All you really need is a fuzz, buffer, compressor, a boost, distortion, hard clipping drive, soft clipping drive, EQ, and then another boost. That’s it, let’s not make this more complicated than it is. 😂
Do you think my church would complain if I bought my forklift pedalboard on Sunday? I'd have to literally take out a wall to get in but I could have 20 O D- distortion- fuzz pedals to choose from. Aah maybe I better think this through a little bit more. Now I'm using 3 at this time, but when I'm done watching this I could change my mind and my board.
Bit of a double entendre of a word in this matter. Pallet in that we have all of our colors ready to paint our tone. Pallet in that we literally need a fork lift to carry it around when we think the pedalboard is proverbially "finished." 🤣
Can we just take a moment to appreciate (don't care if you've done it before, do it again) just how wholesome this channel is? Seeing these great friends get to be in their happy place and getting to hang out and make each other laugh and smile with jokes, audio gear, etc is always nice to see. All coming to you from the remote mountain of guitar pedals these two live in. Amazing.
Dan’s smile while he sat on the floor turning on 10 pedals at the same time was great. Looked like a kid on Christmas playing with the gift he wanted. Made me smile too.
Love the differing philosophies between you two. Start swerving a bit and Mic hits the brakes, Dan tosses a brick on the gas and says "Don't worry, the wall will stop us if we spin out"😆
My wife saw me watching TPS the other day and said, “watching the knob twiddlers again, huh?”. There’s your next t-shirt: Certified Knob Twiddler. You’re welcome.
@@ThatPedalShow Please go for this one! I swear that if you just make sure there's an fx pedal on it, nobody can take offence in Tesco. Speaking of which, I recently walked through said shop in a T which read "First I see the candy, THEN I get in the van. I'm not stupid...." and you should have seen the smiles :O)
My favorite part of the entire episode was hearing Dan explore his new guitar. I love when you guys try new sounds/amps/pedals/guitars and explain and inform as you are exploring. The instructionally structured videos are certainly helpful but I miss the improvisation and pure passion in putting some new pedals down and seeing where you go with them. I appreciate all the hard work over the years!
I've had a TON of pedals in my day. Once I bought a D&M Drive, I soon found that it covered every boost/overdrive/distortion tone I could ever want to have. Kudos to you guys & Robert Keeley for such a genius pedal.
Nobody sits down to color a picture and thinks, "I wish there were less colors in my crayon box." Nobody. That said, used crayons don't cost $180 apiece...
I actually preferred the box of 48 crayolas over the 96. I never used most of the ones in the larger box, and they’d just make it take longer to find the colors I did want. The 96-er did come with a built in sharpener though….🤔
TPS on having all the mids ever: "It's a very different experience, playing with a nose on it like that" "And that's an extreme example, probably wouldn't use a sound like that". Brian May's entire career was based on that sound... and a lot of hair. Bless that mad lad, the earlier albums especially! It also makes me think of all the 70s fusion guys: that great, peculiar super middy clean-but-driven sound. Really fun show!
Thank you Dan and Mick. You have helped me answer my wife's frequent question " why do you need so many pedals". You spell it out so much better than I can. Pedal gurus and marriage therapists. Peace, love, Rock & Roll.
I just succeeded in stacking gains of 5 different pedals on my Multi FX unit (TS, Echoplex, some overdrive, Dist+, BigMuff), and I must admit that's the best I've ever sounded. I analyzed their characteristics beforehand (tone and drive), and combined them so to enhance their characteristics (combine muddy with overly crisp, and types of saturations, so to balance out what they lack and come with a vastly superior sound). I am very happy with my sound now, after lacklusting forever. I can't recommend enough going through this experiment.
Seriously, I’ve had a drink or two, but another idea. There and back again. Finding out that your initial intuitions were right for you, even though you had a instructional education on what isn’t your tone. Finding that home was great and so was the journey.
That Plank Board Btw if you never read the literal description of the episode, you're bound to miss a lot of enjoyable linguistics. Perhaps it isn't a coincidence Mick used to work in magazines for a long time. I'd watch an hour or two of you guys just get on crazy tangents and tomfoolery. Nice to see Dan sink back to the 80's with that weirdo guitar. What you also will notice about Mark series amps with the V-shape eq is that you almost have to do it to tone down the midrange of those amps to reasonable levels. It took me years of thinking "why would a guitarist ever use that kind of an eq shape for the amp" until I was shown that it's a reaction to the amp, not a pre-planned setup.
I too have 5 on my pedal board. TS mini-->Archer Ikon-->Cornerstone Gladio-->Greer Lightspeed-->Origin Effects Revival Drive. Love the diversity of this board!
I freaking loved this episode!! Having shows like this, the fuzz/heat, & the Frankenstein delay board have been priceless. My wife straight away said “Don’t get any ideas” when she saw the beginning shot with all the OD pedals on the board 🤣😂
Man I love these shows!! Well put together. Well filmed. Other then educational on a topic I truly love, they’re just a good show to watch. Too many TH-cam videos that have great info, but are just so sloppily put together making it awkward and sometimes frustrating to watch. Thanks again guys!
All I know is: "I had One, ( and was very-happy ) until I started watching NonStop . . . Dan & Mick" - Now I'm ( surprisingly & somehow ) even happier with ( 3 ). Barber Gain Changer > Fulltone OCD > Thorpy Fallout Cloud. Oh That Pedal Show !!!
