Quite a lot are asking for the Meta - Overview Bind. You can do it with this command: kwriteconfig5 --file kwinrc --group ModifierOnlyShortcuts --key Meta "org.kde.kglobalaccel,/component/kwin,,invokeShortcut,Cycle Overview" This command edits the ~/.config/kwinrc file. Make sure to reboot after setting in. I'm not sure if you can reload it without an additional dependency in Plasma 6
Vanilla Gnome for me. Love to have pretty much nothing on my Desktop and have simple settings and Menus. But on Linux every one can choose whatever they prefer and whatever you like is best for you.
No everyone should use the DE I use because it's much better! /s Jokes aside, use whatever you prefer, there is no global right answer, and even if one is "better" than another, that does not mean it's better for you.
Michael, you really threw me off with this Video! I was a comfy Gnome User because KDE never felt polished to me. Yesterday I created a Fedora 40 KDE Live USB and immediately fell in Love. KDE feels so much more mature with its latest release.
I know this is late, but, sure. I know. I always thought I never liked KDE because of its Windows 10 look, I preferred the way Cinnamon does it so much better. After learning I can make KDE look like GNOME, and knowing KDE is that customizable, I'm switching to KDE on my openSUSE partition. I use Cinnamon and Budgie on my Debian partition, and I'm gonna start using KDE and XFCE on my openSUSE partition instead of GNOME and XFCE.
The biggest reason I use Plasma is fractional scaling is far more consistent. For my 32" 4k monitor I have to use 150% scaling. At that scaling factor, all apps on Plasma look just the right size. On Gnome, all Gnome apps and the shell are WAY TOO BIG, but that's the only way to make non-Gnome apps usable.
Gnome 44 was also very stable for me. In Gnome 45 a bug got introduced that (sometimes) lets the whole session crash if a lot of my video memory is used.
GNOME has often crashed for me on my old hardware. The likelihood increases with more extensions, so ultimately it's a no-go as I do need at least a few to not make GNOME gets in the way of me using my computer.
@@n.m4497 it has happened both on my Lenovo G40-80 and my PC both running AMD. GNOME is solid but it's not flawless, especially if you deviate from the "ideal GNOME usage". PopOS implementation I recall being particularly crash-prone and idk if it's still the case but having both dash-to-dock and dash-to-panel would often cause issues. GNOME with extensions is frankly worse than KDE with Latte Docks. Even when I was being pretty vanilla on VanillaOS, there was some weird maximizing bug where maximizing stretches the screen over the two screens which is especially bad because my second screen is 768p so a lot of the window is cut off. I had to manually resize the window again so that it's barely not maximized.
Ouch... Just set up a new install on my notebook and decided to switch to KDE due to VRR and better support for ext. monitors. The UX is really hard to get used to, though, since KDE always tends to go tiny with its UI, cramping a lot of buttons and controls into not that much of space. I really like the simplicity and intuitively approach of GNOME where features are just in the right place for a fast and trouble free workflow. Now, GNOME finally managed to add VRR. That's really surprising considering the slow progression of that feature in the support threads. And like you already mentioned, it is still probably not ranked that high on their priority list. Still makes me feel like I should hop back and hope for the best. KDE doesn't feel right to me, even when customized. The philosophy is just not the same. But the feature support ... The drama is continuing. 😭
@@pakane24 No one says you have to do anything. The guy was having a dilemma, and I'm just pointing to some solutions because I *do* know that KDE can be a bit bad with exposing some options. People should use whatever fits their usecase best. GNOME just doesn't fit me, and others. I've tried it, multiple times in multiple forms. Barebones GNOME doesn't work for me- but adding extensions can outright makes them more unstable than KDE with Latte Docks. Therefore, it's a valid solution to customize KDE if you have things from KDE you want, but the main blocker is just the default UX of KDE.
I prefer KDE Plasma 6 as it comes with a traditional Windows-like layout and behavior by default. I can put shortcuts on the Desktop to programs, games, folders and files. I can customize it exactly how I want it. It has the must have for me, HDR support. It has developers that listen to my problems and needs.
GNOME sounds pretty good. Now that fractional scaling looks much better, once VRR becomes stable, maybe I should give it a try. I'm mostly a KDE and Cinnamon user.
Workspace switching with the scroll wheel in the Overview is a really good point. I hope Plasma dev are able to see this or I hope there's an open issue about that.
I have used KDE for 2 years and have been using GNOME for 1 and half year. The latest 46 release introduced a lot of bugs for me on GNOME so i have switched back to KDE and surprisingly everything works perfect.
I love the new overlook in Plasma, but it's still a bit stuttering when not used long or when there are more windows. However, Nate knows that, so I'm confident it will be fixed eventually, but it's not certain when.
haha yes, I've been having basically the same journey, generally a gnome fan, but back again at kde just because it seems to work much better overall right now
My solution was to install both. On a separate (rolling-release) distribution installations. ALT Linux with Gnome 46 and Arch Linux with Plasma 6. One is GTK apps and Flatpak, the other is QT apps and AUR. Best of both worlds.
Love your content. Gnome is slowly becoming better than stock macOS for me, give me DRM Lease, VRR, Fractional Scaling and that's it. Libadwaita and GTK4 were game changers, the beta of Geary is awesome, Podman, PtyXis, and now they're also working on a proper Nautilus filepicker... honestly amazed at where we are. The sovereign tech fund was a big boost too.
This is the review I needed, thanks so much! And special thanks for mentioning the spontaneous crash issue, now I finally know who is the culprit. Have this on Ubuntu 22 sometimes (uses Gnome 42) and rolled back from Ubuntu 24 (Gnome 46 - which crashed for you). If I did mz setup just a few weeks later once Plasma was released, I might have gone for that one!
I used KDE 5.27 and it has driven me crazy with touchpad gestures, like pinch to overview and fractional scaling to 175% from 2880*1800 was not as good as on gnome(surprisingly) because of little white lines on the bottom and on the left sides. KDE 6 made touchpad gestures good, but white lines remain in there. And gnome not only works better in a more logical way for ME, but it also gives me unique experience in how it looks and behaves.
Gnome 46 fixed some of the long-standing issues I had with gnome and I'm quite excited for My laptop to be upgraded to Fedora 40 Im probably going to continue using KDE on my desktop though and I've also excited for that to get an upgraded to Fedora 40.
I'm liking Linux these days like Gnome and KDE Plasma. Linux is much more mature now for the general audience especially the new commerce switching from Windows to Linux.
Hey Michael, I really enjoyed your comparison of the DE’s. I haven’t seen anyone else provide the coverage of the two in this way. Great job! I’ve been using plasma 5 in MX23.2 and have really been enjoying it. I’ll wait until it’s available on MX before I switch to Plasma 6 though.
Hi, thanks for your rational voice! I also don't like the Plasma Panel absence on Overview/Grid. Talking (plasma devs) that it's technical impossibility is very weak.. Especially that the Overview effect and a panel was lately rewritten by the same person (Nicco) But as a consolation check Karousel Kwin script. Definitely worth trying! 8)
I used KDE Plasma for three years and was always happy with the freedom it provided. Unfortunately, with the release of version 6, things have gotten worse, and some issues forced me to switch back to Gnome 46. In fact, I see exponential improvements in Gnome, such as stability and smoothness in switching between windows and many other aspects. I hope to return to KDE one day, but for now, Gnome is my favorite DE.
