Ned would only be 34 years old here, you guys are crazy if you think he is "Well past his fighting days". Sure he might not be able to execute a front flip 6 times in a row and pull a yoda, but if anything, he's more seasoned and experienced than he has ever been.
@@SunDogGod Ned was good to go against Arthur Dayne as long as he had a friend to stab Dayne in the back when he thought Ned was the only opponent left standing.
Gah, I hated seeing Jory go out like that. At least he took a few of those guards with him. And man can Ned kick some ass! Love that duel between him and Jaime!
Not to necro an old comment, but i don't think Ned had him, just like i don't think jaime had ned. Jaime was a bit surprised that Ned put up such a good resistance. Supposedly Jaime was a better duelist in the books, but in this scene they seem to be quite evenly matched.
@@thedon9247I strongly disagree with this, I think it was the opposite. Jaime Lannister probably never stopped thinking about how Ned Stark killed a man he greatly admired, one of the greatest knights the Seven Kingdoms has ever seen - Ser Arthur Dayne. Jaime was likely disappointed by Ned's fighting skills and was unpleasantly surprised as Jaime believed Ned would be a very tough opponent for him.
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Its really ironic really. The same thing happened in tower of joy. 2 guys against many, and the said 2 guys has the sibling of one of the said many. The 1st guy dies, and the 2nd guy got stabbed behind. Only here, ned survived.
Reading these comments about Neds age and being past his fighting days....Are you all forgetting ser barristan selmys age yet he is still considered one of the best swordsmen, and also im suprised jaime had so much confidence going into this fight(not talking about the book) because other than us, the audience,jaime thinks that ned had beaten arthur dayne previously..... all in all my own opinion i dont think jaime had outmatched ned at all in this scene, infact i think neds skills suprised jaime, and thats why the guard had stabbed ned....... just a thought?
ASSASSIN'S GAMERS Well, not exactly, ned was not the eldest in his family therefore until the death of his older brother did he know he had to rule, by then Ned was already known as a better than average swordsman, but i agree, he was never barristan selmy level or most deffinitely never near ser arthur daynes level.
There are some things to note about the difference between Ned and Jaime. Ned was a battlefield warrior, Jaime was a duelist. Ned to Jaime is like the Hound to Brienne. The Hound would clearly peform better than Brienne in the midst of battle, but Brienne trumps the Hound in a one on one duel. Also note that Ned wasn't using Ice, his valerian steel weapon of choice.
I think the show's character are different in terms of strength than the books. Barristan was indeed surrounded by people at one point in the books and cleaved through them with ease, while in the show it ended the way we saw. Also Jaime, who at this point of the story is considered among the best with Barristan and Loras Tyrell, is strong but not legendary. I think Jaime had admiration for Ned, who in the books was average at fighting, also because he took down the Sword of the Morning, which was in the Kingsguard when he started serving. Anyways in the show the two's strength is much more similar
The Hound vs Brienne and Brienne's victory over Sandor Clegane was solely down to Sandor being underfed and an infected wound. Arya mentions him slowing down an episode or two earlier after receiving the bite wound. I'm not at all saying Brienne is weak. According to book-canon she's one of the best defensive swordsmen in Westeros. However, of the two, Jaime respected Sandor's fighting skill far more than Brienne's. The Strongboar of House Crakehall promised his lady the Hound's head and Jaime outright thinks that despite the Strongboar and the Hound being equally matched in height and strength, the Hound was much faster than his size ought to allow and fights with a savagery that Crakehall could never match.
Go Ned... Holds his own here in this version of the fight, I think he is starting to get the upper hand right at the end and you can see it in Lannisters face.
I loved Jory, too, but didn't he die a little too easily? I mean, I'm sure Jaime is a better fighter than him, but once Jory engaged Jaime, it took like seriously about five seconds for Jaime to kill him. JORRRRRRRRRYYYYYY!!!!!
+Ryan Peterson Ya but Jaime there is literally like 3 people that could compete with Jaime in Westeros. Think about it like Mike Tyson in his prime squaring off with some guy that had 6 or 7 pro fights
Short fights are more realistic, one wrong move and you're dead. Jory made the wrong move to move into a sword lock and letting Jaime pull the lock past him, right into dagger range.. Jory are good, but not many could manage such a fluid dagger strike while in a lock like Jaime did. Jory didn't expect such a well managed move, and died due to his mistake. rip
Al right, when i saw this i thought Ned had the adventage because I was a Stark fan but know it seems to be a fair combat, also it seems that Jaime had fun
I thought this was a Great scene. In the books, all the great swordsmen are portrayed as Jaimie, the Hound, Brienne, and Ser Barristan. But if Ned can hold his own with Jaime, he must not be getting the credit he deserves.
he had nothing to lose, they started it, he was just defending himself ... one possibility they'd all go after him and he'd die second way he would mention their dead master, how there's no sense on their mission and maybe they would just go
Jaime was playing with him. Eddard is no slouch with a sword, but hes old and well past his fighting days. Jaime on the other hand is easily in the top 5 of best swordsmen in Westerous and in his physical prime.
