As a young engine builder way back, I thought straight up meant "out of the box." with the dots lined up. It was only after I got a degree wheel and measuring tools that I understood what was going on. Brent, thanks again for this very useful information.
Im glad you explained ..straight, because i have heard engine builders on U tube say it wrong and i have tried to correct them, but they would believe you better than me. THANKS for backing me up .
Hey Brent, Tim here, I cudnt agree with you MORE!!, CHILL OUT !!.....as I follow many of the cam challenge competitors already, most awful comments were by the sofa gurus.....most ALL competitors wanna win, yes, but are more after DATA!!....so, how each individual comes up with their grind, is them......may not be same as the Joe next to them.....who cares!!??....LETS GET SOME DATA!!......btw, by the computer (Eric's vid from Sat) you're like RITE there, with limited LS experience......I think its gonna be awesome, and let each builder do his thing, and again, LETS GET THE DATA!!...........REALLY enjoyed this vid from you.....GREAT Sun morn, sipping coffee enjoyment......ur gonna do well.....between Vizard, Powell, Salter, and you, I cudnt be happier to be able to watch and see....ALL you guys are TOP NOTCH engine dudes.....PEACE to you sir, and GOOD LUCK!!!....TY for makin my Sun mornin super cool!!.....
Great Video, Brent! Something that’s confusing to a lot of people it that while ICL and durations are given in crankshaft degrees but the lobe separation is in Camshaft degrees, so ( for example) a 110 lobe spread cam is really 2x (220) crank degrees apart in the engine. And also many people don’t even realize the event is from the exhaust closing to the intake opening. Also a tighter lobe spread means that the time both valves are totally closed is longer. Which equates to more compression duration. Something else you can elaborate on is that many people also don’t understand the ram effect of the intake ( when you can achieve it) is how you can pack the cylinder with more air and fuel even after the piston is coming back up after BDC.
Back when I first started working with 460s in my 4x4 I bought a stock 79 460 but good shape. So low compression but not wore out. I bought headers & a air gap intake & new carb & a cam kit from erson. I remember it was plenty big for being a stock, low compression 460. And they said it is ground on 0 advance the cam timing 4° for what you are doing. And I did? Kinda? I assembled everything & put the timing chain on & lined it up to the 4° advanced mark. But I never used a degree wheel. Don't even think I knew what one was back then? It ran fine! It was actually pretty powerful & could run on Mexican dirt gas! I was pretty happy with it. Over time eventually a lifter ate a cam lobe & I didn't have anything else so I threw the stock cam back in. But I did not keep the lifters in order for the stock cam. But they were the lifters that was run with it. So I put the stock springs back on the valves & put the stock cam back in & I knew it was wrong but thought, what the hell? Let's see what this dus! And I put the stock lifters back in, not in order??!! But with the lighter weaker stock springs. I figured if anybody could ever get away with this, this would be it? Light springs, mild non aggressive stock cam,. And it ran & used it for many more miles. The cam & lifters lived!! Idk how many miles? The minute I had money to put a different 460 in I did it!! Becouse it did live, but going from a performance cam to a stock cam on a low compression 79 460 was like visiting a all night dentist!! It was so slow!! I never knew a big ol honkin 460 could be so underwhelming!! It was so exaggerated becouse of how it did run. It was impressive for a time but going backwards like that!!?? I could never do it again!! Oh ya, I advanced 4° again when I put the stock can back in but not with a degree wheel. And I did that to another engine once that later I found out made it a total of 8 advanced!! Thats when I started learning correctly from my mistakes & yes now I use a wheel & also understand a cam card. But stock 460s still just make my head hang in exhaustion.
Thanks for this great video! I know you have covered cam degreeing before, but the previous video will be hard to find since it was in one of the previous engine builds. Now I can just search for this video when I want to review it in the future.
Brent, Thank you for a great video. I’m curious do you do much work on the old Clevelands, in particular, a stroker build of either a 393 or 408? Is one preferable over the other in regard to sidewall piston thrust and overall engine longevity. I’m interested in a weekend drag car and the occasional trip on the street. I’ve bought some CHI 3v heads 225cc and a CHI single plane intake topped with a Holley 830 cfm carb. With those heads I’m thinking more displacement is better. Any thought or suggestions would be much appreciated.
Great information as always Brent.... with a timing chain, if it need half or 1 degree, i use to put it at 2 degrees advanced, with the chain stretch it loses a degree or so... back close to the Cam card number... Whats your thoughts ??/
Thanks Brent. Appreciate your time to make these videos and share your knowledge. Thinking about building a 400m with 4.25 stroke for my 79 f350 4wd. What are your thoughts. Thanks in advance for your response.
Hi brent, When you go back in counter clockwise (in the ICL, ECL method), should you come back 100 thousandths and then go forward to 50 thousandths to solve the timing chain slack, or is not critical? ecxellent video like always!! regards from Argentina.
I think you are correct. He may be introducing an error when he uses the ICL method through cam chain slack. This is why the results of the two methods do not match. He should recheck his ILC results doing what you suggest. I would be interested to know.
I don't think most house garage engine builders for their street toys could ever tell the difference in any of the camshafts in the challenge. They are just going to install a cam and drive their car and smile.
As a young engine builder way back, I thought straight up meant "out of the box." with the dots lined up. It was only after I got a degree wheel and measuring tools that I understood what was going on. Brent, thanks again for this very useful information.
Best explanation I’ve seen yet on how to degree a camshaft.
Thanks Brent
Thanks Brent! You are a great teacher.
Im glad you explained ..straight, because i have heard engine builders on U tube say it wrong and i have tried to correct them, but they would believe you better than me. THANKS for backing me up .
Thanks for the good info Brent👍🏻💯
Thanks Brent. Another great tutorial.
