1. OOPS! "The Local" train was mentioned in Gordon Runs Dry, I guess this makes it the second time it was mentioned! 2. Axle says "Bonjour" so there was actually 3 times a charcater spoke in their own language.
LOVE the comparison between the railway show's late reveal and Willy Wonka. Your suggestions on fixing the story structure at this part are great too. Would love to see more videos like this! Never heard of the cancelled Controller Lost at Sea movie before!
Thank you Nic! If your intrested to learn more about "Controller Lost At Sea", please check out the Vicarstown Tram Engines Wiki page. There's a link to the email where Ian McCue mentions it I think!
I like to think that Gordon’s line in Will You Won’t You made the Fat Controller think Gordon needed help with the express and foreshadowing Rebecca’s introduction.
Another really wierd thing is in the uk version of the movie Gordon says " Why would 'Sir Topham Hatt, want to take a little tank engine like you" but in the uk trailer he says "Why would 'The Fat controller' want to take a little tank engine like you" guessing the Sir Topham Hatt thing was a mistake that they were going to fix but didn't get to it. Also by the way "We still have a railway to run"
Reminds me of how in the UK dub of Hero of the Rails, both Spencer and the duke call him "the Fat Controller" to his face, as if the writers forgot they were allowed to call him "Sir Topham Hatt" in the UK dub.
@@fanofeverything30465 I don’t think he really minds it. He’s always called him the Fat Controller. Also I think you may have unintentionally referenced that stupid controversy about his name that went on in 2022 lol.
@@joshuaW5621 What's all that about? Was the fandom being hypocritical AGAIN!? (Excuse the full caps That's just for emtherse since TH-cam doesn't have a bold option)
I think we can see Ashima pulling Annie & Clarabelle is a referance how the new engines end up pulling Annie & Clareabelle. and it all started with Emily lol.
This movie had the excuse to potentially have Gordon, Spencer, Flying Scotsman, Mallard and Green Arrow in the same shot. But no, we made new characters cuz merchandise
Two things. 1. At the Bridge jump scene, Thomas is on the left track but when he lands he is on the right. 2. During the shunting contest, Thomas’ wheels and siderods don’t go the same speed as him.
9:29 they also use Percy’s US Voice for this song. However, that must be a goof, because they use his uk voice for be who you are and go far. I think they use Emily’s US Voice becuase her Uk voice actor isn’t good at singing in a Scottish accent. Charlie and Scruff also have thier us voices
I would love to see this as a series, and the thing I don't like about this movie is all the potential it had. Also I always saw Vinnie's bars as a dog's muzzle
They probably used Emily’s US Voice actor because it’s like the filler between the other two, because the blue one (I don’t know his name) has a lower voice and Percy has a high pitched voice, meaning they probably did it as a Major or Minor Chord (Chords using the 1st, 4th, and 7th note to make a amazing sound, find more on google or something I’m just a 8th grader that knows a bit about music theory)
*"The Great Race"* was in my opinion the last *TRUE* Thomas & Friends Movie before everything shit the bed in 2017 and 2018 with the stupid body movements in the "Journey Beyond Sodor" & "BWBA"
Wow, that's quite a lot of problems. Now I realize that the movie was meh. Thank you for making this video so far. You and The Unlucky Tug have given me an idea to rewrite the movie called Gordon & The Great Railway Show, like I posted on Twitter. What is your thoughts about my ideas?
GUYS i thibk thonas was put on top of henrys tunbek bc of the TWR model having tracks on top of it!!!!! Edit: Duribg th bridge jump thomas switches track
As an Indian thomas fan, I really liked the inclusion of Indian locomotives first time in the franchise!! The instrument used in "the six small wheels" is called Sitar in India and was used very well!! Also, I find my personal gribe with this movie. Rajiv, who won the decorated engine contest, is called as "fairy queen" in real life and has the guiness world record of the oldest working steam locomotive in the world . They could have perhaps showcased this. I also think featuring of broad gauge WP and WG locos of Indian Railways would have been much better competition to Henry. But still, I really enjoyed and laughed on the goofs of this movie😂❤
@@tudorbrancuturcu5996 I think it's because, like Thomas, it's a train show actually inspired by real life concepts and features all the consistency, charm and banter we love, considering it had some of the same writers for Thomas, it's no wonder it oddly fits into the universe from an aesthetic standpoint. Plus it's also because it's just that more fun to laugh at.
Although I admit that “the shooting star is coming through” musical Number kind of comes out of nowhere, I think it’s still my favorite part of the movie as in many ways it feels like Gordon’s strongest moment in the CGI series. He’s on the verge of having everything he wants: fame, admiration, and the respect all while showing up his famous brother. And then, as things start going wrong, he still keeps pushing himself as he’s so desperate to win this meaningless trophy just to show up his brother once in his life. Sadly, there’s no real payoff for beyond it being a cautionary tale of what could’ve happened to Thomas if he didn’t embrace who he was, but in a vacuum, the scene is very good.
I would personally like to think that if Signalmen weren't needed in this universe, Thomas would in fact be a good enough shunter to pull off those kinds of moves by flicking the points at just the right time. At this point in the series he's had like several decades of experience shunting trucks and coaches in the yards and keeping everything running ahead of schedule. The vast majority of the trains he shunts are ready and waiting for the engines to come pick up at a moments notice and sometimes he even has multiple of them ready or is halfway through a second when the first engine comes to pick up their cargo or passengers. He's efficient, really reliable, and right on time.
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I think Thomas's damage buffer beam is meant to be a reference to Thomas and the Great Railway Show where in the first story of that book Thomas damages his front while travelling to York.
Awdry having a subplot with Percival reminds me of an illustration in "Duck and The Diesel Engine" where Awdry can be seen pointing at duck in the background.