Because Ned is an honorable and likable guy, everyone wants to believe that also translates to being a top swordsman. Jamie was the better man here. All that aside, none of them should be mentioned in the same sentence as Dayne, who's in a league of his own. Cheers
Man I don't know about the books but in the show Jaimi definitely wasn't dominating the fight like so many people want to claim. He starts out playfully, true enough, but look at his face from 2:14 to about 2:24 - he's grimacing and exerting himself to a surprising degree for someone who's "toying" with his opponent. And look at his face from 2:24 until Ned is stabbed - he looks surprised that he's having to fight this hard. I'm not saying Ned is better but FFS Ned is an old man and Jaimi is apparently the greatest warrior in westeros (at this time) in his fucking PRIME. I don't understand how anyone can see this as Jaimi dominating the fight..
Jaime didnt "dominate" this fight per se. He was surprised by Ned, because Ned has more experience, specially at war. But Ned would've likely end up losing, because he's not the better swordsman. He's just the better man.
In the books jaime kills his horse and the fall of the horse breaks neds leg. There's no fight. Ned's men get slayed with not much fight, they are all caught of guard and they arrest ned on the spot.
@IndianaHenryJones20 I'm going from the book, George Martin described Ned as a "competant" swordsman, Ser Barristan couldn't beat Jaime anymore due to the fact that he's getting on in years, Jaime against Barristan in his prime wouldn't stand a chance, however Jaime defeated Selmy in the Hand's Tourney
@Lorhechapol no. there are probably equal. Ser Barristan Selmy was the best warrior during the civil war and Ned was consider to be the second. Jamie Lannister was best in Westeros only because those two retaired from tournament fights.
@cmstophe Yes it is, those 3 could easily 5 v 1 in a typical battle, they were the best swordsmen of the realm by far, fighting against them and escaping with your life is a great feat, 2 to 1 odds aren't that great, it's likely those odds were shortened rather quickly anyway.
Bueno, no necesariamente fue así según el libro, Eddar Stark se rompió la pierna cuando cae su caballo y este lo plasta. No pelea directamente con el M4t4reyes... Pero estuvo bueno su enfrentamiento en la serie de HBO
Where did that come from, that idea that Ned is an old man ? He's only a few years older than Jaime. In the book, he's 35, no more, and the show made him only a few years older, maybe 39, no more than 40. That's not what I call an old man well pas his prime. And come on, "past his prime"... Ever heard of Barristan cut-five-of-you-like-carving-a-cake Selmy ?
That doesn’t make any sense. If anything, Selmey’s stats would indicate he would cut through them like water, in his prime. And Ned- if he is 39, is still past his bodies prime because while that’s not old, 29 is closer to a peak, plus he hasn’t fought in years leaving him to rusty, out of shape, and lacking that eye of the tiger he had during war.
@Lorhechapol Oh I agree, theres no doubt he is a class above Ned as a swordsman. Ned is a scrapper however and although not be as skilled as Jaime he knows how to win a fight. The way it is portrayed here seems to suggest they are cancelling each other out, so to speak.
I think Jamie underestimated Ned. That's why he was smiling an such when the fight first began,but as it progresses it dawns on him Ned is giving him a run for his money. I think if the fight progressed it would have got nasty, but I think Jamie age would have given him the edge. It pains me to say so,cause I'm a hardened Stark of winterfell. ...but two handed Jamie an Jon..well that's a fight I would like to have seen
never understood why that kingsgaurd put a spear through Neds leg there is not a single fight in the show that does this it just seems out of context if you look at other fights in the show
Seeing Arthur Dayne fight in the show i think anybody could beat him. (of course not the ones in the scene, they were to busy dropping shields and not attacking him)
am i the only i amused by all these debates arguing who is a better imaginary fighter in a fiction? and for the love of George RR Martin, read/watch GoT the way meant to be read/watch - ned was lying on the ground with a spear in his leg while jaime rode away unharmed and delivered the realest threat to the people who captured his brother. ned lost this one, no matter how good a fighter he could have been.
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When you're fighting a 1v1 in For Honor and your teammate jumps in and fucks the fun
lol
"Take him alive"
Guard instantly thrusts spear towards face
Legend has it Lord Baelish is still out to bring the city watch.
