Great video and interview. This is just a snapshot of the first iteration of these motors and systems. If I was a billionaire and was designing an unlimited budget 35 footer, I’d consider putting these 40 horse electrics between two big 300+ gas outboards in a trips setup. Having a completely redundant propulsion system would be awesome, and it would be great to use in no wake channels and docking, or fishing to just keep position. Trim the gassers up when on electric, and tilt the electric up when under gas. A bit much maybe, but rich folk do crazier shit than that in custom boats. People are putting in 500 amp hours just for a house battery setup anyway.
The battery technology has been the limiting factor for electric outboards, inboards and cars since about 1910. They are still very heavy and expensive per kilowatt hour of capacity compared to gasoline and diesel. The current crop of motors are plenty good in themselves, but the power cells still hold them back. Most of my power tools and my lawn mower are battery electric. I really like them. And prefer them over the older corded electric and gas power. A 30 to 50 kWh outboard would be great on my 14 foot classic fiberglass outboard runabout, but a 400 to 800 pound battery pack to run it is still to heavy for the weight capacity of the boat. 45 to 95 pounds for 1 or 2 individual 6 gallon gas tanks remains the go to configuration and provides plenty of range for the day or two of use between fill ups (or recharges). 1 gallon of gasoline is about the equivalent of 33 kWh of electric battery capacity.
meh you can make this argument for cars - but with a boat i remember my family boating an hour to the nearest 'marina' to fill up with 500-1000$ of gas so we could go another 30 minutes to a restaurant..... Id 10000x rather just go home & plug in for a fraction of the cost of diesel/gas & the boat is just always fully charged & ready to use. batteries cost money - but so does marine diesel/gas lol
@@permacultureecuador2925 No, cars are different. In cars, you can simply throw more battery and associated weight at the range problem without fear of sinking. In a 16 foot boat designed for a 40 hp outboard like a Tracker 1648, you have only 1055 pounds of total capacity to work with and 880 pounds of that capacity would be taken up by batteries to get you only 1 hour of full throttle run time. By the time you had safety gear, fishing tackle and a cooler loaded, you'd be over capacity without setting foot in the boat.
How fun is that, I think the spot lock will be a game changer being built into this motor. I have some experience with a smaller kayak electric motor and enjoyed it for most of last year. Thanks for taking the time to share this with us all and congrats on this unique invite to be there for the reveal of this motor. Fun times, I agree, you will see a lot of interest if they can produce something for the smaller boats, I think there is probably more of us with the Jon boats then the larger boats, but then again, that is just me, I have not factual idea of that being the case. Again, great video and have a. blessed weekend my friend. Dale
You're in my neighborhood. I live one canal to the east. The house with the Whaler on the lift are friends of mine. I'm surprised I haven't seen this electric boat yet.
I have been a boater my entire life. If you add up all of the weight, cost of batteries, interfaces, disposal of batteries as well as all fo the associated costs, You are a long way from market acceptance. Perhaps a small tiller unit will be acceptable. I believe in the ecology as with The EV. Perhaps that is a direction to go. With respect to a 300 hp electric motor on a bass boat, how can you justify the expense and weight. My interest would to develop better battery technology the motors will soon follow. As an aside that lower unit as well as the huge umbilical looks out of place. Five blade prop screams of torque, not speed or efficiency. Subaru is working a clean technology for the marketplace. It could possibly disrupt the EV market. One thing for sure, the next five years will be moving us into the future. DONT FORGET: MAKE IT IN AMERICA INNOVATE HERE. WE HAVE THE BEST MINDS AN WORK FORCE. 🇺🇸⚓️
I remember when I got my first cell phone in 2000 limited battery life it always seems to be going dead at the wrong times and so many dead spots. Now look at what we have today. Same analogy as with electric cars and boats it takes time but it will get there.
Wrong! The bat in your cell phone lasts longer because the newer phone chips use less power than previous chip sets. But the power needed to move a boat cannot be reduced without reducing speed, size or weight. Boats and airplanes need lots of power. Hence diesel, gas, steam and fuel engines. Or, sail power.
What I like: heading hold, position hold, steering range which appears to reach 45 deg. left and right, integration, torque, noise level. What I'm concerned about: cost of batteries, weight of batteries, relative low energy density of batteries, outboard motor and electronics below the waterline which could make them vulnerable to leaks and damage, cost of the batteries...
We've been making submarines for a long time now, I would have thought there must be a way to really minimise the risk of leaks but I get your point. With everything electric, it's a balance between capital cost versus the savings of fuel.
It’s only a matter of time for electrics to catch and surpass combustion. New batteries, hybrids, solar panel technologies, solar charging efficiencies, boat types that are a cross between a trawler and a cabin cruiser with a displacement/semi-displacement hull for distance with comfort, for relatively unlimited travel. Keep going, it’s the future.