@@ThatPedalShow You 2 have probably Sold more Pedals, then: Boss, EHX and MXR - all combined. I went from a three pedal set-up, to a Ten-pedal 2 tier board . . . "But I can't stop watching"
Blues driver was the first pedal I ever bought 20 years ago and is still on my board and i use it all the time. Just a really great sounding pedal, and for a good price too
Good show, thank you! I use 3 gain pedals on my board - TC Spark with mid boost for warm very slightly gainy cleans, a Hardwire CM2 (TS--Style) for mid-level OD, and MXR Super Badass Distortion. The CM2 stacks beautifully into the MXR, it's a great lead combination I've used for years. This gets me through my band setlist. More drives might be cool tone-wise, but whenever I've tried to expand that, I found it not practical live and it gave me option paralysis. The extra options didn't really serve the songs either. So through trial and error now I know how many drives I need.
Just finished a medium-sized pedalboard, and the dirt is Browne Protein > Wampler Gearbox (2 into 1). HSS Suhr Classic S, Boogie Fillmore 50. It is something else. Couldn't have figured it all out without you guys; thanks for everything.
It’s fun to just take a gain pedal & put EQ pedals before & after it. I like to reverse the in-EQ & the out-EQ to boost the less distorted frequencies & cut the more distorted ones.
I have five over drives three boosts and one fuzz. And continue to stack them in different positions to get different sounds and tones. Amongst the other pedals and pedal boards. It just never ends…😬 Thank you guys
17:45 I think that sacrilege should be using a pedal like the Klon as a clean boost. That circuit is so good, it needs to be pushed into overdrive to really shine!
Yes, it’s insane to me people are using it as a clean boost. The clipping sound I get out of it in my setup is addictive. There are certainly better options for clean boosts as well…
Thanks guys for this episode! Convinced me to ditch the EQ (EQD Tone Job) I was using as a mid/gain boost into my primary overdrive (JHS Superbolt) in favor of running the Superbolt into a Vertex Ultraphonix. Gain stacking wins over boosting into dirt. So it goes now for gain staging Golden fleece Fuzz - Superbolt - Ultraphonix - Ego Comp - boost at the end of the chain ala the Empress Buffer +
The possibilities get exponential the more pedals you use. 1 pedal: A 2 pedals: A, B, AB, BA 3 pedals: A, B, C, AB, AC, ABC, ACB, BA, BC, BAC, BCA, CA, CB, CBA, CAB.
Often, even if I'm enjoying a video, I forget to "like" it. That opening salvo of awesomeness instantly reminded me. FYI: Dan & Mick aren't rubbing your rhubarb - the D&M Drive is magnificent.
Too much? To own ? The answer is a hearty “as many as you want”, cause there’s always a flavor you may want. On a board? Whatever’s working best for you (I tend to stack a max of three gains…most often two). I love you glorious lads and I hope you’re well; see you Monday.
I'm frankly impressed That Tangent Show got through all these pedals in just an hour! 😉 Please do a showcase on Wide Range Humbuckers now that Dan has that amazing Longbottom guitar!
Q: How many overdrives do you need? A: Yes. Very interested in the Gearbox. My current gain stack is Klon->Boost->MIAB (bookended by a fuzz and a RAT that I don't tend to stack much), so the new Wampler is two thirds of that in an enclosure the size of my RYRA, with a "loop" to stick my Spark Mini in between to goose the Pinnacle. The Morning Glory is also on my "really nice to have" list.
17:37 Which is exactly why I don't understand that most people use a Klon as a booster. Using such a nicely engineered and designed topology as a boost is basically a waste of gain imho. Get a $60 treble booster and give the Klon to your bandmate who needs a nice overdrive. :)
It’s actually a very simple equation. X (current # of OD pedals) + Y (# of desired OD pedals) = Z (correct # of OD pedals)😁 Love your videos like this. They’re like a master class on the use of pedals. Thanks
How well timed! My partner (an amateur guitarist who just plinks around on their Tele occasionally) genuinely turned around to me just as we were about to get into bed last night and said "Why are there so many types of Overdrive, why can't there just be one that does it all". I think Carl Longbottom may have been able to hear my head explode all the way in Geordie-land. Safe to say there was then another half an hour of me explaining the different types of gain and why digital overdrive isn't where I would like it to be for it to be in my sound (and most of the guitarists that I look up to sound - Dave Simpson being a very clear example of one of the ones using digital OD) - I think they may have regretted saying anything at all...!
Yes, how you use the pedal, and what you're trying to achieve. These types of shows always remind me of the same two things: 1) a database I've built over the years that contains recordings and samples of hundreds and hundreds of overdrive pedals. Yes, I said hundreds and hundreds; 2) That said, I only own two (2) pedals that I consider my "overdrive" pedals: Blackstone Appliances Mosfet Overdrive (aka the BAMO), and the Hudson Broadcast. That's it. I've been able to achieve everything I've ever needed with these two live or in a studio recording environment. Given the relative plasticity of terms as they are used here, I would further add that I have only 1 pedal that self-identifies as specifically a "Fuzz" pedal. It has a "shit-ton" of head room and variac functionality. So a possible total of 3 pedals then....
Thanks gents, great show, perfect timing. I'm working on a pedalboard with room for three gain stages for a gig. I recently acquired a Benson preamp which is great fun, but trying to work it in and get tones I need is a puzzle, and I would like to use the guitar volume for cleanup. You reminded me of several factors-especially not losing volume when adding a pedal. Fodder for my experiments!