This is THE best revision the television series has made so far. Ned vs. Jaime is EPIC.
Jaime at 2:38. "The f**k you interfere with my fight for? What the f**k?" 2:39. That right there is the biggest smug p***k in King's Landing.
Marry me
Ned would only be 34 years old here, you guys are crazy if you think he is "Well past his fighting days". Sure he might not be able to execute a front flip 6 times in a row and pull a yoda, but if anything, he's more seasoned and experienced than he has ever been.
yeah i know im 6 years late to this comment, but yeah ned is only like 1 or 2 years older than jamie
They’re aged up a bit in the show. Joffrey mentions that Jaimie is over 40 at one point
Ned was one of the best fighters but he was nothing compared to Jamie and Arthur Dayne
@@SunDogGod Ned was good to go against Arthur Dayne as long as he had a friend to stab Dayne in the back when he thought Ned was the only opponent left standing.
Ned and Jaime are pretty much the same age. But the actors are 11years apart.
knowing dayne got stabbed in the back made this scene even more powerful thinking how Ned must’ve felt he somehow deserved it.
Gah, I hated seeing Jory go out like that. At least he took a few of those guards with him.
And man can Ned kick some ass! Love that duel between him and Jaime!
@@itsMasric hasn’t been said enough. It sucked watching jory go out like that. And it was similar but i think even worse on books
So annoying, was way braver then he needed to be
Ned was not the better swordsman.
He was just the better man.
Jaime was getting nervous. Lord Stark had him you could tell by the face Jaime was making before he got stabbed
Ned didnt have him at all.
Jaime sobrevalorado @@GhANeC
Not to necro an old comment, but i don't think Ned had him, just like i don't think jaime had ned. Jaime was a bit surprised that Ned put up such a good resistance. Supposedly Jaime was a better duelist in the books, but in this scene they seem to be quite evenly matched.
@@thedon9247I strongly disagree with this, I think it was the opposite. Jaime Lannister probably never stopped thinking about how Ned Stark killed a man he greatly admired, one of the greatest knights the Seven Kingdoms has ever seen - Ser Arthur Dayne. Jaime was likely disappointed by Ned's fighting skills and was unpleasantly surprised as Jaime believed Ned would be a very tough opponent for him.
@@joshdauberman1267it doesn’t look like Jaime was playing with him. It looked like a pretty even fight
It's quite impressive. Martin's such a good storyteller that you believe what you see just as much as the characters do.
Jaime actually respected Ned because Ned had defeated Ser Arthur according to him
Not sure what Hollywood thinks is accomplished by slashing away with a sword at a body part that's covered by plate armor.
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if only we had got to see a rematch
Jamie was enjoying himself here, he was fighting a worthy opponent
Its really ironic really.
The same thing happened in tower of joy.
2 guys against many, and the said 2 guys has the sibling of one of the said many.
The 1st guy dies, and the 2nd guy got stabbed behind.
Only here, ned survived.
Reading these comments about Neds age and being past his fighting days....Are you all forgetting ser barristan selmys age yet he is still considered one of the best swordsmen, and also im suprised jaime had so much confidence going into this fight(not talking about the book) because other than us, the audience,jaime thinks that ned had beaten arthur dayne previously..... all in all my own opinion i dont think jaime had outmatched ned at all in this scene, infact i think neds skills suprised jaime, and thats why the guard had stabbed ned....... just a thought?
barristan was trained just to fight however eddard was made to rule.
ASSASSIN'S GAMERS Well, not exactly, ned was not the eldest in his family therefore until the death of his older brother did he know he had to rule, by then Ned was already known as a better than average swordsman, but i agree, he was never barristan selmy level or most deffinitely never near ser arthur daynes level.
There are some things to note about the difference between Ned and Jaime.
Ned was a battlefield warrior, Jaime was a duelist. Ned to Jaime is like the Hound to Brienne.
The Hound would clearly peform better than Brienne in the midst of battle, but Brienne trumps the Hound in a one on one duel.
Also note that Ned wasn't using Ice, his valerian steel weapon of choice.
I think the show's character are different in terms of strength than the books. Barristan was indeed surrounded by people at one point in the books and cleaved through them with ease, while in the show it ended the way we saw.
Also Jaime, who at this point of the story is considered among the best with Barristan and Loras Tyrell, is strong but not legendary. I think Jaime had admiration for Ned, who in the books was average at fighting, also because he took down the Sword of the Morning, which was in the Kingsguard when he started serving.