We have been crusin around in ours, Solor Pontoon for two years now. Zero fule. Love it. Just like everything still growing. www.youtube.com/@allclear7
I bought a totaled Tesla model Y performance to part out from my sister.. I was inquiring on mounting the 100% perfect battery pack under the floor of my pontoon to power some sort of electric outboard for my 23ft pontoon on our private 300ac lake that I live on.. It would be so nice to have electric power instead of dealing with the fuel ect.. I figured a tesla battery had a ton more ability than these batteries used.. But is there a way to control the output or is it too much for a motor like this?? Is it possible to make it work?? The battery is totally free to me so other than selling it for profit, I would love to use it for this boat..
The battery bank is setup according to the need.. that type hull has major drag not efficient a all. Put that motor on an efficient hull and you longer need as many batteries.
Awesome video Anthony. If you end up getting one to test here in Georgia I would love to meet up with you to test it out. Keep up the great work you are the one channel that helped me make my decision to buy an epropulsion motor for my current boat. I am currently pushing a 24’ pontoon boat with a single spirit evo. I can get up to 5.5mph on the boat by myself on a calm lake here in Georgia. I would love to see what the X series can do. It would also be great if epropulsion released the screen and the electric steering for their other lines. I love my spirit evo and top mount throttle but the new screen and the electric steering have me stoked.
These new gas alternative outboards are a welcome option to the boat conversion market! The new world of eco friendly, quiet, low maintenance outboard electric motors has arrived. Kudos on this excellent review.
800lbs for 10kwh of LFP batteries?!?! Anyone who knows BEV's, know that a Tesla Model 3 SR has a 55kwh LFP that weighs "only" around 1200lbs. That means if someone can integrate the battery into the hull, a 25kwh battery (2.5x the runtime) would be possible for less than 600lbs! There's still a HUGE amount of improvement available out there!
Give the technology around another 5-10 years and by then you'll have solid state batteries with 2-3 times the capacity with less weight and volume and much faster charging. Throw in a Sharrow propeller and you'll have some serious range and even less noise.
With all the technology we have there got to be a way to cut down on the weight maybe start thinking out of the box like maybe using the water and the sun to run the motor, there is a lot of high technology out there we just got to get a hold of it.
@@robertheinkel6225 sailboat motors do "coast". Some of them have regen when the boat is under wind power. The prop windmills in the current and recharges the battery.
Great video. I'm probably in the market for an X20 or X25, preferably running at 48V, though it seems everything will be based around the 96V packs. 96V is probably a good mid-point, though 48V is favoured because of the number of solar inverters / inverters that can then power the house electrics of modern yachts and catamarans. Having the steering capabilities via a motor on the outboard and a communications cable seems so simple an idea, I'm not sure why other outboards (especially petrol ones) haven't come up with it before.
I have an ePropulsion Spirit for my jon boat. It’s great but I wish they made a model like it with about twice the power, that could still use portable batteries.
At least as fuel runs out. The boat gets lighter to make up for the for the fish weight. Batteries weigh the same. No matter the charge. No regenative system. Really limits range too.
800lbs of batteries is kinda nuts. That really limits what setup you can put this on. It's a catch 22 of needing more batteries to get range, the. You have so much weight you can't plane and need a bigger motor. I bet that x40 would push a small boat fast, but you'd almost have to pick between speed and range. Even half those batteries would make it so I could only take myself and limited to 1 passenger.
Cobalt based lithium would be nearly half the weight. I'd like to see a teardown of their LiFePO4 battery. There are cobalt based lithium batteries that can get 2000+ cycles and even more if you don't cycle in the top or bottom 10%
@@ericklein5097that would be nice, but what is the financial cost and environmental cost of all these batteries. To me electric makes a lot of sense for cars we use daily, but a pontoon might only be taken on a small cruise once a week or even month for the majority of users. Is the amount of battery worth the small amount of gasoline that it's replacing? I just see all these batteries and materials going into something that's not going to get enough use to justify.
@timlong1462 gas use in lakes isn't good for the environment, oil leaks , gas leaks, gear case leaks ect. Electric motors are really efficient, and would eliminate maintenance, no need to worry about the oil changes on 4 strokes that rarely are taken out, no need to worry about plugs, or carbs, clogged fuel injectors, bad fuel from setting just slightly to long ect. Just charge and go ... simple simple as can be
@timlong1462 gas use in lakes isn't good for the environment, oil leaks , gas leaks, gear case leaks ect. Electric motors are really efficient, and would eliminate maintenance, no need to worry about the oil changes on 4 strokes that rarely are taken out, no need to worry about plugs, or carbs, clogged fuel injectors, bad fuel from setting just slightly to long ect. Just charge and go ... simple simple as can be
What i noticed is with boats in general, electric is not efficient enough for them and we still need gas engines. I can only see electric be efficient for land use currently because not alot of energy is required to move on land compared to pushing water.
you do realize right? it takes earth movers and heavy equipment to mine even one battery. The environmental cost in pollution to mine ONE battery makes more pollution than my ram 3500 dually truck spits out in its entire lifetime. Go green? you also realize right? the electricity to recharge these comes from coal fired plants..... but sure lol. pretend its healthy alternative. not to mention what happens to these batteries when a pinhole happens and air hits that lithium and starts it on fire.... or the cost to then replace them every 5 to 10 years or less.
