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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2024
- Hovering the wrist, or keeping it in contact with the mousepad are both commonly used styles, but one is far superior to the other for aiming performance. In this video we take a look at the best wrist placement technique and potential mistakes to avoid.
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Kovaak's is the GOAT. I was going to comment about how I struggle with "placing" my wrist on the mat and "pushing" my wrist into the mat and then you just go ahead and elaborate. Thanks for the great Aim training, and the great videos!
Hey just wanna say this channel helped me improved my aim immensely. These videos (especially the mouse grips one) come together very well, coming from someone who had no prior knowledge on how to properly grip and how wrist postions etc affect aim. I chanced upon this channel and decided to hop into a deathmatch right after a couple of videos and I could already feel the difference having proper guidance on mouse grips and wrist postions. Thanks for making these informative videos 💯
1:38 amazing, i ve never though that. Your explanation is perfect
I've been looking it for these past days lol. Very nice guide
another great video, Kovaaks!
Omg finally! I have been looking for this for years!!
This is so helpful cause I had a habit of this from when my hands weren’t even able to fit around the mouse
Your content is amazing. Downloaded your ami trainer today. Finger aim is fire. Fits me best. But I do use my wrist and arm as well. Good stuff bro. And I’ve never played an fps with mnk. Gotta be light on it. Very low resistanc
I'm happy kovaaks are giving some YT guides!
It would be cool if it was somehow implemented into your game for tutorials and such! Would help beginners get into it a lot quicker i feel like!
Thanks for the suggestion, that would be really cool.
You can still turn to Christ if you havent God bless
@@caleb.9 You can also keep your religion to yourself.
I love these videos so much. THANK YOU!
I appreciate these videos, they help a lot!
Thank you!
u know what's funny tho, when doing pencil art you are recommended to keep ur arm away from the page to avoid smudging. My first few weeks of learning to control the pencil without leaning on the page was uh... rough
I've found that having my palm on the desk where it's level where my arm is resting really hurts the wrist after long sessions of both gaming and work. I get the best of both by using one of those wrist weights like a mini sandbag that I can rest my wrist on and raise it up to mimic the hovering position. This gives me the control I need for the grip that doesn't kill my wrist.
To counter your statement that we don't hover our arms when we write, we also don't anchor our wrists to the paper when painting with a brush.
My friend, I'm suffering from tendinitis in my right shoulder precisely because I use that mouse grip they call "claw", and I'm only now realizing how much it's been affecting my musculature. Thank you friend, you saved me in a way that I don't even know how to thank you!
Claw grip has nothing to do with you just have bad posture or bad hand position. When you Claw grip you mainly use wrist while hand rests on forearm, so you are not moving shoulder that much. Only with palm grim like shown in video where you put hand flat on surface causes you to use whole arm but even that shouldn't cause tendinitis if you keep right posture and don't stress any part of your arm.
Yet another banger from kovaaks! You guys have been killing it lately with the videos!
For the people wondering about inconsistency because of moisture/sweat; don't bother with sleeves, invest in a small desk usb fan, have it pointing to the center of your mousepad (where your hand usually is) and turn it on if it's hot and you'll start sweating.
Happy grinding my friends!
Just because you said it I'm gonna try it, but I cant imagine it being able to control sweat and moisture consistently
Can second the fan suggestion, it works great. Coupled with frequent hand/wrist washing, skin friction can stay low even on humid days.
WHEN I TRIED SLEEVE I CAN SEE HOW LOWER FRICTION CAN HELP BUT NOT FEELING MY MOUSEPAD GAVE ME LESS SENSORY (?) INFORMATION (I MEAN WITHOUT SLEEVE IS USE MY HAND SKIN TOUCHING MOUSEPAD AS A SENSOR HELPING ME POSITION THE MOUSE). I WISH I COULD JUST HAVE FRICTIONLESS SILKE-LIKE SKIN AND AN ABILITY TO FEEL THE MOUSEPAD AT THE SAME TIME. SO I PLAY WITHOUT SLEEVE COZ I AM MORE PRECISE WITHOUT IT
@@-GRXNDSCOPER- bro. capslock
@@WisdomPowerCourage I use a USB fan for my kb hand. It works for me perfectly.
