the hard decisions that nobody else would or could. He knew he would be looked at as a tyrant and monster, but he knew humanity would live to call him that because of his actions. Leto was a real one.
I love that Leto II allowed Ixians to create null ships or whattheywerecalled, because diversification of space travel benefits humanity even though it was an attack against his own personal power. A true ruler worthy of ruling.
Don't forget who the real main character is; Duncan Idaho. EVERY BOOK. He is the thread sewn through every book.
The fact that he was intended to be a stand in for the modern man, that is, an audience surrogate, is a good insight into Frank Herbert's intent with the Dune series in regards to the ideas he wanted his audience to consider and face.
That said, I feel Leto II was the closest thing to an authorial stand in the series; most certainly, God Emperor of Dune was far more a series of direct lectures than any other of the Dune series- though it seems that the seventh book was plausibly going to be just as, if not more, dictating. Of course, I could be entirely wrong, Herbert certainly was no stranger to narrative and scenic misdirection, and there was so little to predict the seventh with whilst there was so much being hinted.
Why oh why would Leto 2 keep ordering one " ghola" of Duncan Idaho after another?
To my mind there are two basic reasons.
First and foremost, the presence of Idaho " pleased the Paul Atriedes" within him.
So that reason was to assist the Paul persona to help hold all of his other personalities in check, keeping the Paul Atriedes within him as a dominant player.
The second was more important still.
Siona, for her children to be born with the ability to " disappear" from prescient "view", she had to mate with and cross her genes with OLD genetic material.
Your best genetic " match" is frequently someone who is VERY far removed from you, genetically speaking. The closer you are related, the more likely that your children will have a disability or some other genetic "flaw".
Keeping Idaho alive as a "ghola" fulfilled both objectives very neatly.
Remember that Siona, at first, did not like the idea of falling into line with the God Emperor's "design" for her to breed with Idaho simply because she opposed EVERYTHING that the God Emperor represented.
But after Leto took her into the desert and exposed her to the "visions" of the end of humanity and the " Golden Path" that sidestepped this occurrence, Siona suddenly saw Idaho in a completely different manner, and sought and won his co -operation in not only destroying the God Emperor, ( as Leto wanted, in flowing water), but she also actively became Idaho's "mate", realising that Idaho was her ideal genetic "cross" to produce children that could disappear from prescient view
HERESY! There is only one God-Emperor and he sits upon the Golden Throne! xD
Awesome video!
Great summary. Not weakened by non lore material. Well done.
As long as Denis Villenueve as the director adapting all the Frank Herbert's Dune, its hard for me to be picky and too demanding as he understand the books really well. Fingers crossed he adapt all of it.
Nice. Great recap. The SyFy mini series of ‘Dune’ and ‘Children of Dune’ is my favorite. Couldn’t hang with the Chalomet version but may give it another go after watching this. Reading the books is life changing
Would LOVE to see an entire Gallery dedicated to the various artists' concepts of DUNE.
An unanimously loathed dirt crawling worm as overlord? Looking at actual politicians all over the world I would say we are already in the golden path.
I can not believe that it took the Villaneueve movie to get me to take a second look at Dune. This is kind of like discovering the Star Wars universe all over again.
I read the book, God Emperor Of Dune and thought, "Good lord, Leto Atreides II has gone mad with Power!"
Of course he did, have you tried going mad without it? Boring, no one listens to you.
It was more difficult to follow.
@@pennyc11 lol out of all the characters in dune Leto II was acually the only one to be able to be called the hero, he became something more and less than hun then bread his own assasin knowingly jjust so the human race would not die out
@@neilfield2185 Sounds great but the worm thing was a bit much. It is difficult to be great in all things but some people have accomplished great things. Without becoming a massive sand worm. Just saying.😁
@@pennyc11it was a necessery step to prolong his human life
The Golden Path is a one way train track that once we're on there's no getting off, it's basically a single timeline where humanity will survive indefinitely, as far as Leto could see anyway, and continue populating galaxy after galaxy, universe after universe, forever.
