Speech pathologist here. The part where you talk about your own style of ending a phrase (26:00 where you end the word shame like this: "shame-AH") is actually a really good technique to get rid of excess tension in your throat. It's like hitting a reset button before taking your next deep breath and when I practice with people who are using too much tension in their everyday speech patterns this is something I will give them as an exercise.
Can you elaborate on the exercise you give them? I think I have too much tension in my speech, which translates to my singing, which translates to my attempt to learn screaming of course. I lose my voice just from singing without any distortion.
Mad respect for going back to update this people generally dont want to admit when they've made a goof so i really appreciate you doing this, as someone who wants to learn how to do metal vocals safely.
As a student of Justin's, none of this is BS... he literally explains everything that he is talking about in this video, yet he goes even deeper and it helps. TAKE LESSONS PEOPLE, SAVE YOUR VOICE!
One person who very clearly saves a scream for studio recordings is Matt Honeycutt from Kublai Khan TX. To be quite honest I don't know how he does his technique in studio. It's incredibly unique. But live he switches to what seems to be fry screams. His studio vocals seem either very taxing on his stamina or his vocal cords. Either way man is a beast.
Matt Heafy from Trivium does the same thing. Live he does sort of a fry scream, and in the studio he just screams straight from his throat. He did it live until 2014 when he blew out his voice
I’m pretty sure Vincent from The Acacia Strain does something similar as well. Beefy false chords with lots of voice in the studio (or something else) and all fry on the stage. I’ve seen TAS and Kublai Khan both a bunch live and vocally they sound completely in person
It's really cool seeing you go through your old video and correcting yourself. It really shows how much you've grown as a vocalist and I respect tf out of that Side note, it's crazy seeing how far you've come as a vocalist. I remember seeing your Hungry Lights covers a few years ago and thinking you were a really cool, unique sounding vocalist. Fast forward to like a month and a half ago, I saw Tallah at Rockville and you were EASILY one of the best live vocalists I've ever seen
This is probably the most informative vocal video I've ever seen. This is a really well put together, well explained and overall fantastic video. Cool to see you correct your own misinformation, all the corrections and information was awesome to get
I'm so glad you made this, not just for me who's been at it for 11 years but for people starting out. That fucking sound at 6:23 made me shake dude. I started trying harsh vocals when I was 15 and my false cord-type screams had that sound all over and, just as you said, it didn't feel like it hurt at all, maybe a little feeling of strain but hey, I was used to thinking harsh vocals were a bit risky, didn't know better. It came to a point, not even 6 months into doing those screams on a weekly basis PLUS not taking proper time to rest after getting mononucleosis, my voice was 100% FUCKED. Trying those screams again sounded even worse and I even became scared of trying. Now I'm doing great, It's been years of learning how to actually do that stuff proper, and a lot of what I learned came from your vocal tips live/on socials and seeing you as a great standard for a modern metal tenor guy. But the thing is, You've also grown a fuckton as a vocalist since that video from 2016, you were already good but now you've learned a lot about how YOUR voice works and how it translates to other people's voices. Mad fucking respect. TL;DR You're doing a great service man.
Lol I have kind of a similar story as well. I I was around 14 yo and while straining to mimick Chester Bennington's screams (of course all in vain lol), I just damaged my throat so hard that I tasted some blood. Stopped talking altogether for a few hours and after that I somehow tried easing into it, don't even remember how or when I actually got it right cause it was so long ago. But eventually I found myself doing (somewhat safer) fry-ish screams. They can tire me a bit after a long while, but I rest right after, and I've been steadily improving ever since, thanks to Justin and Kardavox academy's videos (check him out, he's a lifesaver!) At this point people I've showed my effort to actually love the screams.
You're a beast and a great communicator/coach. Loved the statement at the beggining differencing between "studio screams" and "tour screams" as these CAN'T BE THE SAME. Learned to switch a while ago though but this information is priceless!
16:30 balloon analogy 🎈 18:30 diaphragm and stomach explanation (gas pedal) 21:30 where I left off So far feeling like a paid-for vocal lesson, minus the 1-1. Thank you for this. I've always struggled with screaming/singing
Got to meet Justin at Rockville honestly didn’t know of Tallah at the time but holy shit the fucking energy, showmanship, and even just friendliness blew me away. I got to meet him and talk for a second I could tell he was a solid dude and ever since you been on my playlists
This is invaluable advice for me on my vocal journey. Thank you for taking the time to analyze & correct your past work! I made sure to take lots of notes. You do have an amazing grasp & a breadth of knowledge on vocals AND the ability to explain things in layman's terms which is much appreciated !