Tbh I would love to see a higher fov video showing your body position more and how you position yourself relative to the desk whilst doing the techniques/ positions, making it easier to understand and recreate yourself.
This! I've been struggling to find a comfortable way to play, how to sit, height of chair and desk relative to height of person. If your chair should have arm supports, or if you should even use them. Distance of left and right arm from each other. Stuff like that, I'm a recent mnk switch so this is all new to me, and I find aiming to strain my wrist and arm pretty bad after a short time lol
@@fortheloveofallthingsholy2706 yep its a very annoying process. Ive been playing for a while now but any change to my setup or a bit of time off and its a real pain to find a comfy spot again.
Id say a basic rule of thumb would be:
Chair at the lowest height that its easy to stand up from, without straining hips ect or extra downward force on say armrests or something else.
Desk is the hard one since your arm positions could be totally different to someone else in terms of personal comfort, but generally you want the desk tops around level or a bit higher than your belly button/naval.
Then for actual arm positions and the finer adjustments all i can offer is trial and error since i struggle with this too. Supposidly a good thing to do if you are newer is to get everything to a good starting height and then put your mouse and keyboard in odd positions on the desk (prob not with pad at this point to allow more freedom a d less subconscious bias). Then just play a game and you will shift the mouse and keyboard into positions you find comfortable without thinking about it. Whether or not you could say these positions you find comfy are optimal or not is a different matter though.
Tldr,
Adjust everything around your desk and if your chair is too high at that point dind something to use as a footstool like a thick pillow, folded towel or buy a footrest off amazon. Its is much more unlikely that the desk will be too low but if that is the case you can buy desk raisers which are just small stands essentially for the legs of the desk.
If you are new id heavily advise putting a decent amount of time into finding a good base with healthy comfy ergonomics, its much easier to then build your mechanics up from that point. If you build your aim on poor ergonomics its much harder to relearn/ remove bad habits later.
An apt metaphor would be building a house on firm bedrock vs building on marshland. The house may be identical but the overall structure and sustainability is vastly different.
Hope any of that is useful to you. Good luck with your journey of tedious trial and error.
Definitely agree with this, I already know my whole setup is wrong but when I get the chance to improve it I'd like to know how to make it the best I can for myself instead of just winging it
@@fortheloveofallthingsholy2706check my reply
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omg thank you so much I was trying to fix my tense arm for years & i never realised I did this..
I spent years making the mistake, because it gives a false sense of softness and control that you really don't have, this video will help many people, really nice :)
Thank you, my first time playing keyboard and mouse from being a controller player. Was finding it difficult to figure out the best way to use the mouse, Will give this a go 👍
Don't listen to do it is very dumb, you can't have it all. If you claw grip it is impossible to hold your wrist on desk for example but it gives you more precision because you mostly use your wrist but if you don't hover it at all and plam grim it you get more smooth movement because you use your whole arm. I'm kind of hybrid for example and that suits me.
Only important thing is that no matter what you do don't put weight on wrist and push against it because you can damage your hand. So always keep your hand relaxed by putting leverage on forearm, as long you do that you are free to do whatever feels comfortable for you.
Awesome just what i need it!😊
I used to hover my arm and didn't realise it , so I used to rely on my fingers to control my mouse which caused pain in my fingers. Thank you so much !!
Yesterday,i saw M0nesy using a grip i used and i went back to it,made some changes to stabilize the aim and it was pretty good with long range recoils and one shot tapping
But i guess i would still use the normal wrist technique
I always placed the wrist on the pad but for very precise tracking like thin gauntlet I actually got better scores with a slight hover. If I touch the pad too hard, it introduces more jitter
See M0nesy, Zywoo,Twistz,(kinda really weird to use,might cause harm),EliGe grips they are good
I tried hovering just to see what it was about. I was cracked! Idk what’s real anymore
@@Wulfcross so i have a habit of not incorporating the region of the elbow onto the table or pad and just having the wrist and a bit of region above on the mousepad,it improved my aim stableness and tracking a lot but yesterday I tried to cancel the wrist contact and just have my hand on the mouse and everything else on air,the consistency i got on low sens on it was just amazing
@@Wulfcross I know, right? But to be honest it is scenario specific for me. The video mentioned AIR as an example, which needs more stability and less precision. For the more touchpoints on the pads could be better.
