1177 B.C.: When Civilization Collapsed | Eric Cline
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- Consider this, optimists. All the societies in the world can collapse simultaneously. It has happened before.
In the 12th century BCE the great Bronze Age civilizations of the Mediterranean-all of them-suddenly fell apart. Their empires evaporated, their cities emptied out, their technologies disappeared, and famine ruled. Mycenae, Minos, Assyria, Hittites, Canaan, Cyprus-all gone. Even Egypt fell into a steep decline. The Bronze Age was over.
The event should live in history as one of the great cautionary tales, but it hasn’t because its causes were considered a mystery. How can we know what to be cautious of? Eric Cline has taken on on the mystery. An archaeologist-historian at George Washington University, he is the author of "1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed." The failure, he suggests, was systemic. The highly complex, richly interconnected system of the world tipped all at once into chaos.
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50 years ago I remember my Dad joking about how future archeologists would look at our ruins and think that Barby Dolls were fertility goddesses and TV sets were religious altars.
Yeah. And when they find CD's, DVDs, or Blue-rays they will see them as tablets and conclude that we were communicating in binary language. 10011100110011...
@@socialworld1372 Nah, they will just think they are coasters, lol
@@buggaboo2707 weapons?
Clever chap your dad :) 👏
@@dnmurphy48 maybe armor used to mitigate laser guns
Wow. Dr. Cline was my professor for Greek History 18 years ago at George Washington University. It was one of the hardest classes I ever took. Dr. Cline offered me no quarter; either I learned a ton of history or I failed. I studied my ass off, got an A on the final, and earned the most difficult 'C' I'd ever receive. It is great watching him now and knowing that I was learning from one of the preeminent experts on this time period in the academic world.
god...i would give anything to allowed a D- in a greek history class taught by Dr. Cline...
Was it worth it?
Yup. Pearls before college swine ...😏
@Hiccum Blurpaedius Wtf is Bob Dole? ... Meanwhile I happened to read on. I gather Bob Dole was a good republican. Hold my beer! I go and fetch my gun ...
@@GaborErik Of course not. That is not the way of knowledge. """Educational""" system is garbage.
Dr Cline is one of a few Lecturers that are able to keep my interest throughout the entire lecture. His ever-changing tone and interesting facts mixed with a bit of dry humor make it an easy listen. I wish I had more teachers like this while in school.
He sprinkled some jokes into a misleading presentation
Look into Irving Finkle's presentations. He monopolizes his eccentric Brit persona & is extremely good at keeping an audience's attention .
I agree.. he is very good as a presenter.
You can't have more teachers like this with those salaries.
The Tojan war is a fascinating thing because of the cleverness of Homer's epic. This man sung a lie so big, so enthralling that here it is thousands of years later and we have not forgotten the truth. We don't know exactly where the war was fought, that's unimportant, we remember the important aspects. Men of Greece waged a war that lasted for many years and it was so terrible that even when it was over it was not over for the soldiers. They were so scarred by the war that they became lost, unable to truly return home for many years if at all. Thousands of years ago, Homer sung about PTSD... and mocked the very reason why the men paid such a terrible price.
We do know where the war was fought since Schliemann found the ruins in Anatolia
@@barnabastoth9283 *he believes they are the ruins of Troy and it's considered quite plausible.
Cline is a rare academic, one that can make complicated themes understandable. At the same time make it fun, engaging and makes you want to investigate more.
Academics used to be a dime a dozen, when I was still too young for College. Now they are harder to find.
our civilization is already collapsing
our so called elites are doing it on purpose to de=populate the planet
they know the magnetic poles are gonna flip and only those living deep undergound will survive
SO they dont want any competition to be in that million or two that get a space underground
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Meh. So much of the western historical narrative leaves for more questions than answers, and very dubious at best. For example, up until the mid 1800s, you have many references to the Tartarian empire, including existence on maps of that era, and then it is largely erased from the modern narrative. The Tartarian maps include domain over large parts of what is now Russia and also North America. The language spoken is often said to be an early form of Magyar (currently known now as Hungarian) language. You find in the Americas, evidence of Magyar language spoken by many so-called "first nation" people, who also say, "we aren't the first". What else, also early Spanish maps predating 1850s show the Aztecs had a range from what is today, Salt Lake City to Mexico City. If you look at maps of early American languages spoken, that's exactly what you find. Yet the modern, institutionally supported narrative doesn't follow the facts, but spit out constant spun-up conjecture. Then you have megalithic sites with technology that doesn't match the current narrative, including anthropological findings that support "native mythology" but not "Western" chronological narratives. The explanation? Also, shy is the Smithsonian more secretive than the NSA?
@@erickeith1466 yup, All major cities in NA were are probly tartarian. We couldnt rebuild those parliment buildings, cathedrals etc if we tried.
Nevermind the secrecy behind space program and disaster cycles one of which is coming up in 20 yrs SuspiciousObservers yt channel
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I was a history major, Middle Eastern and North African studies, and I keep coming back to this lecture. There’s so much incredible information here. Unfortunately, it helps us to understand where we’re headed.
Agreed. We should always: Look back to the past and find a resolution for securing a new unknown future!
I think, biblically, we can also see where we are headed. We can change trajectory, if we really want to
@@RC-fi4ix no.
Possibly. But there are so many things that are SO unlike anything that existed in other eras of time, that you really can't conclude that history will repeat itself, even if it is similar in many ways to events that have played out many times before. We could be headed for a societal collapse, or what may well prove to be a minor inconvenience to the bringing about of an ultra optimistic transhumanist future. Only time will tell.
@@RC-fi4ix Can't change it but we can retard it by pushing back.
This was excellent. You can tell someone is a true master of their trade or area of expertise when they can explain the material so simply and elegantly. Bravo.