I don't log in to TH-cam anymore, just signed in to write this: Oh my god. Justin. This is literal gold. I have never learnt so much in an hour, and so many important things in an hour. You are doing the world a favour. Thank you.
Doing screams for about six years like that - 47:25 I really don't want to play show tomorrow after watching this video now... Come save me, Justin! Could you teach one russian guy how to scream safely?
Hey! thank you very much for the follow up video :) I was already screaming and growling before i Saw your first video and i remember really beeing surprised by how it was totally different from how i would've described the experience of screaming. This follow up suddenly makes everything right. It describes most if not every aspect how i experience them as well! It makes me happy and reassured. So thank you :) cheers from France ! Good Luck ;)
I'm surprised you didn't mention Cradle of Filth or Dir En Grey for the reed sounding one. I think my favorite moment with it in CoF is 6 minutes and 20 seconds into "you will know the lion by his claw" def check it out whenever you get the time!
It is so cool to see how much you've learned and how in-depth your knowledge of vocal technique has become! I remember watching your 2016 video when it came out dozens of times to try and learn how to scream, and I definitely remember having problems with discomfort when I tried that hybrid technique. I've managed to mostly remedy the issue on my own since then, but this video is going to be super helpful going forward. Thanks for this!!!
I saw you opening for Avatar in Madison WI this past September, and even though I had never heard your music, I was quite impressed by your performance. You guys were awesome!
What do you think about a screamer like Jon Mess who, especially on their most recent releases, really clearly is focusing on getting a note in behind the distortion?
Saw DGD last fall, Jon and Tillian both sounded incredible live. He sounds better in the studio these days too. Listen to the 2021 rerecord of Uneasy Hearts Weigh The Most, it's clear as day that Jon has improved massively on his technique since the original was recorded. Imo he's a very underrated vocalist.
Fun shit my guy. Back in 2017 i wanted to learn to scream, so i tried the dog barking method, got me somewhere but not where i needed to be. I gave up learning, and fast forward a few years (2 weeks ago lol) i picked up learning again. I stumbled across your video again. I saw the inhale thing and gave it a try. Literally without exagerating, first couple of trys and i already screamed like i had years of experience. That shit gave me a huge confidence boost and started inhaling a whole fuckin lot. I even did a full studio recording session with just inhales and it sounded great. Next couple of days i had a sore throat but it was fine afterall. I can get some pretty nasty screams with inhales, but i have no fuckin idea on how to translate them to exhales, every shit i try doesnt even come close to those inhales. Would love to take 1 on 1 lessons but i'm tight on budget, so when i get my hands on some money we gotta make it happen. Much love from Romania and stay safe bro
22:50 I think it’s just because people who go out of there way to say the n word are usually racist. obviously context matters but a lot of people disguise racist ideas and conspiracies as “just jokes”. I do hope the word can hold less weight in the future
I’ve only been screaming for about a week and have been attempting highs with false chord. The noise you demonstrated is the exact same as what i’ve been doing and had know idea that it was harmful because it didn’t hurt. However i was losing my voice slightly and had no clue why. Thank you so much for this video, it was incredibly insightful.
at 38 trying this for the first time... tore my voice box up within a minute, pacticing from your first vid, before finding this one... (the big ass dog technique still tore me up... I have NO IDEA what i am doing.) should'a watched this one first. I think I need the fundamentals first, before moving one. any recommendations (open to all)
You are a really good teacher! I also started with fry screams (mainly because I was still scared of practicing when others were around and I expected these to be quiter). I've been able to add some false chord to it in previous months but holy shit, you just made me do my first controlled full false chord low I think. The sound you show around 43:40 really helps me get into the type of low I want to be able to do (hybrid). Kind of modeling after the sound of Phil Bozeman from Whitechapen or Will Ramos from Lorna Shore, who have these tight sounding false chord lows without airiness.
Also 57:52 literally just taught me how to fry scream. I've been trying for years and never found a good tutorial but all it took was a couple seconds of this video to finally make it click LMAO
Been doing vocals for about 4 years and In all honesty I had no idea you could get low exhaling. So I started doing inhales. Fast forward 4 years I figured out what a false chord was and the terminology and I’ve been working on it ever sense. But I won’t lie my inhales have morphed into something unique and beautiful. I can compete and sound just like a false chord screamer. I use it a lot less now since I want to keep screaming for as long as I can.
