I just found you. I am going to binge on you. Your playlists are amazing. This is so romantic for me....music included. You rock. I like your aesthetic style also. Yeah, you in the background. 👍
Thracian written was discovered by Claude Brixhe in 1994 in Samothrace. Documents of the Samothracian language further evince a Thracian presence on Samothrace where Orpheus was teaching the Mysteries of the Kabeiroi.
Wow just stumbled across your absolute gem of a youtube channel. Subbing now. I agree with the other post regarding appealing aesthetic of your channel. It makes it all so much more enjoyable.
Wow I finally finished binge watching all your videos you sir are spectacular One day I hope you make a series on Hegel so I can understand him hahahahahaha
@@mathiaswarnes6350 hahahaha number 1 fan Yes you videos are very informative and of superlative quality I’m planning to start a philosophy course this September so watching your videos has helped preparing me
About ' the drop of foreign blood' >>Most of the Orphic teachings resemble well Aryan teachings later on absorbed in Hinduism. Prof.Dr.Frits Staal in Discovering the Vedas stated that to the West and to the East of the Zoroastrian population the Iranic /or Aryan block was Vedic.
The Greek researcher should look at the red figure Greek ceramics and see Orpheus in Thracian vestments closely resembling Scythian vestments[unearthed & fairly well preserved]. Orpheus is also shown singing to Thracian shepherds wearing Thracian tunics white with black patterns identifying the tribe.
@user-gv8ks1zz1m in which case, rather than containing an injection of Egyptian and Near Eastern ideas into Greek religion, it may be the preservation of an even more archaic Indo-European tradition, possibly originally of Sabazios. Rather than being a foreign introduction to Greek religion, it's more of a *re*-introduction into Greece of ideas their Bronze Age ancestors held.
Dionysus[ the God of the Dionysiac Maenads who killed Orpheus]was shown to be Lord Shiva...in Gods of Love and Ecstasy...by Alain Daniélou- a well known Indologist.
I believe I stumbled upon your channel because I have been pondering a movie called The Ninth Gate (often given thumbs down by reviewers, notorious for unexplained, "weak" ending) and I started looking into the history of mystical ascent to heaven and descent to the Underworld. From your video here, I'm thinking the mysterious Girl with Green Eyes in this movie is a version of Hermes, the Guide to the Underworld. Well, the movie is just too weird to recommend, but if you know it and like it, maybe you could do a video on it.
I hadn’t seen it before and enjoyed it. It’s a Polanski starring Depp and one of the few well done films about esoteric manuscripts, so thanks for the recommend.
Last and not least is the Thracian presence in artefacts, Graves, frescoes, and Perperikon. The physicality of this presence forces for reconsidering and re-writing some history. The same goes for Anatolian cultures[Luwian cultures on the W coast, especially].
It strikes me that the Orphic conception of Pan seems to be setup as a kind of counterpoint to Orpheus himself through his relationship to Apollo. Pan is one of the figures who seems most changed in the Orphic hymns from the way Ovid characterizes him. It is also interesting that Mania defeats Orpheus in the myths. Are we meant to draw a relationship between Pan and Mania?
French scholarship...Orpheus is from Arbhigu, a nickname of Indra. Thracians were east Iranic, speaking a language close to Sanskrit. East of the Caspian other relatives. Only a wedge inbetween were Zoroastrians speaking Persian[W Iranic][Frits Staal s Discovering the Vedas]. Wikipedia Scythian Religion compares Hinduism to Scythian Religion---Sveshtari Tomb Artimpasa Scythian godess as a caryatid sustains ceiling].
While Orpheus was studied for his Shamanistic features, that stem from his Thracian background, the Egyptian and Mideast links of Orphism are touted loudly, ignoring his Thracian origin conveniently ignoring material available from the archeology of Thrace, Scythia[on Ukranian territory]and the investigations of Viktor Sarianidi[See Black Sands on TH-cam]. Where is shamanism in Egypt or the Near East?
