Fun fact : Miss malachite, the lady who's going to track down team Rwby for Cinder, is the mother of the malachite Twins who fought Yang in the yellow trailer !!! 🙂
Did you notice how the God of Darkness specifically called magic his own gift to mankind? Makes perfect sense. It's like handing out sticks of dynamite to a kindergarten class, sitting back, and watching the hilarity ensue.
@@unicornburger16 that's fair, but I'm not sure it makes a big difference. Light brother might have helped with the gift to see what humanity would make with it, but Dark brother would have done it purely to see it get out of hand.
It was the gift of Destruction (because you also see folks shooting arrows and such). So humanity has the 4 gits, as Qrow said back in V4, of Creation, Destruction, Knowledge and Choice. Creation and Knowledge comes from the God of Light, Destruction and Choice come from the God of Darkness. So humanity used his gift of Choice and Destruction against him.
@@unicornburger16 More like they were using magic of destruction. Magic that the god of light wouldn't exactly approve of. So yeah, all from the god of darkness.
Late but: This is also the reason why silver eyes are THAT dangerous for Cinder! Salem told her in S4E1, that she is vulnerable against Ruby BECAUSE of the Maiden's powers. The Magic they can wield comes from the Dark Brother, but the Silver Eyes come from the God of Light! And Old Brighty OWNED his younger brother! Both in this episode and according to Crow's story in S4E8, when he gave the GoD a chance to help and work together with him for once.
I think the second strand of humanity, Dust, and the Faunus came from the dust of the old humanity and the moon fragments. Salem, the Narrator from the first chapter kinda supports this, "Man made from dust".
"Fairy tales, stories from your childhood. Surely you must remember some of them." "Well there was The Two Brother, The Shallow Sea, The Girl in the Tower....."
The Lost Fable is regarded in the community as one of the best episodes of RWBY hands down and after watching it a good 8 or 9 times I'd have to agree. The way they tell the story of Salem and what came before is just a beautiful thing to behold and really bolstered this entire season.
there's a bit of a theme around bad parents in this show. Jaques, Raven, now Ozpin. The brother gods leaving in a huff when Salem defies them, leaving behind the Grimm spawning pools, an immortal being looking for revenge, and a ridiculous quest to unite humanity or have the world be destroyed, when the gods can't be bothered to manage it themselves.
Salem was right about one thing -- they weren't really true gods in the way humanity likes to think of. They could be lied to, manipulated, and made a TON of awful or at in the absolute best case, morally empty decisions, then they ditched the planet and yeeted themselves off to space. God of Light just straight-up looked aside and let his brother destroy all of humanity because they might be manipulated by Salem? Yeah. Good 'experiment' bro. I get the feeling that further down the line, if (almost certainly WHEN) these 'gods' return, they're still not going to quite be what Jinn says they are.
Ow noo we made some crazy which immortal and she told all humanity to attack us ... Whell, fuck that! She ruined the whole thing! We're leaving! Oh and what was the name of that guy? Ozma? Yeah, let's make him fix everything. But if he fails to do stuff we couldn't made we'll destroy the whole world. No pressure, Baiii!
@@sassui90 There is a theory that there is a link between Jaune and Salem. Because Jaune's emblem is a bit similar to Salem's old kingdom's emblem or something, also it was interesting, when Tyrian was curious about Jaune, maybe for the same reason.
I think somebody might deserve an apology. We all rolled are eyes when a certain character looked directly down camera and said "You still don't get it. There is no beating Salem!"
I feel like the "so why are we doing all this" is flawed. Just because Salem can't be destroyed doesn't mean they should just give up on their lives and let her and the Grimm destroy everything and everyone.
You gotta consider many people have died and suffered fighting under the assumption of eventually winning against Salem. Then most huntsman fight believing they're keeping peace and people safe with no idea of the losing battle going on in the background. Everything they've lost was for a lie, when they coulda just passed on the burden to the future and live on with their lives like Yang suggests, wouldn't happen in their life time, or like Raven does.
@@sassui90 No huntsman/huntress ever would have gotten into their profession with the expectation that they were going to end the threat of the grimm to the world, that would be like someone becoming a cop thinking they were going to end crime worldwide. They all went into it knowing that the grimm would still be a fact of life long after they died. The losing battle in the background? Ozma has been winning the battle in the background for thousands of years, the fact that the world still exists is proof that he's always won. The victories might have been painful and costly sure but even the fall of beacon and the death of his Ozpin incarnation was a victory for him, since the primary purpose of the academy was as a defensive measure for the relic of choice. The entire school and all it's students and teachers could have been killed and so long as Salem didn't get the relic it would have still been a strategic victory for Ozma. Yang's suggestion of passing on the burden to the future and living their lives was stupid and nonsensical as the grimm are drawn to the relics, which she seemed to have forgotten about pretty damn quickly. If they had dropped the relic into the well like she suggested then the grimm would have found it in short order and it would be in Salem's possession shortly thereafter.
@@TheRealRightPrice What are you talking about? "No huntsman ever" so you think Qrow joined Oz's for the fun of it? cause it sure seemed to me he did believe so, among many others, Ironwood? Raven? Lionhart? list goes on. Saying Oz's winning specially for that reason is the equivalent of someone saying they beat someone's fist up with their face... Im not sure in what world the school falling, city overrun, people including himself dying and most of all communications cut is considered winning but ok. The main 2 reasons she didn't obtain it was 1 Ruby, 2 Oz's design of the vault. And that's ignoring they almost got Haven's relic, while turning Oz's closest people against each other. Well, ignoring the fact Yang wasn't in her right mind at the time of saying that, it DOES makes sense because yes the Grimm are attracted to it but you're assuming she has some sort of telepathy or hive mind with the grimm, doesn't means Salem will instantly know this even if they were to find it, the proof is that she has to use the Palantir grimm to communicate through long distances.
@@sassui90 Who exactly "died and suffered fighting under the assumption of eventually wining against Salem?" Summer, Qrow, Raven, Tai, Ironwood, Glynda, Lionheart? When did we hear any of them get told told by Ozpin that their objective was to "win against Salem"? For that matter what does "win against Salem" actually mean, as in what are the conditions that constitute "wining"? Did Ozpin ever tell Qrow and Raven that if they worked for him then they would specifically "kill" or "destroy" Salem, and that they would do so in their life times? I don't recall Ozpin ever telling any of the RWBY or JNPR kids that their aim was to kill or destroy Salem. With my "no huntsman ever" comment I was stating that as far as anyone living on the world of Remnant of Remnant is concerned the Grimm are a fact of life, have plagued the world forever, and they aren't going anywhere. In such a world people get into the profession of huntsmen, meaning a life of risking horrible death protecting others, for a variety of reasons. However, no one (who isn't some form of delusional) would go into such a profession expecting that they themselves were going to personally end the threat of the Grimm forever. They would all understand that the Grimm were around long before they were born and would still be around long after they died. As such, none of the RWBY/JNPR/Oscar characters signed onto being huntsmen/huntresses because they thought they were going to rid the world of Grimm. So, once they learned that there's an ancient evil woman who controls the Grimm and has not be killed or destroyed in after uncountable millennia, a woman who had nothing to do with their individual reasons for becoming huntsmen, why do they suddenly assume that THEY are the ones who are going to finally kill her? Ozpin only told them that the plan was to stop Salem's agents from getting the relic of choice and then to get it to safety in Atlas, that's it. It's not his fault that they wrongly assumed they were going to kill/destroy Salem, and assumed he had a plan to do so. Her being immortal is irrelevant for what they signed up for, both when they signed up to be huntsmen and when they signed up to help Ozpin protect the relic of choice. I'm especially considering Oscars sentiment expressed in Volume 6 chapter 5, "We signed up to try and save the world, not just delay the inevitable." The school falling, city overrun, people including himself dying and most of all communications cut is a win because all of those are secondary concerns, bonus objectives if you will. The school exists primarily as one of several layers of defense for the relic of choice. Everything else is ultimately irrelevant in the face of keeping the relics separate and secure. At the end of the day the relic of choice is still secure and out of Salem's hands and that's the most important thing. It's a victory for him because ultimately pretty much everything and everyone is expendable in the cause of keeping Salem from obtaining and bringing together the relics, which would surely mean the total destruction of the world at the hands of the gods. I assume that Salem has some sort of telepathic connection to Grimm because she has been shown to control them without using vocalizing commands, as if they are simply responding to her unspoken will.
And this is the episode that made Ozpin and Salem my favorite characters and also made me start hoping that somehow, Ozpin and Salem's relationship is how they defeat her. After all, it's what started all this, it's only fitting that it helps end it. Since it pretty much confirmed that the original maidens were their children, perhaps part of Ozpin's curse was also inherited, and that's why the maidens' magic goes from host to host? Or maybe he did give four young women powers after they helped get him out of his depression, perhaps reminding him of his four daughters, and they're how he came up with the idea to give the maidens his magic in thanks. One of my biggest questions about the reincarnation thing is, does Ozpin keep his original semblance(if he had one), or does he use the semblance of his current carnation? Does he keep the semblances of his old lives? After all, the souls start separate before merging into one, so how does that work? The gods did also tell Salem how to remove her immortality, by learning the value of both life and death, she would be able to rest. But she instead kept trying to spite them, leading an army to try to kill them. Yeah, they definitely could have done something else, but Salem was also doing everything wrong. But all this adds complexities to both Ozpin and Salem that I love. (I also kinda ship them, but not as they *are* together more like I wish they were *still* together having lived together and changed for the better) but Ozpin doesn't control who his soul goes to, I'm sure many times he got reincarnated into the body of someone who already had a family, which kinda sucks cause it means he's likely lost many families, and I'm sure there's been at least one time his soul entered a woman's body, which must have been weird. The God of Light was trying to follow rules he and the God of Darkness created together, one of which is not to disrupt the balance of life and death. The god of darkness didn't really care for the rules, and was just going to do whatever he looked (as he said) but after hearing Salem lied to him because GoL wouldn't do it he realized Salem was manipulating him to bring Ozma back, she didn't actually believe only he could do it, like she had told him. They punished her for trying to manipulate them, and when the GoD destroyed humanity, GoL wanted to give humanity a second chance he knew eventually they'd evolve back into existence, so he gave Ozma the chance to help them. I don't think the reincarnation was meant to be punishment for Ozma, but it turned into one. Unlike Salem, Ozma didn't do anything wrong and i believe the GoL wanted to ensure Ozma didn't have to go through what Salem did, what he didn't count on was Ozma and Salem doing everything they did. Just my thoughts on this episode.
1. Evolution 2. RWBY turns out to be the story of a couple of ex's that can't work things out and can't let each other go. 3. Note that Yang is calling out Oz about not telling them everything but SHE hasn't told anyone that Raven is the Spring Maiden...
Yang doesnt know her Mom is the Maiden. Raven opened the door before Yang arrived, and didn't use her Maiden powers after. So Yang may believe Vernal opened the door before she was killed. She may assume Raven got the powers at that point, but so can the others when the heard Vernal was dead. She did not mention talking to Raven. That's fair critique, though I imagine she was pretty raw emotionally, when he got back to the surface.
The relics were not used to create humanity, instead they were given to Ozma to guide the new humanity that would eventually evolve. It is assumed humanity evolved naturally between the age of old humans and when Ozma was brought back. Instead of the gods guiding humanities evolution, it occurred independently from any diety which is why humans cannot use magic and have to rely on dust, only having semblances. Assuming the time for evolution to occur at such a distinct level, Salem was most probably alone on remnant for many millions of years between the old humans destruction and eventual occurrence of the remnant humans and faunus. As for Ozma, his soul was assimilated into a fully grown adult for his first reincarnation, the rest is when he dies.
Thats basically whats being implied. Part of her punishment is the fact she had to live millions of years for mankind to evolve again, leaving her alone all that time, causing her mind to become twisted and leading to her not being able to learn the meaning of life and death.
@@ThePsychosocialite That and jumping into the pool of destruction is what truly prevents her from learning that lesson since she can't conceive of anything positive like that anymore. She couldn't let that destruction go, even when the love that she did all this for came back to her. I think if she hadn't of grimmified herself and was with Oz, she may have eventually learned the lesson.
