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ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE A COMPLETE SCAM !
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2022
- The ev charging scam has reached a new level, Osprey chargers in the Uk are now charging £1 per kw hour to charge at rapid chargers, the "cheap" alternative to fuel we were promised is complete nonsense , I have a vw e transporter with a 40kw battery that's £40 to travel approx 75 miles, I charge 2 times per day so that is £80 per day to travel 150 miles, this week I travelled over 300 miles in a diesel that cost me half of that !
Do not buy electric vehicles ! you wont be able to afford to drive them.
it costs 74% more to use an electic vehicle... in other words, it costs 380% less to use an internal combustion engine. that is a mean difference of 227%.
Thanks for telling the truth.
Ev are the next 3d Tv.. a fail
We will have to go back to the 1920s using an Horse cart 😂 but seriously we are going to find it very hard to make a living They are just destroying the country and for what?
Wait until electric prices double again.
I am in Thailand and electricity is dirt cheap I cannot understand why electricity is expensive in the uk it is just a complete rip off the uk is wrecked
@@ProBuildCarpenter because people keep electing the Tories, not realising half of em have connections in the bank, energy firms and anything else they can con the public with.. hence all the drama over Putin, they need a public enemy to point fingers at. But never themselves.. and if it the finger does come there way they leave or push an idiot in like Liz truss to blame.
@@johndavies4644 maybe so but the other option is labour who invaded Iraq for imaginary weapons of mass destruction which in turn destabilised the Middle East created isis and the terrorism we now face across the world and their leader starmer turned a blind eye to the grooming gangs in Rochdale and their previous leader corbyn was in bed with the ira so they are all just as bad as one another, we can’t moan about putin invading ukraine to keep nato off it’s doorstep we have invaded far more country’s than Russia and Ukraine are not innocent the azof brigade we are funding are neo nazis it is a well known fact the uk and America has far too many dealings with Ukraine we don’t know about such as joe Biden and his son, I give up on politics it’s an illusion we have a choice they are all scum bags ✌🏻
@@ProBuildCarpenter politricks.. tbf we did steal there land, allow them to starve to death, cause a civil war and give them Ireland back but keep NI.. Blair wasn’t really labour, he even called it new labour…I’m Dennis skinner socialist labour, which is nearly extinct… that’s where I stand anyway.. country is in a right mess though.
@@ProBuildCarpenter the price increases when you shut down all your reactors and replace them with solar...
I use the public charging network for last resort emergencies, and put the absolute minimum amount of charge in to get me to my destination. Some charge point operators scam you with a connection fee. You wouldn't accept paying a connection fee at a petrol pump, why accept a connection fee at a charger. We need to boycott the networks that charge this fee on top of the cost per KWh charging fee. I charge my EV at home during the day for free from my solar panels 99% of the time, as I took a job 5 minutes walk from my house and I have the range to avoid public charging, but I sympathize with people who depend on public charging or can't charge using solar or using an off peak tariff. I also have a diesel car that does 65mpg, but it hardly gets used since buying the EV. Definitely much nicer and cheaper to drive the EV.
I don’t understand how it went from free charging to extortionate charging in the space of 2 years, the councils should be installing the rapid chargers and giving people fair rates but as governments work they let company’s run them and they abuse the public and the government just turn a blind eye and cry global warming made the costs go up it’s bs if I had the range to charge at home I probably would have been happy but I just highlighted how crap it would be for people who need to charge on the go.
Thanks for watching and commenting ✌🏻
I sense an information disconnect. After all, I own an BEV, the ID.4 in my case with around a 230 mile range, and I do 99% of my charging at home. My electric bill (house AND EV together) is only around $50/month (USD).
Of course, I have solar, too. Just a modest 5kW on the garage roof. And I live in California which has some of the most expensive electricity in the U.S. And yet, that little niggling reality that my monthly electricity bill is only $50 and includes both the house and all the driving I do with my EV.