You know what makes things green.. Co2.. thats what plants consume to thrive.. Co2 is what is emitted from burning gasoline.. the green deal/global warming due to co2 emissions is so full of shit, and people are happy to let the govt waste your tax dollars and lie to you to rob you... Only 30yrs ago it was a huge problem to stop "Global Cooling".. wake up yo...
50hp Mercury outboard with 100 gallons of fuel - 880 pounds. EPropulsion X-40 with 4 electric batteries 1,098 pounds. Not including additional electronics required to charge and operate. The last time that I checked.... A pontoon boat would only hold an average of 35 gallons of fuel. 100 gallons of fuel is a lot of wide open all day trips on the lake. With tons less weight. If you people are considering this electric motor option... You need your heads examined!
@@chechnya Sounds like an excuse to me. An excuse to still be able to sleep at night. After grossly overspending on a boat that won't be out on a body of water but just a fraction of the time that a conventional boat will be. Sounds like a perfect way to get rid of excess money to me. While staying on the bank. Watching other boaters passing by. You're not a financial manager are you? God, I hope not. But, you do you. Your money... Not mine.
Shane, don't let electric outboards live rent-free in your head, man. Don't be so triggered to leave responses like this. Keep in mind, there are many electric only lakes with houses on them that these boats are going to. Just like the man told you, not everyone is using their boat the same way you use yours. You are making a bunch of assumptions. And your right, it's their money, not yours. I've been in the marine industry long enough to know this- People that have the money to buy expensive boats and parts are never the ones in the TH-cam comments section complaining about the cost and functionality of things. And I'm not just talking electric outboards, anything in general. But, if it makes YOU sleep better at night by taking the time to leave your opinion on here, I'm glad I can provide the content for you to hate on.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats The only two things that live rent-free in my head are common sense and the innate ability to trigger self righteous "marine industry folk". You know, the ones who over value themselves after they've built/customized just a handful of Jon Boats. Those garbage cans that I couldn't possibly afford. Since I've lived on, and owned lakefront property, for 43 years. How many years did you say that you've you been in the "marine industry" again? Lmao! I've worn-out more boats than you've ever laid eyes on punk! Now! You go to sleep tonight knowing that nobody was talking to you. Or, asked for your inept opinion of mine. You really aren't that important. On here. Or, in real life.
I can literally buy a mercury 250 for the cost of something that is only 50 hp rating 😂😂😂 . I think ill stick with the gas motor. But dont get me wrong im sure it has its place for some people just not for me . Not only that but if you are full throttle it you might get a couple of hours on the lake . When i fish we are out for 5 or 6 hours easy and thats not counting tournaments that are 8 hours easy.
5500 ain’t bad considering its torque is insane, I would build my own battery setup for way less than almost 20grand they charge and I’d love to use it for offshore trolling only
96v at at 40kw would be 400+ amps. How do they make that work? Anybody have insight? (Google says the Power Delivery cables would need to be 3/4 inch thick for just a 2 meter run) So stoked for this motor.
Great that it is not pumping exhaust gases into the water like IC outboards. Fish are going to love that, might get access to sensitive sites with eprop
That doesn't affect anything.. Gasoline evaporates off of water.. Fill up a bucket with water, pour some gas in it, then go back in a couple days, no evidence of fuel.. Hence why 2 stroke motors are gone, they don't burn oil or use oil to fill with fuel.. If you go to a marina on a busy day at the fuel dock, you can see the fuel on the water.. go back a day later, its all gone.. its not magic, its science.. Gas floats on water, and doesn't sink into the water where the fish live
No thanks, keep working on it. Around 50 horse power on 20+ foot boat,and it adds 1000 pounds of weight. I bet the quiet is very nice, I'm sure the tech will get better. Hey maybe Elon Musk company Tesla should give outboards a try.
Motor - very cool technology Battery - same old same old heavy, expensive, sucky crap that can play the thermal runaway game when you least expect or want it.
I made it past the price. I did not make it past the one hour full throttle runtime with the $20k in batteries. They need a full solar roof so you could limp home on 800 watts directly from the panels.
Seems like the added weight will reduce seating capacity and negatively effect handling dynamics, the cost is high, lithium ion doesn’t work well with salt water the run times are horrible. Then there’s the where to charge issues?
Yeah man I don't make or sell them, just covering them in content. It's pretty cool from an engineering and technical stance but definitely not cost effective enough yet. Time will tell if they can get weight down, run time up, and cost down. There's definitely a lot to criticize, and true at that, but everyone has to start somewhere. It will be interesting to see where they are in 10 years, win or lose.
With the batterys, motor, bms and controller, cockpit controls , installation its is going to be around $50,000, add a hard top and solar system another $20,000, pluss the boat $30,000 + . So for around $100,000 you will have a boat that does 20 mph for one hour, then can sit around for 8 hours to recharge. No thanks could find other ways to spend that kind of money. Plus it's a boat so you are just flushing your money down the toilet anyway.