Since version 40 of GNOME there is a problem with usb ports, GNOME stops seeing or loses connection with an external hard drive. This bug is still present in version 46. KDE Plasma doesn't have this problem, so being a Gnome fanboy, I switched to KDE Plasma. But still, Gnome has great solutions that work great and are implemented much better than KDE Plasma, namely, gnome-online-accounts for gnome-calendar and geary.
That sounds more like a backend issue with the Kernel honestly. Gnome is just a frontend that taps into a certain piece of software that's responsible for mounting the drive. Maybe Plasma uses a different solution, but I'm not aware of any major issues
3:40 this is my biggest problem with gtk apps, it's so fucking ridiculous having to memorize a keyboard shortcut just to edit a stupid path. I can't believe it took them this long to fix that but bettter late than never I guess.
I personally prefer to use Mate cos it's just a nice lightweight desktop that feels really fast and responsive although i always remove the bottom panel and replace the default menu with the advanced menu cos it just makes it look and feel a bit more modern.
Modern mate runs really well on my 11 year old chromebook surprisingly. Waiting for cosmic to release and then I'll switch to it. Looks like gnome while being lighter (I get that gnome uses resources very efficiently, however they do not account the fact that some devices do not have those resources in the first place.) Love the look of gnome on my other laptop, however mutter is plagued with issues such as screen flickering when igpu is under load so I use plasma on both my laptop and PC. Will be switching to cosmic on both
I love Gnome, even while they don't want to implement simple things, like custom accent color, and break extensions on every update. I must say that I'm eagerly waiting for Cosmic DE to get out... it may be my next DE, after 20+ years with Gnome.
i just installed gnome like a month ago, maaan its just wonderful i hope gnome gets more customization and settings out of the box, or kde or the community will get the gnome experience and workflow right this time
Love Kde on my gaming laptop. I used to hate Gnome; but fixed it to the point where it ties with Kde for me. When doing actual work; or music prodution I find the workflow much faster in Gnome and use that on my desktop. But love how we can customize both environments too our needs. My main complaint in KDE was it's clutter; but ur channel helped me sort that out a bunch. Thanks for ur vids ✌️ Edit: many typos.
Hint: Hold Super while scrolling in GNOME to switch between workspaces. Or hold Super while grabbing anywhere in a window to drag it around. Or tap Super to open your Activities view. Or double-tap Super to go straight to your Applications. And don’t underestimate the value of that same key in KDE Plasma, or even Windows! It’s truly one of the most under-appreciated keys on your keyboard. LEARN TO USE YOUR LEFT PINKY, EVERYBODY!
I have both Fedora 40 betas, Gnome and KDE, installed as Hyper-V VMs. I'm currently happier with Gnome because I can use headless RDP here: boot up the VM, start the RDP client, connect to the VM in full screen resolution, 5120 x 2160. It works smoothly, the screen is sharp, the sound works too. There's a little crackling when playing music, which isn't the case with Windows clients, but at least it works. Although the feature-packed KDE desktop is impressive, in comparison, I prefer and admire the simplicity of Gnome. I like powerful things kept as simple as possible. I haven't managed to get RDP working with KDE, Wayland yet. This is something I would like to achieve.
Ciao, the last Version of Gnome, which i personally liked was Gnome 2 back then in 2003, but i'm more into KDE since Version 2, so many greetings from brunswick in germany and please stay safe 🙃
For mouse-based workspace switching, I'm used to using the Workspace widget for switching with mouse wheels ngl. Even now that there is a new widget that allows actions when clicking, dragging, and scrolling on the panel, I still reflexively goes to the Workspace widget (when I'm on mouse anyways, touchpad it's just a gesture). Also, the latest KDE update from Nate said that they've implemented single-key shortcut modification- so you can now edit what the Meta button does directly from setting menu instead of editing kwinrc manually. Btw, if you use 4 workspaces, maybe you can divide it 2 rows? I do that for all my devices and it works great with grid view and the workspace widget.
I'll never get why Gnome is so popular- it seems to be made for touch screens and is only slightly customizable compared to KDE Plasma. I've been using Fedora with KDE Plasma and Wayland on my system that has two monitors with different resolutions and refresh rates and it works flawlessly.
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I guess it's the "cleaner look" that Gnome offers out of the box that draws a lot of people to it.
Because it is the environment that was meant to work well using a trackpad. I cannot imagine using my laptop with KDE. Because i do not want to be using my keyboard for navigation
@@Filipomnomnom Now, that does make sense. I've never had a laptop and the occasional ones that I repair for people are only used very briefly by me to make sure they are working. I wish I'd had a modern laptop when I was in college- back then "laptops" were called portable PCs and were the size of a suitcase and cost as much as a car. If you put one on your lap, you'd probably dislocate a hip.
I believe it is because it is the preferred UI for, and due to, big business. Corporations want their staff on a DE which are essentially locked down app starters and no more. (I remember the days when certain big business had the limited functionality of Windows 3.11 locked down so users could only run a few apps!) Once you add in any degree of customization and workflow altering there is room for instability and trouble with, er, trouble shooting. Big business wants the focus on staff just running the essential apps and NOT playing around with the UI and breaking things. Big icons, essential apps docked, click and run the business' top working apps, with everything else hidden or just not available user works GREAT in the likes of 'Big Purple.' The IT department does not want users flicking switches or adding extensions. I think GNOME is really easy as an app launcher but a nightmare the moment you want to do anything the slightest bit more unless you install a ton of (possibly conflicting) extensions which will likely break with the next version of Gnome, extensions that would never be allowed in a major business. As such, I think Gnome dominates because it has the backing of the Big Corps and Gnome is directly funded now by 'Bug Purple.; And once the big guys get their say.... it stays that way. I am a total KDE fan - user define keyboard shortcuts are my workflow LIFE and nothing beats KDE for that! But that's 100% not the Big Corps way.
I have used both in the past, and the main different between Gnome and KDE Plasma is customization. Otherwise both desktops do the same thing with high efficiency: Easy to navigate, easy to display the running processes, with Gnome being designed specifically to be easy toward PC newb and switching tasks. It is personal preference at this point because there is no right or wrong.
@@shaunnan146 Zorin is a glorified Ubuntu, it does not do anything else then any other linux distro when it comes to technology. NixOS as suggested might do, as it actually mixes things up a bit but havent found the time.
I tried it. Spent 20 minutes figuring how to replicate near-default GNOME workflow, opened overview and got spooked by 7 windows on a singular workspace. Feeling utterly defeated opened a terminal and typed rpm-ostree rebase
Great overview! I know it's basically impossible but i wish kde would simplify things a bit(more so from the code point of view and give it a refactoring, than to simplify the interface which people find confusing) so it would have a solid base upon which to take larger steps and catch up with Gnome. Because, and i could be wrong here, but it feels right now that Plasma has many different code paths, some really out of date, which makes making bold changes rather hard. In contrast to Gnome where projects like libadwaita and a general simpler design philosophy, make implementing things like grouped notifications, shortcuts which work across the whole desktop and headless login much more simple. And of course to concentrate on the app ecosystem: consistency and utility rather than customization and large applications.