This isn't to say that everyone owns their own home and has solar, but it does point to a level of flexibility for many people that EVs dovetail very nicely into which you could never, ever replicate with a gasoline vehicle. It is an empowerment of the regular man. Even my folks have solar and a little EV now. They figure that it is inflation proof, and they are probably right.
The rest of this article is riddled with major errors too... maintenance is expensive for ALL new vehicles, not just EVs. It is actually more expensive for gasoline vehicles. EVs just don't need a whole lot when it comes to regular maintenance.
I have just received an email from genie point that they will be charging £25 per authorisation before you use their rapid chargers, that’s like $50 the average charge was costing me £17 that’s $34 so it’s not an information disconnect it’s the fact electric charging away from the home is not viable ✌🏻
@@ProBuildCarpenter Pre-authorizations are just a place-holder on your credit card which is replaced by the actual cost when the session is over. I don't understand what your complaint is.
The function of CC pre-authorizations are to allow you to swipe or insert your card at the beginning of the session and then put it away, instead of having to do it at the end of the session which, you can imagine, would cause all sorts of fraud issues in addition to being more annoying. The only other alternative is to swipe your card twice, once at the beginning and once at the end, which nobody wants to do.
When I buy gasoline in the U.S., my card is usually pre-auth'd for $50, and the amount is then replaced within a day or so by the actual amount I spent.
@@junkerzn7312 😂 why are you happy to pay upfront for anything ! Charge your vehicle and pay for what you use ! I have had a charger take 3 payments and still not let me charge at the time it was £15 pre authorisation that’s £45 and I still could not charge, the whole system is just terrible, I can drive to a gas station pump my fuel then go and pay, so if fuel is more expensive why do I have to pay more than the electricity costs upfront before the charger even activates.
You mentioned swiping your card I’m sorry but most of these machines are tan by apps and they already have your bank details when you register so why would they need to pre authorise ? So what fraud issues ? Are you saying people are fraudulently charging electric vehicles ? Driving their electric cars to charge points that have cameras and committing fraud with their own cars ?
If you are happy that’s great ! But Ev is absolute garbage, and I can’t wait until there are news reports complaining how there are thousands of Ev cars piling up with dead battery’s that owners can’t afford to replace, it will be hilarious ! The savings on electric are greatly outweighed by the cost of the car and the cost to replace battery’s WHEN not if but when they die, and who is going to be replacing all of the battery’s ? People will be offloading as soon as the warranty expires
@@ProBuildCarpenter Sign up with a different service then. Sheesh, you are just pasting a wall of nonsense. With that attitude I doubt anything in real life would make you happy.
@@junkerzn7312 haha how can you sign up with a different supplier you go to the closest charge point, half of them don’t work and when you get to them people are charging and you have to wait hours for them to finish shopping and return to leave so you can then plug in😂
Your reality of charging is only good for work commuters that drive very little anyone that has to charge outside the home gets screwed, you are living in a bubble charge at home, drive to work, drive home, charge, go to work, drive home charge.
I use a full charge 3 times per day you think I can drive to the same chargers each time I need a charge haha I have to go to the closest ! I spend approx 135 mins per day charging plus my charge over night 😂😂
same here in sweden. fast charging is an utter joke.
DO NOT BUY AN EV unless you can charge at night on a cheap tarrif
Sadly they don’t show the queues of people sat at charge stations or how many are broken when you get there on the tv adverts, we have to learn the hard way, and tell people about it on social media ✌🏻
67 miles a day, 350 miles a week, less than £10 in electric and that is 100% grid charging. If you drive enough miles, but not too many, and you can charge at home it makes sense. You need to do the homework before buying.
My 23 chevy bolt rocks! I save hundreds every month and have a 280 mile range. 22k after rebates brand new with all options, All EV's are not a scam.
Haha - the penny drops.
Are you completely tied into this van then bud? What would be the damage to hand it back?
