Maester Aemon died older ( the actor was 93) and in his own bed. It was the most shocking GOT death yet: no poison, no cut throat, no pillow over his face - he just faded away.
Out of everyone in the show, Tywin really had the perfect downfall. All his life as a father, his single biggest flaw was never his ignorance of what Cersei and Jaime were doing in the bedroom, but his ignorance of the truth that Tyrion was the exact heir he'd always wanted. Calculating and intelligent, ruthless and fierce when necessary, serving the family's best interests even if they despise him for it, and much more sympathetic, loving and kind than Tywin ever was. But all that ever mattered to Tywin was the fact Tyrion was a dwarf and his wife died birthing him, thus he treated him like a monster, forcing Tyrion to turn to drinking and whoring as a coping mechanism. House Lannister was doomed the moment Tywin sentenced Tyrion to death.
Tywin's death is one of the few villains that shocked me. He was like the final boss, always a step ahead, steady and his enemies would fall easily and his death would have to be like in the final seasons in an epic way. Instead it was halfway and him taking a dump. It felt so sudden to see someone like him fall so humiliating. It's those rare moment
His one weakness was his hatred for Tyrion. Despite the fact Tyrion was by far his most capable heir, he still hated him. All he had to do was give Tyrion a little bit of respect and he could've avoided this fate.
Plus, Tywin dying causes a sequence of events that lead to the downfall of what could have been a very peaceful rule with Tommen and Margaery on the throne. Tyrion is an unwitting instigator of doom.
Yeah but most of his speeches were hypocritical as Tyrion’s points out during the one scene. He gives a good lesson about “the house that puts family over the wishes of its individual members is generally the house that wins” and yet Tyrion can’t help but laugh and says “When have you done anything that wasn’t in your own best interest” and there’s so much truth to that, sure some things he did were “for the greater good” but a lot of it was selfish decisions for personal gain that just happened to also benefit the Lannisters in turn, and some of it was just selfish and unproductive like what he did to both the women Tyrion loved (tysha and shae) sleeping with shae wasn’t for the “good of the family” it was just Sadistic and selfish.
@@MrBubblecake It's poetically put how it all ends. Ned's decision to protect his family and teach them to love each other starts out as disgraced 'traitor' to the realm and eventually lead to a lasting legacy he never intended with many friends and foes who speak of his devotion to honor. His children became royalty and garnered respect many parts of the realm. Because of who he was, his honorable reputation in life is always constantly aided his surviving kids and people would risk their lives even after the Starks are dead and defeated in order to save the ones who remain. All while Tywin's constant preaching of legacy to better his house's name becomes a absolute joke that is quickly remembered only in the manner he died, taking crossbolts from a son he tries to kill while taking a dump. People refuse to enter his funeral in the books because his stench reeked the church and people will forever make fun of the Lannister's fall from grace with a humiliated queen, dead incest children and handicapped men.
@@JeffCJY To be fair, he did take care of his house by advancing it's position. He made Cersei queen by consistenty forcing her to marry into royalty. He waged war for house Lannister because Tyrion was a member who was wrongfully arrested. He continued to wage war and rooting his house in the middle of Westeros politics until they are the most powerful one by the end of the first part of Wot5K. His major flaw was the hypocrisy of helping only the house in name but never it's members. Cersei is a miserable spoiled woman who's only major importance to Tywin is who she marries and who she breeds but had no qualifications in ruling and ends up causing their downfall when Tywin is no longer there to delegate for her. Jaime having no ambition and content with being who he wants to be goes against his house by agreeing to being a Kingsguard, refusing to be heir and committing incest that led to being in conflict with the Starks. Tyrion is self explanatory and the most obvious of Tywin's lack of familial empathy; he's the one who's the most abused, have been constantly tried to get killed and humiliated to the point where he literally becomes Tywin's doom. He never cared for his children in the way Ned did and that's the reason why house Lannister lost. Their house legacy is the same as their house words, "Hear me roar" nothing more than a majestic projection that doesn't last. All because Tywin had a illusion of what legacy was.
It's beautiful how Tywin is trying to manipulate him. 1. "You've wanted me dead." ... "Yes." - He is not denying it anymore to set a tone of being truthful. 2. "You've refused to die. I respect that. Even admire it..." - Trying to twist that and create a positive connection between the two. 3. "I'd never let them execute you." - After establishing his truthfulness and some positivity he says what he thinks Tyrion wants to hear. 4. "You're a Lannister." - Family connection. 5. "You're my son." - He has fought all his life against that notion even saying that he wished he could prove that to not be true. --"I murdered her." - Tywin realizes Tyrion has already killed and that stakes are higher than he suspected. -- 6. "Doesn't matter." - Downplaying it. He's trying to lead Tyrion into thinking that there is a way out of it without killing him. 7. "She was a whore." - Trying to remove the throw the connection Tyrion had with Shae into doubt, lessen it. 8. "And you'll kill your own father in the privy? No. You're my son." - Again he brings up that they are family while at the same time trying to force Tyrion to imagine the act of patricide. 9. "Now enough of this nonsense." - Trying to take control away from Tyrion. 10. "We go back to my chambers and speak with some dignity." - He has no answer to Tyrion's question so he makes a play to gain control of the situation. All he needs is for Tyrion to let him stand up. 11. "You're afraid of a dead whore." - Convinced he has gained control over Tyrion to some extent he tries to solidify it. It fails. 12. "You're no son of mine." - The truth comes out of Tywin's mouth. Of course, he would let them kill Tyrion. Now, would the Tysha thing be better? Yes. Is this exceptionally well written? Yes.
It doesn't make sense for Tywin to think he's in control. Tyrion kept pointing at him and never responded to the familiar excuses Tywin said. He is: “We are family Tyrion” and Tyrion: …. Okay?…
@@frollo5332 I disagree. Tywin had an inflated ego, and furthermore, constantly underestimated his son. Combine those two negative traits and it's easy to see how Tywin could delude himself into thinking he's in control.
Only thing wrong with it is those two bolts wouldn't have killed him that quickly being hit where he was. Should have given him one in the stomach to disable him and then one straight in center of chest
What an excellent breakdown of this, watching this I thought it was expertly written and acted. Just wanted to say I appreciate you taking the time for this analysis, it was cool to see it all put into words! GoT is full of lots of fantastic dialogue and acting, but I think this is one of the best sequences I've ever seen in any form of media. Every single word he utters here is important and is so carefully directed and written.
I love how Tywin can see that Tyrion is serious, and cleverly almost talks him out of it. He is begging for his life, but in a way that is so calculated and nuanced it's almost unnoticeable.
Another detail: For all of his disdain towards his father Tytos, Tywin sure as hell imitated him, like mourning his wife and never marrying again, cavorting with whores and eager to earn the approval of others by raising House Lannister to be a 1000 year old dynasty.
We've all heard someone say that honour is not a quality that'll serve you well in GoT. Ned Stark is often ridiculed for clinging to honour even in the face of insurmountable odds. But look at what became of all those who lived without honour, killed by their own loved ones whileas Ned's children fought for him and cherished his memories their entire lives. Honour has its value, one only needs to see.
I noticed that the great downfall of a lot of characters in the story resides in weather or not they hold true to their beliefs. Ned forgoes his honor to prevent a war or his children's death by falsely confessing before he's executed. Tywin claims to put family first but dies by abusing his son to the breaking point. Khal drogo listens to a woman and breaks taboo which results in a duel that leads to infection and death. Allister thorne betrays his watch commander and oath leading to his execution. Rob breaks a promise to marry a frey and pays the price. Walder frey murders the starks at the wedding leading to his own death. Theres a ton of others too, basically if you go against your word you're taken out by fate and irony unless you're inherently disloyal like little finger or the spider, I'm not counting the final 2 seasons. This trend of strict adherence to one's belief is all over the series and explains why certain characters thrive as well. Bronn is a sell sword for example and never falters even when friendship or sentiment are involved, no doubt the mountain would have killed him anyway simply on the grounds of him breaking his characters foundations like the others do. My personal theory any way. I love the theory too because of the fact that Jon adheres to his oaths so fervently and to the letter that despite everyone thinking he's lost his mind and broken his oath he technically never does, his allowance of the freefolk to cross the border doesn't break oaths, in fact its reinforcing them as he's guarding the realm of men including them, making his resurrection effectively a universal course correction.
Agreed. Ned gets a lot of flak, he was not nearly as foolish as his son Robb. He knew what needed to be done, he could have won the game if he wished, but his honor prevented it. He couldn’t live with himself had he won that way. And I respect that.
And in the show, who was it that ultimately won the Game of Thrones? Whose children ended up on the thrones of the North and the Capital? Truthfulness and integrity may take a long time to win out, but they ultimately do because that which is real is lasting, that which is not (such as Tywin and everyone else's lies, deception, trickery and vanity) isn't because it doesn't exist in and of itself; it requires a fuel or source to sustain it, and therefore, cannot ultimately last.
Now imagine how truly unstoppable the Lannister family would’ve been had Tywin actually treated Tyrion with the love, care and direction that he so neglectfully denied him for years.
@@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940 He could've been an even better person with his family's support. He was a dwarf regardless of what his father or sister thought of him, so he was always in for a difficult life no matter what. He would've never been a spoiled cunt like Joffrey or Cersei. Tywin and Cersei hated him and he still protected their interests as much as he could (until they actively tried to kill him). Imagine what they would've gotten by loving him and supporting him. He didn't grow up smart and caring because of his family's abuse, he did it in spite of it.
I think Tywin meant it as he might believe Tyrion is the child of an affair between the mad king and his wife. Explains why the dragons didn't kill Tyrion. Thought the twist at the end was he would be outed as a Targeryan but...season 7 and 8.
@@roush26 That's a rough theory but GRRM making Tyrion real son of Tywin is so much better, Tywin was manipulating Tyrion the whole conversation and the tone after being shot is actually the truth, a blinded rage and hate to his son where truth comes out, You're no son of mine, regardless of truth or proof even if Joana never did anything with Aerys, he still hates him so much that he cannot make himself believe it is his son
@@fragsties4118 Exactly. Tywin hates Tyrion bc he's a mirror of himself. Tyrion is the smartest and most capable of his three children and yet he's a dwarf. Make Tyrion a Targaryen and it completely ruins the dynamic between them and even retroactively ruins the "you are no son of mine" line.
i love how tyrion warned him not to say it again, giving tywin a chance when he already knows tywin WILL slip up and say it again. It's like he's shit talking his father lol. He doesn't HESITATE to shoot him the next time, despite the disgraceful death he's giving his own dad. He lets the shot go quicker than we can comprehend, hinting that Tyrion made up his mind long before the encounter. Genius screenwriting.
@@marcoanonymous8434 The Tyrion/Jaime/Tysha arc was fucked in the show, and I also far prefer the Blackfish's talk with Jaime in the books. Also, no dumb feminist shit like Brienne beating up Sandor.
@@TheStraightestWhitest TV-show have a hard time competing with the original books. Books that are a succes are, generally speaking, pieces with numerous characters that all have their different insights. You can never put that down in a TV-show.
@@Isabelle-hv6ny A woman, even a tall one, wouldn't overpower a man like that. If she'd have beaten him through sheer swordplay because she had far superior gear and he was fatigued and famished from his infection, then maybe I could buy it. But there's a reason this didn't happen in the books. Sandor and Gregor are even from Jaime's POV among the most dangerous men he's ever known. He considers them among a very exclusive club of being a potential threat to himself.
Its a interesting scene. Tywin senses his sons hesitation and tries changing tact a little. But he doesn't quite gauge tyrions mindset here, he almost talks him down but doesn't understand how much tyrion loved shae.
yeah i believe if tywin only didn't put shae into betraying tyrion and also didn't slept with her tyrion would have forgive his father's life even if tywin tried to have him excecute ,like some say sometimes a good ass and pussy has a lot of power
@@thewhitedoncheadle8345 well you're the sort of guy to make weak bants on Christmas day instead of anything else at all. I'd dunk on you but I suspect life's already done that.
Yeah but the Shae thing is fucking stupid. If they kept the Tysha reveal, it would have made WAYYY more sense. I recommend that you watch that video about Tysha and why they shouldn't have gotten rid of it.
I honestly don't for a second believe that tywin actually respects anything about tyrion. He's reading the situation and is saying what he thinks tyrion needs to hear so he doenst pull the trigger. Who knows what tywin would have done to tyrion if he let him live here
I love that Tywin knew Tyrion was serious, but his condescension gets him killed anyway. The zoom in at 0:26 shows that Tyrion’s hands aren’t shaking and Tywin notices it. He’s saying everything he thinks Tyrion wants to here (“You’re my son, you’re a Lannister, I wouldn’t let them kill you…”). But he can’t help showing his true colors. It’s hilarious to me how easily, “What, afraid of a dead whore?” slips off his tongue. You can tell he says it almost without thinking, so used to being prideful and dismissive. Then BAP! Fuck around and find out. He drops the act entirely when he realizes he’s done for and has to throw in one last cheap shot that completely goes against the lies he tried to sell just seconds before. Shows that too much arrogance overcomes even the highest intelligence in the end.
Tyrion's finger clenched. The crossbow whanged just as Lord Tywin started to rise. The bolt slammed into him above the groin and he sat back down with a grunt. The quarrel had sunk deep, right to the fletching. Blood seeped out around the shaft, dripping down into his pubic hair and over his bare thighs. "You shot me," he said incredulously, his eyes glassy with shock. "You always were quick to grasp a situation, my lord," Tyrion said. "That must be why you're the Hand of the King." "You... you are no... no son of mine." "Now that's where you're wrong, Father. Why, I believe I'm you writ small. Do me a kindness now, and die quickly. I have a ship to catch." For once, his father did what Tyrion asked him. The proof was the sudden stench, as his bowels loosened in the moment of death. Well, he was in the right place for it, Tyrion thought. But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie. Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold.
@@ShowTheOreo That's because in the book, he was in a completely different state of mind. He got into a huge argument with Jaime who just revealed the truth about his first wedding, and Tyrion pretty much gave up all hope of anything. He was despondent (even more than the show) and gave no sh*ts when he shot him, in the book's version. I still prefer the show's version though, even with the different Jaime situation.