In my experience the plasma menu is quite easy to use, and relies less on the mouse. It works quite well paired with krunner compared to the gnome workflow, which takes up a lot more screen real estate to do the exact same thing. If you don't like the default meu, you can change it to a fullscreen one much like gnomes very easily. Plasma is also far more mature with wayland than gnome is. Just my take on gnome
Disagree, I think the stock plasma UI is terrific. As time goes on I've learned to appreciate Breeze and the contrast it offers in Icons and UI elements. I also like the default panel arrangement, although I think the task manager with icon and text is better. The application menu is also very nice, much preferable to the older plasma 5 kickoff.
I really wish KED had a much better default profile. I like Plasma but have always found that it takes too much work to get it right for me. GNOME is a better out of the box experience but it does leave me wanting more at times. With the new Fedora 40 I may take another look.
My argument is the KDE is actually better for newbies, not Gnome. This is for three simple reasons: 1. KDE looks and behaves like classic Windows. No great learning curve for newbies. People do NOT like learning new things in the main. "It's just like Windows" is a selling point. 2. Any issues with KDE for the newbie and I can flick a switch and the UI behaves the way the user wants. This saves masses of time in regards to training and the newbie who is likely VERY uncertain of Linux is less likely to give up and go back to Windows. 3. To turn Gnome from an app starter to a 'real' GUI requires adding extensions which are guaranteed to confuse the poor, non-techie newbie. Not mention extensions can conflict and not endorsed by Gnome. Gnome, however, is better in big business where it dominates already. Gnome's default functionality is scaled down dramatically compared to almost any DE making it easier to maintain and giving stability over functionality which is the tech dream of corporations. Big business wants it's workforce just using essential apps and having the IT department taking care of anything else and the IT department does not want to deal with extensions, screen colors and non-default settings. The IT department wants standardization, forced workflow and no surprises. KDE is the exact opposite of that! So Gnome becomes the locked down "No you can't, just use Libreoffice and do your work!" app launcher that big business wants and I hold is one of the reasons I believe Gnome dominates in big business. "Can I..?" KDE "Yes." = happy newbie. Gnome "No. Now get back to work." = happy department manager.
For me I will always use KDE. I started with them when Gnome had the 3 menu items and I liked more of the Start menu. I still use that today but do not use much of what KDE has to offer. I guess I am just more comfortable with that as I get older. I will use others as well as whatever runs the best on my PC.
Any Linux Desktop Environment is more powerful than Microsoft Windows or MacOS. I recently moved from Pop!_OS to Tuxedo OS with KDE 5.27. We'll be on 6 soon enough. I'm finally using my laptop's dedicated distro after years of using Ubuntu and Pop!_OS. Tuxedo is hard to beat if you want a Linux laptop. We're finally getting to a place where our DEs are competing with each other and building up off each other. So much that Windows is copying our homework . LOL
Try , nix or gentoo , they are great , in nixos you can create an reproducible system , if you decide to move or have an diffrent laptop just copy those files into that and rebuild the system and boom same exact replica of the main system , for gentoo you have to build every apps and this leads to less bloated system
except gnome is just an iPad clone. I don't want anything to do with iOS. when I want a desktop experience, I want a desktop experience. not something that looks like I'm using an iPad.
@@osumunbro and yea it seems like gnome devlopers took inspiration from macOS , nothing is wrong if someone resembles other thing but make your work efficient and don't do any harm to your productivity, and above all gnome have great theming of the apps of it's ecosystem. There is also Pantheon desktop environment which is like most similar to mac os it comes by default with elementary os and you can get it in your distribution's user repository
I prefer KDE since its developers are not actively hostile to users and since it doesn't need 20+ extensions to become usable. Dolphin on the other hand needs serious attention as some of the bugs are not only embarrassing, are also 5+ years old.
I have tried KDE in Endevour OS after Manjaro Gnome. But Kde was too laggy, with micro freezes, dont know was it normal behavior or some bugs, but its uncomfort to use. But design of KDE was much more beautiful, I agree. Another level
Plasma 6 still a revolutionary release , as opposed to an evolutionary one like Gnome 46 ... so of course it has some things that need to be ironed out... It is already great out of the box for me ,but if they do fix all the small issues that exist , it has the potential to be the GOAT for DEs But , as someone who is daily-driving Pop OS , I am waiting for arrival of the much anticipated Cosmic ... finally some competition for the big 2 of GNOME & KDE Let's be honest , as much as you might like DEs like Cinnamon , Budgie , XFCE , etc... , it has only been KDE and Gnome that have really been innovating and constantly pushing out new features , new technologies and new apps to accompany their DEs ... to finally have a 3rd contender in that space will do us all a lot of good
Personally I just enjoy gnome more than KDE. The crashing stuff indeed is annoying and the reason why I'm currently staying on gnome 45, which takes away one of the major points over KDE, which is stability, but even then I could never see myself using KDE. There are just to many things that feel to janky or bloated for me.
It's a lot of work if you want to build your own experience. Many things need additional apps, since they haven't tied native ones to the Desktop Environment (e.g. a calendar)
Do note that ddcutil worked for ages for switching display brightness, its vendor dependant as some expose it fully some only partially so there are not many addons that make it seamless as support can be spotty I personally use a simple script for the brightness that uses it with the slider execute applet on kde plasma 5.27
I'm eventually going to summon the bravery to create a linux partition again soon. I predominately used KDE but just attempting to have the same taskbar on all monitors was a profound pain. I say this like a true Windows user. Perhaps i just want to haveca windows like desktop experience to start with and branch out and explore other workflows from there. Gnome was too jarring a departure to start with, butbperhaps after diving into macos through work for the oast couple of years it may be less so.
Right now I'm dealing with exactly this problem... I want the KDE possibilities and customizations... but I like the GNOME overall aproach. I love the grid view and the simplicity with which GNOME makes my desktop from flat surface more to a space... But I also really wants to be able more customize my desktop to make my personal computer truly more mine... But I think I have find some workaround solution with some apps for KDE that may be able to make the grid view sort of.
I like the GNOME DE, but KDE/Qt apps. 😅 (e.g. Dolphin, Gwenview, Spectacle, Discover, Audacious, QWinFF. Exceptions include GIMP, GtkHash, and some Flatpaks)
Such a relatable video! Thanks for sharing! Hey I also make heavy use out of Flatpaks, how do you deal with the theming inconsistencies on KDE? Becuase Flatpaks heavily prefer GTK imo.
I still find myself tinkering with both vanilla offerings OOTB so I stick with ubuntu and its unity-like mods to gnome because its a workflow im comfortable with and don't feel the need to change.
A. When I install Linux for family and friends. I installed both The GNOME Desktop Environment and The KDE / Plasma Desktop Environment. B. I've found that some KDE / Plasma applications don't work well under The GNOME Desktop Environment. C. For maximum software compatibility I install both Desktop Environments. D. Does anyone else install both The GNOME Desktop Environment and The KDE / Plasma Desktop Environment on the same Linux installation? If YES. Please leave a reply to this list of comments explaining why you install both Desktop Environments on the same Linux installation.