As always, energy density rears its ugly head. I thought 1000 lbs of battery in most electric cars was nuts. 800lbs in a little 20' pontoon with 1 hr (claimed) runtime means this is fine for tooling around the marina or staying close to home and dropping anchor. You couldn't take the family out for the day with this, which is par for the course since electric boats were first tried a century ago. They look better these days, though.
They need Micro Nuclear Cells in order for electric to be viable. Electric stuff is ok for short range stuff. BUT is prone to overheat very easily and once battery fires start you are not putting it out and they're toxic asF.
What can you tell us about safety. Obviously with a massive lithium battery potentially in saltwater we see many EVs catch fire. There also seems to be a lot of potential for electrocution. What has the company done to make these bulletproof and safe? I see nice connectors but that doesn't seem to be a full solution given the many EV fires we see after hurricaines. Im wanting something for a salt water and more stormy environment than a pontoon boat in a sunny climate. Do you have some information directed at how to have these installed and be safe in a wet environment?
It's definitely expensive. It's a small market aimed at a particular use, not necessarily for everyone or a replacement for gas at this point. Only time will tell.
Yeah - Totally silly money for the performance. I'd say this only makes sense for a location where fuel is difficult to deliver or overly cost prohibitive - like on an island possibly with a decent solar array to charge it. Otherwise - silly money.
Nope. Battery for this has got to be huge with a limited range. Maybe if you put solar panels on top of the boat but that’s even more weight. So no go.
Wow! This tech is sooo ridiculously expensive! And companies just seem so out of touch! U can easily diy a similar battery capacity for a fraction on their msrp. I just don't get who they expect to invest this kind of money for 1-2 hrs of run time, not to mention the added costs of charging & maintenance expenses...
Great video and interview. This is just a snapshot of the first iteration of these motors and systems. If I was a billionaire and was designing an unlimited budget 35 footer, I’d consider putting these 40 horse electrics between two big 300+ gas outboards in a trips setup. Having a completely redundant propulsion system would be awesome, and it would be great to use in no wake channels and docking, or fishing to just keep position. Trim the gassers up when on electric, and tilt the electric up when under gas. A bit much maybe, but rich folk do crazier shit than that in custom boats. People are putting in 500 amp hours just for a house battery setup anyway.
The battery technology has been the limiting factor for electric outboards, inboards and cars since about 1910. They are still very heavy and expensive per kilowatt hour of capacity compared to gasoline and diesel. The current crop of motors are plenty good in themselves, but the power cells still hold them back. Most of my power tools and my lawn mower are battery electric. I really like them. And prefer them over the older corded electric and gas power. A 30 to 50 kWh outboard would be great on my 14 foot classic fiberglass outboard runabout, but a 400 to 800 pound battery pack to run it is still to heavy for the weight capacity of the boat. 45 to 95 pounds for 1 or 2 individual 6 gallon gas tanks remains the go to configuration and provides plenty of range for the day or two of use between fill ups (or recharges). 1 gallon of gasoline is about the equivalent of 33 kWh of electric battery capacity.
Except that the combustion engine cosumes 4 times as much of that energy. So the useable energy of a gallon of gasoline is only 9 kWh.
Wow! That's interesting
meh you can make this argument for cars - but with a boat i remember my family boating an hour to the nearest 'marina' to fill up with 500-1000$ of gas so we could go another 30 minutes to a restaurant.....
Id 10000x rather just go home & plug in for a fraction of the cost of diesel/gas & the boat is just always fully charged & ready to use.
batteries cost money - but so does marine diesel/gas lol
Reasonable, informed and accurate comment about the current limitations in this space (Torqeedo 1003 owner here). Thanks for that.
@@permacultureecuador2925 No, cars are different. In cars, you can simply throw more battery and associated weight at the range problem without fear of sinking. In a 16 foot boat designed for a 40 hp outboard like a Tracker 1648, you have only 1055 pounds of total capacity to work with and 880 pounds of that capacity would be taken up by batteries to get you only 1 hour of full throttle run time. By the time you had safety gear, fishing tackle and a cooler loaded, you'd be over capacity without setting foot in the boat.
How fun is that, I think the spot lock will be a game changer being built into this motor. I have some experience with a smaller kayak electric motor and enjoyed it for most of last year. Thanks for taking the time to share this with us all and congrats on this unique invite to be there for the reveal of this motor. Fun times, I agree, you will see a lot of interest if they can produce something for the smaller boats, I think there is probably more of us with the Jon boats then the larger boats, but then again, that is just me, I have not factual idea of that being the case.
Again, great video and have a. blessed weekend my friend.
Dale
Well done! Neat stuff
You're in my neighborhood. I live one canal to the east. The house with the Whaler on the lift are friends of mine. I'm surprised I haven't seen this electric boat yet.
I have been a boater my entire life.
If you add up all of the weight, cost of batteries, interfaces, disposal of batteries as well as all fo the associated costs,
You are a long way from market acceptance.