The last lines from Tyrion before killing Tywin "I am your son. I have always been your son" cut deep. Tyrion understands and knows Tywin understands that out of all his children Tyrion was truly the son Tywin always wanted as a heir, someone that matches his mindset almost equally, but his dwarfism and his mother dying from birth kept Tywin from accepting it, giving Tywin a major flaw. Truly tragic.
None of his children are what Tywin wants. None of them are as intelligent as him, not even Tyrion (we see how much he fails as Daenerys hands), or as good as in war & strategy like him. Jaime & Cersei both failed. Tywin liked Arya more than all his children lmao
@@kirak1561 Jaime was the child Tywin wanted, he certanly wasn't smart as Tyrion, but he could be a decent lord. But Jaime becomes a kingsguard, so no titles and no heirs for him, just the honor of protect the king. I don't think Tyrion fails as a hand of the king, at least not the Tyrion from the books. That's the problem (or one of the problems) with the series, the writers simply didn't know how to keep the wit of the more cunning characters who drove the plot in the first half, like Tyrion, Littlefinger and Varys.
@@kirak1561 Tyrion made many mistakes when it came to Dany's campaign, but she bears just as much blame, and possibly more, for routinely ignoring his advice and continuing to mete out draconian punishments on her enemies. He did everything he could to reign in her worst impulses but every time she flatly refused to listen. Arguably his biggest mistake was placing his faith in her to begin with.
I feel so bad for Tyrion in this scene. The level of betrayal and loss he is attempting to process and unload is epic. He looks like he's sleepwalking through all of it, apologizing to Shae, a numbing conversation with his father, who hated him for reasons completely beyond his control. He looks so exhausted and sad throughout it all, and there is no joy in any of it. The fact that this show's decline began soon after makes it worse. So much worse. This was the end of the Tyrian we loved. And it's heart breaking.
In some ways I kind of do, but in other ways, Tywin made some of his rules pretty damn clear, like not bringing Shae, and despite knowing how his father is, or his opinion of Tyrion, he still disobeys this order, just showing how out of control Tyrion can get or at least his father thinks he is. He had a real opportunity to show Tywin what he could do, and Tywin knew he wasn't stupid, but Tyrion was always a bit sheisty when it came to certain things about his father, like he intentionally wanted to go against him just to pull hairs. I do feel bad for Tyrion generally, because Tywin is obviously pathological, but he tends to find his own excuses for his problems rather then accept the truth.
@@98cents as much as I agree to that but you can clearly see here that as much as Tywin tried to pretend and act like he thought of Tyrion as his son,he always blamed him for killing his mother and the love of his life and always hated it for it so no matter how much Tyrion obeyed him or tried to please his father; Tywin ,as cold of a man as he was would never forget that his own imp son was responsible for the death of the only person who reminded him of what it was to be human, his wife. So no I'm sorry I don't think a man of Tywin's personality would ever accept Tyrion for what he was and ..and Tyrion knew that ... This relationship is so complex it would only be comprehensible for a person who was in one of their shoes..but your view is quite meaningful in my opinion.
@@zigmeesherpa4488 This scene isn't indicative of how Tywin would have act had things been different. They had gone back and forth so much by this point that it was well and truly ruined, but Tywin was a lot less hostile towards Tyrion in season 1-3 where most of these opportunities happened. No one will say that they hated the scene with Tywin complimenting Tyrion when all of his generals, and even Jaime, were fucking up. We knew Tywin was a hard man, but this was a complete 180 and not in character for him, and you could tell even Tyrion was somewhat surprised at this offer and opportunity. In no uncertain terms, do not bring Shae. He did it anyway and she was the domino that tipped the rest. We will never know if Tywin would have come to accept Tyrion, but the evidence is strong that he would have had a much different opinion if Tyrion wasn't constantly disobeying him in one way or another. Still, this isn't meant to sweep anything Tywin did to Tyrion under the rug, and he is obviously not the greatest of fathers or the nicest of men, but we see his soft side in many situations, like when he deals with Arya, and you can almost forgive him when you take a look, rationally, at how Tyrion acted around him. Though, I suppose it is worth mentioning, and something I just remembered, that Tyrion does tell the story about his fiancé to Shae, how his father was involved and what he did. It's interesting, because I feel like the sole reason this story exists and is told is to make Tyrions decision to disobey his father and bring Shae later understandable. It's hard to blast a character like Tyrion because he's so likable, relatable, etc etc, but I still believe a lot of the harm that happens to him he does to himself. He is deeply flawed character who hides behind his humor, so regardless of how much we might like him, we should accept that.
The fact that they change his storyline so much from the books means that all of that character building never paid off in any meaningful way, which is a total shame because book tyrion was so wonderfully evil and twisted in book 5 it would have made great TV seeing the character everyone had grown to love completely fall off the deep end
yeah it also would have stung alot more if it was about Tysha. Why would Tyrion care about Tywin calling Shae a whore? she was a whore and she betrayed him. Tysha actually loved him and her being a whore was a lie created by Tywin
I love how Tywin says, "Now enough of this nonsense." After Tyrion said he just murdered Shae. Tywin biggest flaw was how he dismissed Tyrion. He always treated him as lesser than Jamie or Cersei even though Tyrion is the most like him out of all of them. He was probably the best schemer in the show. He is the guy who took down Robb and was single handily keeping the Lannisters afloat. But Tryion was his one oversight. He never saw that Tyrion was the one son he always wanted. Smart and loyal. But he always saw as an annoyance and an embarrassment. Someone who would never achieve much. Even with a crossbow pointed at him he still abuses Tyrion. He brings up his wife and calls her a whore to hurt him. He even seems shocked that Tyrion would actually pull the trigger.
That's NOTHING compared to the book equivalent of this conservation, where Tyrion is out for vengeance over the cruelest act of Tywin's life, after learning the truth from Jaime about the Tysha affair, and even when confronted with the fact that Tyrion knows he was lying, Tywin remains just as belligerent as ever. Rather than the casual "You're afraid of a dead whore?" being what sets Tyrion off, it's the snide "Wherever whores go" in reference to Tysha, who was not a whore and was just an innocent common woman brutalized by Tywin, that drives Tyrion over the edge. It's the ultimate example of how Tywin's relentless cruelty and hatred of Tyrion never once relented, not even when his life was on the line.
@@Eluarelon I don't understand the McMahon reference. But my point was that Robb made himself an easy target by breaking his agreement with the Freys, and not realizing that his cause was lost after the Lannisters beat Stannis.
- Robb Stark. Genious strategist, honorable lord, loved by the people. Died because he chose love over diplomacy. - Renly Baratheon. Fierce warrior, noble knight. Died because he hated his brother too much to negotiate with him. - Tywin Lannister. The greatest mastermind in Westeros, won the War of the Five Kings from a losing position, made the Lannisters the strongest house in Westeros. Died because of his hatred towards his son. When emotion takes over sense and rationality, invincible leaders begin to die.
Renly's description doesn't really match. You sure you didn't mean Stannis? That seems to fit him more. Renly was never really described as a fighter, more a charismatic & bright personality that a lot people liked. I'm sure he could fight some but he was green in war and never won a battle. Also Stannis was never really willing to negotiate, it was either throw away his claim or die. Renly died because he was in way over his head with what he threw himself into. Robert was a man of glory, Stannis was a man of duty, & Renly was a man of the people.
"I have always been your son" hits so hard because it heavily implied at least in the books that Tyrion was the only child of his that was capable of being as formidable as tywin himself. This is evident in the books in a Jamie chapter where his aunt alludes that men like tywin and tyrion only come every thousand years.
This scene is so much better in the books. “You . . . you are no . . . no son of mine.” “Now that’s where you’re wrong, Father. Why, I believe I’m you writ small. Do me a kindness now, and die quickly. I have a ship to catch.”
@@onepangaean3018 because it makes zero sense. Tyrion kills his father over Shae who literally betrayed him and lied on him and used him gold , jewels and furthering her own position??? No. In the books Tyrion kills Tywin because Jaime tells Tyrion after he frees him that his first wife Tysha wasn’t really a whore and was really just a girl chance met on the road who truly loved Tyrion. Tywin commanded Jaime to lie to Tyrion and tell him she was a whore to teach him a sharp lesson then afterwards gave her to be gang r*ped by his men. He agonizes over the thoughts of Tysha through the entire book. So it makes sense that he kills Tywin paired with the fact he ordered his execution
@@Ivorysky00 well, even without the whole Tysha thing, condemning your innocent son to death, after despising him his whole life for no logical reason at all is enough to be wanted dead, i think😅
Tywin also killed his own father for destroying the Lannister house. He is simply doing what his own father did to his grandfather. Ironically, Tyrion is actually the perfection and refinement of Tywin, despite his physical appearance.
I'm pissed too. Why remove the Tysha confession? It not only alters Tyrion's character arc, but Jaime's too. Not to mention, what Tywin did to Tysha would have really set Tyrion off much more than this, especially when he kills Tywin for calling Shae a w****. I mean, come on... That's what gets Tyrion killer instincts on? I mean, that doesn't make sense since Shae is literally is one, not just as profession, but she just betrayed Tyrion. But when you have Tysha in, oh things get really different.
And they already introduced the Tysha backstory back in season 1. But of course the show runner deemed the audience to stupid to remember such details so they dumbed it down. It makes no sense for Tyrion to be all outraged over calling Shae a whore, she was one and she betrayed him, calling his true love Tysha falsely a whore though, after all Tywin has put her through and all the lies they told him. it's logical that he pulls the trigger after that.
It's no accident that Tyrion cornered Tywin in the privy. The man is a master at controlling any situation he's in. That's why he tries to convince Tyrion to go to his chamber to talk. Of course it would be easier for him to call the guard there, but it's mostly to seize control of the situation. "I don't like it here, I feel vulnerable, let's go someplace I'm fully in charge". But Tyrion knows that trick, and he's not letting Tywin have his way.
Even in taking revenge for a lifelong betrayal by his own father, Tyrion is actually forgiving here. He killed his father quickly even when he had the opportunity to make him suffer. Even in these last moments after all he's been through, you can see the love Tyrion has for his father and the immense grief is momentarily beautifully reflected in his eyes. Stellar acting from Peter Dinklage!
Unfortunately D&D got impatient, and George never finished his books, shit got inevitably sloppy. The one that got me THE most was the long night being one episode, and danyerys army coming back out of nowhere afterwards lol like the long night didn't even happen
@@FosterC144 allegedly rrm has something like 3000 pages written already, for years now, and the winds of winter is going to be the second to last book, because shit got too out of hand in the writing process. But that mf won't release shit...
It's a fantastic bastardisation of a "throne". Also, a fantastic domestication. Not out front like Joffrey's death (killed by an outsider), but within family walls (killed by an insider). As if to highlight the ridiculousness of claiming Tyrion would kill Joffrey in such a public way, if he ever decided to.
Tywin Lannister is definitely one of the deepest most nuanced characters on the show. He's not moustache twirlingly evil, but will do evil things to keep the family's power. But never more than he had to. He treated Arya as almost the decent daughter he never had, even though he has sort of figured her out. He hated Tyrion for his looks, and was embarrassed by him. Yet he clearly admired him in terms of his intelligence and abilities. And he shared everyone's disgust for Joffrey, but knew things had to stay the way they were for Tywin's purposes.
@WungusBill No, those knights weren't hired to torture the smallfolk, they just did so anyway. The comment massively overstates Tywin's morality though, and I agree he is quite easily evil in most definitions of the word. Whether he is "moustache twirlingly" evil is quite ambiguous IMO, but he definitely does evil things to achieve his goals.
He wasnt “moustache twirling evil” he was worse. Nevermind the fact that he orchestrated several massacres which included pregnant women and children, he was a complete hypocrite with his hate for Tyrion. He was a degenerate, far more perverted than Tyrion. His only goal in life was to make his family look good to the public, meanwhile everyone close to them knew they were disgusting degenerates. At least a moustache evil guy takes glee in his evil. Tyrion is doing all this evil just because he grew up insecure about his family’s social status
I do still think the show made a big mistake by removing the Tysha revelation - in the books, Jaime confesses to Tyrion that the girl he fell in love with and married who turned out to be a prostitute? Wasn't a prostitute, the entire thing about her being a prostitute Jaimie hired for Tyrion to lose his virginity to was a lie. Tyrion had a genuine shot at happiness with someone who loved him, but Tywin (and to a lesser extent, Jaimie) took that from him in a pretty horrific way. Tyrion snaps and kills Tywin largely because Tywin won't tell him/doesn't know where Tysha went, just responding that she went "Wherever whores go." And after that, those words become a REALLY focal point for the rest of Tyrion's arc.
I was so mad about this I stopped watching that show. Everything was like in the book, except the dialogues. This way they made kind of cheap soap opera. They made Tyrion in love with Shae, a true whore and this was his motive to kill his own father. While in the books he had much bigger reasons. That scene when Jaime told him the truth was so powerful. Tyrion not only lost love of his life, a girl who truly fell in love with him. His father also made him watching when soldiers were raping her. They treated her like a whore, maybe even they thought she was the one, but she wasn't and she didn't want that. She was raped by entire garrison and Tywin made his son watching that. So killing him is fully understandable when Tyrion found out the truth.
Tywin never lied here. He really didnt believe Tyrion will shoot him. For what it's worth though, being shot by your son changes your opinion by a lot so
@@richardstephens5570No he didn’t. He wanted Tyrion dead and gone but didn’t want to be viewed as a kinslayer so the nights watch was the next best thing. Tyrion asked for the trial by combat which forced Tywins hand. Tywin had already made a deal with Jaime to leave kingsguard and become heir in exchange for Tyrion’s life
@@FlexSZN23 I agree. I was realy hopeful that that deal would go trough. I like to imagine things how they would play out in my head, but I fail to see Tyrion in Night's Watch.
