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  • @athosvamberk
    @athosvamberk 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +193

    Cosmic has the potential to be everything gnome should've been. I'm very excited for the future.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      It's gonna be a while though. I wonder how fast they can catch-up or eventually surpass it

    • @5fr4ewq
      @5fr4ewq 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "should've" lmao

  • @mahiabir6348
    @mahiabir6348 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +206

    If only the gnome team wasn't so stubborn about petty things

    • @AngelBruni
      @AngelBruni 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

      They are too busy with delusional "design choices" and "specs", if we keep letting them be the face of Linux desktop, they are gonna end up killing Linux.
      Developers should stop using GTK, or at least not locking it down to LibAdwaita, they need to stop giving GNOME clout.

    • @PrazgreenStudios
      @PrazgreenStudios 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Now i have to either find GNOME extensions to replicate this behavior or sacrifice all my extensions that I have come to love

    • @yaroslav7328
      @yaroslav7328 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

      Actually, GNOME isn't that bad at all. I've tried many DEs, but I always end up returning to GNOME. In my opinion, its design language is the clearest, most beautiful, and intuitive. However, we need to keep pushing them to implement the features we've been requesting for years. Look, they finally added accent color support; the next checkpoint is the system tray.

    • @AngelBruni
      @AngelBruni 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@yaroslav7328 GNOME is pretty, the prettiest I'd say, but they have a bunch of issues (more noticeable when gaming) that will never get fixed on Wayland because of their design choices.
      I love minimising my game just to be greeted by a timed out later on, stop hanging my games when I minimise them!
      It has been an issue since FOREVER but for them it's not an issue, things like this will kill Linux.
      And yes, you are not supposed to minimise in GNOME, but fullscreen apps (like games) minimise on their own when you switch to another app!!! Their own decisions are clashing with how computers have worked for ages, congratulations!
      KDE cares about their users and usability, doing anything on KDE just works, thanks KDE devs.

    • @Lestibournes
      @Lestibournes 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@yaroslav7328They implemented the system tray as an extension 🤷‍♂️

  • @MAUROdns
    @MAUROdns 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +96

    It seems pretty polished for an alpha release. It definitely has potential!

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      It's rock solid in Window Management, so the core is pretty great yeah

    • @FedoraSilverblue
      @FedoraSilverblue 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How to switch language?What is the key combination?Pop os 24 cosmic alpha

  • @kodemasterx
    @kodemasterx 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Cosmic is looking amazing, I cannot wait for the final product.

  • @carpentb17
    @carpentb17 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I am a popOS user and I am excited to see this. You had me at slideshow desktop wallpaper

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      There's also a system service that enables theming to be dynamically generated and applied based on the active wallpaper.

  • @NFvidoJagg2
    @NFvidoJagg2 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    Running COSMIC right now, on this computer

    • @renegade5942
      @renegade5942 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are the animations bad?

    • @NFvidoJagg2
      @NFvidoJagg2 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@renegade5942 I would say their basically non existent. Granted it makes everything feel snappy

  • @bertvantol9669
    @bertvantol9669 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    YESSS !!!!
    About a year I follow the development of Cosmic and it feels GREAT !!
    There is a possibility that Cosmic becomes my Main Operating System and I leave Windows ....
    Thanks for your great explanation !!

    • @andrabtedja
      @andrabtedja 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which distro do you use? Pop!_OS or another one?

    • @bertvantol9669
      @bertvantol9669 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@andrabtedja I tried different Linux OS-es. My main system is a tuned Windows 11 24H2

  • @Blood5eeKeR
    @Blood5eeKeR 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Tried cosmic on my old laptop (full install). I was optimistic to begin with but considering it is an alfa, I was expecting less. It is almost good enough to run as daily.
    This is the first top panel I really enjoy using. Made it so it auto hides with maxed windows, and I use if for less important stuff - BT, notifications, shutdown button, workspaces and so on. It is really cool that you can move things freely between panel and the dock and can change their behavior quite liberally.