And respond to questions from the audience in apa format
Just having an amateur interest in history and retired railway conductor I found this info very relevant to our human activity today. I think the video shown at the beginning was probably the same in 1200 BC. Just different technology. Your use of modern analogy, including jokes, and common language made this lecture a pleasure. Thank you.
I was employed on the Santa Fe Railway formed by a man in 1869 , Cyrus K. Holiday, who had a vision of trade with Asia. That vision is still a main stay of what we now call intermodal freight traffic or trade. The Santa Fe completed it’s transcontinental link from Chicago to LA and California ports by 1888. Now the BNSF Ry calls the Santa Fe mainline the southern “Transcon”. However, a large portion of the freight is now carried in containers adapted to be loaded onto large container ships on both east & west coast of the U.S. Some of the freight is trans-global, in that containers are off loaded on one coast onto trains. Then transported across the US and reloaded onto container ships too large to navigate the Panama Canal. Then transported to either Europe, Africa and Asia and visa-versa. It forced the railway systems to modernize and the Santa Fe had that vision to have the infrastructure to adapt to the change and increase in freight traffic. They were a bit slow to pick up the ball, but were way ahead of other railway companies in moving priority freight trains on their passenger mainlines much more efficiently. BNSF take over just boosted the investment needed to speed the mainline up even more on the Santa Fe route.
So how much evidence has archeology uncovered to show an evolution of methods of transporting raw material and high value trade items? The tin from Afghanistan would have been a tough trip with heavy loads to meet the demand to make bronze. Camels? Carts? Elephants? Were trade routes trampled down hard and leaving a permanent impression in the earth, then paved over by Roman road system? We can only guess, 🤔 I guess?
Early 2K, I remember leaving CA by car using 10 and seeing freight cars after freight cars heading into California and on the sides was printed "CHINA." Many family members from Los Lunas and Belen area in NM worked for SFRR, and by the late 30s had moved permanently to CA with the job.
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Did you ever run over an alien?
@@brianfreel1473 well sadly it depends on your definition of an alien. Unfortunately there were a few Hispanic freight riders who literally “fell thru the cracks”.
One incident involved an apparent Hispanic male riding the empty part of the cars that carried the shipping containers. I’d guess he got so tired he fell thru the space between to cross bracing in the floor to the track while the train was traveling 60-70 MPH. I wasn’t a member of the crew and it was hard to determine the cause after the fact as there was no way to know to determine the facts. I never heard any result of the BNSF investigation.
Thanks for asking.
I love watching someone teach this subject who thinks this is as much fun to learn about as I do. 🥰
This is a gifted man. You can be sure he has influenced many young minds. What a great role model.
Love learning...
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What I really, really love about this video is that it made me finally understand archeology, and how close it is to forensic science!
Except that forensics is so incomplete and scattered that's when the extrapolation makes it an art form. History is still written by the winners to project the story they prefer.
@@Ralph_Baric_PhD_C2019 Don't be small minded man. Who are the winners in this case ? No one. This is just about understanding why those societies collapsed in the 12th century BC.
Except Canan was actually Palestine, Syria, and Jordan. Not Israel, Syria and Jordan.
@@Ralph_Baric_PhD_C2019 yyuûy hi
Archaeology
I read his book, and I wish I had had this narrative before I read it. I have worked on scientific literacy projects, and teaching storytelling is an underrated approach to helping people hang theories and evidence together. As much as I love methods, I think they may need to be a secondary priority in sharing STEM with the general public.
wow, thank you Eric Cline ... and everyone else on camera. This was a breath of fresh air. None of you is "full of yourselves". You are humble, intellectual, succinct, and accessible. Just want to let y'all know it is recognized and appreciated.
HE IS PHENOMENAL!
i love these old-time tweets he reads off those clay slabs
Talking-to birds, are you?
Cheap cheap.
Letters, let us not ruin all with stupidity of twitter. Thank you.
Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved. John 3:16 (share the good news of the gospel around the world!) Have a wonderful day/night, may the LORD bless you all, and farewell!,.,,,,,,,.,.,.,
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Thanks for the concern over our immortal souls but I think you might be a little off-topic.
@@someguy4405 it’s just a bot. 😤
Dr Cline got me into history and archeology.
Edit - The guy is a hell of a writer and lecturer, totally keeps you engaged.
the receipt : WE HAVE TO TO HAVE because otherwise IT COST US TOO MUCH.
“THEY CAN GO” if we Australians are to STOP THE DESTRUCTION.
Pointing fingers as happened in the past present and should not continue: both o f them:
‘Libs and Lab’ ---- “THEY CAN GO” voiding even GOVERNOR GENERAL Doing no more then INSULTING THE WORD : MONARCHY AND ROYAL MEANING.
typical !! again & again "DEMOCRATIC - DEMOCRACY" democracy that no longer demonstrate what constitute & stand for. Deeply Divided Australia can not conquer bright future delaying and jeopardising proper education for even more generations to come. Some of which learn today what Media interactions with THE TRUTH it is all about.
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better to avoid what it is Australia been push further and further in-to DANGER ZONE well before THIS PANDEMIC.
The previous Pandemic we have to have come at no surprise: Parliamentarians Associates/Supporters that keeps pronouncing the word DEMOCRACY; while ORGANISING CRIME Right in the PARLIAMENTS SPREADING IT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD TOO: Preventing anyone-else becoming MODEL COUNTRY:
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better nor further to prevent spiralling out of control 21Century Crime.
If U can imagine : I’m told : “my service to Australia it is not welcomed” and “go back to your country” : just to compare the Need for : HYPOCRISY NOBLE PRIZE.
Te receipt for More Division or even civil WAR IT IS stirred up DEMOCRATICALLY by Libs & Labs that been DEMOCRATICALLY OVER MANY DECADES Elected by ASSOCIATES/SUPPORTERS.
Either ;BOYCOTT ANY ELECTION Or the need for GOVERNOR GENERAL TO BE URGED BY THE AUSTRALIAN SOCIETY’S INTERVENTION.