Whenever I use overdrive my logic follows using the pickups selector to my advantage: Using a Stage 1 (Clean, no OD pedal): My neck puckup is completely clean, and the bridge position breaks the amp up a bit. Stage 2: Klon/Morning glory style drive Neck pickup sounds like the "clean" bridge position, but with a bit more gain. Bridge Pickup sounds like it is starting to get into tube screamer territory. Stage 3: Klon/MG + tube screamer style pedal Neck Pickup starts to get into lead territory, but can be used as a rhythm tone in "soft" rock Bridge Pickup can be used a the lead tone in "soft" rock, or a rhythm tone in hard rock Stage 4: OCD or Rat style pedal Neck is a lead tone that is not as piercing at the neck pickup Bridge is then used as a rhythm metal tone or ear-piercing lead if I need it (but still fitting within the venue's mix). Pedal chain: MG-->TS-->DS I might sometimes have a boost but only if the setlist requires me to have a tone higher than the full on distorted one. However, I just use the MG's red remote switch to get that boost. The middle position is a wild card for me, but I find myself never really using the middle position on a 3 single coil or 2 HB guitar. Sorry for the long read, but just wanted to share this because I get so many tones out of this strategy and lets me have so many stages if the band needs the energy.
I love this channel!! Thank you both so very much for such wonderful content. I watch this show religiously I can’t praise these two enough. I have almost been playing guitar for a solid year and I have enjoyed myself immensely. I can’t think of two many days where I haven’t practiced and I am constantly improving. I am not a natural I doubt I will ever be be as good as you all, but I sure enjoy trying.
Thanks for this video, guys. I sometimes get self conscious about having a fuzz, treble booster, and 4 overdrives on one board, but this makes me feel ok about it. Did I mention that two of the drives are dual drives…so maybe I am crazy….or maybe…..I need MORE!?
It's a simple answer; X = N+1/T (where N is current no. of overdrives owned, T is 1 Month, and X is correct no. of overdrives you should own). Jeez, I thought we knew this stuff already? Great video guys. As Always I greatly appreciate the time and effort that goes into these videos. And the hat. I appreciate the hat.
Friday night, a few bottles of Duvel, TPS on YT, and all's right with the world. FWIW, this episode I sorely need. Having avoided dirt boxes for years, I'm now falling down the rabbit hole. Cheers, chaps, and keep up the good work.
I’d like to see you guys put all your pedals into a randomizer and see what you would come up with from those selected. May have to do it by category, but who knows!
Hello Dan and Mick, I started watching TPS about six months ago and I love it , maybe obsessively so. At the moment Iam up to 43 pedals most of which are overdrives and distortion pedals. I had to stop and think that maybe I need something dofferent like reverb, cjorus delay, tremolo etc. I am hooked I cannot stop. Boys, fuzz s not all I need, I need more! Thankyou for a great show which is informative and entertaining. AK
dont stack overdrives serially but in parallel! i can't say that enough. serially you ll get mostly the sound of the last one, in parallel both are well represented, without adding gain (with some mixers you can mix even three overdrives!). Plus you can still put an overdrive after your parallel mixer, if you really need to serially stack them, or you can stack two overdrives serially in the loops you mix in parallel!
I don’t like going to work on Fridays. But I do like GOING to work on Fridays because I get to watch the latest episode of TPS. Cheers from the Big Apple.
You know what? These shows are great for sure. But I really miss the good old ”Pick ’n’ Mix” shows. Every show doesn’t have to be on a specific subject. I really enjoy the ”here is some new pedals we’ve come over and here is our thoughts”-vibe.
Pick N Mix views were too low vs the cost of making the shows unfortunately. Turns out many people just thought we were trying to sell them stuff! It’s a shame because we liked em too!
@@ThatPedalShow I agree, the varied pedal reviews are/were great. Perhaps being well established now, maybe the viewers are more in phase with you guys now that they won't think you're trying to directly sell them?
Ok the palet as a pedalboard is absolutely fitting the theme of this episode spot on! 😂 Thx to this episode, I placed my gain stages like this: green big muff-NRG poker -Okko Diablo plus, using the treble booster to lift the fuzz for solos, and before the overdrive to heavy rythme, then the “+ “ side of the Diablo is lifting everything again when needed. Thx again guys!! 👍🏻 cheers!
@@locationbacklinepianos7312 The Klon (klone) does it's best work as a colored boost/always on, IMO. Its more saturated OD aspects are covered about as well by other pedals that are much cheaper. But the tone enhancement it adds to an amps' cleans...unmatched.
my 2021 gain stages are effectrode red bottle (tube boost), Earthquaker Park Fuzz (tone bender), King of Tone and a Kingtone Soloist. Might be adding a Greer southland or Jam Rattler. Gain staging is so much fun
50 shades of gain= Fulltone Soulbender 2 V2, the volume control on my guitar, into an amp at the threshold of clip or more, goes from clean to totally fuzzed out depending on the volume level on the guitar combined with playing dynamics!! Cheers, guys, great show as always!!
The best explanation of clipping I've ever heard was to think of the tube or transistor or diode- whatever it is that's doing the clipping- as a literal tube or pipe. Now imagine the sign wave going into the pipe and being cut off and the top and bottom so it fits- you can see that the larger the amplitude of the wave is that enters that pipe- the more of it that gets cut off and the squarer and wider each peak is when it comes out the other end. And vice versa- the smaller the amplitude is, it just barely cuts off the top and bottom leaving sort of rounded peaks- not so squared off, not so wide and flat at the peaks. You can also see that the size of the opening of your imaginary pipe really matters to- the smaller it is, the more it cuts off and squares everything that goes through it- the larger, the more you have to increase the amplitude to make it clip anything- this is headroom. A large pipe creates a lot of headroom- and small one creates very little headroom- this is very easy to remember because you can think of it like standing up inside a physical pipe- the bigger it is the more room your head has- right? This is why in America valves are called "tubes"- because of this analogy. Sorry for the interruption- we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
I've had mine since I was 18 just recently decided to have Keeley mod (30 now) done to it my god what a pedal is all I can say. Your volume on guitar rolls off perfectly an it cleans up brilliantly. That stacked with TS9 is just utter perfection 🤙.