Perhaps a small tiller unit will be acceptable.
I believe in the ecology as with The EV.
Perhaps that is a direction to go.
With respect to a 300 hp electric motor on a bass boat, how can you justify the expense and weight.
My interest would to develop better battery technology the motors will soon follow.
As an aside that lower unit as well as the huge umbilical looks out of place.
Five blade prop screams of torque, not speed or efficiency.
Subaru is working a clean technology for the marketplace.
It could possibly disrupt the EV market.
One thing for sure, the next five years will be moving us into the future.
DONT FORGET: MAKE IT IN AMERICA INNOVATE HERE.
WE HAVE THE BEST MINDS AN WORK FORCE.
🇺🇸⚓️
I remember when I got my first cell phone in 2000 limited battery life it always seems to be going dead at the wrong times and so many dead spots. Now look at what we have today. Same analogy as with electric cars and boats it takes time but it will get there.
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Wrong! The bat in your cell phone lasts longer because the newer phone chips use less power than previous chip sets. But the power needed to move a boat cannot be reduced without reducing speed, size or weight. Boats and airplanes need lots of power. Hence diesel, gas, steam and fuel engines. Or, sail power.
What I like: heading hold, position hold, steering range which appears to reach 45 deg. left and right, integration, torque, noise level. What I'm concerned about: cost of batteries, weight of batteries, relative low energy density of batteries, outboard motor and electronics below the waterline which could make them vulnerable to leaks and damage, cost of the batteries...
We've been making submarines for a long time now, I would have thought there must be a way to really minimise the risk of leaks but I get your point. With everything electric, it's a balance between capital cost versus the savings of fuel.
It’s only a matter of time for electrics to catch and surpass combustion. New batteries, hybrids, solar panel technologies, solar charging efficiencies, boat types that are a cross between a trawler and a cabin cruiser with a displacement/semi-displacement hull for distance with comfort, for relatively unlimited travel. Keep going, it’s the future.
We have been crusin around in ours, Solor Pontoon for two years now. Zero fule. Love it. Just like everything still growing. www.youtube.com/@allclear7
I bought a totaled Tesla model Y performance to part out from my sister.. I was inquiring on mounting the 100% perfect battery pack under the floor of my pontoon to power some sort of electric outboard for my 23ft pontoon on our private 300ac lake that I live on.. It would be so nice to have electric power instead of dealing with the fuel ect.. I figured a tesla battery had a ton more ability than these batteries used.. But is there a way to control the output or is it too much for a motor like this?? Is it possible to make it work?? The battery is totally free to me so other than selling it for profit, I would love to use it for this boat..
The battery bank is setup according to the need.. that type hull has major drag not efficient a all. Put that motor on an efficient hull and you longer need as many batteries.
Or put a third pontoon on
You can't put it in a more efficient hull. It requires 800 lbs of battery. It makes 50 hp. Lol. It's absolutely useless
@@Jax0238
Right, because adding a third hull wouldn't increase drag at all...
Awesome video Anthony. If you end up getting one to test here in Georgia I would love to meet up with you to test it out. Keep up the great work you are the one channel that helped me make my decision to buy an epropulsion motor for my current boat.
I am currently pushing a 24’ pontoon boat with a single spirit evo. I can get up to 5.5mph on the boat by myself on a calm lake here in Georgia. I would love to see what the X series can do. It would also be great if epropulsion released the screen and the electric steering for their other lines. I love my spirit evo and top mount throttle but the new screen and the electric steering have me stoked.
Amazing friend, thanks for the video, very interesting, happy to see your video,👍
G r e a t !!! We longed for electric motors at boats !!!
96V @ 100A is 9.6kW. So how are we powering the 40kW motor?
I think it has four batteries because he said a battery weighs 220 lbs and then said 880 lbs of battery on board.
Total battery pack capacity is 40+ kw so the 1 hour run time makes mathematical sense.
Like the concept, just not there yet
1 hr of run time. Not good!
These new gas alternative outboards are a welcome option to the boat conversion market! The new world of eco friendly, quiet, low maintenance outboard electric motors has arrived. Kudos on this excellent review.
Thank you. Much appreciated. The X-40 is an awesome addition to the electric outboard world.
Couldn't have said it better ourselves!
It seems like maintenance should be much easier than an ICE outboard.
Cool .. just need to replace that Canopy with some Solar panels for recharging on the go !
800lbs for 10kwh of LFP batteries?!?! Anyone who knows BEV's, know that a Tesla Model 3 SR has a 55kwh LFP that weighs "only" around 1200lbs. That means if someone can integrate the battery into the hull, a 25kwh battery (2.5x the runtime) would be possible for less than 600lbs! There's still a HUGE amount of improvement available out there!
It's 40 Kw, please
Give the technology around another 5-10 years and by then you'll have solid state batteries with 2-3 times the capacity with less weight and volume and much faster charging. Throw in a Sharrow propeller and you'll have some serious range and even less noise.
Believe it when I see it.