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This must be the most viewed video about archeology on YT, 2.3 million people at least opened it. Not surprising, this man is amazing!
Thank you, Long Now Foundation. Great presentation! Did read some of Mr. Cline's book. It is a serious book. His fun humor comes across in his lecturing. I think the details of ancient civilization are so interesting, even more interesting than the theories about it. The high points of his view on the fall of the ancient nations caught in a perfect storm of challenges are much more accessible in this talk compared to the very densely written book.
Historians come in all breeds some are magical clerks who can take all works of a time and spin them into something cohesive and congruent, some are detectives who can infer so much out of so little and still be accurate, others are bards/artists who can take the mundane and bring them to life in a way no one else can. With ancient (might as well be Pre-) history you find the detectives en masse, but to actually bring life to a time so empty of literature takes talent of all three, and bravo to you sir.
the receipt : WE HAVE TO TO HAVE because otherwise IT COST US TOO MUCH.
“THEY CAN GO” if we Australians are to STOP THE DESTRUCTION.
Pointing fingers as happened in the past present and should not continue: both o f them:
‘Libs and Lab’ ---- “THEY CAN GO” voiding even GOVERNOR GENERAL Doing no more then INSULTING THE WORD : MONARCHY AND ROYAL MEANING.
typical !! again & again "DEMOCRATIC - DEMOCRACY" democracy that no longer demonstrate what constitute & stand for. Deeply Divided Australia can not conquer bright future delaying and jeopardising proper education for even more generations to come. Some of which learn today what Media interactions with THE TRUTH it is all about.
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better to avoid what it is Australia been push further and further in-to DANGER ZONE well before THIS PANDEMIC.
The previous Pandemic we have to have come at no surprise: Parliamentarians Associates/Supporters that keeps pronouncing the word DEMOCRACY; while ORGANISING CRIME Right in the PARLIAMENTS SPREADING IT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD TOO: Preventing anyone-else becoming MODEL COUNTRY:
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better nor further to prevent spiralling out of control 21Century Crime.
If U can imagine : I’m told : “my service to Australia it is not welcomed” and “go back to your country” : just to compare the Need for : HYPOCRISY NOBLE PRIZE.
Te receipt for More Division or even civil WAR IT IS stirred up DEMOCRATICALLY by Libs & Labs that been DEMOCRATICALLY OVER MANY DECADES Elected by ASSOCIATES/SUPPORTERS.
Either ;BOYCOTT ANY ELECTION Or the need for GOVERNOR GENERAL TO BE URGED BY THE AUSTRALIAN SOCIETY’S INTERVENTION.
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Danny Marin Circo fb.
dmc32@email.com
03122021
Regarding the discussion on iron versus bronze..as a sculptor who pours both bronze and iron regularly I can say that the difference back then was surely the melting temperature..1850F for bronze and 2650F for iron..in ancient times there was no way to cast iron and get to that temp..it was smelted into what was called a bloom and heated red hot and pounded into useful shapes..but not melted..that would take centuries to engineer..also brass was rare because the boiling point of zinc is so close to its melting point that
zinc was rarely isolated to create brass..also i really enjoyed this video..cheers...
there are surprising early 'blast furnaces' found that can make crude cast iron but yeah the blast furnaces that would give high quality iron and not cast iron were middle ages not what we think of as the iron age but that is the real iron age
I have no doubt they would have developed the double bellows eventually but they also had an economy revolving around bronze and an upper class invested in it. Think of the push back from big oil or coal and the conservative class over alternative energy even though it's become cheaper.
@@greatbingus mate look up iron pillar in India it’s a real enigma. I will blow you away what they think about it
@@criminal7680 academia won't go near that pillar, just as they avoid most
of India. Check out Praveen Mohan
@@goodbyebluesky5770 yeah you know why because it proves that the technology was there before Jesus was on the cross. And 10.000. Years before. It’s true but they will never speak about it lol
Dr Cline's voice, as well as his easy-to-understand delivery of his topic, reminds me of Carl Sagan.
He makes the old cultures come alive, sublime!
Eric Cline is a top rate speaker and presenter. Had me hooked here.
Fascinating and presented by such a compelling speaker / historian. Thank you for posting.
This guy is awesome. He gives credit to so many other people. You rarely see this and instead see speakers usually give credit to themselves for everything. And he's humorous and makes this story so interesting. Society is lucky to have this person around.
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Fascinating lecture, thanks to Eric Cline for putting it together and the Long Now Foundation for hosting it. I especially found the earthquake sequence to be interesting as I had not heard of this before in the context of the late bronze age collapse. Not sure yet if it's in his book but I had the thought that earthquakes would have wrought havoc on the un-reinforced masonry and mud-brick walls that the cites of these civilizations depended on for protection. This would have helped the sea peoples (or any other invaders in that period) to undermine, batter down or otherwise assault those settlements. I bet someone could write a paper just on that, and I would love to read it.
Earthquakes still destroying adobe brick buildings in Mexico.
I had a class with Professor Cline a few years ago, as you can tell he is a fantastic lecturer. Also has a collection of wonderfully thematic ties.
Where does he get them? I took a fun screen shot.
Ask 'the Professor' if he has ever heard of the Cyprus Tree 10:10
Oh yeah I’m sure you did, and I was a backup singer for Elvis Presley…There’s no point in lying on TH-cam comments. It’s not like it’s gonna get you laid. None of the hoes on here even know who you are. Stop trying to be something you’re not. No one likes a liar, sea person.
I'm concerned for his wife. If he rolled on top of her she'd go through the mattress like French fries
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Eric Cline is such a gifted speaker. He doesn’t waffle, and his lecture in fascinating and fluent. Really interesting. Thank you.
Resilient factors:
-Interdependent economy
-interdependent cultures
-rise of literacy
-rise of skilled workmanship
-maturing ethical self-control
By far one of the greatest talks, I never wanted it to end. Just absolutely astounding.