After all the security measures to get into the vault, Cinder just crawls right out through a hole in the side of a rock wall. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns goes through a gauntlet of security checkpoints on the way to the master terminal only to see a stray dog has wandered in through the rickety screen back door.
Well, to be fair, that chamber was rocked and quaked by the Cinder/Raven Maiden fight to the point where we saw large chunks of rocks fall. So I would not be surprised if that crack was not there until after the fight.
In the book RWBY Fairy Tales of Remnant - Ozpin was trying to collect old fairy tales in order to create a new class dealing with lore at Beacon Academy. One of those tales told the story about Salem, but it ended at "and they lived happily ever after" and didn't continue with the rest of the story. The fairy tales also explain other things like the mythical(??) origins of the Faunus, etc.
I still find it morbidly hilarious that the cause of this entire situation was the Gods didn't want to bring Ozma back to life... and their answer is make Ozma immortal
That's leaving out quite a few steps. 😁 Oz was brought back after the experiment was trashed by the god of destruction. He was brought back as a last hope by the god of light to get humanity to succeed on the 2nd & final time around. He's not really an "answer" to anything, just a chance. The gods left. Gave up on the world, especially the god of destruction. God of light was like, "Hey, your choice Oz, but if you wanna try to salvage this shit-show, here's a couple of tools that might help. Good luck to ya."
We as the audience know and understand the main RWBY and JNPR characters much better than Ozpin does as we've seen the entire show from their perspectives. Ozpin only knew them as students attending his school for a single year, whom he had pretty minimal interactions with during that time, so it's entirely reasonable for him not to trust them the way we the audience might think he should.
We didn't lie to you that Cinder was dead; we simply didn't correct you when you assumed Cinder was dead. Some consider that a "lie of omission", which I've never really felt was legitimate, but it's very similar to what Ozpin was doing with what he was telling the team. Make your own decision. When Ozpin asked Pyrrha about her favorite fairy tales before telling her about the Maidens, one tale that Pyrrha mentioned was "The Girl In The Tower." No one ever said that the Gods of Light and Darkness aren't complete a-holes. This story (which has been around from the earliest days of RWBY) was known as the Trials of Salem the Witch. I think the proper term for your condition at this time is "gob-smacked." At least, that was my condition after watching these episodes. My head canon is that the children probably died during the battle between Ozma and Salem. Too much of the story of the Four Maidens, and even Ozpin's own version of the story he gave us in V5C7, say that the old wizard (who we now know was an earlier Ozpin reincarnation) used his magic to give the Maidens their magic, and everything about it seems to say that it happened long after humanity returned to Remnant. But since the children already were showing that they had their own magic, that means that the original Maidens didn't have magic, and so the Maidens weren't the children.
Jinn is voiced by Colleen Clinkenbeard, most famous for voicing Luffy from One Piece. She also voices Momo in the MHA dub and a million other characters.
There is debate in the community over whether Salem and Oz’s children are the maidens or merely the inspiration for the maidens… From the show’s lore it should be obvious they are the inspiration for, since Oz himself stated he used his magic to gift the maidens with magic. But the flip side says he was speaking metaphorically and by having children he “ gifted them with his magic” It’s an interesting debate to say the least.
I mean Ozpin wouldnt be weak magically if his daughters were the original maidens, so it doesnt make sense that his daughters were the original 4. Inspiration from them most definitely, but it is likely that the 4 maidens were not his daughters.
OKAY! First thing I want to adress, unlike Cinder's revival, when fans began chanting "no body no death" about Adam, CRWBY immediately confirmed he was dead. Second, there's a theory that the castle they fought in was both the castle from the first volume (where they team up), AND the castle Salem is currently in (which is on that red island top left on the map of Remnant)
"Man, BORN FROM DUST, was strong, wise and resourceful" - Episode 1 Volume 1 narration. In crashing into the moon, some sort of godly power was left behind and gave dust to the world. A little spark of creation. Man was probably literally born from that dust, just like the narration says.
hahahaha its how you look at the camera after that episode 6x02 for me, it made me laugh so hard like "yuuuuup and we had to wait for 6x03 when it released XD"
Melissa Hime, pay attention to the specific wording of the gods to Salem, "So long as this world turns you shall walk it's face." Now think about what the god of light told Ozma would happen when the relics are brought together, the gods would be summoned back to judge humanity, and if humanity is not united and fails the gods judgement then the world of Remnant would be "wiped from existence". Now you might be able to deduce what Salem's ultimate goal is, since she's actively working to both collect the relics together and prevent the people of the world from being peacefully united.
You know what upsets me the most?! The gods denied Salem her wish to bring ozpin back,then after destroying humanity, the just decide "oh sure let's just bring him back"....if they had just allowed to bring ozpin back,or allowed Salem death,then EVERYTHING could have been avoided!!!
You could say the same thing about Salem. If she had just learned to accept Ozma's fate and found peace, once she died they would have reunited in the afterlife that definitely 100% exists because Gods exist on the planet and everyone knows about them. She is incapable of thinking long-term or seeing the bigger picture, and if she hadn't made her decisions everything could have been avoided. The gods and the people are just as flawed/imperfect as each other.
I’m not sure if you’ll ever see this, or if someone has already pointed it out, but I’m going to say a quote: “Pierce the sky, escape your fate. The more you try the more you’ll just breed hate, and lies. Truth will rise, revealed by mirrored eyes” - Sacrifice (Volume 2 soundtrack)
when 6x03 came out there were a lot of spongebob "lIFE! DEATH! LIFE! DEATH! LIFE! DEATH!" patrick NOOOO" jokes in the first episode of the series its told to us that "humanity came from dust" meaning we evolved from the literal ashes of the former humans. and the god of light says "without our blessings theyre are but of fraction of what they once were" or another way of saying this is "a semblance" of what they once were. a "semblance" of magic
Meslssa Hime, 46:49 See the parallel between Ozma and Pyrrha in this moment, when asked to take on a great burden/mission for the good of the world they both respond simply and swiftly with "I'll do it."
Fun fact, when Ozpin asks Pyrrah what here favorite fairy tail is, she mentions "The Girl in the Tower".... and Blake was reading a book about a man with two souls... O_O
Exactly! I always appreciate hearing their thoughts out, I think people should stop being scared of long videos or grow longer attention span, no one is holding a gun to your saying you have to watch the whole thing through
I know this is an old video, but in case nobody has mentioned it, both the God of Light and God of Darkness are visible within the Map of Remnant. Check the map, you’ll see the two dragons within it
I never understood people who thought Cinder was actually dead. She's one of the most important people in the show. The second biggest villain to Salem (maybe even greater in some respects). And yet people actually thought she was gonna be killed by a side character she had only known for less than half a Volume.
Indeed. Even though Salem may be considered the "top" villain, at least for the time being, Cinder has always been kind of the _main_ villain. In many ways from our perspective, Cinder has been written as the main villain of the show partially because she's been written as one of the main *_characters_* throughout pretty much the entire series, being the mastermind behind many of the show's most significant events.
They play by Pagan rules. They're not all perfect or all knowing, they're regular people just like us but given unimaginable power. Which is so much more interesting than all-powerful omnipotent gods. Perfect gods are boring. They got upset and made a rash decision because they were upset, just like we do. They make mistakes just like we do. They should be judged the same way we are.
Salem pitched to Oz that they could become the world's gods as an answer to humanity being divided. He was thinking they could be the world's guides, not necessarily rulers. That's why he agreed. It's implied that she was thinking more in terms of ruling by the voice-over saying "The minds of men are easily swayed," and she was purposefully manipulating him.
The previous time when the Gods were mentioned wasn't a World of Remnant. It was in Volume 4 when Qrow had to explain to RNJR why Tyrian was after Ruby.
at 53:57, Oz' kids have silver eyes. If one of his incarnations had had a harem and produced 200+ silver-eyed warriors his task would have been much easier. And people would have been safer.
Mmmmmm, I not sure RWBY would work with a harem arc or episodes...the ensuing rabid and viscous fandom shipping wars would be greater than all the naval battles in history...combined! (;]D`
@@johnnygnoneeded who said it had to be current. Just at some time in one of his many lives he should have done that, then silver eyes would not be as rare since many of those children would have children. In fact, silver-eyed warriors ought to be told how important it is for them to have as many kids as possible to prevent Salem from wiping them out.
@@jeffreysmith236 'Twas a jest, as anime-style harems are usually rom-coms, and RWBY isn't by any measure an anime style rom-com. And because, face it...RWBY fans have a bit of a reputation as being, well, fanatic! (;]D` And besides, Ozpin's genetics would change with each new incarnation, with each new body his soul migrates to. It's only his original body incarnation that would carry those genes, and that combination with Salem, who was already immersed in a Grimm pool, produced four silver-eyed, magic using daughters. So, would that also make the daughters part Grimm? Or would they be able to control Grimm, like their mother, Salem? And if Salem's and Ozpin's "divorce" weren't so violent and perhaps deadly, with whom would the girls gone with? Cinder is a Maiden only by guile and theft, look how destructive and dangerous she is! Imagine if one or more of those magic using, silver eyed daughters decided to follow their mother, and follow in Salem's path? Could be many Lost Tales of Remnant to tell! A fanfic gold mine!
@@johnnygnoneeded The two kids he had as the guy who made the cane also had silver eyes. I mean silver eyes come the God of Light and so are not constrained by biology but by magic. I have not seen any harem anime. I was speaking purely about survival strategy in this set of circumstances. There ought to be a high priority placed on rapid procreation of silver-eyed warriors. For their sake as well as humanity's.
The two biggest atomic plot bomb episodes. The God of Light is more or less a hypocrite imo. He refused to revive Ozma based on his code of upholding a natural order only to bring him back anyways after Salem went insane and became a callous, manipulative, evil, killer. The God of Darkness is at least earnest in how he handles affairs as opposed to The God of Light.
But the balance changed then because his brother had killed everyone… Not sure if he sent him back after Salem got Grimmed, but sending Ozma back then might be to balance that out… In which case it’s not as hypocritical… But who knows?
@@jeffreysmith236 Well, it did, but I think she was meant to learn her lesson, then be made mortal again, without her really affecting anyone else... But I suppose that's not a whole lot different from giving Ozma extra life in the first place... Though it was also meant as a punishment I guess... I don't know... Either way, probably a bad judgement call on their part lol.
@@TurtleOfAngst I do remember an interesting theory that could possibly work with bringing Salem back to before she entered the pools of Grimm. The theory about the silver eyed warriors.
@@barongrasse2296 Quite possible, perhaps a test run could be performed on Cinder? Wouldn't change that Salem is vindictive and selfish by nature, sadly.
@@barongrasse2296 Jumping into the Brothers Grimm made it worse, but she didn't bat an eye at entire armies being wiped out before that. She wasn't forced to be evil, she chose it.
As far as how humanity seemingly came back to Remnant, I dare say it was through good 'ole EVOLUTION! Salem mentions in episode 1 of RWBY that man was "born from dust" which points towards the fact that this iteration of humanity was born from the primordial dust of their ancestors and eventually became what you see in the show now. The fact that Faunus are also stated to be just as old as the current version of humanity points towards the fact that clearly there were some evolutionary changes that occurred. Of course, Faunus and humans are genetically similar enough to interbreed with the Faunus trait being dominant so it's also possible that something else is going on there that we simply don't know but regardless we have good 'ole evolution to thank for current humanity.
