Lisa has gained many more new fans, she is most popular and successful in her own right. Her career has soared and Lisa will continue to go from strength to strength. All the best to her 💖
@@MajoCardona i dont really think this was a mistake. It would be a mistake if she was sad etc that she did it / regret doing it. She seems happy that she did it. For HER its not a mistake
Just because she is an adult doesn't mean she has to be an onlyfans idol. Kids like you should learn west is a dirty culture. Remain in Thai and Korean culture.
@bigjohncena6986 it's fine losing fans, if it mean that shes enjoying herself. She doesn't need to entertain people who aren't mature enough to understand
@@johnmarkson1990i don’t stan lisa or even agree with what goes on in crazy horse but, she can do whatever she wants. if u don’t wanna support her, nobody’s stopping u.
@@monopoly14 people like you will always suppport these kpop idol doesnt matter what they do , just because you become adult doesnt mean you can do anything
I attended Lisa’s very first Crazy Horse show and I will be happy to tell all of you what it was like if you are interested. Yes, by pure coincidence I was in Paris that week to see Aespa in concert (I flew down from Stockholm, Sweden where I live) so I immediately snagged a pair of tickets to Lisa’s Crazy Horse show when she announced it. Lisa did NOT, I repeat: Lisa did NOT, “strip” at all. The other female performers at the Crazy Horse were topless in SOME of their dances and even one of the MALE dancers was “almost naked”, but Lisa wore outfits that were nearly identical to the type of clothes she wears in BlackPink concerts. Yep, they were definitely a bit more revealing than her B.P. outfits but not by much. She didn’t expose any part of her body that anyone considers “nudity”. This show was more about showcasing her ability to do a dramatically different type of music. She danced to traditional French cabaret songs which sound nothing like the modern Pop and Rap that we are used to seeing her perform. She looked gorgeous and was definitely sexy on that tiny stage in front of just 220 people and my girlfriend and I were lucky to have been seated in the 2nd row just 8 seats over from Rosé and Jisoo! But the 5 songs that Lisa did NOT involve nudity whatsoever. Haters gonna hate though. 🤷♂️
Thank you for posting your experience. You are right haters will hate. And to be honest a lot of the haters are uneducated when it comes to cabaret performances. Again thank you.
Thank you for posting your experiences! I have attended show 4 (second to last show) and I saw Jennie arrive for the last show. I can absolutely second what you've written. Lisa has not been indecent (what is usually considered as such) at any time. Her performance was captivating, she was stunning! Especially in "Crisis? What crisis?" she had everyone mesmerized, she expressed the feeling extremely well. Definately a night to remember forever! :)
She didn't have to strip herself in order for people to take issue with this. That's quite obvious. She performed at a cabaret and some performances were with almost naked women, she was photographed with so many topeless women and thats not something her fanbase wouldve liked. Yes she is an adult and can make her own choices but people also have a right to dislike those choices and find a new idol.
She didn't lose fans... it's just haters doing what they always did... using misogyny to justify their hate. CH's performances were only watched by BLINKS, it was a performance for the fans. the majority were women watching, it's said through the reports of those who were present and from the CH itself who said the intention was to bring a female audience. Burlesque shows are artistic and several pop singers have already used the burlesque show of CH, like Beyoncé, Christina Aguilera.
lol pls i love bp but what she did went against alot of boundaries she did it while in an industry full of minors the only ppl defending her is her adult fans, well im an adult but i dont support bc literaly so many children look up to her since shes literally been on CHILDREN SHOWS and some of their songs are rated 13+ like d4. isk i cant be with her on this one
@@Rune_llit exactly 13+ reality check here. 13+ know more than you think. Trust me when I say grades between 5th and 8th they know more than you think and I am sure they've done things as well. So you go ahead and live in fantasy land where kids are innocent as you want them to be. But realistically, in the real world, they know more than you think. 😏
Is this the same Lisa that just crossed 100M on Instagram, who’s song just topped 1B on Spotify, who’s Christmas song cover went viral, who’s been featured more on Celine and Bulgari, and who just landed her solo performance at a major Paris event? We need to be serious, the few minor “fans” (primarily in China and Korea) are nowhere near the size of her actual fans across the globe who love and support her decision, especially in Europe, North and South America, and Southeast Asia. We need to be serious here, these are people who feel entitled to Lisa and feel like she should do only what they want her to do. They just want to shame her - and I’m glad that she refuses to pay them any mind, something that I wish more idols would start doing. Boundaries need to be set, otherwise neitzens will continue to think their dehumanizing behavior is ok. Lisa has always been a free spirited, talented, and confident young woman, and she will not allow these people to control her life, her career and certainly not her body.
exactly, agreed with all of this. Especially "losing fans" lol--which is laughable considering the numbers, and it clearly comes off as people making a mountain out of a molehill because they want to attach her name to wrong-doing/scandal. No idol is perfect but the "backlash" on this one is forced.
😂 This site gets a ridiculous amount of hits and interaction everytime it leads with Lisa. This video is just business. The person behind it knows who the break-out global star will be from the Blackpink solo era, and is trying to attract those sweet clicks.
She's a grown @ss woman and can do as she pleases. It was a dance performance with less clothing for artistic effect. She was covered and didn't reveal much. Her stylists had BP in booty shorts and their cheeks were hanging out. She is young, talented, famous, possibly dating a billionaire. Whatever Lisa, you do you and ignore the criticism. Gosh, focus on your own lives. Let others live theirs.
Now so many people think she is a stripper how about you let the people who made her popular talk instead she isn't doing it right kids watch her does no body know what a kpop idols mean it's supposed to be for kids not for adults but of course she is changing it
And let her live as a porn star?! She knows that most of her fans are minors just image her fans looking this, they would try to be just like her I mean ofc her fans look up to her. And in my opinion what lisa is doing rn is just not it. I don't support lisa participanting in crazy horse, I'm sorry but this was the most shitest thing she has done and ik that she can do better LIKE A LOT BETTER, just not some nudity shit like this LIKS HELL NAA
"Shes not a good example for kids" SHES NOT THEIR BABYSITTER. Maybe YOU take care of what YOUR fricking kid sees instead of blaming another person for not being a good parent?
and no kids are allowed at crazy horse? lisa knows the age limit and took it anyway plus it was a private event not even a single one of lisa's performance were seen in public it was only pictures that lisa posted was the only glimpse we saw
@@rusher0015That still doesn't excuse the hate she gets........ for example, I'm assuming you ult BTS ,,kids and teenagers are also majority of BTS fans but yet y'all didn't react this much at their sensual lyrics/performances. It's like it only becomes an issue because of Lisa, if she's painted as a bad example then in reality the entire industry is.......
@@rusher0015that’s the parents fault then. If they thought the group was not for children’s eyes they should step in. It’s their jobs. Blackpink was never promoted as a cute group for kids. They have always worn sexy outfits and done mv with sensual moves. Not to mention their lyrics. The group always targeted young adults. Who are more than equipped to know their boundaries and don’t need to be babysat. Why is everyone so damn shocked all of a sudden??!! It blows my mind.
i love the fact that she did the show bc like she clearly wanted to do it, and it was a passion for her like dance is her passion,, for "fans" to shame her like that is disgusting
It's not disgusting for people to hate hate isn't bad you just look at it bad because you don't like it but hate can help people she is a kpop Idol not a stripper or a Western singer/dancer she needs to keep her kpop idol image if she wants to stay like that
@@ashrayadayal Nah it just doesn’t happen. Male idols in fact do not strip. They show skin, yes. They wear clothes that reveal their chest, yes. But they don’t put on shows in their underwear. Also for the record, I don’t “like it”, I’m religious so I don’t like it, doesn’t mean I won’t defend them against unnecessary hate.
I think the comparison of the disney actors is quite accurate. Lisa isn't just cute or just talented shes also sexy and an adult. She cab do what she wants. I think it's great that she's doing more out of what people expect. Also she looled very very good in the performance. I absolutely loved the looks of it.
Unfortunately for her it is not excepted in her country as it well should not and the fans have every right to be disappointed without them she would not be squat, that is the rules of the game in the music business in Korea like anything nasty and evil goes here. This is coming from one of the first female heavy metal singers, I could not afford to show sexy I was walking into a man's world and I would have been accused of using my packages instead of talent. Did not care to anyway it is not what talent is about it is the less talented who do push BS.
