Would've completely mooted the impact of his cautionary tale though, which is what Awdry wrote the series for in the first place. (as a relatively well grounded [in reality] series of cautionary and inspiring tales for his son, and later on children the world over) Compared to characters in other classic tales for children, Number 2 / Smudger got off easy for his bad behaviour 😉.
@@joshuaW5621 Probably, like the Boxtanks that were on Sodor when Scaeloey arrived. That said No.2 / Smudger's fate is I think left an open ended mystery in book and TV series for a reason; that being to illustrate that many snippets of even recent history have aspects we just don't know about, because of lost record of them or no record being made at all.
@@TSR1989FF well I would love to be finally proven wrong after all these years. I would love to dive into this in the revival era, but I don’t wanna add too many characters, as Tom said at the end of the video.
Totally agree, I especially like Molly. They could have give her more role and add her to the Tidmouth shed if they really want to “balance” the character as they said.
I really wish Splatter and Dodge would come back. They're 2 of my favorite characters ever. It's such a shame they only appeared in the magic railroad.
I would've liked to see Fergus return in CGI. He does fit the profile for a 'new' character - he's tied to a specific location (the cement works), he has dynamics with characters like Bill and Ben, Diesel etc, he has a prominent catchphrase (Do it right), and he has a unique personality and attribute in the form of his flywheel. He could've easily worked in the Brenner era around S17-19, since those seasons had a lot of focus on the quarries and clay pits on Sodor.
I heard the reason he wasn't in S8-12 was because his wheel mechanism was broken from that one rock slide. But that shouldn't have had any effect on the CGI seasons tho.
One character I would have loved to have seen is Old Slow Coach. It’s such a shame the show never did anything with her outside of one short appearance after her debut episode. I feel like she could have been a very nurturing mother-type character for Thomas or Percy.
I will never get over the fact they mixed up "Paxman" with "Paxton" (assuming the story is true, of course), when the show also contains two completely separate characters named Oliver, and they even confront that topic at the end of "Legend of the Lost Treasure".
This story seems a bit fishy to me, not because of the whole Derek being mistaken for Paxton thing, but because we also saw Norman in the role. It would be weird having an 0-6-0 shunter and a Class 17 passing Gordon together like that.
I would have loved to seen characters like Boco, Duke, Splatter and Dodge, Arthur and Freddie appear in CGI as are some of my favorites. Although it is sad when I think about characters that weren't considered for CGI like Murdoch, Mighty Mac, Molly, Neville, Madge, and Flora there's also potential there. Either way great video Adam and keep up the good work.
I would have LOVED for Molly to reappear, perhaps taking Rebecca's role and being explained as absent by working on a branchline we never saw like the Kirk Ronan line. If she took the express in Gordon's place with no narration after he derails or bursts a valve in the yard and wouldn't be seen FULLY on screen until she stopped at Vicarstown, I would be very pleased! (dont take my idea as I'm incorperating it into my BWBA Rewrite)
cool idea, but i dont want her to replace rebecca, as i kind of like nia and rebecca as characters. Dont get me wrong, i *_HATE_* how they were written into the show replacing edward and henry, but as characters, i dont dislike them particularly
@@tnytmytx I do understand that some people like them I really liked Nia, not big on Rebecca though. She just exists for me, she's just an exciteable express engine for me. I completely appreciate people like her but I just prefer Molly
Forgot to say this the other day, *this* is whom I'd have loved to see return in CGI, Mighty Mac Considering how the show veered towards a 'Comedic Saturday morning cartoon' vibe, Mighty Mac wouldve fit in just perfectly. That and well, he(they?) were underused despite how unique the character was
Fun fact: Dennis was so lazy Sir Topham Hatt sent him out of the island. And he missed Sodor. So, he changed his identity and name, and got repainted and removed his number. He came back to sodor as Norman.
@@AlfredoMartinezLobatonI'm a month late of replying to this, but Dennis is the only diesel of his class, which would technically mean Norman and Dennis can't exist in the same universe.
I personally would’ve loved to see all of these characters back in the show. There are a lot of Thomas characters and they are hard to keep up with but I say the more the merrier! It’s sad that characters like BoCo first appeared in Season 2 and last appeared only 3 seasons later and in Season 4 all he got was a background cameo. A lot of characters in the show never got much time in the spotlight and never got to have fun interactions with some other characters and if characters like Derek came back in the show we could’ve gotten new merchandise of these characters that we thought we’d never get. I’m glad characters like Duck or Daisy got to appear again and be shown to a new generations but the fact that we could’ve gotten an episode with George and Bulgy or Duke and the Earl and got merchandise of them shows how many great episodes would’ve been released that we never got to see. I’ll always love the fan content, but there’s something different when it actually happens in the show, it makes you feel like the people who write the episodes actually care about these characters and they’re not completely forgotten and they’ll always appear again, and while All Engines Go did bring back Bulstrode and soon Toby and Saly the future for those characters is more uncertain than ever but you never know!
Neville. Several reasons: 1. He has CGI face (S12). 2. He’s my favorite character in the franchise, ever. 3. I would love to see an episode (preferrably Brenner or BWBA era) with the other Bulleid characters (Dennis/Norman, and Rebecca) 4. He was often overlooked, both in the franchise and in real life 5. He has so much potential for a unique character development 6. I would love to see him in The Great Race competing in the shunting competition and won respect and admiration from other engines. A true redeeming moment for him.
Seeing Dennis, Neville, Norman and Rebecca all interact with each other would have been brilliant! I mean, the thought of steam engines and diesel engines being related to each other is just nuts!
Apparently the reason why Duncan didn't make it into BMM was because his real life basis, Douglas, was under overhaul, so Nitrogen couldn't get measurements of the engine like they did with the other Talyllyn Railway engines. Oh well, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I wish they both returned and had strong roles and they would most likely still have Luke too and if they couldn’t return in BMM maybe in somewhere the Brenner era where they could return
Elizabeth's such a great pick, she was a highlight in every episode she appeared in. I could see her and Cleo having a fun teacher and student dynamic (Could've given Cleo some much needed character) and her bickering with the CGI iteration of Topham would've been gold. I would have loved to have seen Jinty and Pug show up back on Sodor for a bit. (Long shot ik 😂) Could have Jinty bring up the time Thomas rammed himself through a set of buffers trying to impress him then have Jinty get himself into a accident and finish it off with Thomas equalizing the playing field. The models wouldn't even be that hard to create just tweak Thomas and Percy's.
And since Brenda and Darcy were added to the Pack, this would be the perfect opportunity to bring back Isobella too. She’s the same class as Elizabeth.
I would have liked to see Stepney, Arthur, BoCo, Bear and the Culdee Fell Railway Engines return in the CGI Series. I bet that Fergus also was considered to return since Sam Wilkinson expressed interest in him being reintroduced to the CGI Series in a 2015 Interview. I would have also loved to see Molly and Neville return to the CGI serries during the Nitrogen Era (Series 13-16).
The biggest advantage of Bear in CGI would be Super Rescue as Henry's proper swan song before being allowed to stay at Vickerstown Edit: great minds think alike lol
Interesting video, but personally, I would’ve LOVED to see ALL of these classic characters return in full CGI just so they have more character development as well as voice actors for each of them. But that’s just me though.