Are you planning to make a video about the XZ Backdoor? Perhaps it's somewhat unrelated to the channel, as it's not particularly focused on development or cybersecurity, but I think it could offer an interesting perspective. The fact that it was discovered almost by accident is really scary.
New backdoors are being discovered every time. This one is special because it has been unnoticed for this long. The media blows this way out of proportion though. Is it bad that this happened / happens? Yes, definitely. But this happens on Windows and MacOS as well
GNOME also supports DDC/CI control for your monitor brightness in the quick settings panel, but I think there's a weird race condition where it doesn't appear sometimes.
@@MichaelNROH It pops up for my desktop monitor, but I had to manually install the ddcci dkms module for Arch, and even then it only pops in sometimes. I haven't exactly figured out why, but I think it's an issue with ddcci itself because it's really hit or miss on Hyprland too.
@@ExylonBotOfficial You can, but because it's not the built-in GNOME brightness slider you miss out on the OSD brightness popup and you have to go into DCONF to edit the brightness media keys. It's not the worst, but I'd still rather use the native implementation if possible.
Man I haven’t tried GNOME in such a long time, last time I used it was when I was still on Ubuntu (16 or 18 I think). But I may have to give it a spin to see if it scratches some of the itches that KDE does
After a looong time I relied on the minimalist but solid XFCE DE, I been using gnome and becoming accustomed to it, I do have multiple monitors and Wayland has improved indeed, but because of a mix of driver/App support for Wayland I am still using X for the time being but not for long it seems like
I switched from mx kde to fedora for more up-to-date packages. Now that IBM owns redhat, i do have a bit of a sour taste in my mouth but as a rolling release bro they need to do more evil before i abandon lol. Gnome was already similar to my workflow, but i am very cozy in a kde-type workflow (i like using nvim in a virtual term anyway). If there was another distro that had a similar balance of stability/security + up-to-date packages + rolling release (or easy updates and WITHOUT FORCING WAY TOO MUCH INTO SNAPS) id try it.
I prefer the minimalist look of Gnome and gnome apps. Plasma also had a weird Kwin bug that was never fixed with Nvidia making everything upside and blacked out when using compositing and coming out of full screen. There are some things I don't like about gnome like the launch screen limiting app search results is somewhat annoying and other user interface things. I think the organization also had some not so nice politics. Overall though the Gnome was the better experience. One advice I would give to plasma is to adopt almost all the interface options of Gnome, but with different technology and organization behind it. I would love to have seen Plasma 6 do that, and fix that Kwin bug so I can actually use Plasma. There is a weird bug with Gnome on the dashboard if you try to close apps from that the icon sticks on the screen sometimes.
7:14 they *just* removed it in Plasma 6 but you can add that if you want they removed it so newbies dont get confused you can still add that if you want by going in desktop settings and then mouse actions
I think for converting Windows users, KDE is a better environment because it feels more familiar. GNOME may have some more features out of the box and KDE's endless customization may feel overwhelming, but you dont have to interact with those customization options unless you want to.
They're both good, but for me Plasma has way to much going on with the UI. I've also experienced a lot of bugs, both in 5 and 6. Gnome is way more polished and streamlined. I don't need endless customization and 5 different ways to do something. I need 1 efficient and well thought out way to achieve a task. Default gnome is perfect. It gets out of my way completely and just lets me focus on the tasks at hand.
00:01 I tried my best but couldn't find that wallpaper. Neither on pling store nor on google database. Can you please share a direct url to that wallpaper?
It all depends on how you want to use your PC... if you feel comfortable with Gnome use that, if you prefer a more "traditional" experience, better Plasma.
Great overview of both. I'm just psyched to see desktops that are responsive to me it's user needs. That's why i love Linux. For me, I'll stick with GNOME.
I want customization options in gnome, which are sorely lacking. Gnome Desktop UI is practically non-customizable. You only get what developers give to you, and you have to live with that.
Yes, that's exactly right. Gnome is also my choice. Personally, I think Plasma is overloaded with functions and not really suitable for everyday work. Gnome, on the other hand, offers a smooth, minimalistic, well thought-out workflow.
KDE Plasma is a bit weird. On one hand it offers a lot of features, on the other you can't do some basic stuff like make calendar entries without a proper application
For me, purely based on aesthetics, Gnome remains my first choice, because I just don't really like how KDE windows look (and yes, I know you can change everything.. I just don't see the point of replicating Gnome on KDE). Then again, the workflow on Gnome is also still my favorite, even though I don't even really use virtual desktops all that much. KDE is absolutely great and there is not "but". For me, Gnome is the even better choice :)
Quite a lot are asking for the Meta - Overview Bind.
You can do it with this command: kwriteconfig5 --file kwinrc --group ModifierOnlyShortcuts --key Meta "org.kde.kglobalaccel,/component/kwin,,invokeShortcut,Cycle Overview"
This command edits the ~/.config/kwinrc file.
Make sure to reboot after setting in. I'm not sure if you can reload it without an additional dependency in Plasma 6
qdbus org.kde.KWin /KWin reconfigure
Couldn find this command for like 3 days. Thank you so much
FYI for everyone I believe you will be able to do this in the GUI starting with 6.1
Btw, if you are using Plasma 6, you should write kwriteconfig6 instead of kwriteconfig5
now how do we revert it?🥲
Vanilla Gnome for me. Love to have pretty much nothing on my Desktop and have simple settings and Menus.
But on Linux every one can choose whatever they prefer and whatever you like is best for you.
Using Plasma for last 5 years as daily driver... The development team behind it are doing really great work...
which distro are you using ??
Switchin to kde after 4 years of gnome
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I tend to like Gnome better on my laptop, but KDE better on the desktop.
it doesn't matter, use whatever works for you, there is no wrong answer, it's your computer after all so enjoy it
Finally someone understood
Nah he should use what I'm using. both 😊
it's not yours when microsoft steal all your data.
You can simulate a GNOME UI in KDE, but not the other way around.
No everyone should use the DE I use because it's much better! /s
Jokes aside, use whatever you prefer, there is no global right answer, and even if one is "better" than another, that does not mean it's better for you.
Michael, you really threw me off with this Video! I was a comfy Gnome User because KDE never felt polished to me. Yesterday I created a Fedora 40 KDE Live USB and immediately fell in Love.
KDE feels so much more mature with its latest release.
I know this is late, but, sure. I know. I always thought I never liked KDE because of its Windows 10 look, I preferred the way Cinnamon does it so much better. After learning I can make KDE look like GNOME, and knowing KDE is that customizable, I'm switching to KDE on my openSUSE partition. I use Cinnamon and Budgie on my Debian partition, and I'm gonna start using KDE and XFCE on my openSUSE partition instead of GNOME and XFCE.
The biggest reason I use Plasma is fractional scaling is far more consistent.
For my 32" 4k monitor I have to use 150% scaling. At that scaling factor, all apps on Plasma look just the right size. On Gnome, all Gnome apps and the shell are WAY TOO BIG, but that's the only way to make non-Gnome apps usable.
I just liked Gnome 46; Still waiting for the release of Ubuntu 24.04 LTS with it.
Gnome 46 is also a huge step forward
Your desktop specs ?