Very well explained. Thank you!
Very good explanation, Brent!!!
Hey Brent,
Tim here, I cudnt agree with you MORE!!, CHILL OUT !!.....as I follow many of the cam challenge competitors already, most awful comments were by the sofa gurus.....most ALL competitors wanna win, yes, but are more after DATA!!....so, how each individual comes up with their grind, is them......may not be same as the Joe next to them.....who cares!!??....LETS GET SOME DATA!!......btw, by the computer (Eric's vid from Sat) you're like RITE there, with limited LS experience......I think its gonna be awesome, and let each builder do his thing, and again, LETS GET THE DATA!!...........REALLY enjoyed this vid from you.....GREAT Sun morn, sipping coffee enjoyment......ur gonna do well.....between Vizard, Powell, Salter, and you, I cudnt be happier to be able to watch and see....ALL you guys are TOP NOTCH engine dudes.....PEACE to you sir, and GOOD LUCK!!!....TY for makin my Sun mornin super cool!!.....
Great Video, Brent!
Something that’s confusing to a lot of people it that while ICL and durations are given in crankshaft degrees but the lobe separation is in Camshaft degrees, so ( for example) a 110 lobe spread cam is really 2x (220) crank degrees apart in the engine. And also many people don’t even realize the event is from the exhaust closing to the intake opening.
Also a tighter lobe spread means that the time both valves are totally closed is longer. Which equates to more compression duration.
Something else you can elaborate on is that many people also don’t understand the ram effect of the intake ( when you can achieve it) is how you can pack the cylinder with more air and fuel even after the piston is coming back up after BDC.
It is great stuff!!!..... You enjoy your weekend also....😉👍
Always good info,usually overlooked with new builders/assemblers ..
Each builder has their niche/approach,
Excellent Brent.
Brilliant explanation Brent, thank you once again for covering both ways of checking cam specs,shows just how accurate the best method is.!👍🏼
Back when I first started working with 460s in my 4x4 I bought a stock 79 460 but good shape. So low compression but not wore out. I bought headers & a air gap intake & new carb & a cam kit from erson. I remember it was plenty big for being a stock, low compression 460. And they said it is ground on 0 advance the cam timing 4° for what you are doing. And I did? Kinda? I assembled everything & put the timing chain on & lined it up to the 4° advanced mark. But I never used a degree wheel. Don't even think I knew what one was back then? It ran fine! It was actually pretty powerful & could run on Mexican dirt gas! I was pretty happy with it. Over time eventually a lifter ate a cam lobe & I didn't have anything else so I threw the stock cam back in. But I did not keep the lifters in order for the stock cam. But they were the lifters that was run with it. So I put the stock springs back on the valves & put the stock cam back in & I knew it was wrong but thought, what the hell? Let's see what this dus! And I put the stock lifters back in, not in order??!! But with the lighter weaker stock springs. I figured if anybody could ever get away with this, this would be it? Light springs, mild non aggressive stock cam,. And it ran & used it for many more miles. The cam & lifters lived!! Idk how many miles? The minute I had money to put a different 460 in I did it!! Becouse it did live, but going from a performance cam to a stock cam on a low compression 79 460 was like visiting a all night dentist!! It was so slow!! I never knew a big ol honkin 460 could be so underwhelming!! It was so exaggerated becouse of how it did run. It was impressive for a time but going backwards like that!!?? I could never do it again!! Oh ya, I advanced 4° again when I put the stock can back in but not with a degree wheel. And I did that to another engine once that later I found out made it a total of 8 advanced!! Thats when I started learning correctly from my mistakes & yes now I use a wheel & also understand a cam card. But stock 460s still just make my head hang in exhaustion.
You an Danial at Powell machine are my favorite two
Thanks Brent. Great information!
Thanks for this great video! I know you have covered cam degreeing before, but the previous video will be hard to find since it was in one of the previous engine builds. Now I can just search for this video when I want to review it in the future.
Good info Brent!! Thanks!!
Good information thanks for the video
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Brent, Thank you for a great video. I’m curious do you do much work on the old Clevelands, in particular, a stroker build of either a 393 or 408? Is one preferable over the other in regard to sidewall piston thrust and overall engine longevity. I’m interested in a weekend drag car and the occasional trip on the street.
I’ve bought some CHI 3v heads 225cc and a CHI single plane intake topped with a Holley 830 cfm carb. With those heads I’m thinking more displacement is better. Any thought or suggestions would be much appreciated.
Always go with long stroke. Sideloading is one of those internet fables that get passed around.
Great information as always Brent.... with a timing chain, if it need half or 1 degree, i use to put it at 2 degrees advanced, with the chain stretch it loses a degree or so... back close to the Cam card number... Whats your thoughts ??/
Thanks Brent. Appreciate your time to make these videos and share your knowledge. Thinking about building a 400m with 4.25 stroke for my 79 f350 4wd. What are your thoughts. Thanks in advance for your response.
Thank you for the in-depth video. Great info and demo. Will your piston stop work on Pontiac?
Never tried
Hi brent, When you go back in counter clockwise (in the ICL, ECL method), should you come back 100 thousandths and then go forward to 50 thousandths to solve the timing chain slack, or is not critical? ecxellent video like always!! regards from Argentina.
I think you are correct. He may be introducing an error when he uses the ICL method through cam chain slack. This is why the results of the two methods do not match. He should recheck his ILC results doing what you suggest. I would be interested to know.
You can, but it doesn't make much difference. It's widely known that asymmetrical cams don't work well with the ICL method.
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Brent, whats the status of the Coyote you were building a few months back?
It was sold.
I dont recall the Coyote being finished and tested
I don't think most house garage engine builders for their street toys could ever tell the difference in any of the camshafts in the challenge.
They are just going to install a cam and drive their car and smile.
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