My parents are from Tlaxcala Mexico(i was born and grew in LA CA) ive gone to visit multiple times. And the aztecs didnt give pity to them. Despite their numerous attempts they where never able to conquer Tlaxcala because yes they were a smaller state but had far stronger warriors than the aztecs. So during the battles the aztecs were only able to take a few captured warriors back to their sacrifices not whole massacres
They didn't actually sacrafice.. thats a Catholic Church addition to their narrative. They said the same about the Viking and Japanese, meanwhile Sweden and Japan have lowest crime rates and well the Vatican , has priests who can't keep their hands to themselves around little boys. In fact RICHARD the LIONHART partook in CANABLISM. '"We shall never die of hunger While that we may first Slay the Saracens downright Wash the flesh and roast the head..." ...this is what he said after his cooks had prepped him a meal with Sacren meat. The Tartarians also practiced it. So the Kings of Europe would eat their opponents for medicinal purposes does it mean that all Western Europeans partook in their crimes. No. Stop justifiying the genocide of Nahuatl people for this, if they partook in mass sacrafice, how come none of the other native tribes partook in it? The reason why Mexicoatl did not take out Tlaxcala was because they were an alliance in the Azcapuzalco war, they had just started to fight against each other around 1500 as the Mexicoatl annexed Cholula against Tlaxcalan wishes. When Iberians arrive the war had already started and Tlaxcala would have won because the Tarascans had just joined them. But history would repeat itself, as Tlaxcala and New Spain was overthrown by the Mestizo class of Tenochtilan (Mexicoatl) now called Mexico City, hence the reason why the country was called Mexico instead of Tlaxico.
If you listen to the documentary, they were deliberately not destroyed to provide captives for the flowery wars. That does not mean that the empire that dominated everything down to Guatemala could not take over a small area like Tlaxcala. But, the captives had to come from somewhere.
Yeah, they had no reason to like the Aztecs. Although, the Spaniards did deal poorly with the other native groups. The greater part of the suffering the Spanish brought was in the form of plagues and germs. Rather than intended killing and cruelty.
Tlaxcalan’s were masters of their fate. They were are an example of a First Nations people that stopped the Europeans and used them to gain independence.
@@nomadicvaquero2791 I believe the Tlaxcalan’s had the power if you read Cortes journals he says the stopped them and it was their chiefs that saw wisdom in using the Spaniards against their common foe.
My family tree goes back to the Tlaxcala! The spanish gave my family a new last name wayyy back then when they formed the alliance. Its my moms maiden name. Very interesting.
That's a fact, not an opinion. Why was it like that? Well, that's because the spaniards actually wanted the amerindians to convert and save their souls.. anglos (puritans + other protestant sectarians) on the other hand, thought of themselves as the new israelites, thought that america was their new promised land and that the north amerindian population were the Canaanites, so their job was to kill them all right from the start. This is actually 100% true, too. E. Michael Jones talked about it a lot in many of his podcasts, for example.
You should check out the book 'The Life of Fr. De Smet' to learn just how much progress the Jesuit fathers were making with the tribes in the United States. It's an amazing story and not a widely known part of American and Catholic history.
Anyone studying the conquest of Mexico should definitely check out the book 'Our Lady of Guadalupe and the Conquest of Darkness' by Warren H. Carroll. It's a fantastic retelling of this sudden meeting of two utterly different worlds which is unsurpassed in human history.
Your title perfectly exemplifies the Anglo vision of Hispanic america. Feel good story? The sheer arrogance bleeds through. Anyway, like it or not, it's the history. The Spanish were not so omnipotent and superior. The natives were not such victims. Anglo and also Eurocentric frameworks have distorted historical clarity beyond recognition.
Cortez was never a colonizer for the Spanish crown .When Cortez left Spain at the age of 18 he wasn’t a soldier he wasn’t a politician he was a student of Spanish law. He originally landed in the Caribbean where he made his fortune then decides to sell everything because he wanted to completely remove himself from Spain. So he funded his own ships and crew of 500 people. There is a lot of lies about that have been told as truth concerning the arrival of the spaniards to the Americas Starting whit the narrative that it was a conquest.
The Spanish and the Aztecs were both imperialists. Their war was a clash of empires, and the Aztecs lost. There was nothing unjust about this war result.
Well, some would say that it was more of a mesoamerican clash between mexica's excan Tlatoloyan and Tlaxcala's Excan Tlatoloyan allied with Spanish and totonacas since both territories (Tenochtitlan and Tlaxcala) had been fighting for years, and that the Spanish arrival was just of an opportunity for the Tlaxcalans to get the win. So maybe, mexicas just lost to their rival. Anyway, I think Tenochtitlan would have fallen sooner or later, remember that purepechas were closing the gap in the north by Valle de Mexico.
great video, dude. I love these vids about history from you, thanks. btw. it's actually "hidalgo" not "hildago", mate (you're not doing that on purpose, right?).