Thank you for uploading the full video and audio and waiting for the unblock! It looks and sounds sooo much better! 😊 “I’ve made more mistakes than any man, woman and child on this planet.” - Professor Ozpin, Volume 1 Chapter 10 Now you have the true context of that statement. This also shows that Ozpin did not choose the soul he was bonded with: people were giving him a lot of crap for that when he first bonded with Oscar in V4; it’s clear now he never has had any choice in the matter. The four kids were all girls, and they could use magic. And yes, they were all killed. So are they the first maidens? There’s a lot of debate about that, but I think they are and that’s how their powers began passing to different hosts. You can believe what you want, but I see too much evidence supporting it to believe anything else. You did miss one crucial line of dialogue the gods said to Salem (you probably as it during rewatch): “You must learn the importance of life and death. Only then, may you rest.” I know you’re ahead - I see you’re on 7x10 and 7x11 on Patreon, and this particular batch got unblocked today. Nice RWBY double whammy: because, if no one told you, today (the date when this comment posted) would’ve been Monty Oum’s birthday. It’s such a crime that the most important person to the show doesn’t get to see all the things it’s done in the last six years. Anyway, please do the reactions like this from now on, they’re much more awesome! We can handle a little delay if we need to. 😁
There was mankind made by the gods, and mankind born from dust presumably naturally. I do recommend watching previous vols after this. A couple interesting details: There was 1 question already used after 100 years, meaning someone in their lifetime used it before. The effect from the fountain of life is similar to aura, which works similarly too by preserving the user to a lesser extent. The oriental dragons are usually associated to positivity, light, balance, creation and preservation, while in the west dragons are usually associated with destruction, evil, chaos, darkness and negativity. The Gods seem to switch positions for a bit there, seem to not agree entirely on their choices, and both make mistakes, including making Salem and Oz immortal. They both end up as infinite beings living in different ways, affecting, relying and using people in their own way. Long enough that stories might have been made of them during that time "Even the craziest fairy tales come from somewhere" Salem resenting everything and everyone for the life she got, and Ozpin tasked with essentially world peace... trapped in an "impossible war against Salem" in Raven's words, and giving people hope that he himself is desperately clinging to, even if it's through lying, omission or fighting. But now the mirrors are shattered, illusion's over and the gravity of reality kicks in like everything was for nothing. The moon (or dream) was shattered, humanity turned to dust, and the world left a remnant of what it was and people left with nothing but a semblance of the magic they once had. Why i love this show.
(This is my own artistic expression of the nature and location of the four relics, and what they are.) Within the verdant Spring, awaits the Gift of Knowledge Locked within a the grip of Winter, lies the key to Creation Buried beneath Summer's heat, can be found Ruin's blade Beneath Autumn's crown, the Chosen shape their fate. Oz: What's your favorite fairy tale? Pyrrha: "The one about the girl in the tower, and the two brothers, and..." "They've done me wrong a few times guys..." Yeah. We know. Volume 3, need I say more? There is SO MUCH that I wish that I could tell you as well...but I can't because of the massive spoilers that such information would reveal... What I can say. Volume 6 starts off intense (with this HUGE reveal), and doesn't slow down, nor does it let up in terms of the emotional rollercoaster that it has become. Volume 7 is intense, but you'll finally get to see what life is like in Atlas and Mantle. (Besides the little snippets in Volume 4 before Weiss left her home). Volume 8...you're going to love and hate it. I can't say more. I wish I could...but I can't. Also, if you have any questions (lore-wise) related to what is revealed, feel free to ask. I'll answer what I can without spoilers, and if the answers would have spoilers, I'll let you know that those questions will be answered by something later in the series, so at least you know that you'll get the answer in due time. Now, that you've reached this point, I also have something of a question for you. Did you notice Oscar's reflection back in Volume 4? I missed it too the first time I was watching the series, but to make it easier on you to watch it again, here's a clip of that scene. Look carefully at Oscar's shirt (on him), then pause it at the second time you see his reflection in the mirror (not the first). If you look carefully, you'll notice something is... off...about his reflection (specifically revealed by the location of his pocket on his shirt). th-cam.com/video/yxClS3ldXCs/w-d-xo.html As for who the old lady is, all I can tell you (because spoilers) is that her name is Maria Calavera. "That looked like Roman's hat" because it was his hat. Also, the woman walking down the road as it blows past her...well... it's Cinder. (You found out this episode that she's still alive, so I can say her name here). "Who is this?" referring to the blonde woman in front of the statue... Spoilers. Well...you'll get your answer sooner rather than later. Just...watch. Also, your boy, and everyone's favorite Drunk Uncle, Qrow, is voiced by Vic Mignogna, a particularly famous voice actor, known most for his role voicing Edward Elric in Full Metal Alchemist, but he has done MANY voices for anime dubs over his career, including Brolly (from Dragonball Z Movie 8 & 10), Kugaji (from Saiyuki) and many others. In regards to Lil Miss Malachite's reference to 'making the spiders work for her', she is referring to her control over the information network within the city, and beyond, as everyone in the tavern/bar, is one of her 'employees'. Jinn (modeled after the Djinn of Arabian myth), is a nigh omnipotent entity. In this case, the scope of her nigh-omnipotent powers relates to knowledge, as she has explained. But rather than tell, she can show, and when she is summoned, as you saw, time literally ceases to pass except for those recognized as her 'summoner', but only the one who spoke her name can ask the question. Reality is her plaything, and she can weave and sculpt it to reveal the answer to the question when needed, though everything returns to normal as it was when she is done. The catch, you must be SPECIFIC in your question, and she is bound to that same specificity in her answers, so long as what she reveals is an answer to the question at hand. Meaning, you should take her words literally, but pay very careful attention to the wording of both the questions, and her answers. Edit: Adding additional comments and responses for Episode 3 and post-episode 2. Jinn the Genie...well...actually... yes she is. All four of the spirits of the Relics are, and each has their own...troublesome...personality and quirks. (As of Volume 8, we have only seen two of them though). Also, with the story, and the knowledge that The Wizard of Ozpin was hiding, it was most definitely world-changing. You will not be the same person coming out of this episode, that you were before watching it. The knowledge that he was hiding, as you (now) know as well, is certainly something that will change your perspective of the entire series, from beginning to end. With this information now in hand, I'd like to take a moment to direct your attention back to the introduction of RWBY Volume 1, Episode 1. The dialogue narration in the beginning, as that dialogue too, shall take on a whole new meaning as a dialogue between Salem and Ozma (Ozpin) There are still more major reveals coming in the remainder of this volume, as well as the two you have yet to watch. You will certainly be ready to watch RWBY Volume 9 with us when it starts later this year. There IS a theory that Ozma (or one of his incarnations) was the First King of Vale, and that he used the Sword of Destruction in the Great War, in addition to his Magic, while also wearing the Crown of Choice. This has not yet been confirmed (or refuted) in the series itself. As for the four kids, they are not the original Four Maidens, but it is entirely plausible that the original four maidens reminded Oz of his own children while they were visiting him, and that may have helped push him towards bestowing them with his magic. Oz: "How can I destroy Salem?" Jinn: "You can't" Specifics are Important here. The question wasn't "How can Salem be Stopped?" but rather Oz asking specifically how he can destroy Salem, to which Jinn told him the truth, as per her purpose. Oz can't destroy Salem. Salem does not necessarily need to be destroyed in order to be stopped, and I do have my own personal theories related to how the finale of the series is going to be handled. Can't go into detail though because of the massive spoilers for Volume 6 - 8. Finally, regarding how Humanity came to be once more in the world, I'd suggest looking back to the very beginning of the World of Remnant, here: th-cam.com/video/ts106QFjF3k/w-d-xo.html
We got more of a back story for those 2 and the show in a single episode than in 2 seasons 4 and 5. Honestly though I really love this episode it was excellent for story building and in barely 20 minutes no less
If you were to ask me the gods are childish, they act like no one has ever spited them for not bringing back a loved one or gone to the other one when the first brother said no, but that's my opinion
I agree, however, you have to acknowledge that they’re gods. They couldn’t care less about humans and as they said remnant was only an experiment for them. Also their argument before when they were playing light switch with Ozma is so familiar to how siblings fight aha
Well part of point being, what I think was hinted at, no one has ever really come to the god of darkness, pretty much everyone comes and prays to the god of light, so to the god of darkness he finally gets a human that comes to him instead of his brother first, want HIS guidence instead of his brothers, only to find out he was still left to the wind of his brother, basically sloppy seconds, I was always honestly surprised he didn't last out more beyond just killing ozma AGAIN lol
Nope. She's immortal, she can't be destroyed by anyone. But you're right that there's a trick of language there. She can't be destroyed, but she could still be defeated. And they've already heard how. (Not that it'll be easy.)
The god didn't said ''alone'' but ''long'',m meaning that Oz will not long alive forever, because of the balance, but will reincarnate so he could do his mission.
Something you might not have noticed? Salem and Ozma's children... all girls, and the dresses they had in the first scene; Green like the plants coming to life on the first of spring, Yellow like the sweltering summer heat, red like the autumn leaves, blue-gray, like the world in winter. Similarly, something I NEVER noticed until now; "What happened to the kids" they died... everyone in the castle died that night, when Ozma and Salem fought, Ozma was on death's door, and Salem had to reconstitute herself from black goo. Their fighting killed everyone in the castle that night... including their children. Since you came into this knowing "2 and 3 are big, three is game changing" I'll say this; "I literally cannot wait for 6/7 it's... it's... I can't say what it is without ruining it's magic, but WHOO BOY. It's good.... ... maybe you should bring a snack.
Honestly, I love Ozpin and feel bad for him. I think the group is reasonably upset, but I think the writers tried to make Oz morally grey and he really wasnt. A good man just in a bad position.
I wonder how much the black "water" ruined Salem's mental state even more and gave her an extra hunger for destruction... The Gods were both dicks, the Dark one destroyed the world, and the light one did nothing against it. If they would have sent Salem after Ozma the whole show didn't happen :D (Also when God of Light talked to Ozma he said "my brother destroyed humanity" elegantly leaving out the part he could have stopped him in a heartbeat...)
Yup. How do *I* defeat Salem. *YOU* can't. There is definitely wiggle room, since Jinn answered the Ozpin actually asked, not the one he wished he had asked. And with genies and other wish granting in stories always, always, always like to twist the request or take it literally to rebel.
No, she's immortal. She is the only one who can destroy herself, by fulfilling the conditions. Nobody else can. But that doesn't mean she can't be *defeated*.
I would feel like thats a bit of a stupid way to do things if the writers went that route and I think they know that. I would honestly be pissed if thats the route they went.
It’s hard to be sure, but the story makes it sound like strangers came to visit him and that he then gifted them powers… He was old then and if his reincarnation works like the maidens, it’s probable that he was young when he changed, then got old, it’s probably unlikely that his children were the maidens… But who knows how the tale might have changed over time?
Magical mother, reincarnating father, and maidens' powers pass on to random young maidens when they die. But it could have taken many generations of avatars for Oz to become a disillusioned hermit.
Here is the thing that a lot of "Ozpin did nothing wrong" folks miss: Despite the colorful outfits, Team RWBY and the rest are Essentially Solders. Solders understand that they might not know the "big picture" but still may be called upon to sacrifice their lives to achieve a victory. They accept this provided that their superiors understand and appreciate this Sacrifice and treat it with the respect it deserves by not throwing away their lives and not treating them like disposable cannon fodder. Trust is a two way street between the solder and the leader: I follow you even if it means my life, but I will trust that you will do everything not to waste that life away. Ozpin broke that trust by repeatedly lying (saying all the questions were already used up) and by hiding vital information from the team that ultimately jeopardizes their lives (not telling them about the relics being attractive to the Grimm and that Salem is immortal). The revelation that Salem is immortal and can not be destroyed basically meant that nothing they were doing was going to lead them to victory. They were fighting a war with no chance of winning. The best Ozpin could do is delay Salem and fight her to a stalemate. While you can argue if that's a good strategy or not, the truth is Team RWBY had every right to know what they were getting into. Ozpin was using them like cannon fodder, disposable pawns like their parents before them (Team STRQ). He might have thought this was OK because ultimately he is fighting on the side of good, but that is a very Shitty and cynical way to do things and the Girls deserve better. For someone who is Big on Choice, Ozpin is an absolute Hypocrite because there can be NO choice if one does not know the whole picture. Selectively hiding and actively lying to the people who you are asking to trust you is a sure way to guarantee that they will not trust anything you say. No one was asking Ozpin to spill his guts about his and Salem's backstory. But there was no reason for him not to be upfront about the Relic or lie about the questions being used up. Team RWBY was in this with him and they deserved to know the Truth on both counts, but simply was not willing to trust them the way they trusted him, and that was his downfall.