  • @AmeMori35
    @AmeMori35 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    can't wait Cosmic have all the features later. Maybe I could consider to use it then.

  • @Arch-v5s
    @Arch-v5s 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    "I love your videos! You are exploring new distros, which really helps me see if a distro is good or not. Thanks, bro!

  • @ProgrammerInProgress
    @ProgrammerInProgress 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    From the video, I like the look of the spotlight-esque search in cosmic. I work on a Mac, but I run Linux mint with cinnamon as my non-work main computer, so there's things I like about Windows and MacOS that I'm happy have made it into a linux desktop environment (which I use for my own programming projects and gaming)

    • @ProgrammerInProgress
      @ProgrammerInProgress 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The tiling looks great too!

    • @-Blue-_
      @-Blue-_ 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Apple 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮

  • @fineman1064
    @fineman1064 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I'm glad they do this, because I wish more people would have a chance to try tiling window managers and have their own opinion instead of just sticking to what they now (which probably is windows or mac style)

  • @drbowater
    @drbowater 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I like where they are heading. Hopefully Cosmic will replace Gnome for me.

  • @shyamendrahazra3440
    @shyamendrahazra3440 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    3:21 KDE : "Are you sure about that?"

  • @MyReviews_karkan
    @MyReviews_karkan 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I installed it on a laptop I have to help them test. I just wish they had a section in the settings to report bugs/broken features.

    • @willi1978
      @willi1978 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      there are the github issues, but i am not sure if it is ready to contribute

  • @scifino1
    @scifino1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    As a Pop!_OS 22.04 user, I'm certainly excited for Cosmic to be released, but I'd be glad, if I had the option to stay with my current set-up until the software I use for my current desktop (i.e. variety and GSConnect) or feature-equivalent alternatives are available on Cosmic as well.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      22.04 will be supported until 2027, but you should create GitHub issues for the things you care about to ensure that it's being tracked.

  • @JDKDJDOZO
    @JDKDJDOZO 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I think Cosmic is a new step for linux

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It is

    • @kuroxell
      @kuroxell 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The needed step away from Gnome

  • @plentyofpaper
    @plentyofpaper 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    Wow.
    Finally, a tiling window manager that supports tabs and looks easy enough to use that it won't scare most people away immediately.
    This is long, long overdue.
    I know there was a KWin tiling extension I used a number of years ago. Not sure if it's still around. It was almost good, but you couldn't tab windows, which was a dealbreaker.
    I learned my way around i3, and have finally got a setup I'm happy with. But I really wish I could have skipped a lot of the learning curve and troubleshooting.

    • @jayarmstrong
      @jayarmstrong 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There are at least two excellent tiling extensions. I hadn't thought of tabbing windows as I just use multiple virtual desktops. How helpful is it?

    • @plentyofpaper
      @plentyofpaper 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@jayarmstrong I personally consider it a critical feature. The juggling I would need to do using virtual desktops and sticky windows to replicate even my most basic layouts is just a nightmare.
      When I open a new window, I have it set to open up tabbed with the current window(s.) I then relocate it as I see fit, if I believe relocation is needed.
      This means when I create a new window, I don't need to consider what it's going to do to the rest of my layout, or if I have enough space for it. Of course I do. It doesn't take up anymore space, and doesn't change the layout.
      If I have a text file I'm working on using the left third of the screen, I can have a pdf viewer and web browser on the right 2/3rds, tabbed, and swap between them without losing sight of the text editor. Virtual desktops without tabs would require making the text editor a sticky window, the browser and pdf viewer would need to be non-sticky and on separate workspaces. And even then, this makes it so I can't create a workspace without the text editor.
      Back when I used regular floating window managers, I found window management such a pain that I would almost always just maximize everything and jump back and forth through keyboard shortcuts. My current method starts that way, but neatly and cleanly transitions to viewing multiple windows when I want to.
      I'm really annoyed that tiling window managers aren't really designed with this setup in mind. I use i3, which I think drastically over complicates things with multiple containers and different container layouts. When I move a window left, that means I want to tile it to the left. But that often just rearranges tabs until I'm the furthest tab to the left. I don't care about tab order, and can't figure out a way to get i3 to cleanly move window to adjacent container.