@@Home-o2v4h it's a notebook. Ryzen 7 5700U, 8GB RAM
Gnome 44 was also very stable for me. In Gnome 45 a bug got introduced that (sometimes) lets the whole session crash if a lot of my video memory is used.
Interesting. Gnome 45 was fine for me 🤔
GNOME has often crashed for me on my old hardware. The likelihood increases with more extensions, so ultimately it's a no-go as I do need at least a few to not make GNOME gets in the way of me using my computer.
Has it been resolved?
@@FengLengshunGnome is pretty solid and hard to make crash. It could be a Hardware problem in your PC
@@n.m4497 it has happened both on my Lenovo G40-80 and my PC both running AMD. GNOME is solid but it's not flawless, especially if you deviate from the "ideal GNOME usage".
PopOS implementation I recall being particularly crash-prone and idk if it's still the case but having both dash-to-dock and dash-to-panel would often cause issues. GNOME with extensions is frankly worse than KDE with Latte Docks.
Even when I was being pretty vanilla on VanillaOS, there was some weird maximizing bug where maximizing stretches the screen over the two screens which is especially bad because my second screen is 768p so a lot of the window is cut off. I had to manually resize the window again so that it's barely not maximized.
Ouch... Just set up a new install on my notebook and decided to switch to KDE due to VRR and better support for ext. monitors. The UX is really hard to get used to, though, since KDE always tends to go tiny with its UI, cramping a lot of buttons and controls into not that much of space. I really like the simplicity and intuitively approach of GNOME where features are just in the right place for a fast and trouble free workflow.
Now, GNOME finally managed to add VRR. That's really surprising considering the slow progression of that feature in the support threads. And like you already mentioned, it is still probably not ranked that high on their priority list.
Still makes me feel like I should hop back and hope for the best. KDE doesn't feel right to me, even when customized. The philosophy is just not the same. But the feature support ... The drama is continuing. 😭
You could always add spacers and change the size of stuff in KDE panels and apps.
@@FengLengshun Yeah but why should I do it it everything is perfectly pre made in Gnome
@@pakane24 No one says you have to do anything. The guy was having a dilemma, and I'm just pointing to some solutions because I *do* know that KDE can be a bit bad with exposing some options.
People should use whatever fits their usecase best. GNOME just doesn't fit me, and others. I've tried it, multiple times in multiple forms. Barebones GNOME doesn't work for me- but adding extensions can outright makes them more unstable than KDE with Latte Docks.
Therefore, it's a valid solution to customize KDE if you have things from KDE you want, but the main blocker is just the default UX of KDE.
I prefer KDE Plasma 6 as it comes with a traditional Windows-like layout and behavior by default.
I can put shortcuts on the Desktop to programs, games, folders and files.
I can customize it exactly how I want it.
It has the must have for me, HDR support.
It has developers that listen to my problems and needs.
GNOME sounds pretty good. Now that fractional scaling looks much better, once VRR becomes stable, maybe I should give it a try. I'm mostly a KDE and Cinnamon user.
Both are great DEs in their own way built for different users
Workspace switching with the scroll wheel in the Overview is a really good point. I hope Plasma dev are able to see this or I hope there's an open issue about that.
I have used KDE for 2 years and have been using GNOME for 1 and half year.
The latest 46 release introduced a lot of bugs for me on GNOME so i have switched back to KDE and surprisingly everything works perfect.
I love the new overlook in Plasma, but it's still a bit stuttering when not used long or when there are more windows. However, Nate knows that, so I'm confident it will be fixed eventually, but it's not certain when.
haha yes, I've been having basically the same journey, generally a gnome fan, but back again at kde just because it seems to work much better overall right now
Denaro developer here...cool to see you using the app!
I feel the same way Michael. I really love the improvements in KDE Plasma 6, but I find that Gnome is still the one I default to. Great video!
My solution was to install both. On a separate (rolling-release) distribution installations. ALT Linux with Gnome 46 and Arch Linux with Plasma 6. One is GTK apps and Flatpak, the other is QT apps and AUR. Best of both worlds.
Love your content.
Gnome is slowly becoming better than stock macOS for me, give me DRM Lease, VRR, Fractional Scaling and that's it.
Libadwaita and GTK4 were game changers, the beta of Geary is awesome, Podman, PtyXis, and now they're also working on a proper Nautilus filepicker... honestly amazed at where we are. The sovereign tech fund was a big boost too.
I Like Both, doesn't matter what to use. I use Gnome, because KDE was doing some random things. You are best Linux TH-camr overall. ❤
Thanks
This is the review I needed, thanks so much!
And special thanks for mentioning the spontaneous crash issue, now I finally know who is the culprit. Have this on Ubuntu 22 sometimes (uses Gnome 42) and rolled back from Ubuntu 24 (Gnome 46 - which crashed for you). If I did mz setup just a few weeks later once Plasma was released, I might have gone for that one!
I used KDE 5.27 and it has driven me crazy with touchpad gestures, like pinch to overview and fractional scaling to 175% from 2880*1800 was not as good as on gnome(surprisingly) because of little white lines on the bottom and on the left sides. KDE 6 made touchpad gestures good, but white lines remain in there.
And gnome not only works better in a more logical way for ME, but it also gives me unique experience in how it looks and behaves.
Gnome 46 fixed some of the long-standing issues I had with gnome and I'm quite excited for My laptop to be upgraded to Fedora 40 Im probably going to continue using KDE on my desktop though and I've also excited for that to get an upgraded to Fedora 40.
I'm liking Linux these days like Gnome and KDE Plasma. Linux is much more mature now for the general audience especially the new commerce switching from Windows to Linux.
Hey Michael, I really enjoyed your comparison of the DE’s. I haven’t seen anyone else provide the coverage of the two in this way. Great job! I’ve been using plasma 5 in MX23.2 and have really been enjoying it. I’ll wait until it’s available on MX before I switch to Plasma 6 though.
Hi, thanks for your rational voice!
I also don't like the Plasma Panel absence on Overview/Grid. Talking (plasma devs) that it's technical impossibility is very weak.. Especially that the Overview effect and a panel was lately rewritten by the same person (Nicco)
But as a consolation check Karousel Kwin script. Definitely worth trying! 8)
I used KDE Plasma for three years and was always happy with the freedom it provided. Unfortunately, with the release of version 6, things have gotten worse, and some issues forced me to switch back to Gnome 46. In fact, I see exponential improvements in Gnome, such as stability and smoothness in switching between windows and many other aspects. I hope to return to KDE one day, but for now, Gnome is my favorite DE.
Since version 40 of GNOME there is a problem with usb ports, GNOME stops seeing or loses connection with an external hard drive. This bug is still present in version 46. KDE Plasma doesn't have this problem, so being a Gnome fanboy, I switched to KDE Plasma. But still, Gnome has great solutions that work great and are implemented much better than KDE Plasma, namely, gnome-online-accounts for gnome-calendar and geary.
That sounds more like a backend issue with the Kernel honestly. Gnome is just a frontend that taps into a certain piece of software that's responsible for mounting the drive.
Maybe Plasma uses a different solution, but I'm not aware of any major issues
3:40 this is my biggest problem with gtk apps, it's so fucking ridiculous having to memorize a keyboard shortcut just to edit a stupid path. I can't believe it took them this long to fix that but bettter late than never I guess.
