It’s designed for dirt roads it’s not a dirt bike ,I like it feels like a real bike being a single and no fringing plastic ,it’s got plenty of power for the average rider ,you can buy a puck for the stand for peanuts ,joe Ryan took the 411 round Aust ,NZ and Tasy this can do it easyer more power ,he’s now in India riding through the Himalayas with the 450 ,for the price it’s a good all round bike and up to now reliable ,jimmy Australia I’m very happy with mine it more planted and more power than my old honda rally ,no regrets
Absolutely agree with you there! This is definitely no Enduro bike, but definitely capable enough for where most of us are riding! As I mentioned in the episode, it genuinely surprised me and I really do quite like the bike! Awesome to hear that yours has been trouble free, as its always a bit of an unknown with new models until people start using them. Thank you for taking the time to comment! Ride safe bro! ✌🏻
Completely agree! The RE is definitely not an enduro bike, but it's super capable and does what you'd expect it to. I was genuinely surprised by how much I liked the bike when I rode it! Thank you for taking the time to comment!
Bonjour, vousavez totalement raison, il faut les essayer et c'est ce que j'ai fait, sur le papier, mes préférences étaient pour la cf moto 450MT puis après les essais, j'ai craqué pour l'Himalayan 450 avec laquelle je viens de parcourir 1000kms exclusivement sur route pour le moment, j'attends les protection pour la faire sortir de la route. Merci pour votre partage! Grand ✌de la Haute Savoie en France!!!
Thank you for taking the time to comment! Your experience is exactly what I was trying to explain in the episode! On paper, the 450MT should be so much more bike than the RE, but it honestly wasn't in my opinion. After riding the RE, I can agree that it would also be my preference. 😁
That scene at the bay is a sweetspot and the bike contributes to that in the right collor, stunning! You captured the sound of the bike spot on, overall informative and entertaining👏🏻Had two test rides and in a few days will join the RE community on the roads. Going from a supersport 4 cylinder to this check-box-ticking machinery for on road rides🤙🏼 Stoked!🥳
Thank you! I'm very glad to hear that you enjoyed this review as it was my first! The bike actually surprised me, I liked it so much more than I thought I was going to! We are definitely spoiled for views in NZ. 😅 Amazing that you've made the move from the 4cyl to the RE! I hope you'll enjoy it! ✌🏻
I test rode that bike from the same dealer straight after test riding the CFMoto and I couldn't believe how good it was. That gearbox and clutch was buttery smooth 😮
I did notice the stock bars vibrate a bit too, not terrible, but could grow tiresome on long journeys. I imagine a set of aftermarket fat bars with decent bar ends would solve that.
Good point 🤔. The other vibes were through the footpegs which should also be fixable. The bike had only done 330km when I rode it so they may smooth out somewhat after run in?
Thank you for answering that question! It does make sense that RE would tie in that sort of thing, they do like to do little things like that. I do definitely agree, it's a great bike!
Thank you so much! This is my first review, so I'm happy to hear it's being received well! You're right about the wind noise, it got pretty bad towards the end. I had a headwind and I think it had a lot to do with the height of the windshield directing the air right into my face, as I noticed the noise wasn't as evident when I was standing up on the pegs. Thank you for taking the time to comment! ✌🏻
Very good review, yes I like this bike a lot.however, my 23 years old BMW F650GS is still very good, and weighs only 388 lbs dry! So I'm good for a while...!
Thank you! This was my first review, so I'm pleased to hear you enjoyed it! Totally understandable with the F650GS, if it's working for you then there's zero reason to replace it. That's why I frequently say that the best adventure bike is the one you have! 😁 Thank you for taking the time to comment and ride safe out there! ✌🏻
Thank you for your support! Very happy to hear that you enjoyed this, as its my first ever review! 😁 The RE would be a fantastic bike for anyone looking to tour and do some light to moderate off-road but I think it may be a bit too much bike for a beginner to take seriously off-road, there are definitely better options. But, that's just my opinion!