    • @jayarmstrong
      @jayarmstrong 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@plentyofpaper very interesting. Appreciate the detail. I'm realizing I've layered on a few tools to make things work faster. I don't know if they'd help your workflow, esp in i3.
      I use window snapping, exquisite for tiling (dialed in for 3 columns on a 4k screen), ALT+mousewheel to quickly move current window between virtual desktops, and two of the built in 'app overview' extensions to quickly switch apps from the background. With 4k, I keep 3-4 windows tiled, often browsers with tabs related to current activity. I use a couple keyboard shortcuts, ALT+rightclick to resize windows, and the tiling extension keeps everything tidy. Full tiling managers like Hyperlander/sway look pretty but I wouldn't want most apps to open full screen.
      I also just started using CTRL SHIFT A in the browser and the equivalent shortcut in Krunner to quickly switch to an existing tab/window. Overall, I'm happy though I wouldn't mind more horizontal pixels to keep task list, music apps always visible.

  • @huljaxful
    @huljaxful 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Since i like to distro hop a lot. I installed it on my thinkpad. I wasn't expecting it to be stable but it is. There are a lot of features missing but it is in alpha stage. And they already updated it couple of times.

  • @steventelfer8186
    @steventelfer8186 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Great! But I’ll wait for the full version

  • @SvalbardSleeperDistrict
    @SvalbardSleeperDistrict 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I installed Cosmic the other day on my EndeavourOS, and it feels like a great midpoint between Hyprland and Gnome, with the kind of pros from both that I find use for. Problems include absence of hotkeys or hotkey customisation for a lot of things; having to use mouse every time I need to change keyboard layout; PgUp/PgDown, Home/End not working in file manager; tiling setting not saving between sessions/autotiling not being a thing, etc. Stuff like this is making it difficult to switch full-time - I hope they enable these things soon.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I think you can implement all hotkeys if you find the window management configs, but it's a lot of work.
      They will surely improve this for the Beta

    • @SvalbardSleeperDistrict
      @SvalbardSleeperDistrict 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MichaelNROH Yeah I discovered that custom hotkey setting from your video, but am completely clueless how to create one for e.g. layout switching. Hopefully something more streamlined comes along soon. Thank you for the reply.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It would be helpful to report issues for the specific things you find lacking. Which will make it easier to push PRs to fix those specific issues.

    • @SvalbardSleeperDistrict
      @SvalbardSleeperDistrict 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mmstick I'm sure those reports have existed for weeks, if not months, already, given how anticipated this DE is and how many people are trying it out. I did open a thread on the subreddit the other day to ask about the keyboard layout switching hotkey thing, and I think it was one of the devs who responded by telling me the hotkey is not yet included.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@SvalbardSleeperDistrict You might be surprised. People aren't often reporting issues they encounter.

  • @xperience-evolution
    @xperience-evolution 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I just hope Cosmic will push Gnome to be innovative and future proof.
    But we have enough DEs with customisation. I don't need that in Gnome.

  • @specialk8723
    @specialk8723 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It's set up just like I have KDE set up! I might switch once they get the kinks ironed out.

  • @hunnybon
    @hunnybon 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    My hope is that they do NOT pass up on accessibility. To date, KDE is the only desktop with a fullscreen magnifier with the options I want.

  • @vexelghost
    @vexelghost 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I tried the alpha and really like what I saw but I'll be waiting for the full release before switching.