It's a crime we did not get the ballast train from Small Railway Engines in either the model series or CGI, given that the Wooden Railway line clearly saw character potential in him more than Awdry himself did. Kidding aside, and an essay of a comment ahead, you did a great job on this video and it's the first time I've stumbled upon this channel. Thanks algorithm! Like many, if I had to pick an RWS character who would have made a great introduction in the TV series in either CGI or model, it would have been Bear. Super Rescue is a fantastic story that was missed out on, and I think if I had worked on the model series, I would have traded "Bowled Out" for it. Though I'd probably get sacked for not figuring out the budget of getting D7101's model built within series 4 since taking the work put into the diesel would instead go to D199. For a long time, I've pictured in my head how that episode would have looked/sounded in series 3, the horn sounds corresponding to Henry and Bear towards the end, and the triumphant music playing in that moment. Perhaps someday my ambitious mind will put into making a model adaptation of that to closely resemble the aesthetic of series 3 and 4, with fan-built Gauge One models. If it wasn't for an RWS-exclusive character and I was left to choose one who had only been in the classic model era, it would be Duke. He lucked out in both the RWS and TV series for being a highly memorable character despite his lack of utilization outside of a few episodes, my opinion holding up after first watching his episodes over twenty years as a kid, and recently rewatching them with a friend and his kid a few months ago. We get a grandfatherly character in an engine that reminded me very much of my own who you can tell that despite his sometimes gruff responses to younger engines, truly cares about them and they in return. In CGI, I could see them somewhat continuing that with some of the newer narrow gauge railway characters that have been introduced since then. As for thoughts on some other characters, as much as I would have loved seeing the Culdee Fell Railway engines in CGI, I don't have the imagination to think of how you'd make more than a few stories following the ones told in the original book, which I think is what both Awdrys ran into. It's a fairly-limited railway in terms of stories you could tell based on reality, and somehow almost as many if you had my imagination. Sure they'd be great for some more toys, given we had 3 of them made as ERTL models already, but I have a feeling they'd be criticized as wasted potential with their introduction. It is a shame that the franchise as we know it is officially dead. That's not a fate I expected this soon even if I was hardly a fan of the series in its CGI years. Still, there was enough entertainment there that I assumed it would last for a long time. Once AEG is over, then I think the last remnants of the franchise will be truly done from an official standpoint, while I could see the fandom lasting much longer, though in decreasing numbers. Then again, Tugs manages to grow in popularity among Thomas fans as the years go on despite being over for over 30 years. I'm more sorry that Thomas will likely not be a running show I'd be excited to watch with my future kids if I ever have them, and yet there are still so many stories to tell both from the books I'd love to read to them, and the series that ultimately shaped a majority of my appreciation for storytelling at such a young age. Edit: Forgot to add you just earned a subscriber out of me from just this one video, and now I'm checking out your other ones. Great work once again!
I'd say that it could have been traded out with "Special Attraction", as that honestly was the weakest of series 4 (especially with it being a haphazard hodgepodge of two episodes, with little in common). Plus, I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to get D199 made, as they could pull something similar to what went on with Boco and Daisy, by recolouring the model, adding the new number and constructing a new face (kind of similar to what happened with Bertram, now that I think about it). Then, they could focus most of their resources into creating D7101/Bear.
I find the Smudger idea hilarious because a long, LONG time ago, just before the CGI series actually started, I kept seeing all of these videos claiming he would return in Season 13. And being the stupid person I was back then, I believed them, and was so hyped. Of course, as time went on i realized they were all just clickbait and gave up. So to hear that at one time or another they actually put legitimate thought into bringing him back just reminds me of a simpler time.
'The Unlucky Tug' made a video on the map that suggests that Ryan and Daisy's line in further North than Arthurs. Also Ryan's line got built after Arthurs in that boat movie didn't it? So it would make sense for them to be different lines?
That’s just a fan made idea, we don’t really know where Arthur’s branchline is canonically (and on Sam Wilkinson’s 2014 map it was decided the Norramby branchline is Arthur’s)
Well it had to have been somewhere beforehand, and it wasn't Norramby. In fact, based on Calm Down Caitlin and Toad and the Whale, it looks like they didn't even go with the Norramby idea.
Thanks for sharing this interesting video highlighting some of the most iconic characters from the classic series that I would have loved to have seen featured in the CGI series Boco, Murdoch, Arthur, Molly, Fergus, Fearless Freddie, Elizabeth the vintage lorry, Stepney the Bluebell Engine and Duke of the Narrow Gauge Engines 👍❤️
I just got an interesting cgi interaction: bear growls when going to the mainland but Bradford the breakvan says no growling, bear apologizes and ofc, Samson tries to get him to stop talking like this to bear but it’s rule #89 apparently, again it’s sad tht this didn’t happen during the 2016 era
I would have loved it if Dennis,splatter and dodge,billy,Arthur,murdoch,Neville,Hank,Stepney,smudger,Bertram,proteus returned with along Derek,d261,mighty mac
I feel like Bear would have been the best to bring back, but also based on just how heavily the two were pushed in the concurrent Thomas Creator Collective: Bowler and S.C.Ruffey, who really wouldn't be too hard to work in. Mainly because the target audience of the show is semi-familiar with them because of the TCC. Now, I'm not saying everything from the series had a chance because of how batshit it got (looking at you Adventures!Diesel takeover), but Bowler and S.C.Ruffey just feel like an easy in. But aside from them, I feel like it's basically just Bear and *maybe* Fearless Freddie or Duke that would have actually worked.
If Dennis returned in CGI, there would be a episode with him and Daisy since she was once lazy and perhaps tries to talk sense into him, referring her past of being in his place before.
My choices are BoCo, Fearless Freddie, Mighty Mac, Stepney, Arthur, Murdoch, Hank and Duke By the way, there was a rumor that, before Thomas went full CGI, they were going to use Murdoch's model and turn him into Hiro. Boy, am I glad they didn't, considering that Hiro is Japanese, and Murdoch is British
I absolutely agree that a good amount of these characters should’ve returned in some way or another, but I absolutely think that a big part of the reason why the culdee fell engines and bear were definitely not going to make any appearances at all, is because (at least in my opinion, and based on a lot of factors on Mattel’s part, given their track record) mattel seems to have a weird stigma against using railway series characters, in the series, as they clearly don’t really seem to sell well(fandom members actually buying the railway series characters like culdee or other characters like that doesn’t really reflect Mattel’s bottom line) and, characters like the culdee fell engines, bear, heck, even big city engine is definitely not something that mattel would want to push, if at all. Now, Hugo! That’s a big hot ticket right there! Yes, before you say anything, i know that the flying Scotsman was in the series, but he’s more the exception than the rule.
Imagine a tiny ah' steam roller making a double decker buss swerve out of the way. I'd just imagine George sitting there like "Grr, get outta da way". It fits because George is just the kind of bloke to refuse to move for anyone even in an emergency.
What's especially annoying about Norman is that his predecessor Dennis was based on the Bulleid 11001, which was a single, unique prototype. There was only ever one of them in the entire world, and *that's* the engine they decide to make two of...
@@ciarangleeson2880 exactly, people are like “Dennis and Norman have the same basis when there was only one” when there are like 3 engines based on Dolgoch
11:40 another actor who could have voiced Freddie that I think would have been perfect was John Sparks the guy who did all the male voices in season 5 of Fireman Sam seeing as Sparks himself is Welsh
The whole Paxman/Derek thing has a lot more credence than you’re giving it credit for, not least as just a misunderstanding. The production notes never named him Derek, it was a merchandise-only thing supposedly to avoid upsetting the actual company and a famous figure. The plausibility of Paxman in CGI is there, at the very least the character continued into the S8 character pages for writers so maybe Miller intended to or maybe she made a typo. Simon A.C. Martin isn’t without some understanding ‘cuz as mentioned Derek is a merch name and if he heard it over a call the onomatopoeia is similar to Paxton. 14:49 worth noting too is that in a learning segment they said that Mr. Percival has jurisdiction over the Culdee Fell railway. So finally getting the Mountain Railway was definitely in the cards but never took off beyond a name. I also remember the ‘BoCo or Bear’ ultimatum as it was mentioned on SIF, so I can corroborate that.
For me, personally, I believe Arthur and Elizabeth 100% should've returned, with the later being a good example of a well written female character who, like Daisy, would make very dinamic stories.