Imagine how physically uncomfortable this must have felt for Tywin. He just had his sex with Shae and goes to take a shit, then all of a sudden his life is in fucking danger because his son is about to shoot him dead while he still shitting, but now he has put on his cold, calm and collected fassade to gain control of the situation and manipulate Tyrion to let him live, has to deeptalk himself out of the situation while resisting the urge to poop or keep pooping. Then, when he gets more confident that he can talk Tyrion out of this, he becomes too cocky and gets shot in the stomach two times (or I believe one time in the books) and finally gets to take his shit while dying. Really fucking uncomfortable.
Considering he was probably the cleverest and most competent man to ever rule Westeros his ending taking a dump has to be one of the most underwhelming ways to go in any series. And for all his cunning he never saw how mistreating his own son would come back to haunt him.
Apparently Lannisport and Casterly Rock was in a dire situation actually having run out of gold and severely in debt, and he's actually never portrayed as competent in the books. It's actually a tv series adaptation that he's actually clever. It's usually from borrowing from Braavosi banks and other houses, which is why he's afloat at all. This was why the Tyrell marriage was important as Tyrell are one of the most prosperous houses and it would have guarded against the debtors. He's usually just a semi-alright bully.
@@JohnDoe-xv9du The books talked about how during his time as Hand under King Aerys II, the Westerosi finances were well managed. But during his time under Joffrey, Robert had already amassed a lot of debt, plus the War of Five Kings necessitated further heavy borrowing.
I like how eloquently Tywin is able to sneak in little bargains and compliments as Tyrion holds a weapon to him. The start of the conversation he admits to wanting him to die, but immediately shifts into pride om how he persevered, including a soft bargain in telling him that he wont be executed and calling him his son.
Unfortunately for him there was no talking his way out of this. If Tyrion had not found Shae in his bed and strangled her, he probably would have been talked out of this by Tywin. But a heartbroken man who feels he has nothing to lose is the most dangerous kind of man.
One of the things I love about this scene is that Tywin is so close, SO CLOSE to talking Tyrion out of killing him, and for a moment you think: wait, does Tywin actually finally GET Tyrion? Does he finally understand? And then he calls Shae a whore and you see that Tywin only understands, has only ever understood things apart and in isolation. Maybe he understands what words he needs to stay to please Tyrion but he doesn't understand WHY he needs to say them. He understands that Tyrion is upset but not why. He just can't get that murdering Shae upset Tyrion on a level more serious than the mere shock of killing someone. He absolutely dumpsters any chances he had of surviving the night by calling her a whore, and even when he must clearly see he's made a mistake he keeps on doing it. And when Tyrion shoots him, he just has a breakdown over the fact that his manipulation didn't work. He doesn't even have the presence of mind to try and beg for his life or talk Tyrion down, he just throws a tantrum and absolutely ensures his death.
THIS! and what is messed up what I learned from the books I only got to about book 2 was Tyrions first wife remember how tywin paraded her around made her take silver she actually truly liked tyrion so what did tywin do? he had her killed! Tywins downfall was his hatred towards tyrion in fact this goes with cersei too had she helped out danny with the white walker army who knows! she may have been named hand of the queen for all we know! this show is very deep everyone has a weakness of some kind.
I don’t think Tywin was even remotely close to talking Tyrion down. Tyrion knows how his dad operates and his dad has made it clear that he hates his guts. When he started in about you’re my son, I admire you, blah blah blah, Tyrion wasn’t even listening in my opinion. He knew before he stepped foot in the privy that Tywin would try to manipulate the situation, and he wasn’t hearing any of it because he had spent his life hearing the exact opposite from the same man. The only reason he even engaged in conversation with Tywin was because he still didn’t understand why his own father hated him, and he was hoping Tywin would give some more insight into that before the end.
As a son of parents who never loved me, this scene hits so hard. When I first watched this all I wanted Tyrion to say to his dad was "would it have KILLED you to just be nice to me?!" But we all know the answer which is shitty parents never actually ADMIT they're shitty parents. That would make it TOO real in their minds. It's always someone else's fault why they didn't take responsibility for THEIR actions. I'll tell you something though. I have 2 girls (12 and 3). Every minute I'm not working I spend with them and my wife. It's not even a chore. I really like them.
Naa... he's actually not his son. Not for real. Mad King draped his wife, and she died in child birth. The only person he ever loved. Every time the dude looks at "his son" it tortures him, but his love of his wife.... Martin's angry everyone figured out his story so he wont finish the books. lol And High Sparrow, that was Ned Starks friend. He only came to the city for revenge on the people that murdered Ned.
Watching the Joffrey funeral scene where Tywin tells Tommen why Joffrey's death was his own fault, as if Cersei isn't even standing next to him. And you're like, wow, perfect juxtaposition between his calling others' downfalls and not seeing his own.
You're a Lannister, you're my son. Wow Tywin now you want to say that, just because he's standing in front of join with a crossbow lol. Tywin never thought this would happen.
And he totally sees it has no effect on Tyrion and instantly goes back to abuse. Never for a second was Tyrion not firing the bolt and Tywin almost tries to work himself back into dismissing Tyrion's ability to impact anything, after realising it.
The only thing he never got was a true heir he felt he could trust after his death to keep house lannister strong so not all his work during his life went undone the moment he dies.
Yeah but dying on a privy and by your own son is a disgraceful death. Also in the books his corpse stenched so much no one could stand long in sept. It's like they say you can build bridges all your life and they won't call you glorious bridge builder, but screw a goat once....
While the book had a wonderfully dramatic and even ever-so-slightly comedic flair with Tyrion's last words to his father and his thoughts as Tywin lay dying, the show's choice of last words was equally as good and truly played up the tragedy of the scene. "I am your son. I have always been your son." All Tyrion needed was a father that loved him. All of this could have been prevented. Even if all the world saw a monster, all Tyrion needed was a family that saw him as a Lannister. Look how much Tyrion accomplished when all he had was Jamie keeping him sane and treating him like an actual person. Imagine what Tyrion could have accomplished with the support of his father and sister. That's the real tragedy. For all his talks of preserving his family's legacy, Tywin was instrumental in its downfall.
Yeah the scene was too important in the show to really add any comedy flair to it, the visual situation of him being killed on the shitter does more than enough. Whoever wrote this scene understood that unlike the future writers.
Not to mention that tywin REALLY started considering Tyrion an embarassment when he was a kid bringing whores home. And what does tywin do later? Sentence his son to death, steal the position that his son earned, and then start fucking the whore his son was in love with. Not sure if arrogance is a sin, but if it is, Tywins death proved it a deadly one.
I saw tyrions last line as more of a final declaration. As a "whether you like it or not I *am* your son, and nothing you can do, or ever have done, can change that. And I will *always* be your son", like a final fuck you very much.
@@MikeJones-qn1gz "The 40th episode of the series overall, "The Children" was written by series co-creators David Benioff and D. B. Weiss, and directed by Alex Graves." D&D have talent. Many of the best scenes in the early seasons are heavily changed by them or are original scenes, but they started taking shortcuts and rushed the ending. If the books were all finished, I don't think they would have done that though. George spent over a decade on Book 4 and 5, and had so much difficulty writing them compared to the first 3 books that he called the experience the "Meereenese knot". haha. He wasn't willing to take shortcuts and the story became too big and difficult for him to manage, and now he'll likely never finish the series. *I think they saw the author's immense difficulty with finishing this story and took some bad lessons from it,* e.g. just gut the Dorne storylines because the story will get too complicated. Shortcuts, shortcuts, shortcuts. Otherwise, they'd need to spend another 5-6 years on it while needing to somehow maintain the same quality as novels from one of the greatest fantasy series ever, without the ability to take a break and regroup. The original pilot was a bit of a mess but they took accountability and explained everything wrong with it. They likely understand everything wrong with the later seasons. I think that their next adaption, The Three-Body Problem, will probably be good.
if he wanted to be the king, he easily could have been after Robert. He was already the most successful and feared man on earth in the background his entire life time.
My favorite part of the scene is that Tyrion doesn’t hesitate when Tywin does what Tyrion told him not to do. Tyrion came in ready to kill his father, all he needed was the right time. He gave him a direct guideline, which Tywin violated, and that was it.
I like how there's no hesitation in his face when he pulls the trigger. He warned him not to say that word. And he wasn't going to be a second warning.
Tywin had some of the best themes in all of television. A man who valued pride and dignity over everything, meets his end in the most undignified way, on the toilet. An embarrassing death, one he would have hated. At the hands of Tyrion, the incarnation of his shame that he tried so hard to run from. Even when his life is in danger he still can't let the mask slip, he must cling on to any dignity he has left, trying to manipulate and bargain his way out of the situation with compliments through gritted teeth. You can see the effort it takes him to admit Tyrion is his son even though he might die. It was his pride that killed him in the end, literally there is a lion on the crossbow. The Lannister symbol is a lion, and a lion is associated with pride. Really great writing throughout.
It's a wonderful contrast from Joffrey's death. Highlighting how Joffrey was killed by an outsider, in public. And Tywin was killed by an insider, in the most private room in the castle.
What I especially love about this scene is how Tywin tries to manipulate Tyrion by calling him his son and saying he admires him but at this point Tyrion just doesn’t care since his father crossed the final line for the halfman
He only says this because he is in this situation now remember before season 1 and 3 when he repeats this remember Jaime is captured so he says this because tyrion literally is his only son he believes is still alive since jaime might die while being captured it's seriously messed up it's sad because tywin is one of my favorite characters when he isn't being a douche to tyrion.
Tywin was THE master of manipulation. But there was no manipulating his way out of this one after Tyrion just strangled Shae in Tywins bed. Nothing Tywin could have said Here would save him from Tyrion.
I love how Tyrion is completely unmoved by everything Tywin says. And how Tywin almost tires of his inability to manipulate and goes back to just insulting.
@@glorialange6446 Tyrion embraces the half man moniker it’s like he says about the world knowing what you are, wear it like armor and he does that and then some
I just realized for Tywin to use the "you're my son, I'm proud of you" approach as a bargaining chip for his life means he's always known all he wanted was his care and attention. And he weaponized it against him all his life. That's evil.
Something that people don't seem to remember from the book is another way in which this is ironically Tywin's fault He trained his children to always always always stick to their threats. That no one would fear them if they ever made a threat and not follow through. Tirion threatened tywin here about not saying the word "whore" and Tywin did not take it seriously. In the books, Tirion shot him just almost instinctively
I didn't take Tywin saying the second whore, as not taking it seriously. I took it as a dying Man wanting to end it. As in dude, shot me, I am dying... I am making my peace with with and getting in that last insult one last time. Good bye World.
Love how they meant completely different things when they said Tyrion is Tywin’s son. Tywin meant it as a way to assert control, that Tyrion couldn’t possibly shoot him because he’s his son. Tyrion meant “I’m your son, I’m exactly like you and always have been” when he said it
Telling your son who has you at bow's end that you've always wanted him dead is brass balls. You can almost see the "is this going to make him shoot me? let's see" calculation going on.
Well you need to mix your lies with truths to make your lies believable. Truth: he always wanted him dead Lie: he was t actually going to sentence him to death
'I have always been your son' I used to hear that final line as a taunt from Tyrion, like 'ha ha the great Tywin Lannister fathered a dwarf!', but I was wrong, it's far, far deeper than that. It's one last, cold realisation for Tywin before he dies, Tyrion is telling him 'I was your son, you were my father, I needed you, I needed you to protect me, to keep all the hate and pain I've experienced from me, but you didn't, you aided those who hurt me, you hated me most of all, you were my FATHER, and you watched me go through hell, doing nothing, even supporting...' It's that last, painful confession that assures Tywin just how much of an utter fuck up of a man he is, before Tyrion kills him on the toilet - Justice.
@@samueld5418 and you need to call people on the internet morons why...? It's sadder you went out of your way to say that. Maybe next time you comment something ask yourself "Am I being a dick?", if the answer is yes then don't comment.
This is where we see Tywin in my opinion at his most evil. He would never beg for his life because of the lack of dignity in it, but here he is, on a toilet completely vulnerable. And he is buttering up his son as much as he can and dismissing his threats as idle.
Tyrion fixing daddy is one of the most satisfying scenes in the Game of Thrones. The death of that little cowardly, disrespectful, sadistic poor excuse of a king, Joffrey too.
The brilliance in this scene is how calm and methodical Tyrion is when he was loading the crossbow. As much of a monster as Tywin is, Tyrion did just shoot his father, someone whose love and respect he yearned for.
I love that they added it taking two bolts to kill Tywin. The first one could be written off as a trigger finger twitch at the word "whore". But the fact Tyrion took the time to reload the crossbow shows he meant business. This was to be no manslaughter, Tyrion intended to murder his father and that's what he did.
And Tywin could have lived had he given even an ounce of respect and love towards Tyrion. His psychotic dread of him or his family displaying weakness in any way is ultimately what ends up costing him his life.
It's like he felt he earned his respect by firing the bolt though. The longer Tywin spoke the more he realised Tywin would respect him less if he didn't do it.
Unbelievably good acting from both. Tywin is maneuvering and trying to play off of everything Tyrion says, quietly begging for his life the entire time.
In my opinion Game of Thrones peaked in this scene. After this arc was over and the plotting turned from interior fighting to wartime, the show never had the same magic to me.
Yes, but at the same time it sowed its own demise in this season. Letting out the REAL reason Tyrion killed his father is a huge bummer. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Season 4 was the best season and the beginning of the end at the same time
@@onepangaean3018Tysha, the whore Tyrion married when he was young wasn't actually a whore. Jaime confesses it when he frees Tyrion. It drives him into a wild rage and is the reason he goes and kill his father + he actually murders shae in cold blood as she's begging for her life, not in this weird self-defense-ish sympathetic manner.
You can see and hear the "Oh shit." in Tywin when he sees Tyrion pointing a crossbow at him. He knows he's come to kill him, consequences be damned. When Tyrion says he killed Shae, Tywin actually panics and tries to hurry out of there as fast as possible, while playing it cool to make Tyrion calm down. All the assurances about family and how little Shae will mean in the future...what he fails to understand is that Tyrion isn't thinking about his future. His mind is firmly in the present, and presently he gathering the will to murder his father on the shitter.