No thank god only leased for two years, and for the rate I got it it’s bearable if I had paid more I would be gutted, Everyone I have spoke to about ev vans is sorry for buying them,
If EVs are such a mess, how come the best selling car in the real 2023 world is an EV made by a company which never ever makes commercial ads ? I urge you all to use your brain and realize that such videos are made by people who want you to spend money on gas, on oil changes, maintainance and the hundreds of spare parts that EVs don't need. Hello ?
😂 tin foil hat wearer ☝️but yes I’d rather spend money on fuel and oil than £40,000 on a new battery, I’d also like a Range Rover rather than a plastic car that has an interior based on a doctors chair and an iPad 😂, perhaps Tesla’s are the best selling because people have never tried ev, then when they have they either love it or hate it, it’s not like people change cars every day so today they try a Tesla they check out what the hype is about, realise they have spent a fortune for a car with a terrible Interior and a body style that has not changed in 13 years and is now boring.
Also ev’s also need parts and if you have not heard the local garage cannot service your Tesla it has to go to a special garage that has the monopoly to charge you extra, the parts come from mines in Africa mined by little slave children digging the cobalt and lithium , (you don’t care you can’t see it) so you have a car that is unserviceable by yourself (a fuel car isn’t you can service them yourself) the car has a use life of approx 8 years before you need a new battery that costs the same as a new car (a diesel will run for 20-30 years some even older)
So the choice is yours tin foil hat, buy a plastic iPad that uses child slaves to make it or buy a real luxury car made by adults that will last 3 times as long and !! Can bring a diesel generator to you when your Tesla runs out of charge 😂😂😂
I’ll never buy an EV
Vans have some way to go. Osprey is the most expensive chargers. Classing EVs a scam is disingenuous at best.
We were peddled ev to be cheap and the way forward, it is now more expensive than diesel, less reliable, less available and try to get one repaired ! It took 12 weeks to get in to see a specialist, scam is an understatement thank god it’s leased I would dread to be the fool that paid £80k for a Tesla when the battery’s need replacing, also now we are seeing the slave labour to dig the lithium and also the ecological disaster required to make the battery’s finished with the cherry on top the actual electricity comes from Gas power plants 😂 Not cheap Not renewable Powered by fossil fuels it is a scam of massive proportions.
Well said, diesel isn’t the best thing in the world I agree but this ev market is a scam . On our site they have a ev charger for the site manager s car powered by a generator! Look at irony in that, burning more fuel to fill it full of electricity
It's not a scam, it's just a pain and expensive, both for the driver and those looking after the EV charging network. The EV charging companies have to pay for electricity. If they make a loss they won't be in business very long.
yeah thanks for that explanation...deh
You should install some solar panel, and charge for free, and no taxes !!!
Free !! haha I wouldn't say spending £15,000 on solar panels is a fix for a van with a bad battery 😂 the vans gone now I sent it back most likely it has been crushed, taxes for ev are on the horizon mark my words they can't have cars driving around without generating money
Bruh.... Do you know how long it will take to charge your battery from solar panels 🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The summer will be over before you are done.
@@ProBuildCarpenter yep. we pay 30 quid a year road tax for now on our leaf. but it wont last i garantee you that. sweden is the same as blighty. the cnuts just want to fleece you of cash whenever they can.
plus dont forget once the ev is over 5 years old it's worth about 20 quid. many dealers here wont trade in an ev over 5 years old. way too risky. our leaf was pretty cheap and we paid cash so dont care really as we'll drive it untill it either rusts away or the battery dies.
the saving on fuel road tax and servicing is still worth it for us.
@@isaachunt5799 the idea is amazing but it just has not been planned properly, I’m no fool I genuinely gave it a go and thought I could save money, it just caused stress, VW lies on range was the biggest deception. As long as you can save money by getting cheap electricity it’s a bonus but you are correct you have to get a cheap one let someone lose their money buying it then use it until it dies or sell it just before it does. They certainly are not renewable in any way shape or form, they are finding wind farm blades all over Australia now piles of them dumped that can’t be recycled and they call it renewable.