Great video and I didn't know that Billy got replaced with Charlie and Splatter, Dodge and Dennis got replaced with Paxton, Sidney and Norman all because Hit Entertainment wanted to make more toys for those characters and Freddie, Arthur, Molly, Dennis, Neville, Boco, Stepney and Duke should've returned to the CGI series in my opinion.
The "We Need More Toys" thing is fascinating to me, because the overwhelming majority of the target audience would have LONG AGO aged out of Thomas, eliminating any chance they would have had toys of, or even memories of, the original character's apperances.
@@SuperTrainStationH Mattel bought HiT in 2012, they wouldn’t have had any say in the Billy and Charlie or Dennis and Norman or Splodge, Paxton and Sidney cases.
@@joshuaW5621 What I meant is, the rights holders have no money to lose on a toy sale of a character they aren't currently producing toys of, whether the character is "obsolete" or not in terms of currently being featured on the show at the time.
These characters weren’t even released in the final draft, but I would’ve loved to have seen the Vicarstown Tramway Engines make an appearance in the CGI series. You haven’t covered the Vicarstown Tramway Engines in a video yet, have you?
Really annoys me that the Duke idea was dropped since everything was in place. They had the railway, Peter Sam, Sir Handel, Norramby, all they needed was an adaptation of Sleeping Beauty to reintroduce Duke. It would've been even better if the explorers also found Smudger and he got an arc in which he learned to be more efficient. Or if they had re-introduced Bertram and given him an actual character. If not, seeing Stepney, Neville, Hank, Derek and Molly would've been a treat.
@@ciarangleeson2880 Yeah and that was a special thing they did for the 70th anniversary and it was of the first stories, remaking Sleeping Beauty would be kinda random
Uh no. They would ruin the entire aesthetic of the mainline being steam powered still as the 125’s were built way after steam was removed from BR. (I’m not including the railway series however).
I would've loved to see Mighty Mac return. They only got 1 leading role in the model series, and with their design, there would've been a lot more story potential.
4:44 weirdly enough, there was a Take Along pack in 2009 that included a muddy Thomas, muddy Rosie, muddy Billy and Elizabeth, such an odd little merchandise thing
That pack was based on the original version of the episode, though I don’t know if Elizabeth was planned cause I feel like we would have known about it by now if she was.
Another thing about Freddie, he apparently got a New Trackmaster version with the motorized wheels even though he wasn’t brought back for the CGI series which I find weird.
Sorta off topic but I think Emily had such wasted potential… she was technically part of the main cast because she lived in tidmoth sheds but damn outside of tidmoth we only saw her on rare occasions. Anyone else agree that she should have gotten more screen time?
Although the culdee fell railway never appeared in cgi they were mentioned in a learning segment talking about the difference between standard and narrow gauge
I have a theory to why Colin was meant to return in king of the railway. My theory is that after the Blue Mountain quarry opened, it became so successful that the wharf stopped getting used and eventually closed leading to the Earl purchasing Colin and moving him to Ulfstead Castle.
Why would the Wharf stop getting used because of a quarry opening? If anything, the quarry would provide extra work for the Wharf because you know, more cargo that needs to be shipped
I mean since they only show slate coming from the narrow-gauge engines nowadays. and they take the slate to Brendam Docks to be delivered around the globe@@Kukaak
Tbh if you name a character that didn’t return I want him/her back (I just feel like they should’ve brought back every single character that didn’t return)
Lady (even if only dream sequences, or perhaps, in CAE, I would have put a credit or post credit scene, where Thomas and Diesel 10 were heading to their yards in a cloudy evening day, when they hear a familiar whistle. It was Lady, she was puffing towards them, and the three engines stop. 10 remembers her and apologized for being rude to her and the other engines i the past and recently, to which she forgives, reminding him that he needs to do teamwork well with other engines, and love engines, no matter what, and help them. Afterwards, 10 leaves and thus leaving Thomas and Lady for a small ride, puffing together towards Tidmouth Sheds (or towards there). Her character had lot more potential, even if only during dream sequences, or when Thomas gets lost and found in The Great Discovery, maybe a dream sequence of Lady calming Thomas Down when he falls down the river and he is very shocked and scared; or another option when D-10 tells Lady cheerfully that Thomas has been found on track, to which Lady smiles, and at the end, meets with Thomas. OM Gosh ¿We can only dream right?
I would've loved to see BoCo, Splodge, the Culdee Fell Engines, Duke, Lady, Freddie, more Pack characters, Jeremy, Bulstrode, Caroline, George, Fergus, Hector, and that's about it.
The characters mentioned in this video I wish they brought back with my own reasons: Molly - Proves to Gordon she's just as useful as he is and gains Gordon's respect. And that little did she know Emily was secretly gaslighted by Gordon, which could explain why Emily laughed at her for taking empty coal cars in the first place. Dennis - Maybe a dynamic between him and Daisy since they had something in common? Dennis would be the one to use her for his own selfish needs while Daisy would follow suit, only for him to get in trouble with Sir Topham Hatt a third time in a row for her laziness with Dennis taking the blame and learning his lesson this time. And that he and Norman would pair up at least one or four episodes. Duke - Seeing how he would be at the Estate Railway at Ulfstead Castle. Arthur - Made friends with Belle, only for him to realize that Belle and him are brother and sister. And that he would bond with Henry and Duck in a few episodes we see him instead of nearly forgetting him until he was forgotten about after his two-episode arc in Season 7. BoCo - Mentors Philip with Edward. Bertram - Same reason as Duke, but would also be the engine for Toby to interact with alongside Duke, Glynn, Millie, and Stephen. Culdee - Obviously just adapt "Mountain Engines" and be dealt with it. Bear - Just adapt "Super Rescue" and give Bear an arc, I don't care. Freddie - Reveal that he was one of the missing engines from the Mid Sodor Railway. George - Spread lies about the railways across Sodor with Bulgy only for them to be put in their places when what they have said about all the railways were nothing but lies. Hank - With him being the best of the Season 12 one-offs, maybe he would show some American representation on Sodor along with the other American built engines on Sodor. Even ones you did not have the time to mention in this video like Mighty Mac and Murdoch should have made the comeback sooner than what meets the eye. And the same goes with the rest of the Pack since they can make a good story on making friends with Brenda and Darcy.
After hearing about Stepney's return I'm just gonna say this. Stepney should definitely be his RWS self. And his CGI model should definitely be just like his original TVS model and a bonus giving him realistic details from his real life counterpart. (And did anyone else know that the real life Stepney had a failed steam pipe like 9 years ago?)
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 yeah but what I'm saying is that he should have the same life and history of his real life counterpart. And speaking of Stepney who do you think could be the voice of him?.
@@joelcartagena953 I agree on the same life and history of the books and real life counterpart. As for voice for Stepney in CGI, it would have to be someone with a cockney accent to reflect his origins.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 I think Tim Windle or Keith Wickham. The latter voiced him in an audio reading of Thomas-saurus Rex. Edit: it’s spelled Tim Whitnall.
Iirc, Sam also said he wanted to bring back Fergus. Also here’s my theory, but I feel Elizabeth was likely originally intended for Splish, Splash, Splosh. Why? Well she’s in the take along pack for the episode, which also includes Billy. Who we know was cut from the episode Also iirc, Mighty Mac was considered for BMM as well
I wonder why she was cut. Or maybe she was just thrown in because she was sprayed with mud in that season 11 episode. Who really knows although if she was considered I’m surprised it wasn’t confirmed by now.
@@joshuaW5621 and I for 1 would love it if more characters from the RWS both human and engines were brought into CGI. With their unique looks and voices of their very own.
@@joshuaW5621 I mean she would return but doesn't have to be magical. I think her basis should be the GWR 101 Class tank engine because it looks very identical to Lady.