Muy buen análisis , gracias
I personally prefer to use Mate cos it's just a nice lightweight desktop that feels really fast and responsive although i always remove the bottom panel and replace the default menu with the advanced menu cos it just makes it look and feel a bit more modern.
Mate users are really rare nowadays. Nice to see that some still use it
Modern mate runs really well on my 11 year old chromebook surprisingly. Waiting for cosmic to release and then I'll switch to it. Looks like gnome while being lighter (I get that gnome uses resources very efficiently, however they do not account the fact that some devices do not have those resources in the first place.) Love the look of gnome on my other laptop, however mutter is plagued with issues such as screen flickering when igpu is under load so I use plasma on both my laptop and PC. Will be switching to cosmic on both
I love Gnome, even while they don't want to implement simple things, like custom accent color, and break extensions on every update.
I must say that I'm eagerly waiting for Cosmic DE to get out... it may be my next DE, after 20+ years with Gnome.
i just installed gnome like a month ago, maaan its just wonderful i hope gnome gets more customization and settings out of the box, or kde or the community will get the gnome experience and workflow right this time
Love Kde on my gaming laptop.
I used to hate Gnome; but fixed it to the point where it ties with Kde for me.
When doing actual work; or music prodution I find the workflow much faster in Gnome and use that on my desktop. But love how we can customize both environments too our needs.
My main complaint in KDE was it's clutter; but ur channel helped me sort that out a bunch.
Thanks for ur vids ✌️
Edit: many typos.
Hint: Hold Super while scrolling in GNOME to switch between workspaces. Or hold Super while grabbing anywhere in a window to drag it around. Or tap Super to open your Activities view. Or double-tap Super to go straight to your Applications.
And don’t underestimate the value of that same key in KDE Plasma, or even Windows! It’s truly one of the most under-appreciated keys on your keyboard. LEARN TO USE YOUR LEFT PINKY, EVERYBODY!
Ohh man Gnome 46 is just perfect i enjoying the "current folder search" feature
I have both Fedora 40 betas, Gnome and KDE, installed as Hyper-V VMs.
I'm currently happier with Gnome because I can use headless RDP here: boot up the VM, start the RDP client, connect to the VM in full screen resolution, 5120 x 2160. It works smoothly, the screen is sharp, the sound works too. There's a little crackling when playing music, which isn't the case with Windows clients, but at least it works.
Although the feature-packed KDE desktop is impressive, in comparison, I prefer and admire the simplicity of Gnome. I like powerful things kept as simple as possible.
I haven't managed to get RDP working with KDE, Wayland yet. This is something I would like to achieve.
It doesn't work with Krfb?
Ciao, the last Version of Gnome, which i personally liked was Gnome 2 back then in 2003, but i'm more into KDE since Version 2, so many greetings from brunswick in germany and please stay safe 🙃
I hope that we can see drastic progress of HDR implementation on Gnome.
Based on my experience , gnome if you want simple clear interface (my choice) , KDE if you want to customize (note gnome is customizable)
Personally I’d say that GNOME is better on laptops and KDE is better on desktops :)
For mouse-based workspace switching, I'm used to using the Workspace widget for switching with mouse wheels ngl. Even now that there is a new widget that allows actions when clicking, dragging, and scrolling on the panel, I still reflexively goes to the Workspace widget (when I'm on mouse anyways, touchpad it's just a gesture).
Also, the latest KDE update from Nate said that they've implemented single-key shortcut modification- so you can now edit what the Meta button does directly from setting menu instead of editing kwinrc manually.
Btw, if you use 4 workspaces, maybe you can divide it 2 rows? I do that for all my devices and it works great with grid view and the workspace widget.
that workspace maneuver with the KDE is looking great. i think i will try KDE soon.
I'll never get why Gnome is so popular- it seems to be made for touch screens and is only slightly customizable compared to KDE Plasma. I've been using Fedora with KDE Plasma and Wayland on my system that has two monitors with different resolutions and refresh rates and it works flawlessly.
I guess it's the "cleaner look" that Gnome offers out of the box that draws a lot of people to it.
Because it is the environment that was meant to work well using a trackpad. I cannot imagine using my laptop with KDE. Because i do not want to be using my keyboard for navigation
@@Filipomnomnom Now, that does make sense. I've never had a laptop and the occasional ones that I repair for people are only used very briefly by me to make sure they are working. I wish I'd had a modern laptop when I was in college- back then "laptops" were called portable PCs and were the size of a suitcase and cost as much as a car. If you put one on your lap, you'd probably dislocate a hip.
I believe it is because it is the preferred UI for, and due to, big business. Corporations want their staff on a DE which are essentially locked down app starters and no more. (I remember the days when certain big business had the limited functionality of Windows 3.11 locked down so users could only run a few apps!)
Once you add in any degree of customization and workflow altering there is room for instability and trouble with, er, trouble shooting. Big business wants the focus on staff just running the essential apps and NOT playing around with the UI and breaking things.
Big icons, essential apps docked, click and run the business' top working apps, with everything else hidden or just not available user works GREAT in the likes of 'Big Purple.' The IT department does not want users flicking switches or adding extensions. I think GNOME is really easy as an app launcher but a nightmare the moment you want to do anything the slightest bit more unless you install a ton of (possibly conflicting) extensions which will likely break with the next version of Gnome, extensions that would never be allowed in a major business. As such, I think Gnome dominates because it has the backing of the Big Corps and Gnome is directly funded now by 'Bug Purple.; And once the big guys get their say.... it stays that way.
I am a total KDE fan - user define keyboard shortcuts are my workflow LIFE and nothing beats KDE for that! But that's 100% not the Big Corps way.
I have used both in the past, and the main different between Gnome and KDE Plasma is customization. Otherwise both desktops do the same thing with high efficiency: Easy to navigate, easy to display the running processes, with Gnome being designed specifically to be easy toward PC newb and switching tasks. It is personal preference at this point because there is no right or wrong.
Wish there was a way to run both Gnome and KDE without screwing with each others configs.
nixos
ZorinOS
@@shaunnan146 Zorin is a glorified Ubuntu, it does not do anything else then any other linux distro when it comes to technology. NixOS as suggested might do, as it actually mixes things up a bit but havent found the time.
3:47 oh maan thank you
I tried it. Spent 20 minutes figuring how to replicate near-default GNOME workflow, opened overview and got spooked by 7 windows on a singular workspace. Feeling utterly defeated opened a terminal and typed rpm-ostree rebase
Great overview!
I know it's basically impossible but i wish kde would simplify things a bit(more so from the code point of view and give it a refactoring, than to simplify the interface which people find confusing) so it would have a solid base upon which to take larger steps and catch up with Gnome. Because, and i could be wrong here, but it feels right now that Plasma has many different code paths, some really out of date, which makes making bold changes rather hard. In contrast to Gnome where projects like libadwaita and a general simpler design philosophy, make implementing things like grouped notifications, shortcuts which work across the whole desktop and headless login much more simple.
And of course to concentrate on the app ecosystem: consistency and utility rather than customization and large applications.