I get it, but still I'm here on Oz's side. Yes he lied about relics and immortal enemy, but what else he should do? Tell everybody that he has no plan? That final boss of this story can't be killed? Oh, that's definitely a great idea! Especially in the world where negative emotions are deadly. He could've told. And maybe he did. Not in that era, but He might've tried. But anyway. Let's talk about bird powers. Why is that a problem?! He can turn himself into a bird and back whenever he wants! That's sounds exclusively beneficial
@@ClockworkRin If you are going to sign up for a suicide mission, wouldn't you want to know? For someone who is Big on "Choice," Ozpin is not very keen on sharing enough for those around him to make Informed choices. Raven believes (or rationalizes) that Ozpin basically manipulated team STRQ into joining his (now confirmed) impossible war against Salem. And in a way, she might not be wrong. They accepted the power and the responsibility based on "false" pretenses and were not fully aware of what they were getting into. It is very much possible that if Raven knew that Salem could not be defeated, she would not have accepted that power nor joined Ozpin. She is not one for making powerful enemies. Ozpin didn't tell Team STRQ what they were getting into when he recruited them (same with team RWBY). He, again, just used them until they were not useful anymore and then moved on to the next team.
@@ClockworkRin Might I also point out what the first words Ozpin said to Ruby in Vol 1 Chapter 1. "You have silver eyes" .. Ozpin didn't see her as a little girl, as the daughter of his friends. He saw her as a weapon he can use. That should tell you a lot about how detached from his humanity he has become. Everyone around him is a pawn or a weapon in his war with Salem.
@@jonjohns8145 Yeah that's kinda messed up , but to be fair that's exactly what they signed up for. I don't think humans belived that there is a way to once and for all destroy Grimm. So from the beginning all hunters and huntress new that it's not the war of wining, but the war of not losing.
Humanity's return is likely like this. Mind you it's theory. Salem said in her opening narration that man was born from Dust. This is likely the dust of those left behind from being wiped out. The God of light restored them to give them a second chance. But originally they were made by light and dark. Now without magic as darkness gave it to them. All that remains is aura and a Semblance of that former magic. Thus the name. Dust itself Is likely what became of the of the lost magic. As magic exists as elements in it's pure form as seen with the maidens. Faunus likewise made in the image of the gods I think we're made by light as an added challenge to see if humanity can get along with an added similar but different species.
The only fair points I can offer is that she either told them off-screen or since it's irrelevant there was no point. They have the relic so theoretically the Spring Maiden is no longer a factor for either Salem or RWBY & co.
@@ninjahaz0180 And also it's pretty easy to infer that Raven was the Maiden if you have 2 brain cells lol. Yang's exact words were "When I got down there, Vernal was dead, Cinder was gone." Qrow asked about Raven, and she said "Gone." So... Where's the lie? .-. Vernal WAS dead, Cinder WAS gone, and so was Raven. You can pretty easily infer "Okay, Vernal's dead, so she's out. Cinder was gone when you got there, so she didn't get the power. Raven was gone, but the Vault was opened."
The treatment of Salem by the gods was cruel and unnecessary, but if you really look at it from their perspective, it does make sense. If Salem got away with tricking the gods, insulting them, turning them against each other, what’s to stop other humans from trying the same? They had to “maintain order” by making her an example. By bestowing a cruel and unbreakable punishment on her. Of course, their actions only led to what they were trying to prevent-a human rebellion-but I can still see why they did it. There’s also the fact that they are not mortal. They have never lost a loved one like all mortals do. They may claim they understand Salem’s grief, but they do not, and they never will.
at 51:15, Salem's eyes are partially changed back. The irises are still red but the whites are now white. Love is counteracting the pool of annihilation. She is learning the value of Life and Death. But when she catches Ozma taking the kids, they are back to black. And Salem said way back in the introduction to Ruby that men were born from dust, and that dust could be what the god of darkness turned all the magic humans into.
I'm pretty sure that the kids died in that battle. Oz sacrificed a big portion of his power to four women, who (at least IMO) reminded him of his daughters. I assume that this is why the power seeks a new host, since that what Oz does after death. Qrow's and Raven's ability might have a similar side effect after their death. One more thing: Salem is stronger than Oz and the four maidens combined.
I don't know why salem thought "hey let me gather all these magic users and get them to use magic against the gods.....THAT CREATED AND GAVE US THE VERY MAGIC WE'RE USING AGAINST THEM" sure salem sure sure its not like they can't stop it in mid air or just absorb and send it back oh no no they can't do that at all can they stupid? I get she was upset and everything but come on I don't if its just me thinking that
well if you are stupid enough to believe Salem could steal immortality from the gods, then you might be stupid enough to believe you can take them down. Remember, she was not at all certain she could beat them, but at least she could make them suffer. She got that. They suffered at least 5 seconds.
I have always wondered about how he asked as in how can I destroy Salem and the genie says you can't what if he asked it the wrong way what if he asked how can we/ humanity defeat Salem or is it possible to beat Salem cuz the thing about genie's you hafta be specific with them so it might be impossible for him by himself to beat Salem but if he had help it may be possible
I would feel like thats a bit of a stupid way to do things if the writers went that route and I think they know that. I would honestly be pissed if thats the route they went.
Finally I can say what I've been wanting to say, but couldn't for spoiler reasons. I never did, and still do not, trust Ozpin. When he said, 'I have made more mistakes than any man, woman and child on this planet', I began to distrust him. At the time I thought that was strange. How could anyone who made so many mistakes be given such an important position? I figured he greased the right palms, which made me distrust him. When I found out he created the academies I neither liked nor distrusted him. He put CHILDREN in harms way. I know they WANT to become Huntspeople, but they aren't yet. And they are NO match for Salem and her people, and yet he didn't think twice about putting them right on top of the relics he KNEW she wanted. As for where we are now there's plenty of blame to go around. Ozpin/Ozma joined her in her crusade to control humanity. Then he turned on her. Not only that but he was going to leave with the children! How did he think that was going to go? Salem, whom I actually feel somewhat sorry for now, is also to blame. Not because she fooled the gods though. I mean come on. If God, or gods, lived with us as they did with her and humanity, how many of you wouldn't try what she did? Out of all those who say they wouldn't I would say to 90% of them their flat out liars. Then she lost not just one time, but she had to watch him die THREE times. Now taking it out on humanity, that's wrong, I'm not behind that. The problem is, as long as there is Remnant, she will walk it's face. If she can bring the relics together and call the gods, then Remnant will be destroyed along with all of humanity, and she can, finally, die. At least that's the assumption I think she's going with. The god of darkness gets blame because he did what he and his brother swore not to do. Or rather he didn't do what he and his brother swore to do, which was keep the balance. But the god of light gets blame as well, and heres what a lot of people seem to miss. The god of light said that there was supposed to be a balance so he could not bring Ozma back to her. Then he turns around and NOT ONLY brings Ozma back, but give BOTH Ozma AND Salem immortality! AFTER denying her AND chastising his brother for breaking the rules of life and death. So Ozpin/Ozma has lied to everyone from the time he came back. He is to blame for so much here. I would never follow, nor trust, Salem. But I wouldn't follow, or trust, Ozpin either. Raven's position makes so much sense now if you think about it. How can you defeat an immortal with magical powers and control of the grim? One caveat. He asked Jinn, how do I destroy Salem.. I ..Maybe HE can't. But maybe someone else can. I think a better question would be, How can Salem be defeated. Not killed, not destroyed, but defeated. So that's my 2 cents. Okay, my few thousand, but there you are.
Are you claiming you never make a mistake? Or that you do not trust anyone including yourself? Or do you trust people that lie by never admitting mistakes? I know that Ozpin's admission of mistakes is honest.
Thats a pretty wild take to me honestly. Would I be hurt by Ozpin lying? Yes. I would still choose to trust him though, and understand him. The huntsman academies, I mean what the heck do you want from Ozpin? What you are saying doesnt make sense? That they arent yet? Well thats why the academies exist? They are huntsmen in training, they gotta learn to fight somehow. That aside what are you proposing, Ozpin should do absolutely nothing, roll over and let Salem kill out humanity? I mean you gotta try to do something, doing nothing and giving up and dying isnt gonna do any good. I cant understand your thinking? Also on the Jinn question I feel like it would be kinda stupid if thats the route the writers were going for, and I think they know that, I’d be pissed if it was.
Sadly, the 4 girls were killed during the battle. It is not a spoiler. However they are never mentioned again. And to date as of the end of volume 8, is my personal opinion that they are dead. Mankind grew to walk the world again. Literally. Evolution happened and mankind grew.
Fun fact : Miss malachite, the lady who's going to track down team Rwby for Cinder, is the mother of the malachite Twins who fought Yang in the yellow trailer !!! 🙂
And she's also based off of Little Miss Muffet who was scared by a spider while she ate her food
Did you notice how the God of Darkness specifically called magic his own gift to mankind?
Makes perfect sense. It's like handing out sticks of dynamite to a kindergarten class, sitting back, and watching the hilarity ensue.
Jinn called magic “a gift from the gods” plural. He just meant it like “I had a part in giving them this gift, and they’re using it against me...”.
@@unicornburger16 that's fair, but I'm not sure it makes a big difference. Light brother might have helped with the gift to see what humanity would make with it, but Dark brother would have done it purely to see it get out of hand.
It was the gift of Destruction (because you also see folks shooting arrows and such). So humanity has the 4 gits, as Qrow said back in V4, of Creation, Destruction, Knowledge and Choice. Creation and Knowledge comes from the God of Light, Destruction and Choice come from the God of Darkness. So humanity used his gift of Choice and Destruction against him.
@@unicornburger16 More like they were using magic of destruction. Magic that the god of light wouldn't exactly approve of. So yeah, all from the god of darkness.
Late but: This is also the reason why silver eyes are THAT dangerous for Cinder! Salem told her in S4E1, that she is vulnerable against Ruby BECAUSE of the Maiden's powers. The Magic they can wield comes from the Dark Brother, but the Silver Eyes come from the God of Light! And Old Brighty OWNED his younger brother! Both in this episode and according to Crow's story in S4E8, when he gave the GoD a chance to help and work together with him for once.
I think the second strand of humanity, Dust, and the Faunus came from the dust of the old humanity and the moon fragments. Salem, the Narrator from the first chapter kinda supports this, "Man made from dust".
"Fairy tales, stories from your childhood. Surely you must remember some of them."
"Well there was The Two Brother, The Shallow Sea, The Girl in the Tower....."
The Shallow Sea is about the origin of the Faunus
People: Don't overanalyze
Melissa: *starts analyzing*
Chat: "Don't think of pink elephants!"
Pink Elephants: "do you mind if I just AM EVERYWHERE?"
the moon: exists
The god of darkness: YEET
The Lost Fable is regarded in the community as one of the best episodes of RWBY hands down and after watching it a good 8 or 9 times I'd have to agree. The way they tell the story of Salem and what came before is just a beautiful thing to behold and really bolstered this entire season.
there's a bit of a theme around bad parents in this show. Jaques, Raven, now Ozpin. The brother gods leaving in a huff when Salem defies them, leaving behind the Grimm spawning pools, an immortal being looking for revenge, and a ridiculous quest to unite humanity or have the world be destroyed, when the gods can't be bothered to manage it themselves.
Salem was right about one thing -- they weren't really true gods in the way humanity likes to think of. They could be lied to, manipulated, and made a TON of awful or at in the absolute best case, morally empty decisions, then they ditched the planet and yeeted themselves off to space.
God of Light just straight-up looked aside and let his brother destroy all of humanity because they might be manipulated by Salem? Yeah. Good 'experiment' bro.
I get the feeling that further down the line, if (almost certainly WHEN) these 'gods' return, they're still not going to quite be what Jinn says they are.
Specially Oz if he turns out to be Hazel's father, or Jaune's relative...
Ow noo we made some crazy which immortal and she told all humanity to attack us ... Whell, fuck that! She ruined the whole thing! We're leaving! Oh and what was the name of that guy? Ozma? Yeah, let's make him fix everything. But if he fails to do stuff we couldn't made we'll destroy the whole world.
No pressure, Baiii!