Good review, thanks from over the ditch from a 411 owner (now 443cc and slightly modified!), I hated the look of this bike and would not have considered it until hearing a few very complimentary reviews.
Thank you for your support! It's interesting to hear that you went from the 411 to the 443, I'd be interested to hear if you find some similarities between the bikes at all? As I mentioned in the episode, I personally felt that the new RE still has some of the feeling of the old model and I'm wondering if it was just me that got that feeling. Thank you for taking the time to comment!
@TheBadIdeaBros Yet to ride the new Bike, from the beginning I disliked the looks being such a divergence from the 411 which I bought hoping it would be a bit like the Trail Bikes of old. I was underwhelmed by the power output but thought that I could make improvements. On the Dyno I have made 48 percent more power than stock which makes it more fun to ride. As for the 450 which has been sometimes described as lacking in low end power, I have just seen a new Camshaft in development that supposedly rectifies that.
If that camshaft got it producing more low end power it'd really wake the bike up! In it's stock form, the behavior of it's power curve is really forgiving and probably fantastic for a new rider. Impressive results with your old bike though! Did the upping of power generate much more engine temp?
Honestly not something that I noticed. I did only have the demo bike for a day though, so it is maybe a known issue, but not something I'm aware of sorry. Sorry I couldn't help!
Fantastic review mate , I’m thinking of selling my 300 Rally and buying the Himi 450 ( over the MT ) due to its honest Original styling and all round design . Unlike the “ copy and paste of the MT 450 .
Thank you! I'm really happy to hear that you enjoyed the review, as this is my first! I do admit that I really like the RE, but even if I pulled the trigger and got one I'd still keep my Rally as they are two different tools for two different jobs. In my opinion I would be using the RE more for touring and up to grade 3 gravel. The Rally for everything above G3. 😁
@@TheBadIdeaBros “ I agree ☝️ they are two different tools for the job “ BUT my dilemma is I have 4 bikes , a Moto Guzzi V85tt - for my road riding , touring and LIGHT off road . Also the Rally for my Hard off road and a Suzuki SV 650 ( in my winter home up north near Cairns in Australia) and ab old 1999 Kawasaki Super Shepa 250 - that turned 25 years old last month. I can now put it on Historic registration- which is cheap. So my dilemma is I pay TO much to register and insure 3 bikes . I’m definitely keeping the Guzzi and the Super Shepa- it will be super Cheap rego . so if I sell the SV and Rally - the Rally and Get a Himi it will do the majority of off road riding I do and the on road better . I think 🤔 it’s the way to go in my situation.
My daily is a Rally and they are definitely an amazing bike, but they do have their limitations and really are a different tool to the RE. Broadly saying that the Rally is a better bike is a little unjustified as you haven't gone into specifics; the Rally is better at some things and the RE is better at others. It's not a "comparing apples to apples" scenario.
In your situation, I feel that I would find myself doing the same thing. You have a great understanding of what each bike was designed for and it sounds like you're using them well! It's refreshing to have comments from a fellow rider that realizes there is no such thing as a "perfect bike" that will do it all.
That was my assumption too, but I actually checked it at a gas station after filming and found it to be within spec. Admittedly on the lower side, but still within the window of what I'd call an acceptable road pressure. It could have honestly been because I've not ridden anything without reasonably aggressive knobbies for ages now and they do behave differently on the road. 🤷♂️😅
I was extremely impressed by the RE, and having ridden the 450MT recently, I genuinely feel that they are both a lot of bang for buck.. But I do personally love that single in the RE. 😁
Completely valid point that im sure plenty would agree with you on! The location of the air filter definitely could be easier to access, but I guess there's something on every bike that could be done better.. Honestly, for me, taking a few minutes to pull the tank isn't a huge deal, so not a problem in my eyes.
At the end of the day it all has to go somewhere. 😅 As long as it's in a location that it's sucking cool, clean(ish) air, I feel that's the most important thing.
Looked at the Himalayan and CFmoto a couple of weeks back at the LAMS show at Wigram. They both looked too heavy and bulky for this skinny, broken fella.