@@himaririku9254You can repeat everywhere you go and in people's video about Stray Kids, they are not king of anything, only your king and king in their own house, Ok? Byr
she may be loosing fans but she is still gaining more all lisa ever wants is to live a life that she wants as she stated numerous times she wants to do a lot of things she wants to do now that she not under YG anymore she has the opportunity to do what she wants as long as she is happy and shes still successful and loved and supported worldwide btw regardless the hate she gets still gaining alot more newer ones
She's almost thirty but a lot of people expect her to have a "teenager" concept. LOL. She's a true artist and people should let her live. The girl is exploring what fits her.
you ann0ying kid how many times did we tell you to stop cuz skz will get hate bcuz of you do you remember that person who said "ppl will get ann0yed and starts hating on skz saying your fans are ann0ying" i mean its okay for you to say that but dont say it on every vid you see say it on skz videos@@himaririku9254
Don’t become a fan of an ADULT if you’re going to get offended when they do ADULT things Children need to know their place, they don’t get to dictate another persons life just because they’re a fan And any adult complaining about Lisa’s choices needs to log off and get a life of their own because it’s giving PATHETIC
Honestly, I'm not hating solely on Lisa. Lisa is only a part of the huge, giant, world-wide influencers in the world. I blame all these people for promoting these kinds of indecency. Now, you all, are also promoting and supporting these inappropriate acts. Happily, in your little bubbles. I hate our generation. People are making stripping normal when it shouldn't be. There's something wrong with people's minds. Nowadays everybody is supporting sensuality and indecency. And people ask why they can't find pure love anymore. And they ask why the 90s seem happier. And they ask why all things is all about s*x. And y'all can't see it. This is hopeless. The world is doomed. How far will we go down this blackhole?
Lisa still on top of Weibo trend when she's got some gigs, some of Chinese people may not like what she did at CH but most of them still interesting about her and the population of SK is 51 M , less than her ig followers that's why Lisa still the most popular in Kpop even SK-netizen don't like her because she's beloved from the world. There's some people want to discriminate her from her nationality, her appearance, her talents and take benefit from her kindness but there still have so many people supporting her.
There are so many things within your control that you can focus on lmao your day to day activities, your blood pressure, your overall health/wellness, what you eat/drink/think/etc. What you cannot do is hyper-fixate on how other people choose to live their lives. I mean, I suppose you can - it's just fruitless. Trying to control other people always is. 😂
I think it’s so weird that a grown ass woman has children telling her what she can and can’t do. Honestly Lisa, RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE KPOP INDUSTRY AND NEVER LOOK BACK lol. She can do whatever she wants. She’s a GROWN woman. This is what happens when you constantly infantilize a music industry.
It's so weird that some dumb person that Just because they r adults they have no consequence and accountibility..they think that just because adults do then it's right thing .and giving logic of kpop idols who die for western validation giving such sh*t of choice..this d**b literally forgot the way ur mindset is ..u make choices like this.and everyone knows how BP die for western validation and how they dance well in America an d where there's energy go in Asia.. typical western fans
I find it weird that an adult who looks like a teenager is putting out such an explicit, segsual image of herself to the public - and I'm not talking about Crazy Horse, which was private as everybody is free to do whatever they want in private, but the pole dancing in her solo music video and on blackpink concert solo stages, to the twerking she's been doing with Jennie. Nobody questions the ethics of it all and how the me di a is bending the boundaries of what's a minor and what's not and who's allowed to present themselves in explicit manner (like is this not fodder for p##dos?)....
its a good thing she lost those fans ......she doesnt need such fans who only see her as a doll that will do whatever they say ... she is a grown woman she can live her life as she wants .... i really dont see any reason for her getting this much hate ... her clothes were also normal ..... when knetizens see someone is not their doll anymore that they can control ..... they go after them hating without any reason .... they get delulu watching men idol rip off their shirt on stage but when an female adult woman wear any short dress .. they insult her every way possible ......sick mentality people ....
Lisa has gained a fan in me, in fact, I've decided to create my own fan account just for her. I will support her Solo career and anything she wishes to pursue in the future. I am actually a Blink, and my bias is Lisa, but I love her just as much as the whole group, so in a way, I stan Blackpink and Lisa separately. She's now more than just a bias to me.
Gosh I feel like people have been talking about the same thing lately for the past month, Lisa and the crazy show performance. I honestly don’t think she or blackpink cares about there reputations because at the end of the day they know fans will support them…let’s move on to better topics.
If someone doesn't like what she did then unstan her and unfollow her on social media and move on. Don't start hating on her and continue the same hate speech for months after the show happened, it just makes that person look pathetic. 😑
And she is a public figure and one of the most well-known idols today. People are free to criticize her actions. Yall are like "she couldn't care less" and then go insane defending her as if she was your sister. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should or that people can't voice their opinion on it.
@@it.girlismvoicing own opinions is another things cause I bet she doesn’t care she is just drinking coffee at the moment with billions on her account n yet here are peoples being jobless on internet belonging from poor family’s n having the audacity to even have an opinion lmao I bet they should have an opinion on global warming instead of Lisa fame
@@it.girlismwell, in that case, my opinión is that haters can cry and shout!!! I think they need to buy a life!! Cause they are frustrated!!! Thats my opinion!! How about that?? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
She can do whatever she wants. But she can’t act all surprised if her Korean fans unstan her. Korean isn’t a raunchy culture in general so she needs to respect that and honour it as she isn’t in her home/western country. That being said, I’m glad she’s doing whatever she wants and needs to completely give up Blackpink/Korea and move on to things she wants to pursue.
I love the idol who is strong enough to never show weakness on camera when facing the scandalous moment. Jisoo and Lisa are a very view idol that just really strong in my opinion. Even when being torn apart by the media they will just show up in the next morning with smile and going around with their lives, never being affected by the negativity, and never given the satisfaction to the haters for hating them. This is also why most of their rumor and scandal would not last long, because those people could get nothing from this girls no matter how bad the situations would get. They ain't giving you any drama from their own life, and won't be played around by your words either.
Tbh I'm more interested in how Thailand feels about this. No one has talked about the perception of the Thai people. It's been common knowledge that she has been beloved in Thailand and has more or less been the top celebrity from there so what are their thoughts on this?
I'm Thai and an adult. Personally, i think for the conservative person might feel annoyed by what Lisa did but majority of ppl we still think it's acceptable. Not that i agree nor oppose by her choice.
Guess what she wouldn't have that money if it wasn't for fans and ok she is 26 your basically saying she can do anything because she is 26 like no she is a kpop idol and that all she has so she needs to do it correctly
I'm always going to love Lisa ❤ She introduced me to K-pop and saved my life ❤ I'll always be cheering her on. Not because she's an "idol," but because she has every damn right to chase her dreams ❤ I love you, LiLi ❤
When people don’t know something or know it in a certain way they become ignorant and shame others. Unlearn and relearn. Growing up I thought pole dancing was associated with stripping (nothing wrong with that btw) because of what I heard and saw but as I get older is it is an art form, a sport. We have to be open minded. Just because your mind sexualizes something doesn’t mean it’s sexual or it’s intention is to be sexual. The human body if you get your mind out of the gutter is literal art cause there’s nothing like it. Of course there is a time and place for everything but I think Lisa is doing her best. I think Lisa is embracing her femininity and looking into new aesthetics and experiences. She’s grown bruh and she isn’t her job. She’s Lisa.
Pole dancing takes a lot of strength! Jimin, from BTS, has done pole dancing and I don't see the type of hate Lisa has gotten. But on a serious note, i wonder how this people feel when they see a kdrama actor take off his shirt and do a sex scene? Lol is it more like 🙈🙉🙊😱 or 😁😁😗🤪🤯😳😶🌫️
All the hype about "backlash" and lost fans feels like mediaplay to harm Lisa's image atp. It's realistically just a few antis running to report on/jump on the hate train and they're exaggerating it because they're excited to talk about scandals. She actually has a large amount of mature fans outside of kpop stans who definitely don't care or even know about crazy horse.