I have a disability which makes it hard for me to read and pronounce things properly, its just that I have a very high verbal IQ so it makes it seem out of place. If you notice I suck at reading things out loud but I do very well when I talk free form. I have trouble seeing the order of letters. Also dropping syllables is part of the Southern Ontario accent. I don't say that to be like one of the big-brained things. Children in Ontario at least have IQ tests in grade school and I scored at a post-secondary level vocabulary in grade 3 and a 99.99 percentile in verbal IQ. But a sub-kindergarten level in terms of artistic ability and grade 1 in terms of letter printing. Like I was never able to learn to hand write because my manual dexterity is so bad. Its interesting with regards to reading because I only really learned to read in grade 2 but I read all 3 LOTR books in grade 4 and would often read a book a week. Anyways learning disabilities always have interested me.
@@Argent7771 For some reason, you still talk better than I in free form as my Asperger's/mild autism gave me this slight stutter so I can't talk as smoothly as when I'm reading something.
Thank you. So much for this narrative. I see this hatred towards the Spanish as pervasive in what is socially accepted. Well deserved I might add the brutality Enacted by Europeans was not exclusive to the new world atrocities that occurred in the New World also were prevalent in Europe and it’s multiple wars occurring at the same time. I believe that propaganda Is still damage
Great video except your numerous inaccuracies. Read Bernial Diaz "conquest of new Spain". Please explain how this is a feel good story? The genocide, rape, robbery, theft of land and theft of resources does not seem like a feel good story. Around 95% of people in Mexico and Central America were killed and subsequently enslaved for 100s and 100s and 100s of years. Do you want to make a feel good story about concentration camps?
I doubt Bernal (not Bernial) said anything about any genocide. 95% of the people in Mexico and Central America were definitely NOT killed, though many were, that's a war of conquest for you. Enslavement of natives was generally forbidden, though of course, some bad people continued to do so. Making it seems like the Spanish conquest has anything to do with the concentration camps is ridiculous and intelectually dishonest. It was a war, and a conquest, so you got what you can expect from any war and conquest. Grow up, we've all been on both sides fo the conflict, yet we do not keep whining about it.
@@goodaimshield1115 that is factually untrue. It was a genocide. In fact it was one the largest genocides in history. The population of Mexico and Central America went from 28 million people in 1521 to a little over 2 million in a 40 year period. You can say fake facts but that is not the case. The life expectancy for a Inca Indian working in a Spanish silver mine was 6 months......this is hilarious the false justifications. If you want to play mental gymnastics to justify the world go ahead. I'm going to go off facts and real history and real events that shaped the world today.
@@goodaimshield1115 enslavement of natives was forbidden dude you try to sound smart and said nothing but garbage. Quote sources because you won't be able to produce any. That is how it works with make believe nonsense from someone with preconceived notions trying to sound smart. Thank you for the correction on Bernal must have been a typo or autocorrect
@@chrish1552 if the population went from 28 million to 2 million it was mostly due to diseases the native Mexicans hadn’t seen before. So maybe largely inadvertent genocide, although there definitely was a lot of the intentional murder and genocide.
My parents are from Tlaxcala Mexico(i was born and grew in LA CA) ive gone to visit multiple times. And the aztecs didnt give pity to them. Despite their numerous attempts they where never able to conquer Tlaxcala because yes they were a smaller state but had far stronger warriors than the aztecs. So during the battles the aztecs were only able to take a few captured warriors back to their sacrifices not whole massacres
Yes!
Alexander Jimenez they couldn’t beat the man w the strength of 13 soldiers 💪🏽
They didn't actually sacrafice.. thats a Catholic Church addition to their narrative. They said the same about the Viking and Japanese, meanwhile Sweden and Japan have lowest crime rates and well the Vatican , has priests who can't keep their hands to themselves around little boys. In fact RICHARD the LIONHART partook in CANABLISM.
'"We shall never die of hunger
While that we may first
Slay the Saracens downright
Wash the flesh and roast the head..." ...this is what he said after his cooks had prepped him a meal with Sacren meat.
The Tartarians also practiced it.
So the Kings of Europe would eat their opponents for medicinal purposes does it mean that all Western Europeans partook in their crimes. No.
Stop justifiying the genocide of Nahuatl people for this, if they partook in mass sacrafice, how come none of the other native tribes partook in it?
The reason why Mexicoatl did not take out Tlaxcala was because they were an alliance in the Azcapuzalco war, they had just started to fight against each other around 1500 as the Mexicoatl annexed Cholula against Tlaxcalan wishes. When Iberians arrive the war had already started and Tlaxcala would have won because the Tarascans had just joined them.