Exactly !!
That would be even quieter with a sharrow prop.
now that would be SICK
I want it. Gotta make it fit on my Jon boat
With all the technology we have there got to be a way to cut down on the weight maybe start thinking out of the box like maybe using the water and the sun to run the motor, there is a lot of high technology out there we just got to get a hold of it.
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not sure if i missed it in the video. but do these new motors have regen?
Boats don’t coast downhill like a car. Cut the throttle and it stops.
@@robertheinkel6225 sailboat motors do "coast". Some of them have regen when the boat is under wind power. The prop windmills in the current and recharges the battery.
Great video. I'm probably in the market for an X20 or X25, preferably running at 48V, though it seems everything will be based around the 96V packs. 96V is probably a good mid-point, though 48V is favoured because of the number of solar inverters / inverters that can then power the house electrics of modern yachts and catamarans. Having the steering capabilities via a motor on the outboard and a communications cable seems so simple an idea, I'm not sure why other outboards (especially petrol ones) haven't come up with it before.
Super cool, love to get one on a whaler
15 foir whaler or biger
I wish I could try one of these on my 16 foot runabout fishing boat
Buy liner 16. Or whaler 16
fish are stunned by 96 volts
I have an ePropulsion Spirit for my jon boat. It’s great but I wish they made a model like it with about twice the power, that could still use portable batteries.
The “Navy” series covers that pretty well.
@@WayneTheBoatGuy Navy series are nice, but don't use those portable batteries on the Spirit.
At least as fuel runs out. The boat gets lighter to make up for the for the fish weight.
Batteries weigh the same. No matter the charge. No regenative system. Really limits range too.
My concern with electric boats is how do you keep the batteries at a safe temperature I mean boats can get really hot under the sun
800lbs of batteries is kinda nuts. That really limits what setup you can put this on. It's a catch 22 of needing more batteries to get range, the. You have so much weight you can't plane and need a bigger motor. I bet that x40 would push a small boat fast, but you'd almost have to pick between speed and range. Even half those batteries would make it so I could only take myself and limited to 1 passenger.
Cobalt based lithium would be nearly half the weight. I'd like to see a teardown of their LiFePO4 battery. There are cobalt based lithium batteries that can get 2000+ cycles and even more if you don't cycle in the top or bottom 10%
@@ericklein5097that would be nice, but what is the financial cost and environmental cost of all these batteries. To me electric makes a lot of sense for cars we use daily, but a pontoon might only be taken on a small cruise once a week or even month for the majority of users. Is the amount of battery worth the small amount of gasoline that it's replacing? I just see all these batteries and materials going into something that's not going to get enough use to justify.
Great lake boat. Plug it in upon completion of trip just like always.
@timlong1462 gas use in lakes isn't good for the environment, oil leaks , gas leaks, gear case leaks ect. Electric motors are really efficient, and would eliminate maintenance, no need to worry about the oil changes on 4 strokes that rarely are taken out, no need to worry about plugs, or carbs, clogged fuel injectors, bad fuel from setting just slightly to long ect. Just charge and go ... simple simple as can be
@timlong1462 gas use in lakes isn't good for the environment, oil leaks , gas leaks, gear case leaks ect. Electric motors are really efficient, and would eliminate maintenance, no need to worry about the oil changes on 4 strokes that rarely are taken out, no need to worry about plugs, or carbs, clogged fuel injectors, bad fuel from setting just slightly to long ect. Just charge and go ... simple simple as can be
So you can get 7 x6kw ecoflow batteries with 2 inverters for a total of 42kw of power for 20854$ making it slightly cheaper with 2kw more 👍
That prop looks just like someone rolled the blade over on a log. Hopefully they are using a common prop shaft design so that they can a selection
I'd like to see a hybrid set up like Edison. Smaller battery with an onboard generator.
What i noticed is with boats in general, electric is not efficient enough for them and we still need gas engines. I can only see electric be efficient for land use currently because not alot of energy is required to move on land compared to pushing water.
Is it ok to put 3 or 4 of them together? And is there any solar charging available?
I love everything electric and I already support the electric idea let’s make the planet green
you do realize right? it takes earth movers and heavy equipment to mine even one battery. The environmental cost in pollution to mine ONE battery makes more pollution than my ram 3500 dually truck spits out in its entire lifetime. Go green? you also realize right? the electricity to recharge these comes from coal fired plants..... but sure lol. pretend its healthy alternative. not to mention what happens to these batteries when a pinhole happens and air hits that lithium and starts it on fire.... or the cost to then replace them every 5 to 10 years or less.
And where do you think the electricity comes from that charges the battery, little fella? 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
You know what makes things green.. Co2.. thats what plants consume to thrive.. Co2 is what is emitted from burning gasoline.. the green deal/global warming due to co2 emissions is so full of shit, and people are happy to let the govt waste your tax dollars and lie to you to rob you... Only 30yrs ago it was a huge problem to stop "Global Cooling".. wake up yo...
50hp Mercury outboard with 100 gallons of fuel - 880 pounds.