@@SillyDartPony I think that illustration in Duck and the Diesel Engine was that Awdry was pointing out to Dalby how a steam engine should look more closely. So much so it becomes the reason as to why the book Branch Line Engines exists to correct Thomas' running board, and also continue with the trend of dieselization in Daisy.
Controller Lost at Sea would've been an unintentional inverse of Misty Island Rescue where STH searches for Thomas and in this, Thomas would search for STH. Plus, Gordon's streamlining being based on the one on a PRR K4 design by Raymond Loewy does reference how the K4s (Hank's basis) were the main inspiration for Gordon and Flying Scotsman's class.
Nah, I don’t think Adam can stand up to Tug’s level, but he doesn’t have to. As they said in the movie, it’s okay to be yourself. Though I would say that Adam is like the Irish Unlucky Tug in a sense.
Here's a Fact/Error in real life Vinnie's basis is Canadian, but in the movie he's portrayed with an American Accent, and according to his info thing, is from North America, which is continent not a country, but with the US Flag.
Man I hate some of the US voices in the CGI series, especially the ones in the main cast. No offence to fans who live in America, but they just don’t sound right to me.
Never did I expect to hear Henry shouting to Thomas "That's my boy!" in any shape or form. Yet, it's a very Henry thing to do. Like calling Peter Sam "youngster". I must agree with you that this is a very wholesome line from Henry. Thomas and Henry have obviously become closer friends since Season 1 where Thomas just straight up calls him fat. That must be one of the funniest and most unexpected lines the show has come up with.
at 43:21 The diesel coupling chains were stretching from the cars Maybe the animators forgot to unattach it or just simply remove them. Also at 43:59 the henry flew through the bushes Maybe the animators accidently attached it to the gordon model (Or others) Kinda funny.
Personally, I think that if they wanted to do this specific story, they should have used DIESEL as the main character since, like Thomas, he tries to get to into the railway by trying to be something he's not! They could've given Thomas a role in the story by having him AND Diesel be the top candidates chosen, the two then COMPETE to be in the Railway show, only for neither engine to be chosen after the accident, with Sir Topham Hatt instead choosing Philip. Then later, when Gordon's safety valve needs replacing, Victor could approach Thomas to deliver it, only for him to suggest Diesel, seeing this as a chance for him to prove himself.
this has always annoyed me, everybody says that "thomas got fixed and went to the railway show" thomas wasnt fixed, his buffer beam was broken still, his paint was scratched and messed up, and he was the only engine at the time to go, despite not being fixed. its just annoyed how nobody picked up on this, thats all.
Uh, I think the Local was mentioned in Gordon Runs Dry. And with the film premiering before S20, I had a visual reference for the end of All in Vain. Come to think of it, all of the original 11 came from the mainland. How few were built on Sodor? I think Diesel ramming him may've been Philip's only interaction with other diesels before S21. Honestly, feels like Philip references that almost all the time. In fact, Italy was BWBA's only European country, where they'd even couple as such. I read a rewrite with Stepney in Emily's spot, and James confidently went not decorated believing his livery splendid enough as is. I have heard that Awdry's version of Thomas was never really about insecurity like model James. Shame they didn't utilize Hiro at the show. I thought something alikened Vinnie's bars to a football helmet. Speaking of Stephen, he led the parade with no foreshadowing. The rewrite I referenced had him train Henry for the strength event, which he actually won in the 3rd act. Its accompanying song Good Better Best is actually here on TH-cam. (Wonder how Murdoch would've fared...?) It also had Vinnie chase Philip down the race line, Gordon went after at boiler risk (Gordon even somewhat reacts to Vinnie before the narrator's last line), and Philip takes his spot for the actual race. Spencer was also swapped for the Emily and James reason. I highly recommend reading Chase and Don's Great Race rewrite on FFN. I saw Topham freeze too XD
Can we have one of these videos on Journey Beyond Sodor too? That was pretty much the last piece of Thomas media I would call ‘good’ (granted by that point I was barely watching any of the show because I was far too old, but I remember liking JBS and wouldn’t mind finding out about some stuff I missed back then).
You forgot to mention this in the goofs which is not prob a goof: When vinnie hits the electrical pile, it falls, but it is unknown how it didnt got on to vinnie and just fell onto the tracks.
I think it would’ve been funny if at some point during the film, someone says “all right I get it!” when someone mentions that they still have a railway to run for the 10th time
The Vicarstown tramway would've also been a cool nod to the one in real life that used to run around there, and the general Barrow area. From what I can tell, engines of the same, or a similar type to Flora _did_ work on it before they switched to electric, and then shut down. So it's not impossible for her to be one of them.
Great video! One more thing I would like to add: Vinnie technically doesn't exist - he is based on a Canadian National U-4-a, though only 5 of those locos were made (6400-6404) and he is numbered 6407. A #6407 did exist, but that was the U-4-b class which was owned by the Grand Truck Western. Not sure why they didn't number him 6400-6404.
While I find Vinnie to be okay, but what bugs me looking back is that they changed his nationality to just North American, but like Mexico is part of said continent and they also gave him a Bronx accent to match his persona. Would've made it interesting if they actually have two separate engines to represent each of their country of the same continent at the GRS. One from Canada (maybe a CP Royal Hudson) and the other from the US (like maybe Connor since he's based on a New York Central Hudson). Just a thought.
@@thesudriana016 I agree, I really hoped Vinnie would be representing Canada a lot more. And it would have been great to get a Royal Hudson! I think they’re a lot more popular than the U-4-a’s in terms of Canadian steam.
There was also animation error on czech DVD cover, where the engines at the Great race are not on tracks, but this problem is fixed on the english cover.
Something I don't see people mention is the possible connection between this movie and the 2016 Rio Olympics the same year. Both are competitions where participants from across the world gather in one city to compete in different categories. Also, Thomas' paint scheme involves the colors yellow, white, and green, which when combined with his blue, form the colors of the Brazilian flag. Just something I noticed.