@@akhilrawat3897 my setup is based using arm chair to stabilise my elbow and to use less space on the pad. But I believe it is more or less the same principle.
I'm still struggling to get arm aiming right, even after al your guides. They've taught me so much but now I think it's just up to me to experiment, since everything I've tried so far has been unsuccessful
A quick and dirty way to learn arm aiming is to play on a very low sensitivity for a little while. You don't need to stick to it by any means, but it will force you to use your arm and get accustomed to those movements.
Having your chair and table (if adjustable) correctly adjusted to your body is important too so you sit properly and don't strain things simply cause of an incorrect sitting position.
Here are two videos from a professional on how to sit properly:
- th-cam.com/video/Du0VU0hOvlQ/w-d-xo.html
- th-cam.com/video/Tse6AWnVgpY/w-d-xo.html
@mo no easier said then done genius
@Overlord i mean the reason humans have come so far is that we scaffold off each others knowledge and experiences. He could just waste a whole lot of time and end up back at this point thru trial and error anyway
maybe you are just bad at aiming? i don't see anyone having hard aim problems besides you, if you have problems at cookin or trying to fire a gun there's a problem with your nerves or probably sonethin else like yor back listen and look at your body how the arm do naturally grab or do things then u can adjust that to your pc if u even struggle doing that something is bad maybe not getting enough sleep , that's all i can say to you.
My technique for aiming for the past 4ish years is, use a stand-up desk and use a mixture of wrist and elbow aiming with an optimized mouse and mouse mat setup. I am only held back by skill and practice. I don't sit down when I use my PC so a lot of the muscles in my body aren't left to idleness.
Lmaooo stand up desk 🤣🤣🤣 you can aim perfectly while sitting down, gaming chairs can be extremely comfortable too. Everything about standing while gaming is goofy, unnecessary and useless. Sit down dude, you really convinced urself that you aim better like this. But thats some bs i never heard before. You wanna relax, chill and focus on gaming not having to have that pressure and bodyweight ob your feet.
@@younggunna4089 bro's out here thinking he is aiming with his toe
Finally a relevant video about this. Great job dude! Do have any suggestions/test about having the full forearm (even elbow) in contact with desk or just half ??
Thx
Thanks! These two short videos go into that - th-cam.com/video/CbdCWD5OcKo/w-d-xo.html + th-cam.com/video/RyhzcJTqxs4/w-d-xo.html
you can infact hover and have good stability if you pivot from your forearm or elbow instead of shoulder/wrist. for that the sitting position shown in the video would be too high though and also sens should not have much more than 30cm/360. Reason to do this is to have fast and consistant movement without relying on crutches like mouseaccel.
Eu testei os dois modos, e o modo que o Pulso não entra em contato com o Mousepad e o cotovelo fica para fora, a mira fica bem mais rápida, porém vc tem que "segurar" o antebraço com o ombro, não deixando ele largado na mesa
Love these types of videos!
Also, you sound just like the guy from Optimum Tech... the same person?!?! lol
Idk but I compared both hovering and not hovering, I saw my aim become shaky when I had my wrist in contact. But had good aim with hovering
Many CSGO pro's like stewie2k & twistzz are hovering their wrist to move there mouse better. But okay, its a game where you can relie mostly on crosshair placement and not that much of tracking.
Tenz has 1/4 of his forearm up with his new grip let alone his wrist
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I also hover my wrist i cant make my wrist touch the desk i dont why !!
I can only assume it helps them move/flick faster and smoothly, since a long time with the wrist on a surface can make it kinda stick to it, you are also dragging it on a surface that will resist your movements (similar to the laws of physics) vs mid air where there's little resistance.
If they have the muscle memory to have it mid-air, that's great in my opinion.
I like being able to rest my arm on something that is pretty stable, but what usually ends up happening as a result is that my arm experiences a lot of friction. I've tried stuff like moving my chair up, and even down, but my arm always experiences friction. The best I've been able to do is get a nice, smooth pad for my mouse, and to use my a specific part of my forearm on which my arm can pivot. This mostly works out. The most notable down fall is that my range of motion for my mouse cursor is limited. I can only turn so far, and end up having to lift up my mouse and replace it on the pad to reset the range of motion so that I may continue turning in a certain direction.