EPropulsion X-40 with 4 electric batteries 1,098 pounds. Not including additional electronics required to charge and operate.
The last time that I checked.... A pontoon boat would only hold an average of 35 gallons of fuel. 100 gallons of fuel is a lot of wide open all day trips on the lake. With tons less weight.
If you people are considering this electric motor option... You need your heads examined!
People have different needs and not all do what you do.
@@chechnya Sounds like an excuse to me. An excuse to still be able to sleep at night. After grossly overspending on a boat that won't be out on a body of water but just a fraction of the time that a conventional boat will be.
Sounds like a perfect way to get rid of excess money to me. While staying on the bank. Watching other boaters passing by. You're not a financial manager are you? God, I hope not. But, you do you. Your money... Not mine.
Shane, don't let electric outboards live rent-free in your head, man. Don't be so triggered to leave responses like this. Keep in mind, there are many electric only lakes with houses on them that these boats are going to. Just like the man told you, not everyone is using their boat the same way you use yours. You are making a bunch of assumptions. And your right, it's their money, not yours. I've been in the marine industry long enough to know this- People that have the money to buy expensive boats and parts are never the ones in the TH-cam comments section complaining about the cost and functionality of things. And I'm not just talking electric outboards, anything in general. But, if it makes YOU sleep better at night by taking the time to leave your opinion on here, I'm glad I can provide the content for you to hate on.
@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats The only two things that live rent-free in my head are common sense and the innate ability to trigger self righteous "marine industry folk". You know, the ones who over value themselves after they've built/customized just a handful of Jon Boats.
Those garbage cans that I couldn't possibly afford. Since I've lived on, and owned lakefront property, for 43 years. How many years did you say that you've you been in the "marine industry" again? Lmao! I've worn-out more boats than you've ever laid eyes on punk!
Now! You go to sleep tonight knowing that nobody was talking to you. Or, asked for your inept opinion of mine. You really aren't that important. On here. Or, in real life.
Wrong 100 galong gas tank wi g ts 650 lunds onky 230 punds li g ter
if the battery is 10kw/h but the motor 40kw.
thenhow are you supposed to be able to use full throttle for 1 entire hour?
I can literally buy a mercury 250 for the cost of something that is only 50 hp rating 😂😂😂 . I think ill stick with the gas motor. But dont get me wrong im sure it has its place for some people just not for me . Not only that but if you are full throttle it you might get a couple of hours on the lake . When i fish we are out for 5 or 6 hours easy and thats not counting tournaments that are 8 hours easy.
I totally get it man. Definitely not for everyone and costly at that.
5500 ain’t bad considering its torque is insane, I would build my own battery setup for way less than almost 20grand they charge and I’d love to use it for offshore trolling only
96v at at 40kw would be 400+ amps. How do they make that work? Anybody have insight? (Google says the Power Delivery cables would need to be 3/4 inch thick for just a 2 meter run)
So stoked for this motor.
Can it be made horizontally and waterproof
It’s all nice and good BUT NONE OF THESE GUYS ARE ACTUALLY DELIVERING 😁😁😁😁
We have delivered lots of these!
Still not ready for prime time.
I know pricing isn't available yet, but what would you guesstimate the price of the X40 or X20 package (no batteries)?
Where's the long extension cord for charging? Oops me BAD 🇨🇦😂
Great that it is not pumping exhaust gases into the water like IC outboards. Fish are going to love that, might get access to sensitive sites with eprop
That doesn't affect anything.. Gasoline evaporates off of water.. Fill up a bucket with water, pour some gas in it, then go back in a couple days, no evidence of fuel.. Hence why 2 stroke motors are gone, they don't burn oil or use oil to fill with fuel.. If you go to a marina on a busy day at the fuel dock, you can see the fuel on the water.. go back a day later, its all gone.. its not magic, its science.. Gas floats on water, and doesn't sink into the water where the fish live
I would run this on my reservoir boat I don’t think I’d do it on anything else.
No thanks, keep working on it. Around 50 horse power on 20+ foot boat,and it adds 1000 pounds of weight.
I bet the quiet is very nice, I'm sure the tech will get better. Hey maybe Elon Musk company Tesla should give outboards a try.
A total of 43000$ here in sweden 😅😅
Motor - very cool technology
Battery - same old same old heavy, expensive, sucky crap that can play the thermal runaway game when you least expect or want it.
Buy Dtorque 111 and you will have happiness and savings, good luck😏
22K and 800lbs just for the battery, that's a wrap. I don't even need to know the cost and weight of the motor.
Can it do ship to shore power supply.
I made it past the price. I did not make it past the one hour full throttle runtime with the $20k in batteries. They need a full solar roof so you could limp home on 800 watts directly from the panels.
Wink. Wink 😊
Put a Sharrow toroidal prop on it and make the hole shot much better....i
Seems like the added weight will reduce seating capacity and negatively effect handling dynamics, the cost is high, lithium ion doesn’t work well with salt water the run times are horrible. Then there’s the where to charge issues?