I don’t really like the concept of the Great Race being a musical, because it feels to Disney for me. Not that Disney is bad at musicals, but Thomas and friends just doesn’t really fit that style in my opinion. I would’ve liked it if they were like one or two songs like “Full of surprises” and “You can only be you”
@@thatmanwithanose Come on, dude! It’s my opinion and I’m not changing it! It’s fine if you like concept of the Great Race being a musical. But if you can’t take a negative opinion, then may God have mercy on your pathetic soul! Regardless if you were a kid or not, you do need to respect others’ opinions! Hell, I like the “Three Steam Engines Gruff” episode, but I know most of the fandom doesn’t. But at least I don’t attack those who don’t like it. I just give my opinion. I hate it when toxic people in the fandom take opinions way too negatively!
@@pheonix__kit-kat897 That did not seem funny to me. I have autism, so it’s easy for me to be sensitive to what other people say. Please just show some respect for me. This is why some Fandoms can be toxic
What I love about this video is how it delves into all the work that can be glimpsed from the final product, hardly even needing behind the scenes info. Just pointing out the setups and payoffs or symbolism does so much to credit the effort the crew put in. I think that's especially nice to see for a movie that's not as appreciated by the fandom.
Could you do Journey Beyond Sodor next? PS, you missed an error in the scene where Topham says "we still have a railway to run." Right after, Henry whistles but is Edward's and he's not seen in the yard.
I agree with the idea of Gordon should have been the star of this movie. There are a few movies in this franchise that should have been about different characters other than Thomas. Examples: Great Race, Gordon; Journey Beyond Sodor, Henry; Royal Engine, Edward. Edit: This makes me wish we had three different movies starring the one of the three railway engines
Dear Mr ThomasTheorist , at 44:40, it shows Den, Dart, and Paxton on top of sandbags, which implies that cranky lifted them onto the sandbags. I am extremely disappointed. But in all seriousness, a very good video, and I would love to see more of these.
Gordon's different streamlining was actually based on the streamlined variant of the Pennsylvania railroad K4 class. Which is the same locomotive that Nigel greasly based the LNER A1 pacifics on, and we all know Gordon is an A1. Do with that information as you will.
A few things I've noticed/little head canons that I noticed as we went along jot down as we go along: When Philip first says that Ashima's nothing but trouble, the music kind of sounds like an excerpt of Toby's theme. "He's quaintand old fashioned but careful and wise." I like to think that Flying Scotsman at the beginning and the Sodor precession to The Great Railway Show were stopped at the bridge. A little extra build-up/foreshadowing for Thomas jumping the bridge instead of stopping for it. Also would've been somewhat cathartic for the previous bridge stops. Heh! I like to think that Henry was the only legitimate Sodor Contestant in The Great Railway Show. the best-dressed engine competition was looking a little light so James and Emily were slotted in as filler contestants and weren't actually eligible to win (Let's face it, James was robbed). Gordon was only allowed to enter the Great Race as means for testing his streamlined casing. Percy was in a similar position to James and Emily, being a filler contestant in the shunting competition. However, after Gordon burst his "boiler" (it looks like it was just his dome that burst), Percy was eligible to win, as a consolation
Back when this film came out, I confess I was excited for it. The idea of loads of trains coming together for a massive race sounded really fun, and I did enjoy the film. A major highlight was the first proper appearance of Flying Scotsman after the world was robbed of him in Series 3. They fact that he and Gordon were still brothers as per the books was also great.
Only now am I questioning why Phillip had to beg to go to the railway show when he’s the Knapford pilot? Objectively, Topham purchased him exclusively for shunting at the railway’s busiest terminal - so why isn’t Phillip Sodor’s entry in the shunting category? Phillip doesn’t even suggest that he should be entered as a shunter? Also the second film in a row where Thomas is shown to have some kind of pilot duties at Knapford, despite Phillip having arrived in between TGR and LOTLT.
@@joshuaW5621 yeah I just think if Topham bought Phillip especially for this job - then does Topham think Phillip is objectively a better shunter than any other engine? If Percy is the best then why not reassign him to return to piloting at the railway’s largest station? 😂 Between Stafford, Stanley, Charlie, and Phillip who shut almost exclusively every day - they must be better at that than Percy or Thomas who haven’t been pilots or shunters for years.
maybe awdry has the subplot with mr pecival becuase he worked at the tr and in thomas world works at the blue mountain quarry i hate that the skarloey railway isnt in the cgi series
14:14 I think a lot of it comes to play with the camera field of view like: if thomas is close to another vehicle (in this case bertie) or like the windmill shot it shows his speed with a wide field of view.