Same here. I've done inhales for about 3 years and they don't sound super sucked in, for lack of a better term, unlike most inhale screamers sound like Decimate The Weak era Winds Of Plague or Oli from Archspire when he does them which is not very often. I've never had any major pain with them at all, sometimes if I push too hard it hurts a tiny bit, then I stop for the rest of the day. I know I should learn how to do a proper false chord or fry scream though, given all the bad rep that inhales get. I have the foundation of the fry scream down but haven't been able to give it much power. False chord I completely can't figure out.
@@The_JustJoshing sucked in was the word I was looking for. For me it doesn’t sound like a inhale when taking a deep breath. It has distortion and and meaty sound to it, now and with mouth and tongue manipulation I can get the sound to replicate tunnels and all those. I can also activate my nose and suck in air from nose to get this weeping demon sound and when I add a little more throat action I get this gnarly demonic sound that is super unique. Prolly not a good thing tho lol. As for fry, thats my main technique, I can do all the different renditions of it. It’s been about 4 months or so since I started doing false chord and I can activate at will now. Keep going at it man stay away from inhaling as much as you can I’m trying to do the same.
The first tip with regards to the false chords trashing your voice is something that I experienced myself but have never heard anyone say before. Recording my false chord vocals was the toughest shit ever, even though I felt no pain. Recording with a sort of powerfry scream now is a lot better, my voice doesn’t get damaged, only tired
By doing this You have created the single most comprehensible and condensed "reversed classroom" vocal coaching lesson in the history of mankind. All the love to you my Dude! P.S.: that heart piercing suits you real well, I love it
That old video taught me a lot. I learned how to manipulate my sound quite a bit, and it's really helped my range. I can extend higher than a mid, and my deeper voice lets me make good use of my lows. I'm not much of a vocalist anyway, but I like being able to scream along as I'm driving, and once I'm comfortable with composing songs, I want vocals in my toolkit moving forward anyway.
The best part of all of this video is how he comes forward with his old false information and completely backs them up with new proven information. Growth is a beautiful thing, but what's even better is when it's reflected upon. 😁🤘
"Your favourite vocalist could sound amazing and have literally no idea what they're doing!" Devin Townsend comes to mind here. Incredible voice that seems to have only gotten better with age, but he's said numerous times he has no idea what he's actually doing to sound the way he does.
God this video is horrifying for me lol. I used to pretty much constantly do inhales and then just screaming with my true vocal folds. I didn't ever perform super frequently and I haven't performed in years but I'm not certain I didn't permanently damage my voice.
I just love the Information that nowadays is out there on yt. Hopfully in the future we get some recordings from inside the body if Will is doing that with the charismatic voice
I honestly really like that this videos is so long, it's really informative and I didn't know and wouldn't have known a TON of this stuff if it weren't for this video. Thank you Justin :D
i still can’t do the shit but this is so helpful lmao. fuckin terrified of trying, especially since i’m a girl and there aren’t a whole lot of girls doing this out there, but the way you break stuff down makes it way less intimidating. it’s not abt some stupid fuckin “i don’t wanna do it if no one else is doing it” thing, it’s literally just that our voices and our anatomy are way different, and i don’t know jack shit about shit so idk if it works different too? and i think i’ve already got vocal damage so i’m not out here tryna fuck my shit up yknow💀this is gonna take a long ass time. but i wanted to say thanks for both of these videos, saw that other one when i was like 15 and it’s still the only other video i’ve understood even a little.
most of the anatomy required for harsh vocals are the same between male/female, it's just that the size/shape may vary and therefore so will your tone. afaik, the technique is the same
Such a cool guy. You could have easily just said fuck doing videos like these. You got leasons and a band you could have just said fuck everyone else. I know how to do it and that’s all that matters. Plus you’re probably really busy. Instead you come and give us a hogh quality video like this and give back valuable information to the fans. Thank you so much man. Really appreciate you and hope more great things come your way. Thank you for these videos and thank you for your music
Well damn I wish THIS video existed like 5 years ago lol my voice is deader then dead thanks to some of the points you’ve raised here and I didn’t even learn from the 2016 video I used zen of screaming but she missed points you’ve covered here
I absolutely loved both of your tutorials hermano, it was very original and genuine that you had the guts to auto criticized yourself and humbled yourself to do it, also thank you for the inside brother, are you still touring? And if so arizona in your plans?