Neither of them are super lightweight, but they're both more touring than endure. Different tools for different jobs. That's why I find it so hard to part with my Rally. 😅
@@TheBadIdeaBros Even the crf250/300's seem way too heavy. I remember my previous bike was 101kg dry (about 110kg wet) and made 24HP (1983 XR200RD). Admittedly that was an enduro race bike of the time, factory warranty only covered it for races up to 72 hours duration. I'm probably being over cautious of my partly paralysed left leg and not as young as I once was.
I'd have to disagree with you in regard to the bike being top heavy. I personally found the 450MT to feel more top heavy than the RE, but that could come down to riding style. That being said, both bikes feel like they're geared more towards touring with the ability to handle off-road.
Everyone can have an opinion! There’s plenty of vids of YTers have taken this bike off road - remember it was launched in the Himalayas - MAD TV love the bike, so I wouldn’t pigeon hole this bike “for the black stuff”
It’s designed for dirt roads it’s not a dirt bike ,I like it feels like a real bike being a single and no fringing plastic ,it’s got plenty of power for the average rider ,you can buy a puck for the stand for peanuts ,joe Ryan took the 411 round Aust ,NZ and Tasy this can do it easyer more power ,he’s now in India riding through the Himalayas with the 450 ,for the price it’s a good all round bike and up to now reliable ,jimmy Australia I’m very happy with mine it more planted and more power than my old honda rally ,no regrets
Absolutely agree with you there! This is definitely no Enduro bike, but definitely capable enough for where most of us are riding! As I mentioned in the episode, it genuinely surprised me and I really do quite like the bike! Awesome to hear that yours has been trouble free, as its always a bit of an unknown with new models until people start using them. Thank you for taking the time to comment! Ride safe bro! ✌🏻
This is a really good value bike it dose everything it says on the tin ,it’s not a dirt bike 👍😀
Completely agree! The RE is definitely not an enduro bike, but it's super capable and does what you'd expect it to. I was genuinely surprised by how much I liked the bike when I rode it! Thank you for taking the time to comment!
Bonjour, vousavez totalement raison, il faut les essayer et c'est ce que j'ai fait, sur le papier, mes préférences étaient pour la cf moto 450MT puis après les essais, j'ai craqué pour l'Himalayan 450 avec laquelle je viens de parcourir 1000kms exclusivement sur route pour le moment, j'attends les protection pour la faire sortir de la route. Merci pour votre partage! Grand ✌de la Haute Savoie en France!!!
Thank you for taking the time to comment! Your experience is exactly what I was trying to explain in the episode! On paper, the 450MT should be so much more bike than the RE, but it honestly wasn't in my opinion. After riding the RE, I can agree that it would also be my preference. 😁
That scene at the bay is a sweetspot and the bike contributes to that in the right collor, stunning! You captured the sound of the bike spot on, overall informative and entertaining👏🏻Had two test rides and in a few days will join the RE community on the roads. Going from a supersport 4 cylinder to this check-box-ticking machinery for on road rides🤙🏼 Stoked!🥳
Thank you! I'm very glad to hear that you enjoyed this review as it was my first! The bike actually surprised me, I liked it so much more than I thought I was going to! We are definitely spoiled for views in NZ. 😅 Amazing that you've made the move from the 4cyl to the RE! I hope you'll enjoy it! ✌🏻
I test rode that bike from the same dealer straight after test riding the CFMoto and I couldn't believe how good it was. That gearbox and clutch was buttery smooth 😮
The gearbox is fantastic, isn't it! Awesome that you were able to ride both on the same day! 😁
Found it considerably more vibey than my DR 650 though.
I did notice the stock bars vibrate a bit too, not terrible, but could grow tiresome on long journeys. I imagine a set of aftermarket fat bars with decent bar ends would solve that.
Good point 🤔. The other vibes were through the footpegs which should also be fixable. The bike had only done 330km when I rode it so they may smooth out somewhat after run in?
Potentially. With such low k's moving components may still be mating.