  • @highimwolf
    @highimwolf 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really hope minimizing an app goes into the app's icon and not in its own icon in the toolbar. 90+% of humans on earth expect their desktop to work this way. Have an option for the other way sure, but just have defaults setup for avg user

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  วันที่ผ่านมา

      It probably will. It's something that also benefits visuals

  • @Maitreya3001
    @Maitreya3001 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Cosmic probably has great timing. It will take a couple more years to be ready but given the development of Linux, so will it by then too. I’m looking forward to the state of Linux when cosmic is ready for daily use on a grand scale

  • @silentJET85
    @silentJET85 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You’re the first person I’ve seen try to combine the panels into one. I’m glad that’s a feature.
    A top bar without a global menu just seems like wasted space to me. Although one of the devs said they would also try to add that at some point. So that’s cool.

    • @NiffirgkcaJ
      @NiffirgkcaJ 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How would you combine them? I can't seem to disable the top bar and just enable the dock.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's actually one difference that I didn't mention yes. The steps in size also seem to be bigger with the panel, but that's just some fine tuning on System76' side

    • @ProtonBadger146
      @ProtonBadger146 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@NiffirgkcaJ disable the Dock. Then move the top panel to the bottom and configure size/applets.

    • @NiffirgkcaJ
      @NiffirgkcaJ 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ProtonBadger146 when I use the panel, the applets for the menu and the like is in words instead of an icon.

  • @barry5
    @barry5 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You can already turn a folder into a wallpaper slideshow pretty easily on kde plasma. Dont know how long that setting has been around for, but its been at least a year since thats when i started using it. So nope, cosmic isnt the first DE to do that.

  • @watercat1248
    @watercat1248 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The part that most interesting for all the stuff this desctop experience has is the window stalking.
    I don't know how good the implemention is but personally think it's very good to have this option for every app.
    And yes it's true that able to use multiple software and use alt tab however I think this great idea for proactivity.

  • @terrydoestech
    @terrydoestech 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ohhhh...ok, cosmic is looking awesome

  • @LOKESH-nl3ux
    @LOKESH-nl3ux 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bro got that corn dog plant growing behind 🌽 🐕 🔥

  • @trollerbladdering
    @trollerbladdering 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My favorite DE & WM have been Plasma and Hyprland for a while now. I installed Pop_OS with Cosmic on a spare thinkpad I had laying around to see what all the hype was about and I was genuinely impressed with they have so far. I think this going to be a very happy medium for people who want to leave something like Plasma or Gnome, but too scared to jump to something like Hyprland or Q-Tile. Cosmic definitely has a place in the Linux world, I have a feeling it's going to be an important one.

  • @unspoken000
    @unspoken000 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've run this on metal for a while and it worked very good for an alpha. I went back to Endeavour for personal reasons but I look forward to final release in the future..
    edit: decided to install Cosmic on top of Endeavour, so far so good!

  • @UltraCenterHQ
    @UltraCenterHQ 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    All I want is a text suggestions option. Like on Windows, Android, and IOS

  • @micklockhart2673
    @micklockhart2673 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I already use Pop so it’s fairly familiar to me - but I do love the entire look and feel so far and I really enjoy Sys76 approach to Linux (and giving us something new!). Well done! 😊

  • @siz1700
    @siz1700 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I hope other distros will use Cosmic as well!

    • @ArefinKarim
      @ArefinKarim 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It is using too like fedora and arch btw

  • @TermiteValley
    @TermiteValley 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This looks great, but I think I'll look it up again in another year or so.

  • @JTCPingas
    @JTCPingas 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm interested in trying Cosmic if it comes to Fedora.

    • @huljaxful
      @huljaxful 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      As far as i know, it is on Fedora already.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It is available, but not officially

  • @profoundgames_
    @profoundgames_ 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love watching people review Alpha software and complain about missing or breaking features. Like cmon man... Great video never the less :D

  • @andreasvukman
    @andreasvukman 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's fantastic.

  • @TrustJesusToday
    @TrustJesusToday 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was looking for a dynamic tiling Wayland compositor that doesn't sacrifice on its looks. Living large in Hyprland. Now, Budgie DE does the floating WM best, but I will give Cosmic a try after beta is done.