Yeah man I don't make or sell them, just covering them in content. It's pretty cool from an engineering and technical stance but definitely not cost effective enough yet. Time will tell if they can get weight down, run time up, and cost down. There's definitely a lot to criticize, and true at that, but everyone has to start somewhere. It will be interesting to see where they are in 10 years, win or lose.
Seriously??? Like there aren't electric outlets on virtually every damn dock today.
Let me guess, lithium batteries that explode when lithium is exposed to water.
No. Your confusing Li-Ion w/ LiFePo4, the marine gold standard. Some cheaper ones run nickel manganese internally and are subject to thermal runaway.
With the batterys, motor, bms and controller, cockpit controls , installation its is going to be around $50,000, add a hard top and solar system another $20,000, pluss the boat $30,000 + . So for around $100,000 you will have a boat that does 20 mph for one hour, then can sit around for 8 hours to recharge. No thanks could find other ways to spend that kind of money. Plus it's a boat so you are just flushing your money down the toilet anyway.
last time i checked water and high voltage do not mix
As always, energy density rears its ugly head. I thought 1000 lbs of battery in most electric cars was nuts. 800lbs in a little 20' pontoon with 1 hr (claimed) runtime means this is fine for tooling around the marina or staying close to home and dropping anchor. You couldn't take the family out for the day with this, which is par for the course since electric boats were first tried a century ago. They look better these days, though.
Waaay too much weight for only 50hp
Y’all go try that I wouldn’t get out on the water with just an electric motor You better have a backup
can it get me to hawaii from LA with solar panels??
Something about electricity and salt water just doesn't seem right 😀
Looking for 8-12 hours at 5-10 knots on a 30-50ft boat.
You can piss on any electric outboard in my book and have better luck
Wrong
Oh no more fires breaking out on boats now. 😮😮😮
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
want electric jet ski
Buy o n e
Lol..."if" it ever caught fire, like they tend to do occasionally, it would be impossible to extinguish...even as it goes under water.
They need Micro Nuclear Cells in order for electric to be viable. Electric stuff is ok for short range stuff. BUT is prone to overheat very easily and once battery fires start you are not putting it out and they're toxic asF.
Battery tech just not there yet
yah man, true
It never will be. As an engineer, we call it Physics…. 😀
What can you tell us about safety. Obviously with a massive lithium battery potentially in saltwater we see many EVs catch fire. There also seems to be a lot of potential for electrocution. What has the company done to make these bulletproof and safe? I see nice connectors but that doesn't seem to be a full solution given the many EV fires we see after hurricaines. Im wanting something for a salt water and more stormy environment than a pontoon boat in a sunny climate. Do you have some information directed at how to have these installed and be safe in a wet environment?
Does it burn up while charging? Water and electric is a bad combination
Can't wait to see the fires! Tech is not ready yet since we've decided to stay with Li-po crap.
Y cuanto vale el motor?
Assuming you are getting 740 watts of eff8ciency.. you should be seeing north of 53kw of output.
Too expensive for the lack of speed and run time. Batteries are way too high. Good luck selling that.
It's definitely expensive. It's a small market aimed at a particular use, not necessarily for everyone or a replacement for gas at this point. Only time will tell.
Has it got enough power to push through the Surf Zone? 1hr of riding is not Safe.
Wrobg
I got 560ah cost me 2200 battery's ate cheaper now
Electricity and water. What could POSSIBLY go wrong? LOL! 😂😂😂
Batteries on boats are nothing new. Bass fishermen have been using electric trolling motors since 1934, the year Minn Kota was created.
No way this is economically feasible……😂
Wrkbg
My idea is still not being done. SOON LOL
What’s the range?
Bring a portable generator with you just in case.
Yes
The power draw will destroy the batteries so fast it's not worth even building the thing with their RnD.
Yeah - Totally silly money for the performance. I'd say this only makes sense for a location where fuel is difficult to deliver or overly cost prohibitive - like on an island possibly with a decent solar array to charge it. Otherwise - silly money.
Oh darling I misjudged the power consumption and a storm is headed our way. Pass me the extension cord please. 😙wonderful.
Wrobg
The Tech is great! the price is obsurd! i could buy a 4 stroke 50 five times over. So "thats a no for me dawg!"
What about charge time and run time. 80 to 100 miles
Here's the thing where you going to bring this boat when it breaks down because no Marina is going to go with in 8,000 ft of this mortar.
Nope. Battery for this has got to be huge with a limited range. Maybe if you put solar panels on top of the boat but that’s even more weight. So no go.
How is this even remotely competitive in terms of cost 😂
Wow! This tech is sooo ridiculously expensive! And companies just seem so out of touch! U can easily diy a similar battery capacity for a fraction on their msrp. I just don't get who they expect to invest this kind of money for 1-2 hrs of run time, not to mention the added costs of charging & maintenance expenses...
I didn't catch the running time on a charge
That dudes name is not Danny.
I would think 1 battery on a smaller boat would work for a small lake.