Re the colour: I believe that grey represents Himalayan rocks, while pink is Himalayan salt. Great bike, IMHO
Thank you for answering that question! It does make sense that RE would tie in that sort of thing, they do like to do little things like that. I do definitely agree, it's a great bike!
Tosi hyvä video, kiitos siitä 👍🏻
Thank you! This is my first review, so I am very happy to hear you enjoyed it! 😁 Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Great review!
Great bike aswell!
One little suggestion though, try to reduce the wind noise on the audio😁
Thank you so much! This is my first review, so I'm happy to hear it's being received well! You're right about the wind noise, it got pretty bad towards the end. I had a headwind and I think it had a lot to do with the height of the windshield directing the air right into my face, as I noticed the noise wasn't as evident when I was standing up on the pegs. Thank you for taking the time to comment! ✌🏻
Very good review, yes I like this bike a lot.however, my 23 years old BMW F650GS is still very good, and weighs only 388 lbs dry! So I'm good for a while...!
Thank you! This was my first review, so I'm pleased to hear you enjoyed it! Totally understandable with the F650GS, if it's working for you then there's zero reason to replace it. That's why I frequently say that the best adventure bike is the one you have! 😁 Thank you for taking the time to comment and ride safe out there! ✌🏻
Excellent review Troy.
It would make a perfect entry bike for any new rider getting into adventure riding.
Thank you for your support! Very happy to hear that you enjoyed this, as its my first ever review! 😁 The RE would be a fantastic bike for anyone looking to tour and do some light to moderate off-road but I think it may be a bit too much bike for a beginner to take seriously off-road, there are definitely better options. But, that's just my opinion!
@@TheBadIdeaBros it would be fun finding out.😀
Absolutely! 😁
Good review, thanks from over the ditch from a 411 owner (now 443cc and slightly modified!), I hated the look of this bike and would not have considered it until hearing a few very complimentary reviews.
Thank you for your support! It's interesting to hear that you went from the 411 to the 443, I'd be interested to hear if you find some similarities between the bikes at all? As I mentioned in the episode, I personally felt that the new RE still has some of the feeling of the old model and I'm wondering if it was just me that got that feeling. Thank you for taking the time to comment!
@TheBadIdeaBros Yet to ride the new Bike, from the beginning I disliked the looks being such a divergence from the 411 which I bought hoping it would be a bit like the Trail Bikes of old.
I was underwhelmed by the power output but thought that I could make improvements.
On the Dyno I have made 48 percent more power than stock which makes it more fun to ride.
As for the 450 which has been sometimes described as lacking in low end power, I have just seen a new Camshaft in development that supposedly rectifies that.
If that camshaft got it producing more low end power it'd really wake the bike up! In it's stock form, the behavior of it's power curve is really forgiving and probably fantastic for a new rider. Impressive results with your old bike though! Did the upping of power generate much more engine temp?
@TheBadIdeaBros not sure about the Engine Temperature, I fitted a larger oil cooler just in case.
A good, easy insurance policy. 👌🏻
Did you notice a loud noise from the fuel pump?if so have you looked into solving it?
Honestly not something that I noticed. I did only have the demo bike for a day though, so it is maybe a known issue, but not something I'm aware of sorry. Sorry I couldn't help!
Fantastic review mate , I’m thinking of selling my 300 Rally and buying the Himi 450 ( over the MT ) due to its honest Original styling and all round design . Unlike the “ copy and paste of the MT 450 .
Thank you! I'm really happy to hear that you enjoyed the review, as this is my first! I do admit that I really like the RE, but even if I pulled the trigger and got one I'd still keep my Rally as they are two different tools for two different jobs. In my opinion I would be using the RE more for touring and up to grade 3 gravel. The Rally for everything above G3. 😁
Honda 300 Rally is better bike ...