Great show guys! My wood or fitter workers always tell me I have no fit. Ok really metal and woodwork are not my thing. Really shows what the G2/G3 can do with re-arranging the pedals in an order to make X sound.
I played one show with three distortions, one overdrive and an octave fuzz running at the same time, AFTER a compressor, into a Sunn Solarus. It did what I needed it to do.
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"Increased harmonic interest" is definitely going to be the explanation I give my wife every time I buy a new pedal from now on!
Hahahah
I love it. Gonna use that from now on.
When “harmonic content” is no longer enough... 😅
Hold your fire. Keep that one in reserve. Don't burn that explanation unless its a must have pedal like a Hotcake, Tim V3 or King of Tone...
All you really need is a fuzz, buffer, compressor, a boost, distortion, hard clipping drive, soft clipping drive, EQ, and then another boost. That’s it, let’s not make this more complicated than it is. 😂
Hahahaha!!!
@@ThatPedalShow please make this a shirt guys lol. Instant buy.
One fuzz? Lemme know how that works out
I need three fuzz. The rest depends on the amp.
I like your moxie.
I like the idea of a pallet as a pedalboard, especially as you could then move it with a forklift when it becomes too heavily laden.
Do you think my church would complain if I bought my forklift pedalboard on Sunday? I'd have to literally take out a wall to get in but I could have 20 O D- distortion- fuzz pedals to choose from. Aah maybe I better think this through a little bit more. Now I'm using 3 at this time, but when I'm done watching this I could change my mind and my board.
hmmm....good idea. I decided to also build a scmidt array pedal board for myself. it's 36" wide. and my next one will be 42".
@@sparkyguitar0058 90% of attendees dunno what a pedal board is & the rest are like '6 OD's ... coooooool'
Bit of a double entendre of a word in this matter.
Pallet in that we have all of our colors ready to paint our tone. Pallet in that we literally need a fork lift to carry it around when we think the pedalboard is proverbially "finished." 🤣
@@Mike_Spor 5:03 5:03
Can we just take a moment to appreciate (don't care if you've done it before, do it again) just how wholesome this channel is? Seeing these great friends get to be in their happy place and getting to hang out and make each other laugh and smile with jokes, audio gear, etc is always nice to see. All coming to you from the remote mountain of guitar pedals these two live in. Amazing.
Thank you kindly for this! Good vibes, good feelings. Thank you!
In this world today, we need more of this too!!
Dan’s smile while he sat on the floor turning on 10 pedals at the same time was great. Looked like a kid on Christmas playing with the gift he wanted. Made me smile too.
Love the differing philosophies between you two. Start swerving a bit and Mic hits the brakes, Dan tosses a brick on the gas and says "Don't worry, the wall will stop us if we spin out"😆
Hahahah!!!
Always steer into the skid. Never brake.
My wife saw me watching TPS the other day and said, “watching the knob twiddlers again, huh?”. There’s your next t-shirt: Certified Knob Twiddler. You’re welcome.
Ha!
😂😂 excellent
Love to tweak some knobs
@@ThatPedalShow Please go for this one! I swear that if you just make sure there's an fx pedal on it, nobody can take offence in Tesco. Speaking of which, I recently walked through said shop in a T which read "First I see the candy, THEN I get in the van. I'm not stupid...." and you should have seen the smiles :O)
"Well, my dear, what about I twiddle your knob and you twiddle mine?"
My favorite part of the entire episode was hearing Dan explore his new guitar. I love when you guys try new sounds/amps/pedals/guitars and explain and inform as you are exploring. The instructionally structured videos are certainly helpful but I miss the improvisation and pure passion in putting some new pedals down and seeing where you go with them. I appreciate all the hard work over the years!
I've had a TON of pedals in my day. Once I bought a D&M Drive, I soon found that it covered every boost/overdrive/distortion tone I could ever want to have. Kudos to you guys & Robert Keeley for such a genius pedal.
Yay! Thank you!
The main takeaway from this video : The Boss BD-2 is fricking amazing and still criminally underrated. Damn it sounds good!
That's like asking how many hats do you need? Dan is obviously a connoisseur of both.
I think he should loose the hat too
@@dixonrooster5954 Nah, he needs to stick with the fez.
@@samuelxavier2473 have shave and grow a viking beard
I like the hat.
Well, it’s a MIGHTY hats off to Simon for this one!
A nod to the man behind the scenes Simon! Always a professional production!!
Nobody sits down to color a picture and thinks, "I wish there were less colors in my crayon box." Nobody. That said, used crayons don't cost $180 apiece...
I actually preferred the box of 48 crayolas over the 96. I never used most of the ones in the larger box, and they’d just make it take longer to find the colors I did want. The 96-er did come with a built in sharpener though….🤔
@Hmmm mmm Cheapest wax you can find. To lube things up. A quick swipe on your nut will help strings not get stuck and help tunings. Just 1 example.
@@Matt-1d The 64 box was the happy medium, and still had a sharpener
@Hmmm mmm they should. Crayons are great. Go colour man!