Anyways in the show the two's strength is much more similar
The Hound vs Brienne and Brienne's victory over Sandor Clegane was solely down to Sandor being underfed and an infected wound. Arya mentions him slowing down an episode or two earlier after receiving the bite wound.
I'm not at all saying Brienne is weak. According to book-canon she's one of the best defensive swordsmen in Westeros. However, of the two, Jaime respected Sandor's fighting skill far more than Brienne's.
The Strongboar of House Crakehall promised his lady the Hound's head and Jaime outright thinks that despite the Strongboar and the Hound being equally matched in height and strength, the Hound was much faster than his size ought to allow and fights with a savagery that Crakehall could never match.
Go back to the doors, when you defend against multple enemies. Especially when they have spears , that are hard to manouver inside.
Go Ned...
Holds his own here in this version of the fight, I think he is starting to get the upper hand right at the end and you can see it in Lannisters face.
And the someone put 20 people in front of Ned,this proves that Ned was elite swordsman
I loved Jory, too, but didn't he die a little too easily? I mean, I'm sure Jaime is a better fighter than him, but once Jory engaged Jaime, it took like seriously about five seconds for Jaime to kill him. JORRRRRRRRRYYYYYY!!!!!
+Ryan Peterson Ya but Jaime there is literally like 3 people that could compete with Jaime in Westeros. Think about it like Mike Tyson in his prime squaring off with some guy that had 6 or 7 pro fights
Whell, I remember reading about sword fightting, it was like box, a lot of luck and skills, and the fights last only seconds
footie929 but I thought the big thing about Mike Tyson other than the ear thing is that he lost his title to some nobody
Short fights are more realistic, one wrong move and you're dead. Jory made the wrong move to move into a sword lock and letting Jaime pull the lock past him, right into dagger range..
Jory are good, but not many could manage such a fluid dagger strike while in a lock like Jaime did. Jory didn't expect such a well managed move, and died due to his mistake.
rip
Because here Jaime fought without honor.
It all happened differently in the book.
Ned was better here,Jamie Would have lost without help
Ned was aiming to defend himself completely. Jaime was aiming to capture Ned.
Al right, when i saw this i thought Ned had the adventage because I was a Stark fan but know it seems to be a fair combat, also it seems that Jaime had fun
I thought this was a Great scene. In the books, all the great swordsmen are portrayed as Jaimie, the Hound, Brienne, and Ser Barristan. But if Ned can hold his own with Jaime, he must not be getting the credit he deserves.
Don't forget, Jaime was aiming to capture Ned, not kill him.
What would Ned do tho if jaime was killed there. He'd be surrounded by like 10 lannister men
he had nothing to lose, they started it, he was just defending himself ...
one possibility they'd all go after him and he'd die
second way he would mention their dead master, how there's no sense on their mission and maybe they would just go
That prove how Jamie care for his Sibling 😊
Jaime was playing with him. Eddard is no slouch with a sword, but hes old and well past his fighting days. Jaime on the other hand is easily in the top 5 of best swordsmen in Westerous and in his physical prime.
Dayne was the best sword ever though
if you look at Jaime's face at the end of the dual you can see that Jaime is not playing with him and is trying @ 2:25
Because Ned is an honorable and likable guy, everyone wants to believe that also translates to being a top swordsman. Jamie was the better man here. All that aside, none of them should be mentioned in the same sentence as Dayne, who's in a league of his own. Cheers
good thing the loser lost his hand :D
Jaime was literally clenching the teeth. How could he be just playing.
Lol
Jaime would off cook his old ass 😂
Man I don't know about the books but in the show Jaimi definitely wasn't dominating the fight like so many people want to claim. He starts out playfully, true enough, but look at his face from 2:14 to about 2:24 - he's grimacing and exerting himself to a surprising degree for someone who's "toying" with his opponent. And look at his face from 2:24 until Ned is stabbed - he looks surprised that he's having to fight this hard. I'm not saying Ned is better but FFS Ned is an old man and Jaimi is apparently the greatest warrior in westeros (at this time) in his fucking PRIME. I don't understand how anyone can see this as Jaimi dominating the fight..
Jaime didnt "dominate" this fight per se.
He was surprised by Ned, because Ned has more experience, specially at war.
But Ned would've likely end up losing, because he's not the better swordsman.
He's just the better man.
In the books jaime kills his horse and the fall of the horse breaks neds leg. There's no fight. Ned's men get slayed with not much fight, they are all caught of guard and they arrest ned on the spot.