This video is S Tier. The whisper scream reminded me of Your Existence by Like Moths to Flame. I gotta reassess my bad habits after this video. Thanks!
Hey Justin! Thanks so much for this video! This cleared up so many thingd but also reassured me and gave me some (over)confidence that I got atleast smth right :D
Thank you so much Justin, I really been needing more advice for my metal vocals, I'm only in a highschool band but I'm the only one in the school who could do a deep low vocal growl screams
@@HungryLights As an amateur vocalist, you, Will and CJ McCreery were a huge inspiration on how I approach heavy vocals. So rock on, man, can't wait to see any future work you'll do with Tallah! :)
It's fucking cool seeing how much you've learned and improved over the few years since that video. I found out about you from Musician Mansion and have been binging your shit in no real order, and the seeing the growth might be the best part honestly EDIT: Also, the Donald Duckcore one... I do that all the time to do the Golem voice lmao
So at 1:28, the text comes up saying you've been teaching vocals. Is it in person only, or is that something you do online through Zoom or something? Because I've been wanting to take vocal lessons for a long time now, because I can watch all these tutorials online and understand them, but still not be able to put it in practice, for some reason (I'm saying this before fully watching this one. It's an hour, and watching things for that long can be difficult for me, so I'm gonna have to come back and do it in chunks) I feel I need that one on one thing, where someone can actually help ME specifically edit: I see now where you address that question at 5:30. That's on me for commenting before watching
thank you so much for clarifying the difference between safe and studio safe. unfortunately a LOT of people don't know the difference. also that Chester Bennington impression is on point
Speech pathologist here. The part where you talk about your own style of ending a phrase (26:00 where you end the word shame like this: "shame-AH") is actually a really good technique to get rid of excess tension in your throat. It's like hitting a reset button before taking your next deep breath and when I practice with people who are using too much tension in their everyday speech patterns this is something I will give them as an exercise.
It also sounds pretty cool imo. At least in this context
Can you elaborate on the exercise you give them? I think I have too much tension in my speech, which translates to my singing, which translates to my attempt to learn screaming of course. I lose my voice just from singing without any distortion.
*Me* : So, it's all mids?
*Justin* : "always has been"
Mad respect for going back to update this people generally dont want to admit when they've made a goof so i really appreciate you doing this, as someone who wants to learn how to do metal vocals safely.
As a student of Justin's, none of this is BS... he literally explains everything that he is talking about in this video, yet he goes even deeper and it helps. TAKE LESSONS PEOPLE, SAVE YOUR VOICE!
How do I get lessons??
some of it is NOT quite on poin but its close enough
I would like to but I'm broke 😅
How much are lessons?
Is it normal to feel a little bit of burning throat ?
Absolutely lost it at the "I'm a male tenor, if you're a baritone, or a bass... or a girl. You're not gonna sound like me."
One person who very clearly saves a scream for studio recordings is Matt Honeycutt from Kublai Khan TX. To be quite honest I don't know how he does his technique in studio. It's incredibly unique. But live he switches to what seems to be fry screams. His studio vocals seem either very taxing on his stamina or his vocal cords. Either way man is a beast.
Matt Heafy from Trivium does the same thing. Live he does sort of a fry scream, and in the studio he just screams straight from his throat. He did it live until 2014 when he blew out his voice
I’m pretty sure Vincent from The Acacia Strain does something similar as well. Beefy false chords with lots of voice in the studio (or something else) and all fry on the stage. I’ve seen TAS and Kublai Khan both a bunch live and vocally they sound completely in person
His scream is sweet and it helped me find that my voice needs a similar style vs the more deathcore stuff I was struggling with
Honeycutt is the best
I actually think they sound way heavier and better live
It's really cool seeing you go through your old video and correcting yourself. It really shows how much you've grown as a vocalist and I respect tf out of that
Side note, it's crazy seeing how far you've come as a vocalist. I remember seeing your Hungry Lights covers a few years ago and thinking you were a really cool, unique sounding vocalist. Fast forward to like a month and a half ago, I saw Tallah at Rockville and you were EASILY one of the best live vocalists I've ever seen
that "big ass dog" technique really helped me scream, I've been doing screams for 3 years and i learned a lot, and keep learning too
Yeah, that's the one that changed everything for me
This is probably the most informative vocal video I've ever seen.
This is a really well put together, well explained and overall fantastic video. Cool to see you correct your own misinformation, all the corrections and information was awesome to get
50:55
Me: "Woah, WOAH, WOW-"
"It's really not that impressive."