@@Matt-1d i like that analogy...i am gonna run with it and conclude that 96 is too many pedals...and 48 is about right :D
TPS on having all the mids ever: "It's a very different experience, playing with a nose on it like that" "And that's an extreme example, probably wouldn't use a sound like that". Brian May's entire career was based on that sound... and a lot of hair. Bless that mad lad, the earlier albums especially!
It also makes me think of all the 70s fusion guys: that great, peculiar super middy clean-but-driven sound. Really fun show!
So true! Kicking on that Royal has made me Want Dumble again. Arrrrgghh. Mick here.
So glad you mentioned Josh Scott’s Klon settings! I had started yelling at the screen and typing furiously in the comments.
I appreciate the increased annotations on bottom, very helpful
Thank you Dan and Mick. You have helped me answer my wife's frequent question " why do you need so many pedals". You spell it out so much better than I can. Pedal gurus and marriage therapists. Peace, love, Rock & Roll.
26:25 - Little Dan tending to his pedals with his hat and huge smile on his face is such a picture 🤣
My number finally came up on a KOT - 4 years later! An overdrive to rule them all? :)
4 years!!?? Holy smokes! I knew they had a long waiting list but I had no idea it was that long.
2.5yrs on waiting list now. Looks like Xmas 2022 so! I think the demand warrants the hiring of one new pedal builder, no?
3 years and 3 months for me.
I got one on REVERB. Arrived at my house in 4 days.
two down, two to go! :(
Ok this is my show I must have over 50 can’t wait to watch
I love the "amp as a big distortion pedal" rather than the pedal as a miniature amplifier, but of course, this isn't That Amplifier Show. Great work!
I still run my Klon style drive with the gain up high every once in a while.
Also the production quality of the videos gets better and better.
I just succeeded in stacking gains of 5 different pedals on my Multi FX unit (TS, Echoplex, some overdrive, Dist+, BigMuff), and I must admit that's the best I've ever sounded. I analyzed their characteristics beforehand (tone and drive), and combined them so to enhance their characteristics (combine muddy with overly crisp, and types of saturations, so to balance out what they lack and come with a vastly superior sound). I am very happy with my sound now, after lacklusting forever.
I can't recommend enough going through this experiment.
If n is the amount of overdrive pedals you currently have, the correct amount of overdrive pedals you need to have is n+1.
Same equation applies to guitars and amps :D
Seriously, I’ve had a drink or two, but another idea. There and back again. Finding out that your initial intuitions were right for you, even though you had a instructional education on what isn’t your tone. Finding that home was great and so was the journey.
All of us D&M drive owners need little hat stickers for the Dan side now.
...also a facial hair add-on for Mick!
D&M Drive MkII as an updated version?
@@error8418 But then I'll have to buy another one!
That’s hilarious and an awesome idea.
@@andyk2370 What about a switch that adds "a little bit of hair". 😂
(Assuming that Mick's side is the cleaner one.)
That Plank Board
Btw if you never read the literal description of the episode, you're bound to miss a lot of enjoyable linguistics. Perhaps it isn't a coincidence Mick used to work in magazines for a long time. I'd watch an hour or two of you guys just get on crazy tangents and tomfoolery.
Nice to see Dan sink back to the 80's with that weirdo guitar. What you also will notice about Mark series amps with the V-shape eq is that you almost have to do it to tone down the midrange of those amps to reasonable levels. It took me years of thinking "why would a guitarist ever use that kind of an eq shape for the amp" until I was shown that it's a reaction to the amp, not a pre-planned setup.
This topic never gets old for me 👍 Thanks!
I too have 5 on my pedal board. TS mini-->Archer Ikon-->Cornerstone Gladio-->Greer Lightspeed-->Origin Effects Revival Drive. Love the diversity of this board!
Woah
Killer
I freaking loved this episode!! Having shows like this, the fuzz/heat, & the Frankenstein delay board have been priceless. My wife straight away said “Don’t get any ideas” when she saw the beginning shot with all the OD pedals on the board 🤣😂
Hahahaha!!!
As someone who learned guitar by playing along to ACDC tracks, this episode sounds GLORIOUS :) The Angus is strong with this one
Man I love these shows!! Well put together. Well filmed. Other then educational on a topic I truly love, they’re just a good show to watch. Too many TH-cam videos that have great info, but are just so sloppily put together making it awkward and sometimes frustrating to watch.
Thanks again guys!
Thank you Steve!
Love the pure joy on Dan's face while shredding on the Danocaster!
All I know is: "I had One, ( and was very-happy ) until I started watching NonStop . . . Dan & Mick" - Now I'm ( surprisingly & somehow ) even happier with ( 3 ). Barber Gain Changer > Fulltone OCD > Thorpy Fallout Cloud. Oh That Pedal Show !!!
Yes! Nice one Michael!
@@ThatPedalShow You 2 have probably Sold more Pedals, then: Boss, EHX and MXR - all combined. I went from a three pedal set-up, to a Ten-pedal 2 tier board . . . "But I can't stop watching"
Easily the most beautiful board in TPS history. Epic!!!!
I've owned way too many drives to count. The Blues Driver is one of the best.
Blues driver was the first pedal I ever bought 20 years ago and is still on my board and i use it all the time. Just a really great sounding pedal, and for a good price too
My favorite OD, probably
Les Paul > Blues Driver > Mick side of D&M is my current favorite OD sound. I can get about 90% of the sounds I want with that and my volume knobs.
@Neon Thunderbird I don't find the Blues Driver to be noisy at all........