@IndianaHenryJones20 I'm going from the book, George Martin described Ned as a "competant" swordsman, Ser Barristan couldn't beat Jaime anymore due to the fact that he's getting on in years, Jaime against Barristan in his prime wouldn't stand a chance, however Jaime defeated Selmy in the Hand's Tourney
Theater didnt even fight in the books... eddard fell from his horse and broke his leg while the skirmish.
@Lorhechapol no. there are probably equal. Ser Barristan Selmy was the best warrior during the civil war and Ned was consider to be the second. Jamie Lannister was best in Westeros only because those two retaired from tournament fights.
@cmstophe Yes it is, those 3 could easily 5 v 1 in a typical battle, they were the best swordsmen of the realm by far, fighting against them and escaping with your life is a great feat, 2 to 1 odds aren't that great, it's likely those odds were shortened rather quickly anyway.
As per show,it was battle of equals with no clear winner. Ned being old person was getting tired but he was matching every move.
Bueno, no necesariamente fue así según el libro, Eddar Stark se rompió la pierna cuando cae su caballo y este lo plasta. No pelea directamente con el M4t4reyes... Pero estuvo bueno su enfrentamiento en la serie de HBO
your can see that they are even swordsmen... jaime is faster, ned is more powerful...
@cmstophe Yet he was one of only two survivors verses 3 of the best of the kingsguard in the rebellion.
Where did that come from, that idea that Ned is an old man ? He's only a few years older than Jaime. In the book, he's 35, no more, and the show made him only a few years older, maybe 39, no more than 40. That's not what I call an old man well pas his prime.
And come on, "past his prime"... Ever heard of Barristan cut-five-of-you-like-carving-a-cake Selmy ?
That doesn’t make any sense. If anything, Selmey’s stats would indicate he would cut through them like water, in his prime. And Ned- if he is 39, is still past his bodies prime because while that’s not old, 29 is closer to a peak, plus he hasn’t fought in years leaving him to rusty, out of shape, and lacking that eye of the tiger he had during war.
@Lorhechapol Oh I agree, theres no doubt he is a class above Ned as a swordsman. Ned is a scrapper however and although not be as skilled as Jaime he knows how to win a fight.
The way it is portrayed here seems to suggest they are cancelling each other out, so to speak.
I think Sir Arthur Dayne should fight Jamie
I think Jamie underestimated Ned. That's why he was smiling an such when the fight first began,but as it progresses it dawns on him Ned is giving him a run for his money. I think if the fight progressed it would have got nasty, but I think Jamie age would have given him the edge. It pains me to say so,cause I'm a hardened Stark of winterfell. ...but two handed Jamie an Jon..well that's a fight I would like to have seen
never understood why that kingsgaurd put a spear through Neds leg there is not a single fight in the show that does this
it just seems out of context if you look at other fights in the show
he said take him alive.
Daario20 ! He's not kingsguard
This scene, like all others, is 10x better in the books.
yeah this is hilarious
I dont think I was clear with this comment lol. I mean the EVENT was better in the book, imo. I wasn't implying that they had a duel in the book.
The books are far better. Learn to read b*tch a*s P*ssy Anando Mia.
Anando Mia The keks are strong with this one...
"The books are better"
yeah, everyone knows it already. a book gives more indepth of the scenes, of course it's "better"
stop being that guy
Seeing Arthur Dayne fight I dont think either one of these could beat him 1 on 1
Neither 5 on 1
Seeing Arthur Dayne fight in the show i think anybody could beat him.
(of course not the ones in the scene, they were to busy dropping shields and not attacking him)
@FitzNugly Jaime is just suprised, he's much better than Ned
Stark ya tenía ganado el duelo
not quite how it went in the books, but not a bad scene at all.
Jory ='(
The fight choreography went downhill so steadily after the first season imo
Just like the plot writing got worse with every season
I was vouching for Jaimie in the scene because Jaimie was fighting for Tyrion . Tyrion is my favorite.
But Jaimie is half the reason Tyrion’s in his mess, so if anything you should vouch for Stark because he’s fighting the dude that framed Tyrion.
@tenor529
In the book Jaime and Eddard would never fight cause Jaime is a way better swordsman than Ned. I like Ned's character better though but just saying
am i the only i amused by all these debates arguing who is a better imaginary fighter in a fiction?
and for the love of George RR Martin, read/watch GoT the way meant to be read/watch - ned was lying on the ground with a spear in his leg while jaime rode away unharmed and delivered the realest threat to the people who captured his brother. ned lost this one, no matter how good a fighter he could have been.
Jamies advantage was youth. That was what could have turned the fight to 51% in him winning
Jaime tiene una cara de estar pasando algún que otro apuro. En cambio Ned tiene cara d estar concentrado.
Creo que esto era claramente de Ned.