  • @SilentIsles
    @SilentIsles 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    cosmic seems super cool, I love i3 but I miss the simplicity of having a full desktop environment that just works... if cosmic's tiling system is improved upon more im 100% swapping over

  • @sneinhz
    @sneinhz 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    the panel and the dock function the same way, in fact there are only two "panels" in the settings.. you can have 30 panels if you like by editing the config files directly. From what they said the settings app provide sensible configurations for the average user, but you can do so much more

  • @PaperReaper
    @PaperReaper 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I need to try the actual alpha now that its out. Tried to daily it on my gaming rig during pre-alpha and it was a mixed bag. Some things worked great, others not so much. One thing worth mentioning is that Cosmic supports mirroring to displays with different refresh rates (ahve one image displayed at 60 hz on one and 240 hz on another for example) which is something desktop environments on Linux really struggle with (especially Gnome). Really excited for that HDR support in maybe the beta or whenever System76 cooks it up.

  • @the-answer-is-42
    @the-answer-is-42 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I installed the alpha on my desktop (want to see if I can come with some feedback to aid the developers). Works pretty well for an alpha.

  • @evilleader1991
    @evilleader1991 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    😃😦😩😮😲😳🫨😬😱

  • @Soccera0
    @Soccera0 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As soon as they manage to get tiling as good as hyprland with modern protocol support (which would require them to re-think their as of right now moronic release model), I'll consider daily driving it.

  • @iBolski
    @iBolski 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Running CachyOS August 2024 release and I installed and played around with it. It still has the Gnome feeling but with more customization to it, along with a tiling desktop feel. However, for me, my workflow doesn't really work well with tiling desktops, nor the Gnome-type workflow, so I doubt it's something I will look at in the future. But still, I love trying out new things, and with Linux, it's so easy to be able to test out things like this, unlike a certain OS from that Redmond place. 😉

  • @hrfdude4234
    @hrfdude4234 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cinnamon has had the slide show background setting since at least cinnamon 5 with an adjustable time and folder selection! I think its currently the best DE if you dont want wayland or tiling, both gnome and kde while being better in different areas but they give me massive headaches every time i use them, they're so buggy its like living in a bugs nest! but i will give Cosmic a try on arch when it comes out, i dont wanna try a distro just for a de

  • @samsungtech6116
    @samsungtech6116 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cosmic might do it 👏

  • @Nope-gu3ph
    @Nope-gu3ph 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love GNOME but I'm definitely gonna give Pop_OS a shot when Cosmic is in the production release.

  • @QBJ386
    @QBJ386 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wallpaper slideshow has been available on Linux Mint for years.

  • @sivavarma111
    @sivavarma111 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cosmic DE has potential, but I would wait a couple of years till it becomes mainstream to use it

  • @rawmaterials3909
    @rawmaterials3909 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    GNOME made it right. I still don't like the MacOs-like look and feel, but it's certainly better than GNOME because you can tweak it.

  • @matthiasbendewald1803
    @matthiasbendewald1803 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I Like Gnome and kde and tiling Window Managers; they all lack Something, i really think cosmic could be it, unite all good things under one hat? Awesome!

  • @ymaysernameuay1113
    @ymaysernameuay1113 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's already the best desktop environment I've ever used, and it's an alpha!

  • @badral-balushi5911
    @badral-balushi5911 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I really hoped to see a more gentle review highlighting more the encouraging side to try popos cosmic desktop while just mentioning the bugs, because this is a new venture in linux, so its still new and not mature, so more encouragement what is really needed here. I'm saying this because I know you're a nice guy and do encouraging review as well as subjective unbiased reviews.
    sorry for the long comment, and thank you for the review. and I use xfce btw ( in other words, I'm not linked to system76 in anyway, just a linux enthusiast, begginer).

  • @jayarmstrong
    @jayarmstrong 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    KDE has had wallpaper slideshows forever. What I don't understand is that it looks like Cosmic could have been achieved with a KDE tiling plugin and a 'background task' plasma widget. And those might already exist. What am I missing?

  • @oraz.
    @oraz. 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When Mint has a wayland beta Ima try it

  • @lakimens
    @lakimens 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    More customization is not better... That's why GNOME is the most reliable desktop environment out there.