Growing up Thomas and Friends was the #1 show I would watch on a regular basis and have all the toys and I would have loved to see them bring Culdee in since they already brought in every railway from the railway series except the culdee fell
Fergus got dealt a seriously bad hand. The hecking prop broke for him causing him to not last past season 7 and thus doomed him to never return again. Honestly he’s my top pick
Regardless of so many characters in the show, you can never have too many returnee ones coming back because we'd like that to happen so hopefully you respected that. The more the merrier as people would say. Andrew Brenner and the team want to keep returning old characters to the show so deciding on which to return and not to return is not intended.
10:30 using more realistic railway lamp headcodes. Now that's something they should have done in the CGI series as well. Because that's how they do it in railways in real life.
@@joshuaW5621 yeah and speaking of which the NWR headlamps and tail lamps should have those little handles attached to them. In the RWS and early episodes of the TVS they had them but as the TVS went on they suddenly had the handles removed.
@@joelcartagena953 oh yes, definitely. As someone who knows a lot about how real railways, having more realistic elements incorporated into the show would make me very happy indeed.
@@joshuaW5621 and I would also love to see the engines using those white headcode discs as well. Because they did use them in the books. They could get some railway consultants to help out with that as well.
* Would like to correct one thing - 'Arry and Bert never had ladders. Splodge were made from their models in the TVS, and the Iron Twins' models also never had ladders originally.
If those returnee characters were to ever have voice actors, here are a few that I would've pictured: Tim Whitnall as Dennis (I imagine him having the same voice as Mr. Lazy from Mr. Men Show since Tim played the exact same character in said-show) Keith Wickham as George (with a cockney accent) Steven Kynman as Bear (Steve voices nearly every green character so why not? I imagine his UK voice for Porter would've suited better for him than the latter since he's an American engine so they should've had David Menkin voice him in both dubs as well.
Just remebered: there was a song from the BWBA era in which Stepney was mentioned alongside Duck and Oliver in a lyric about trucks. So Stepney technically did exist in the CGI era.
it would be Duke for me, that guy is so wasted in all formats. Wilbert never writes about him again (kind of obviously), Christopher references him but never gives him a story or even dialogue, the model series does pretty much the same after the events of book 25 are played out, he's just a background character briefly... there was so much potential for him adapting to life on the Skarloey railway but it's just never touched on sadly and then with his grace being a CGI character even more potential
Seeing Smudger again would've been wild. And hopefully would've given closure to my younger self's trauma of seeing him turned into a generator.
Would've completely mooted the impact of his cautionary tale though, which is what Awdry wrote the series for in the first place.
(as a relatively well grounded [in reality] series of cautionary and inspiring tales for his son, and later on children the world over)
Compared to characters in other classic tales for children, Number 2 / Smudger got off easy for his bad behaviour 😉.
I always assumed Smudger was scrapped similar to Stanley from the Railway Series.
@@joshuaW5621 Probably, like the Boxtanks that were on Sodor when Scaeloey arrived.
That said No.2 / Smudger's fate is I think left an open ended mystery in book and TV series for a reason; that being to illustrate that many snippets of even recent history have aspects we just don't know about, because of lost record of them or no record being made at all.
@@TSR1989FF well I would love to be finally proven wrong after all these years. I would love to dive into this in the revival era, but I don’t wanna add too many characters, as Tom said at the end of the video.
I can just picture an image of Smudger's backstory on him becoming a generator and then being sent to the works to be a Engine again
I would love to see Bulgy and George interact since they both hate railways. What a convo they’ll be
Yup
I WANT JINTY AND PUG TO RETURN especially about how they would interact with others
In my opinion Murdoch, Arthur, Molly, Neville, Freddie, and Madge, should have returned
I agree with you. Each one brings something different from the rest.
Totally agree, I especially like Molly. They could have give her more role and add her to the Tidmouth shed if they really want to “balance” the character as they said.
Murdoch and Neville where in a season 12 episode
I agree. I think Arthur should had returned when they brought the Fishing Village back in Series 15.
@@jeffyplushadventures9803 we’re talking CGI dude and that’s not CGI that’s models CGI
I really wish Splatter and Dodge would come back. They're 2 of my favorite characters ever. It's such a shame they only appeared in the magic railroad.
Yea ik its rlly sad
Yeah
Yeah splatter and dodge are my favourite characters too
me too
I would've liked to see Fergus return in CGI. He does fit the profile for a 'new' character - he's tied to a specific location (the cement works), he has dynamics with characters like Bill and Ben, Diesel etc, he has a prominent catchphrase (Do it right), and he has a unique personality and attribute in the form of his flywheel. He could've easily worked in the Brenner era around S17-19, since those seasons had a lot of focus on the quarries and clay pits on Sodor.
Ooh, Fergus actually would work pretty decently, forgot entirely about him lol.
I heard the reason he wasn't in S8-12 was because his wheel mechanism was broken from that one rock slide. But that shouldn't have had any effect on the CGI seasons tho.
ME! :D
The staff really did have a frustrating habit of replacing or writing out characters, but at least they had a good reason when it came to Fergus.
Or perhaps interact with other character to conflicted like Duck.
One character I would have loved to have seen is Old Slow Coach. It’s such a shame the show never did anything with her outside of one short appearance after her debut episode. I feel like she could have been a very nurturing mother-type character for Thomas or Percy.
Or Duck, Oliver, Toad, Donald, Douglas and Slip Coaches since she's on the Little Western.
Are used to have an arbour but he’s broken today in 2024 I really miss them asking for a new one for you does the seven-year-old boy
I will never get over the fact they mixed up "Paxman" with "Paxton" (assuming the story is true, of course), when the show also contains two completely separate characters named Oliver, and they even confront that topic at the end of "Legend of the Lost Treasure".
Not only that, but there is also two Berts, or even four if you count Bertie and Bertram.
Also, there are technically three Olivers, with the third being the green lorry that passes by Bertie in the RWS version of Thomas and Bertie.
And there have been two Stanleys.
This story seems a bit fishy to me, not because of the whole Derek being mistaken for Paxton thing, but because we also saw Norman in the role. It would be weird having an 0-6-0 shunter and a Class 17 passing Gordon together like that.
Which Oliver?
I would have loved to seen characters like Boco, Duke, Splatter and Dodge, Arthur and Freddie appear in CGI as are some of my favorites. Although it is sad when I think about characters that weren't considered for CGI like Murdoch, Mighty Mac, Molly, Neville, Madge, and Flora there's also potential there. Either way great video Adam and keep up the good work.
The thing about Arthur is, they were comparing Ryan’s red colour to Arthur’s, they weren’t saying he couldn’t be red because of Arthur
I would have LOVED for Molly to reappear, perhaps taking Rebecca's role and being explained as absent by working on a branchline we never saw like the Kirk Ronan line. If she took the express in Gordon's place with no narration after he derails or bursts a valve in the yard and wouldn't be seen FULLY on screen until she stopped at Vicarstown, I would be very pleased! (dont take my idea as I'm incorperating it into my BWBA Rewrite)
I’d love to see Molly and Rebecca being best friends.
cool idea, but i dont want her to replace rebecca, as i kind of like nia and rebecca as characters. Dont get me wrong, i *_HATE_* how they were written into the show replacing edward and henry, but as characters, i dont dislike them particularly
@@tnytmytx I do understand that some people like them
I really liked Nia, not big on Rebecca though.
She just exists for me, she's just an exciteable express engine for me. I completely appreciate people like her but I just prefer Molly
@@henryandoliverfan3115 Agree
Rebecca should have been a male character named Winston instead. Winston has a red, white and blue paintwork instead of red and yellow.
Forgot to say this the other day, *this* is whom I'd have loved to see return in CGI,
Mighty Mac
Considering how the show veered towards a 'Comedic Saturday morning cartoon' vibe, Mighty Mac wouldve fit in just perfectly. That and well, he(they?) were underused despite how unique the character was
Fergus too
Yes.