@@sassui90 There is a theory that there is a link between Jaune and Salem. Because Jaune's emblem is a bit similar to Salem's old kingdom's emblem or something, also it was interesting, when Tyrian was curious about Jaune, maybe for the same reason.
I think somebody might deserve an apology. We all rolled are eyes when a certain character looked directly down camera and said "You still don't get it. There is no beating Salem!"
Are we talking about a dead beat mother or a mass murdering bandit who puts women in cages?
@@eren34558 despite the flaws she is the one adult in the show who told the truth but yea
@@davidssubwaycookies190 Also she was the only one except Ozpin/Ozma and Salem who knew...
You made it! Cards are on the table now! $#%+ just got real!
I feel like the "so why are we doing all this" is flawed. Just because Salem can't be destroyed doesn't mean they should just give up on their lives and let her and the Grimm destroy everything and everyone.
Well yes and no give up you have a point but condemning raven for not wanting anything to do with the immortal monster kinda loses its validity
You gotta consider many people have died and suffered fighting under the assumption of eventually winning against Salem. Then most huntsman fight believing they're keeping peace and people safe with no idea of the losing battle going on in the background. Everything they've lost was for a lie, when they coulda just passed on the burden to the future and live on with their lives like Yang suggests, wouldn't happen in their life time, or like Raven does.
@@sassui90 No huntsman/huntress ever would have gotten into their profession with the expectation that they were going to end the threat of the grimm to the world, that would be like someone becoming a cop thinking they were going to end crime worldwide. They all went into it knowing that the grimm would still be a fact of life long after they died.
The losing battle in the background? Ozma has been winning the battle in the background for thousands of years, the fact that the world still exists is proof that he's always won. The victories might have been painful and costly sure but even the fall of beacon and the death of his Ozpin incarnation was a victory for him, since the primary purpose of the academy was as a defensive measure for the relic of choice. The entire school and all it's students and teachers could have been killed and so long as Salem didn't get the relic it would have still been a strategic victory for Ozma.
Yang's suggestion of passing on the burden to the future and living their lives was stupid and nonsensical as the grimm are drawn to the relics, which she seemed to have forgotten about pretty damn quickly. If they had dropped the relic into the well like she suggested then the grimm would have found it in short order and it would be in Salem's possession shortly thereafter.
@@TheRealRightPrice What are you talking about? "No huntsman ever" so you think Qrow joined Oz's for the fun of it? cause it sure seemed to me he did believe so, among many others, Ironwood? Raven? Lionhart? list goes on.
Saying Oz's winning specially for that reason is the equivalent of someone saying they beat someone's fist up with their face... Im not sure in what world the school falling, city overrun, people including himself dying and most of all communications cut is considered winning but ok. The main 2 reasons she didn't obtain it was 1 Ruby, 2 Oz's design of the vault. And that's ignoring they almost got Haven's relic, while turning Oz's closest people against each other.
Well, ignoring the fact Yang wasn't in her right mind at the time of saying that, it DOES makes sense because yes the Grimm are attracted to it but you're assuming she has some sort of telepathy or hive mind with the grimm, doesn't means Salem will instantly know this even if they were to find it, the proof is that she has to use the Palantir grimm to communicate through long distances.
@@sassui90 Who exactly "died and suffered fighting under the assumption of eventually wining against Salem?" Summer, Qrow, Raven, Tai, Ironwood, Glynda, Lionheart? When did we hear any of them get told told by Ozpin that their objective was to "win against Salem"? For that matter what does "win against Salem" actually mean, as in what are the conditions that constitute "wining"? Did Ozpin ever tell Qrow and Raven that if they worked for him then they would specifically "kill" or "destroy" Salem, and that they would do so in their life times? I don't recall Ozpin ever telling any of the RWBY or JNPR kids that their aim was to kill or destroy Salem.
With my "no huntsman ever" comment I was stating that as far as anyone living on the world of Remnant of Remnant is concerned the Grimm are a fact of life, have plagued the world forever, and they aren't going anywhere. In such a world people get into the profession of huntsmen, meaning a life of risking horrible death protecting others, for a variety of reasons. However, no one (who isn't some form of delusional) would go into such a profession expecting that they themselves were going to personally end the threat of the Grimm forever. They would all understand that the Grimm were around long before they were born and would still be around long after they died. As such, none of the RWBY/JNPR/Oscar characters signed onto being huntsmen/huntresses because they thought they were going to rid the world of Grimm. So, once they learned that there's an ancient evil woman who controls the Grimm and has not be killed or destroyed in after uncountable millennia, a woman who had nothing to do with their individual reasons for becoming huntsmen, why do they suddenly assume that THEY are the ones who are going to finally kill her? Ozpin only told them that the plan was to stop Salem's agents from getting the relic of choice and then to get it to safety in Atlas, that's it. It's not his fault that they wrongly assumed they were going to kill/destroy Salem, and assumed he had a plan to do so. Her being immortal is irrelevant for what they signed up for, both when they signed up to be huntsmen and when they signed up to help Ozpin protect the relic of choice. I'm especially considering Oscars sentiment expressed in Volume 6 chapter 5, "We signed up to try and save the world, not just delay the inevitable."
The school falling, city overrun, people including himself dying and most of all communications cut is a win because all of those are secondary concerns, bonus objectives if you will. The school exists primarily as one of several layers of defense for the relic of choice. Everything else is ultimately irrelevant in the face of keeping the relics separate and secure. At the end of the day the relic of choice is still secure and out of Salem's hands and that's the most important thing. It's a victory for him because ultimately pretty much everything and everyone is expendable in the cause of keeping Salem from obtaining and bringing together the relics, which would surely mean the total destruction of the world at the hands of the gods.
I assume that Salem has some sort of telepathic connection to Grimm because she has been shown to control them without using vocalizing commands, as if they are simply responding to her unspoken will.
And this is the episode that made Ozpin and Salem my favorite characters and also made me start hoping that somehow, Ozpin and Salem's relationship is how they defeat her. After all, it's what started all this, it's only fitting that it helps end it. Since it pretty much confirmed that the original maidens were their children, perhaps part of Ozpin's curse was also inherited, and that's why the maidens' magic goes from host to host? Or maybe he did give four young women powers after they helped get him out of his depression, perhaps reminding him of his four daughters, and they're how he came up with the idea to give the maidens his magic in thanks. One of my biggest questions about the reincarnation thing is, does Ozpin keep his original semblance(if he had one), or does he use the semblance of his current carnation? Does he keep the semblances of his old lives? After all, the souls start separate before merging into one, so how does that work? The gods did also tell Salem how to remove her immortality, by learning the value of both life and death, she would be able to rest. But she instead kept trying to spite them, leading an army to try to kill them. Yeah, they definitely could have done something else, but Salem was also doing everything wrong. But all this adds complexities to both Ozpin and Salem that I love. (I also kinda ship them, but not as they *are* together more like I wish they were *still* together having lived together and changed for the better) but Ozpin doesn't control who his soul goes to, I'm sure many times he got reincarnated into the body of someone who already had a family, which kinda sucks cause it means he's likely lost many families, and I'm sure there's been at least one time his soul entered a woman's body, which must have been weird. The God of Light was trying to follow rules he and the God of Darkness created together, one of which is not to disrupt the balance of life and death. The god of darkness didn't really care for the rules, and was just going to do whatever he looked (as he said) but after hearing Salem lied to him because GoL wouldn't do it he realized Salem was manipulating him to bring Ozma back, she didn't actually believe only he could do it, like she had told him. They punished her for trying to manipulate them, and when the GoD destroyed humanity, GoL wanted to give humanity a second chance he knew eventually they'd evolve back into existence, so he gave Ozma the chance to help them. I don't think the reincarnation was meant to be punishment for Ozma, but it turned into one. Unlike Salem, Ozma didn't do anything wrong and i believe the GoL wanted to ensure Ozma didn't have to go through what Salem did, what he didn't count on was Ozma and Salem doing everything they did. Just my thoughts on this episode.
The whole story was very tragic. I can't even imagine living a world in a like minded soul.
I agree, I’d rather immortality like Salem.
I HAVE WAITED SO LONG FOR YOU TO REACT TO THIS!!!! Dang it feels good
1. Evolution
2. RWBY turns out to be the story of a couple of ex's that can't work things out and can't let each other go.
3. Note that Yang is calling out Oz about not telling them everything but SHE hasn't told anyone that Raven is the Spring Maiden...
True. There's a lot of things that each character in the show don't tell eachother and it ends up leading to so so many problems
Yang doesnt know her Mom is the Maiden. Raven opened the door before Yang arrived, and didn't use her Maiden powers after. So Yang may believe Vernal opened the door before she was killed. She may assume Raven got the powers at that point, but so can the others when the heard Vernal was dead. She did not mention talking to Raven. That's fair critique, though I imagine she was pretty raw emotionally, when he got back to the surface.
The relics were not used to create humanity, instead they were given to Ozma to guide the new humanity that would eventually evolve. It is assumed humanity evolved naturally between the age of old humans and when Ozma was brought back. Instead of the gods guiding humanities evolution, it occurred independently from any diety which is why humans cannot use magic and have to rely on dust, only having semblances. Assuming the time for evolution to occur at such a distinct level, Salem was most probably alone on remnant for many millions of years between the old humans destruction and eventual occurrence of the remnant humans and faunus. As for Ozma, his soul was assimilated into a fully grown adult for his first reincarnation, the rest is when he dies.
I just imagined that Salem lived for so god damn long that evolution became feasible
Thats basically whats being implied. Part of her punishment is the fact she had to live millions of years for mankind to evolve again, leaving her alone all that time, causing her mind to become twisted and leading to her not being able to learn the meaning of life and death.
@@ThePsychosocialite That and jumping into the pool of destruction is what truly prevents her from learning that lesson since she can't conceive of anything positive like that anymore. She couldn't let that destruction go, even when the love that she did all this for came back to her. I think if she hadn't of grimmified herself and was with Oz, she may have eventually learned the lesson.
Volume 6 is the beginning of where stuff goes down. You're going to enjoy the remaining volumes until the next one releases :)
*screaming to the mountaintops* THIS IS THE EPISODE. THESE ARE THE EPISODES. WOOOO-
After all the security measures to get into the vault, Cinder just crawls right out through a hole in the side of a rock wall. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Mr. Burns goes through a gauntlet of security checkpoints on the way to the master terminal only to see a stray dog has wandered in through the rickety screen back door.
Well, to be fair, that chamber was rocked and quaked by the Cinder/Raven Maiden fight to the point where we saw large chunks of rocks fall. So I would not be surprised if that crack was not there until after the fight.
Oh my god THANK YOU SO MUCH for putting the screen back to normal so we can watch along too!!!!
In the book RWBY Fairy Tales of Remnant - Ozpin was trying to collect old fairy tales in order to create a new class dealing with lore at Beacon Academy. One of those tales told the story about Salem, but it ended at "and they lived happily ever after" and didn't continue with the rest of the story. The fairy tales also explain other things like the mythical(??) origins of the Faunus, etc.
I still find it morbidly hilarious that the cause of this entire situation was the Gods didn't want to bring Ozma back to life... and their answer is make Ozma immortal
That's leaving out quite a few steps. 😁 Oz was brought back after the experiment was trashed by the god of destruction. He was brought back as a last hope by the god of light to get humanity to succeed on the 2nd & final time around. He's not really an "answer" to anything, just a chance. The gods left. Gave up on the world, especially the god of destruction. God of light was like, "Hey, your choice Oz, but if you wanna try to salvage this shit-show, here's a couple of tools that might help. Good luck to ya."
someone once described salem's plan to me in an odd but accurate way. they said "salem's plan is just a very complicated suicide attempt"
We as the audience know and understand the main RWBY and JNPR characters much better than Ozpin does as we've seen the entire show from their perspectives. Ozpin only knew them as students attending his school for a single year, whom he had pretty minimal interactions with during that time, so it's entirely reasonable for him not to trust them the way we the audience might think he should.
We didn't lie to you that Cinder was dead; we simply didn't correct you when you assumed Cinder was dead. Some consider that a "lie of omission", which I've never really felt was legitimate, but it's very similar to what Ozpin was doing with what he was telling the team. Make your own decision.