Thematically, I really like the idea that Jaime and Cersei are actually Aerys's children, making Tyrion Tywin's only true child. Which makes the scene so rich. It would also explain a lot about the twin's tendencies if they were targaryen
Damn straight. The Targaryens kind of have a thing for incest. Even Dany and Jon do it, but that’s not quite the same thing, because they aren’t aware that they’re related
It's a good analogy. And it really puts into perspective Tywin's misplaced importance in Jaime. He'll never be a proper heir. Not with the rumors surrounding him and his sister, and he most certainly won't inherit a thing with his oath to the King's Guard. Tyrion, on the other hand, has no such commitments, nor an incestuous history dogging him at every step. He's intelligent, cunning, and quick-witted. He's a great leader, something Tywin recognized, if begrudgingly, but never could fully accept due to Tyrion's dwarfism. Here, his son stands: A proud but small lion, roaring for all the realms to hear... And, then, there's two chimeras bumping uglies in the corner. 😂
2:34 those lines have fun significance since in the books, then Jamie talks with his Lannister cousins (after Tyrion kills Tywin in book 5) they mention the same, out of Cercei, Jamie, and himself, Tyrion was THE Tywins son. It would never be spoken out loud but everyone knew, that Tyrion inherited what made Tywin the man he was. Better days XD
Never underestimate ones' pain from being in love, cheated on by the one you adored and loved, and then subsequently having your heart completely shattered. 💔 I never went through anything close to what Tyrion went through (the extent of betrayal,etc), but I have a _keen_ idea of what he's feeling there. Unrequited love and overall abandonment. Hopelessly falling in love with the wrong person. The pain never really stops either. I liked most of the characters on GOT, but it was after this episode that Tyrion's character who had me totally *hooked* on GOT thereafter. Peter Dinklidges' tone and delivery here alone did it. You can _feel_ his pain here.
As Bronn said to Tyrion when Tyrion recounted how Tywin had arranged for the gang rape of Tyrion's first love: "I would kill the man who did that to me." This was long overdue.
@Anjelica Snorcket The change was for the best. If he had started talking about Tysha 90% of the audience would have been asking “Who?” along with Tywin. The writers did a good job of building up Tyrion and Shae’s relationship a lot more than the books and having him be truly in love with her.
yes. he would never let the lennister name be dishonored by having one of its family members executed by the government. He wouldnt have minded tyrion dying another way though, which is why he sent him out to fight.
Ned Stark: Betrayed by those he trusted, branded as a traitor, and murdered in front of his daughters. Yet despite this, his legacy lived on through his children. People still remember him fondly, and are willing to risk their lives to save his children and bring the Starks back in power years after his death. Tywin Lannister: At the very height of his power, discovers that the rumors about his children were indeed true, meaning that the entire war he foought to protect his family was all for nothing. And in the end, is murdered by his own son in the most humiliating way, on a toliet. And after he died, his legacy crumbled, and everything he worked for was destroyed in a matter of moments. So here comes the question, is it better to be feared, or loved? GOT answers this, Loved.
I actually liked his character a lot, he had that hate for Tyrion, but other than that he was probably one of the best characters, and Charles Dance was literally the perfect man to play this role
This is the comment I was looking for! Tywin was, by far, my most favorite character, and the best developed. He literally was the backbone of the series, and he deserved a much more dignified death. I’m not talking about more or less cruel, slow, or what have you, but simply more dignified. The man was legendary in his own right. Long live Sir Walter Charles Dance, the best actor in the series, alongside of course with Max Von Sydow, may he RIP 😪 Two giants of acting history, what a pleasure to watch they both are ❤❤ They just don’t make them like that anymore
You can't help but wonder if Tywin was telling the truth when he said he wouldn't let them execute Tyrion. He is a master manipulator, and Tyrion dying would probably be the one thing that could bring a smile to his face. But then again, he has shown multiple times that family loyalty is something he takes pride in.
He's used to the entirety of Westeros shuttering and fear at the very mention of his name. Eventually you get a false sense of security even in the direst of situations.
Even though I think this season was the best, I think I could be better if they didn't remove Jaime's confession about Tysha, it ruins Tyrion's entire later arc.
such a brilliant scene. he never steps back, begs, or apologize. that's how he hates his son. i don't appreciate it, but this scene and emotions are truly brilliant and real.
He steps back for sure. He tells tyrion 'you're my son' in a desperate attempt to calm him down, then when he realises he's dead the truth comes out in 'you're no son of mine'. By Tywin's standards that's basically grovelling on his knees and crying
''And what? You'll kill your own father in the privy?" Sounds exactly like when Oberyn said ''today is not the day i die'' Very poor choice of words - Joker
@@atlantis5001 no personally I wouldn’t prefer it for him to live longer don’t get me wrong im up for more tywin just make him die in season 4 because if he lived then there will be no wars in westeros lol he is a smart, feared man
Theres a conversation in A Feast For Crows between jamie and his Aunt, during the siege of Riverrun. They are discussing Tywin and his ambitions, and she says "Tyrion is Tywins son". Meaning Tyrion is the most alike to Tywin in mentality. It really is a great character arc Tyrion goes through as you see him descend from who he is in Season 1, a genuinely loyal member of his family (even if he has issues with them), to who we see here. Its cool to think that had Tywin not been so hateful toward Tyrion, the Lannistars likely would have achieved Tywins ambitions. Cersai on the throne to grant legitimacy, Jamie to lead their armies and head their house, Tyrion to play the political games, keeping everything together. His skills/traits are evenly laid out between his children (Tyrion - Politics. Jamie - Warfare/swordplay. Cersai - Loyalty and Duty to the Family.) Together they would have been unstoppable had they commited to it the same way Tywin did
I love this end for Tywin. He was a genius at the game of thrones and played it to perfection but he missed the loving part. Only practicality no warmth.
Also a toilet is a fantastic bastardisation of a throne. While the domestic setting highlights the difference between the political relationships and the family relationships.
My thought has always been in this scene, Tywin comes so close to surviving here. He figured out very quickly who must have released Tyrion, but if he’d figured it out a tiny bit quicker and said “why are you still here? You were meant to have left Kings Landing!” Along those lines, he could have easily convincedTyrion to flee with Varys. Alas, he didn’t quite have enough cunning to come up with that one
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At least he died old which is quite an accomplishment in GOT.
by his own son
Yeah...."at least" But i goes not remove the fact that he died on a fucking toilette!!😂
Maester Aemon died older ( the actor was 93) and in his own bed. It was the most shocking GOT death yet: no poison, no cut throat, no pillow over his face - he just faded away.
Not only that but you get to see what kind of character he is and his actions.
He died old killed by his dwarf son on the toilet.
"And what? You'll kill your own father in the privy?"
-Father killed in the privy.
the disrespect 💀
Nah that's a violation 😂
“What are you gonna do, stab me?!”
-said moments before the victim was stabbed
Much too good for him.
Real "if you were me, you'd fire it; of course I'm your son" energy from Tyrion.
From the books:
"Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold".
Absolute poetry
At least they reference that line in that play scene in season 6 : D
@@usul573 Shame they failed to really offer much beyond call backs and actual source material.
I read it in absolute shook
I didn't see that coming
Prolix... from an uppity screenwriter hack!
@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337 exactly.
Out of everyone in the show, Tywin really had the perfect downfall. All his life as a father, his single biggest flaw was never his ignorance of what Cersei and Jaime were doing in the bedroom, but his ignorance of the truth that Tyrion was the exact heir he'd always wanted. Calculating and intelligent, ruthless and fierce when necessary, serving the family's best interests even if they despise him for it, and much more sympathetic, loving and kind than Tywin ever was. But all that ever mattered to Tywin was the fact Tyrion was a dwarf and his wife died birthing him, thus he treated him like a monster, forcing Tyrion to turn to drinking and whoring as a coping mechanism. House Lannister was doomed the moment Tywin sentenced Tyrion to death.
Shut up
@@RD-mc5gl Issues 😂🤘
@@VladGrim he has my little pony as an avatar I'm sure they have issues
@@johnr.21 It’s funny how insecure strangers always point towards a meaningless picture.
@@RD-mc5gl go look at some brony porn you wierdo
Tywin's death is one of the few villains that shocked me. He was like the final boss, always a step ahead, steady and his enemies would fall easily and his death would have to be like in the final seasons in an epic way. Instead it was halfway and him taking a dump. It felt so sudden to see someone like him fall so humiliating. It's those rare moment
His one weakness was his hatred for Tyrion. Despite the fact Tyrion was by far his most capable heir, he still hated him. All he had to do was give Tyrion a little bit of respect and he could've avoided this fate.
What are you talking about? The show ended after this episode. I’m sad we never got to see more tho. 😔
@@Jormbis nahh season 6 goated asf
Plus, Tywin dying causes a sequence of events that lead to the downfall of what could have been a very peaceful rule with Tommen and Margaery on the throne. Tyrion is an unwitting instigator of doom.
@@mechadoggyyoure not wrong
The man who preaches that it’s all about family is killed by his own son. That’s perfection there
Yeah but most of his speeches were hypocritical as Tyrion’s points out during the one scene. He gives a good lesson about “the house that puts family over the wishes of its individual members is generally the house that wins” and yet Tyrion can’t help but laugh and says “When have you done anything that wasn’t in your own best interest” and there’s so much truth to that, sure some things he did were “for the greater good” but a lot of it was selfish decisions for personal gain that just happened to also benefit the Lannisters in turn, and some of it was just selfish and unproductive like what he did to both the women Tyrion loved (tysha and shae) sleeping with shae wasn’t for the “good of the family” it was just Sadistic and selfish.
@@MrBubblecake It's poetically put how it all ends. Ned's decision to protect his family and teach them to love each other starts out as disgraced 'traitor' to the realm and eventually lead to a lasting legacy he never intended with many friends and foes who speak of his devotion to honor. His children became royalty and garnered respect many parts of the realm. Because of who he was, his honorable reputation in life is always constantly aided his surviving kids and people would risk their lives even after the Starks are dead and defeated in order to save the ones who remain.
All while Tywin's constant preaching of legacy to better his house's name becomes a absolute joke that is quickly remembered only in the manner he died, taking crossbolts from a son he tries to kill while taking a dump. People refuse to enter his funeral in the books because his stench reeked the church and people will forever make fun of the Lannister's fall from grace with a humiliated queen, dead incest children and handicapped men.
@@ythandlename Tywin never took care of his house despite always preaching how he took care of it.
@@JeffCJY To be fair, he did take care of his house by advancing it's position. He made Cersei queen by consistenty forcing her to marry into royalty. He waged war for house Lannister because Tyrion was a member who was wrongfully arrested. He continued to wage war and rooting his house in the middle of Westeros politics until they are the most powerful one by the end of the first part of Wot5K.
His major flaw was the hypocrisy of helping only the house in name but never it's members. Cersei is a miserable spoiled woman who's only major importance to Tywin is who she marries and who she breeds but had no qualifications in ruling and ends up causing their downfall when Tywin is no longer there to delegate for her. Jaime having no ambition and content with being who he wants to be goes against his house by agreeing to being a Kingsguard, refusing to be heir and committing incest that led to being in conflict with the Starks. Tyrion is self explanatory and the most obvious of Tywin's lack of familial empathy; he's the one who's the most abused, have been constantly tried to get killed and humiliated to the point where he literally becomes Tywin's doom. He never cared for his children in the way Ned did and that's the reason why house Lannister lost. Their house legacy is the same as their house words, "Hear me roar" nothing more than a majestic projection that doesn't last. All because Tywin had a illusion of what legacy was.
@@ythandlename It's a pun. You know, "took care of the house" as in taking care of your family members and looking after them.
He actually loved his father. He was trying to spare his suffering from season 7 and 8
LOLs
Season 7 was pretty decent, as a build up for the final one. If the season 8 turned amazing nobody would've remember the 7th as sloppy.
@@tadjman4059 no it wasn't, it was horrible.
@@alessandroofthemediterranean How so
@@alessandroofthemediterranean that’s your opinion
It's beautiful how Tywin is trying to manipulate him.
1. "You've wanted me dead." ... "Yes." - He is not denying it anymore to set a tone of being truthful.
2. "You've refused to die. I respect that. Even admire it..." - Trying to twist that and create a positive connection between the two.
3. "I'd never let them execute you." - After establishing his truthfulness and some positivity he says what he thinks Tyrion wants to hear.
4. "You're a Lannister." - Family connection.
5. "You're my son." - He has fought all his life against that notion even saying that he wished he could prove that to not be true.
--"I murdered her." - Tywin realizes Tyrion has already killed and that stakes are higher than he suspected. --
6. "Doesn't matter." - Downplaying it. He's trying to lead Tyrion into thinking that there is a way out of it without killing him.
7. "She was a whore." - Trying to remove the throw the connection Tyrion had with Shae into doubt, lessen it.
8. "And you'll kill your own father in the privy? No. You're my son." - Again he brings up that they are family while at the same time trying to force Tyrion to imagine the act of patricide.
9. "Now enough of this nonsense." - Trying to take control away from Tyrion.
10. "We go back to my chambers and speak with some dignity." - He has no answer to Tyrion's question so he makes a play to gain control of the situation. All he needs is for Tyrion to let him stand up.
11. "You're afraid of a dead whore." - Convinced he has gained control over Tyrion to some extent he tries to solidify it. It fails.
12. "You're no son of mine." - The truth comes out of Tywin's mouth. Of course, he would let them kill Tyrion.
Now, would the Tysha thing be better? Yes.
Is this exceptionally well written? Yes.
It doesn't make sense for Tywin to think he's in control. Tyrion kept pointing at him and never responded to the familiar excuses Tywin said.
He is: “We are family Tyrion” and Tyrion: …. Okay?…
@@frollo5332 I disagree. Tywin had an inflated ego, and furthermore, constantly underestimated his son. Combine those two negative traits and it's easy to see how Tywin could delude himself into thinking he's in control.
Only thing wrong with it is those two bolts wouldn't have killed him that quickly being hit where he was. Should have given him one in the stomach to disable him and then one straight in center of chest
What an excellent breakdown of this, watching this I thought it was expertly written and acted. Just wanted to say I appreciate you taking the time for this analysis, it was cool to see it all put into words! GoT is full of lots of fantastic dialogue and acting, but I think this is one of the best sequences I've ever seen in any form of media. Every single word he utters here is important and is so carefully directed and written.