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Fantastic talk. I learned so much in that hour or so I swore it was a 3 hour talk. So much insight into our present as well.
This man is an effective educator; he does a really good job of captivating your attention
1:24:55 "Motel of the Mysteries"!! I remember Reader's Digest did an excerpt from that story back in the 80's or so, and it really stuck with me...never expected somebody to bring it up! It was brilliant. They "discovered" that the "ancient burial site" (motel) was surrounded by outward-facing guardians to protect and defend the tomb, with names like "Firebird", "Falcon" and so on... 😂
On a stele outside the ancient city of Nimrod, the inscription, often attribute to Hammurabi, reads "Take them back to Kaptar, Bahdi-Lim. They make my feet look fat, like I have cankles. I want to speak to an overseer."
His book, 1177 BC The Year Civilization Collapsed, is full of informations, and his writing is clear and beautiful.
Just ordered it.
Poor defense of his book title.
@@SolaceEasy Why?
@@SolaceEasy please elaborate, it would be nice to know why you think so. I promise I wont fight you in the comments. Hahaha.
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I need more of these lectures by Dr. Cline!
Outstanding presentation and discussion. Nice to see academics keeping an open mind and acknowledging when we don't know what we don't know. And a great take on the practicalities of iron vs. bronze. "How sharp is an iron vs. a bronze dagger?" "Does it matter when it goes into you?" Iron is better, obviously, but it's much harder to produce (higher temperatures, alloys, etc.), and so you wouldn't necessarily want to use it if bronze gives you the 90% solution. But if tin becomes impossible to find...
Bronze is more economical and affordable than iron - iron's strength only becomes noticeable when used for weapons. The upgrade from bronze to iron/steel would be an obvious military upgrade.
Don't bring a bronze weapon to an iron weapon fight.
1177 B.C.: When Civilization Collapsed | Eric Cline 1117am 17.5.23 they must have headed to Uk to seek out the much desired tin... other than that i doubt greek or roman recce expeditions would result in anything other than this land being seen as a home for wild savages and crap weather... eventually the Uk realises it was used and abused for something - it couldnt quite conclude what...
Western centric view of history & trade. Meanwhile in Asia, trade was buzzing, and the Chinese Bronze Age, which far exceeded the metallurgical technology and production scale of Mediterranean Bronze Age, was in full swing. Not that this negates Clines hypothesis, but to note that other societies did not experience decline in parallel during that timeline.
Thank you Mr. Cline! This lecture was amazing!
I've taught for many years and I am so glad to see that good educators such as Dr. Cline use humor to enhance their effectiveness. I always told my students that Jerry Seinfeld was my muse when creating my lectures.
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I heard that any decent professor uses their students and grad students as extensions, as researchers. Which is pretty normal, so if a teacher is looking for info, just assign it to 100 students and have a grad student collate it all while you work on your book. After 20-30 years, with 1000's of students and hundreds of passionate, focused grad students constantly researching your area of study, while you flip through the papers and grade them, saving what you want for your book! It must be a tremendous time saver. It's no wonder why these guys in academia can find the answers and have time to write! I used to think it must be hard to find time to write a book when you have a full-time job like that and yet, every Professor has hundreds if not thousands of co-writers, none of whom get paid a cent!
Not only that, given archaeology, it's extremely difficult, and usually takes decades for anybody to prove you wrong! By than, 30 years went by, books were written, the university gave out a fat severance, and than, years later..........
"Oh crap, I guess I was wrong"
I used to think guys like this we all geniuses and just way beyond regular people.
An excellent overview of The Fall of the Bronze Age. I had heard some of these ideas and stories presented over the years, but Dr Cline weaves much of it into a tapestry that makes events easier to follow and understand. Archeology has been of interest to me for many years, but understanding "why" times change based on both human behavior and natural events really helps one to visualize the chain of events that played the most significant parts in how and why societies change or undergo changes over which they actually have little control.
A very interesting and highly educational lecture. Thanks to all who helped to make it possible to bring to YT. 😊
A truly fantastic lecture. Many thanks, Professor.
1177 BC? There are videos on YT that say 536AD is actually the worst year.
A great lesson for us, today. The thought, the delivery, and the imagery are unforgettable. Pity few of our "Leaders" seem capable of learning from history.
Well, nobody at all seems capable of learning from history for some reason. Every time there is a war we all say 'never again', famous last words.
We need to elect better educated more caring people. We need to stop considering their wallets when running for office; having money obviously DOES NOT make good politicians, certainly not great ones.
What a fascinating lecture by Dr. Cline. Lots to think about and consider. Thank you!
43:20 Thanks for clarifying that story regarding the clay tablets not supposedly sent out in time and were found still in the kiln when the city fell. I've seen it (unknowingly or lazily) repeated elsewhere when they talk about the bronze age collapse.
1177 B.C.: When Civilization Collapsed | Eric Cline 1127am 17.5.23 some guy delivering milk and showing his ass to you would be the bare bones of your theory or factually based presentation...?
So amazing and entertaining!!!! Mr. Eric Cline has the power of teach his knowledge in a manner that you forget he's been talking for an hour. I could listen to him an entire day without thinking of anything else. Such an interesting topic and also how important it is for us at the present times. Incredible and passionate presentation, didactic and clear.
Yes, but I did get a bit tired of every question being answered "all of the above" or "both". :-) Now, I have to admit that's an honest and sometimes correct answer. But more often, in the real world, when you have 5 things supporting something that falls, there's one thing that caused or started it. So the best answer is "we don't know yet which one."
A phenomenal lecture! Dr. Cline is so well versed in the subject that he's able to describe it smoothly and succinctly. A true expert and an academic treasure.