Me- "Oh-okay" o__o
I'm so glad you made this, not just for me who's been at it for 11 years but for people starting out. That fucking sound at 6:23 made me shake dude. I started trying harsh vocals when I was 15 and my false cord-type screams had that sound all over and, just as you said, it didn't feel like it hurt at all, maybe a little feeling of strain but hey, I was used to thinking harsh vocals were a bit risky, didn't know better. It came to a point, not even 6 months into doing those screams on a weekly basis PLUS not taking proper time to rest after getting mononucleosis, my voice was 100% FUCKED. Trying those screams again sounded even worse and I even became scared of trying. Now I'm doing great, It's been years of learning how to actually do that stuff proper, and a lot of what I learned came from your vocal tips live/on socials and seeing you as a great standard for a modern metal tenor guy.
But the thing is, You've also grown a fuckton as a vocalist since that video from 2016, you were already good but now you've learned a lot about how YOUR voice works and how it translates to other people's voices. Mad fucking respect.
TL;DR You're doing a great service man.
agreed. This video is very helpful
Lol I have kind of a similar story as well. I I was around 14 yo and while straining to mimick Chester Bennington's screams (of course all in vain lol), I just damaged my throat so hard that I tasted some blood. Stopped talking altogether for a few hours and after that I somehow tried easing into it, don't even remember how or when I actually got it right cause it was so long ago. But eventually I found myself doing (somewhat safer) fry-ish screams. They can tire me a bit after a long while, but I rest right after, and I've been steadily improving ever since, thanks to Justin and Kardavox academy's videos (check him out, he's a lifesaver!) At this point people I've showed my effort to actually love the screams.
You're a beast and a great communicator/coach. Loved the statement at the beggining differencing between "studio screams" and "tour screams" as these CAN'T BE THE SAME. Learned to switch a while ago though but this information is priceless!
Dude idk if anyones ever told you this, but you would be an absolutely worthy successor to lead Linkin Park after they lost Chester.
16:30 balloon analogy 🎈
18:30 diaphragm and stomach explanation (gas pedal)
21:30 where I left off
So far feeling like a paid-for vocal lesson, minus the 1-1. Thank you for this. I've always struggled with screaming/singing
"It's my PROFESSION, I don't think it gets any more PROFESSIONAL than that."
Hahaha! Love you man. Great vocals great band and cool dude.
Your diaphragm analogy with the balloon is extremely helpful for non-screamers as well
Honestly this, I learned proper breath control/compression from this video and have applied it since in choir
my day is made Justin has uploaded
This is better than the Zen of Screaming. WAYYY better.
some important points highlight
11:35 How to flase cord and fry
13:20 closed your vocal cord when doing flase cord
Bro Justin would be the BEST replacement for Chester Bennington wtfffffff
This is gonna come in handy next time I tell my mom to get out of my room
Got to meet Justin at Rockville honestly didn’t know of Tallah at the time but holy shit the fucking energy, showmanship, and even just friendliness blew me away. I got to meet him and talk for a second I could tell he was a solid dude and ever since you been on my playlists
This is invaluable advice for me on my vocal journey. Thank you for taking the time to analyze & correct your past work! I made sure to take lots of notes. You do have an amazing grasp & a breadth of knowledge on vocals AND the ability to explain things in layman's terms which is much appreciated !
33:25 Congratulations Justin. You've officially reached a new low.
I don't log in to TH-cam anymore, just signed in to write this:
Oh my god. Justin. This is literal gold. I have never learnt so much in an hour, and so many important things in an hour. You are doing the world a favour. Thank you.
Doing screams for about six years like that - 47:25
I really don't want to play show tomorrow after watching this video now...
Come save me, Justin! Could you teach one russian guy how to scream safely?
Hey! thank you very much for the follow up video :)
I was already screaming and growling before i Saw your first video and i remember really beeing surprised by how it was totally different from how i would've described the experience of screaming. This follow up suddenly makes everything right. It describes most if not every aspect how i experience them as well! It makes me happy and reassured. So thank you :) cheers from France ! Good Luck ;)
Glad to see this video. It's always awesome watching Justin break down vocals and techniques in depth. The man is a fountain of knowledge.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Cradle of Filth or Dir En Grey for the reed sounding one. I think my favorite moment with it in CoF is 6 minutes and 20 seconds into "you will know the lion by his claw" def check it out whenever you get the time!