Nice explanation.....all that calculated talks make him seem more dominant than he really is
I love how Tywin can see that Tyrion is serious, and cleverly almost talks him out of it. He is begging for his life, but in a way that is so calculated and nuanced it's almost unnoticeable.
he's an idiot. be gone with him.
Another detail: For all of his disdain towards his father Tytos, Tywin sure as hell imitated him, like mourning his wife and never marrying again, cavorting with whores and eager to earn the approval of others by raising House Lannister to be a 1000 year old dynasty.
he almost pulls it off too
@@NYG5 HOW DID HE "ALMOST" PULL IT OFF.. he died. he didnt almost nothing.
@@nickclark18 because if he didnt keep calling her a whore he probably wouldnt have got killed
We've all heard someone say that honour is not a quality that'll serve you well in GoT. Ned Stark is often ridiculed for clinging to honour even in the face of insurmountable odds. But look at what became of all those who lived without honour, killed by their own loved ones whileas Ned's children fought for him and cherished his memories their entire lives. Honour has its value, one only needs to see.
I wish people would realise this.
I noticed that the great downfall of a lot of characters in the story resides in weather or not they hold true to their beliefs.
Ned forgoes his honor to prevent a war or his children's death by falsely confessing before he's executed.
Tywin claims to put family first but dies by abusing his son to the breaking point.
Khal drogo listens to a woman and breaks taboo which results in a duel that leads to infection and death.
Allister thorne betrays his watch commander and oath leading to his execution.
Rob breaks a promise to marry a frey and pays the price.
Walder frey murders the starks at the wedding leading to his own death.
Theres a ton of others too, basically if you go against your word you're taken out by fate and irony unless you're inherently disloyal like little finger or the spider, I'm not counting the final 2 seasons.
This trend of strict adherence to one's belief is all over the series and explains why certain characters thrive as well. Bronn is a sell sword for example and never falters even when friendship or sentiment are involved, no doubt the mountain would have killed him anyway simply on the grounds of him breaking his characters foundations like the others do.
My personal theory any way.
I love the theory too because of the fact that Jon adheres to his oaths so fervently and to the letter that despite everyone thinking he's lost his mind and broken his oath he technically never does, his allowance of the freefolk to cross the border doesn't break oaths, in fact its reinforcing them as he's guarding the realm of men including them, making his resurrection effectively a universal course correction.
@@primarybufferpanel4468 I believe your comment to be essentially plausible, and backed by a perspective I share. You get a like, for what it's worth
Agreed. Ned gets a lot of flak, he was not nearly as foolish as his son Robb. He knew what needed to be done, he could have won the game if he wished, but his honor prevented it. He couldn’t live with himself had he won that way. And I respect that.
And in the show, who was it that ultimately won the Game of Thrones? Whose children ended up on the thrones of the North and the Capital? Truthfulness and integrity may take a long time to win out, but they ultimately do because that which is real is lasting, that which is not (such as Tywin and everyone else's lies, deception, trickery and vanity) isn't because it doesn't exist in and of itself; it requires a fuel or source to sustain it, and therefore, cannot ultimately last.
Now imagine how truly unstoppable the Lannister family would’ve been had Tywin actually treated Tyrion with the love, care and direction that he so neglectfully denied him for years.
Dany or Snow or even Rob would not have stood a chance
Then we wouldnt have gotten that Thyrion tho
the way he got treated made tyrion strong and the person he is today. i doubt, he wouldve had that impact growing up in a rather normal life.
@@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940 He could've been an even better person with his family's support. He was a dwarf regardless of what his father or sister thought of him, so he was always in for a difficult life no matter what. He would've never been a spoiled cunt like Joffrey or Cersei. Tywin and Cersei hated him and he still protected their interests as much as he could (until they actively tried to kill him). Imagine what they would've gotten by loving him and supporting him. He didn't grow up smart and caring because of his family's abuse, he did it in spite of it.
@@krippaxxuseredarlordofthes9940 Tyrion still would've been treated like crap by everyone else though. It wasn't just Tywin who was horrible to him.
Tywin: “you’re my son”
Tywin one minute later: “you’re no son of mine”
apparently he only claims you if you listen to him lol
I think Tywin meant it as he might believe Tyrion is the child of an affair between the mad king and his wife. Explains why the dragons didn't kill Tyrion. Thought the twist at the end was he would be outed as a Targeryan but...season 7 and 8.
He was trying to get leverage over Tyrion, when he realized he was going to die regardless he had no reason to keep lying
@@roush26 That's a rough theory but GRRM making Tyrion real son of Tywin is so much better, Tywin was manipulating Tyrion the whole conversation and the tone after being shot is actually the truth, a blinded rage and hate to his son where truth comes out, You're no son of mine, regardless of truth or proof even if Joana never did anything with Aerys, he still hates him so much that he cannot make himself believe it is his son
@@fragsties4118 Exactly. Tywin hates Tyrion bc he's a mirror of himself. Tyrion is the smartest and most capable of his three children and yet he's a dwarf. Make Tyrion a Targaryen and it completely ruins the dynamic between them and even retroactively ruins the "you are no son of mine" line.
i love how tyrion warned him not to say it again, giving tywin a chance when he already knows tywin WILL slip up and say it again. It's like he's shit talking his father lol. He doesn't HESITATE to shoot him the next time, despite the disgraceful death he's giving his own dad. He lets the shot go quicker than we can comprehend, hinting that Tyrion made up his mind long before the encounter. Genius screenwriting.
read the damn books, buddy. They are so much better written than the TV-show.
@@marcoanonymous8434 The Tyrion/Jaime/Tysha arc was fucked in the show, and I also far prefer the Blackfish's talk with Jaime in the books. Also, no dumb feminist shit like Brienne beating up Sandor.
@@TheStraightestWhitest TV-show have a hard time competing with the original books. Books that are a succes are, generally speaking, pieces with numerous characters that all have their different insights. You can never put that down in a TV-show.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Whats dumb about that?
@@Isabelle-hv6ny A woman, even a tall one, wouldn't overpower a man like that. If she'd have beaten him through sheer swordplay because she had far superior gear and he was fatigued and famished from his infection, then maybe I could buy it. But there's a reason this didn't happen in the books. Sandor and Gregor are even from Jaime's POV among the most dangerous men he's ever known. He considers them among a very exclusive club of being a potential threat to himself.
Its a interesting scene. Tywin senses his sons hesitation and tries changing tact a little. But he doesn't quite gauge tyrions mindset here, he almost talks him down but doesn't understand how much tyrion loved shae.
Yeah it’s like the lack of empathy is his greatest downfall here, he honestly might have lived.
yeah i believe if tywin only didn't put shae into betraying tyrion and also didn't slept with her tyrion would have forgive his father's life even if tywin tried to have him excecute ,like some say sometimes a good ass and pussy has a lot of power
well done. did you learn those analytical skills on your media college course
@@thewhitedoncheadle8345 well you're the sort of guy to make weak bants on Christmas day instead of anything else at all. I'd dunk on you but I suspect life's already done that.
Yeah but the Shae thing is fucking stupid. If they kept the Tysha reveal, it would have made WAYYY more sense. I recommend that you watch that video about Tysha and why they shouldn't have gotten rid of it.
“All my life you’ve wanted me dead.”
“Yes, but you refuse to die. I respect that.”
Tywin a boss
Now he's dead on the toilet, lol💀🤣
No, Tywin THINKING he's a boss.
Pity that didn't save his life
I honestly don't for a second believe that tywin actually respects anything about tyrion. He's reading the situation and is saying what he thinks tyrion needs to hear so he doenst pull the trigger. Who knows what tywin would have done to tyrion if he let him live here
@@glassesme Typical bad guy attitude " You're too weak to pull the trigger" Nothing more
I love that Tywin knew Tyrion was serious, but his condescension gets him killed anyway. The zoom in at 0:26 shows that Tyrion’s hands aren’t shaking and Tywin notices it. He’s saying everything he thinks Tyrion wants to here (“You’re my son, you’re a Lannister, I wouldn’t let them kill you…”). But he can’t help showing his true colors. It’s hilarious to me how easily, “What, afraid of a dead whore?” slips off his tongue. You can tell he says it almost without thinking, so used to being prideful and dismissive. Then BAP! Fuck around and find out. He drops the act entirely when he realizes he’s done for and has to throw in one last cheap shot that completely goes against the lies he tried to sell just seconds before. Shows that too much arrogance overcomes even the highest intelligence in the end.
Tyrion's finger clenched. The crossbow whanged just as Lord Tywin started to rise. The bolt slammed into him above the groin and he sat back down with a grunt. The quarrel had sunk deep, right to the fletching. Blood seeped out around the shaft, dripping down into his pubic hair and over his bare thighs. "You shot me," he said incredulously, his eyes glassy with shock.
"You always were quick to grasp a situation, my lord," Tyrion said. "That must be why you're the Hand of the King."
"You... you are no... no son of mine."
"Now that's where you're wrong, Father. Why, I believe I'm you writ small. Do me a kindness now, and die quickly. I have a ship to catch."
For once, his father did what Tyrion asked him. The proof was the sudden stench, as his bowels loosened in the moment of death. Well, he was in the right place for it, Tyrion thought. But the stink that filled the privy gave ample evidence that the oft-repeated jape about his father was just another lie.
Lord Tywin Lannister did not, in the end, shit gold.
Wow the TV adaptation atleast in this part, is miles better than this writing. Sounds very punchliney.
@@krishmav I agree Tyrion is way too cheeky here for killing his father
@@ShowTheOreo That's because in the book, he was in a completely different state of mind. He got into a huge argument with Jaime who just revealed the truth about his first wedding, and Tyrion pretty much gave up all hope of anything. He was despondent (even more than the show) and gave no sh*ts when he shot him, in the book's version.
I still prefer the show's version though, even with the different Jaime situation.
I've never read the books but I'd almost bet money that last line is the end of a chapter.
@@GeneralCane and u are right, it is
The last lines from Tyrion before killing Tywin "I am your son. I have always been your son" cut deep. Tyrion understands and knows Tywin understands that out of all his children Tyrion was truly the son Tywin always wanted as a heir, someone that matches his mindset almost equally, but his dwarfism and his mother dying from birth kept Tywin from accepting it, giving Tywin a major flaw. Truly tragic.
None of his children are what Tywin wants. None of them are as intelligent as him, not even Tyrion (we see how much he fails as Daenerys hands), or as good as in war & strategy like him. Jaime & Cersei both failed. Tywin liked Arya more than all his children lmao
@@kirak1561 Jaime was the child Tywin wanted, he certanly wasn't smart as Tyrion, but he could be a decent lord. But Jaime becomes a kingsguard, so no titles and no heirs for him, just the honor of protect the king. I don't think Tyrion fails as a hand of the king, at least not the Tyrion from the books. That's the problem (or one of the problems) with the series, the writers simply didn't know how to keep the wit of the more cunning characters who drove the plot in the first half, like Tyrion, Littlefinger and Varys.
@@marceloavila786 Yeah Well Im talking about the show not books.
@@kirak1561 Tyrion made many mistakes when it came to Dany's campaign, but she bears just as much blame, and possibly more, for routinely ignoring his advice and continuing to mete out draconian punishments on her enemies. He did everything he could to reign in her worst impulses but every time she flatly refused to listen. Arguably his biggest mistake was placing his faith in her to begin with.
@@alecjones4676 what're you talking about? Dany never made it to Westeros. Got ended on a cliffhanger when she was crossing the Narrow sea
I feel so bad for Tyrion in this scene. The level of betrayal and loss he is attempting to process and unload is epic. He looks like he's sleepwalking through all of it, apologizing to Shae, a numbing conversation with his father, who hated him for reasons completely beyond his control. He looks so exhausted and sad throughout it all, and there is no joy in any of it. The fact that this show's decline began soon after makes it worse. So much worse. This was the end of the Tyrian we loved. And it's heart breaking.
Unload... hehehe
In some ways I kind of do, but in other ways, Tywin made some of his rules pretty damn clear, like not bringing Shae, and despite knowing how his father is, or his opinion of Tyrion, he still disobeys this order, just showing how out of control Tyrion can get or at least his father thinks he is. He had a real opportunity to show Tywin what he could do, and Tywin knew he wasn't stupid, but Tyrion was always a bit sheisty when it came to certain things about his father, like he intentionally wanted to go against him just to pull hairs. I do feel bad for Tyrion generally, because Tywin is obviously pathological, but he tends to find his own excuses for his problems rather then accept the truth.
@@98cents as much as I agree to that but you can clearly see here that as much as Tywin tried to pretend and act like he thought of Tyrion as his son,he always blamed him for killing his mother and the love of his life and always hated it for it so no matter how much Tyrion obeyed him or tried to please his father; Tywin ,as cold of a man as he was would never forget that his own imp son was responsible for the death of the only person who reminded him of what it was to be human, his wife.
So no I'm sorry I don't think a man of Tywin's personality would ever accept Tyrion for what he was and ..and Tyrion knew that ...
This relationship is so complex it would only be comprehensible for a person who was in one of their shoes..but your view is quite meaningful in my opinion.
@@zigmeesherpa4488 This scene isn't indicative of how Tywin would have act had things been different. They had gone back and forth so much by this point that it was well and truly ruined, but Tywin was a lot less hostile towards Tyrion in season 1-3 where most of these opportunities happened. No one will say that they hated the scene with Tywin complimenting Tyrion when all of his generals, and even Jaime, were fucking up. We knew Tywin was a hard man, but this was a complete 180 and not in character for him, and you could tell even Tyrion was somewhat surprised at this offer and opportunity. In no uncertain terms, do not bring Shae. He did it anyway and she was the domino that tipped the rest.
We will never know if Tywin would have come to accept Tyrion, but the evidence is strong that he would have had a much different opinion if Tyrion wasn't constantly disobeying him in one way or another. Still, this isn't meant to sweep anything Tywin did to Tyrion under the rug, and he is obviously not the greatest of fathers or the nicest of men, but we see his soft side in many situations, like when he deals with Arya, and you can almost forgive him when you take a look, rationally, at how Tyrion acted around him.