But history would repeat itself, as Tlaxcala and New Spain was overthrown by the Mestizo class of Tenochtilan (Mexicoatl) now called Mexico City, hence the reason why the country was called Mexico instead of Tlaxico.
If you listen to the documentary, they were deliberately not destroyed to provide captives for the flowery wars. That does not mean that the empire that dominated everything down to Guatemala could not take over a small area like Tlaxcala. But, the captives had to come from somewhere.
They didn't conquer them because the majority went to the Philippines and settled there.
My parents are from tlaxcala. Shame many ignorant people call my ancestors traitors, they should read on the history first
Yeah, they had no reason to like the Aztecs. Although, the Spaniards did deal poorly with the other native groups. The greater part of the suffering the Spanish brought was in the form of plagues and germs. Rather than intended killing and cruelty.
true not gonna lie though i don’t think any natives were traitors they were just used as pawns the Spaniards
They ain't traitors since the Aztecs were their enemies, anyways they left Mexico for good and settled in the Philippines
Tlaxcalan’s were masters of their fate. They were are an example of a First Nations people that stopped the Europeans and used them to gain independence.
@@nomadicvaquero2791 I believe the Tlaxcalan’s had the power if you read Cortes journals he says the stopped them and it was their chiefs that saw wisdom in using the Spaniards against their common foe.
My family tree goes back to the Tlaxcala! The spanish gave my family a new last name wayyy back then when they formed the alliance. Its my moms maiden name. Very interesting.
What is it
@Bryan Villafuerte obviously she comes from Mexico.
I'm also of Tlaxcalteca descent. Almost full blooded. Part of my fam still maintains their indigenous last name. Viva 🇪🇸 y Viva 🇲🇽 ✊🏾
Catholic spain did a lot better job of converting/integrating the natives then Anglo American protestants did
Just my opinion
That's a fact, not an opinion. Why was it like that? Well, that's because the spaniards actually wanted the amerindians to convert and save their souls..
anglos (puritans + other protestant sectarians) on the other hand, thought of themselves as the new israelites, thought that america was their new promised land and that the north amerindian population were the Canaanites, so their job was to kill them all right from the start.
This is actually 100% true, too. E. Michael Jones talked about it a lot in many of his podcasts, for example.
M3t4PhYzX I didn’t know that
@@misterkefir
Woah, based puritans are my new best frens
You should check out the book 'The Life of Fr. De Smet' to learn just how much progress the Jesuit fathers were making with the tribes in the United States. It's an amazing story and not a widely known part of American and Catholic history.
Mario W. Chavez I’ll look into it sounds interesting
Fascinating history of this unknown episode of the Spanish conquest of what his now Mexico!
Anyone studying the conquest of Mexico should definitely check out the book 'Our Lady of Guadalupe and the Conquest of Darkness' by Warren H. Carroll. It's a fantastic retelling of this sudden meeting of two utterly different worlds which is unsurpassed in human history.
One thing they were able to keep was their indigenous names . My mothers family still has their native name of cuahutle as the last name .
mines ocotitla, i think that's tlaxcalan but i might be wrong
You know where else you can find Tlaxcalan names in the Philippines.
@@gentilewarrior 🤣stop lying weirdo. Philippines don’t have the same tribes as us.
Both my bloodlines come from Bartolome Romero from Espana, & Tlaxcalan.
So some people were granted civil rights and it worked. What a concept!
Thanks for all of these history videos, Argent. I really enjoy them.
Yes, the Aztecs didn't have many friends!
@Good Morning so true
okay?
Finally real History from a Catholic
Your title perfectly exemplifies the Anglo vision of Hispanic america. Feel good story? The sheer arrogance bleeds through. Anyway, like it or not, it's the history. The Spanish were not so omnipotent and superior. The natives were not such victims. Anglo and also Eurocentric frameworks have distorted historical clarity beyond recognition.
Cortez was never a colonizer for the Spanish crown .When Cortez left Spain at the age of 18 he wasn’t a soldier he wasn’t a politician he was a student of Spanish law. He originally landed in the Caribbean where he made his fortune then decides to sell everything because he wanted to completely remove himself from Spain. So he funded his own ships and crew of 500 people. There is a lot of lies about that have been told as truth concerning the arrival of the spaniards to the Americas Starting whit the narrative that it was a conquest.
Mexica is pronounced as (may-she-ka)
The Spanish and the Aztecs were both imperialists. Their war was a clash of empires, and the Aztecs lost. There was nothing unjust about this war result.
Well, some would say that it was more of a mesoamerican clash between mexica's excan Tlatoloyan and Tlaxcala's Excan Tlatoloyan allied with Spanish and totonacas since both territories (Tenochtitlan and Tlaxcala) had been fighting for years, and that the Spanish arrival was just of an opportunity for the Tlaxcalans to get the win.
So maybe, mexicas just lost to their rival.
