Spot-on for describing both shoes. Got the Hyperion Max 2 recently knowing that it has a firm feel and ride and that it's more of a tempo/threshold workout shoe and it is exactly that. I'd say the Hyperion Max 2 is more in the category of super trainers like the Boston 12, Deviate Nitro 2/3, and Endorphin Speed 3/4 (haven't tried the 4) than max-stack super trainers like Superblast 2, MagMax Nitro, Skyward X, and Neo Vista (finally receiving the NV next week). Took the HM2 on a 7.5-mile tempo run with paces mostly in 7:00~7:30/mile (4:20~4:40/km) pace with a mile segment at around 6:20 (3:56/km) and it was a rush. The HM2 is so efficient and effortless when picking up the pace. It's like it has a turbo engine built in for fast acceleration. Haha. The forefoot propulsion and rocker just shoots you forward and reminded me a lot of the PXSv2 but lighter and lower to the ground. The SB2 is not that type of shoe. It takes a little while longer to build up the speed although it's great once you get to the desired pace and lock it in to sustain over longer distances. I really like the HM2 and it felt quite comfortable even though it has such a firm feel and ride. I don't think I'd want to take it on a long run of 15+ miles, but I'd be fine with it for mixed runs of easy, tempo, threshold intervals, fartlek, and progression with some strides adding up to 10~13 miles with some breaks in between. The SB2 can do lots of different runs as well, but the HM2 would be my choice for fast workouts and the SB2 would be better for easy-to-moderate pace daily runs as well as moderate-to-fast paced long runs as it has a smoother and more stable ride. They are virtually in different categories and I'd say very complementary. A minimal rotation of these two shoes along with a carbon-plated race shoe would cover a runner's marathon training block really well.
@@geoffreymccann2841 haha true! Maybe it's because all of the weight saving they are trying, playing with rubber compounds? Or maybe no-one cared back then and just ran 😂😂
@@run-are that's right there wasn't so many choices your training shoe was your trail shoe and your speed workout shoe and you got your racing flats out to race in 😂
@@run-are right, that doesn't make any sense. Also, a Supertrainer (aka daily trainer with Superfoam) vs a daily trainer wouldn't make much sense either. But if Supertrainer without Plate against Supertrainer/dailytrainer WITH plate is an Option... maybe vs Hoka Mach X(2)?
I had been looking into Mach X2 but I have two pairs of the Cielo X1 that I use as fast long-distance trainers than racing shoes. The impression I got is that the Mach X2 is a tamed down version of Cielo X1 (at much lower cost, of course), so it doesn't seem like it's something I can work into my rotation.
Maybe if you have the right foot shape for it! The upper on the Mach X2 was a disappointment for me for sure. The SB2 and HM2 have given me no trouble for runs. I actually just used the HM for a race today. The Mach X2 made my feet absolutely miserable 3 miles in.
Spot-on for describing both shoes. Got the Hyperion Max 2 recently knowing that it has a firm feel and ride and that it's more of a tempo/threshold workout shoe and it is exactly that. I'd say the Hyperion Max 2 is more in the category of super trainers like the Boston 12, Deviate Nitro 2/3, and Endorphin Speed 3/4 (haven't tried the 4) than max-stack super trainers like Superblast 2, MagMax Nitro, Skyward X, and Neo Vista (finally receiving the NV next week). Took the HM2 on a 7.5-mile tempo run with paces mostly in 7:00~7:30/mile (4:20~4:40/km) pace with a mile segment at around 6:20 (3:56/km) and it was a rush.
The HM2 is so efficient and effortless when picking up the pace. It's like it has a turbo engine built in for fast acceleration. Haha. The forefoot propulsion and rocker just shoots you forward and reminded me a lot of the PXSv2 but lighter and lower to the ground. The SB2 is not that type of shoe. It takes a little while longer to build up the speed although it's great once you get to the desired pace and lock it in to sustain over longer distances. I really like the HM2 and it felt quite comfortable even though it has such a firm feel and ride. I don't think I'd want to take it on a long run of 15+ miles, but I'd be fine with it for mixed runs of easy, tempo, threshold intervals, fartlek, and progression with some strides adding up to 10~13 miles with some breaks in between.
The SB2 can do lots of different runs as well, but the HM2 would be my choice for fast workouts and the SB2 would be better for easy-to-moderate pace daily runs as well as moderate-to-fast paced long runs as it has a smoother and more stable ride. They are virtually in different categories and I'd say very complementary. A minimal rotation of these two shoes along with a carbon-plated race shoe would cover a runner's marathon training block really well.
@@alexkhan2000 great rundown! Thanks for sharing
Excellent comparison! I agree with the first comments: Seems that Puma Magmax has a lot to offer in these type of shoes you show to us.
@@adr673 thanks for the comment
SB2 vs MagMax!!
@@femaciel it's coming
MagMax❤
I prefer the New Balance Balos
@@Alex-h3v6f me too!
Its funny how in the last several years grip has become an issue back 15 years ago i can never grip being an issue with any brand of shoes ????
@@geoffreymccann2841 haha true! Maybe it's because all of the weight saving they are trying, playing with rubber compounds? Or maybe no-one cared back then and just ran 😂😂
@@run-are that's right there wasn't so many choices your training shoe was your trail shoe and your speed workout shoe and you got your racing flats out to race in 😂
@@geoffreymccann2841 😂😂
How many miles do u think the brooks will last.. I have 500+ on my SB1
@@iLoveLucyy I think the Brooks will have 500 and more in it also
SB2 vs Endorphin Pro 4
@@RWG0914 Race shoe vs Super Trainer hey?
@@run-are right, that doesn't make any sense.
Also, a Supertrainer (aka daily trainer with Superfoam) vs a daily trainer wouldn't make much sense either.
But if Supertrainer without Plate against Supertrainer/dailytrainer WITH plate is an Option... maybe vs Hoka Mach X(2)?
Mach X2 over both of these
@@RyKnocks I'm going to have to get this Mach X2!
I had been looking into Mach X2 but I have two pairs of the Cielo X1 that I use as fast long-distance trainers than racing shoes. The impression I got is that the Mach X2 is a tamed down version of Cielo X1 (at much lower cost, of course), so it doesn't seem like it's something I can work into my rotation.
Maybe if you have the right foot shape for it! The upper on the Mach X2 was a disappointment for me for sure. The SB2 and HM2 have given me no trouble for runs. I actually just used the HM for a race today.
The Mach X2 made my feet absolutely miserable 3 miles in.
@@stefanierunz narrow?
@@run-arethey run narrow and the heel counter is really weird. Tight but loose at the same time. Foam underfoot is fantastic though.