It's not mediaplay, it's how the media commonly reacts to scandal - in west it's actually coveted bc all press is good press mentality, and that even negative press is considered good. Celebs like the Kardashians don't care about any backlash so long as people are talking about them. For all you know this was pr's marketing strategy as Lisa sets eyes on the western market. Just look at Jennie and her role on the idol. It's no doubt tyat they've got western pr people giving them advice on their careers
Omg yes people dont understand that blackpink or lisa is not there to entertain kids blackpink is not a kids group or whatsoever why should they care abt the younger audiences? The younger kids should know that this is not age appropriate or the parents should stop them from watching all this kinds stuff just imo no hate 💗😊
I think the main problem is not that she did a stripped performance, like who cares is 2024 . To me the problem is that she was the one asking for that spot in that cabaret which means that she wasn’t in demand like her fans said. Plus that audience in that club were old rich white men that went there to fetishized an Asian woman that they don’t even know let’s be honest. And the hypocrisy of her fans that stay all day accusing other idols of western validation for doing music in English but your girl serving white men a club! Y’all pick and choose. And don’t tell me “she was there to show her talent “ nobody there remembers if she did good or not let’s be real.
Respectfully to clarify one thing you said. She NEVER stripped. She never showed her bare top or bottom. She basically wore a bikini type costume. Other then that I will agree with you. ✌️ just to add...i think she went there to honestly dance. A dance that she wouldn't be able to do elsewhere. I personally think deep inside she just wanted to perform something sexy. I mean her Lilifim 3 came pretty close, but she just wanted to push it further. It's a performers mentality mixed with a tinge of rebellion.
People keep on saying ‘But she has so many young fans!’ The fact that the young fans are watching this are the parents fault. Lisa wasn’t the one who searched it up on their devices, she isn’t the one who purposely popped up on their FYP. If they see it, the can skip it. Some teenage fans are old enough to realise the isn’t suitable for them and for younger fans, blame the parents. Lisa is an adult and if she wants to do it, it’s her own choice. She’s breaking boundaries and a lot of her fans including me, are here for it.
I think they are fake because I see many tweets about decreasing her insta followers and lilies are concerned about this and they are trying hard to make accounts and follow her while her insta followers actual decrease
sorry but insta followers dont really mean much, at least not anymore. its so easy to fake them and its obvious that people make multiple accounts. her followers in relation to her average likes is really suspicious too and dont add up. its a lot of 'ghost' followers. obviously she still has a lot of fans but followers, especially on instagram where people just follow anyone for looking aesthetic, isnt the best way to measure her actual fame or the size of her actual fanbase.
The problem is people can't distinguish the difference between a cabaret show vs a strip club. They don't bother learning about it. 2nd they see the performance as a, negative narrative the west has put upon them do to past wars. Negative because of pass wrongs that was done to the women. Women had to earn a living somehow and sex work was the only way to either survive or help their families. Historically the people that are upset are correct, but what they don't see is the roll of a perpetual victim mentality they tend to hold. Unable to change the narrative from a negative to something more positive. Not to say or erase what was done but more like yes it happened to us, we wont forget but we wont let be what defines us, type of a thing. I hope that made sense lol. 🙏
I cant support her because some blinks are very young and seeing their idol doing this is unacceptable , yes she is a grown woman and she can perform at Crazy Horse but i am only talking about what her and Jennie wear in concerts when some young blinks come to see them and especially when those blinks come with their parents. No hate to Jennie or Lisa, Love them💕💕
A mom and her daughter went and she left with her daughter because the dances and performances werent age appropriate....now thats being a mom!!! A responsible parent whos job is to raise and guide their children ....thats not BP or any of the girls role....they have no children....they are performers and their music and style wasnt for children in the first place, plus as an artist gets older, their concept may and many times become more mature.
lol its not the moms fault if lisa has been on multiple children shows and danced w minors and alowed children like chiquita to go in anyways. ur just a simp@@multistan9582
It's really sad that society has convinced women that In order for people to treat them as adults, they have to get naked. Getting naked and dressing provocatively does not equal you being confident.
What just happened with her nowadays? She is already damn rich and can make money in a good way, but what is this? No matter how much we defend her, a real Queen doesn't need to strip herself to show she's a Queen, even if i love Lisa i'll not support this.
I already knew that she would do this someday it was pretty clear when she started to wear shorts with half her butt out but i cant say iam disappointed because i wasn't really a fan of her to begin with ofcorse she can do whatever she want we are not someone to hate her because of it if you don't like what she does just dont support her or follow her but don't hate her👍
They see themselves as victims of pass wrongs. Historical wrongs and narratives. Sadly they can't see pass that and see themselves as perpetual victims, victims of the pass. This people, instead of taking a negative and turn it into something positive they focus on the neg. Lisa saw it as 1 a dancer, a performance apportunity, and 2 the aability to take something, in her eyes negative, and turn it into something positive, to take control of the narrative. She did it on her own terms and it was her choice and not someone elses puttinf on her. The misogyny mentality in that part of the world runs deep. I mean just look at how their so called 🤴 treats his past wives? That's just 1 example. In Korea and China they have the comfort women, that were taken advantage by the japanese during the war. Japan still refuses to acknowledge their wrongs why? To safe face...for the men's decisions. All rooted in misogyny.
People need to wake the hell up and realize we live in the 21st century not 1576, Lisa is a grown ass woman who can do as she wants and pleases. What’s so wrong with her embracing herself and her body, she deserves to do things she WANTS to do.
There's a say in here-- It's good to have freedom but not perversion. You have to maintain some of the etiquettes of the society because you live in it. You don't want to?? Go anywhere else
actling like she killed your family shes a grown ahh woman do you want her to act like a baby? do you want to control her life? and im pretty sure that you hate hyein cuz shes young@@Rune_llit
lol bro dont say what u dont know bc im literally a nj fan and hyein is my bias wrecker, i dont like lisa for that very reason tho bc shes doing this why in an industry full of minors like hyein and they might become exposed bc of how inspirational lisa is@@abdoalhallak3781
and id be ok if shes in the american industry but the korean industry is highly judgemental and they strive to be as conservative as possible @@abdoalhallak3781
I really love the narrative of this video, lisa is a grown woman and she can do whatever she was. I don't even understand why ppl are sad and mad like thats her choice what to do with her career?? Netizens love to infantilize idols to the point where they forget they infact are not angels and have free will
Yet her follower count and streams are still increasing. Shedding a few fans is no big deal. South Koreans have never supported her solo activities anyway and have always said vile things about her because of her heritage. This woman is almost 30 years old. Clearly, she's going to do what she wants and good for her. I hope she continues to make people mad. She's beyond K-pop at this point.
Lisa can do whatever she wants. But that doesn't mean whatever she's doing is right. She's a public figure and her work will get either praise or criticism. That's one of the foundametal term of showbiz. And criticism and praise both should be on professional level. Criticism and hate have thin line. No one should cross it. I personally didn't give thumbs up to her crazy horse performance. Acc to me these type of clubs should be banned. Modernization and vulgarity are two different thing. Don't confuse both. Anyway the amount of hate lisa got for her decision is wrong. No one should get it. Talking about her character and all was totally unnecessary.
People are pathetic. She's an adult, and will forever have more money and fame than any of us ever will. If Lisa was a man, no one would be mad or turning on her.
She has the right to do whatever she wants and so do the people who are her fans. You gotta understand why some fans feel that way because they know her through kpop and kpop has a certain kind of reputation. Its totally understandable why some feel disappointed.
There's a difference between being disappointed and hating. And some have crossed the line. Maturity also plays a roll. Also I suspect historical context plays a roll as well.
I figure all of this is her choice. Not to mention if the first lady of France is not bothered by it. Let this young lady do what she wants. If you love her support her, if not just go away and follow someone else. Personally i think she is great and will stay with her and her other great members. I don't care for Black Pink but i sure love these 4 beautiful young ladies.
So men taking off their shirts isn't a problem but Lisa dancing in a unique style is? Like bro fans need to remind themselves they are not in charge of the lives of people, if she wants to dance, she can if she wants to. She's a grown woman y'all cmon.