Though, I suppose it is worth mentioning, and something I just remembered, that Tyrion does tell the story about his fiancé to Shae, how his father was involved and what he did. It's interesting, because I feel like the sole reason this story exists and is told is to make Tyrions decision to disobey his father and bring Shae later understandable. It's hard to blast a character like Tyrion because he's so likable, relatable, etc etc, but I still believe a lot of the harm that happens to him he does to himself. He is deeply flawed character who hides behind his humor, so regardless of how much we might like him, we should accept that.
The fact that they change his storyline so much from the books means that all of that character building never paid off in any meaningful way, which is a total shame because book tyrion was so wonderfully evil and twisted in book 5 it would have made great TV seeing the character everyone had grown to love completely fall off the deep end
"I loved her..."
The difference between book Tyrion and show Tyrion is who "her" is.
Tasha
yeah it also would have stung alot more if it was about Tysha. Why would Tyrion care about Tywin calling Shae a whore? she was a whore and she betrayed him. Tysha actually loved him and her being a whore was a lie created by Tywin
Where do whores go?
@buddyfats4768you do realize that's a slur..
@@buddyfats4768 I think it hurts Tyrion knowing that she DID love him before and that her betrayal was a result of his actions trying to protect her
*Tyrion pushes Tywin's corpse to the side and looks inside*
'Huh.... no gold....'
he forgot to say Bricklebrit ^^
Epic spoiler. Tywin shat silver.
This was a line in the book as well.
Ha. GRRM made this same joke. Tywin shit himself as he died in the book.
"You poor sucker, you didn't even have any gold on you".
"I guess i gonna take this weapon".
- Gothic in a nutshell.
I love how Tywin says, "Now enough of this nonsense." After Tyrion said he just murdered Shae. Tywin biggest flaw was how he dismissed Tyrion. He always treated him as lesser than Jamie or Cersei even though Tyrion is the most like him out of all of them. He was probably the best schemer in the show. He is the guy who took down Robb and was single handily keeping the Lannisters afloat. But Tryion was his one oversight. He never saw that Tyrion was the one son he always wanted. Smart and loyal. But he always saw as an annoyance and an embarrassment. Someone who would never achieve much. Even with a crossbow pointed at him he still abuses Tyrion. He brings up his wife and calls her a whore to hurt him. He even seems shocked that Tyrion would actually pull the trigger.
That's NOTHING compared to the book equivalent of this conservation, where Tyrion is out for vengeance over the cruelest act of Tywin's life, after learning the truth from Jaime about the Tysha affair, and even when confronted with the fact that Tyrion knows he was lying, Tywin remains just as belligerent as ever. Rather than the casual "You're afraid of a dead whore?" being what sets Tyrion off, it's the snide "Wherever whores go" in reference to Tysha, who was not a whore and was just an innocent common woman brutalized by Tywin, that drives Tyrion over the edge. It's the ultimate example of how Tywin's relentless cruelty and hatred of Tyrion never once relented, not even when his life was on the line.
Tywin didn't take down Robb. Robb took down Robb.
His biggest flaw was not locking the bathroom door
@@The1980Philip Hey, Mr. McMahon, you're watching GoT?
@@Eluarelon I don't understand the McMahon reference. But my point was that Robb made himself an easy target by breaking his agreement with the Freys, and not realizing that his cause was lost after the Lannisters beat Stannis.
- Robb Stark. Genious strategist, honorable lord, loved by the people. Died because he chose love over diplomacy.
- Renly Baratheon. Fierce warrior, noble knight. Died because he hated his brother too much to negotiate with him.
- Tywin Lannister. The greatest mastermind in Westeros, won the War of the Five Kings from a losing position, made the Lannisters the strongest house in Westeros. Died because of his hatred towards his son.
When emotion takes over sense and rationality, invincible leaders begin to die.
hehe love is the death of duty
Renly's description doesn't really match. You sure you didn't mean Stannis? That seems to fit him more. Renly was never really described as a fighter, more a charismatic & bright personality that a lot people liked. I'm sure he could fight some but he was green in war and never won a battle. Also Stannis was never really willing to negotiate, it was either throw away his claim or die. Renly died because he was in way over his head with what he threw himself into.
Robert was a man of glory, Stannis was a man of duty, & Renly was a man of the people.
-Stannis, lost because of the badass actions of Ser Twenny of House Goodmen, too bad he got poisoned by his enemies alongside Lord Bolton
"Genius", not "genious".
Renly didn't even kill a single person, he wasn't a knight
"I have always been your son" hits so hard because it heavily implied at least in the books that Tyrion was the only child of his that was capable of being as formidable as tywin himself. This is evident in the books in a Jamie chapter where his aunt alludes that men like tywin and tyrion only come every thousand years.
This scene is so much better in the books.
“You . . . you are no . . . no son of mine.”
“Now that’s where you’re wrong, Father. Why, I believe I’m you writ small. Do me a kindness now, and die quickly. I have a ship to catch.”
@Ivorysky00 no I like this more emotional scene better how could the book scene of this be better than this?
@@onepangaean3018 because it makes zero sense. Tyrion kills his father over Shae who literally betrayed him and lied on him and used him gold , jewels and furthering her own position??? No. In the books Tyrion kills Tywin because Jaime tells Tyrion after he frees him that his first wife Tysha wasn’t really a whore and was really just a girl chance met on the road who truly loved Tyrion. Tywin commanded Jaime to lie to Tyrion and tell him she was a whore to teach him a sharp lesson then afterwards gave her to be gang r*ped by his men. He agonizes over the thoughts of Tysha through the entire book. So it makes sense that he kills Tywin paired with the fact he ordered his execution
@@Ivorysky00 well, even without the whole Tysha thing, condemning your innocent son to death, after despising him his whole life for no logical reason at all is enough to be wanted dead, i think😅
Tywin also killed his own father for destroying the Lannister house. He is simply doing what his own father did to his grandfather. Ironically, Tyrion is actually the perfection and refinement of Tywin, despite his physical appearance.
Why did he drop the crossbow? The authorities will dust it for fingerpri- oh, that's right.
King's Landing is well known for its forensics dept
Eppy literally me here and there 😂 I feel you
But they can't prove Tyrion used the crossbow in the event. It's the old mobster trick.
P
Well it's like 305 AC lol
I hated that the conversation here was changed. Because Tyrion talked about his first wife, the pesant girl he loved so much. Who Tywin destroyed.
Yeah, but in the show universe you could be forgiven for forgetting about... was it Tysha? That's not a pun, I'm having trouble remembering.
@@josephmort4039 because they only mentioned her once in the show while Tyrion thinks about her very often in the books
I'm pissed too. Why remove the Tysha confession? It not only alters Tyrion's character arc, but Jaime's too. Not to mention, what Tywin did to Tysha would have really set Tyrion off much more than this, especially when he kills Tywin for calling Shae a w****. I mean, come on... That's what gets Tyrion killer instincts on? I mean, that doesn't make sense since Shae is literally is one, not just as profession, but she just betrayed Tyrion. But when you have Tysha in, oh things get really different.
And they already introduced the Tysha backstory back in season 1. But of course the show runner deemed the audience to stupid to remember such details so they dumbed it down. It makes no sense for Tyrion to be all outraged over calling Shae a whore, she was one and she betrayed him, calling his true love Tysha falsely a whore though, after all Tywin has put her through and all the lies they told him. it's logical that he pulls the trigger after that.
@@osmanyousif7849 what’s the “tysha confession”? What happened in the books?
It's no accident that Tyrion cornered Tywin in the privy. The man is a master at controlling any situation he's in. That's why he tries to convince Tyrion to go to his chamber to talk. Of course it would be easier for him to call the guard there, but it's mostly to seize control of the situation. "I don't like it here, I feel vulnerable, let's go someplace I'm fully in charge". But Tyrion knows that trick, and he's not letting Tywin have his way.
Even in taking revenge for a lifelong betrayal by his own father, Tyrion is actually forgiving here. He killed his father quickly even when he had the opportunity to make him suffer. Even in these last moments after all he's been through, you can see the love Tyrion has for his father and the immense grief is momentarily beautifully reflected in his eyes. Stellar acting from Peter Dinklage!
More like... He's a prisoner on the run and he doesn't have much time.
What are you talking about ? He literally had a ship to board...he had to do it quickly
What stupid love in killing your father based solely on the fact his father didn’t like him from day one😂
In the books, he says he was aiming for his cock and only shoots him once but misses and hits him in the bowels.
What people fail to forget in this episode aired on Father's Day
woah
Really! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
They skipped a week for it too happen.
Ironic don’t ya think
That is amazing
Hard to believe such a great show had one of the worst final seasons in TV history
Still pisses me off to this day! Such a crime
THE worst seasons of TV history. Both Season 7 and 8 are bottom of the barrel.
From season 5 onwards its an escalation of shit.
What a mess.
Unfortunately D&D got impatient, and George never finished his books, shit got inevitably sloppy.
The one that got me THE most was the long night being one episode, and danyerys army coming back out of nowhere afterwards lol like the long night didn't even happen
@@FosterC144 allegedly rrm has something like 3000 pages written already, for years now, and the winds of winter is going to be the second to last book, because shit got too out of hand in the writing process.
But that mf won't release shit...
While Tywin was dying on the throne, Tyrion didn't give a shit
+Devil Léo And the shit Tiwyn gave wasn't gold.
Lmfao good one
Nice!
It's a fantastic bastardisation of a "throne".
Also, a fantastic domestication. Not out front like Joffrey's death (killed by an outsider), but within family walls (killed by an insider).
As if to highlight the ridiculousness of claiming Tyrion would kill Joffrey in such a public way, if he ever decided to.
😂
Tyrion was his true heir - and he realized that in his final moments. "You're no son of mine" was just out of pure anger because he was going to die.
Tywin Lannister is definitely one of the deepest most nuanced characters on the show. He's not moustache twirlingly evil, but will do evil things to keep the family's power. But never more than he had to. He treated Arya as almost the decent daughter he never had, even though he has sort of figured her out. He hated Tyrion for his looks, and was embarrassed by him. Yet he clearly admired him in terms of his intelligence and abilities. And he shared everyone's disgust for Joffrey, but knew things had to stay the way they were for Tywin's purposes.
🤓
@WungusBill No, those knights weren't hired to torture the smallfolk, they just did so anyway. The comment massively overstates Tywin's morality though, and I agree he is quite easily evil in most definitions of the word. Whether he is "moustache twirlingly" evil is quite ambiguous IMO, but he definitely does evil things to achieve his goals.
@@someoneelse3456Tywin explicitly ordered them to kill, burn, and pillage the Riverlands.
He wasnt “moustache twirling evil” he was worse.
Nevermind the fact that he orchestrated several massacres which included pregnant women and children, he was a complete hypocrite with his hate for Tyrion.
He was a degenerate, far more perverted than Tyrion.
His only goal in life was to make his family look good to the public, meanwhile everyone close to them knew they were disgusting degenerates.
At least a moustache evil guy takes glee in his evil.
Tyrion is doing all this evil just because he grew up insecure about his family’s social status
To sum up, he wasn't Hitler evil, he was British evil.
I do still think the show made a big mistake by removing the Tysha revelation - in the books, Jaime confesses to Tyrion that the girl he fell in love with and married who turned out to be a prostitute? Wasn't a prostitute, the entire thing about her being a prostitute Jaimie hired for Tyrion to lose his virginity to was a lie. Tyrion had a genuine shot at happiness with someone who loved him, but Tywin (and to a lesser extent, Jaimie) took that from him in a pretty horrific way. Tyrion snaps and kills Tywin largely because Tywin won't tell him/doesn't know where Tysha went, just responding that she went "Wherever whores go." And after that, those words become a REALLY focal point for the rest of Tyrion's arc.
So where do whores go?
@@nikosgreek352 That is the horribly sad question Tyrion keeps asking himself.
@@kamalalsb7292 Perhaps the Sailor's Wife can answer it for him.
@@nikosgreek352 I am personally torn as fuck between the Sailor's Wife theory, and between the idea that it's better if we never find out the truth?
I was so mad about this I stopped watching that show. Everything was like in the book, except the dialogues. This way they made kind of cheap soap opera. They made Tyrion in love with Shae, a true whore and this was his motive to kill his own father. While in the books he had much bigger reasons. That scene when Jaime told him the truth was so powerful. Tyrion not only lost love of his life, a girl who truly fell in love with him. His father also made him watching when soldiers were raping her. They treated her like a whore, maybe even they thought she was the one, but she wasn't and she didn't want that. She was raped by entire garrison and Tywin made his son watching that. So killing him is fully understandable when Tyrion found out the truth.
I go back and forth between thinking Tywin is just trying to talk Tyrion out of killing him and being honest. Charles Dance really nailed this scene.
Tywin never lied here. He really didnt believe Tyrion will shoot him.
For what it's worth though, being shot by your son changes your opinion by a lot so
@@PRubin-rh4sr Tywin lied about not letting him be executed. He was going to let Tyrion die.
@@richardstephens5570No he didn’t. He wanted Tyrion dead and gone but didn’t want to be viewed as a kinslayer so the nights watch was the next best thing. Tyrion asked for the trial by combat which forced Tywins hand. Tywin had already made a deal with Jaime to leave kingsguard and become heir in exchange for Tyrion’s life
@@FlexSZN23 I agree. I was realy hopeful that that deal would go trough. I like to imagine things how they would play out in my head, but I fail to see Tyrion in Night's Watch.
@@FlexSZN23 He sentenced him to death afthe the trial by combat. I doubt he was still going to send him to the night watch.
Imagine how physically uncomfortable this must have felt for Tywin. He just had his sex with Shae and goes to take a shit, then all of a sudden his life is in fucking danger because his son is about to shoot him dead while he still shitting, but now he has put on his cold, calm and collected fassade to gain control of the situation and manipulate Tyrion to let him live, has to deeptalk himself out of the situation while resisting the urge to poop or keep pooping. Then, when he gets more confident that he can talk Tyrion out of this, he becomes too cocky and gets shot in the stomach two times (or I believe one time in the books) and finally gets to take his shit while dying. Really fucking uncomfortable.