Shit is as mindboggling as it is metal.
I've never seen dune at all but all these videos are extremely interesting.
In1976, and after a two year global search, Frank and the team at the Centrum Foundation in Port Townsend Washington, trained me to use my unique abilities. On one of the last nights after they taught me all they could, Frank Herbert himself told me that I was this generations "Kwisatz Haderach", and not to take it lightly. I've had a repeated, global effect.
He told me that as he handed me Paul Atreides compleat life file folder, almost a foot tall of single spaced type pages with everything Paul ever did, including stuff that never made it into any of the books because they didn't effect the story.
He had files like that for every character. Where those lives intersected, you read about it in the books.
His wife played a much bigger role in supporting his literary goals and achievements than most of you could ever know. They were a great team.
One of the greatest books I have read ever.
Almost every paragraph is quotable
ive seen everyone of youre videos youre content is just amazing ❤️
Thanks homie! :)
pretty good, especially for ones that don't know what happened in released books ( released is * )
Thanks for the video!! See you later!! Stay safe and Happy New Year 🎉🎈
Happy new year Shaine!
The “sympathetic villain” trope with characters like Killmonger, Magneto, etc. is interesting but it’s become a kinda saturated and oversimplified concept in today’s media. What makes Leto insanely interesting and decades ahead of the authors time is the fact that he was fully aware of and embraced the fact that he had to be a villain and didn’t pull any punches in that regard. It’s a pretty unexplored character concept that can be viewed as tragic, narcissistic, and everything in between. Frank Herbert was a genius
Remains me of Pain from naruto
You know your video on "God Emperor" makes me want to see you do a video on the history and lore of Warhammer 40k
there's Luetin09 for that and there's none better if you ask me
The story of "Dune" moves forward with nice artwork. Lets see what Denis Villeneuve and his team have in mind to translate this all into a masterwork of film.
I thought Denis wants to stop at the 2nd book
I love this channel so much🎩
I love the longer videos bro
I don't see how the God Emperor's methods taught humanity any "lession" or helped them progress, if he just wanted to give them immunity to precience, he could have engineered the gene much sooner
Also it wasn't like people were crying to be ruled by a single ruler, leto just decided to teach humans a "lession" which wasn't really needed
It makes for a good story ig but not from a logical stand-point
Yeah I feel like Frank had a bit too Much Spice Melange writing the Last Dune Novels and went "Big Tyrant Worm man Saves mankind by being a Dick" when he could have done so with less drastic means (also his reign realistically would have only accelerated Humanity's extinction as his death literally started the Division and Conflicts, made worse by the fact people literally relied on him for everything, I guess the Expansion bit was what Leto II was really after but even then that doesn't make much sense logically.)
Makes for an Interesting Philosophical Question of "whats really Right when you can see far beyond anyone can" but if we think about it too much it kinda falls appart.
Small note: Jessica was the paternal grandmother of the twins (not maternal).
Wonder if Lelouch's 'become the bad guy everyone hates for the greater good of mankind' was inspired by Leto II.
I was thinking the same. Guy basically is a god king as well but to keep peace he makes the ultimate sacrifice love the parallel of the two
Was thinking about it.
I do believe these authors secretly read Dune and boom they make something "original"
It's sad that Dune ends up being a secret weapon for peak writing and it's glory is stolen by copycats.
This story is super complicated and you did a great job explaining it
watching this video from Brazil !! keep up your good work !!!
Thanks for watching!
Dune always blows my mind. My take, is that Paul seen and *knew what had to be done* in order to guide them down the golden path. But he didn't have the resolve to become the villain he needed to be in order for the entire universe to properly prosper.
So instead, he left that path for his children to walk. Paul knew that Leto the 2nd would eventually become much more powerful than he, and knew he would have the resolve to do what he couldn't.