She's a grown woman. Nothing more nothing less. I would understand all the rage if this was a child but since LaLisa is an adult it's not that.......... I understand different backgrounds and cultural differences which is fine if spoken in factual facts. Lalisa will continue to walk with her head up high. Stay strong
Lisa and Blackpink never had a “childish” image lmfao, have you heard their debut?😂 the choreography was a bit mature and there was a curse word in there 🤦♀️
Lisa wanting to perform there is her choice and she has every right to do so.. but regarding the show itself calling women empowerment doesn’t sit right with me. How is wearing revealing clothes or only bikinis or wearing nothing at all and performing in front of men an essence of women’s empowerment?? Women can wear whatever they want in their daily being comfortable and confident but especially wearing these clothes to entertain men is not women empowerment but rather degrading. Women empowerment to me is breaking glass ceiling, right to education, right to drive, right to vote and right to participate in administration and right to participate in society ( which some countries deny women from ) It’s just my subjective opinion and not everyone have to agree but I just wanna put it out there.
I would also like to add that within some companies, specifically their company, what is out of the country stays out of the country, they are allowed to do things that are legally acceptable in those countries that might not be standardly acceptable around other countries like Asian countries. Like when they leave and they come to the states, they swear they eat burgers they do all this stuff all the time because they’re not restricted to anything. Yes they still have rules regulations in some restrictions, but they’re not as heavily monitored and restricted because they’re not necessarily performing or in that country.
That's not lost . that who's never supposed to be Lisa's fans from first. just use her for k-pop image and help their favs to out of her shadows. They already leave for that benefit. so neverminded some 10 thousand gone. But Millions new fans still. After controversy today Lisa turning back to the top on Weibo and TikTok again, immortal Lisa!!
I think she enjoyed it but also seemed sad at the same time. I saw her after and she looked sad. I guess that’s also normal to feel both ways as you can’t have it all.
You know on Keeping Up With The Kardashian's when Kim lost her diamond earrings in the ocean and had a meltdown over it, and Kourtney said 'Kim, there are people who are dying' - this entire 'crazy horse scandal' has me feeling the same way. She's a grown adult, it was at a PRIVATE show, she didn't fully undress like the other dancers, she did what SHE wanted and what makes her HAPPY, she's a grown adult and oh wait she's a grown adult. With that being said please get a grip, go outside and touch some grass. Hyperfixate on something else, maybe get a cat or a dog, invest in crypto, start a blog, volunteer for the homeless, read a book...girl idc just do something that doesn't involve hating on someone you don't know
Let them be, she is her own person and can be anything she wants to be. I may not have the fandom in her group but she has the most valorous personality I’ve ever seen. So not her loss that she lost her fans cuz she got the right amounts of good people believing in her.
It's just an opportunity for haters to spread more hate. As an international fan I am, I still love her no matter what. BTW, who cares about Korean fans, KPop industry itself now only cares and caters only to international fans because that's where the money is
Lisa is an adult who can make decisions for herself but that also means that she may have to suffer consequences for said decisions. Being as big as she is, it's impossible to please 100% of her fans all the time and losing fans is nothing new for idols. tbh I don't know how I feel about this performance. If anything, I wish she would have gone all the way and done a more explicit performance as a statement to prove that the nudity in the show is truly for the sake of art and has nothing to do with how rich or famous you are. No hate for Lisa, but when a famous performer shows up in crazy horse-type shows but get to keep their clothes on it does kind of feel strange…But I do wish the best for Lisa and I hope she comes out of this stronger than ever.
Well , every action has a reaction.. She knew this was gonna happen. If she doesn't want to be a part of k-pop . That's her wish . What can we say . Her life , her choice, her consequences 🤷🤷
Lisa literally never said she cared about yalls opinion of her dancing at a private event so likewhat is your point? What is the reaction that she didn't want?
@@JoeyH-d4b I didn't say anything bad about her . And yeah to answer your point about not caring above public opinions , she is a public figure who is a successful person because the public loves her . And no one wants people to hate them and she also doesn't want the people to hate her but every action has a reaction .. her dance is going to always be too much for some people and normal for the others. Simple !
Ok i get she is old and can do what she wants but as the old woman she is she needs to accept the hate and love she recieves i am afan and i think it's a down grade to her image she is a huge star to just choose performing like this is a shame to her as an artist
Lisa loves her body and sexuality, she shown that off on her dance videos but it's still shocking to see not just idols but any celebrity to perform in crazy horse. If you don't like her decisions then Unfollow her and do not support her. Don't talk bad or insult her and her family.
Lisa has gained many more new fans, she is most popular and successful in her own right. Her career has soared and Lisa will continue to go from strength to strength. All the best to her 💖
The only fans Lisa has gained are 50 year old men sorry to say.
@@HAYYA_45atleast she has matured fans unlike ur fav hs more then 9 yr unmatured kiddos like u 😂
@@HAYYA_45 and you gained nothing
@@HAYYA_45 she lost all the annoying prudes like you :D I think that is a win
@@HAYYA_45 someone is jealous. 🍿🍿🥤🥤 woops did I say that? 😏
People really are forgetting she is adult and can do whatever the heck she wants and she DOESNT need their approval
Yeah, however she's famous, so her mistakes will be highlighted regardless
@@MajoCardona i dont really think this was a mistake. It would be a mistake if she was sad etc that she did it / regret doing it. She seems happy that she did it. For HER its not a mistake
Just because she is an adult doesn't mean she has to be an onlyfans idol. Kids like you should learn west is a dirty culture. Remain in Thai and Korean culture.
Just like the lyrics say. “I do what I want with who I like.“
Well anything that's not illegal.
Honestly Lisa is old enough to decide on her own, I admire her for standing up for herself
She lost many fans, and worse, respect.
@bigjohncena6986 it's fine losing fans, if it mean that shes enjoying herself. She doesn't need to entertain people who aren't mature enough to understand
@@johnmarkson1990i don’t stan lisa or even agree with what goes on in crazy horse but, she can do whatever she wants. if u don’t wanna support her, nobody’s stopping u.
@@monopoly14 people like you will always suppport these kpop idol doesnt matter what they do , just because you become adult doesnt mean you can do anything
@@johnmarkson1990 Then they were never fans, just casual listeners
I attended Lisa’s very first Crazy Horse show and I will be happy to tell all of you what it was like if you are interested. Yes, by pure coincidence I was in Paris that week to see Aespa in concert (I flew down from Stockholm, Sweden where I live) so I immediately snagged a pair of tickets to Lisa’s Crazy Horse show when she announced it.
Lisa did NOT, I repeat: Lisa did NOT, “strip” at all. The other female performers at the Crazy Horse were topless in SOME of their dances and even one of the MALE dancers was “almost naked”, but Lisa wore outfits that were nearly identical to the type of clothes she wears in BlackPink concerts.
Yep, they were definitely a bit more revealing than her B.P. outfits but not by much. She didn’t expose any part of her body that anyone considers “nudity”. This show was more about showcasing her ability to do a dramatically different type of music. She danced to traditional French cabaret songs which sound nothing like the modern Pop and Rap that we are used to seeing her perform.
She looked gorgeous and was definitely sexy on that tiny stage in front of just 220 people and my girlfriend and I were lucky to have been seated in the 2nd row just 8 seats over from Rosé and Jisoo! But the 5 songs that Lisa did NOT involve nudity whatsoever.
Haters gonna hate though. 🤷♂️
Thank you for posting your experience. You are right haters will hate. And to be honest a lot of the haters are uneducated when it comes to cabaret performances. Again thank you.
Thank you for posting your experiences! I have attended show 4 (second to last show) and I saw Jennie arrive for the last show. I can absolutely second what you've written. Lisa has not been indecent (what is usually considered as such) at any time. Her performance was captivating, she was stunning! Especially in "Crisis? What crisis?" she had everyone mesmerized, she expressed the feeling extremely well. Definately a night to remember forever! :)
No one cares
She didn't have to strip herself in order for people to take issue with this. That's quite obvious. She performed at a cabaret and some performances were with almost naked women, she was photographed with so many topeless women and thats not something her fanbase wouldve liked. Yes she is an adult and can make her own choices but people also have a right to dislike those choices and find a new idol.
@@urhypeboy
A shit about u here 😊
Lisa is a grown adult woman who earns her own money she can do what she wants
Booooo 🍅🍅🍅
She own Doe's money from fans and she became who she is today because of fans
If she’s a grown woman then she will also accept the fact that her decisions made many people leave the fandom its not that deep
sure if she is willing to face the consequences
the fact that you support this lol
She didn't lose fans... it's just haters doing what they always did... using misogyny to justify their hate.