Thanks for commenting and all the best ✌🏻
@@ProBuildCarpenter i'm just a working bloke like you mate. i'm a floor fitter. i feel for you dude. life's hard enough without having this shite aye?
i have a company transit van lwb and there's not a chance in hell a battery version of this will ever work.
stick with diesel for a van.
all the best.
cheers.
It isn't the vehicles, it's the rapid-charger company that's screwing you over. Get a rack of PV panels and BUY a good high output charger to go with it. BTW, here in the USA I can charge all night long for 10 cents a kWh.
True, it is the network that is crap but we are reliant on the network so it ruins the whole concept, pv panels in the uk are useless, houses don’t have large roofs like in the USA and have nowhere to place the battery banks and if you can afford them, to charge the van I have over night takes around 10 hours on the mains and 45-50 mins on a rapid charger, some morning I get up and it hasn’t fully charged and a couple of times has turned off charging so how do you come back from that you wake up and your day is ruined you have to go and charge for for best part of an hour before you can get to work, pissed off customers and I end up pissed off. I’m gonna stick to diesel for work vehicles when this goes back ✌🏻
Claim that even at £1 per kwh means its more expensive than petrol and diesel. Nope. As I've explained in another message. Most is much cheaper than petrol.
Like anything, If something goes up, you go elsewhere. If a tin of beans goes up then ou don't condem all beans, you just go and buy them elsewhere. 99% of charging isn't at this rate. To slag something off for something that applies 1% of the time is wrong. It's like me having one bad carpenter in my home and condemning you all and saying you are scammers. If you are unhappy with the pricing of 1 company then call them out as individuals.
Another option would be charge at home via a 3 pin plug. As the vans only got a small range this wouldn't be an issue and people are on 7.5p and 12p per kwh. Far far from the £1 you are saying. You wouldn't need a fancy charger either. Tha 80 mile wold have cost £1.50. Also the cheap off peak tarrif could have then been used to power your white goods too and save over £100 a year with ease too.
As for the van. I've heard good things but also you could have gotten a better one as it's probably the worst for range etc. But it's about research.
Also no one promised you cheap electricity. But let's look at why electricity is what it is. Despite most energy being produced by renewables which is cheap, ours is priced at the highest priced method of production which is gas. Same goes fo electricity at home. Good old gvt. So if you're unhappy then remember and vote accordingly. They're trying to correct this and have electricity produced based on is the production costs but obviously fossil fuel companies are unhappy and they have a financial influence on politics.
As for all of them going to £1. Absolutely twoddle.
Bottom line there was many productive and accurate things you could have done and this wasn't one
The van can only travel 80 miles on a charge it’s battery’s are 40kw at £1 per kw that is £40 to travel 80 miles it is a fact or was at the time of posting
Then you say charge at home how do I get home if I need to charge to get home.
Then there’s the cost of sitting at a charger waiting for it to become free let’s say another £30 per hour
So to charge at instavolt costs £40 for the charge then £30 for time lost = £70 to travel 80 miles
Ev is useless for commercial use.
Then let’s look at people’s electricity bills you say use another charge point but they all charge similar rates because they all buy the energy from the same supplier people have been getting £700 bills
Burying your head in the sand and saying everything is ok is ridiculous.
For £80 worth of diesel you can travel 180 miles and you can refuel at multiple locations in under 3 minutes
Ev is heading for a train wreck everyone will become dependant then electricity costs will soar this video is old now the cost of ev chargers is approx 70-79p pkw so for the 80 miles at 75p costs £30 still double tile cost of diesel
The diesel transporter can do 40 miles per gallon 4 litres per gallon x £1.75 x 2 = £14 to travel 80 miles
So that blows your argument out of the water as doing the same as diesel for the same price ev was marketed as the cheap alternative now it is double the price, unreliable, and the cost is too easily manipulated where crude oil works on the global cost uk electricity does whatever it wants because it has zero competition such as Saudi Arabia importing 1,000,000 barrels of electricity 😂 never going to happen.