MightyMac is like CatDog but they’re a train.
Yes, they, not he, as they’re two separate characters despite being one engine, but yeah, I would’ve loved to see them return.
Fun fact: Dennis was so lazy Sir Topham Hatt sent him out of the island. And he missed Sodor. So, he changed his identity and name, and got repainted and removed his number. He came back to sodor as Norman.
That not true because Dennis and Norman are brothers
Dennis reverse into a ditch and and learn his lesson and he was useful
No that is complete facts
Cool don’t know if it’s true though
@@AlfredoMartinezLobatonI'm a month late of replying to this, but Dennis is the only diesel of his class, which would technically mean Norman and Dennis can't exist in the same universe.
I personally would’ve loved to see all of these characters back in the show. There are a lot of Thomas characters and they are hard to keep up with but I say the more the merrier! It’s sad that characters like BoCo first appeared in Season 2 and last appeared only 3 seasons later and in Season 4 all he got was a background cameo. A lot of characters in the show never got much time in the spotlight and never got to have fun interactions with some other characters and if characters like Derek came back in the show we could’ve gotten new merchandise of these characters that we thought we’d never get. I’m glad characters like Duck or Daisy got to appear again and be shown to a new generations but the fact that we could’ve gotten an episode with George and Bulgy or Duke and the Earl and got merchandise of them shows how many great episodes would’ve been released that we never got to see. I’ll always love the fan content, but there’s something different when it actually happens in the show, it makes you feel like the people who write the episodes actually care about these characters and they’re not completely forgotten and they’ll always appear again, and while All Engines Go did bring back Bulstrode and soon Toby and Saly the future for those characters is more uncertain than ever but you never know!
Neville.
Several reasons:
1. He has CGI face (S12).
2. He’s my favorite character in the franchise, ever.
3. I would love to see an episode (preferrably Brenner or BWBA era) with the other Bulleid characters (Dennis/Norman, and Rebecca)
4. He was often overlooked, both in the franchise and in real life
5. He has so much potential for a unique character development
6. I would love to see him in The Great Race competing in the shunting competition and won respect and admiration from other engines. A true redeeming moment for him.
I wish he returned
Seeing Dennis, Neville, Norman and Rebecca all interact with each other would have been brilliant! I mean, the thought of steam engines and diesel engines being related to each other is just nuts!
If Neville returned who would voice him?
@@rorymoore8982 Taron Egerton
Or the Test of Strength since his class of engine were so powerful.
If Hank returned in CGI, Andrew Brenner could have create a episode around him and Philip since their basis came from Pennsylvania.
Philip: Hank? Is that you? It’s me, Philip! We worked together in Harrisburg!
Hank: Dear God, not him!
Freddie was unfortunately dropped for BMM. He along with Duncan was dropped in BMM, but unlike Duncan he didn’t make it into the series.
Despite Culdee being omitted from the television show, he was mentioned by a parent in 10 Years Of Thomas during the intermissions.
Apparently the reason why Duncan didn't make it into BMM was because his real life basis, Douglas, was under overhaul, so Nitrogen couldn't get measurements of the engine like they did with the other Talyllyn Railway engines. Oh well, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
True, Freddie even had a voice actor, Bob Golding the guy that voices Stephen and Sidney
Thats why freddie got a trackmaster 2 version of him
I wish they both returned and had strong roles and they would most likely still have Luke too and if they couldn’t return in BMM maybe in somewhere the Brenner era where they could return
Elizabeth's such a great pick, she was a highlight in every episode she appeared in. I could see her and Cleo having a fun teacher and student dynamic (Could've given Cleo some much needed character) and her bickering with the CGI iteration of Topham would've been gold.
I would have loved to have seen Jinty and Pug show up back on Sodor for a bit. (Long shot ik 😂) Could have Jinty bring up the time Thomas rammed himself through a set of buffers trying to impress him then have Jinty get himself into a accident and finish it off with Thomas equalizing the playing field. The models wouldn't even be that hard to create just tweak Thomas and Percy's.
Yeah like trevor and elizabeth acting like cleo mom and dad
And since Brenda and Darcy were added to the Pack, this would be the perfect opportunity to bring back Isobella too. She’s the same class as Elizabeth.
I would like to see Cleo and Caroline interact with a grandmother and granddaughter dynamic.
19:00
Funnily enough, the bulstrode picture is *_literally_* just one the season 8 ruler pictures of him.
I would have liked to see Stepney, Arthur, BoCo, Bear and the Culdee Fell Railway Engines return in the CGI Series. I bet that Fergus also was considered to return since Sam Wilkinson expressed interest in him being reintroduced to the CGI Series in a 2015 Interview.
I would have also loved to see Molly and Neville return to the CGI serries during the Nitrogen Era (Series 13-16).
The biggest advantage of Bear in CGI would be Super Rescue as Henry's proper swan song before being allowed to stay at Vickerstown
Edit: great minds think alike lol
7:44
What’s funny is that, Arry and Bert’s models were reused for Splatter and Dodge from as far as I could know
Interesting video, but personally, I would’ve LOVED to see ALL of these classic characters return in full CGI just so they have more character development as well as voice actors for each of them. But that’s just me though.
If they kept going with CGI instead of rebooting Thomas, they would halve come back.
It's a crime we did not get the ballast train from Small Railway Engines in either the model series or CGI, given that the Wooden Railway line clearly saw character potential in him more than Awdry himself did.
Kidding aside, and an essay of a comment ahead, you did a great job on this video and it's the first time I've stumbled upon this channel. Thanks algorithm! Like many, if I had to pick an RWS character who would have made a great introduction in the TV series in either CGI or model, it would have been Bear. Super Rescue is a fantastic story that was missed out on, and I think if I had worked on the model series, I would have traded "Bowled Out" for it. Though I'd probably get sacked for not figuring out the budget of getting D7101's model built within series 4 since taking the work put into the diesel would instead go to D199. For a long time, I've pictured in my head how that episode would have looked/sounded in series 3, the horn sounds corresponding to Henry and Bear towards the end, and the triumphant music playing in that moment. Perhaps someday my ambitious mind will put into making a model adaptation of that to closely resemble the aesthetic of series 3 and 4, with fan-built Gauge One models.
If it wasn't for an RWS-exclusive character and I was left to choose one who had only been in the classic model era, it would be Duke. He lucked out in both the RWS and TV series for being a highly memorable character despite his lack of utilization outside of a few episodes, my opinion holding up after first watching his episodes over twenty years as a kid, and recently rewatching them with a friend and his kid a few months ago. We get a grandfatherly character in an engine that reminded me very much of my own who you can tell that despite his sometimes gruff responses to younger engines, truly cares about them and they in return. In CGI, I could see them somewhat continuing that with some of the newer narrow gauge railway characters that have been introduced since then.
As for thoughts on some other characters, as much as I would have loved seeing the Culdee Fell Railway engines in CGI, I don't have the imagination to think of how you'd make more than a few stories following the ones told in the original book, which I think is what both Awdrys ran into. It's a fairly-limited railway in terms of stories you could tell based on reality, and somehow almost as many if you had my imagination. Sure they'd be great for some more toys, given we had 3 of them made as ERTL models already, but I have a feeling they'd be criticized as wasted potential with their introduction.
It is a shame that the franchise as we know it is officially dead. That's not a fate I expected this soon even if I was hardly a fan of the series in its CGI years. Still, there was enough entertainment there that I assumed it would last for a long time. Once AEG is over, then I think the last remnants of the franchise will be truly done from an official standpoint, while I could see the fandom lasting much longer, though in decreasing numbers. Then again, Tugs manages to grow in popularity among Thomas fans as the years go on despite being over for over 30 years. I'm more sorry that Thomas will likely not be a running show I'd be excited to watch with my future kids if I ever have them, and yet there are still so many stories to tell both from the books I'd love to read to them, and the series that ultimately shaped a majority of my appreciation for storytelling at such a young age.