  • @martin22336
    @martin22336 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Und here we go lads.

  • @motoryzen
    @motoryzen 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    4:10 to 4:19..well that's cool, but CAN you put separate Documents, Pictures, Downloads, folder launchers RIGHT on the dock/panel combo ..thing? If not...no thanks.

  • @muslimgamerrr9479
    @muslimgamerrr9479 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    9:20 w reference

  • @mo_dev2
    @mo_dev2 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You have an old version, active windows get highlighted

  • @ZeroKnots-vw6ig
    @ZeroKnots-vw6ig 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    the tonation in your voice is pure torture

  • @glaframb
    @glaframb 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Question how are the resources usages. RAM & Memory usage IS it a light environnement or a heavy one ? is it Fast or slow as hell on old computer ? Do you need a good video card accelerator to use Cosmic Desktop ?

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cosmic doesn't really have anything fancy yet, so it's pretty lightweight. It definitely will get a lot heavier though

  • @shaddow1dog
    @shaddow1dog 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For an alpha I am really impressed I can see this one is going to be my favorite

  • @Scoobin
    @Scoobin 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's quite a nice Gnome clone and it's great to have another DE option, but the GUI makes no sense to me. Too much space used in the panel/dock combo and then they don't even seem to do a lot. The menu brings up this large menu that only seems to load apps and choose categories. To be fair if I tried it I might think otherwise. I do love the pop-up launcher though. K-runner on KDE plasma is too tiny whereas the Pop one is nice and big. And Gnome doesn't have one at all OOTB.

  • @MarkRiker
    @MarkRiker 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Most programs are designed to work well on full screen. So tilling is not for me. At least you can take that panel away from the top.

    • @lyentsoo
      @lyentsoo 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      you can make an app in full screen fyi

    • @pknepps
      @pknepps 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It is still really easy to move apps between displays and workspaces using super+shift+arrows

  • @isrbillmeyer
    @isrbillmeyer 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have a 55" TV screen as my monitor, sitting on top.
    With KDE Plasma I have a task bar on top and on the laptop screen a panel at the bottom. Same type of panel. Cosmic at this point seems to be too much like "Gnome" with panels.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They don't venture too far from the current experience it seems. They used Gnome for a reason previously and they seem to keep its vision, just with more options

    • @isrbillmeyer
      @isrbillmeyer 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MichaelNROH Yeah I never liked Gnome. Was always more comfortable with KDE. Gnome sometimes too much like "Mac" by dumbing down the interface to the point where it is irritating.
      We are creatures of habit I guess. I like a specific way of working - classical Start button with very configurable taskbars. Especially with dual screens.

    • @franklin_johnson01
      @franklin_johnson01 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@isrbillmeyer gnome is prettier than kde

    • @isrbillmeyer
      @isrbillmeyer 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@franklin_johnson01 I don't care about "pretty".
      I need to get to stuff, make stuff, have the power available. One of the reasons I hate Mac interface. Dumbed down to the point of irritation.
      Interface perspective from where I stand:
      KDE > Windows > (Gnome, Mac)
      But as of late Windows is sliding o the point of irritation as well.

  • @konradkargl7442
    @konradkargl7442 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ich hoffe sie legen Wert auf Touch Bedienung.
    Ich habe mittlerweile so viele Distros auf meinen 2in1 ausprobiert, keine funktioniert vernünftig. Ich nutze wieder Windows 🤦

  • @m7md_alj
    @m7md_alj 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I REALLY hope system 76 see this

  • @sheldonkupa9120
    @sheldonkupa9120 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    While i admire what they try to do, as a long term Pop OS user i got tired of waiting. 2204 feels old right now (to me). 2 years is a long time, and this still is a bit rudimentary. I experimented with ubuntu minus snap, which is fine, but you need replace the snap packages. So i installed gnome on Mint22 , no snap, no flatpak needed, and all ubuntu modifications are there. Presently this will be my way to go. Hope Pop OS will be great again🤞👍

  • @thevaultofarco
    @thevaultofarco 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My question is, why this and not Plasma?