When Ozpin asked Pyrrha about her favorite fairy tales before telling her about the Maidens, one tale that Pyrrha mentioned was "The Girl In The Tower."
No one ever said that the Gods of Light and Darkness aren't complete a-holes.
This story (which has been around from the earliest days of RWBY) was known as the Trials of Salem the Witch.
I think the proper term for your condition at this time is "gob-smacked." At least, that was my condition after watching these episodes.
My head canon is that the children probably died during the battle between Ozma and Salem. Too much of the story of the Four Maidens, and even Ozpin's own version of the story he gave us in V5C7, say that the old wizard (who we now know was an earlier Ozpin reincarnation) used his magic to give the Maidens their magic, and everything about it seems to say that it happened long after humanity returned to Remnant. But since the children already were showing that they had their own magic, that means that the original Maidens didn't have magic, and so the Maidens weren't the children.
Lies of Omission are a thing in life, but when its about a show or story, its just called not spoiling ;-)
I like the Gods. The God of Darkness was spiteful, but they both were at least fairly reasonable in their actions.
Oh, I can't wait to see what you think of this! A crazy, crazy episode, and well worth the wait.
Jinn is voiced by Colleen Clinkenbeard, most famous for voicing Luffy from One Piece. She also voices Momo in the MHA dub and a million other characters.
And Erza Scarlet from Fairytale
Ms Clinkenbeard is one of the biggest and brightest stars in the Funimation VA galaxy!
I am so glad we are finally here. I've been waiting forever for you to see this episode. Awnsers a lot of questions but also gives us some more.
37:17 This is the gods showing how they can easily play hot potato with someone's life
There is debate in the community over whether Salem and Oz’s children are the maidens or merely the inspiration for the maidens…
From the show’s lore it should be obvious they are the inspiration for, since Oz himself stated he used his magic to gift the maidens with magic.
But the flip side says he was speaking metaphorically and by having children he “ gifted them with his magic”
It’s an interesting debate to say the least.
I mean Ozpin wouldnt be weak magically if his daughters were the original maidens, so it doesnt make sense that his daughters were the original 4.
Inspiration from them most definitely, but it is likely that the 4 maidens were not his daughters.
OKAY! First thing I want to adress, unlike Cinder's revival, when fans began chanting "no body no death" about Adam, CRWBY immediately confirmed he was dead. Second, there's a theory that the castle they fought in was both the castle from the first volume (where they team up), AND the castle Salem is currently in (which is on that red island top left on the map of Remnant)
"Man, BORN FROM DUST, was strong, wise and resourceful" - Episode 1 Volume 1 narration.
In crashing into the moon, some sort of godly power was left behind and gave dust to the world. A little spark of creation. Man was probably literally born from that dust, just like the narration says.
hahahaha its how you look at the camera after that episode 6x02 for me, it made me laugh so hard like "yuuuuup and we had to wait for 6x03 when it released XD"
Melissa Hime, pay attention to the specific wording of the gods to Salem, "So long as this world turns you shall walk it's face." Now think about what the god of light told Ozma would happen when the relics are brought together, the gods would be summoned back to judge humanity, and if humanity is not united and fails the gods judgement then the world of Remnant would be "wiped from existence". Now you might be able to deduce what Salem's ultimate goal is, since she's actively working to both collect the relics together and prevent the people of the world from being peacefully united.
You know what upsets me the most?! The gods denied Salem her wish to bring ozpin back,then after destroying humanity, the just decide "oh sure let's just bring him back"....if they had just allowed to bring ozpin back,or allowed Salem death,then EVERYTHING could have been avoided!!!
You could say the same thing about Salem. If she had just learned to accept Ozma's fate and found peace, once she died they would have reunited in the afterlife that definitely 100% exists because Gods exist on the planet and everyone knows about them. She is incapable of thinking long-term or seeing the bigger picture, and if she hadn't made her decisions everything could have been avoided.
The gods and the people are just as flawed/imperfect as each other.
Yeah, that was a pretty fucked up thing for the Gods to do.
@@shadowfragment nah the gods are fucked.
I’m not sure if you’ll ever see this, or if someone has already pointed it out, but I’m going to say a quote:
“Pierce the sky, escape your fate. The more you try the more you’ll just breed hate, and lies. Truth will rise, revealed by mirrored eyes” - Sacrifice (Volume 2 soundtrack)
Best episodes of Rwby ever
when 6x03 came out there were a lot of spongebob "lIFE! DEATH! LIFE! DEATH! LIFE! DEATH!" patrick NOOOO" jokes
in the first episode of the series its told to us that "humanity came from dust" meaning we evolved from the literal ashes of the former humans. and the god of light says "without our blessings theyre are but of fraction of what they once were" or another way of saying this is "a semblance" of what they once were. a "semblance" of magic
Meslssa Hime, 46:49 See the parallel between Ozma and Pyrrha in this moment, when asked to take on a great burden/mission for the good of the world they both respond simply and swiftly with "I'll do it."
Maybe even word for word they said the same thing, I'm not sure about Phyrra.
You know some people would just slam the door on the way out…
Not the god of darkness. God of darkness is just built different
He just broke the door)
Freaking extra that guy
@@eren34558 He did The Big Yeet (as said by someone else in a comment in a previous Volume, I think 3 or 4)
Fun fact, when Ozpin asks Pyrrah what here favorite fairy tail is, she mentions "The Girl in the Tower".... and Blake was reading a book about a man with two souls... O_O
Yesterday I told my friend that I love her almost as much as my dog and my sister. Keep it up and you will get on the board as well.
I m not complaining when it comes to RWBY more like i love it but i think 1 hour and 11 mins is a new record ^^
well Puns of Damage could pull an honest hour for ONE episode, and I listened to every minute.
Exactly! I always appreciate hearing their thoughts out, I think people should stop being scared of long videos or grow longer attention span, no one is holding a gun to your saying you have to watch the whole thing through
@@jeffreysmith236 I will definitely miss her reactions, but I am happy she is now part of CRWBY.
@@jermfb definitely, her happiness is far more important than a few hours of entertainment for me. She was my absolute favorite by a large margin.
I know this is an old video, but in case nobody has mentioned it, both the God of Light and God of Darkness are visible within the Map of Remnant. Check the map, you’ll see the two dragons within it
I'm so glad you went back to your old editing style for these reactions! (Though I would say the audio of the show is still too quiet)
The God of Darkness : You you should have gone for the head (SNAP)
All of this could have been prevented if the gods gave Salem grief therapy instead
I never understood people who thought Cinder was actually dead. She's one of the most important people in the show. The second biggest villain to Salem (maybe even greater in some respects). And yet people actually thought she was gonna be killed by a side character she had only known for less than half a Volume.
I wish they did leave cinder dead, she hasn't contributed much
Indeed. Even though Salem may be considered the "top" villain, at least for the time being, Cinder has always been kind of the _main_ villain. In many ways from our perspective, Cinder has been written as the main villain of the show partially because she's been written as one of the main *_characters_* throughout pretty much the entire series, being the mastermind behind many of the show's most significant events.
As the late radio commentator Paul Harvey use to say..... "NOW, you know.....THE REST of the story!!"
The brothers through the world out of balance when they made Salem immortal, they are hypocrites
They play by Pagan rules. They're not all perfect or all knowing, they're regular people just like us but given unimaginable power. Which is so much more interesting than all-powerful omnipotent gods. Perfect gods are boring.
They got upset and made a rash decision because they were upset, just like we do. They make mistakes just like we do. They should be judged the same way we are.
And this ladies and gentlemen is why marriage counseling is a necessity but you have to find a good marriage counselor
I have been waiting for SO LONG to see your reaction to the lore chapter!
Salem pitched to Oz that they could become the world's gods as an answer to humanity being divided. He was thinking they could be the world's guides, not necessarily rulers. That's why he agreed. It's implied that she was thinking more in terms of ruling by the voice-over saying "The minds of men are easily swayed," and she was purposefully manipulating him.
The previous time when the Gods were mentioned wasn't a World of Remnant. It was in Volume 4 when Qrow had to explain to RNJR why Tyrian was after Ruby.
at 53:57, Oz' kids have silver eyes. If one of his incarnations had had a harem and produced 200+ silver-eyed warriors his task would have been much easier. And people would have been safer.
Mmmmmm, I not sure RWBY would work with a harem arc or episodes...the ensuing rabid and viscous fandom shipping wars would be greater than all the naval battles in history...combined! (;]D`
@@johnnygnoneeded who said it had to be current. Just at some time in one of his many lives he should have done that, then silver eyes would not be as rare since many of those children would have children. In fact, silver-eyed warriors ought to be told how important it is for them to have as many kids as possible to prevent Salem from wiping them out.
@@jeffreysmith236 'Twas a jest, as anime-style harems are usually rom-coms, and RWBY isn't by any measure an anime style rom-com. And because, face it...RWBY fans have a bit of a reputation as being, well, fanatic! (;]D` And besides, Ozpin's genetics would change with each new incarnation, with each new body his soul migrates to. It's only his original body incarnation that would carry those genes, and that combination with Salem, who was already immersed in a Grimm pool, produced four silver-eyed, magic using daughters. So, would that also make the daughters part Grimm? Or would they be able to control Grimm, like their mother, Salem? And if Salem's and Ozpin's "divorce" weren't so violent and perhaps deadly, with whom would the girls gone with? Cinder is a Maiden only by guile and theft, look how destructive and dangerous she is! Imagine if one or more of those magic using, silver eyed daughters decided to follow their mother, and follow in Salem's path? Could be many Lost Tales of Remnant to tell! A fanfic gold mine!
@@johnnygnoneeded The two kids he had as the guy who made the cane also had silver eyes. I mean silver eyes come the God of Light and so are not constrained by biology but by magic. I have not seen any harem anime. I was speaking purely about survival strategy in this set of circumstances. There ought to be a high priority placed on rapid procreation of silver-eyed warriors. For their sake as well as humanity's.
@@jeffreysmith236 Good point!
Imagine having to wait a week after this fricken cliffhanger.
The two biggest atomic plot bomb episodes. The God of Light is more or less a hypocrite imo. He refused to revive Ozma based on his code of upholding a natural order only to bring him back anyways after Salem went insane and became a callous, manipulative, evil, killer. The God of Darkness is at least earnest in how he handles affairs as opposed to The God of Light.
But the balance changed then because his brother had killed everyone… Not sure if he sent him back after Salem got Grimmed, but sending Ozma back then might be to balance that out… In which case it’s not as hypocritical… But who knows?
@@KitsyX what threw the balance out was making Salem immortal. That was the giant monkey wrench.
@@jeffreysmith236 Well, it did, but I think she was meant to learn her lesson, then be made mortal again, without her really affecting anyone else... But I suppose that's not a whole lot different from giving Ozma extra life in the first place... Though it was also meant as a punishment I guess... I don't know... Either way, probably a bad judgement call on their part lol.
That's the thing with his last question: how can "I" destroy Salem?
It would make more sense for him to ask "how can Salem be destroyed?"
Or, more importantly, "How can Salem be DEFEATED". You don't NEED to destroy her to stop her, after all.
@@TurtleOfAngst I do remember an interesting theory that could possibly work with bringing Salem back to before she entered the pools of Grimm.
The theory about the silver eyed warriors.
@@barongrasse2296 Quite possible, perhaps a test run could be performed on Cinder? Wouldn't change that Salem is vindictive and selfish by nature, sadly.
@@TurtleOfAngst true, but it would get rid of the part of her that wants destruction of everything
@@barongrasse2296 Jumping into the Brothers Grimm made it worse, but she didn't bat an eye at entire armies being wiped out before that. She wasn't forced to be evil, she chose it.
As far as how humanity seemingly came back to Remnant, I dare say it was through good 'ole EVOLUTION! Salem mentions in episode 1 of RWBY that man was "born from dust" which points towards the fact that this iteration of humanity was born from the primordial dust of their ancestors and eventually became what you see in the show now. The fact that Faunus are also stated to be just as old as the current version of humanity points towards the fact that clearly there were some evolutionary changes that occurred. Of course, Faunus and humans are genetically similar enough to interbreed with the Faunus trait being dominant so it's also possible that something else is going on there that we simply don't know but regardless we have good 'ole evolution to thank for current humanity.