CH's performances were only watched by BLINKS, it was a performance for the fans. the majority were women watching, it's said through the reports of those who were present and from the CH itself who said the intention was to bring a female audience. Burlesque shows are artistic and several pop singers have already used the burlesque show of CH, like Beyoncé, Christina Aguilera.
Bravo! Well said.
What kind of fake news is this? She stripped in front of some billionaire's son.
Burlesque is a strip show with the label "artistic" on top of it.
lol pls i love bp but what she did went against alot of boundaries she did it while in an industry full of minors the only ppl defending her is her adult fans, well im an adult but i dont support bc literaly so many children look up to her since shes literally been on CHILDREN SHOWS and some of their songs are rated 13+ like d4. isk i cant be with her on this one
@@Rune_llit exactly 13+ reality check here. 13+ know more than you think. Trust me when I say grades between 5th and 8th they know more than you think and I am sure they've done things as well. So you go ahead and live in fantasy land where kids are innocent as you want them to be. But realistically, in the real world, they know more than you think. 😏
@@ro-zeea.8734 as a 13-year-old, I agree. My mom is disgusted by my class lol
Is this the same Lisa that just crossed 100M on Instagram, who’s song just topped 1B on Spotify, who’s Christmas song cover went viral, who’s been featured more on Celine and Bulgari, and who just landed her solo performance at a major Paris event?
We need to be serious, the few minor “fans” (primarily in China and Korea) are nowhere near the size of her actual fans across the globe who love and support her decision, especially in Europe, North and South America, and Southeast Asia.
We need to be serious here, these are people who feel entitled to Lisa and feel like she should do only what they want her to do. They just want to shame her - and I’m glad that she refuses to pay them any mind, something that I wish more idols would start doing. Boundaries need to be set, otherwise neitzens will continue to think their dehumanizing behavior is ok.
Lisa has always been a free spirited, talented, and confident young woman, and she will not allow these people to control her life, her career and certainly not her body.
👏👏👏👏 preach!! 👏👏👏👏
exactly, agreed with all of this. Especially "losing fans" lol--which is laughable considering the numbers, and it clearly comes off as people making a mountain out of a molehill because they want to attach her name to wrong-doing/scandal. No idol is perfect but the "backlash" on this one is forced.
These "cute" wannabes are the same nasty ones in pvt and so they want to sanction others because they can't do what she did with confidence.
😂 This site gets a ridiculous amount of hits and interaction everytime it leads with Lisa. This video is just business. The person behind it knows who the break-out global star will be from the Blackpink solo era, and is trying to attract those sweet clicks.
Exactly!! Thank you
She's a grown @ss woman and can do as she pleases.
It was a dance performance with less clothing for artistic effect. She was covered and didn't reveal much.
Her stylists had BP in booty shorts and their cheeks were hanging out.
She is young, talented, famous, possibly dating a billionaire.
Whatever Lisa, you do you and ignore the criticism.
Gosh, focus on your own lives. Let others live theirs.
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Very artistic. You can actually go see these kinds of dances every day in gogobars in Bangkok.
Now so many people think she is a stripper how about you let the people who made her popular talk instead she isn't doing it right kids watch her does no body know what a kpop idols mean it's supposed to be for kids not for adults but of course she is changing it
@@NoelisGutierrez-n4e Please breathe and think while you form a sentence.
@@NoelisGutierrez-n4e How about you not make a burner account and make stupid comments?
people need to shut up and let her live 🙄
this channel needs to be shut down
Well she is just giving news idk why blinks target channels when they are just doing their job@realchocochoco
And let her live as a porn star?! She knows that most of her fans are minors just image her fans looking this, they would try to be just like her I mean ofc her fans look up to her. And in my opinion what lisa is doing rn is just not it. I don't support lisa participanting in crazy horse, I'm sorry but this was the most shitest thing she has done and ik that she can do better LIKE A LOT BETTER, just not some nudity shit like this LIKS HELL NAA
@@realchocochoco this channel is not responsible for anything… they are just reporting what happened
@@sanazamir8341 fake news lol
"Shes not a good example for kids" SHES NOT THEIR BABYSITTER. Maybe YOU take care of what YOUR fricking kid sees instead of blaming another person for not being a good parent?
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and no kids are allowed at crazy horse? lisa knows the age limit and took it anyway plus it was a private event not even a single one of lisa's performance were seen in public it was only pictures that lisa posted was the only glimpse we saw
Yeah but kids and teenagers are kpop fans, you know that one thing that gave her the fame so yeah. kids and teenagers are her majority of fans.
@@rusher0015That still doesn't excuse the hate she gets........ for example, I'm assuming you ult BTS ,,kids and teenagers are also majority of BTS fans but yet y'all didn't react this much at their sensual lyrics/performances. It's like it only becomes an issue because of Lisa, if she's painted as a bad example then in reality the entire industry is.......
@@rusher0015that’s the parents fault then. If they thought the group was not for children’s eyes they should step in. It’s their jobs. Blackpink was never promoted as a cute group for kids. They have always worn sexy outfits and done mv with sensual moves. Not to mention their lyrics. The group always targeted young adults. Who are more than equipped to know their boundaries and don’t need to be babysat. Why is everyone so damn shocked all of a sudden??!! It blows my mind.
i love the fact that she did the show bc like she clearly wanted to do it, and it was a passion for her like dance is her passion,, for "fans" to shame her like that is disgusting
It's not disgusting for people to hate hate isn't bad you just look at it bad because you don't like it but hate can help people she is a kpop Idol not a stripper or a Western singer/dancer she needs to keep her kpop idol image if she wants to stay like that
She has gained a lot MORE fans than the small amount that have maybe left her.
LOVE her along with the other 3 queens of BP
I’ll never stop respecting or loving lisa, her body, her choice.
the fact that your never going to see something like this happening to a male idol
So very true. Plus I don't think they have the courage to do so. Plus other then a 6 pack I don't see anything else. I know I know my bad 😂😂
Because male idols don’t strip…
@@Starlight06 u don't see it cuz u like it
@@ashrayadayal Nah it just doesn’t happen. Male idols in fact do not strip. They show skin, yes. They wear clothes that reveal their chest, yes. But they don’t put on shows in their underwear.
Also for the record, I don’t “like it”, I’m religious so I don’t like it, doesn’t mean I won’t defend them against unnecessary hate.
@@Starlight06 and then u said they don't strip lol
I think the comparison of the disney actors is quite accurate. Lisa isn't just cute or just talented shes also sexy and an adult. She cab do what she wants. I think it's great that she's doing more out of what people expect. Also she looled very very good in the performance. I absolutely loved the looks of it.
STRAY KIDS THE KING OF KPOP
Yeaa😂😂😂@@himaririku9254
Unfortunately for her it is not excepted in her country as it well should not and the fans have every right to be disappointed without them she would not be squat, that is the rules of the game in the music business in Korea like anything nasty and evil goes here. This is coming from one of the first female heavy metal singers, I could not afford to show sexy I was walking into a man's world and I would have been accused of using my packages instead of talent. Did not care to anyway it is not what talent is about it is the less talented who do push BS.
@@himaririku9254You can repeat everywhere you go and in people's video about Stray Kids, they are not king of anything, only your king and king in their own house, Ok? Byr
When are the Netizens going to grow up?? Do your thing, Lisa!!! You're GROWN!
This reminds me of the Miley and Hannah Montana controversy. Bruh she can do whatever she likes. She's a big girl.
she may be loosing fans but she is still gaining more all lisa ever wants is to live a life that she wants as she stated numerous times she wants to do a lot of things she wants to do now that she not under YG anymore she has the opportunity to do what she wants as long as she is happy and shes still successful and loved and supported worldwide btw regardless the hate she gets still gaining alot more newer ones
fans need to group up and stop controlling others, learn to control yourselves
you mean grow up?
that part@@yuribaka4809
She's almost thirty but a lot of people expect her to have a "teenager" concept. LOL. She's a true artist and people should let her live. The girl is exploring what fits her.