  • @SM-qo9gr
    @SM-qo9gr 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Coming from a newbie, configuring a tiling window manager like awesome or i3 with .files is a pain in the as$holes. I might switch to it if its available for ubuntu later on. Sys76 is one of the biggest contributors to FOSS and Linux, so im sure they will figure it out.
    Nice vidya btw

  • @mvevitsis
    @mvevitsis 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is like beta quality but it's an alpha

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      A Beta is basically testing a release version, while an Alpha is more like proof of concept really. It's still miles from a Beta release

    • @VeitLehmann
      @VeitLehmann 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's an alpha because it's not feature-complete. But the quality is surprisingly good indeed!

    • @VeitLehmann
      @VeitLehmann 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MichaelNROH Let's call it incomplete, not proof of concept. A POC is something to learn from and then throw away in my understanding.

  • @nikichashadow
    @nikichashadow 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    cool havent seen new de in a while its cool to see i like it but i am a hyprland person but if i buy a sys 76 laptop i wloud defenetly use its its uniqe

  • @freediverhd
    @freediverhd 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How many different front ends does linux need?

    • @NeftisIsHere
      @NeftisIsHere 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      yes.
      next question

  • @fredlewis1945
    @fredlewis1945 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey Michael, I did try cosmic on hardware, I did not like it. It is still to buggy. I could not get the clock to tell the right time. I am not going to go into a lot of things, I hope they fix these problems soon.

  • @codelinx
    @codelinx 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The ruling is reminds me yabai or aerospace wm

  • @mohsenafshan7908
    @mohsenafshan7908 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i completely understand the advantage of having multiple choices for users, but when the product looks like something that already has been around for years, offering almost nothing new and solving nearly zero problems then whats the point?! i feel like their team could be better off just working on something like KDE to make it more robust and all together better. but again here is ANOTHER low effort de called cosmic!

  • @Joel11111
    @Joel11111 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Does it having something like the activities feature in KDE? (Not virtual desktops)

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Kind of?
      I think Plasma is the only DE that seperates this from the Overview tbh

  • @burkino7046
    @burkino7046 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I tried the alpha for like a week, it wasn't awful but I'll give it another year before trying it again. I noticed that system processes and cosmic-comp consistently used a lot of my CPU and RAM. It also just felt way more sluggish, and videos sometimes had popping sounds, though this is probably due to Wayland sucking.
    Also I'm not really the biggest fan of the design for cosmic programs. It just feels kinda minimal and bland.

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It sounds like you did not install Vulkan drivers for your hardware. Make sure that you have Mesa's Vulkan drivers installed. There are people running COSMIC on very low power ARM boards like the Banana Pi Zero with nearly no CPU usage.

  • @elias-ou2sp
    @elias-ou2sp 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    do sudo apt full-upgrade

  • @katungiyassin9947
    @katungiyassin9947 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fact that gnome has no changing keyboard button in the top right bar is a lie. I used Ubuntu 24.04 and it had it

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ubuntu doesn't use native Gnome

    • @katungiyassin9947
      @katungiyassin9947 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MichaelNROH ok didn't know that

    • @katungiyassin9947
      @katungiyassin9947 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MichaelNROH by the way I don't take time to check what I am using as long as it is working for me and doing what I want

  • @avalagum7957
    @avalagum7957 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How much memory does it use?
    Is it possible to combine the top panel and the dock at the bottom to save space?

    • @marinlos
      @marinlos 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes. You can use just one panel with all the options

  • @vikkran401
    @vikkran401 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can't you use a custom GTK themer app to add a custom theme?

  • @mma93067
    @mma93067 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I know this is an alpha but i wonder if libcosmic and pop are built to be responsive for other screens like a mobile or a digital billboard?
    Linux phones aren’t going to take over the world but they could be a decent alternative for people who want to “digital detox”

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The toolkit and applications are being built to be responsive in an auto-tiling environment where windows can be very tall and narrow, or very wide. So yes, widgets and apps will be responsive to a mobile form factor.