I mean in a WOR vid they say its a 50/50 between a human or Faunus if the kid will be human or Faunus.
I live for your reactions to RWBY! I love them!
Thank you for uploading the full video and audio and waiting for the unblock! It looks and sounds sooo much better! 😊
“I’ve made more mistakes than any man, woman and child on this planet.” - Professor Ozpin, Volume 1 Chapter 10
Now you have the true context of that statement.
This also shows that Ozpin did not choose the soul he was bonded with: people were giving him a lot of crap for that when he first bonded with Oscar in V4; it’s clear now he never has had any choice in the matter.
The four kids were all girls, and they could use magic. And yes, they were all killed. So are they the first maidens? There’s a lot of debate about that, but I think they are and that’s how their powers began passing to different hosts. You can believe what you want, but I see too much evidence supporting it to believe anything else.
You did miss one crucial line of dialogue the gods said to Salem (you probably as it during rewatch): “You must learn the importance of life and death. Only then, may you rest.”
I know you’re ahead - I see you’re on 7x10 and 7x11 on Patreon, and this particular batch got unblocked today. Nice RWBY double whammy: because, if no one told you, today (the date when this comment posted) would’ve been Monty Oum’s birthday.
It’s such a crime that the most important person to the show doesn’t get to see all the things it’s done in the last six years.
Anyway, please do the reactions like this from now on, they’re much more awesome! We can handle a little delay if we need to. 😁
AAAAAAAAA time for The Girl In The Tower!
And the tale of the two brothers. All we need now is the shallow sea story
There was mankind made by the gods, and mankind born from dust presumably naturally. I do recommend watching previous vols after this. A couple interesting details:
There was 1 question already used after 100 years, meaning someone in their lifetime used it before.
The effect from the fountain of life is similar to aura, which works similarly too by preserving the user to a lesser extent.
The oriental dragons are usually associated to positivity, light, balance, creation and preservation, while in the west dragons are usually associated with destruction, evil, chaos, darkness and negativity.
The Gods seem to switch positions for a bit there, seem to not agree entirely on their choices, and both make mistakes, including making Salem and Oz immortal. They both end up as infinite beings living in different ways, affecting, relying and using people in their own way. Long enough that stories might have been made of them during that time "Even the craziest fairy tales come from somewhere"
Salem resenting everything and everyone for the life she got, and Ozpin tasked with essentially world peace... trapped in an "impossible war against Salem" in Raven's words, and giving people hope that he himself is desperately clinging to, even if it's through lying, omission or fighting. But now the mirrors are shattered, illusion's over and the gravity of reality kicks in like everything was for nothing. The moon (or dream) was shattered, humanity turned to dust, and the world left a remnant of what it was and people left with nothing but a semblance of the magic they once had. Why i love this show.
(This is my own artistic expression of the nature and location of the four relics, and what they are.)
Within the verdant Spring, awaits the Gift of Knowledge
Locked within a the grip of Winter, lies the key to Creation
Buried beneath Summer's heat, can be found Ruin's blade
Beneath Autumn's crown, the Chosen shape their fate.
Oz: What's your favorite fairy tale?
Pyrrha: "The one about the girl in the tower, and the two brothers, and..."
"They've done me wrong a few times guys..."
Yeah. We know.
Volume 3, need I say more?
There is SO MUCH that I wish that I could tell you as well...but I can't because of the massive spoilers that such information would reveal...
What I can say. Volume 6 starts off intense (with this HUGE reveal), and doesn't slow down, nor does it let up in terms of the emotional rollercoaster that it has become.
Volume 7 is intense, but you'll finally get to see what life is like in Atlas and Mantle. (Besides the little snippets in Volume 4 before Weiss left her home).
Volume 8...you're going to love and hate it. I can't say more. I wish I could...but I can't.
Also, if you have any questions (lore-wise) related to what is revealed, feel free to ask. I'll answer what I can without spoilers, and if the answers would have spoilers, I'll let you know that those questions will be answered by something later in the series, so at least you know that you'll get the answer in due time.
Now, that you've reached this point, I also have something of a question for you.
Did you notice Oscar's reflection back in Volume 4? I missed it too the first time I was watching the series, but to make it easier on you to watch it again, here's a clip of that scene. Look carefully at Oscar's shirt (on him), then pause it at the second time you see his reflection in the mirror (not the first). If you look carefully, you'll notice something is... off...about his reflection (specifically revealed by the location of his pocket on his shirt).
th-cam.com/video/yxClS3ldXCs/w-d-xo.html
As for who the old lady is, all I can tell you (because spoilers) is that her name is Maria Calavera.
"That looked like Roman's hat" because it was his hat.
Also, the woman walking down the road as it blows past her...well... it's Cinder. (You found out this episode that she's still alive, so I can say her name here).
"Who is this?" referring to the blonde woman in front of the statue... Spoilers. Well...you'll get your answer sooner rather than later. Just...watch.
Also, your boy, and everyone's favorite Drunk Uncle, Qrow, is voiced by Vic Mignogna, a particularly famous voice actor, known most for his role voicing Edward Elric in Full Metal Alchemist, but he has done MANY voices for anime dubs over his career, including Brolly (from Dragonball Z Movie 8 & 10), Kugaji (from Saiyuki) and many others.
In regards to Lil Miss Malachite's reference to 'making the spiders work for her', she is referring to her control over the information network within the city, and beyond, as everyone in the tavern/bar, is one of her 'employees'.
Jinn (modeled after the Djinn of Arabian myth), is a nigh omnipotent entity. In this case, the scope of her nigh-omnipotent powers relates to knowledge, as she has explained. But rather than tell, she can show, and when she is summoned, as you saw, time literally ceases to pass except for those recognized as her 'summoner', but only the one who spoke her name can ask the question.
Reality is her plaything, and she can weave and sculpt it to reveal the answer to the question when needed, though everything returns to normal as it was when she is done.
The catch, you must be SPECIFIC in your question, and she is bound to that same specificity in her answers, so long as what she reveals is an answer to the question at hand. Meaning, you should take her words literally, but pay very careful attention to the wording of both the questions, and her answers.
Edit: Adding additional comments and responses for Episode 3 and post-episode 2.
Jinn the Genie...well...actually... yes she is. All four of the spirits of the Relics are, and each has their own...troublesome...personality and quirks. (As of Volume 8, we have only seen two of them though).
Also, with the story, and the knowledge that The Wizard of Ozpin was hiding, it was most definitely world-changing.
You will not be the same person coming out of this episode, that you were before watching it.
The knowledge that he was hiding, as you (now) know as well, is certainly something that will change your perspective of the entire series, from beginning to end.
With this information now in hand, I'd like to take a moment to direct your attention back to the introduction of RWBY Volume 1, Episode 1. The dialogue narration in the beginning, as that dialogue too, shall take on a whole new meaning as a dialogue between Salem and Ozma (Ozpin)
There are still more major reveals coming in the remainder of this volume, as well as the two you have yet to watch. You will certainly be ready to watch RWBY Volume 9 with us when it starts later this year.
There IS a theory that Ozma (or one of his incarnations) was the First King of Vale, and that he used the Sword of Destruction in the Great War, in addition to his Magic, while also wearing the Crown of Choice.
This has not yet been confirmed (or refuted) in the series itself.
As for the four kids, they are not the original Four Maidens, but it is entirely plausible that the original four maidens reminded Oz of his own children while they were visiting him, and that may have helped push him towards bestowing them with his magic.
Oz: "How can I destroy Salem?"
Jinn: "You can't"
Specifics are Important here. The question wasn't "How can Salem be Stopped?" but rather Oz asking specifically how he can destroy Salem, to which Jinn told him the truth, as per her purpose.
Oz can't destroy Salem.
Salem does not necessarily need to be destroyed in order to be stopped, and I do have my own personal theories related to how the finale of the series is going to be handled. Can't go into detail though because of the massive spoilers for Volume 6 - 8.
Finally, regarding how Humanity came to be once more in the world, I'd suggest looking back to the very beginning of the World of Remnant, here: th-cam.com/video/ts106QFjF3k/w-d-xo.html
Your question about moon have been answered.
We got more of a back story for those 2 and the show in a single episode than in 2 seasons 4 and 5.
Honestly though I really love this episode it was excellent for story building and in barely 20 minutes no less
If you were to ask me the gods are childish, they act like no one has ever spited them for not bringing back a loved one or gone to the other one when the first brother said no, but that's my opinion
I agree, however, you have to acknowledge that they’re gods. They couldn’t care less about humans and as they said remnant was only an experiment for them. Also their argument before when they were playing light switch with Ozma is so familiar to how siblings fight aha
the fact that no one else was made immortal implies that Salem was indeed the first to go behind ones back and ask the other
Well part of point being, what I think was hinted at, no one has ever really come to the god of darkness, pretty much everyone comes and prays to the god of light, so to the god of darkness he finally gets a human that comes to him instead of his brother first, want HIS guidence instead of his brothers, only to find out he was still left to the wind of his brother, basically sloppy seconds, I was always honestly surprised he didn't last out more beyond just killing ozma AGAIN lol
Ozpin did tell Ruby he made more mistakes than any man,woman, or child.
note that Jin said "YOU can't."
When she should of said "She can't be destroyed."
Referring that OZ can't kill her, but there is another way.
Nope. She's immortal, she can't be destroyed by anyone.
But you're right that there's a trick of language there. She can't be destroyed, but she could still be defeated. And they've already heard how. (Not that it'll be easy.)
The god didn't said ''alone'' but ''long'',m meaning that Oz will not long alive forever, because of the balance, but will reincarnate so he could do his mission.
Something you might not have noticed? Salem and Ozma's children... all girls, and the dresses they had in the first scene; Green like the plants coming to life on the first of spring, Yellow like the sweltering summer heat, red like the autumn leaves, blue-gray, like the world in winter.
Similarly, something I NEVER noticed until now; "What happened to the kids" they died... everyone in the castle died that night, when Ozma and Salem fought, Ozma was on death's door, and Salem had to reconstitute herself from black goo. Their fighting killed everyone in the castle that night... including their children.
Since you came into this knowing "2 and 3 are big, three is game changing" I'll say this; "I literally cannot wait for 6/7 it's... it's... I can't say what it is without ruining it's magic, but WHOO BOY. It's good.... ... maybe you should bring a snack.
Oz’s kids were not the original maidens.
Probably the inspiration sure.
Bottom line: RWBY is basically the outcome of a VERY MESSY divorce
I acknowledge your knowledging.
"Destroy" is the key word
Honestly, I love Ozpin and feel bad for him.
I think the group is reasonably upset, but I think the writers tried to make Oz morally grey and he really wasnt.
A good man just in a bad position.
humanity just came back through evolution
Probably the GOL supercharged their evolution with the dust of the Elder Race - but Salem had to sit and wait - long enough to drive anyone batty
When they go into the white void, does anyone now expect to find John Oliver, sitting at a desk and reciting depressing facts?
I wonder how much the black "water" ruined Salem's mental state even more and gave her an extra hunger for destruction... The Gods were both dicks, the Dark one destroyed the world, and the light one did nothing against it. If they would have sent Salem after Ozma the whole show didn't happen :D (Also when God of Light talked to Ozma he said "my brother destroyed humanity" elegantly leaving out the part he could have stopped him in a heartbeat...)
Jinn specifically said that Ozpin can't defeat Salem. She didn't say it was impossible for anyone else
Yup. How do *I* defeat Salem. *YOU* can't.
There is definitely wiggle room, since Jinn answered the Ozpin actually asked, not the one he wished he had asked. And with genies and other wish granting in stories always, always, always like to twist the request or take it literally to rebel.
No, she's immortal. She is the only one who can destroy herself, by fulfilling the conditions. Nobody else can. But that doesn't mean she can't be *defeated*.
I would feel like thats a bit of a stupid way to do things if the writers went that route and I think they know that.
I would honestly be pissed if thats the route they went.