@@TheBadIdeaBros “ I agree ☝️ they are two different tools for the job “ BUT my dilemma is I have 4 bikes , a Moto Guzzi V85tt - for my road riding , touring and LIGHT off road . Also the Rally for my Hard off road and a Suzuki SV 650 ( in my winter home up north near Cairns in Australia) and ab old 1999 Kawasaki Super Shepa 250 - that turned 25 years old last month. I can now put it on Historic registration- which is cheap. So my dilemma is I pay TO much to register and insure 3 bikes . I’m definitely keeping the Guzzi and the Super Shepa- it will be super Cheap rego . so if I sell the SV and Rally - the Rally and Get a Himi it will do the majority of off road riding I do and the on road better . I think 🤔 it’s the way to go in my situation.
My daily is a Rally and they are definitely an amazing bike, but they do have their limitations and really are a different tool to the RE. Broadly saying that the Rally is a better bike is a little unjustified as you haven't gone into specifics; the Rally is better at some things and the RE is better at others. It's not a "comparing apples to apples" scenario.
In your situation, I feel that I would find myself doing the same thing. You have a great understanding of what each bike was designed for and it sounds like you're using them well! It's refreshing to have comments from a fellow rider that realizes there is no such thing as a "perfect bike" that will do it all.
In my experience when the front wheel behaves the way you describe it normally means the tire is at a low pressure.
That was my assumption too, but I actually checked it at a gas station after filming and found it to be within spec. Admittedly on the lower side, but still within the window of what I'd call an acceptable road pressure. It could have honestly been because I've not ridden anything without reasonably aggressive knobbies for ages now and they do behave differently on the road. 🤷♂️😅
@@TheBadIdeaBros interesting!
I would have liked longer with it to really put it through it's paces, but feel like I got a decent grasp of the bike on the short loop I took it on.
Good video, audio quality could be improved.
Thank you for your support! Yes, the audio did unfortunately get a bit funky on this one. Just one of those things sadly.
The himalayan looks a robust bike!And like the CFMoto it's great value for the money 🎉.
I was extremely impressed by the RE, and having ridden the 450MT recently, I genuinely feel that they are both a lot of bang for buck.. But I do personally love that single in the RE. 😁
the airfilter access is crap--- it was a deal breaker for me, having to remove a tank to get to a airfilter is ridiculous
Completely valid point that im sure plenty would agree with you on! The location of the air filter definitely could be easier to access, but I guess there's something on every bike that could be done better.. Honestly, for me, taking a few minutes to pull the tank isn't a huge deal, so not a problem in my eyes.
It's all compromise, if they relocated it under the seat you'd complain about the higher seat height.
At the end of the day it all has to go somewhere. 😅 As long as it's in a location that it's sucking cool, clean(ish) air, I feel that's the most important thing.
A high air filter is peace of mind when crossing deep creeks
Also a very valid point!
Looked at the Himalayan and CFmoto a couple of weeks back at the LAMS show at Wigram. They both looked too heavy and bulky for this skinny, broken fella.
Neither of them are super lightweight, but they're both more touring than endure. Different tools for different jobs. That's why I find it so hard to part with my Rally. 😅
@@TheBadIdeaBros Even the crf250/300's seem way too heavy. I remember my previous bike was 101kg dry (about 110kg wet) and made 24HP (1983 XR200RD). Admittedly that was an enduro race bike of the time, factory warranty only covered it for races up to 72 hours duration. I'm probably being over cautious of my partly paralysed left leg and not as young as I once was.
Completely understandable! That's why I always like to say that just because a bike works for one rider, doesn't mean it'll work for every rider! 😊
Too top heavy, tyre size comparitive not, 21 and 18 on the mt way better off rd, for me the Himalayan more for the black stuff.
I'd have to disagree with you in regard to the bike being top heavy. I personally found the 450MT to feel more top heavy than the RE, but that could come down to riding style. That being said, both bikes feel like they're geared more towards touring with the ability to handle off-road.
Everyone can have an opinion! There’s plenty of vids of YTers have taken this bike off road - remember it was launched in the Himalayas - MAD TV love the bike, so I wouldn’t pigeon hole this bike “for the black stuff”
@@martyn_g as u say everyone can have an opinion, cheers🤣
Btw, my DR650 had a 21/17 combo. It was fine off road.
@@martyn_g that's great, good on u.