People have thought this could work with Gordon being the main character but I've also wondered if James could've worked as a main for this too since his whole thing is about wanting to be more special than he already is, heck this could've been a special about all three of Gordon James and Henry trying to deal with the issues they already have had (Gordon feeling second best to his family members Flying Scotsman and Spencer, James wanting to be even more splendid than before, and Henry coping with his mechanical flaws from before) and trying to overcome them. Rather than Percy backing out of the shunting competition due to being a wuss, maybe there could've been something where he got damaged severely by Vinnie's jerk behavior and Thomas having an actual reason to take part in the show. We still don't know who won The Strength Competition but I kinda feel like Vinnie might've been the most likely as he was ahead and didn't look like he was struggling compared to Frieda Shane and Henry. Everyone questions what Hiro would've been doing there since we saw Thomas almost crash into him but yeah it seems like they were trying to obscure his model and I think at the last minute they realized they didn't have a 5th member created for participating in the competition so figured to just use Hiro's model for an unknown character (can imagine it's a JNR D52) but didn't want to show the model so hid it as much as possible (heck his model's face was showing no emotion unlike the other engines). My guess in the order of who came in what place; 1st: Vinnie 2nd: Shane 3rd: Not-Hiro 4th: Frieda 5th: Henry Also something about the International's liveries: While Ashima's pink livery is meant todo with her being a girl and label her as being super attractive and Frieda being blue was to have a lol moment with Thomas confusing her for Gordon just because, with the other ten one half wear the liveries of their native countries (Axel Yong Bao Raul Ivan and Etienne) which has to do with showing the audience where they're from while the other half have liveries reflecting their basis' only (Vinnie Gina Carlos Shane though slightly a different green and Rajiv though with blue features instead of green) likely because they didn't think it was necessary to have all the engines need to show where they're from though didn't really know what to come up for them so just made them look more like their basis'. I wondered why they didn't show an African character for TGR before despite having North and South American European Asian and Oceanian engines but I think now because production on Nia was going on during 2016 her TTTE Wikia page says maybe they were waiting on showing a character from Africa for later after TGR (people were questioning why other French and Indian characters appeared despite having two of them already when there's other countries but while it's one thing having a French character (Etienne) despite Millie existing she wasn't created for this so that can be looked over but with Rajiv maybe they figured having another character from India due to Ashima being the main newbie. It seems like they could've and probably should've showed more of the International engines here besides Ashima and Vinnie but yeah maybe they were already planning ahead of time to do more with them around the world before the BWBA era (though we unfortunately got to only episodes set in India China Australia Brazil and Italy), would've been interesting to see more of Vinnie Frieda and Axel. I also think after The Great Railway Show was done Thomas got to talking to some of the Internationals as he was familiar with some in the BWBA era like Yong Bao Shane Raul Gina and presumably Ivan due to getting to shunt with him but didn't get a chance to meet Carlos or Rajiv since he wasn't that familiar with them afterwards, don't know with Axel or Etienne but as we know he had rather abrupt ways of meeting Vinnie and Frieda.
you forgot to mention that every signalman in this movie is literally the fastest thing alive, and i personally think that gordon knew the lyrics to streamlining because he heard thomas singing it when he was arriving in knapford, we do see that thomas passed him in his dream sequence and everyone outside the dream that saw him speeding was like "bro what is he doing"
i think you missed out one thing in ‘Will you won’t you’ because there is a scene where emily leaves knapford but her coaches are moving by themselves at 8:10
1. OOPS! "The Local" train was mentioned in Gordon Runs Dry, I guess this makes it the second time it was mentioned!
2. Axle says "Bonjour" so there was actually 3 times a charcater spoke in their own language.
At question 85 the should of used the flying kipper theme / Henry theme
Streamlined Gordon looked a lot like the strimlend k4
Where is the full version of your the great railway show song
I just went and rewached the great race, and now that I think of it, It dose seem like the movie forgot it was a musical
35:38 also counts as a mistake as this is where Gordon got the streamlining song from, Thomas flying by him in the fantasy
LOVE the comparison between the railway show's late reveal and Willy Wonka. Your suggestions on fixing the story structure at this part are great too. Would love to see more videos like this!
Never heard of the cancelled Controller Lost at Sea movie before!
Thank you Nic! If your intrested to learn more about "Controller Lost At Sea", please check out the Vicarstown Tram Engines Wiki page. There's a link to the email where Ian McCue mentions it I think!
Very interesting
Tug the lucky ?!?!?!
Ayy the unlucky tug
Hi unluckily tug I love your video 📹 💖 please mr tug you are make good videos
37:18 Henry shouting to Thomas That's My Boy is now my favorite thing about this movie definitively
I quite liked the line about him coming fifth out of a five engine contest.
@@joshslater2426that was hilarious
Umm it was sth
Man, Gordon sure is lucky that Mallard wasn’t at the Great Railway Show.
Even then, Spencer is an A4 too, so even if he can’t get to 126mph, he could still get over 110.
Or Duchess of Hamliton.
He cant go cuz his weels have been at the nrm
This was cool! I'd love to see you cover The Great Discovery or Blue Mountain Mystery in this format!
I like to think that Gordon’s line in Will You Won’t You made the Fat Controller think Gordon needed help with the express and foreshadowing Rebecca’s introduction.
Another really wierd thing is in the uk version of the movie Gordon says " Why would 'Sir Topham Hatt, want to take a little tank engine like you" but in the uk trailer he says "Why would 'The Fat controller' want to take a little tank engine like you" guessing the Sir Topham Hatt thing was a mistake that they were going to fix but didn't get to it. Also by the way "We still have a railway to run"
Since Sir Topham Hatt is his actual name this fortunately doesn’t really stick out to me.
Reminds me of how in the UK dub of Hero of the Rails, both Spencer and the duke call him "the Fat Controller" to his face, as if the writers forgot they were allowed to call him "Sir Topham Hatt" in the UK dub.
Maybe it's because he's standing there and it's considered dishonorable to call him fat to his face
@@fanofeverything30465 I don’t think he really minds it. He’s always called him the Fat Controller. Also I think you may have unintentionally referenced that stupid controversy about his name that went on in 2022 lol.
@@joshuaW5621 What's all that about? Was the fandom being hypocritical AGAIN!? (Excuse the full caps That's just for emtherse since TH-cam doesn't have a bold option)
I think we can see Ashima pulling Annie & Clarabelle is a referance how the new engines end up pulling Annie & Clareabelle. and it all started with Emily lol.
This movie had the excuse to potentially have Gordon, Spencer, Flying Scotsman, Mallard and Green Arrow in the same shot. But no, we made new characters cuz merchandise
This video was really good! I’d love to see something like this again for Journey Beyond Sodor or something!
As a train geek theater major I want to say one thing. This video made my day, I have never subscribed so fast.
Two things.
1. At the Bridge jump scene, Thomas is on the left track but when he lands he is on the right.
2. During the shunting contest, Thomas’ wheels and siderods don’t go the same speed as him.
Im a time traveler.