Edit: Forgot to add you just earned a subscriber out of me from just this one video, and now I'm checking out your other ones. Great work once again!
I'd say that it could have been traded out with "Special Attraction", as that honestly was the weakest of series 4 (especially with it being a haphazard hodgepodge of two episodes, with little in common).
Plus, I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to get D199 made, as they could pull something similar to what went on with Boco and Daisy, by recolouring the model, adding the new number and constructing a new face (kind of similar to what happened with Bertram, now that I think about it). Then, they could focus most of their resources into creating D7101/Bear.
If BoCo was to appear in the cgi series, they should totally make him similar to Hercules from Tugs.
@Bootlaces no offense but how would that idea work in any way possible
@@akintolashekoni4600 you asking about my idea? Cause if you are, why did you tag @Bootlaces?
I would have loved to see Molly return to CGI and maybe have an episode where she becomes a main character along with Rosie.
I’d love to see an episode with her and Rebecca.
@@joshuaW5621 That would have been nice to see and I think Henry should had slept with Arthur instead of Rosie.
I find the Smudger idea hilarious because a long, LONG time ago, just before the CGI series actually started, I kept seeing all of these videos claiming he would return in Season 13. And being the stupid person I was back then, I believed them, and was so hyped. Of course, as time went on i realized they were all just clickbait and gave up. So to hear that at one time or another they actually put legitimate thought into bringing him back just reminds me of a simpler time.
8:17 LADY, THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING HER!!! Seriously, NOBODY seems to remember her existence and it genuinely hurts!
Duke should've returned. He's one of my favorite narrow gauge characters
In my opinion I think Bear could have been back in CGI as well as Neville, Murdoch, the big city engine from the railway series and so on.
But wasn't Ryan and Daisy's branch the same as Arthur's branch? Geography wise, it's the same area!
Looks like Sam Wilkinson didn't like that idea... for whatever reason.
'The Unlucky Tug' made a video on the map that suggests that Ryan and Daisy's line in further North than Arthurs. Also Ryan's line got built after Arthurs in that boat movie didn't it? So it would make sense for them to be different lines?
The map seemed to have retconned it to be at Norramby
That’s just a fan made idea, we don’t really know where Arthur’s branchline is canonically (and on Sam Wilkinson’s 2014 map it was decided the Norramby branchline is Arthur’s)
Well it had to have been somewhere beforehand, and it wasn't Norramby. In fact, based on Calm Down Caitlin and Toad and the Whale, it looks like they didn't even go with the Norramby idea.
Thanks for sharing this interesting video highlighting some of the most iconic characters from the classic series that I would have loved to have seen featured in the CGI series Boco, Murdoch, Arthur, Molly, Fergus, Fearless Freddie, Elizabeth the vintage lorry, Stepney the Bluebell Engine and Duke of the Narrow Gauge Engines 👍❤️
I just got an interesting cgi interaction: bear growls when going to the mainland but Bradford the breakvan says no growling, bear apologizes and ofc, Samson tries to get him to stop talking like this to bear but it’s rule #89 apparently, again it’s sad tht this didn’t happen during the 2016 era
Also thank you for hearing my thoughts
I would have loved it if Dennis,splatter and dodge,billy,Arthur,murdoch,Neville,Hank,Stepney,smudger,Bertram,proteus returned with along Derek,d261,mighty mac
I really like T1E2H3’s Road Rebel episode where George and Bulgy have an interaction about the railway crossing
I feel like Bear would have been the best to bring back, but also based on just how heavily the two were pushed in the concurrent Thomas Creator Collective: Bowler and S.C.Ruffey, who really wouldn't be too hard to work in. Mainly because the target audience of the show is semi-familiar with them because of the TCC.
Now, I'm not saying everything from the series had a chance because of how batshit it got (looking at you Adventures!Diesel takeover), but Bowler and S.C.Ruffey just feel like an easy in.
But aside from them, I feel like it's basically just Bear and *maybe* Fearless Freddie or Duke that would have actually worked.
Of all the characters you’ve mentioned, the ones I wanted to see return the most are Duke, BoCo, Arthur, Dennis, Stepney, Derek, Freddie and George.
In that (probably) season 12 image, fearless Freddie is visible. 11:25
If the Culdee Fell Railway appeared in the television series, Mr Percival would be controller of that railway
If Dennis returned in CGI, there would be a episode with him and Daisy since she was once lazy and perhaps tries to talk sense into him, referring her past of being in his place before.
My choices are BoCo, Fearless Freddie, Mighty Mac, Stepney, Arthur, Murdoch, Hank and Duke
By the way, there was a rumor that, before Thomas went full CGI, they were going to use Murdoch's model and turn him into Hiro. Boy, am I glad they didn't, considering that Hiro is Japanese, and Murdoch is British
I knew a lot of people want a few characters to return in the franchise but that's something a couple of fan-services have this done.
I absolutely agree that a good amount of these characters should’ve returned in some way or another, but I absolutely think that a big part of the reason why the culdee fell engines and bear were definitely not going to make any appearances at all, is because (at least in my opinion, and based on a lot of factors on Mattel’s part, given their track record) mattel seems to have a weird stigma against using railway series characters, in the series, as they clearly don’t really seem to sell well(fandom members actually buying the railway series characters like culdee or other characters like that doesn’t really reflect Mattel’s bottom line) and, characters like the culdee fell engines, bear, heck, even big city engine is definitely not something that mattel would want to push, if at all. Now, Hugo! That’s a big hot ticket right there!
Yes, before you say anything, i know that the flying Scotsman was in the series, but he’s more the exception than the rule.
Imagine a tiny ah' steam roller making a double decker buss swerve out of the way.
I'd just imagine George sitting there like "Grr, get outta da way".
It fits because George is just the kind of bloke to refuse to move for anyone even in an emergency.
What's especially annoying about Norman is that his predecessor Dennis was based on the Bulleid 11001, which was a single, unique prototype. There was only ever one of them in the entire world, and *that's* the engine they decide to make two of...
Nobody seems to be bothered by the fact that Skarloey and Rheneas share the same dilemma with Talyllyn and Dolgoch.
@@ciarangleeson2880 exactly, people are like “Dennis and Norman have the same basis when there was only one” when there are like 3 engines based on Dolgoch
It happens. I kinda see it as a similar case with the Ivatt diesels 10000 and 10001.
Maybe Dennis disguised himself because he felt ashamed of being lazy
@@fanofeverything30465 I imagine something similar to Henry’s story, prototype plans stolen from a workshop
12:45 he would have been perfect to voice Patrick especially because that Northern Irish accent that he has just sounds awesome
Ardal O’Hanlon as Patrick would have been great craic! Heck, maybe Pauline McLynn could be cast as Isobella!
Or John Schwab would be a perfect voice for patrick
@@rorymoore8982 Or Robin Atkin Downes in his Sir Finnegan voice from Sofia the First.
Just remember kids, these characters were created for marketing purposes!!!
I wonder how smudger's return would be like
It’s disappointing that duke and smudger never became cgi. It would of been the narrow gauge reunion.
Maybe a movie idk
they shouldve put floorboards in cgi series
11:40 another actor who could have voiced Freddie that I think would have been perfect was John Sparks the guy who did all the male voices in season 5 of Fireman Sam seeing as Sparks himself is Welsh
I’m pretty sure they officially said that Norman is Dennis’s twin brother.
The whole Paxman/Derek thing has a lot more credence than you’re giving it credit for, not least as just a misunderstanding. The production notes never named him Derek, it was a merchandise-only thing supposedly to avoid upsetting the actual company and a famous figure. The plausibility of Paxman in CGI is there, at the very least the character continued into the S8 character pages for writers so maybe Miller intended to or maybe she made a typo. Simon A.C. Martin isn’t without some understanding ‘cuz as mentioned Derek is a merch name and if he heard it over a call the onomatopoeia is similar to Paxton.