LMAO i didn't think about the fact that he has to resist the urge to shit while putting on that cold facade
To be fair there’s nothing like a lethal weapon being pointed at your vitals to tighten up the ol’ sphincter.
Considering he was probably the cleverest and most competent man to ever rule Westeros his ending taking a dump has to be one of the most underwhelming ways to go in any series. And for all his cunning he never saw how mistreating his own son would come back to haunt him.
Apparently Lannisport and Casterly Rock was in a dire situation actually having run out of gold and severely in debt, and he's actually never portrayed as competent in the books. It's actually a tv series adaptation that he's actually clever. It's usually from borrowing from Braavosi banks and other houses, which is why he's afloat at all. This was why the Tyrell marriage was important as Tyrell are one of the most prosperous houses and it would have guarded against the debtors. He's usually just a semi-alright bully.
@@JohnDoe-xv9du The books talked about how during his time as Hand under King Aerys II, the Westerosi finances were well managed.
But during his time under Joffrey, Robert had already amassed a lot of debt, plus the War of Five Kings necessitated further heavy borrowing.
I wonder if he shat gold in that scene
@@ari3903 The books clarify that he didn't. lol
@@nichoudha They do? That's hillarious.
I like how eloquently Tywin is able to sneak in little bargains and compliments as Tyrion holds a weapon to him. The start of the conversation he admits to wanting him to die, but immediately shifts into pride om how he persevered, including a soft bargain in telling him that he wont be executed and calling him his son.
Flattery will get you nowhere...
Unfortunately for him there was no talking his way out of this.
If Tyrion had not found Shae in his bed and strangled her, he probably would have been talked out of this by Tywin.
But a heartbroken man who feels he has nothing to lose is the most dangerous kind of man.
@@bradleybrown8399fuckery will get u nowhere 🛹
I like how you can see him visibly hold down throw up before admitting he’s his son
'No my lord, anyone can be killed...'
+Peter Kuypers
"Especially while they're in the lavatory"
Arya much?
Sure can 😅 and his ass got killed!
Fetch that water...
It's mi'lord. If you're going to keep posing as a commoner, you need to learn the difference.
One of the things I love about this scene is that Tywin is so close, SO CLOSE to talking Tyrion out of killing him, and for a moment you think: wait, does Tywin actually finally GET Tyrion? Does he finally understand? And then he calls Shae a whore and you see that Tywin only understands, has only ever understood things apart and in isolation. Maybe he understands what words he needs to stay to please Tyrion but he doesn't understand WHY he needs to say them. He understands that Tyrion is upset but not why. He just can't get that murdering Shae upset Tyrion on a level more serious than the mere shock of killing someone. He absolutely dumpsters any chances he had of surviving the night by calling her a whore, and even when he must clearly see he's made a mistake he keeps on doing it.
And when Tyrion shoots him, he just has a breakdown over the fact that his manipulation didn't work. He doesn't even have the presence of mind to try and beg for his life or talk Tyrion down, he just throws a tantrum and absolutely ensures his death.
THIS! and what is messed up what I learned from the books I only got to about book 2 was Tyrions first wife remember how tywin paraded her around made her take silver she actually truly liked tyrion so what did tywin do? he had her killed! Tywins downfall was his hatred towards tyrion in fact this goes with cersei too had she helped out danny with the white walker army who knows! she may have been named hand of the queen for all we know! this show is very deep everyone has a weakness of some kind.
@@MajesticLawnGnome,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, here are some commas, since you seem to be out of them.
I don’t think Tywin was even remotely close to talking Tyrion down. Tyrion knows how his dad operates and his dad has made it clear that he hates his guts. When he started in about you’re my son, I admire you, blah blah blah, Tyrion wasn’t even listening in my opinion. He knew before he stepped foot in the privy that Tywin would try to manipulate the situation, and he wasn’t hearing any of it because he had spent his life hearing the exact opposite from the same man. The only reason he even engaged in conversation with Tywin was because he still didn’t understand why his own father hated him, and he was hoping Tywin would give some more insight into that before the end.
@@jackaufenhand5710 Learn to capitalize the first letters of your sentences.
@@DonaldPalacios oR eLSE wHAT?
As a son of parents who never loved me, this scene hits so hard. When I first watched this all I wanted Tyrion to say to his dad was "would it have KILLED you to just be nice to me?!" But we all know the answer which is shitty parents never actually ADMIT they're shitty parents. That would make it TOO real in their minds. It's always someone else's fault why they didn't take responsibility for THEIR actions. I'll tell you something though. I have 2 girls (12 and 3). Every minute I'm not working I spend with them and my wife. It's not even a chore. I really like them.
👏 Congrats bro! For real
Naa... he's actually not his son. Not for real. Mad King draped his wife, and she died in child birth. The only person he ever loved. Every time the dude looks at "his son" it tortures him, but his love of his wife....
Martin's angry everyone figured out his story so he wont finish the books. lol
And High Sparrow, that was Ned Starks friend. He only came to the city for revenge on the people that murdered Ned.
@@cornpop3159 hey, Corn Pop. I heard you was a bad dude
Oh so you meet my parents then huh😅
특수한 상황이 아니라면 부모를 형편없다고 말할 수 있을까?
부모님을 형편없는 취급하는건 너무 애바참치인데
I love how Tywin was fixated on family legacy and the only person who could carry it at the end was his hated son.
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And fixated on how everyone else's failing lead to their deaths and utterly ignorant to how his own would lead to his.
Two corpses that deserved it. And never saw it coming. Never even crossed their minds that Tyrion would slay them for their betrayals.
"If you believe you can say anything to someone and they won't change their view of you, you don't respect them" - idk who but it's a good ass quote
Watching the Joffrey funeral scene where Tywin tells Tommen why Joffrey's death was his own fault, as if Cersei isn't even standing next to him.
And you're like, wow, perfect juxtaposition between his calling others' downfalls and not seeing his own.
the way tywin nonchalantly says „and what? you‘ll kill your own father in the privy?“ never fails to crack me up for some reason
I mean, it _does_ sound ridiculous.
Almost as ridiculous as “I respect you for that”.
That's exactly what Tyrion did
You're a Lannister, you're my son. Wow Tywin now you want to say that, just because he's standing in front of join with a crossbow lol. Tywin never thought this would happen.
he said that before. When he made Tyrion hand
that was clearly a smart move from Tywin... he knew the threat was real the moment he tried to stand... he had to try to confuse Tyrion with emotions
@@xavierzlotorowiez316 Tywin knew he was deep shit when Tyrion said he killed Shae with his bare hands
And he totally sees it has no effect on Tyrion and instantly goes back to abuse.
Never for a second was Tyrion not firing the bolt and Tywin almost tries to work himself back into dismissing Tyrion's ability to impact anything, after realising it.
Dying at an age where you've accomplished almost everything you wanted in life is a rare feat in GOT
The only thing he never got was a true heir he felt he could trust after his death to keep house lannister strong so not all his work during his life went undone the moment he dies.
almost only counts for horseshoes and hand grenades.
Yeah but dying on a privy and by your own son is a disgraceful death. Also in the books his corpse stenched so much no one could stand long in sept.
It's like they say you can build bridges all your life and they won't call you glorious bridge builder, but screw a goat once....
But what small thing he did not do and flaw was the reason was the fall of his legacy and family aka tyrion
While the book had a wonderfully dramatic and even ever-so-slightly comedic flair with Tyrion's last words to his father and his thoughts as Tywin lay dying, the show's choice of last words was equally as good and truly played up the tragedy of the scene.
"I am your son. I have always been your son."
All Tyrion needed was a father that loved him. All of this could have been prevented. Even if all the world saw a monster, all Tyrion needed was a family that saw him as a Lannister. Look how much Tyrion accomplished when all he had was Jamie keeping him sane and treating him like an actual person. Imagine what Tyrion could have accomplished with the support of his father and sister. That's the real tragedy. For all his talks of preserving his family's legacy, Tywin was instrumental in its downfall.
Yeah the scene was too important in the show to really add any comedy flair to it, the visual situation of him being killed on the shitter does more than enough. Whoever wrote this scene understood that unlike the future writers.
one of the shitty parts while watching the show is the more the two work together, you hope Tywin at some point appreciates Tyrion, but he never does
Not to mention that tywin REALLY started considering Tyrion an embarassment when he was a kid bringing whores home. And what does tywin do later? Sentence his son to death, steal the position that his son earned, and then start fucking the whore his son was in love with.
Not sure if arrogance is a sin, but if it is, Tywins death proved it a deadly one.
I saw tyrions last line as more of a final declaration. As a "whether you like it or not I *am* your son, and nothing you can do, or ever have done, can change that. And I will *always* be your son", like a final fuck you very much.
@@MikeJones-qn1gz "The 40th episode of the series overall, "The Children" was written by series co-creators David Benioff and D. B. Weiss, and directed by Alex Graves." D&D have talent. Many of the best scenes in the early seasons are heavily changed by them or are original scenes, but they started taking shortcuts and rushed the ending. If the books were all finished, I don't think they would have done that though.
George spent over a decade on Book 4 and 5, and had so much difficulty writing them compared to the first 3 books that he called the experience the "Meereenese knot". haha. He wasn't willing to take shortcuts and the story became too big and difficult for him to manage, and now he'll likely never finish the series. *I think they saw the author's immense difficulty with finishing this story and took some bad lessons from it,* e.g. just gut the Dorne storylines because the story will get too complicated. Shortcuts, shortcuts, shortcuts. Otherwise, they'd need to spend another 5-6 years on it while needing to somehow maintain the same quality as novels from one of the greatest fantasy series ever, without the ability to take a break and regroup.
The original pilot was a bit of a mess but they took accountability and explained everything wrong with it. They likely understand everything wrong with the later seasons. I think that their next adaption, The Three-Body Problem, will probably be good.
He died on the only throne he could ever sit on
Brilliant XD That basically sums him up.He's a shit father and he died on the shitter.
Hands can sit on the iron throne ?
@@Bonez007 They're saying how badly Tywin wanted to sit on the throne, but never would.
if he wanted to be the king, he easily could have been after Robert. He was already the most successful and feared man on earth in the background his entire life time.
He was “sitting” on the iron throne when ever he was hand of the king
My favorite part of the scene is that Tyrion doesn’t hesitate when Tywin does what Tyrion told him not to do. Tyrion came in ready to kill his father, all he needed was the right time. He gave him a direct guideline, which Tywin violated, and that was it.
What a great perfomance. How Charles is simultaneously proud/annoyed and also fearful for his own life. Best section
1:34-1:45
I like how there's no hesitation in his face when he pulls the trigger. He warned him not to say that word. And he wasn't going to be a second warning.
Tywin had some of the best themes in all of television. A man who valued pride and dignity over everything, meets his end in the most undignified way, on the toilet. An embarrassing death, one he would have hated. At the hands of Tyrion, the incarnation of his shame that he tried so hard to run from.
Even when his life is in danger he still can't let the mask slip, he must cling on to any dignity he has left, trying to manipulate and bargain his way out of the situation with compliments through gritted teeth. You can see the effort it takes him to admit Tyrion is his son even though he might die.
It was his pride that killed him in the end, literally there is a lion on the crossbow. The Lannister symbol is a lion, and a lion is associated with pride. Really great writing throughout.
It's a wonderful contrast from Joffrey's death.
Highlighting how Joffrey was killed by an outsider, in public. And Tywin was killed by an insider, in the most private room in the castle.
He never talked to him like a son but like an enemy ."You refused to die and I respect that" .He never even saw him as a person .
What I especially love about this scene is how Tywin tries to manipulate Tyrion by calling him his son and saying he admires him but at this point Tyrion just doesn’t care since his father crossed the final line for the halfman
He only says this because he is in this situation now remember before season 1 and 3 when he repeats this remember Jaime is captured so he says this because tyrion literally is his only son he believes is still alive since jaime might die while being captured it's seriously messed up it's sad because tywin is one of my favorite characters when he isn't being a douche to tyrion.
Tywin was THE master of manipulation. But there was no manipulating his way out of this one after Tyrion just strangled Shae in Tywins bed. Nothing Tywin could have said Here would save him from Tyrion.
What a rude person! Halfman ... that is uncalled for since tyrion proves most vigorously he is more man than most
I love how Tyrion is completely unmoved by everything Tywin says.
And how Tywin almost tires of his inability to manipulate and goes back to just insulting.
@@glorialange6446 Tyrion embraces the half man moniker it’s like he says about the world knowing what you are, wear it like armor and he does that and then some
I just realized for Tywin to use the "you're my son, I'm proud of you" approach as a bargaining chip for his life means he's always known all he wanted was his care and attention.
And he weaponized it against him all his life. That's evil.
Very well said
In the end, Tywin Lannister did not shit gold.
but he sure did have a golden tong
lannister always pays his debts
“I am your son. I have ALWAYS been Your Son.”
One of the top deaths of the show.
Tyrion, are you upset by the death of a whore??? My son would never be.
Something that people don't seem to remember from the book is another way in which this is ironically Tywin's fault
He trained his children to always always always stick to their threats. That no one would fear them if they ever made a threat and not follow through.
Tirion threatened tywin here about not saying the word "whore" and Tywin did not take it seriously. In the books, Tirion shot him just almost instinctively
Don't think I've ever met someone who wouldn't know that it's Tywin's fault.
@@StarWarsMoments Blind Tywin fanboys, that's who.
A Lannister always pays his threats
I didn't take Tywin saying the second whore, as not taking it seriously. I took it as a dying Man wanting to end it. As in dude, shot me, I am dying... I am making my peace with with and getting in that last insult one last time. Good bye World.
@@StarWarsMoments oh, they know it's his fault. But exactly how?
Love how they meant completely different things when they said Tyrion is Tywin’s son. Tywin meant it as a way to assert control, that Tyrion couldn’t possibly shoot him because he’s his son. Tyrion meant “I’m your son, I’m exactly like you and always have been” when he said it
Telling your son who has you at bow's end that you've always wanted him dead is brass balls. You can almost see the "is this going to make him shoot me? let's see" calculation going on.