The Problem that lies before Greek specialists[mentioned earlier in this Clip] is twofold:: their nationalism and their ignorance of Sanskrit and Vedism. They will have to come to grips with the history of Anatolia currently coming to light in the over 400+ sites in Anatolia including the stellae in Anatolian languages some of which are bilingual with Greek.
lol, the vocals are way louder than the background but a lot of ppl just don’t like immersive background music while listening to a lecture. i get the same amount of compliments about the music so i really think its a brain preference thing. this channel is lecture with music so if no likey that, fine to move on😉
@@mathiaswarnes6350 no fine, likey the lecture too much but will whine about the music bcs WTF… it’s pretty tightly packed with information and I need to focus bcs I can’t find enough good material on the subject I’m currently obsessed with. This isn’t even focus music. Anyway, what make you of the ending where Orpheus starts the practice among the men with young boys - what’s that supposed to mean in the context of Orpheus and Eurydice tale? I’m considering studying Latin to understand more of Metamorphosis the way it was intended with all its metaphorical significance.
@@mathiaswarnes6350 I love both the music and the lecture just not them together! :))) But that’s all not as relevant as the value of your lecture!!! Thank you very much for uploading this! Great material!
@@roseabida676 Try Guthrie’s book to start on the testimonial traditions re. misogyny, pederasty, etc… I think they are likely a later mythic invention that reflects classical mores more than anything solid in Orphic cult and religion.
@@roseabida676 Thank you! Maybe try gettin stoned to deprogram that only mood music with complicated lecture brain lol. There’s purpose to all the sounds for those who like parallel musical and cognitive journeys (no I wasn’t stoned when I worked on the playlist)😇
Wow, awesome. In depth enough to stand alone, but ushers in enough citation to take it up ourselves. Thanks for doing this...
I'm an amateur student of Greek myth. Having just read West's Orphic Poems, I very much enjoyed your video. Superb content and form.
I just found you. I am going to binge on you. Your playlists are amazing. This is so romantic for me....music included. You rock. I like your aesthetic style also. Yeah, you in the background. 👍
That’s so sweet, thank-you!
I enjoyed the presentation. Thank you for your good work.
I just discovered your channel and I'm hooked! Great information. Thank you! 😁
Thracian written was discovered by Claude Brixhe in 1994 in Samothrace. Documents of the Samothracian language further evince a Thracian presence on Samothrace where Orpheus was teaching the Mysteries of the Kabeiroi.
Wow just stumbled across your absolute gem of a youtube channel. Subbing now. I agree with the other post regarding appealing aesthetic of your channel. It makes it all so much more enjoyable.
Wow I finally finished binge watching all your videos you sir are spectacular
One day I hope you make a series on Hegel so I can understand him hahahahahaha
Wow! Waa? Did you really watch all of them? There are like over 100! That's wild. Def. #1 Fan Status. :)
@@mathiaswarnes6350 hahahaha number 1 fan
Yes you videos are very informative and of superlative quality
I’m planning to start a philosophy course this September so watching your videos has helped preparing me
About ' the drop of foreign blood' >>Most of the Orphic teachings resemble well Aryan teachings later on absorbed in Hinduism. Prof.Dr.Frits Staal in Discovering the Vedas stated that to the West and to the East of the Zoroastrian population the Iranic /or Aryan block was Vedic.
The Greek researcher should look at the red figure Greek ceramics and see Orpheus in Thracian vestments closely resembling Scythian vestments[unearthed & fairly well preserved]. Orpheus is also shown singing to Thracian shepherds wearing Thracian tunics white with black patterns identifying the tribe.
Exactly, Orphism is now believed to originate fro the Thracians and borrowed from the Greeks.
@user-gv8ks1zz1m in which case, rather than containing an injection of Egyptian and Near Eastern ideas into Greek religion, it may be the preservation of an even more archaic Indo-European tradition, possibly originally of Sabazios. Rather than being a foreign introduction to Greek religion, it's more of a *re*-introduction into Greece of ideas their Bronze Age ancestors held.
Music playing during the monologue? Why? Just why?
Because: Orpheus
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Dionysus[ the God of the Dionysiac Maenads who killed Orpheus]was shown to be Lord Shiva...in Gods of Love and Ecstasy...by Alain Daniélou- a well known Indologist.
Force of destruction?
Is that so I suspect Shiva is Enki they both do that little dance I suspect both their artefacts not as old as made out they are.