Good show, thank you! I use 3 gain pedals on my board - TC Spark with mid boost for warm very slightly gainy cleans, a Hardwire CM2 (TS--Style) for mid-level OD, and MXR Super Badass Distortion. The CM2 stacks beautifully into the MXR, it's a great lead combination I've used for years. This gets me through my band setlist. More drives might be cool tone-wise, but whenever I've tried to expand that, I found it not practical live and it gave me option paralysis. The extra options didn't really serve the songs either. So through trial and error now I know how many drives I need.
Happy days! Exactly the episode I was hoping for, thanks :)
Just finished a medium-sized pedalboard, and the dirt is Browne Protein > Wampler Gearbox (2 into 1). HSS Suhr Classic S, Boogie Fillmore 50. It is something else. Couldn't have figured it all out without you guys; thanks for everything.
You’re most welcome mate 🙏
It’s fun to just take a gain pedal & put EQ pedals before & after it. I like to reverse the in-EQ & the out-EQ to boost the less distorted frequencies & cut the more distorted ones.
I have five over drives three boosts and one fuzz. And continue to stack them in different positions to get different sounds and tones. Amongst the other pedals and pedal boards. It just never ends…😬
Thank you guys
I'd be delighted to see similar kind of video about amps. What are the primary sounds and styles, what amps fall in each category etc.
Thank you guys for the laughs. It makes the world brighter.
17:45 I think that sacrilege should be using a pedal like the Klon as a clean boost. That circuit is so good, it needs to be pushed into overdrive to really shine!
Yes, it’s insane to me people are using it as a clean boost. The clipping sound I get out of it in my setup is addictive. There are certainly better options for clean boosts as well…
Do you guys put the Klon before ODs or after towards the end of your chain?
Thanks guys for this episode! Convinced me to ditch the EQ (EQD Tone Job) I was using as a mid/gain boost into my primary overdrive (JHS Superbolt) in favor of running the Superbolt into a Vertex Ultraphonix. Gain stacking wins over boosting into dirt. So it goes now for gain staging Golden fleece Fuzz - Superbolt - Ultraphonix - Ego Comp - boost at the end of the chain ala the Empress Buffer +
Also. Always felt the minimum were a fuzz. A mid hump. A flat EQ crunch. And a boost.
Its so awesome that my you guys released this video the day that my D&M arrived!! I'm so happy :))
Thank you for buying one - hope you love it!
The possibilities get exponential the more pedals you use.
1 pedal: A
2 pedals: A, B, AB, BA
3 pedals: A, B, C, AB, AC, ABC, ACB, BA, BC, BAC, BCA, CA, CB, CBA, CAB.
-1 for not listing all 2432902008176640000 possible ways to combine 20 pedals.
@@OtherTheDave I will but how many increments shall I include for each knob?
@@alanredversangel I’m pretty sure quantum mechanics means that there aren’t actually an infinite number of increments, so… all of them.
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Often, even if I'm enjoying a video, I forget to "like" it.
That opening salvo of awesomeness instantly reminded me.
FYI: Dan & Mick aren't rubbing your rhubarb - the D&M Drive is magnificent.
Nineteen overdrives and a Hiwatt? Hell yeah! This is why I watch TPS!
Too much? To own ? The answer is a hearty “as many as you want”, cause there’s always a flavor you may want. On a board? Whatever’s working best for you (I tend to stack a max of three gains…most often two). I love you glorious lads and I hope you’re well; see you Monday.
Also: Here in Canada, I've also heard pallets called skids.
My band mates thought I was mad when I recently added a 3rd OD to my board...now they love it
Mick's Tufnel moment "When everything's on 10 and really cooking and you step on your boost pedal and nothing happens" ........but this one goes to 11
I was thinking the same thing.
I'm frankly impressed That Tangent Show got through all these pedals in just an hour! 😉 Please do a showcase on Wide Range Humbuckers now that Dan has that amazing Longbottom guitar!
Q: How many overdrives do you need?
A: Yes.
Very interested in the Gearbox. My current gain stack is Klon->Boost->MIAB (bookended by a fuzz and a RAT that I don't tend to stack much), so the new Wampler is two thirds of that in an enclosure the size of my RYRA, with a "loop" to stick my Spark Mini in between to goose the Pinnacle. The Morning Glory is also on my "really nice to have" list.
These Guys will go down in History as The Grand Masters of The Golden Age of Guitar Pedals!
a Nobels ODR 1 is my favorite OD! Then a 90s RAT for my heavier needs. I am a happy camper !
This has got to be one of my fave shows! Thanx
17:37 Which is exactly why I don't understand that most people use a Klon as a booster. Using such a nicely engineered and designed topology as a boost is basically a waste of gain imho. Get a $60 treble booster and give the Klon to your bandmate who needs a nice overdrive. :)
F*'n love a cranked Klon
It’s actually a very simple equation.
X (current # of OD pedals) + Y (# of desired OD pedals) = Z (correct # of OD pedals)😁
Love your videos like this. They’re like a master class on the use of pedals.
Thanks
Plus one more, always. :)
How well timed! My partner (an amateur guitarist who just plinks around on their Tele occasionally) genuinely turned around to me just as we were about to get into bed last night and said "Why are there so many types of Overdrive, why can't there just be one that does it all". I think Carl Longbottom may have been able to hear my head explode all the way in Geordie-land. Safe to say there was then another half an hour of me explaining the different types of gain and why digital overdrive isn't where I would like it to be for it to be in my sound (and most of the guitarists that I look up to sound - Dave Simpson being a very clear example of one of the ones using digital OD) - I think they may have regretted saying anything at all...!