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Most people that hover do it out of necessity. If you sweat while gaming, the mousepad absorbs it and creates an inconsistent surface when you game. Hovering gives you the same experience every time you play; sweat is eliminated as a variable. Your anchor points shift to your mouse and forearm
exactly
Bro I'm the sweatiest gamer... my hands actually drip flat out.... I just got a Cordura mouse pad.. the cooler master p511-XL It is waterproof and my sweat just beads on it.. No more playing in a soggy mess. It actually works. I also use some PC fans connected to a cheap fan speed controller and a 12 volt wall wart to stop my hands getting crazy wet as well.. th-cam.com/video/f1k7JJddEi4/w-d-xo.html
@@intelbreak You should try out Vaxee's matte coated mice. The surface texture is the grippiest I've ever tried. Perfect for sweaty gamers
@@blank-jo1xp will do! cheers!
sorry to ask this but i wanna know you said hovering of the wrist is a wrong thing and the reasons you stated are true and right. but until i was doing kovaak i reached a grandmaster score on a specefic scenario named VT Smoothbot Advanced and have been using that hovering grip for a long time and reached gm on it so i just wanted to know should i change my grip , will it improve my aim more if i do that or should i stick to the one i have been using?
Thanks for this video.
Desde el tiempo que llevo jugando valorant, esta información me sirvió para experimentar. En cierta parte es beneficioso tener la muñeca arriba solo cuando inicias un Flick grande, pero no es tan exagerado como en el del vídeo, solo es ligeramente hacia arriba, de lo contrario comenzarás a experimentar un dolor en la muñeca
Amazing thankyou I finally can go pro in subway surfers love the content keep it up
I do the very thing you said people shouldnt, i lif my writs up and use a finger tip grip so the mouse does not touch the inside of my palm as i hate it, i want my mouse as free moving as possible when playing and my aim is above average id say
Like no way this helped me more than everything.
Você não faz noção do quanto vc me ajudou, obrigado
Twistzz and Zywoo both have the wrist gap and are one of the best aimers in CSGO. I think finding a position that is right for you is more important tbh.
u guys should make a video “how strong should i hold my mouse”
actually, it depends on the game. for the games like CS or Valorant it may help to put the wrist on the pad, but for games like Warzone, Apex with a lot of tracking hovering would be more beneficial.
omg thank you
Can you make a video about the shoulder and the chair and desk?
I play fingertip grip and I have to lift my wrist in order not to get my hand stuck with the mousepad due to sweat. Arm sleeve adds too much friction. I couldnt find an alternative
How do i get that kovaaks colour pallette? It looks really good
As long as your arm is on the desk you will have friction and it can and will effect your aiming, tracking and flicking I keep my arm off the desk just my wrist is on the desk no friction smooth aiming, tracking and flicking.
Mouse sensitivity 14 Warzone and when I'm felling snappy I can handle mouse sensitivity 20.
Best comment in the section. U helped simplify the answer I was looking for
@@blair3821 Glad I can help can you feel the difference from your arm on the desk to just your wrist on the desk.
I have a question. Do pros wrest their palm on the mouse pad? Do most people do this? because I’ve been lifting my palm the whole time. I’ve been looking at many videos about body positioning, mouse grips, and in game settings trying to find as many ways as possible to improve my aim. I’ve been practicing for a while and seemed to have hit a ceiling. Can’t believe I over looked something so simple yet helpful. This improved my aim a lot. Thank you! And God Bless!
From my knowledge most FPS pros do use this technique to increase their control, although of course some people just develop their own style that works for them. Anyone who aims with their whole or most of their arm should see some improvement over leaving the wrist raised.
@@coolbrotherf127 hmm. I see. thanks.
it's just preference tbh because there's no godly technique and this video is right but other than that youll develop your own style and just stick with what your comfortable with
I'm not a pro, but I use a wrist weight like a mini sandbag that I can rest my wrist on. It keeps my wrist raised like I was hovering it above the mousepad but provides an anchor points for precise movements.