I believe I stumbled upon your channel because I have been pondering a movie called The Ninth Gate (often given thumbs down by reviewers, notorious for unexplained, "weak" ending) and I started looking into the history of mystical ascent to heaven and descent to the Underworld. From your video here, I'm thinking the mysterious Girl with Green Eyes in this movie is a version of Hermes, the Guide to the Underworld. Well, the movie is just too weird to recommend, but if you know it and like it, maybe you could do a video on it.
I hadn’t seen it before and enjoyed it. It’s a Polanski starring Depp and one of the few well done films about esoteric manuscripts, so thanks for the recommend.
@@mathiaswarnes6350 You are welcome!
Depp is Hermes his name (Corso) means run. The ninth gate also connects to the nine muses of which one is his mother, Hermes invented the lyre....
@@lxdr1f792 Corso hardly knows what is going on during the whole movie.
Love that movie. Every time I watch it every 10 years it means more and more.
Last and not least is the Thracian presence in artefacts, Graves, frescoes, and Perperikon. The physicality of this presence forces for reconsidering and re-writing some history. The same goes for Anatolian cultures[Luwian cultures on the W coast, especially].
Is there a music list? I loved it. I'm laughing at the comments. We come here for Orpheus then complain about music. 😂
It strikes me that the Orphic conception of Pan seems to be setup as a kind of counterpoint to Orpheus himself through his relationship to Apollo. Pan is one of the figures who seems most changed in the Orphic hymns from the way Ovid characterizes him. It is also interesting that Mania defeats Orpheus in the myths. Are we meant to draw a relationship between Pan and Mania?
Is there a version without music
The music is too loud and distracts.
French scholarship...Orpheus is from Arbhigu, a nickname of Indra. Thracians were east Iranic, speaking a language close to Sanskrit. East of the Caspian other relatives. Only a wedge inbetween were Zoroastrians speaking Persian[W Iranic][Frits Staal s Discovering the Vedas]. Wikipedia Scythian Religion compares Hinduism to Scythian Religion---Sveshtari Tomb Artimpasa Scythian godess as a caryatid sustains ceiling].
I appreciate the effort and your expertise but should we listen to you or the music? It really gets in the way.
the music is too loud, dnf. shame because i'm sure the actual info is fascinating.
That's what I usually complain about, but it wasn't too loud for me.
Kind of ironic.
While Orpheus was studied for his Shamanistic features, that stem from his Thracian background, the Egyptian and Mideast links of Orphism are touted loudly, ignoring his Thracian origin conveniently ignoring material available from the archeology of Thrace, Scythia[on Ukranian territory]and the investigations of Viktor Sarianidi[See Black Sands on TH-cam]. Where is shamanism in Egypt or the Near East?
The Problem that lies before Greek specialists[mentioned earlier in this Clip] is twofold:: their nationalism and their ignorance of Sanskrit and Vedism. They will have to come to grips with the history of Anatolia currently coming to light in the over 400+ sites in Anatolia including the stellae in Anatolian languages some of which are bilingual with Greek.
Music not loud enough - we can still hear your voice a little bit
lol, the vocals are way louder than the background but a lot of ppl just don’t like immersive background music while listening to a lecture. i get the same amount of compliments about the music so i really think its a brain preference thing. this channel is lecture with music so if no likey that, fine to move on😉
@@mathiaswarnes6350 no fine, likey the lecture too much but will whine about the music bcs WTF… it’s pretty tightly packed with information and I need to focus bcs I can’t find enough good material on the subject I’m currently obsessed with. This isn’t even focus music.
Anyway, what make you of the ending where Orpheus starts the practice among the men with young boys - what’s that supposed to mean in the context of Orpheus and Eurydice tale? I’m considering studying Latin to understand more of Metamorphosis the way it was intended with all its metaphorical significance.
@@mathiaswarnes6350 I love both the music and the lecture just not them together! :)))
But that’s all not as relevant as the value of your lecture!!! Thank you very much for uploading this! Great material!
@@roseabida676 Try Guthrie’s book to start on the testimonial traditions re. misogyny, pederasty, etc… I think they are likely a later mythic invention that reflects classical mores more than anything solid in Orphic cult and religion.
@@roseabida676 Thank you! Maybe try gettin stoned to deprogram that only mood music with complicated lecture brain lol. There’s purpose to all the sounds for those who like parallel musical and cognitive journeys (no I wasn’t stoned when I worked on the playlist)😇