Good look with your ev car i wouldn’t wish one on my worst enemy.
Bring some facts to rebut my statements not feelings ✌🏻
Also 7.5p x 40kwh is £3.00 not £1.50 and not sure where you got those rates because the average is nearly 19p per kWh
@ProBuildCarpenter Didn't know what size battery you had but thanks for giving figures and approx figures re cost
Also why slag off evs when ou are annoyed at a) vans and b) the cost of 1 provider. Seems bizzare
To the maths
My £1.50 or whatever I said was based on a fantastic miles per kwh in an efficient ev, not a van. You know the same evs that you are slagging off. So that's where I get 1.8p per mile. Just shows how inefficient the van is. But even now we know your battery size is 40 thaen that would be 3.75p at home. There are providers that charge 12p. But even at 19p per kw that's still 17.6p per kw which is cheaper than public.
Plus you can save extra cash by using white goods off peak too. Win win. A 3 pin plug would do the 80miles so don't need a separate charge. You charge as ou sleep. also acknowledge 80% of charging is done at home. You don't need to charge during the day with a premium fast charger.
So to slag off all evs (not just vans) and the charging networkd based on the highest price of pboic charging that's only used 20% of the time is silly. As I said before. The use of the most expensive public chargers probably equates to 1% of all charging. So why base our argument on something that's the minority of cases.
Also you weren't promised electric would stay low. But clearly you've not done the maths and worked ot what if public charging on one of the fastest chargers were to go up. .
Instead yo should have moaned about that 1 company as others have done.
@@paulevans7560 The plug in charge at home you mention is also rubbish, I had one and it would constantly trip the fuse and I would get up to a van that has not charged and you say I didn’t do the maths on the public chargers going up 😂 who could predict they would go from 40p to £1 within a year.
You are clearly a defender of EV arguing with someone who has had nothing but bad experiences telling people why it is so bad, start your own channel and tell people why it is good.
1 charging outside the home is now more expensive than fuel if you want to drive to work and back ok but try driving somewhere for a holiday, that £80-100k car just turned into an expensive taxi you could pay a price hire to do that and save your money it’s useless for long journeys
2) the cars are now a lot more expensive than fuel cars some even double the cost of its fuel powered alternative where is the saving if you were promised cheap electric for fuel but pay double for the car 😂 the wool has been pulled over your eyes
3 they are not better for the planet, the batteries components are mined by children in some places and the rest mined by diesel machines, the power in the uk is also provided by power plants most of which are oil and gas fossil fuels
4 they are harder to maintain with long wait times for repairs it took 12 weeks to get mine into Volkswagen the average garage can’t service them so you pay more for specialist servicing
5 the battery’s need replacing and cost more than the car is worth eg Tesla battery’s you get a 4 year warranty or 50,000 miles 😂 I can drive 50k in 2 years so good luck if your battery fails and if it fails you get a £9000 bill to replace the battery I just got a new car it’s 7 years warranty and nothing will cost £9000 to replace
So here is my final statement why EV is bullshit and fuel cars are better
fuel cars are cheaper to purchase ,travel more miles, are easy to service, cheaper to maintain, have longer warranty, fuel is cheaper per mile while on the go, you can refuel in under 3 minutes not 1-10 hours, fuel cars look better !, fuel cars are available to all.
Please let me know why ev cars are better.
You ask why I slag off EV because the whole concept is based on lies
@ProBuildCarpenter If its tripping then get the electrics sorted. Or Lowe the amperage. Always a solution.
No one knows the future, apart from you in our vid who say "they'll all go to £1"
Fact remains and I'll say it for the 3rd time. Our headline of evs ar bbish isn't valid jus because of ou van and just because one provider is charging £1.