Just starting the lecture but that sounds like a paid review...
our civilization is already collapsing
our so called elites are doing it on purpose to de=populate the planet
they know the magnetic poles are gonna flip and only those living deep undergound will survive
SO they dont want any competition to be in that million or two that get a space underground
th-cam.com/video/ihwoIlxHI3Q/w-d-xo.html
As we are witness to the global collapse of society, of biblical proportion
@@ajeveryone1232Lmao was thinking the same thing
@@ajeveryone1232not at all. Eric Cline is not only accurate and factual. As others say an expert in his field but he's also fun to listen to. Unlike half to most of my professors as an undergrad
I was just in the Thessaloniki museum 2 days ago and the most recent archeological research reveals that the 'dark age' theory - at least in Greece - may be incorrect. Although the monumental/palacial cities may have been destroyed, new polis sprang up on the ruins almost immediately. Macedonian Greece was not as affected as was previously thought, and certainly didn't suffer a 'dark age'.
Interesting topic and the presentation by Dr. Cline was very engaging. I'm glad this video popped up on my TH-cam Home page this day. Wishing everyone an insightful 2023.
Thoroughly enjoyed Eric Clines clear & concise narration & style of delivery in context, melding patterns of the past covered by a larger footprint of the present, hence envisioning the distinct possibilities for our future as an interconnected interdependent global civilization. The recent destruction of existing ruins from the ancient past in a recent wave of destruction by in
That stuff is called 26 letters there is a lot of it online most everything from popular culture is also I wouldnt get worried about it Buddhists arent real they are very gay and super weird basically all of them are witches I am not apologetic for all the clones from master race culture who are on the other side mainly radical islam is the labeled culprit any of that is scary wrong and fake but the point is most people who say they are interested in that stuff cant pick it up on the go and get through to someone who cant go to any page and basically find the point of what the whole thing is about what I mean is if your smart enough to skim through the entire thing then anything you pick up and tell a random person about who has a question should mean something and worth their time meaning the Koran is basicaly no different from the Urantia Book and the Urantia is something that no one is interested in or has any interest in the first place what it could have been used for I am not sure but the point is they are almost one in the same
wonderful talk. loved the subject and the presentation, and both of them. and no adds, pure delight.
@Dr Evil Where did that come from, Dr. E? Perhaps your own white cat ran away and now you want to find a new one? Might I suggest a pet store... Also, how come you think it's remotely competent to complain about someone else's life, when you immediately show you have none either by making a troll comment under an archaeology video. A good roast shouldn't include self-immolation, you know.
*Did you failed SPELLING❓Kat instead of CAT❓And it’s whatever not wutever MORON.*
@Dr Evil Heey Dr. E, you should heed your own advise. "Go out, get drunk, get laid, get a good nights rest... You will have a different perspective on it.". Clearly such reasoning goes both ways, doesn't it?
You really must hate your own life, because the first thing you say to people is "get a life, moron"... Well, why don't you do exactly that yourself, Dr. E? All you're doing right now is lashing out to someone on the internet, hoping that they strike back and confirm to you that the world is a bad place. Pretty sure it will get worse and worse if you continue on this road, Mr. So do yourself a favor and read this comment over and over again like a rhyme, like a mantra, until you get it that you don't need to respond to me to feel better, you need to address your own issues.
It's a self-defeating argument to denote someone else's reasoning as just an opinion, and subsequently not address the issue that your own comment thereby also is reduced to opinion. It's a little narcissist. See, "Remember, your opinions are just that, opinions..."... This makes me think you lack true self-worth, because you don't say "people's opinion" in defense of everyone, no you say "your opinion" attacking me as some sort of pre-emptive defense of only yourself. At least I trolled a troll to feel better, you just puke on everyone, don't you, including yourself?
Finally, you say "Get a life moron, you probably have a collection of cats don't you?" and then follow up with "How in the hell did cats enter into the observation/conversation...?".... How do you even muster up the courage to speak of my attention span, whilst your own is just about futile? If you say stuff like that, it's not really an opinion that you suck as a troll, it's a fact. There is logic and evidence supporting that, not vague remarks of vogue and fashion. If you knew anything about fashion at all, you would have known most evil geniuses have white cats for purposes of being evil in style. I see pop culture references only make it as far as your profile name and picture...
Help yourself, Dr. E. really.. Otherwise things will never brighten up for you anymore.. Turn that troll into stone with some nice sun...
Maybe some day you will realize that you should really thank me for taking the time to explain this to you. I will thank you in the meantime, because I now have a solid piece of advise to apply to myself. You see, I do apply my own reasoning to my own position, contrary to some people. Thanks for being my beast of burden. Troll of trolls out.
@Allah is Satan(Saturn); Mahomet=Baphomet Your doctor said "Repent, rupture is at hand".
the receipt : WE HAVE TO TO HAVE because otherwise IT COST US TOO MUCH.
“THEY CAN GO” if we Australians are to STOP THE DESTRUCTION.
Pointing fingers as happened in the past present and should not continue: both o f them:
‘Libs and Lab’ ---- “THEY CAN GO” voiding even GOVERNOR GENERAL Doing no more then INSULTING THE WORD : MONARCHY AND ROYAL MEANING.
typical !! again & again "DEMOCRATIC - DEMOCRACY" democracy that no longer demonstrate what constitute & stand for. Deeply Divided Australia can not conquer bright future delaying and jeopardising proper education for even more generations to come. Some of which learn today what Media interactions with THE TRUTH it is all about.
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better to avoid what it is Australia been push further and further in-to DANGER ZONE well before THIS PANDEMIC.
The previous Pandemic we have to have come at no surprise: Parliamentarians Associates/Supporters that keeps pronouncing the word DEMOCRACY; while ORGANISING CRIME Right in the PARLIAMENTS SPREADING IT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD TOO: Preventing anyone-else becoming MODEL COUNTRY:
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better nor further to prevent spiralling out of control 21Century Crime.
If U can imagine : I’m told : “my service to Australia it is not welcomed” and “go back to your country” : just to compare the Need for : HYPOCRISY NOBLE PRIZE.