It made me laugh, although I'm not as far north as you
I've done digital processors, But the old designs really take me to what my heros used in my case anyway.I'm so jealous that I can't share it more.
Yes, how you use the pedal, and what you're trying to achieve. These types of shows always remind me of the same two things: 1) a database I've built over the years that contains recordings and samples of hundreds and hundreds of overdrive pedals. Yes, I said hundreds and hundreds; 2) That said, I only own two (2) pedals that I consider my "overdrive" pedals: Blackstone Appliances Mosfet Overdrive (aka the BAMO), and the Hudson Broadcast. That's it. I've been able to achieve everything I've ever needed with these two live or in a studio recording environment.
Given the relative plasticity of terms as they are used here, I would further add that I have only 1 pedal that self-identifies as specifically a "Fuzz" pedal. It has a "shit-ton" of head room and variac functionality. So a possible total of 3 pedals then....
Great episode👍 personally, I stack my fuzz into a fuzz, just before the last 2 fuzzes. Sometimes if I need a little more, I’ll add a fuzz up front.
Yes. Yes and yes my kind sir.
Thanks gents, great show, perfect timing. I'm working on a pedalboard with room for three gain stages for a gig. I recently acquired a Benson preamp which is great fun, but trying to work it in and get tones I need is a puzzle, and I would like to use the guitar volume for cleanup. You reminded me of several factors-especially not losing volume when adding a pedal. Fodder for my experiments!
Haha, proper Mad Professor stuff from Dan, there. The pure glee was a joy to behold ‘o)
My thought is this for home players that like less volume and play hard rock- Single stage preamp low watt tube amp with moderate gain
Whenever I use overdrive my logic follows using the pickups selector to my advantage:
Using a
Stage 1 (Clean, no OD pedal): My neck puckup is completely clean, and the bridge position breaks the amp up a bit.
Stage 2: Klon/Morning glory style drive
Neck pickup sounds like the "clean" bridge position, but with a bit more gain.
Bridge Pickup sounds like it is starting to get into tube screamer territory.
Stage 3: Klon/MG + tube screamer style pedal
Neck Pickup starts to get into lead territory, but can be used as a rhythm tone in "soft" rock
Bridge Pickup can be used a the lead tone in "soft" rock, or a rhythm tone in hard rock
Stage 4: OCD or Rat style pedal
Neck is a lead tone that is not as piercing at the neck pickup
Bridge is then used as a rhythm metal tone or ear-piercing lead if I need it (but still fitting within the venue's mix).
Pedal chain: MG-->TS-->DS
I might sometimes have a boost but only if the setlist requires me to have a tone higher than the full on distorted one. However, I just use the MG's red remote switch to get that boost.
The middle position is a wild card for me, but I find myself never really using the middle position on a 3 single coil or 2 HB guitar.
Sorry for the long read, but just wanted to share this because I get so many tones out of this strategy and lets me have so many stages if the band needs the energy.
Whomever did the pedal masking (or what it’s called) gets MVP for this episode. Learned a bunch on this one, gents. Thank you.
We offer thanks to Simon, god of masking.
how attain that elusive "lonely squeaky swing set in abandoned park" sound - plug Tele into ten overdrive pedals and rock the volume knob on Tele.
I love this channel!! Thank you both so very much for such wonderful content. I watch this show religiously I can’t praise these two enough. I have almost been playing guitar for a solid year and I have enjoyed myself immensely. I can’t think of two many days where I haven’t practiced and I am constantly improving. I am not a natural I doubt I will ever be be as good as you all, but I sure enjoy trying.
Thanks for this video, guys. I sometimes get self conscious about having a fuzz, treble booster, and 4 overdrives on one board, but this makes me feel ok about it. Did I mention that two of the drives are dual drives…so maybe I am crazy….or maybe…..I need MORE!?
It's a simple answer; X = N+1/T (where N is current no. of overdrives owned, T is 1 Month, and X is correct no. of overdrives you should own). Jeez, I thought we knew this stuff already? Great video guys. As Always I greatly appreciate the time and effort that goes into these videos. And the hat. I appreciate the hat.
How about a "50 shades of gain" T-shirt? I'd buy it.
Friday night, a few bottles of Duvel, TPS on YT, and all's right with the world. FWIW, this episode I sorely need. Having avoided dirt boxes for years, I'm now falling down the rabbit hole. Cheers, chaps, and keep up the good work.
Hooray! Enjoy! Duvel is a brave person’s beer. Discerning.
I’d like to see you guys put all your pedals into a randomizer and see what you would come up with from those selected. May have to do it by category, but who knows!
Or you could do a “Try my rig” feature. Where people send in what they use and we get to see what kind of sounds you can get out of it.
@@WhatsUpWhitey and @That Pedal Show - can we not encourage people to do a max 5 minute rig demo for the Facebook 'That Pedal Show Fans' group?
Hello Dan and Mick,
I started watching TPS about six months ago and I love it , maybe obsessively so. At the moment Iam up to 43 pedals most of which are overdrives and distortion pedals. I had to stop and think that maybe I need something dofferent like reverb, cjorus delay, tremolo etc. I am hooked I cannot stop. Boys, fuzz s not all I need, I need more!
Thankyou for a great show which is informative and entertaining.
AK
Cheers Alex, and welcome 🤗
I'm now looking at the dozen drive pedals that aren't on my board right now... I'm going to need a bigger power supply... and a pallet!