I think the kids are the maidens, Oz's second body was the old man from the story of the seasons/maidens
It’s hard to be sure, but the story makes it sound like strangers came to visit him and that he then gifted them powers… He was old then and if his reincarnation works like the maidens, it’s probable that he was young when he changed, then got old, it’s probably unlikely that his children were the maidens… But who knows how the tale might have changed over time?
The kids were his inspiration to give the maiden sisters their powers, they’re not actually the maidens.
Magical mother, reincarnating father, and maidens' powers pass on to random young maidens when they die. But it could have taken many generations of avatars for Oz to become a disillusioned hermit.
Here is the thing that a lot of "Ozpin did nothing wrong" folks miss: Despite the colorful outfits, Team RWBY and the rest are Essentially Solders. Solders understand that they might not know the "big picture" but still may be called upon to sacrifice their lives to achieve a victory. They accept this provided that their superiors understand and appreciate this Sacrifice and treat it with the respect it deserves by not throwing away their lives and not treating them like disposable cannon fodder. Trust is a two way street between the solder and the leader: I follow you even if it means my life, but I will trust that you will do everything not to waste that life away. Ozpin broke that trust by repeatedly lying (saying all the questions were already used up) and by hiding vital information from the team that ultimately jeopardizes their lives (not telling them about the relics being attractive to the Grimm and that Salem is immortal).
The revelation that Salem is immortal and can not be destroyed basically meant that nothing they were doing was going to lead them to victory. They were fighting a war with no chance of winning. The best Ozpin could do is delay Salem and fight her to a stalemate. While you can argue if that's a good strategy or not, the truth is Team RWBY had every right to know what they were getting into. Ozpin was using them like cannon fodder, disposable pawns like their parents before them (Team STRQ). He might have thought this was OK because ultimately he is fighting on the side of good, but that is a very Shitty and cynical way to do things and the Girls deserve better. For someone who is Big on Choice, Ozpin is an absolute Hypocrite because there can be NO choice if one does not know the whole picture. Selectively hiding and actively lying to the people who you are asking to trust you is a sure way to guarantee that they will not trust anything you say. No one was asking Ozpin to spill his guts about his and Salem's backstory. But there was no reason for him not to be upfront about the Relic or lie about the questions being used up. Team RWBY was in this with him and they deserved to know the Truth on both counts, but simply was not willing to trust them the way they trusted him, and that was his downfall.
I get it, but still I'm here on Oz's side. Yes he lied about relics and immortal enemy, but what else he should do? Tell everybody that he has no plan? That final boss of this story can't be killed? Oh, that's definitely a great idea! Especially in the world where negative emotions are deadly.
He could've told. And maybe he did. Not in that era, but He might've tried.
But anyway. Let's talk about bird powers. Why is that a problem?! He can turn himself into a bird and back whenever he wants! That's sounds exclusively beneficial
You don't get it, Ruby!
@@ClockworkRin If you are going to sign up for a suicide mission, wouldn't you want to know? For someone who is Big on "Choice," Ozpin is not very keen on sharing enough for those around him to make Informed choices.
Raven believes (or rationalizes) that Ozpin basically manipulated team STRQ into joining his (now confirmed) impossible war against Salem. And in a way, she might not be wrong. They accepted the power and the responsibility based on "false" pretenses and were not fully aware of what they were getting into. It is very much possible that if Raven knew that Salem could not be defeated, she would not have accepted that power nor joined Ozpin. She is not one for making powerful enemies. Ozpin didn't tell Team STRQ what they were getting into when he recruited them (same with team RWBY). He, again, just used them until they were not useful anymore and then moved on to the next team.
@@ClockworkRin Might I also point out what the first words Ozpin said to Ruby in Vol 1 Chapter 1. "You have silver eyes" .. Ozpin didn't see her as a little girl, as the daughter of his friends. He saw her as a weapon he can use. That should tell you a lot about how detached from his humanity he has become. Everyone around him is a pawn or a weapon in his war with Salem.
@@jonjohns8145 Yeah that's kinda messed up , but to be fair that's exactly what they signed up for. I don't think humans belived that there is a way to once and for all destroy Grimm. So from the beginning all hunters and huntress new that it's not the war of wining, but the war of not losing.
Humanity's return is likely like this. Mind you it's theory. Salem said in her opening narration that man was born from Dust. This is likely the dust of those left behind from being wiped out. The God of light restored them to give them a second chance. But originally they were made by light and dark. Now without magic as darkness gave it to them. All that remains is aura and a Semblance of that former magic. Thus the name. Dust itself Is likely what became of the of the lost magic. As magic exists as elements in it's pure form as seen with the maidens. Faunus likewise made in the image of the gods I think we're made by light as an added challenge to see if humanity can get along with an added similar but different species.
Still, it's kinda hypocritical for Yang to question Ozpin's secrecy after hiding from everyone that Raven is the Spring Maiden.
The only fair points I can offer is that she either told them off-screen or since it's irrelevant there was no point. They have the relic so theoretically the Spring Maiden is no longer a factor for either Salem or RWBY & co.
@@LukaBlight69 she told qrow that her mum wasn’t there when she went down to the vault. Completely lying.
@@ninjahaz0180 Not true. She said Cinder was gone, Vernal was dead and her mom lefted. Pls stop making things up to fit a narrative
@@ninjahaz0180 And also it's pretty easy to infer that Raven was the Maiden if you have 2 brain cells lol. Yang's exact words were "When I got down there, Vernal was dead, Cinder was gone." Qrow asked about Raven, and she said "Gone." So... Where's the lie? .-. Vernal WAS dead, Cinder WAS gone, and so was Raven. You can pretty easily infer "Okay, Vernal's dead, so she's out. Cinder was gone when you got there, so she didn't get the power. Raven was gone, but the Vault was opened."
@@mkmcdjr
"what happened"
"I don't know exactly. When I got down there cinder was gone, and vernal was dead"
"and Raven?"
"Gone"
Don't tell me lies
Over an hour! Awesome! :D
The treatment of Salem by the gods was cruel and unnecessary, but if you really look at it from their perspective, it does make sense.
If Salem got away with tricking the gods, insulting them, turning them against each other, what’s to stop other humans from trying the same? They had to “maintain order” by making her an example. By bestowing a cruel and unbreakable punishment on her.
Of course, their actions only led to what they were trying to prevent-a human rebellion-but I can still see why they did it. There’s also the fact that they are not mortal. They have never lost a loved one like all mortals do. They may claim they understand Salem’s grief, but they do not, and they never will.
at 51:15, Salem's eyes are partially changed back. The irises are still red but the whites are now white. Love is counteracting the pool of annihilation. She is learning the value of Life and Death. But when she catches Ozma taking the kids, they are back to black. And Salem said way back in the introduction to Ruby that men were born from dust, and that dust could be what the god of darkness turned all the magic humans into.
I'm pretty sure that the kids died in that battle. Oz sacrificed a big portion of his power to four women, who (at least IMO) reminded him of his daughters. I assume that this is why the power seeks a new host, since that what Oz does after death.
Qrow's and Raven's ability might have a similar side effect after their death.
One more thing: Salem is stronger than Oz and the four maidens combined.
So...if you have the relic of knowledge, and you summon Jinn...you can appear in an episode of John Oliver?
I also would like to comment that if you ever have been shot at you will not soon forget it. This show is about children who have been through hell.
22:45 Jinn giving the finger? You gotta pause it at the right frame.
Pretty sure humanity came back through simply Evolution
I don't know why salem thought "hey let me gather all these magic users and get them to use magic against the gods.....THAT CREATED AND GAVE US THE VERY MAGIC WE'RE USING AGAINST THEM" sure salem sure sure its not like they can't stop it in mid air or just absorb and send it back oh no no they can't do that at all can they stupid? I get she was upset and everything but come on I don't if its just me thinking that
well if you are stupid enough to believe Salem could steal immortality from the gods, then you might be stupid enough to believe you can take them down. Remember, she was not at all certain she could beat them, but at least she could make them suffer. She got that. They suffered at least 5 seconds.
@@jeffreysmith236I hear you but im not stupid at all still though
@@tazm2480 did you follow Salem against the gods? No, So you are not who I was talking about.
Finally, she's reached it U w U
Best episode of RWBY for me.
I have always wondered about how he asked as in how can I destroy Salem and the genie says you can't what if he asked it the wrong way what if he asked how can we/ humanity defeat Salem or is it possible to beat Salem cuz the thing about genie's you hafta be specific with them so it might be impossible for him by himself to beat Salem but if he had help it may be possible
I would feel like thats a bit of a stupid way to do things if the writers went that route and I think they know that.
I would honestly be pissed if thats the route they went.
Finally I can say what I've been wanting to say, but couldn't for spoiler reasons. I never did, and still do not, trust Ozpin. When he said, 'I have made more mistakes than any man, woman and child on this planet', I began to distrust him. At the time I thought that was strange. How could anyone who made so many mistakes be given such an important position? I figured he greased the right palms, which made me distrust him. When I found out he created the academies I neither liked nor distrusted him. He put CHILDREN in harms way. I know they WANT to become Huntspeople, but they aren't yet. And they are NO match for Salem and her people, and yet he didn't think twice about putting them right on top of the relics he KNEW she wanted.
As for where we are now there's plenty of blame to go around. Ozpin/Ozma joined her in her crusade to control humanity. Then he turned on her. Not only that but he was going to leave with the children! How did he think that was going to go?
Salem, whom I actually feel somewhat sorry for now, is also to blame. Not because she fooled the gods though. I mean come on. If God, or gods, lived with us as they did with her and humanity, how many of you wouldn't try what she did? Out of all those who say they wouldn't I would say to 90% of them their flat out liars. Then she lost not just one time, but she had to watch him die THREE times. Now taking it out on humanity, that's wrong, I'm not behind that. The problem is, as long as there is Remnant, she will walk it's face. If she can bring the relics together and call the gods, then Remnant will be destroyed along with all of humanity, and she can, finally, die. At least that's the assumption I think she's going with.
The god of darkness gets blame because he did what he and his brother swore not to do. Or rather he didn't do what he and his brother swore to do, which was keep the balance.
But the god of light gets blame as well, and heres what a lot of people seem to miss. The god of light said that there was supposed to be a balance so he could not bring Ozma back to her. Then he turns around and NOT ONLY brings Ozma back, but give BOTH Ozma AND Salem immortality! AFTER denying her AND chastising his brother for breaking the rules of life and death.
So Ozpin/Ozma has lied to everyone from the time he came back. He is to blame for so much here. I would never follow, nor trust, Salem. But I wouldn't follow, or trust, Ozpin either. Raven's position makes so much sense now if you think about it. How can you defeat an immortal with magical powers and control of the grim?
One caveat. He asked Jinn, how do I destroy Salem.. I ..Maybe HE can't. But maybe someone else can. I think a better question would be, How can Salem be defeated. Not killed, not destroyed, but defeated.
So that's my 2 cents. Okay, my few thousand, but there you are.
Are you claiming you never make a mistake? Or that you do not trust anyone including yourself? Or do you trust people that lie by never admitting mistakes? I know that Ozpin's admission of mistakes is honest.
Thats a pretty wild take to me honestly.
Would I be hurt by Ozpin lying? Yes.
I would still choose to trust him though, and understand him.
The huntsman academies, I mean what the heck do you want from Ozpin?
What you are saying doesnt make sense? That they arent yet? Well thats why the academies exist?
They are huntsmen in training, they gotta learn to fight somehow.
That aside what are you proposing, Ozpin should do absolutely nothing, roll over and let Salem kill out humanity? I mean you gotta try to do something, doing nothing and giving up and dying isnt gonna do any good.
I cant understand your thinking?
Also on the Jinn question I feel like it would be kinda stupid if thats the route the writers were going for, and I think they know that, I’d be pissed if it was.
Sadly, the 4 girls were killed during the battle. It is not a spoiler. However they are never mentioned again. And to date as of the end of volume 8, is my personal opinion that they are dead.
Mankind grew to walk the world again. Literally. Evolution happened and mankind grew.
No, Salem didn’t create people again. Time and evolution did.
When the world of RWBY was made off of the worst break up ever in history
And marriage counseling had not been invented yet