It is so cool to see how much you've learned and how in-depth your knowledge of vocal technique has become! I remember watching your 2016 video when it came out dozens of times to try and learn how to scream, and I definitely remember having problems with discomfort when I tried that hybrid technique. I've managed to mostly remedy the issue on my own since then, but this video is going to be super helpful going forward. Thanks for this!!!
It's the creed beanie for me😂😂😂😂.
Great update vid btw
“Pretty sure that’s what olí Sykes, still does” LMFAOAOAOA
56:33 *donald duck intensifies*
I saw you opening for Avatar in Madison WI this past September, and even though I had never heard your music, I was quite impressed by your performance. You guys were awesome!
Yoooo Avatar the band from Sweden? If so thats pretty lit
@@Bdjdjejekshebene Yeah! That was my 3rd time seeing them, they put on a great show
55:16 sounds like my mother, you've got a great new fav technique :)
Am I going mad or do I hear two completely different voices in there? That's so sick!
@@Dolkarr Hear them as well... massive stuff
Alternative title : Justin advertising his vocal lessons for an hour
Jokes aside I may look into getting some lessons from you
28:27 This helps a whole lot. I always wondered how they produce this grit
This video blew my fucking pants off dude. All these years of not understanding this mythical diaphragm explained instantly.
48:46 I see what you did there xD
Yeah we all saw that lol, he's not so sneaky lol
Patron Saint of screaming vocals
What do you think about a screamer like Jon Mess who, especially on their most recent releases, really clearly is focusing on getting a note in behind the distortion?
Saw DGD last fall, Jon and Tillian both sounded incredible live. He sounds better in the studio these days too. Listen to the 2021 rerecord of Uneasy Hearts Weigh The Most, it's clear as day that Jon has improved massively on his technique since the original was recorded.
Imo he's a very underrated vocalist.
Fun shit my guy. Back in 2017 i wanted to learn to scream, so i tried the dog barking method, got me somewhere but not where i needed to be. I gave up learning, and fast forward a few years (2 weeks ago lol) i picked up learning again. I stumbled across your video again. I saw the inhale thing and gave it a try. Literally without exagerating, first couple of trys and i already screamed like i had years of experience. That shit gave me a huge confidence boost and started inhaling a whole fuckin lot. I even did a full studio recording session with just inhales and it sounded great. Next couple of days i had a sore throat but it was fine afterall. I can get some pretty nasty screams with inhales, but i have no fuckin idea on how to translate them to exhales, every shit i try doesnt even come close to those inhales. Would love to take 1 on 1 lessons but i'm tight on budget, so when i get my hands on some money we gotta make it happen. Much love from Romania and stay safe bro
22:50 I think it’s just because people who go out of there way to say the n word are usually racist. obviously context matters but a lot of people disguise racist ideas and conspiracies as “just jokes”.
I do hope the word can hold less weight in the future
I’ve only been screaming for about a week and have been attempting highs with false chord. The noise you demonstrated is the exact same as what i’ve been doing and had know idea that it was harmful because it didn’t hurt. However i was losing my voice slightly and had no clue why. Thank you so much for this video, it was incredibly insightful.
at 38 trying this for the first time... tore my voice box up within a minute, pacticing from your first vid, before finding this one... (the big ass dog technique still tore me up... I have NO IDEA what i am doing.) should'a watched this one first. I think I need the fundamentals first, before moving one. any recommendations (open to all)
that creed beanie though
i was using throat constriction for my low's. and i thought it was low fry just because my false chords low's were like shit. and i wasn't loud enough
You should totally do another tutorial with the knowledge you have now
He does, that would be his lessons.
You are a really good teacher! I also started with fry screams (mainly because I was still scared of practicing when others were around and I expected these to be quiter). I've been able to add some false chord to it in previous months but holy shit, you just made me do my first controlled full false chord low I think. The sound you show around 43:40 really helps me get into the type of low I want to be able to do (hybrid). Kind of modeling after the sound of Phil Bozeman from Whitechapen or Will Ramos from Lorna Shore, who have these tight sounding false chord lows without airiness.
Also 57:52 literally just taught me how to fry scream. I've been trying for years and never found a good tutorial but all it took was a couple seconds of this video to finally make it click LMAO
Been doing vocals for about 4 years and In all honesty I had no idea you could get low exhaling. So I started doing inhales.
Fast forward 4 years I figured out what a false chord was and the terminology and I’ve been working on it ever sense.
But I won’t lie my inhales have morphed into something unique and beautiful. I can compete and sound just like a false chord screamer.