Teach me your ways.
I'm also a time traveler
9:29 they also use Percy’s US Voice for this song. However, that must be a goof, because they use his uk voice for be who you are and go far.
I think they use Emily’s US Voice becuase her Uk voice actor isn’t good at singing in a Scottish accent.
Charlie and Scruff also have thier us voices
I would love to see this as a series, and the thing I don't like about this movie is all the potential it had. Also I always saw Vinnie's bars as a dog's muzzle
They probably used Emily’s US Voice actor because it’s like the filler between the other two, because the blue one (I don’t know his name) has a lower voice and Percy has a high pitched voice, meaning they probably did it as a Major or Minor Chord (Chords using the 1st, 4th, and 7th note to make a amazing sound, find more on google or something I’m just a 8th grader that knows a bit about music theory)
@@bruh8783 The blue one is called Sydney.
You did forget that Steven was at the railway show but never shown going he was leading the best decorated engine parade
*"The Great Race"* was in my opinion the last *TRUE* Thomas & Friends Movie before everything shit the bed in 2017 and 2018 with the stupid body movements in the "Journey Beyond Sodor" & "BWBA"
The body movements technically go back further than JBS.
@@joshuaW5621 Yes but in Journey Beyond Sodor this has become annoying and hated
great video
23:58 she wasn’t pulling Annie and clarabel, so that means, 128 missed things
Where is the full version of your the great railway show song
yay!!!
Wait the great race is at briddlington (which is the goods yard in JBS) then why didn’t Thomas know where it is
“thats my boy”
43:49 but raul is travelling on tracks. can people not see them
Wow, that's quite a lot of problems. Now I realize that the movie was meh. Thank you for making this video so far. You and The Unlucky Tug have given me an idea to rewrite the movie called Gordon & The Great Railway Show, like I posted on Twitter. What is your thoughts about my ideas?
I think I retweeted it!
Gordon did Say that the Flying Scotsman was his Brother
Guys, i think they still have a railway to run, but i think that's just me
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GUYS i thibk thonas was put on top of henrys tunbek bc of the TWR model having tracks on top of it!!!!!
Edit: Duribg th bridge jump thomas switches track
wow 127 things
"The narrow gauge engines can't physically go to the railway show"
DON'T YOU DARE UNDERESTIMATE RAIL GAUGE CONVERSION CARTS
Would you expect a narrow gauge engine on a conversion wagon to travel about 100 miles from point to point on its own power?
Rusty can
He’s done it twice!
@@jalyntate7965 uhm mate do you not know what a rail gauge conversion cart is
You kid, but isn't that how Skarloey broke down?
38:43 it’s like a parent using you’re full name when you’re in trouble 😭
As an Indian thomas fan, I really liked the inclusion of Indian locomotives first time in the franchise!!
The instrument used in "the six small wheels" is called Sitar in India and was used very well!! Also, I find my personal gribe with this movie. Rajiv, who won the decorated engine contest, is called as "fairy queen" in real life and has the guiness world record of the oldest working steam locomotive in the world . They could have perhaps showcased this. I also think featuring of broad gauge WP and WG locos of Indian Railways would have been much better competition to Henry. But still, I really enjoyed and laughed on the goofs of this movie😂❤
Underground Ernie: "ERRRNIEEEEEEEEE!."
Thomas & Friends: "We still have a railway to run!."
We still have a RAIIILWAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to run
I love how the Underground ernie video got so much attention but the Chuggington video got no where near as much attention
@@tudorbrancuturcu5996 I think it's because, like Thomas, it's a train show actually inspired by real life concepts and features all the consistency, charm and banter we love, considering it had some of the same writers for Thomas, it's no wonder it oddly fits into the universe from an aesthetic standpoint.
Plus it's also because it's just that more fun to laugh at.
@@emersoninfinitystone5785 But it’s much uglier. I couldn’t sit through 1 minute of it!!
Yes
Although I admit that “the shooting star is coming through” musical Number kind of comes out of nowhere, I think it’s still my favorite part of the movie as in many ways it feels like Gordon’s strongest moment in the CGI series.
He’s on the verge of having everything he wants: fame, admiration, and the respect all while showing up his famous brother. And then, as things start going wrong, he still keeps pushing himself as he’s so desperate to win this meaningless trophy just to show up his brother once in his life.
Sadly, there’s no real payoff for beyond it being a cautionary tale of what could’ve happened to Thomas if he didn’t embrace who he was, but in a vacuum, the scene is very good.
If only Gordon got a redemption arc in this film showing his good hearted side
I wouldn’t be surprised if the big engines view the great railway show as a scam
@@cinnamonmantrainsareawesom7224Gordon should have been the main character
I would personally like to think that if Signalmen weren't needed in this universe, Thomas would in fact be a good enough shunter to pull off those kinds of moves by flicking the points at just the right time. At this point in the series he's had like several decades of experience shunting trucks and coaches in the yards and keeping everything running ahead of schedule.
The vast majority of the trains he shunts are ready and waiting for the engines to come pick up at a moments notice and sometimes he even has multiple of them ready or is halfway through a second when the first engine comes to pick up their cargo or passengers. He's efficient, really reliable, and right on time.
I don't know if anyone else noticed this, but I think Thomas's damage buffer beam is meant to be a reference to Thomas and the Great Railway Show where in the first story of that book Thomas damages his front while travelling to York.
44:00 Nahhh Henry’s just going back into the forest. Season 3 Reference !
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Awdry having a subplot with Percival reminds me of an illustration in "Duck and The Diesel Engine" where Awdry can be seen pointing at duck in the background.
With Dalby in tow too!
@@SillyDartPony I think that illustration in Duck and the Diesel Engine was that Awdry was pointing out to Dalby how a steam engine should look more closely. So much so it becomes the reason as to why the book Branch Line Engines exists to correct Thomas' running board, and also continue with the trend of dieselization in Daisy.