Te receipt for More Division or even civil WAR IT IS stirred up DEMOCRATICALLY by Libs & Labs that been DEMOCRATICALLY OVER MANY DECADES Elected by ASSOCIATES/SUPPORTERS.
Either ;BOYCOTT ANY ELECTION Or the need for GOVERNOR GENERAL TO BE URGED BY THE AUSTRALIAN SOCIETY’S INTERVENTION.
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Those who don't learn the mistakes of history are doomed forever to repeat them.
About 30 years ago. I was buying a derelict building in Yorkshire UK. After making the walls and roof intact I started to dig away the trash that had accumulated in this long time derelict .. after disposal of the mounds of trash it was time to dig back the floors of plywood, carpet, linoleum etc to get to a base to rebuild from. I started by the doors because the weather of years had made these multiple levels of flooring accumulation just a sequence of mush, dirt and debris.. as I found the bottom over a period of weeks/months, and scraped back to expose the intricate ceramic mosaic tiling work it was elating and horrifying to discover what I was buying.. it was a historic “royal coach house”. What a find for the historic society of England, What a horror to do further remodeling if they or the government found out. Luckily a divorce that occurred at the exact same time meant I was made fiscally incomplete and could no longer make the payments, so it was signed back to the guy I was buying it from.. I highly doubt he informed anyone of its historical significance..
What a wonderful lecture, and great question session afterwards. Well done!
"So, you may know people you don't even know you know." Hah, this guy is an entertaining as thoughtful. Love it
Yeah he knows what his talking about
Your subsequent discussion after the lecture is well thought out. Good job.
i could listen to these guys talk while I fall asleep every night
This was fascinating! Eric Cline was very clear, and engaging. I was hesitant when I saw the length of this lecture, but -- totally worth every second! Thank you!
It’s nice to watch something longer than 10 minutes
He didn't mention paying global warming / climate change taxes to
Al Gore back then! Lol. Cooler water temps = less rain he stated. Hit me like a ton of bricks because the climate whackjobs don't talk about warmer cycles bring in tons of food and it's the cold and Ice ages that destroy life
Another great video Eric . Your such an amazing teacher. Stay strong brother.
Eric doesn't mention the catastrophic volcanic explosion of the island of Santorini in the center of the Mediterranean that likely caused huge title waves that destroyed all the major costal cities and beyond. Definitely a game changer.
Game changer that conflicts with their model! Possibly.
Game changer that conflicts with their model! Possibly.
I have been in the midst of reading this book when I came across this
Very intriguing
I do have to say that the dismissive attitude towards the exodus is a bit puzzling
Because I believe it may be the key component that ties it all together
Especially with such a large displacement of a people group
Trade routes disrupted even halted
Economic collapse of Egypt and the entire region from Egypt to Syria
But that is a discussion for another day
I thoroughly enjoyed watching and learning today from a deep learned scholar and archeologist like Dr Cline
1177 B.C.: When Civilization Collapsed | Eric Cline 1138am 17.5.23 i bet he didnt even know he was on facebook..
brilliant, thanks for this video and to everyone involved, esp. Dr. Eric Cline
what an amazing lesson for us all, thank you for your insight and sharing!
Great talk. This man is superbly well informed and articulate. It was a pleasure to watch.
This was an awesome watch! Thanks for always putting out such great videos! Can't wait for the next one! Until next time!
I'm glad you liked it.. I see most of the comments from this year see through the bunch of misleading info
The iron dagger in King Tut's tomb derives with high certainty from an iron meteorite. A recent study using X-ray fluorescence (XRF) spectrometry determined that Tutankhamun’s dagger was made with iron containing nearly 11 percent nickel and traces of cobalt: a characteristic of extraterrestrial iron found in many of the iron meteorites that have rained down on Earth for billions of years.
Thank you for uploading Dr. Cline
What a great video to watch on this sunday morning!
In light of Covid-19 this lecture is downright prophetic. Systems collapse = supply chain breakdown.
What a wonderful talk and Q&A. Thank you for posting this!
Sounds like there’s a bit of reverse survivor bias in the dig sites.
The woman who took shelter in a doorway downstairs during an earth quake. That’s not something you’d just intuitively figure out on your first quake. It suggests that she lived in a time where quakes were enough of a thing that people knew what to do. So, not their first rodeo.
Why then did we find her in the position she died in? I would suggest that it’s not because she died in an earthquake. It’s because she died in an earthquake where nobody moved in and cleaned up and rebuilt after the quake. That is the unusual factor.
Same thing with burned ruins. Cities burned all the time. It reminds me of a Terry Pratchett joke where there is a huge fire in his fictional metropolis of Ankhmorpork, and then the survivors move back in and rebuild using the traditional materials of tarred wood and thatch roofs. Or something like that, I can’t find the quote. So when we find the ruins of a burned city, the unusual thing isn’t that the city burnt. It is that it burnt and was then just left like that for us to find.
Just a thought. Fascinating subject. Great lecture.
A really fascinating history lecture indeed! Thank you professor Eric Cline!
I highly recommend his book 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed
This was really fascinating, I was so engrossed I didn’t notice the time and was surprised when he finished. The sign of a great speaker is when you don’t believe it finished so quickly because it is so interesting. I could have listened for another hour, such a brilliant explanation. Thank you, I will watch out for more topics from this channel.
*Soooo, When is FukBut GOD, going to DO AnyThing????*
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The late bronze age collapse is fascinating, such a brilliant lecture by Dr Cline.
Watching , really got me thinking about US we are at the begin of the ending of our 1177.
Fascinating to hear Professor Cline talk. When I visit places I also often think I wonder how this placed looked X-thousand years ago and what will come her in the future? Thank you for sharing this on TH-cam.