    • @mma93067
      @mma93067 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mmstick awesome. Just one more question though. Is libcosmic similar to libadwaita that provides primitives that follow the HIG or is it closer to GTK?

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mma93067 Comparatively, it's both. It provides a custom theme engine and all the widgets used by our design system.

  • @x0vg5hs1
    @x0vg5hs1 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We went from TWO MORE WEEKS before release to TWO MORE WEEKS till FIX.....

  • @katungiyassin9947
    @katungiyassin9947 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I didn't know that Toni Kroos uses Pop OS! Guys resembles Toni Kroos

  • @Totallynotmwa
    @Totallynotmwa 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hope comic is better then kde

  • @Danzek.
    @Danzek. 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was thinking about switching to mint,i have 2gb ram and 60gb hard drive space,do i am asking if im gonna have problems

    • @AlexanderHäggman
      @AlexanderHäggman 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Danzek.
      I think Mint(especially Cinnamon) will struggle with only 2gb, for a smoother and still functional machine I would suggest Lubuntu or Linux Lite

  • @epicoddgamer2900
    @epicoddgamer2900 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Check out deepin os

  • @KavusHabibi
    @KavusHabibi 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    but it hasn't desktop icon

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      The desktop icons applet is being implemented at the moment.

  • @ordinaryhuman5645
    @ordinaryhuman5645 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The lack of a desktop background randomizer / slideshow feature is the only thing I added an extension for in Gnome. Seems like such a basic thing to be missing.

  • @puneetsharma1437
    @puneetsharma1437 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    kde is there why we need more ...

  • @Z_Ninja_Monkey
    @Z_Ninja_Monkey 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There is a system extension that allows you to view background apps on gnome

    • @MAUROdns
      @MAUROdns 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It's insane that we need extensions just to cover basic use cases

    • @frankhuurman3955
      @frankhuurman3955 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@MAUROdns exactly, why do I need extensions to change some basic design things like dash to dock or even to enable Desktop Icons! or to change the appearance of my date/time/calendar settings(Top Bar settings in Gnome Tweaks).
      I get that not every edge case can't be baked into the DE but if a certain % of people use some tweaks or extensions then it's probably a sign to bake them in.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, I use it on most of my systems, but they should re-integrate it

    • @Z_Ninja_Monkey
      @Z_Ninja_Monkey 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@MAUROdns True. I understand wanting to keep a clean and polished experience, but hiding a common function that I believe most people would find very useful under an extension is not smart. I guess that's the nice thing about Linux though, you aren't stuck with one way to do things. You can choose a desktop environment or distribution that better fits your needs.

  • @tohur
    @tohur 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    The Slideshow has been a thing on Plasma for a VERY VERY long time. add a folder and go... but ngl cosmic kinda looks uuuuuuugly to me and I think its cause its using a custom rust ui toolkit that needs A TON of work. tbh they should have gone gtk or qt

    • @frankhuurman3955
      @frankhuurman3955 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      since it's still an Alpha I think that the toolkit will look a lot better after another year or 2 of development.

    • @MichaelNROH
      @MichaelNROH  25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've never quite liked the Pop Shell look altogether. It's not my style I guess, though objectively it's not all bad

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      We already were using GTK, and it was untenable to retrofit a modern theming system on top of it, or to develop custom widgets in Rust. The state of Qt on Rust is even worse than that. Iced is loved by many developers in the Rust ecosystem. It's going to make app development on Linux significantly easier. Elm's MVU design pattern is just a much better approach to app development. Use of Rust is also improving the experience of cross compiling to other platforms, and supporting older platforms thanks to static linking. Starting with a lean and modular toolkit also makes supporting modern Wayland protocols like layer-shell simple, which is needed to create interfaces for Wayland compositors.

  • @YERAFirearms
    @YERAFirearms 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    KDE is still way ahead