It's more like Awdry telling Dalby what Duck looks like, but I agree with the train part
I always liked the detail of the undercoat being visible with the paint scratches on Thomas
39:04 the fat controller looks so lifeless in this clip
true lol
He looks like a png image
Controller Lost at Sea would've been an unintentional inverse of Misty Island Rescue where STH searches for Thomas and in this, Thomas would search for STH.
Plus, Gordon's streamlining being based on the one on a PRR K4 design by Raymond Loewy does reference how the K4s (Hank's basis) were the main inspiration for Gordon and Flying Scotsman's class.
I love how Sir Topham Hatt basically has the Engine Equivalent of “your parent calling you by your full name”
I swear this guys the next unlucky tug
I Dont think they are more Adams working for this channel 😂😂😂😂
Nah, I don’t think Adam can stand up to Tug’s level, but he doesn’t have to. As they said in the movie, it’s okay to be yourself. Though I would say that Adam is like the Irish Unlucky Tug in a sense.
@@joshuaW5621 true
I’m half convinced Adam is better.
If The Unlucky Tug hadn't been able to come back The Thomas Theorist might have been the fandom's new Unlucky Tug
Here's a Fact/Error in real life Vinnie's basis is Canadian, but in the movie he's portrayed with an American Accent, and according to his info thing, is from North America, which is continent not a country, but with the US Flag.
Vinnie could’ve been a New York central locomotive since in one of the shorts Vinnie was in NY
@@Swag_K1RBY But he's very intentionally based on a CNR unit.
Percy and James also had their US voices in the UK dub at some points.
Man I hate some of the US voices in the CGI series, especially the ones in the main cast. No offence to fans who live in America, but they just don’t sound right to me.
Never did I expect to hear Henry shouting to Thomas "That's my boy!" in any shape or form. Yet, it's a very Henry thing to do. Like calling Peter Sam "youngster".
I must agree with you that this is a very wholesome line from Henry. Thomas and Henry have obviously become closer friends since Season 1 where Thomas just straight up calls him fat. That must be one of the funniest and most unexpected lines the show has come up with.
I was not expecting the word fat to be used in a silly little train show at all, when they did use it and the way Ringo said the line made me roll
@@wolfycakes136 In the UK dub they always use that word for The Fat Controller. Or stout, which is fat.
@@wolfycakes136In the US it wasn't
That's why Henry is my favourite character
38:47 kind of reminds me when i got into trouble and my parents would use my full name 😂
at 43:21 The diesel coupling chains were stretching from the cars
Maybe the animators forgot to unattach it or just simply remove them.
Also at 43:59 the henry flew through the bushes
Maybe the animators accidently attached it to the gordon model (Or others) Kinda funny.
Personally, I think that if they wanted to do this specific story, they should have used DIESEL as the main character since, like Thomas, he tries to get to into the railway by trying to be something he's not! They could've given Thomas a role in the story by having him AND Diesel be the top candidates chosen, the two then COMPETE to be in the Railway show, only for neither engine to be chosen after the accident, with Sir Topham Hatt instead choosing Philip. Then later, when Gordon's safety valve needs replacing, Victor could approach Thomas to deliver it, only for him to suggest Diesel, seeing this as a chance for him to prove himself.
this has always annoyed me, everybody says that "thomas got fixed and went to the railway show" thomas wasnt fixed, his buffer beam was broken still, his paint was scratched and messed up, and he was the only engine at the time to go, despite not being fixed. its just annoyed how nobody picked up on this, thats all.
1:01 that’s not true. It was first mentioned in Gordon Runs Dry. Gordon even explains that local trains stop at every station.
Uh, I think the Local was mentioned in Gordon Runs Dry.
And with the film premiering before S20, I had a visual reference for the end of All in Vain.
Come to think of it, all of the original 11 came from the mainland. How few were built on Sodor?
I think Diesel ramming him may've been Philip's only interaction with other diesels before S21.
Honestly, feels like Philip references that almost all the time.
In fact, Italy was BWBA's only European country, where they'd even couple as such.
I read a rewrite with Stepney in Emily's spot, and James confidently went not decorated believing his livery splendid enough as is.
I have heard that Awdry's version of Thomas was never really about insecurity like model James.
Shame they didn't utilize Hiro at the show.
I thought something alikened Vinnie's bars to a football helmet.
Speaking of Stephen, he led the parade with no foreshadowing. The rewrite I referenced had him train Henry for the strength event, which he actually won in the 3rd act. Its accompanying song Good Better Best is actually here on TH-cam. (Wonder how Murdoch would've fared...?)
It also had Vinnie chase Philip down the race line, Gordon went after at boiler risk (Gordon even somewhat reacts to Vinnie before the narrator's last line), and Philip takes his spot for the actual race. Spencer was also swapped for the Emily and James reason. I highly recommend reading Chase and Don's Great Race rewrite on FFN.
I saw Topham freeze too XD
I think it came out the same day as Sidney Sings in the UK.
Can we have one of these videos on Journey Beyond Sodor too? That was pretty much the last piece of Thomas media I would call ‘good’ (granted by that point I was barely watching any of the show because I was far too old, but I remember liking JBS and wouldn’t mind finding out about some stuff I missed back then).
You forgot to mention this in the goofs which is not prob a goof: When vinnie hits the electrical pile, it falls, but it is unknown how it didnt got on to vinnie and just fell onto the tracks.
I think it would’ve been funny if at some point during the film, someone says “all right I get it!” when someone mentions that they still have a railway to run for the 10th time
The Vicarstown tramway would've also been a cool nod to the one in real life that used to run around there, and the general Barrow area. From what I can tell, engines of the same, or a similar type to Flora _did_ work on it before they switched to electric, and then shut down. So it's not impossible for her to be one of them.