14:49 worth noting too is that in a learning segment they said that Mr. Percival has jurisdiction over the Culdee Fell railway. So finally getting the Mountain Railway was definitely in the cards but never took off beyond a name. I also remember the ‘BoCo or Bear’ ultimatum as it was mentioned on SIF, so I can corroborate that.
Imagine being called to act in an episode of Thomas, only to be cast as the fucking cement truck.
For me, personally, I believe Arthur and Elizabeth 100% should've returned, with the later being a good example of a well written female character who, like Daisy, would make very dinamic stories.
Great video and I didn't know that Billy got replaced with Charlie and Splatter, Dodge and Dennis got replaced with Paxton, Sidney and Norman all because Hit Entertainment wanted to make more toys for those characters and Freddie, Arthur, Molly, Dennis, Neville, Boco, Stepney and Duke should've returned to the CGI series in my opinion.
Well, Hit should worry less about toys and more focusing on returning old characters properly as well as giving new faces more stories.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 A common HiT L
Also Kevin the Steamie’s narrow gauge engines were just a placeholder, that shot was from Hero of the Rails
The "We Need More Toys" thing is fascinating to me, because the overwhelming majority of the target audience would have LONG AGO aged out of Thomas, eliminating any chance they would have had toys of, or even memories of, the original character's apperances.
Not always. There’s always a chance that some kids from 2011 would still be familiar with the model series and might have seen Splodge and Dennis.
@@joshuaW5621 Yeah, but what money does Mattel stand to lose in that case?
@@SuperTrainStationH Mattel bought HiT in 2012, they wouldn’t have had any say in the Billy and Charlie or Dennis and Norman or Splodge, Paxton and Sidney cases.
@@joshuaW5621 What I meant is, the rights holders have no money to lose on a toy sale of a character they aren't currently producing toys of, whether the character is "obsolete" or not in terms of currently being featured on the show at the time.
@@SuperTrainStationH okay, but why did you mention Mattel in that case? That kinda confused me a little.
I love the cgi model of Duncan
I would've enjoyed seeing Billy and Charlie as this could lead to some interesting sibling plot.
Oh and also with the Culdee Fell there’s the sequence talking about the railways saying Mr Percival ran the Culdee Fell
These characters weren’t even released in the final draft, but I would’ve loved to have seen the Vicarstown Tramway Engines make an appearance in the CGI series.
You haven’t covered the Vicarstown Tramway Engines in a video yet, have you?
5:08, Billy just got a massive uplift.
Really annoys me that the Duke idea was dropped since everything was in place. They had the railway, Peter Sam, Sir Handel, Norramby, all they needed was an adaptation of Sleeping Beauty to reintroduce Duke. It would've been even better if the explorers also found Smudger and he got an arc in which he learned to be more efficient. Or if they had re-introduced Bertram and given him an actual character.
If not, seeing Stepney, Neville, Hank, Derek and Molly would've been a treat.
Why would they adapt Sleeping Beauty for a second time?
You never know. They did retell “The Three Railway Engines” and “Thomas The Tank Engine”.
@@ciarangleeson2880 Yeah and that was a special thing they did for the 70th anniversary and it was of the first stories, remaking Sleeping Beauty would be kinda random
Still it would develop two characters we didn't see a lot
Like duke appears only in like 5 or 4 episodes while smudger appears in one
One of my aims in life is to have every character return in full CGI, but when I can work on Thomas & Friends. They will return!
I would like to do that as well.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 that would be awesome! And I'll even be adapting every RWS story, annual story and magazine story also.
I’m planning to as well.
It also says Fergus was considered to return in CGI. The TTTE Wikia doesn’t say anything on Smudger and Bertram being considered for returning though.
2:58 Smudger and Bertram look like they have the same faces.
That’s because they do have the same faces
My underrated pick would be Pip and Emma, I could imagine them in the Hugo episodes or interacting with Gordon and Spencer.
Uh no. They would ruin the entire aesthetic of the mainline being steam powered still as the 125’s were built way after steam was removed from BR. (I’m not including the railway series however).
@@nikerailfanningttm9046 what about having them as visiting engines?
To further the point of Patrick returning to CGI I’m pretty sure his wooden railway toy was rereleased in 2013
It's a shame some of these didn't appear although it is fascinating to see who was dropped
17:25 Funny enough, Hank did use Spencer's chassis in series 12
I would've loved to see Mighty Mac return. They only got 1 leading role in the model series, and with their design, there would've been a lot more story potential.
4:44 weirdly enough, there was a Take Along pack in 2009 that included a muddy Thomas, muddy Rosie, muddy Billy and Elizabeth, such an odd little merchandise thing
That pack was based on the original version of the episode, though I don’t know if Elizabeth was planned cause I feel like we would have known about it by now if she was.
BoCo does deserves to appear more in the series in the CGI to have more stories around him. Pity they didn't get a chance now.
Yeah he’s the only character introduced in series 2 that didn’t appear in the cgi series
When we bring him back in the revival era, I have a great idea for an episode with BoCo.
Another thing about Freddie, he apparently got a New Trackmaster version with the motorized wheels even though he wasn’t brought back for the CGI series which I find weird.
Sorta off topic but I think Emily had such wasted potential… she was technically part of the main cast because she lived in tidmoth sheds but damn outside of tidmoth we only saw her on rare occasions. Anyone else agree that she should have gotten more screen time?
Kelly was the voice of reason in the pack, and he should have come back
Although the culdee fell railway never appeared in cgi they were mentioned in a learning segment talking about the difference between standard and narrow gauge
I have a theory to why Colin was meant to return in king of the railway.
My theory is that after the Blue Mountain quarry opened, it became so successful that the wharf stopped getting used and eventually closed leading to the Earl purchasing Colin and moving him to Ulfstead Castle.
Why would the Wharf stop getting used because of a quarry opening? If anything, the quarry would provide extra work for the Wharf because you know, more cargo that needs to be shipped
I mean since they only show slate coming from the narrow-gauge engines nowadays.
and they take the slate to Brendam Docks to be delivered around the globe@@Kukaak
I would have liked to have seen Jock and Frank from the Small Railway.
I must admit one name that has been forgotten is Ivo Hugh from Christopher Awdry's - New Little Engine or was he painted Gray and renamed to Freddie?
Freddie is a little different to Ivo Hugh. He’s longer and has more wheels and a different cab.
Tbh if you name a character that didn’t return I want him/her back (I just feel like they should’ve brought back every single character that didn’t return)
Or they should’ve just brought back all the model series characters when the show swapped to full CGI.
Lady (even if only dream sequences, or perhaps, in CAE, I would have put a credit or post credit scene, where Thomas and Diesel 10 were heading to their yards in a cloudy evening day, when they hear a familiar whistle.
It was Lady, she was puffing towards them, and the three engines stop.
10 remembers her and apologized for being rude to her and the other engines i the past and recently, to which she forgives, reminding him that he needs to do teamwork well with other engines, and love engines, no matter what, and help them. Afterwards, 10 leaves and thus leaving Thomas and Lady for a small ride, puffing together towards Tidmouth Sheds (or towards there).
Her character had lot more potential, even if only during dream sequences, or when Thomas gets lost and found in The Great Discovery, maybe a dream sequence of Lady calming Thomas Down when he falls down the river and he is very shocked and scared; or another option when D-10 tells Lady cheerfully that Thomas has been found on track, to which Lady smiles, and at the end, meets with Thomas.
OM Gosh ¿We can only dream right?
I would've loved to see BoCo, Splodge, the Culdee Fell Engines, Duke, Lady, Freddie, more Pack characters, Jeremy, Bulstrode, Caroline, George, Fergus, Hector, and that's about it.