Idk man, there are a lot of situations where this advice will hurt you. for example when you want smooth tracking or play on lower sens. All that extra friction causes uneven tracking.
exactly. not even the main point as to why this video is misinformed and objectively incorrect. preference plays a significant role. situation may also call for a different holding style.
art school teach you to lock the wrist and stroke using the elbow to create longer smoother lines ... but it's f ing tedious process to learn
But you don't lock wrist when you are doing detailing. Wrist is about precision like holding a scalpel.
I cant actually believe someone would need this video. This is like someone explaining how to breathe.
I hover and due to my vertical mouse its not tense or uncomfortable at all and it provides benifit such as not getting ssweat all over the mouseopad
The question is, how does this change with wrist cushioning mouse pads, does that fix the problem or does the angle of your wrist still add uneccesary shakiness and force in your mouse?
If you're using one, then you're gripping your mouse wrong.
(Sensor too far back, slippy coating or mouse too large/too long)
@@fotoschopro1230 alright, thanks
@@HalfWolf2
Hey, if you measure how big your hands are, and tell me what mouse you're using, I'm sure I could help you out.
You need to measure from your pinky finger tip to the tip of the thumb. That's the hand span. And from the lines/folds at the bottom of your palm, to the tip of your middle finger.
That's the hand length.
@@fotoschopro1230 razor deathadder, and I think it's less so that I wasn't comfortable and more so just being curious
Didn't know OptimumTech does vids for Kovaaks
Yea, show me how you doing vertical aim situations with pulled wrist
I honestly think it's personal preference. Some of the best aimers in the world play with their wrist off the desk. Twistzz and zywoo to name a few. I started to aim with my wrist off the desk and it feels like I am able to aim better once I got used to it.
yeah i feel like its heavily dependend on overall grip, sensitivity etc.
@@foolspath abusing low sens xD
@@foolspath so ur abusing high sens? sens needs to fit ur aiming style and overall ability. there arent any rules. abusing sensitivity is a stupid idea
@@foolspath are u using a slow mousepad or a fast one? 3cm is completely ridiculous. Why should it be more respectable? bc it is harder? thats a stupid idea.
@@foolspath idk, it doesnt really show over esport games that thats the case. so your abusing mousepad speeds? the idea of abusing a sensitivity is ridiculous
This is good advice... if you want to develop carpal tunnel syndrome sooner. You can actually float your wrist naturally by essentially balancing your forearm on the edge of your desk.
I cant hit my thumb mouse buttons if i dont hover. Tried using model o- and razer viper 8k. The thumb buttons are really important in fortnite because the less i take my fingers off from WASD to build the better movement i have.
My flick aim was always much better than my tracking aim. After some thought and tests, I think the contact between my arm and the table is inconsistent resulting in jittery friction.
After watching this video, it seems keeping contact was already the correct technique, but how do you overcome the inconsistent friction when you need to switch to arm aiming to track larger movements?
I am currently the best in my friend groups at shooters. (Plat 3 in siege, 5-6 star in Hunt: Showdown.) I aim mostly if not entirely through wrist movement and I use relatively high sensitivity. 2k dpi and 1.0 sensitivity in Hunt: Showdown. I use similar sensitivity for R6 Siege and so on. I am unsure of whether or not it will be truly beneficial for me to start over with a whole new technique. It feels so awkward to aim with the arm.
You SHOULD clarify that contact does not mean pressure. You do not want weight or significant amount of pressure on your wrist when in contact with the mousepad/surface. This is precisely what can lead to bad health issues, carpal tunnel, tendinitis, etc.
yeah that is so true, hold mouse how ever you want as long you don't put pressure on palm/wrist.
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Awesome video! I actually have the problem of my wrist hovering, I've been doing it for wayyy too long, is there a way to change this bad habit ? Or is it just something I should force from now on and eventually it will become natural ? Thanks
Wrist hovering is fine for general PC use, but when playing shooters it's helpful to enter a performance oriented mindset where you recall cues like wrist contact. Playing reactive and erratic scenarios like Air Invincible 2 with wrist contact will help form the new habit.