CGI Vicarstown is based on St. Pancras? No one tell Gordon that!
Great video! One more thing I would like to add:
Vinnie technically doesn't exist - he is based on a Canadian National U-4-a, though only 5 of those locos were made (6400-6404) and he is numbered 6407. A #6407 did exist, but that was the U-4-b class which was owned by the Grand Truck Western. Not sure why they didn't number him 6400-6404.
While I find Vinnie to be okay, but what bugs me looking back is that they changed his nationality to just North American, but like Mexico is part of said continent and they also gave him a Bronx accent to match his persona. Would've made it interesting if they actually have two separate engines to represent each of their country of the same continent at the GRS. One from Canada (maybe a CP Royal Hudson) and the other from the US (like maybe Connor since he's based on a New York Central Hudson). Just a thought.
@@thesudriana016 I agree, I really hoped Vinnie would be representing Canada a lot more. And it would have been great to get a Royal Hudson! I think they’re a lot more popular than the U-4-a’s in terms of Canadian steam.
Prehabs it's an in-joke like with Donald and Douglas
There was also animation error on czech DVD cover, where the engines at the Great race are not on tracks, but this problem is fixed on the english cover.
Loved how you incorporated the PBS funding screen of Thomas and Friends at the start of the video.
44:01 Henry literally clipped through the multiverse.
34:39 Smoke deflector: Hi fryda Frieda: MY NAME IS FRIEDA
It’s so weird that this video comes out (live rn) while I’m starting to get into The Great Race again
Something I don't see people mention is the possible connection between this movie and the 2016 Rio Olympics the same year. Both are competitions where participants from across the world gather in one city to compete in different categories. Also, Thomas' paint scheme involves the colors yellow, white, and green, which when combined with his blue, form the colors of the Brazilian flag. Just something I noticed.
13:48
HOW did they not derail from that!
I don’t really like the concept of the Great Race being a musical, because it feels to Disney for me. Not that Disney is bad at musicals, but Thomas and friends just doesn’t really fit that style in my opinion. I would’ve liked it if they were like one or two songs like “Full of surprises” and “You can only be you”
you just hate fun😤
@@thatmanwithanose Come on, dude! It’s my opinion and I’m not changing it! It’s fine if you like concept of the Great Race being a musical. But if you can’t take a negative opinion, then may God have mercy on your pathetic soul! Regardless if you were a kid or not, you do need to respect others’ opinions! Hell, I like the “Three Steam Engines Gruff” episode, but I know most of the fandom doesn’t. But at least I don’t attack those who don’t like it. I just give my opinion. I hate it when toxic people in the fandom take opinions way too negatively!
@@BlueCometEntertainment347mfs in this fandom will write paragraphs after an obvious joke
@@pheonix__kit-kat897 That did not seem funny to me. I have autism, so it’s easy for me to be sensitive to what other people say. Please just show some respect for me. This is why some Fandoms can be toxic
Fun fact: The flag on Freida is that of the Brabant Revolution of 1789-1790
I can never escape this movie can I, or should I say, this movie can never escape me
What I love about this video is how it delves into all the work that can be glimpsed from the final product, hardly even needing behind the scenes info. Just pointing out the setups and payoffs or symbolism does so much to credit the effort the crew put in. I think that's especially nice to see for a movie that's not as appreciated by the fandom.
43:41 you missed a goof on the bridge. Thomas jumps from the left track and lands on the right track.
I saw a fun piece of fanart on Tumblr of Spencer opening his smokebox. It looked like he was unhinging his jaw.
I always kinda thought it weird how Henry shouted “That’s my boy.” Especially since in my opinion he and Thomas don’t that much of a dynamic.
Could you do Journey Beyond Sodor next?
PS, you missed an error in the scene where Topham says "we still have a railway to run." Right after, Henry whistles but is Edward's and he's not seen in the yard.
People here while in premier
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I agree with the idea of Gordon should have been the star of this movie. There are a few movies in this franchise that should have been about different characters other than Thomas.
Examples: Great Race, Gordon; Journey Beyond Sodor, Henry;
Royal Engine, Edward.
Edit: This makes me wish we had three different movies starring the one of the three railway engines
Dear Mr ThomasTheorist , at 44:40, it shows Den, Dart, and Paxton on top of sandbags, which implies that cranky lifted them onto the sandbags. I am extremely disappointed. But in all seriousness, a very good video, and I would love to see more of these.
Gordon's different streamlining was actually based on the streamlined variant of the Pennsylvania railroad K4 class. Which is the same locomotive that Nigel greasly based the LNER A1 pacifics on, and we all know Gordon is an A1. Do with that information as you will.
A few things I've noticed/little head canons that I noticed as we went along jot down as we go along:
When Philip first says that Ashima's nothing but trouble, the music kind of sounds like an excerpt of Toby's theme. "He's quaintand old fashioned but careful and wise."
I like to think that Flying Scotsman at the beginning and the Sodor precession to The Great Railway Show were stopped at the bridge. A little extra build-up/foreshadowing for Thomas jumping the bridge instead of stopping for it. Also would've been somewhat cathartic for the previous bridge stops. Heh!
I like to think that Henry was the only legitimate Sodor Contestant in The Great Railway Show. the best-dressed engine competition was looking a little light so James and Emily were slotted in as filler contestants and weren't actually eligible to win (Let's face it, James was robbed). Gordon was only allowed to enter the Great Race as means for testing his streamlined casing. Percy was in a similar position to James and Emily, being a filler contestant in the shunting competition. However, after Gordon burst his "boiler" (it looks like it was just his dome that burst), Percy was eligible to win, as a consolation
Back when this film came out, I confess I was excited for it. The idea of loads of trains coming together for a massive race sounded really fun, and I did enjoy the film. A major highlight was the first proper appearance of Flying Scotsman after the world was robbed of him in Series 3. They fact that he and Gordon were still brothers as per the books was also great.