Anyway, I think Tenochtitlan would have fallen sooner or later, remember that purepechas were closing the gap in the north by Valle de Mexico.
Spanish Catholicism best Catholicism.
Actually agreed. Pre 1750 french Catholicism, too.
Amen.
@E- World frr
To hell with Catholicism in general.
Where did that get them? 😂
Awesome!
great video, dude. I love these vids about history from you, thanks.
btw. it's actually "hidalgo" not "hildago", mate (you're not doing that on purpose, right?).
I have a disability which makes it hard for me to read and pronounce things properly, its just that I have a very high verbal IQ so it makes it seem out of place. If you notice I suck at reading things out loud but I do very well when I talk free form. I have trouble seeing the order of letters. Also dropping syllables is part of the Southern Ontario accent.
I don't say that to be like one of the big-brained things. Children in Ontario at least have IQ tests in grade school and I scored at a post-secondary level vocabulary in grade 3 and a 99.99 percentile in verbal IQ. But a sub-kindergarten level in terms of artistic ability and grade 1 in terms of letter printing.
Like I was never able to learn to hand write because my manual dexterity is so bad.
Its interesting with regards to reading because I only really learned to read in grade 2 but I read all 3 LOTR books in grade 4 and would often read a book a week.
Anyways learning disabilities always have interested me.
@@Argent7771 okay, I understand. That's a damn shame.
@@Argent7771 For some reason, you still talk better than I in free form as my Asperger's/mild autism gave me this slight stutter so I can't talk as smoothly as when I'm reading something.
There's a 420 somewhere in there. For those that might concern.
My last name is Tlamanal we got to keep our last name pretty cool
Thank you. So much for this narrative.
I see this hatred towards the Spanish as pervasive in what is socially accepted.
Well deserved I might add the brutality Enacted by Europeans was not exclusive to the new world atrocities that occurred in the New World also were prevalent in Europe and it’s multiple wars occurring at the same time.
I believe that propaganda Is still damage
Encomienda, repartimiento, papal bull discovery doctrine are not propaganda you moron. The Spanish empire was evil incarnate.
Hola argent
I'm pretty sure it's pronounced Tlahcala due to them been discovered by the Spanish( Mexico)
So much wrong in this video but it's unsurprising.
Whats wrong?
He doesn’t like the true 😂 and got different reaction
It’s a white guy trying to be a big brain. Of course he’s injecting his Anglo Saxon world view in the video. It’s his after all, yeh a lot wrong
Great video except your numerous inaccuracies. Read Bernial Diaz "conquest of new Spain". Please explain how this is a feel good story? The genocide, rape, robbery, theft of land and theft of resources does not seem like a feel good story. Around 95% of people in Mexico and Central America were killed and subsequently enslaved for 100s and 100s and 100s of years. Do you want to make a feel good story about concentration camps?
Read on the laws of Burgos and the laws of the indies.
I doubt Bernal (not Bernial) said anything about any genocide. 95% of the people in Mexico and Central America were definitely NOT killed, though many were, that's a war of conquest for you. Enslavement of natives was generally forbidden, though of course, some bad people continued to do so. Making it seems like the Spanish conquest has anything to do with the concentration camps is ridiculous and intelectually dishonest. It was a war, and a conquest, so you got what you can expect from any war and conquest. Grow up, we've all been on both sides fo the conflict, yet we do not keep whining about it.
@@goodaimshield1115 that is factually untrue. It was a genocide. In fact it was one the largest genocides in history. The population of Mexico and Central America went from 28 million people in 1521 to a little over 2 million in a 40 year period. You can say fake facts but that is not the case. The life expectancy for a Inca Indian working in a Spanish silver mine was 6 months......this is hilarious the false justifications. If you want to play mental gymnastics to justify the world go ahead. I'm going to go off facts and real history and real events that shaped the world today.
@@goodaimshield1115 enslavement of natives was forbidden dude you try to sound smart and said nothing but garbage. Quote sources because you won't be able to produce any. That is how it works with make believe nonsense from someone with preconceived notions trying to sound smart. Thank you for the correction on Bernal must have been a typo or autocorrect
@@chrish1552 if the population went from 28 million to 2 million it was mostly due to diseases the native Mexicans hadn’t seen before. So maybe largely inadvertent genocide, although there definitely was a lot of the intentional murder and genocide.
Filipinas (Tlaxcala) vs Mexico(Aztecs) even today in the boxing ring or cockfighting ring, 👍😂
@Bryan Villafuerte but the majority are Tlaxcalans it's in the Spanish archives, doesn't matter all are Nahua peoples.
You guys aren’t Tlaxcala’s weirdo!! You are Malay descent. Culture vulture. Tlaxcalas are still in Mexico.
@Bryan Villafuerte the Aztecs called themselves Mexica.
@2:44 (who can be worse then the Aztecs ) oh you are about to find out 💀