STRAY KIDS THE KING OF KPOP,,,
you ann0ying kid how many times did we tell you to stop cuz skz will get hate bcuz of you do you remember that person who said "ppl will get ann0yed and starts hating on skz saying your fans are ann0ying" i mean its okay for you to say that but dont say it on every vid you see say it on skz videos@@himaririku9254
Don’t become a fan of an ADULT if you’re going to get offended when they do ADULT things
Children need to know their place, they don’t get to dictate another persons life just because they’re a fan
And any adult complaining about Lisa’s choices needs to log off and get a life of their own because it’s giving PATHETIC
yeah they can go stan Red Velvet or someone else
its not even children hating her, its the adults thinking children watch adult stuff like this and are using it as an excuse to hate her
facts, people also forget she's 27 not 12
Honestly, I'm not hating solely on Lisa. Lisa is only a part of the huge, giant, world-wide influencers in the world. I blame all these people for promoting these kinds of indecency. Now, you all, are also promoting and supporting these inappropriate acts. Happily, in your little bubbles. I hate our generation. People are making stripping normal when it shouldn't be. There's something wrong with people's minds. Nowadays everybody is supporting sensuality and indecency. And people ask why they can't find pure love anymore. And they ask why the 90s seem happier. And they ask why all things is all about s*x. And y'all can't see it. This is hopeless. The world is doomed. How far will we go down this blackhole?
Lisa still on top of Weibo trend when she's got some gigs, some of Chinese people may not like what she did at CH but most of them still interesting about her and the population of SK is 51 M , less than her ig followers that's why Lisa still the most popular in Kpop even SK-netizen don't like her because she's beloved from the world. There's some people want to discriminate her from her nationality, her appearance, her talents and take benefit from her kindness but there still have so many people supporting her.
I don't think she is relevant in china anyway
There are so many things within your control that you can focus on lmao your day to day activities, your blood pressure, your overall health/wellness, what you eat/drink/think/etc. What you cannot do is hyper-fixate on how other people choose to live their lives. I mean, I suppose you can - it's just fruitless. Trying to control other people always is. 😂
👏👏👏👏 couldn't have said it any better.👏👏👏 bravo!
man blood pressure is so annoying
I think it’s so weird that a grown ass woman has children telling her what she can and can’t do. Honestly Lisa, RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE KPOP INDUSTRY AND NEVER LOOK BACK lol. She can do whatever she wants. She’s a GROWN woman. This is what happens when you constantly infantilize a music industry.
7:16 I think that says enough !
@@dooh ok but proof? She straight said allegedly, not for a fact?
@@dooh I think your quick to believe a lot with out evidence.
It's so weird that some dumb person that Just because they r adults they have no consequence and accountibility..they think that just because adults do then it's right thing .and giving logic of kpop idols who die for western validation giving such sh*t of choice..this d**b literally forgot the way ur mindset is ..u make choices like this.and everyone knows how BP die for western validation and how they dance well in America an d where there's energy go in Asia.. typical western fans
I find it weird that an adult who looks like a teenager is putting out such an explicit, segsual image of herself to the public - and I'm not talking about Crazy Horse, which was private as everybody is free to do whatever they want in private, but the pole dancing in her solo music video and on blackpink concert solo stages, to the twerking she's been doing with Jennie. Nobody questions the ethics of it all and how the me di a is bending the boundaries of what's a minor and what's not and who's allowed to present themselves in explicit manner (like is this not fodder for p##dos?)....
its a good thing she lost those fans ......she doesnt need such fans who only see her as a doll that will do whatever they say ... she is a grown woman she can live her life as she wants .... i really dont see any reason for her getting this much hate ... her clothes were also normal ..... when knetizens see someone is not their doll anymore that they can control ..... they go after them hating without any reason .... they get delulu watching men idol rip off their shirt on stage but when an female adult woman wear any short dress .. they insult her every way possible ......sick mentality people ....
I’m so proud of Lisa 🥹🥹
I don't know why some people are hating on her just beacause she participated in crazy horse, she can do whatever she wants to do
Lisa has gained a fan in me, in fact, I've decided to create my own fan account just for her. I will support her Solo career and anything she wishes to pursue in the future. I am actually a Blink, and my bias is Lisa, but I love her just as much as the whole group, so in a way, I stan Blackpink and Lisa separately. She's now more than just a bias to me.
U go!!! I'm all for the fan account❤
Im sure you have more important things to do then create a fan page of someone.
@@speedy6997 i'm sure minding your own business is the most important thing to do
hmmm so ur just a lisa solo stan
@@speedy6997 oh speedy...is that what you're known for? Speeeeedy?? 😏 1 and 2 and done. Right?? 🍾 pinky anyone?
Gosh I feel like people have been talking about the same thing lately for the past month, Lisa and the crazy show performance. I honestly don’t think she or blackpink cares about there reputations because at the end of the day they know fans will support them…let’s move on to better topics.
If someone doesn't like what she did then unstan her and unfollow her on social media and move on. Don't start hating on her and continue the same hate speech for months after the show happened, it just makes that person look pathetic. 😑
LISA IS LITERALLY AN ADULT! She can do whatever she wants, its HER LIFE! If the critics think that this is bad its their lost.
And she is a public figure and one of the most well-known idols today. People are free to criticize her actions. Yall are like "she couldn't care less" and then go insane defending her as if she was your sister. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should or that people can't voice their opinion on it.
@@it.girlismvoicing own opinions is another things cause I bet she doesn’t care she is just drinking coffee at the moment with billions on her account n yet here are peoples being jobless on internet belonging from poor family’s n having the audacity to even have an opinion lmao I bet they should have an opinion on global warming instead of Lisa fame
@@it.girlismwell, in that case, my opinión is that haters can cry and shout!!! I think they need to buy a life!! Cause they are frustrated!!! Thats my opinion!! How about that?? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@jodibbmoli9319 get some mood stabilizers, bestie
I was wondering the same thing… she doesn’t deserve that much hate
They are jealous
@@PNickygamerthey are from different fandom some things call new pants 👖
She can do whatever she wants. But she can’t act all surprised if her Korean fans unstan her. Korean isn’t a raunchy culture in general so she needs to respect that and honour it as she isn’t in her home/western country.
That being said, I’m glad she’s doing whatever she wants and needs to completely give up Blackpink/Korea and move on to things she wants to pursue.
don’t act like korea doesn’t have its own strip clubs. they just don’t talk about it in the media cus it’s taboo.
@@ifephone… never mind.
Let’s be straight up.
Lisa didn’t craft her imagine. YG Entertainment did.
I love the idol who is strong enough to never show weakness on camera when facing the scandalous moment. Jisoo and Lisa are a very view idol that just really strong in my opinion. Even when being torn apart by the media they will just show up in the next morning with smile and going around with their lives, never being affected by the negativity, and never given the satisfaction to the haters for hating them. This is also why most of their rumor and scandal would not last long, because those people could get nothing from this girls no matter how bad the situations would get. They ain't giving you any drama from their own life, and won't be played around by your words either.
Tbh I'm more interested in how Thailand feels about this. No one has talked about the perception of the Thai people. It's been common knowledge that she has been beloved in Thailand and has more or less been the top celebrity from there so what are their thoughts on this?
She's extremely popular and loved in Thailand. It's mostly the knets and cnets that are being stupid about it. I like to call them prunets
I'm Thai and an adult. Personally, i think for the conservative person might feel annoyed by what Lisa did but majority of ppl we still think it's acceptable. Not that i agree nor oppose by her choice.
stuff like this is normal in thailand (i think) so i don't think they care
ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS?? She's 26 years... well, more than grown. She is GROWN! They are just the most.
Guess what she wouldn't have that money if it wasn't for fans and ok she is 26 your basically saying she can do anything because she is 26 like no she is a kpop idol and that all she has so she needs to do it correctly
@@NoelisGutierrez-n4e True. If it wasn't for her fans, she would never be known worldwide.
@@vidzmae30 ikr
Crazy horse must be controversial in kpop cz most Of them are kids. It's not a problem for us.
I'm always going to love Lisa ❤ She introduced me to K-pop and saved my life ❤ I'll always be cheering her on. Not because she's an "idol," but because she has every damn right to chase her dreams ❤ I love you, LiLi ❤
Saved your life?
When people don’t know something or know it in a certain way they become ignorant and shame others. Unlearn and relearn. Growing up I thought pole dancing was associated with stripping (nothing wrong with that btw) because of what I heard and saw but as I get older is it is an art form, a sport. We have to be open minded. Just because your mind sexualizes something doesn’t mean it’s sexual or it’s intention is to be sexual. The human body if you get your mind out of the gutter is literal art cause there’s nothing like it. Of course there is a time and place for everything but I think Lisa is doing her best. I think Lisa is embracing her femininity and looking into new aesthetics and experiences. She’s grown bruh and she isn’t her job. She’s Lisa.