Most of the times those places were more advanced before the cataclysms
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I know very little about archeology but enjoyed this talk immensely
Canan was actually Palestine, Syria, and Jordan. Not Israel, Syria and Jordan.
@@brendanwood1540 No you're a dunce he's a professor.
@@SeanONilbud A bias religious scholar. You and him are trying to pretend that Palestine was not a nation and that it was not inhabited for thousands of years before the state of Israel was established in 1948.
Without any evidence, besides biblical history, you claim that Israelites occupied the area before 1276 BCE. However, for the period of time while it was called Canaan, the Canaanites were not Israelites. The region of Canaan did not include Israel. Back then it was Palestine.
If you want to try to pretend that they didn't exist. That's like claiming South America is Spanish. Interestingly in history the genetic haplotype actually migrated from Europe at some point in time eventually developing their own cultures in South America. These included the Olmec, Aztec, Inca, Maya, and Norte Chico people.
Thousands of years passed and then Europeans came to invade the land despite no actual direct relations to the local people. They could claim that it was always a Spanish colony made of Europeans and just disregard all the things that happened in between.
This is what you are saying here. Cultures and people who existed in a place for thousands of years are not real. You claim that because at some distant point in history your ancestors may have occupied the same land it has always been yours and the people who lived there in between have no right to it.
Seems more than a little selfish.
@@brendanwood1540 You're a knuckle dragging simpleton.
@@SeanONilbud You're a cocky narcissist.
Joseph Tainter’s “Collapse of Complex Societies” is one of my all time favorites. Had it as a text in college. Bought several copies through the years.
I wanted a copy back in 2010 when it was very hard to get. Maybe I should get one now.
the receipt : WE HAVE TO TO HAVE because otherwise IT COST US TOO MUCH.
“THEY CAN GO” if we Australians are to STOP THE DESTRUCTION.
Pointing fingers as happened in the past present and should not continue: both o f them:
‘Libs and Lab’ ---- “THEY CAN GO” voiding even GOVERNOR GENERAL Doing no more then INSULTING THE WORD : MONARCHY AND ROYAL MEANING.
typical !! again & again "DEMOCRATIC - DEMOCRACY" democracy that no longer demonstrate what constitute & stand for. Deeply Divided Australia can not conquer bright future delaying and jeopardising proper education for even more generations to come. Some of which learn today what Media interactions with THE TRUTH it is all about.
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better to avoid what it is Australia been push further and further in-to DANGER ZONE well before THIS PANDEMIC.
The previous Pandemic we have to have come at no surprise: Parliamentarians Associates/Supporters that keeps pronouncing the word DEMOCRACY; while ORGANISING CRIME Right in the PARLIAMENTS SPREADING IT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD TOO: Preventing anyone-else becoming MODEL COUNTRY:
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better nor further to prevent spiralling out of control 21Century Crime.
If U can imagine : I’m told : “my service to Australia it is not welcomed” and “go back to your country” : just to compare the Need for : HYPOCRISY NOBLE PRIZE.
Te receipt for More Division or even civil WAR IT IS stirred up DEMOCRATICALLY by Libs & Labs that been DEMOCRATICALLY OVER MANY DECADES Elected by ASSOCIATES/SUPPORTERS.
Either ;BOYCOTT ANY ELECTION Or the need for GOVERNOR GENERAL TO BE URGED BY THE AUSTRALIAN SOCIETY’S INTERVENTION.
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I would love to take a class by this guy. Very engaging and entertaining.
Good lecture, well hosted, good questions! Thank you for sharing.
I believe and have heard elsewhere that late Bronze Age bronze was actually superior or a bit harder than early Iron Age iron. Also you don’t change the base metal of society over night and change doesn’t happen everywhere at once. It would filter around the known world over time. Just think that iron was mined or picked up at one place and processed nearby. That area would be using that iron in everyday life first probably because it’s what they have and it doesn’t require import. This would make it cheaper. Then you wouldn’t export this stuff till you have enough of an excess. Then this gets exported. Small excesses get exported to close places since the freight charges and difficulties would be covered by small export quantities. Once the close market is satisfied then you e port further and further. This has iron filtering across the lands as excess production brings down the price. Then low prices means further transport becomes easier and cheaper. Remember your competing with bronze which has a single source for tin a long way away and freight must have been prohibitive.
I thought king tuts dagger was meteoric iron? Testing and all.
That was really interesting, thank you!
Excellent analysis. I'm seeing things in a different light now. It's filled in a lot of missing problems
Wonderful and fascinating. Plus added bonus, Dr Cline speaks beautifully with a really clear and pleasant voice. Thank you so much for this video. Best wishes
Second time I’ve watched this video. I’m really into this era just as a hobby and the idea of such long lead times for messages and the trust that they were legitimately from the person that it said they were from amazes me. So I purchased your book right now from Apple iBooks.
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One thing the Professor noted in as missing from the the list of things that caused system collapse in 1177 BC was plague. It is interesting that April 2020 was too early in the pandemic for the Professor to add it to the list of calamities present last year when comparing them with those of 1177 BC.
Another thing missing when considering parallels between the Bronze Age and our current collapse is the role of 21st century technology. It could be argued that social media and internet-based business model has generated modern day “sea peoples,” aka hackers, who raid the infrastructure of our community with disinformation, viruses and cyber-piracy.
the receipt : WE HAVE TO TO HAVE because otherwise IT COST US TOO MUCH.
“THEY CAN GO” if we Australians are to STOP THE DESTRUCTION.
Pointing fingers as happened in the past present and should not continue: both o f them:
‘Libs and Lab’ ---- “THEY CAN GO” voiding even GOVERNOR GENERAL Doing no more then INSULTING THE WORD : MONARCHY AND ROYAL MEANING.
typical !! again & again "DEMOCRATIC - DEMOCRACY" democracy that no longer demonstrate what constitute & stand for. Deeply Divided Australia can not conquer bright future delaying and jeopardising proper education for even more generations to come. Some of which learn today what Media interactions with THE TRUTH it is all about.