I use it a lot less now since I want to keep screaming for as long as I can.
Same here. I've done inhales for about 3 years and they don't sound super sucked in, for lack of a better term, unlike most inhale screamers sound like Decimate The Weak era Winds Of Plague or Oli from Archspire when he does them which is not very often. I've never had any major pain with them at all, sometimes if I push too hard it hurts a tiny bit, then I stop for the rest of the day. I know I should learn how to do a proper false chord or fry scream though, given all the bad rep that inhales get. I have the foundation of the fry scream down but haven't been able to give it much power. False chord I completely can't figure out.
@@The_JustJoshing sucked in was the word I was looking for. For me it doesn’t sound like a inhale when taking a deep breath. It has distortion and and meaty sound to it, now and with mouth and tongue manipulation I can get the sound to replicate tunnels and all those.
I can also activate my nose and suck in air from nose to get this weeping demon sound and when I add a little more throat action I get this gnarly demonic sound that is super unique.
Prolly not a good thing tho lol.
As for fry, thats my main technique, I can do all the different renditions of it. It’s been about 4 months or so since I started doing false chord and I can activate at will now.
Keep going at it man stay away from inhaling as much as you can I’m trying to do the same.
Got any videos or audio clips of these inhales you're talking about? Would've loved to hear it!
@@regdenee I just got recording equipment so I’m hoping to start uploading vocal stuff soonish.
The first tip with regards to the false chords trashing your voice is something that I experienced myself but have never heard anyone say before. Recording my false chord vocals was the toughest shit ever, even though I felt no pain. Recording with a sort of powerfry scream now is a lot better, my voice doesn’t get damaged, only tired
By doing this You have created the single most comprehensible and condensed "reversed classroom" vocal coaching lesson in the history of mankind. All the love to you my Dude!
P.S.: that heart piercing suits you real well, I love it
Amazing! it's even more awesome knowing that you got the time to make this video to still help ppl to do right "metal screams". Thanks a lot for this.
Also, love how you used the word "proprioception". Never would know that words meaning if it wasn't for And Hell Followed With 🙏
That old video taught me a lot. I learned how to manipulate my sound quite a bit, and it's really helped my range. I can extend higher than a mid, and my deeper voice lets me make good use of my lows. I'm not much of a vocalist anyway, but I like being able to scream along as I'm driving, and once I'm comfortable with composing songs, I want vocals in my toolkit moving forward anyway.
I hope you can get some good insight from this video bc honestly when Justin is correcting himself he gives some great points
The best part of all of this video is how he comes forward with his old false information and completely backs them up with new proven information. Growth is a beautiful thing, but what's even better is when it's reflected upon. 😁🤘
You turned screaming into science and made it fun. You made science fun man.
"Your favourite vocalist could sound amazing and have literally no idea what they're doing!" Devin Townsend comes to mind here. Incredible voice that seems to have only gotten better with age, but he's said numerous times he has no idea what he's actually doing to sound the way he does.
God this video is horrifying for me lol. I used to pretty much constantly do inhales and then just screaming with my true vocal folds. I didn't ever perform super frequently and I haven't performed in years but I'm not certain I didn't permanently damage my voice.
I just love the Information that nowadays is out there on yt. Hopfully in the future we get some recordings from inside the body if Will is doing that with the charismatic voice
I honestly really like that this videos is so long, it's really informative and I didn't know and wouldn't have known a TON of this stuff if it weren't for this video. Thank you Justin :D
dude ive been trying to figure out how to scream for a couple years, and your explanation makes more pragmatic sense than anything ive seen before.
THIS IS THE VIDEO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR IM SO EXCITED FOR THIS
i still can’t do the shit but this is so helpful lmao. fuckin terrified of trying, especially since i’m a girl and there aren’t a whole lot of girls doing this out there, but the way you break stuff down makes it way less intimidating. it’s not abt some stupid fuckin “i don’t wanna do it if no one else is doing it” thing, it’s literally just that our voices and our anatomy are way different, and i don’t know jack shit about shit so idk if it works different too? and i think i’ve already got vocal damage so i’m not out here tryna fuck my shit up yknow💀this is gonna take a long ass time. but i wanted to say thanks for both of these videos, saw that other one when i was like 15 and it’s still the only other video i’ve understood even a little.
most of the anatomy required for harsh vocals are the same between male/female, it's just that the size/shape may vary and therefore so will your tone. afaik, the technique is the same
Yeah, ask Courtney LaPlante from Spiritbox or Lauren Babic 🤌
35:00 i do them for the bree-bree's
If you could teach me how to scream, I would certainly embrace you... With arms wide open.