Pole dancing takes a lot of strength! Jimin, from BTS, has done pole dancing and I don't see the type of hate Lisa has gotten.
But on a serious note, i wonder how this people feel when they see a kdrama actor take off his shirt and do a sex scene? Lol is it more like 🙈🙉🙊😱 or 😁😁😗🤪🤯😳😶🌫️
All the hype about "backlash" and lost fans feels like mediaplay to harm Lisa's image atp. It's realistically just a few antis running to report on/jump on the hate train and they're exaggerating it because they're excited to talk about scandals.
She actually has a large amount of mature fans outside of kpop stans who definitely don't care or even know about crazy horse.
It's not mediaplay, it's how the media commonly reacts to scandal - in west it's actually coveted bc all press is good press mentality, and that even negative press is considered good. Celebs like the Kardashians don't care about any backlash so long as people are talking about them. For all you know this was pr's marketing strategy as Lisa sets eyes on the western market. Just look at Jennie and her role on the idol. It's no doubt tyat they've got western pr people giving them advice on their careers
Omg yes people dont understand that blackpink or lisa is not there to entertain kids blackpink is not a kids group or whatsoever why should they care abt the younger audiences? The younger kids should know that this is not age appropriate or the parents should stop them from watching all this kinds stuff just imo no hate 💗😊
Yes, Lisa!!! You are a grown up woman now. Make your own decision and just head to your future as an adult!
Because she do somethings unusual not what normal kpop idol do she dare to do somethings break through wall and peoples fear to see it.
You call dancing naked being "OPEN MINDED"
Fr 😂😭
Lisa is a woman and awesome.
I think the main problem is not that she did a stripped performance, like who cares is 2024 . To me the problem is that she was the one asking for that spot in that cabaret which means that she wasn’t in demand like her fans said. Plus that audience in that club were old rich white men that went there to fetishized an Asian woman that they don’t even know let’s be honest. And the hypocrisy of her fans that stay all day accusing other idols of western validation for doing music in English but your girl serving white men a club! Y’all pick and choose. And don’t tell me “she was there to show her talent “ nobody there remembers if she did good or not let’s be real.
This 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻wearning clothes designed by man. FREEDOM
In those places ppl are smoking and drinking do you think ppl cared if she was Lisa of bp or no? Y’all are naive as f. 🤡🥴
THIS.
Respectfully to clarify one thing you said. She NEVER stripped. She never showed her bare top or bottom. She basically wore a bikini type costume. Other then that I will agree with you. ✌️
just to add...i think she went there to honestly dance. A dance that she wouldn't be able to do elsewhere. I personally think deep inside she just wanted to perform something sexy. I mean her Lilifim 3 came pretty close, but she just wanted to push it further. It's a performers mentality mixed with a tinge of rebellion.
@@ro-zeea.8734 She stripped.
People keep on saying ‘But she has so many young fans!’ The fact that the young fans are watching this are the parents fault. Lisa wasn’t the one who searched it up on their devices, she isn’t the one who purposely popped up on their FYP. If they see it, the can skip it. Some teenage fans are old enough to realise the isn’t suitable for them and for younger fans, blame the parents. Lisa is an adult and if she wants to do it, it’s her own choice. She’s breaking boundaries and a lot of her fans including me, are here for it.
Lisa has earned the right to do as she sees fits for her career. Continue to do you queen and be happy.❤
she surpass 100m Instagram followers ..... tell me how she lost fans exactly again ? GO LISA !!!
I think they are fake because I see many tweets about decreasing her insta followers and lilies are concerned about this and they are trying hard to make accounts and follow her while her insta followers actual decrease
sorry but insta followers dont really mean much, at least not anymore. its so easy to fake them and its obvious that people make multiple accounts. her followers in relation to her average likes is really suspicious too and dont add up. its a lot of 'ghost' followers.
obviously she still has a lot of fans but followers, especially on instagram where people just follow anyone for looking aesthetic, isnt the best way to measure her actual fame or the size of her actual fanbase.
All she did was dance. She was fully clothed. Not sure what the problem is.
The problem is people can't distinguish the difference between a cabaret show vs a strip club. They don't bother learning about it.
2nd they see the performance as a, negative narrative the west has put upon them do to past wars. Negative because of pass wrongs that was done to the women. Women had to earn a living somehow and sex work was the only way to either survive or help their families. Historically the people that are upset are correct, but what they don't see is the roll of a perpetual victim mentality they tend to hold. Unable to change the narrative from a negative to something more positive. Not to say or erase what was done but more like yes it happened to us, we wont forget but we wont let be what defines us, type of a thing. I hope that made sense lol. 🙏
GO LISA…BE YOURSELF ❤😊DONT LET ANYONE TAKE THE CONTROL OF U.UR MOTHER IS THE BEST TOO FOR WHAT SHE DID…❤
I cant support her because some blinks are very young and seeing their idol doing this is unacceptable , yes she is a grown woman and she can perform at Crazy Horse but i am only talking about what her and Jennie wear in concerts when some young blinks come to see them and especially when those blinks come with their parents. No hate to Jennie or Lisa, Love them💕💕
A mom and her daughter went and she left with her daughter because the dances and performances werent age appropriate....now thats being a mom!!! A responsible parent whos job is to raise and guide their children ....thats not BP or any of the girls role....they have no children....they are performers and their music and style wasnt for children in the first place, plus as an artist gets older, their concept may and many times become more mature.
lol its not the moms fault if lisa has been on multiple children shows and danced w minors and alowed children like chiquita to go in anyways. ur just a simp@@multistan9582
owww.. let her be. i love her for doing this. being her self and having fun! ❤️
It's really sad that society has convinced women that In order for people to treat them as adults, they have to get naked. Getting naked and dressing provocatively does not equal you being confident.
exactly!
If she is happy why does it matter? People should focus on their own lives instead of a celeb's choices
I mean what were these "fans" a fan of in the first place if they dropped her so easily? Were they only a fan of her modesty or something?
Yup...i like to call them Prunets .
We jst love Queen Lisa ❤❤❤.
What just happened with her nowadays? She is already damn rich and can make money in a good way, but what is this? No matter how much we defend her, a real Queen doesn't need to strip herself to show she's a Queen, even if i love Lisa i'll not support this.
Exactly
She didn’t strip though
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@@รุ่งนภาประเสริฐสังข์-ว4ฐ sorry i can't understand what you're saying!
I already knew that she would do this someday it was pretty clear when she started to wear shorts with half her butt out but i cant say iam disappointed because i wasn't really a fan of her to begin with ofcorse she can do whatever she want we are not someone to hate her because of it if you don't like what she does just dont support her or follow her but don't hate her👍
Honestly she is an adult she can make her own decisions but her fan base is mostly people from Asia and they are going to question what she is doing
They see themselves as victims of pass wrongs. Historical wrongs and narratives. Sadly they can't see pass that and see themselves as perpetual victims, victims of the pass. This people, instead of taking a negative and turn it into something positive they focus on the neg. Lisa saw it as 1 a dancer, a performance apportunity, and 2 the aability to take something, in her eyes negative, and turn it into something positive, to take control of the narrative. She did it on her own terms and it was her choice and not someone elses puttinf on her. The misogyny mentality in that part of the world runs deep. I mean just look at how their so called 🤴 treats his past wives? That's just 1 example. In Korea and China they have the comfort women, that were taken advantage by the japanese during the war. Japan still refuses to acknowledge their wrongs why? To safe face...for the men's decisions. All rooted in misogyny.
People need to wake the hell up and realize we live in the 21st century not 1576, Lisa is a grown ass woman who can do as she wants and pleases. What’s so wrong with her embracing herself and her body, she deserves to do things she WANTS to do.
Last time I checked she gained more fans just lost fake ones
it's good for her she's finally free from like those people
There's a say in here--
It's good to have freedom but not perversion.
You have to maintain some of the etiquettes of the society because you live in it.
You don't want to??