In my experience the plasma menu is quite easy to use, and relies less on the mouse. It works quite well paired with krunner compared to the gnome workflow, which takes up a lot more screen real estate to do the exact same thing. If you don't like the default meu, you can change it to a fullscreen one much like gnomes very easily. Plasma is also far more mature with wayland than gnome is. Just my take on gnome
good comparison. KDE is the DE that works for me and I agree that GNOME is probably better for new users.
You do a great job on these videos. Thanks for the content eh!
Plasma 6 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥.
I don't like gnome's ui. KDE plasma better. (Obvious not the stock KDE plasma. After customization)
Yeah, Gnome is great IF you like their design, cuz if you don't, there's not much you can change.
Disagree, I think the stock plasma UI is terrific. As time goes on I've learned to appreciate Breeze and the contrast it offers in Icons and UI elements. I also like the default panel arrangement, although I think the task manager with icon and text is better. The application menu is also very nice, much preferable to the older plasma 5 kickoff.
@@lucass8119meanwhile I forked ancient QPlastique and ported it to Qt6, because I like the early 2000s kinda Look 😅
does it stable ??
Kde looks horrible 😂
I really wish KED had a much better default profile. I like Plasma but have always found that it takes too much work to get it right for me. GNOME is a better out of the box experience but it does leave me wanting more at times. With the new Fedora 40 I may take another look.
You basically explained it perfectly why I am currently on Plasma 😅
My argument is the KDE is actually better for newbies, not Gnome. This is for three simple reasons:
1. KDE looks and behaves like classic Windows. No great learning curve for newbies. People do NOT like learning new things in the main. "It's just like Windows" is a selling point.
2. Any issues with KDE for the newbie and I can flick a switch and the UI behaves the way the user wants. This saves masses of time in regards to training and the newbie who is likely VERY uncertain of Linux is less likely to give up and go back to Windows.
3. To turn Gnome from an app starter to a 'real' GUI requires adding extensions which are guaranteed to confuse the poor, non-techie newbie. Not mention extensions can conflict and not endorsed by Gnome.
Gnome, however, is better in big business where it dominates already. Gnome's default functionality is scaled down dramatically compared to almost any DE making it easier to maintain and giving stability over functionality which is the tech dream of corporations. Big business wants it's workforce just using essential apps and having the IT department taking care of anything else and the IT department does not want to deal with extensions, screen colors and non-default settings. The IT department wants standardization, forced workflow and no surprises. KDE is the exact opposite of that!
So Gnome becomes the locked down "No you can't, just use Libreoffice and do your work!" app launcher that big business wants and I hold is one of the reasons I believe Gnome dominates in big business.
"Can I..?"
KDE "Yes." = happy newbie.
Gnome "No. Now get back to work." = happy department manager.
KDE Plasma and Cinnamon are my two favorite desktop environments. I have used Gnome before, but I didn't like the layout and minimal customization.
For me I will always use KDE. I started with them when Gnome had the 3 menu items and I liked more of the Start menu. I still use that today but do not use much of what KDE has to offer. I guess I am just more comfortable with that as I get older. I will use others as well as whatever runs the best on my PC.
Any Linux Desktop Environment is more powerful than Microsoft Windows or MacOS. I recently moved from Pop!_OS to Tuxedo OS with KDE 5.27. We'll be on 6 soon enough. I'm finally using my laptop's dedicated distro after years of using Ubuntu and Pop!_OS. Tuxedo is hard to beat if you want a Linux laptop. We're finally getting to a place where our DEs are competing with each other and building up off each other. So much that Windows is copying our homework . LOL
Try , nix or gentoo , they are great , in nixos you can create an reproducible system , if you decide to move or have an diffrent laptop just copy those files into that and rebuild the system and boom same exact replica of the main system , for gentoo you have to build every apps and this leads to less bloated system
except gnome is just an iPad clone. I don't want anything to do with iOS. when I want a desktop experience, I want a desktop experience. not something that looks like I'm using an iPad.
@@osumunbro -_- there are multiple desktop environments, kde , xfce, mate , cinnamon, hyprland, w3, awesome, xmonet, ect just use which you like
@@osumunbro and yea it seems like gnome devlopers took inspiration from macOS , nothing is wrong if someone resembles other thing but make your work efficient and don't do any harm to your productivity, and above all gnome have great theming of the apps of it's ecosystem.
There is also Pantheon desktop environment which is like most similar to mac os it comes by default with elementary os and you can get it in your distribution's user repository
Same question ive been agonizing over for a couple months now since i built this machine im now using and in the end the answer was xfce
I prefer KDE since its developers are not actively hostile to users and since it doesn't need 20+ extensions to become usable. Dolphin on the other hand needs serious attention as some of the bugs are not only embarrassing, are also 5+ years old.
I have tried KDE in Endevour OS after Manjaro Gnome. But Kde was too laggy, with micro freezes, dont know was it normal behavior or some bugs, but its uncomfort to use. But design of KDE was much more beautiful, I agree. Another level
Plasma 6 still a revolutionary release , as opposed to an evolutionary one like Gnome 46 ... so of course it has some things that need to be ironed out...
It is already great out of the box for me ,but if they do fix all the small issues that exist , it has the potential to be the GOAT for DEs
But , as someone who is daily-driving Pop OS , I am waiting for arrival of the much anticipated Cosmic ... finally some competition for the big 2 of GNOME & KDE
Let's be honest , as much as you might like DEs like Cinnamon , Budgie , XFCE , etc... , it has only been KDE and Gnome that have really been innovating and constantly pushing out new features , new technologies and new apps to accompany their DEs ... to finally have a 3rd contender in that space will do us all a lot of good
Personally I just enjoy gnome more than KDE. The crashing stuff indeed is annoying and the reason why I'm currently staying on gnome 45, which takes away one of the major points over KDE, which is stability, but even then I could never see myself using KDE. There are just to many things that feel to janky or bloated for me.
It's a lot of work if you want to build your own experience. Many things need additional apps, since they haven't tied native ones to the Desktop Environment (e.g. a calendar)
Do note that ddcutil worked for ages for switching display brightness, its vendor dependant as some expose it fully some only partially so there are not many addons that make it seamless as support can be spotty
I personally use a simple script for the brightness that uses it with the slider execute applet on kde plasma 5.27
Greetings from Brazil my friend!
I prefer Gnome because it is faster and simpler, at least in my Ryzen 7 with AMD GPU computer.
I can't seem to take Gnome seriously every time I see the Adwaita icon theme. Especially the folder icons.
We really need per monitor workspaces on both KDE and Gnome
Plasma is one of the reason I use Linux everyday, Plasma 6 just improve my feeling about this environment.
I'm eventually going to summon the bravery to create a linux partition again soon. I predominately used KDE but just attempting to have the same taskbar on all monitors was a profound pain. I say this like a true Windows user. Perhaps i just want to haveca windows like desktop experience to start with and branch out and explore other workflows from there. Gnome was too jarring a departure to start with, butbperhaps after diving into macos through work for the oast couple of years it may be less so.
Right now I'm dealing with exactly this problem... I want the KDE possibilities and customizations... but I like the GNOME overall aproach.
I love the grid view and the simplicity with which GNOME makes my desktop from flat surface more to a space... But I also really wants to be able more customize my desktop to make my personal computer truly more mine...