Would have been gold if had they brought back Elizabeth during the Brenner era.
Who would voice Elizabeth?
@@rorymoore8982 Oberman probably.
@@berkshireerielocomotive3322 Tracy-Ann Oberman who voiced Daisy?
@@rorymoore8982 Yes.
@@berkshireerielocomotive3322 or maybe Maggie Ollerenshaw she voiced Henrietta
I wish they included Pip and Emma as they represent the modern railway.
I agree that it's good to mix the old and the with railways.
The characters mentioned in this video I wish they brought back with my own reasons:
Molly - Proves to Gordon she's just as useful as he is and gains Gordon's respect. And that little did she know Emily was secretly gaslighted by Gordon, which could explain why Emily laughed at her for taking empty coal cars in the first place.
Dennis - Maybe a dynamic between him and Daisy since they had something in common? Dennis would be the one to use her for his own selfish needs while Daisy would follow suit, only for him to get in trouble with Sir Topham Hatt a third time in a row for her laziness with Dennis taking the blame and learning his lesson this time. And that he and Norman would pair up at least one or four episodes.
Duke - Seeing how he would be at the Estate Railway at Ulfstead Castle.
Arthur - Made friends with Belle, only for him to realize that Belle and him are brother and sister. And that he would bond with Henry and Duck in a few episodes we see him instead of nearly forgetting him until he was forgotten about after his two-episode arc in Season 7.
BoCo - Mentors Philip with Edward.
Bertram - Same reason as Duke, but would also be the engine for Toby to interact with alongside Duke, Glynn, Millie, and Stephen.
Culdee - Obviously just adapt "Mountain Engines" and be dealt with it.
Bear - Just adapt "Super Rescue" and give Bear an arc, I don't care.
Freddie - Reveal that he was one of the missing engines from the Mid Sodor Railway.
George - Spread lies about the railways across Sodor with Bulgy only for them to be put in their places when what they have said about all the railways were nothing but lies.
Hank - With him being the best of the Season 12 one-offs, maybe he would show some American representation on Sodor along with the other American built engines on Sodor.
Even ones you did not have the time to mention in this video like Mighty Mac and Murdoch should have made the comeback sooner than what meets the eye. And the same goes with the rest of the Pack since they can make a good story on making friends with Brenda and Darcy.
After hearing about Stepney's return I'm just gonna say this. Stepney should definitely be his RWS self. And his CGI model should definitely be just like his original TVS model and a bonus giving him realistic details from his real life counterpart. (And did anyone else know that the real life Stepney had a failed steam pipe like 9 years ago?)
Stepney's character is the same in the TV series.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 yeah but what I'm saying is that he should have the same life and history of his real life counterpart.
And speaking of Stepney who do you think could be the voice of him?.
@@joelcartagena953 I agree on the same life and history of the books and real life counterpart. As for voice for Stepney in CGI, it would have to be someone with a cockney accent to reflect his origins.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 I think Tim Windle or Keith Wickham. The latter voiced him in an audio reading of Thomas-saurus Rex.
Edit: it’s spelled Tim Whitnall.
@@joshuaW5621 Mmm. Good choices.
My favorite Irish TH-camr.
Iirc, Sam also said he wanted to bring back Fergus.
Also here’s my theory, but I feel Elizabeth was likely originally intended for Splish, Splash, Splosh. Why? Well she’s in the take along pack for the episode, which also includes Billy. Who we know was cut from the episode
Also iirc, Mighty Mac was considered for BMM as well
I wonder why she was cut. Or maybe she was just thrown in because she was sprayed with mud in that season 11 episode. Who really knows although if she was considered I’m surprised it wasn’t confirmed by now.
@@joshuaW5621 tbf, we didn’t know duke’s second consideration till late last year, so there’s the possibility there’s still more we haven’t heard yet
10:00 Thomas: No, you're not; I know that's you, Skarloey!
bc Keith Wickham voices Skarloey, Sir Handel, etc.
It would've been nice to see these characters again in CGI 😞
Don’t worry, perhaps I’ll work towards bringing them back in the revival era someday.
@@joshuaW5621 and I for 1 would love it if more characters from the RWS both human and engines were brought into CGI.
With their unique looks and voices of their very own.
@Countess Marya Zaleksa Fan nah. I like Lady but she doesn’t need to return.
@@joshuaW5621 yes she does
@@joshuaW5621 I mean she would return but doesn't have to be magical. I think her basis should be the GWR 101 Class tank engine because it looks very identical to Lady.
Growing up Thomas and Friends was the #1 show I would watch on a regular basis and have all the toys and I would have loved to see them bring Culdee in since they already brought in every railway from the railway series except the culdee fell
I think Duke would’ve been nice, would’ve been some great growth to the ulfstead gang
And perhaps still goes on the Skarloey Railway from time to time.
Who would voice duke?
@@rorymoore8982 Trevor Davis suggested Rob Rackstraw using his Bradford voice.
Or maybe Tim Whitnall
Fergus got dealt a seriously bad hand. The hecking prop broke for him causing him to not last past season 7 and thus doomed him to never return again. Honestly he’s my top pick
Personally, I would LOVE to see Duke again. Also Bear would‘ve been a good returny
That would’ve been strange if Bear ‘returned,’ considering he never appeared in the model series.
Regardless of so many characters in the show, you can never have too many returnee ones coming back because we'd like that to happen so hopefully you respected that. The more the merrier as people would say. Andrew Brenner and the team want to keep returning old characters to the show so deciding on which to return and not to return is not intended.
10:30 using more realistic railway lamp headcodes.
Now that's something they should have done in the CGI series as well.
Because that's how they do it in railways in real life.
I love this idea.
@@joshuaW5621 yeah and speaking of which the NWR headlamps and tail lamps should have those little handles attached to them. In the RWS and early episodes of the TVS they had them but as the TVS went on they suddenly had the handles removed.
@@joelcartagena953 oh yes, definitely. As someone who knows a lot about how real railways, having more realistic elements incorporated into the show would make me very happy indeed.
@@joshuaW5621 and I would also love to see the engines using those white headcode discs as well. Because they did use them in the books. They could get some railway consultants to help out with that as well.
@@joelcartagena953 Or Sam.
* Would like to correct one thing - 'Arry and Bert never had ladders. Splodge were made from their models in the TVS, and the Iron Twins' models also never had ladders originally.
If those returnee characters were to ever have voice actors, here are a few that I would've pictured:
Tim Whitnall as Dennis (I imagine him having the same voice as Mr. Lazy from Mr. Men Show since Tim played the exact same character in said-show)
Keith Wickham as George (with a cockney accent)
Steven Kynman as Bear (Steve voices nearly every green character so why not? I imagine his UK voice for Porter would've suited better for him than the latter since he's an American engine so they should've had David Menkin voice him in both dubs as well.
Rob Rackstraw's Mr Bentley voice would suit BoCo. Tim Whitnall as Dennis sounds like a good fan voice choice.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 also if Duke returned, George Harris who played Kingsley Shacklebolt from Harry Potter would voice him
@@mariobabbo3497 Hmm, I suppose he'd be perfect. Is he still alive?
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 he’s still alive
@@mariobabbo3497 Perfect. Thanks.
Just remebered: there was a song from the BWBA era in which Stepney was mentioned alongside Duck and Oliver in a lyric about trucks. So Stepney technically did exist in the CGI era.
Wasn't that just Little Engines
It was.
That’s from season 21.
it would be Duke for me, that guy is so wasted in all formats. Wilbert never writes about him again (kind of obviously), Christopher references him but never gives him a story or even dialogue, the model series does pretty much the same after the events of book 25 are played out, he's just a background character briefly... there was so much potential for him adapting to life on the Skarloey railway but it's just never touched on sadly and then with his grace being a CGI character even more potential