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better to avoid what it is Australia been push further and further in-to DANGER ZONE well before THIS PANDEMIC.
The previous Pandemic we have to have come at no surprise: Parliamentarians Associates/Supporters that keeps pronouncing the word DEMOCRACY; while ORGANISING CRIME Right in the PARLIAMENTS SPREADING IT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD TOO: Preventing anyone-else becoming MODEL COUNTRY:
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better nor further to prevent spiralling out of control 21Century Crime.
If U can imagine : I’m told : “my service to Australia it is not welcomed” and “go back to your country” : just to compare the Need for : HYPOCRISY NOBLE PRIZE.
Te receipt for More Division or even civil WAR IT IS stirred up DEMOCRATICALLY by Libs & Labs that been DEMOCRATICALLY OVER MANY DECADES Elected by ASSOCIATES/SUPPORTERS.
Either ;BOYCOTT ANY ELECTION Or the need for GOVERNOR GENERAL TO BE URGED BY THE AUSTRALIAN SOCIETY’S INTERVENTION.
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Plandemic
Indeed. C19 didn't keep young males out of armies or the fields, as it turns out.
Huge difference in those long ago historical pandemics with casualties being in the tens if not hundreds of millions. 25-75 million plague victims died soon after first contact by the old world and their all encompassing conquest of the Americas by those filthy, greedy Eurocentric rats.
Such an excellent example of how historical knowledge is updated, overturned, and sometimes misrepresented by various publications. Fantastic attention to detail and the open admission to blind spots.
Most of the popular videos concerning these subjects are full of sensationalized hype and flat out fiction. It's disappointing that the general public isn't interested in actual research carried out by professionals.
Keep up the good work!
Had this floating in my recommendation for a few days now. Was not expecting that intro!
So this was a great show and I learned a lot and it’s fascinating! Has anybody actually built a systems model based upon any of this to look for how the stressors affected the system. you mentioned a system many times but is anybody actually built a model? that would be very enlightening I think!
Do the letters he read out first match with the drought and earthquakes he describes later? I didn't think so.
Regarding bronze vs iron
The speaker makes a really good point about "a sharp edge is a sharp edge." Don't forget we are talking iron here, not steel. Not to say that carbon didn't get into the iron at all, but people hadn't quite figured out steel yet. So while iron is harder than bronze, it's not like steel.
Like bronze, iron is given to bending as well as requiring frequent sharpening (though less frequently w iron).
Going back even further around 12,000 years ago we were near extinct because of a coronal mass ejection during the younger dryas cataclysm...
1:09:40 “You’re not going to actually do it unless you HAVE to” (referring to the transition from bronze to iron). Welp, that pretty much sums up whether/when/how we’ll switch from fossil fuels to renewables, I suppose 😕.
I was pleasantly surprised by the question and answer session at the end; pretty interesting and informative.
the receipt : WE HAVE TO TO HAVE because otherwise IT COST US TOO MUCH.
“THEY CAN GO” if we Australians are to STOP THE DESTRUCTION.
Pointing fingers as happened in the past present and should not continue: both o f them:
‘Libs and Lab’ ---- “THEY CAN GO” voiding even GOVERNOR GENERAL Doing no more then INSULTING THE WORD : MONARCHY AND ROYAL MEANING.
typical !! again & again "DEMOCRATIC - DEMOCRACY" democracy that no longer demonstrate what constitute & stand for. Deeply Divided Australia can not conquer bright future delaying and jeopardising proper education for even more generations to come. Some of which learn today what Media interactions with THE TRUTH it is all about.
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better to avoid what it is Australia been push further and further in-to DANGER ZONE well before THIS PANDEMIC.
The previous Pandemic we have to have come at no surprise: Parliamentarians Associates/Supporters that keeps pronouncing the word DEMOCRACY; while ORGANISING CRIME Right in the PARLIAMENTS SPREADING IT TO THE REST OF THE WORLD TOO: Preventing anyone-else becoming MODEL COUNTRY:
The Urges Talks & Events did do nothing better nor further to prevent spiralling out of control 21Century Crime.
If U can imagine : I’m told : “my service to Australia it is not welcomed” and “go back to your country” : just to compare the Need for : HYPOCRISY NOBLE PRIZE.
Te receipt for More Division or even civil WAR IT IS stirred up DEMOCRATICALLY by Libs & Labs that been DEMOCRATICALLY OVER MANY DECADES Elected by ASSOCIATES/SUPPORTERS.
Either ;BOYCOTT ANY ELECTION Or the need for GOVERNOR GENERAL TO BE URGED BY THE AUSTRALIAN SOCIETY’S INTERVENTION.
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Who would build their city on an active fault zone?
Who would burn down a food storage in a time of drought?
Totally awesome lecture, btw.
Well San Francisco was twice built on a fault line. The air is electric so you can understand why people would be drawn to it.
Early maga shenanigans?
Nice intro- beautiful, really! Proof that it's businesses using all that power, not individuals
Incredible presentation
When anyone tries to explain what happened with the Mayan people, he/she might find that it's the same that happened to the Egyptians: The center of civilization(read as the mine of the most important resource) collapsed and drag everything with it. Hittite might seem to be less important than Egipt, but in fact, it was a symbiotic coexistence. When the capital of the Anahuac felt, it dragged the rest of the civilizations with it. Most of them had a Rennaissance, but it was built around mysticism and not by science. Antique people used science as it meant to be but after the colapse, mysticism was the rule.
I thoroughly enjoyed this lecture! So fascinating and well-presented! Thank you!
Are you his friend? 😂
That was a very, very long winded way of saying "I support the current thing". Well done.
Given I've only heard about Bronze Age Collapse here and there and had no idea it happened before that and until now it was this mysterious event, I'm glad this exist.
It was quite explanatory.
Thank you modern age global knowledge network 😌