Well you need to mix your lies with truths to make your lies believable.
Truth: he always wanted him dead
Lie: he was t actually going to sentence him to death
Tyrion isn't a fool; wouldn't have bought it, had Tywin tried to deny facts.
twisted_nether
Tyrion didn’t even buy it, when Tywin accepted the facts
“A, she was a hoo-ah.”
- Tywin Lannister
Is it Tyrion fault she was a klutz ?
B, She hit me
And cocaine my friend, its everywhere
SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL INNOCENT CREATURE
“I am telling you Jon, he doesn’t leave me a lot of options!”
'I have always been your son'
I used to hear that final line as a taunt from Tyrion, like 'ha ha the great Tywin Lannister fathered a dwarf!', but I was wrong, it's far, far deeper than that. It's one last, cold realisation for Tywin before he dies, Tyrion is telling him 'I was your son, you were my father, I needed you, I needed you to protect me, to keep all the hate and pain I've experienced from me, but you didn't, you aided those who hurt me, you hated me most of all, you were my FATHER, and you watched me go through hell, doing nothing, even supporting...'
It's that last, painful confession that assures Tywin just how much of an utter fuck up of a man he is, before Tyrion kills him on the toilet - Justice.
What Tyrion really means is that he is his father's son. He is tywin Lannister written in a smaller body.(according to books)
@@agathahenney358 Albeit with a far better heart.
so tyrion says 6 words and you interpret that as an entire page of conversation. you tried to sound profound, but you just sound like a moron.
@@JnEricsonx oof depends, in the show YES. In the books it's a bit grayer, Tyrion is super flawed and honestly does some despicable things
@@samueld5418 and you need to call people on the internet morons why...? It's sadder you went out of your way to say that. Maybe next time you comment something ask yourself "Am I being a dick?", if the answer is yes then don't comment.
This is where we see Tywin in my opinion at his most evil. He would never beg for his life because of the lack of dignity in it, but here he is, on a toilet completely vulnerable. And he is buttering up his son as much as he can and dismissing his threats as idle.
i love how tyrion just casually reloads his crossbow
Tyrion fixing daddy is one of the most satisfying scenes in the Game of Thrones. The death of that little cowardly, disrespectful, sadistic poor excuse of a king, Joffrey too.
theo9952 That prick at the Wall being hanged.
Richard Dragon
Only that last one was an execution. I don't like executions. I'd rather John killed him in single combat.
Ramsay's death was pretty satisfying as well.
The brilliance in this scene is how calm and methodical Tyrion is when he was loading the crossbow. As much of a monster as Tywin is, Tyrion did just shoot his father, someone whose love and respect he yearned for.
He's too smart to just stand there with an empty crossbow, even after committing the most traumatic/dramatic event of his life.
I love that they added it taking two bolts to kill Tywin.
The first one could be written off as a trigger finger twitch at the word "whore".
But the fact Tyrion took the time to reload the crossbow shows he meant business. This was to be no manslaughter, Tyrion intended to murder his father and that's what he did.
And Tywin could have lived had he given even an ounce of respect and love towards Tyrion. His psychotic dread of him or his family displaying weakness in any way is ultimately what ends up costing him his life.
@jonathanbradley4896 he was going to give his father one more chance till he said the word whore
It's like he felt he earned his respect by firing the bolt though.
The longer Tywin spoke the more he realised Tywin would respect him less if he didn't do it.
Unbelievably good acting from both. Tywin is maneuvering and trying to play off of everything Tyrion says, quietly begging for his life the entire time.
In my opinion Game of Thrones peaked in this scene. After this arc was over and the plotting turned from interior fighting to wartime, the show never had the same magic to me.
Agreed. As they say - the show died with Tywin.
Yes, but at the same time it sowed its own demise in this season.
Letting out the REAL reason Tyrion killed his father is a huge bummer. But that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Season 4 was the best season and the beginning of the end at the same time
@@leonpaelinckwhat do you mean by REAL reason?
i agree but the rest is still very good and has its own "magic", tywin just suited the show perfectly
@@onepangaean3018Tysha, the whore Tyrion married when he was young wasn't actually a whore. Jaime confesses it when he frees Tyrion. It drives him into a wild rage and is the reason he goes and kill his father + he actually murders shae in cold blood as she's begging for her life, not in this weird self-defense-ish sympathetic manner.
Tywin: "You are my son (because the legacy of House Lannister demands it)"
Also Tywin: "You are not my son (because I don't love you)"
Tywin threw phrases like that on many occasions, for example to Jaime as he returned to KL without a hand
You can see and hear the "Oh shit." in Tywin when he sees Tyrion pointing a crossbow at him. He knows he's come to kill him, consequences be damned.
When Tyrion says he killed Shae, Tywin actually panics and tries to hurry out of there as fast as possible, while playing it cool to make Tyrion calm down. All the assurances about family and how little Shae will mean in the future...what he fails to understand is that Tyrion isn't thinking about his future. His mind is firmly in the present, and presently he gathering the will to murder his father on the shitter.
Thematically, I really like the idea that Jaime and Cersei are actually Aerys's children, making Tyrion Tywin's only true child. Which makes the scene so rich. It would also explain a lot about the twin's tendencies if they were targaryen
Damn straight. The Targaryens kind of have a thing for incest. Even Dany and Jon do it, but that’s not quite the same thing, because they aren’t aware that they’re related
It's a good analogy. And it really puts into perspective Tywin's misplaced importance in Jaime. He'll never be a proper heir. Not with the rumors surrounding him and his sister, and he most certainly won't inherit a thing with his oath to the King's Guard. Tyrion, on the other hand, has no such commitments, nor an incestuous history dogging him at every step. He's intelligent, cunning, and quick-witted. He's a great leader, something Tywin recognized, if begrudgingly, but never could fully accept due to Tyrion's dwarfism. Here, his son stands: A proud but small lion, roaring for all the realms to hear... And, then, there's two chimeras bumping uglies in the corner. 😂
@@truecaliber1995😂😂😂😂😂
Had Tywin respected Tyrion, they would’ve been an unstoppable duo who controlled the 7 kingdoms.
2:34 those lines have fun significance since in the books, then Jamie talks with his Lannister cousins (after Tyrion kills Tywin in book 5) they mention the same, out of Cercei, Jamie, and himself, Tyrion was THE Tywins son. It would never be spoken out loud but everyone knew, that Tyrion inherited what made Tywin the man he was.
Better days XD
Never underestimate ones' pain from being in love, cheated on by the one you adored and loved, and then subsequently having your heart completely shattered. 💔 I never went through anything close to what Tyrion went through (the extent of betrayal,etc), but I have a _keen_ idea of what he's feeling there. Unrequited love and overall abandonment. Hopelessly falling in love with the wrong person. The pain never really stops either.
I liked most of the characters on GOT, but it was after this episode that Tyrion's character who had me totally *hooked* on GOT thereafter. Peter Dinklidges' tone and delivery here alone did it. You can _feel_ his pain here.
At 0:59 Tywin visibly struggles to say the words “you’re my son”
As Bronn said to Tyrion when Tyrion recounted how Tywin had arranged for the gang rape of Tyrion's first love: "I would kill the man who did that to me."
This was long overdue.
"I loved her."
"Who?"
Tyrion and Tywin's relationship summed up in two lines.
And so he spoke.... And so he spoke
@Anjelica Snorcket Wherever whores go...
@Anjelica Snorcket The change was for the best. If he had started talking about Tysha 90% of the audience would have been asking “Who?” along with Tywin. The writers did a good job of building up Tyrion and Shae’s relationship a lot more than the books and having him be truly in love with her.
Her?
@@criert135 It's only better because they couldn't be bothered to adapt the plot line properly, because they're bad at their job.
I always wondered if Tywin was genuine when he said "I'd never let them execute you..."
I doubt it.
yes. he would never let the lennister name be dishonored by having one of its family members executed by the government.
He wouldnt have minded tyrion dying another way though, which is why he sent him out to fight.
@Cristian Efternamn Tywin is very delusional he would had believed he could kill Tyrion and Jamie would come around.
@@34BigPete he wanted to send him to the nights watch as he didn’t want to get branded as a kinslayer
Yh he actually wanted to spare him but he wanted to get rid of him by sending him to the nights watch
Ned Stark: Betrayed by those he trusted, branded as a traitor, and murdered in front of his daughters. Yet despite this, his legacy lived on through his children. People still remember him fondly, and are willing to risk their lives to save his children and bring the Starks back in power years after his death.
Tywin Lannister: At the very height of his power, discovers that the rumors about his children were indeed true, meaning that the entire war he foought to protect his family was all for nothing. And in the end, is murdered by his own son in the most humiliating way, on a toliet. And after he died, his legacy crumbled, and everything he worked for was destroyed in a matter of moments.
So here comes the question, is it better to be feared, or loved?
GOT answers this, Loved.
Eh, Tywin could still have “won” anyway if only Cersei didn’t mess it up by killing Tommen’s wife and driving him to suicide
Thank god he was killed before the final season. They had no chance of ruining his character arc.
In loving memory of Tywin Lannister, my favorite and also least favorite character on the show. Charles Dance did an amazing job!
I actually liked his character a lot, he had that hate for Tyrion, but other than that he was probably one of the best characters, and Charles Dance was literally the perfect man to play this role
I wish I could have seen more of Tywin and Arya
He was also amazing as Lord Mountbatten in The Crown (another man who secured his family legacy through his relations).
That was Charles Dance? I thought Tywin looked familiar to me! Great actor.
This is the comment I was looking for! Tywin was, by far, my most favorite character, and the best developed. He literally was the backbone of the series, and he deserved a much more dignified death. I’m not talking about more or less cruel, slow, or what have you, but simply more dignified. The man was legendary in his own right.
Long live Sir Walter Charles Dance, the best actor in the series, alongside of course with Max Von Sydow, may he RIP 😪
Two giants of acting history, what a pleasure to watch they both are ❤❤ They just don’t make them like that anymore
I like how tywin is trying to subtly beg for his life. Very diplomatic. His pride got in the way though.
You can't help but wonder if Tywin was telling the truth when he said he wouldn't let them execute Tyrion. He is a master manipulator, and Tyrion dying would probably be the one thing that could bring a smile to his face. But then again, he has shown multiple times that family loyalty is something he takes pride in.
He wasn't telling the truth. Like you say he's a manipulator and he clearly drops the act after he's been shot saying "you're no son of mine".
2:02 Tywin really pushed his luck there lol
He's used to the entirety of Westeros shuttering and fear at the very mention of his name. Eventually you get a false sense of security even in the direst of situations.
He would've killed him anyways
I just love while Tyrion is reloading the shock and utter disbelief in Tywin. "You shot me" 😂 Oh come on after what you just said.
My father once told me: “Revere the old man in a time where men die young.” And living as long as Tywin did in GoT, that’s saying something.
Revere the man who shits gold even in the end because he must be truly god level creature!
your dad never said that buddy.
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Tyrion didn't just kill Tywin, he killed the series.
Even though I think this season was the best, I think I could be better if they didn't remove Jaime's confession about Tysha, it ruins Tyrion's entire later arc.
such a brilliant scene. he never steps back, begs, or apologize. that's how he hates his son. i don't appreciate it, but this scene and emotions are truly brilliant and real.
He steps back for sure. He tells tyrion 'you're my son' in a desperate attempt to calm him down, then when he realises he's dead the truth comes out in 'you're no son of mine'. By Tywin's standards that's basically grovelling on his knees and crying
every second sentence of tywin: YOU'RE A LANNISTER!
Tyrion: I'm so glad that I took Joffrey Baratheon's crossbow from his tomb...
I thought he found the crossbow in his dad's room. In the show, anyway...
''And what? You'll kill your own father in the privy?"
Sounds exactly like when Oberyn said ''today is not the day i die''
Very poor choice of words - Joker
I absolutely loved his death and the philosophy behind it
Tywin has always been my favorite character in the show
Tywin was his favorite character. Wish they would've done more with him
@@atlantis5001 no personally I wouldn’t prefer it for him to live longer don’t get me wrong im up for more tywin just make him die in season 4 because if he lived then there will be no wars in westeros lol he is a smart, feared man
@@1.z7ii You are sharp as a cue ball I see....
Theres a conversation in A Feast For Crows between jamie and his Aunt, during the siege of Riverrun. They are discussing Tywin and his ambitions, and she says "Tyrion is Tywins son". Meaning Tyrion is the most alike to Tywin in mentality. It really is a great character arc Tyrion goes through as you see him descend from who he is in Season 1, a genuinely loyal member of his family (even if he has issues with them), to who we see here. Its cool to think that had Tywin not been so hateful toward Tyrion, the Lannistars likely would have achieved Tywins ambitions. Cersai on the throne to grant legitimacy, Jamie to lead their armies and head their house, Tyrion to play the political games, keeping everything together. His skills/traits are evenly laid out between his children (Tyrion - Politics. Jamie - Warfare/swordplay. Cersai - Loyalty and Duty to the Family.) Together they would have been unstoppable had they commited to it the same way Tywin did
I love this end for Tywin. He was a genius at the game of thrones and played it to perfection but he missed the loving part. Only practicality no warmth.
Also a toilet is a fantastic bastardisation of a throne.
While the domestic setting highlights the difference between the political relationships and the family relationships.
“I am your son. I have always been your son” the exact moment his character peaked
2:16 You're a smart guy, you catch everything ! :P
Asshole got what he deserved
What would be great if he shits on the wall like in bad grandpa. Proof that Tywin Lannister in the end did not shit gold.
Imagine he literally shits gold on the wall, lmao.
@@robertemerson1087 that scene would probably have me laughing for weeks tbh
My thought has always been in this scene, Tywin comes so close to surviving here. He figured out very quickly who must have released Tyrion, but if he’d figured it out a tiny bit quicker and said “why are you still here? You were meant to have left Kings Landing!” Along those lines, he could have easily convincedTyrion to flee with Varys. Alas, he didn’t quite have enough cunning to come up with that one
When your son, in the grips of unimaginable grief and despair, points a crossbow at you, it is best that you not further antagonize him.