35:25 i really like the sound effect when he adjusts his smoke deflectors. It sounds like he just pulled out a sword and i love it
So Gordon's impatients is his, his driver and fireman's fault and his fault for not waiting
Only now am I questioning why Phillip had to beg to go to the railway show when he’s the Knapford pilot? Objectively, Topham purchased him exclusively for shunting at the railway’s busiest terminal - so why isn’t Phillip Sodor’s entry in the shunting category? Phillip doesn’t even suggest that he should be entered as a shunter? Also the second film in a row where Thomas is shown to have some kind of pilot duties at Knapford, despite Phillip having arrived in between TGR and LOTLT.
Tbf there are other shunters who work at Knapford. I’m sure they could have done the job while Phillip was away.
@@joshuaW5621 yeah I just think if Topham bought Phillip especially for this job - then does Topham think Phillip is objectively a better shunter than any other engine?
If Percy is the best then why not reassign him to return to piloting at the railway’s largest station? 😂
Between Stafford, Stanley, Charlie, and Phillip who shut almost exclusively every day - they must be better at that than Percy or Thomas who haven’t been pilots or shunters for years.
44:00 henry got a notification on the weather and thought "nope, im outa here" 😂
38:39 your not in trouble
38:47 your in trouble but only a little bit
38:43 your in deep shit bro
maybe awdry has the subplot with mr pecival becuase he worked at the tr and in thomas world works at the blue mountain quarry i hate that the skarloey railway isnt in the cgi series
Counterpoint- the SKR appeared in Season 18
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho oh ok i must have not seen it thanks for telling me
Wow. Lots of interesting facts on Great Race. I see this movie has change Thomas afterwards.
14:14 I think a lot of it comes to play with the camera field of view like: if thomas is close to another vehicle (in this case bertie) or like the windmill shot it shows his speed with a wide field of view.
People have thought this could work with Gordon being the main character but I've also wondered if James could've worked as a main for this too since his whole thing is about wanting to be more special than he already is, heck this could've been a special about all three of Gordon James and Henry trying to deal with the issues they already have had (Gordon feeling second best to his family members Flying Scotsman and Spencer, James wanting to be even more splendid than before, and Henry coping with his mechanical flaws from before) and trying to overcome them. Rather than Percy backing out of the shunting competition due to being a wuss, maybe there could've been something where he got damaged severely by Vinnie's jerk behavior and Thomas having an actual reason to take part in the show.
We still don't know who won The Strength Competition but I kinda feel like Vinnie might've been the most likely as he was ahead and didn't look like he was struggling compared to Frieda Shane and Henry. Everyone questions what Hiro would've been doing there since we saw Thomas almost crash into him but yeah it seems like they were trying to obscure his model and I think at the last minute they realized they didn't have a 5th member created for participating in the competition so figured to just use Hiro's model for an unknown character (can imagine it's a JNR D52) but didn't want to show the model so hid it as much as possible (heck his model's face was showing no emotion unlike the other engines). My guess in the order of who came in what place;
1st: Vinnie
2nd: Shane
3rd: Not-Hiro
4th: Frieda
5th: Henry
Also something about the International's liveries: While Ashima's pink livery is meant todo with her being a girl and label her as being super attractive and Frieda being blue was to have a lol moment with Thomas confusing her for Gordon just because, with the other ten one half wear the liveries of their native countries (Axel Yong Bao Raul Ivan and Etienne) which has to do with showing the audience where they're from while the other half have liveries reflecting their basis' only (Vinnie Gina Carlos Shane though slightly a different green and Rajiv though with blue features instead of green) likely because they didn't think it was necessary to have all the engines need to show where they're from though didn't really know what to come up for them so just made them look more like their basis'. I wondered why they didn't show an African character for TGR before despite having North and South American European Asian and Oceanian engines but I think now because production on Nia was going on during 2016 her TTTE Wikia page says maybe they were waiting on showing a character from Africa for later after TGR (people were questioning why other French and Indian characters appeared despite having two of them already when there's other countries but while it's one thing having a French character (Etienne) despite Millie existing she wasn't created for this so that can be looked over but with Rajiv maybe they figured having another character from India due to Ashima being the main newbie. It seems like they could've and probably should've showed more of the International engines here besides Ashima and Vinnie but yeah maybe they were already planning ahead of time to do more with them around the world before the BWBA era (though we unfortunately got to only episodes set in India China Australia Brazil and Italy), would've been interesting to see more of Vinnie Frieda and Axel. I also think after The Great Railway Show was done Thomas got to talking to some of the Internationals as he was familiar with some in the BWBA era like Yong Bao Shane Raul Gina and presumably Ivan due to getting to shunt with him but didn't get a chance to meet Carlos or Rajiv since he wasn't that familiar with them afterwards, don't know with Axel or Etienne but as we know he had rather abrupt ways of meeting Vinnie and Frieda.
3:58 so does that mean this movie takes place in 2016?
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The way sir topham scolds Thomas's full name, "thomas the tank engine," is just our parents scolding our name when they're angry
29:32 you know this was done in the following Thomas And Friends Special called “Journey Beyond Sodor”.
you forgot to mention that every signalman in this movie is literally the fastest thing alive, and i personally think that gordon knew the lyrics to streamlining because he heard thomas singing it when he was arriving in knapford, we do see that thomas passed him in his dream sequence and everyone outside the dream that saw him speeding was like "bro what is he doing"
I think Gordon and Flying Scotsman knowing each other may be a reference to the RWS version of Tender Engines.
i think you missed out one thing in ‘Will you won’t you’ because there is a scene where emily leaves knapford but her coaches are moving by themselves at 8:10
Amazing video keep up the good work and remember don't have a good day have a great day and you should release your own music