I have 6 OD’s on my board and love them all. I usually stack between 2 & 3 together. You should do a poll on this.
dont stack overdrives serially but in parallel! i can't say that enough. serially you ll get mostly the sound of the last one, in parallel both are well represented, without adding gain (with some mixers you can mix even three overdrives!). Plus you can still put an overdrive after your parallel mixer, if you really need to serially stack them, or you can stack two overdrives serially in the loops you mix in parallel!
And how do you recommend running them in parallel?
@@huffazilla Boss LS-2 (A+B selection)
I don’t like going to work on Fridays. But I do like GOING to work on Fridays because I get to watch the latest episode of TPS. Cheers from the Big Apple.
You know what? These shows are great for sure. But I really miss the good old ”Pick ’n’ Mix” shows. Every show doesn’t have to be on a specific subject. I really enjoy the ”here is some new pedals we’ve come over and here is our thoughts”-vibe.
With that said: HOLY CR@P Dan!! The hat, the Hiwatt Cab with matching Flannel, and that ’65 Tele. Looks amazing!
Pick N Mix views were too low vs the cost of making the shows unfortunately.
Turns out many people just thought we were trying to sell them stuff! It’s a shame because we liked em too!
@@ThatPedalShow Oh man people…
i agree. i just want to hear a bunch of pedals in one go!
@@ThatPedalShow I agree, the varied pedal reviews are/were great.
Perhaps being well established now, maybe the viewers are more in phase with you guys now that they won't think you're trying to directly sell them?
Ok the palet as a pedalboard is absolutely fitting the theme of this episode spot on! 😂
Thx to this episode, I placed my gain stages like this: green big muff-NRG poker -Okko Diablo plus, using the treble booster to lift the fuzz for solos, and before the overdrive to heavy rythme, then the “+ “ side of the Diablo is lifting everything again when needed.
Thx again guys!! 👍🏻 cheers!
Sweeet! Nice one Marco!
Josh Scott is totally going to make a "50 Shades Of Gain" musical now, isn't he?
Ha! Probably.
@@ThatPedalShow but first he will kill you for using the Klone as a boost :-) :-) :-)
@@locationbacklinepianos7312 The Klon (klone) does it's best work as a colored boost/always on, IMO. Its more saturated OD aspects are covered about as well by other pedals that are much cheaper. But the tone enhancement it adds to an amps' cleans...unmatched.
@@donkeydarko77 best delete that comment, or Josh will be coming for you too!
But does he "Have the box"?
Ha!! The craziest board we’ve ever seen on TPS. Including the magnificent wet-dry-wet pedal shed rig. Great sounds!
my 2021 gain stages are effectrode red bottle (tube boost), Earthquaker Park Fuzz (tone bender), King of Tone and a Kingtone Soloist. Might be adding a Greer southland or Jam Rattler. Gain staging is so much fun
Yes! This works for us Justin. :0)
50 shades of gain= Fulltone Soulbender 2 V2, the volume control on my guitar, into an amp at the threshold of clip or more, goes from clean to totally fuzzed out depending on the volume level on the guitar combined with playing dynamics!! Cheers, guys, great show as always!!
Yeah nice!
Coming from an O’D you can never have too many OD’s 👀
You can argue that some have had one OD to many
Coming from an OD OG
Just ask Nikki Sixx
The search for overdrive tone never ends, for me is maybe THE pedal i always want to try another and is the more personal.
I got a BB Preamp over a decade ago and have not bought another overdrive since. I wish I could say the same about fuzz pedals...
Timmy type for me.
The best explanation of clipping I've ever heard was to think of the tube or transistor or diode- whatever it is that's doing the clipping- as a literal tube or pipe. Now imagine the sign wave going into the pipe and being cut off and the top and bottom so it fits- you can see that the larger the amplitude of the wave is that enters that pipe- the more of it that gets cut off and the squarer and wider each peak is when it comes out the other end. And vice versa- the smaller the amplitude is, it just barely cuts off the top and bottom leaving sort of rounded peaks- not so squared off, not so wide and flat at the peaks. You can also see that the size of the opening of your imaginary pipe really matters to- the smaller it is, the more it cuts off and squares everything that goes through it- the larger, the more you have to increase the amplitude to make it clip anything- this is headroom. A large pipe creates a lot of headroom- and small one creates very little headroom- this is very easy to remember because you can think of it like standing up inside a physical pipe- the bigger it is the more room your head has- right? This is why in America valves are called "tubes"- because of this analogy.
Sorry for the interruption- we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
Ugh I just love the BD-2. Sounds so amazing even on its own.
I've had mine since I was 18 just recently decided to have Keeley mod (30 now) done to it my god what a pedal is all I can say.
Your volume on guitar rolls off perfectly an it cleans up brilliantly. That stacked with TS9 is just utter perfection 🤙.
Great show guys! My wood or fitter workers always tell me I have no fit. Ok really metal and woodwork are not my thing.
Really shows what the G2/G3 can do with re-arranging the pedals in an order to make X sound.
Mick with a Les Paul is a revelation.
I played one show with three distortions, one overdrive and an octave fuzz running at the same time, AFTER a compressor, into a Sunn Solarus. It did what I needed it to do.
omg that first shot of the pedal board is hilarious.
"50 Shades of Gain" got to be your next t-shirt!! 😍 I will buy at least two ✌️
I’m thinking about getting the Chase Bliss Automatone and combining it with the Kernom Ridge. I haven’t seen that done yet! Lots of options!
Exactly what I was thinking, but my bank account says no
That Pedal Arena Show - a proper 5000+ arena show of just you two guys doing a regular 2 hour show like this one.