Paul was raised normally, as normal as a high born could in the Dune-iverse. Becoming the Lisan al Giab was the path he had to walk in order for his family to survive, with the Imperium acting and conspiring against his father and house. He did what was needed to be done for his family, he wouldn't have the nerve to slaughter millions upon millions of innocent souls, even if it's for the benefit of the greater good.
Leto the 2nd would have had access to his fathers memories, seen what kind of man he really was, and most likely would have deduced that Paul knew what had to be done, but was unable to bring himself to do so. Therefore, it would be left for Leto to do so. Push past the Lisan al Giab, become God Emperor and walk the golden path. It was Leto the 2nd's birth right, the power was woven into his destiny and unlocking the memories of the entirety of his ancestry, he would realize and succumb to the evil he must do. A benevolent villain, acting for the greater good without malicious intent, *that is the God Emperor.*
Love the video can you do The Rani,The Monk,Selachians,Autons,Nestene Consciousness and the Great Intelligence from Doctor Who
Great suggestions!
At the end he was like " alright ima be a worm now."
Luckily for him an a number of other characters, about twice the time of his reign Leto got the chance to "learn" how to NOT be a blood thirsty tyrant when he was "awakened" as a kid clone.. something he admitted at the end of the VERY long book series.
It had to be odd.. planning the destruction of your own empire and essentially suicide by assassinated.
The virgin 40k skeleton God emperor
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Isn't Letto also a virgin. I don't read all books( latest not), but he became human-worm hybrid on relatively young age. Before that he did not has some love interest ot it is not hinted, that he did it someone. And after he became hybrid, i don't think he could or am i wrong?🤔😬😬Did he...🤨? And if he did...🤨what he banged😬😱😱. God, why i even asked, now this question will haunted me for ever.
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Great video love the content you just got a new subscriber so glad you showed Alia from 1984 kid in this video I always thought she was a creepy kid lol 😆 can't wait to see her in the new dune Leto was always my second favorite character I'm currently reading god emperor of dune again love dune.
The question is whether Dune is really about humanity? The characters are more alien than human. It's like a story of a parasite mutation by attachment, transcription, assembly and independence, though incest.
Imperial Subjects: 'All hail God-Worm, son of Sand Mouse, second of His name!
May he reign long, yet not long enough for us to tire of His guiding and protecting ways!
Praise be to the overbearing UberWorm!'
Leto II: 'Try and do something ultimately beneficial for somebody....Even in my own empire, I get no respect!'
love your stuff, brosef.... appreciate you....
When she asks you if you'd love her if she was a worm, this is what she's referencing.
On the one hand I spoiled the story for myself, but on the other hand I'm way more invested now
[DOOM/Warhammer 40k] What If DOOM And Warhammer 40k Had Same Universe
Thank you for explaining the whole of Leto II existence even as a Ghola
Dictators always believe they do what they do for the greater good. Although I was fascinated with Dune's lore and still engage with it to some extent, the biggest disappointment for me was that Herbert made Leto the worst dictator imaginable and the dictator's delusion the truth. So all of humanity was required to suffer his tyranny for thousands of years for the sake of the future of humanity. Not the best lesson in my book, no matter how it was framed, because it's never good for humanity to put up with such tyrannies.
Reminds me of when I was a kid and there was an episode of Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, where Mandy was a giant worm (in reference to Leto II) and it was full of Dune references in general. It went over my head as a kid, but I often think back to that episode after having seen the previous two Dune movies.
When I saw the title is it bad that I thought of Jared Leto?
Bruh, I was proud of myself for understanding most of the Warhammer timeline and also the halo and star wars timeline but this, this is on another level 😭
I was really hoping you would skip the Brian Herbert ... ehem... "works".
Praying that Denis Villeneuve adapts the entire first three books into film to create a sci-fi magnum opus
Can you explain the central finite curve from rick and morty?
It's a barrier that the Ricks created to separate every infinite reality from the realities that the Ricks were the smartest in their respective universes.