@@TheMeta thanks
I've noticed that, during practice range drills in Valorant, is that my right flicks are more restricted and slower but more accurate, and I don't overshoot the target. I always overshoot on my left flicks. I never thought about wrist placement, so hopefully this helps
Wow you’re lucky you’re ambidextrous
@@victorialovesyou he meant while shooting the guys on the left
@@vagu3rac1st OHHH lol sorry
What if you have your elbows on the armrest of the chair too? I think maybe that's my problem?
It definitely helps to use your arm as an anchor, but there tend to be inconsistencies between the two points of contact which sometimes leads to either excessive arm movement or vice versa? Could be why people get into these habits of planting their wrist or not using enough wrist motion. might be what prevents the average player from progressing after a certain point - they don't have the best coordination between muscle groups
What that mousepad? Looks sick!
omg insane wit da apex aim sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
And what's the point of the aiming technique in Warzone, for example, when most of them use a driver with aim assistant turned on?
Genius
depends on the EDPI
Growing up i only put my hands in the desk, and that never changed.
I just use a keyboard rest on my mouse side whilst supporting my elbow on foam. Zero stress on shoulders. Same on keyboard side but I use a mouse rest aligned with ASDW keys. It's a winner.
So um which part of wrist should touch the mousepad..I'm right handed and I only bring my right corner of wrist and arm in contact..and by doing so cuz of sweat there is lot of friction b/w my arm ,wrist and mousepad..which hinders adjusting or tracking enemies in intense situations.
Can u help me with that.
I can't keep my wrist properly planted if I have more than 50% of my arm on desk. Am I missing out on anything if about 55% of my arm is not on desk?
Bruh, how am I just now finding this? 😩
I physically can't put my wrist on the mousepad, my wrist flexors are to large. In order to get my wrist on the mousepad I need to lift my elbow really high and bend my hand back at a super uncomfortable angle.
i love how he talling that things like human body is make to aiming in games :skullface:
i have followup questions. i always used fingertip with planted wrist, but the problem for me is switching between wrist movements and bigger movements, for example bigger tracking motions, or for example tracing an angle in tacfps. when i lift it to move my arm, i habe this weird sensation, you guys know what i mean? how do u handle that?
Depends on how you have your whole arm planted. My elbow is on the arm of my chair with my wrist planted near the edge of my desk so the edge doesn't jam into my tendons. This way, I am essentially just pivoting off of my elbow for large movements. So rather than fully lifting I am just dragging my forearm/wrist with my upper arm/shoulder muscles. This is much easier with a compression sleeve. My wrist would probably get stuck on the mousepad if I didn't have one and make the movement more inconsistent. Hope that helps.
@@meandab mhh yeah im trying to drag it instead of lift now :) tyty
This is Brollan grip style from NIP
*Twistzz left the chat*
What about if you use a silicon wrist rest ?
It's interesting to note that Zywoo and Twistzz, two of the greatest CS:GO players currently, have their wrist not touching the mouse pad. So with the correct position, and a lot of training, it can work very well for CS
bro thank you legit right after i did this i broke a midrange long strafes invincible record went from 88.1 percentile to 95 percentile lmao legit helped my aim so much already
Huge jump! Nicely done :D
I tried to have my wrist flat on the table but it feels like I'm straining my hand and wrist more. just after a few minutes my wrist and hand are already tired out. do I have to get use to it or am i doing something wrong?
probably the height of ur table bro maybe its too high?
how do you recommend cleaning a mousepad?
I just tried putting my arm on my desk like in the video and it lifts my elbow off my armrest so it hovers uncomfortably.
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thank you. now can i understand it. i will give it a try. kisses.
the correct way is put full arm in the desk?
So are you supposed to drag your forearm around on the mousepad?
what you think :)
Can i play the g303 too with 17cm long hand?
anyone got any tips for a 3 finger mouse holder (i have my middle finger on the scroll wheel and my ring finger to scope) ive tried holding it normally but cant aim since im too used to my weird grip
wait so you mean that my wrist need to to touching with the surface but not onto the mouse it self?
I was already doing this💀
I dont understan if im using finger tip why i need to put my wrist in the table?
So true thats why I use small mices
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