Such a cool guy. You could have easily just said fuck doing videos like these. You got leasons and a band you could have just said fuck everyone else. I know how to do it and that’s all that matters. Plus you’re probably really busy. Instead you come and give us a hogh quality video like this and give back valuable information to the fans. Thank you so much man. Really appreciate you and hope more great things come your way. Thank you for these videos and thank you for your music
dude, i just wanna say thank for this, you help and educate alot of people with this, thank you very much
Stoked to find out I figured out some of these “corrected” methods on my own somehow. Thanks my guy for your immense help in my screaming journey 🖤
11:35 what’s funny is that’s actually how I started learning how to scream with my voice, by breathing.
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Brilliant video! I love the diagrams you used to help describe and portray the techniques, mouth and tongue movement,/placement etc.
Well damn I wish THIS video existed like 5 years ago lol my voice is deader then dead thanks to some of the points you’ve raised here and I didn’t even learn from the 2016 video I used zen of screaming but she missed points you’ve covered here
Just informing for the years I’ve been watching you man, been loving all that you do.
Keep it up and can’t wait for more 👊
I wish I knew all of this in 2004
This got to be the best video out there for screaming.
u should do videos reacting to your viewers vocals/music
I absolutely loved both of your tutorials hermano, it was very original and genuine that you had the guts to auto criticized yourself and humbled yourself to do it, also thank you for the inside brother, are you still touring? And if so arizona in your plans?
Thank you, Im going to quickly start a DonaldDuck-core band😂
I just wanted to compliment your belly button piercing, super cute! ☺️✨
i thought you looked familiar when i seen the MV to vanilla paste im like "aint that the one SAY WITH YOUR CHEST!" scream guy on youtube lmfao
This video is S Tier.
The whisper scream reminded me of Your Existence by Like Moths to Flame.
I gotta reassess my bad habits after this video. Thanks!
"I'm sitting in her wheelchair right now"
Bru XD
Your old video actually got me into vocals myself. Not sure where'd I be without it even if it isn't the most accurate
He brought back the *S H I E T*
35:48
Hey Justin! Thanks so much for this video! This cleared up so many thingd but also reassured me and gave me some (over)confidence that I got atleast smth right :D
Thank you so much Justin, I really been needing more advice for my metal vocals, I'm only in a highschool band but I'm the only one in the school who could do a deep low vocal growl screams
Holy shit, I had no Idea this was Justin. So crazy that he is now my favorite vocalist.
Around 45 min you taught me that everything I do is wrong.
lyrics: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH
50:00 well did not expect the dead grandma story hahahahah I also have a dark sence of humor. Good one 🤣🤣🤣
I heard that snarl and got those To the Hellfire vibes, lol. I'd really love to see you collab with Lorna Shore's vocalist
Will seems like an awesome dude. Would love to collab with him on something.
@@HungryLights As an amateur vocalist, you, Will and CJ McCreery were a huge inspiration on how I approach heavy vocals. So rock on, man, can't wait to see any future work you'll do with Tallah! :)
It's fucking cool seeing how much you've learned and improved over the few years since that video. I found out about you from Musician Mansion and have been binging your shit in no real order, and the seeing the growth might be the best part honestly
EDIT: Also, the Donald Duckcore one... I do that all the time to do the Golem voice lmao
First dude on TH-cam to actually map out the space of possible voice sounds, like control knobs to sound like anyone on the planet.
58:00 is that the whistle scream from beyond deviation ?
wait wait hang on u mean to tell me u sang We, the sad???
So at 1:28, the text comes up saying you've been teaching vocals.
Is it in person only, or is that something you do online through Zoom or something?
Because I've been wanting to take vocal lessons for a long time now, because I can watch all these tutorials online and understand them, but still not be able to put it in practice, for some reason (I'm saying this before fully watching this one. It's an hour, and watching things for that long can be difficult for me, so I'm gonna have to come back and do it in chunks)
I feel I need that one on one thing, where someone can actually help ME specifically
edit: I see now where you address that question at 5:30. That's on me for commenting before watching
thank you so much for clarifying the difference between safe and studio safe. unfortunately a LOT of people don't know the difference.
also that Chester Bennington impression is on point
55:15 Just dropping a reminder to do another debunking for the other screaming tutorial you did whenever you have the time 🙏