But I think I have find some workaround solution with some apps for KDE that may be able to make the grid view sort of.
I like the GNOME DE, but KDE/Qt apps. 😅 (e.g. Dolphin, Gwenview, Spectacle, Discover, Audacious, QWinFF. Exceptions include GIMP, GtkHash, and some Flatpaks)
7:14 The same thing here, I miss this a lot in kde
It feels like a missed opportunity somehow.
There's a sorting hat. You'll get into either of the 3 houses. KDE, GNOME or WM
"my choice may surprise you" he says, with KDE on the screens behind him 😁
Need a video about full Gnome 46 man. Did they fix the previous issues? Scaling features etc.
Such a relatable video! Thanks for sharing!
Hey I also make heavy use out of Flatpaks, how do you deal with the theming inconsistencies on KDE? Becuase Flatpaks heavily prefer GTK imo.
If a GTK theme exists with my current QT one, then I'll use that.
Otherwise just the default one. I'm not that picky when it comes to GTK
I still find myself tinkering with both vanilla offerings OOTB so I stick with ubuntu and its unity-like mods to gnome because its a workflow im comfortable with and don't feel the need to change.
A. When I install Linux for family and friends. I installed both The GNOME Desktop Environment and The KDE / Plasma Desktop Environment.
B. I've found that some KDE / Plasma applications don't work well under The GNOME Desktop Environment.
C. For maximum software compatibility I install both Desktop Environments.
D. Does anyone else install both The GNOME Desktop Environment and The KDE / Plasma Desktop Environment on the same Linux installation? If YES. Please leave a reply to this list of comments explaining why you install both Desktop Environments on the same Linux installation.
Are you planning to make a video about the XZ Backdoor? Perhaps it's somewhat unrelated to the channel, as it's not particularly focused on development or cybersecurity, but I think it could offer an interesting perspective. The fact that it was discovered almost by accident is really scary.
New backdoors are being discovered every time. This one is special because it has been unnoticed for this long.
The media blows this way out of proportion though. Is it bad that this happened / happens?
Yes, definitely.
But this happens on Windows and MacOS as well
Great comparison video! I'm excited to see what you think when POP OS officially releases it's COSMIC desktop.
I'm keeping my expectations low, but it looks promising
@@MichaelNROH Totally understandable
GNOME also supports DDC/CI control for your monitor brightness in the quick settings panel, but I think there's a weird race condition where it doesn't appear sometimes.
It does on Laptops, but its the first time I saw this functionality for fully fledged Desktop Monitors
@@MichaelNROH It pops up for my desktop monitor, but I had to manually install the ddcci dkms module for Arch, and even then it only pops in sometimes. I haven't exactly figured out why, but I think it's an issue with ddcci itself because it's really hit or miss on Hyprland too.
You can get the same feature for external monitor by installing a gnome extension and the ddcutil package
@@ExylonBotOfficial You can, but because it's not the built-in GNOME brightness slider you miss out on the OSD brightness popup and you have to go into DCONF to edit the brightness media keys. It's not the worst, but I'd still rather use the native implementation if possible.
@@RustyLoaf don't speak without knowing. The extension I'm talking about adds a convenient brightness slider under the one for the volume
Man I haven’t tried GNOME in such a long time, last time I used it was when I was still on Ubuntu (16 or 18 I think). But I may have to give it a spin to see if it scratches some of the itches that KDE does
After a looong time I relied on the minimalist but solid XFCE DE, I been using gnome and becoming accustomed to it, I do have multiple monitors and Wayland has improved indeed, but because of a mix of driver/App support for Wayland I am still using X for the time being but not for long it seems like
I love gnome but I also really enjoy plasma, it's hard to choose ngl
I switched from mx kde to fedora for more up-to-date packages. Now that IBM owns redhat, i do have a bit of a sour taste in my mouth but as a rolling release bro they need to do more evil before i abandon lol.
Gnome was already similar to my workflow, but i am very cozy in a kde-type workflow (i like using nvim in a virtual term anyway). If there was another distro that had a similar balance of stability/security + up-to-date packages + rolling release (or easy updates and WITHOUT FORCING WAY TOO MUCH INTO SNAPS) id try it.
I prefer the minimalist look of Gnome and gnome apps. Plasma also had a weird Kwin bug that was never fixed with Nvidia making everything upside and blacked out when using compositing and coming out of full screen. There are some things I don't like about gnome like the launch screen limiting app search results is somewhat annoying and other user interface things. I think the organization also had some not so nice politics. Overall though the Gnome was the better experience. One advice I would give to plasma is to adopt almost all the interface options of Gnome, but with different technology and organization behind it. I would love to have seen Plasma 6 do that, and fix that Kwin bug so I can actually use Plasma. There is a weird bug with Gnome on the dashboard if you try to close apps from that the icon sticks on the screen sometimes.
7:14 they *just* removed it in Plasma 6 but you can add that if you want they removed it so newbies dont get confused you can still add that if you want by going in desktop settings and then mouse actions
That doesn't work in the Overview though, only on the Desktop Wallpaper. It has never worked in the Overview
@@MichaelNROH oh dont know about that one cuz I dont really use activities or multiple desktops
I think for converting Windows users, KDE is a better environment because it feels more familiar. GNOME may have some more features out of the box and KDE's endless customization may feel overwhelming, but you dont have to interact with those customization options unless you want to.
They're both good, but for me Plasma has way to much going on with the UI. I've also experienced a lot of bugs, both in 5 and 6. Gnome is way more polished and streamlined. I don't need endless customization and 5 different ways to do something. I need 1 efficient and well thought out way to achieve a task. Default gnome is perfect. It gets out of my way completely and just lets me focus on the tasks at hand.
00:01 I tried my best but couldn't find that wallpaper. Neither on pling store nor on google database. Can you please share a direct url to that wallpaper?
www.pling.com/p/2111887/
@@MichaelNROH Thanks 🐧
It all depends on how you want to use your PC... if you feel comfortable with Gnome use that, if you prefer a more "traditional" experience, better Plasma.
Great overview of both. I'm just psyched to see desktops that are responsive to me it's user needs. That's why i love Linux. For me, I'll stick with GNOME.
I want customization options in gnome, which are sorely lacking. Gnome Desktop UI is practically non-customizable. You only get what developers give to you, and you have to live with that.
As a uni student onedrive integration is huge for me
Yes, that's exactly right. Gnome is also my choice. Personally, I think Plasma is overloaded with functions and not really suitable for everyday work. Gnome, on the other hand, offers a smooth, minimalistic, well thought-out workflow.
KDE Plasma is a bit weird. On one hand it offers a lot of features, on the other you can't do some basic stuff like make calendar entries without a proper application
You can install ddcutil to control external display brightness! Nothing especial about KDE here
For me, purely based on aesthetics, Gnome remains my first choice, because I just don't really like how KDE windows look (and yes, I know you can change everything.. I just don't see the point of replicating Gnome on KDE). Then again, the workflow on Gnome is also still my favorite, even though I don't even really use virtual desktops all that much.
KDE is absolutely great and there is not "but". For me, Gnome is the even better choice :)
6:59 My guy just found out about DDC/CI.
What's the name of your wallpaper? It's beautiful!