Go anywhere else
TY FOR THIS she could do what she wants and id support her IF she wasnt basically being a stripper
@@Rune_llit yes exactly 😔
actling like she killed your family shes a grown ahh woman do you want her to act like a baby? do you want to control her life? and im pretty sure that you hate hyein cuz shes young@@Rune_llit
lol bro dont say what u dont know bc im literally a nj fan and hyein is my bias wrecker, i dont like lisa for that very reason tho bc shes doing this why in an industry full of minors like hyein and they might become exposed bc of how inspirational lisa is@@abdoalhallak3781
and id be ok if shes in the american industry but the korean industry is highly judgemental and they strive to be as conservative as possible @@abdoalhallak3781
i m still a lisa fan and remaining solid fan for her
I really love the narrative of this video, lisa is a grown woman and she can do whatever she was. I don't even understand why ppl are sad and mad like thats her choice what to do with her career?? Netizens love to infantilize idols to the point where they forget they infact are not angels and have free will
real like you cant control her just cuz shes an idol shes a human....im starting to think that kpop fans think idols are robots like
Yet her follower count and streams are still increasing. Shedding a few fans is no big deal. South Koreans have never supported her solo activities anyway and have always said vile things about her because of her heritage. This woman is almost 30 years old. Clearly, she's going to do what she wants and good for her. I hope she continues to make people mad. She's beyond K-pop at this point.
Lisa can do whatever she wants. But that doesn't mean whatever she's doing is right. She's a public figure and her work will get either praise or criticism. That's one of the foundametal term of showbiz. And criticism and praise both should be on professional level. Criticism and hate have thin line. No one should cross it. I personally didn't give thumbs up to her crazy horse performance. Acc to me these type of clubs should be banned. Modernization and vulgarity are two different thing. Don't confuse both. Anyway the amount of hate lisa got for her decision is wrong. No one should get it. Talking about her character and all was totally unnecessary.
She just hit 100 million followers on instagram , she’s fine she didn’t lose anyone
First! Blackpink for life! ❤💟
Her real fans won't judge her for making her own choices... I honestly think it's her life and her decisions
People are pathetic. She's an adult, and will forever have more money and fame than any of us ever will. If Lisa was a man, no one would be mad or turning on her.
fr kpop fans are the worst(not all) they cant let their idol breathe
I have tons of friends 18k of then are still Lisa Stans!!! :-)
Not her fan but still no one deserves hate....
Hahaha...intrenational fans suport ❤Lisa❤ end special for dis stupid hate .
Keep up Lisa ❤
She has the right to do whatever she wants and so do the people who are her fans. You gotta understand why some fans feel that way because they know her through kpop and kpop has a certain kind of reputation. Its totally understandable why some feel disappointed.
There's a difference between being disappointed and hating. And some have crossed the line. Maturity also plays a roll. Also I suspect historical context plays a roll as well.
I figure all of this is her choice. Not to mention if the first lady of France is not bothered by it. Let this young lady do what she wants. If you love her support her, if not just go away and follow someone else. Personally i think she is great and will stay with her and her other great members. I don't care for Black Pink but i sure love these 4 beautiful young ladies.
So men taking off their shirts isn't a problem but Lisa dancing in a unique style is? Like bro fans need to remind themselves they are not in charge of the lives of people, if she wants to dance, she can if she wants to. She's a grown woman y'all cmon.
She's a grown woman. Nothing more nothing less. I would understand all the rage if this was a child but since LaLisa is an adult it's not that.......... I understand different backgrounds and cultural differences which is fine if spoken in factual facts. Lalisa will continue to walk with her head up high. Stay strong
Lisa and Blackpink never had a “childish” image lmfao, have you heard their debut?😂 the choreography was a bit mature and there was a curse word in there 🤦♀️
No problem. Each day she gains more and more fans. She can rest so unbothered...
Lisa wanting to perform there is her choice and she has every right to do so.. but regarding the show itself calling women empowerment doesn’t sit right with me. How is wearing revealing clothes or only bikinis or wearing nothing at all and performing in front of men an essence of women’s empowerment?? Women can wear whatever they want in their daily being comfortable and confident but especially wearing these clothes to entertain men is not women empowerment but rather degrading. Women empowerment to me is breaking glass ceiling, right to education, right to drive, right to vote and right to participate in administration and right to participate in society ( which some countries deny women from ) It’s just my subjective opinion and not everyone have to agree but I just wanna put it out there.
I would also like to add that within some companies, specifically their company, what is out of the country stays out of the country, they are allowed to do things that are legally acceptable in those countries that might not be standardly acceptable around other countries like Asian countries. Like when they leave and they come to the states, they swear they eat burgers they do all this stuff all the time because they’re not restricted to anything. Yes they still have rules regulations in some restrictions, but they’re not as heavily monitored and restricted because they’re not necessarily performing or in that country.
There's no demand for her in Korea so it doesn't matter what she does anymore
For me Lisa can do whatever she wants even if it means to stop being a kpop idol . Whatever she does I will support her
That's not lost . that who's never supposed to be Lisa's fans from first. just use her for k-pop image and help their favs to out of her shadows. They already leave for that benefit. so neverminded some 10 thousand gone. But Millions new fans still.
After controversy today Lisa turning back to the top on Weibo and TikTok again, immortal Lisa!!
She is a grown woman on the next chapter of her career,good luck lisa 👍.
Lisa gained fans instead 🔥 she's the queen
I think she enjoyed it but also seemed sad at the same time. I saw her after and she looked sad. I guess that’s also normal to feel both ways as you can’t have it all.
how is she sad?? she dosent give a f abt the haters
كل ما أعرفه إنني لا أستطيع دعمها أكثر
damn
You know on Keeping Up With The Kardashian's when Kim lost her diamond earrings in the ocean and had a meltdown over it, and Kourtney said 'Kim, there are people who are dying' - this entire 'crazy horse scandal' has me feeling the same way.
She's a grown adult, it was at a PRIVATE show, she didn't fully undress like the other dancers, she did what SHE wanted and what makes her HAPPY, she's a grown adult and oh wait she's a grown adult. With that being said please get a grip, go outside and touch some grass. Hyperfixate on something else, maybe get a cat or a dog, invest in crypto, start a blog, volunteer for the homeless, read a book...girl idc just do something that doesn't involve hating on someone you don't know
She can do whatever she wants, so as fans can support or unsupported as please as well. However, hate has no place.
Let them be, she is her own person and can be anything she wants to be. I may not have the fandom in her group but she has the most valorous personality I’ve ever seen. So not her loss that she lost her fans cuz she got the right amounts of good people believing in her.
It's just an opportunity for haters to spread more hate. As an international fan I am, I still love her no matter what. BTW, who cares about Korean fans, KPop industry itself now only cares and caters only to international fans because that's where the money is
Lisa is an adult who can make decisions for herself but that also means that she may have to suffer consequences for said decisions. Being as big as she is, it's impossible to please 100% of her fans all the time and losing fans is nothing new for idols. tbh I don't know how I feel about this performance. If anything, I wish she would have gone all the way and done a more explicit performance as a statement to prove that the nudity in the show is truly for the sake of art and has nothing to do with how rich or famous you are. No hate for Lisa, but when a famous performer shows up in crazy horse-type shows but get to keep their clothes on it does kind of feel strange…But I do wish the best for Lisa and I hope she comes out of this stronger than ever.
Well , every action has a reaction.. She knew this was gonna happen. If she doesn't want to be a part of k-pop . That's her wish . What can we say . Her life , her choice, her consequences 🤷🤷
Lisa literally never said she cared about yalls opinion of her dancing at a private event so likewhat is your point? What is the reaction that she didn't want?
@@JoeyH-d4b I didn't say anything bad about her . And yeah to answer your point about not caring above public opinions , she is a public figure who is a successful person because the public loves her . And no one wants people to hate them and she also doesn't want the people to hate her but every action has a reaction .. her dance is going to always be too much for some people and normal for the others. Simple !
I’m happy for such response from people
Ok i get she is old and can do what she wants but as the old woman she is she needs to accept the hate and love she recieves i am afan and i think it's a down grade to her image she is a huge star to just choose performing like this is a shame to her as an artist
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Lisa loves her body and sexuality, she shown that off on her dance videos but it's still shocking to see not just idols but any celebrity to perform in crazy horse. If you don't like her decisions then Unfollow her and do not support her. Don't talk bad or insult her and her family.
To Lisa . You'll still get the fans with you. .. You go girl 😊