Charging outside is not more expensive. For electric cars the price per kwh needs to be 80p to equate to a fiesta price of fuel. For a heavy van with a higher price of petrol per mile then this will also mean it would be 90p or close to £1 to break even. However still MOST CHARGINT isn't at tha level.
As for driving for a holiday. Again let's look at stats. 95% of all journeys in uk are less than 25 miles. 99.5% are under 100. So evs do this easily. For those with a van who travel they wouldn't get one with 80 mile range. As I said before, it's aboit research.
Re evs cars are more money than petrol. Again look at facts. Total cost of ownership shows in nearly all cases that the ev works out cheaper. There's more than the initial cost. But again don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
3. Evs are better for environment. Vastly better. Wow for someone who's apaebtk done research you are demonstrating yiu know nothing. Factoring in manufacture of car, batteries, fuel etc. The ice car has 5 to 10 x more carbon foot print. In fact the minerals mined can in an ev go around 500k miles or 40 years then get recycled keeping 100% of the materials. Then do another 40 years approx and 500k miles. Then recycled and on and on. Clear your research again was ineffective either into evs or ice vehicles. Do ou know what the main use of lithium and cobalt was pre evs. Lithium was pharmaceuticals and glazing. Cobalt was taking sulphur from petrol. Yet no one got their nickers in a twist as the didn't actually care. Also those ev materials are approx 0.0000003% of the materials mines, again none of which you actually care about. So don't pretend otherwise. Now look at petrol and diesel. Burned once, need to pump more, efine, transport in a ship being fueled by the dirtiest diesel on the planet etc. More and more is needed. Again ou don't I've a care abot tha.
Evs are for easier to maintain than ice vehicles. Again facts. So much so when evs first came across most automakers hated them as this meant less maintenance work fo them and that is where the majority of an automakers profit comes from. Again facts from accounting and freon thebautomakers themselves. .
Cost of maintenance is less. Again facts.
As for travel more miles. Yi bought an ev after apparently doing research tha gives the smallest range of any ev van... well done. As for evs as a whole. Thy do 250 to 300 miles. That's 5 hrs and olyid be stopping in that time. In fact I do 5 hour trips and instead of stopping fo 10 mins, the car charged In about 7. So the car was waiting for me! Also evs have been all over uk, usa, Europe, etc. Again you are full of shit and are justifying you messing up or simply don't have a clue about evs. In fact I've met more anti ev people who have never been in an ev who know more than you.
As fo based on lies. The lies come from big oil spreading the bs that normally people who haven't been in an ev then repeat. You have and still repeat them. Oh by the way, it's not a conspiracy bt courts have proven this. The hire pr firms to tell people like you what to think. But we'll done for thinking you not being lied to by the multi trillion pound business that stands to lose millions each day that evs get more common
So to conclude. All youve said in the vid was untrue. All you've said here is also untrue and why anyone with a mind would base an argument based on something happening about 1% of the time. If your research led you to these incorect conclusions then im glad im not hiring you. Wow. But I do look forward to your future vids. I also wont reply Any more. Just so this message is easily seen for people.
Enjoy
In Bulgaria like 50 percents of the cars are LPG gas now.
My skoda kamiq 1.5 tsi 150hp cost me to drive 4 euro per 100km
( I'm talking hard driving 150km/h on the autobahn) 😂
I have lpg system from skoda with warranty and everything.
Lpg is very cheap and eco friendly.
Why not just get lpg system?
I just got stung coming home from Devon to Cardiff osprey WTActualF.
Imagine when everyone is dependant on the main electricity provider rather than all of the producers of fuel there will be no alternative choice either you pay the price or don’t drive at least with fuel you have all of the other producers competing on price, Shell, Bp, Texaco all with their own pumps, electricity will be different branded machines all supplied from the same cables ✌🏻 thanks for commenting hope they didn’t sting you too badly
Back to the 1920s using Horse and cart 😂😂. No, but seriously, it’s disgraceful £1 per kw I need take a pre-payment more than you top up