Mike Portnoy - Odd-Time Signatures Demonstration
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- Mike Portnoy shows some Odd-Time Signature examples from Dream Theater Songs
Mike Portnoy Drums
John Myung Bass
Derek Sherinian Keyboards
From Mike's 1995 Video Lesson "Progressive Drums Concepts"
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I bought a drum kit because of this guy.
I also sold the kit because of this guy.
Incredible, love the way he explains it.
hahahaha
lol
ahhahahhaha
What a nice word salad. I love his chickie smile also, as if he's saying "oh yiu thought you didn't get this? Wait till you hear this other part"
Prog musicians look left, right, up, down, and within before crossing the street.
Ray Romanski Don't forget in other dimensions
Dude this is fuckin awesome
A privilege to give this it's 600th like brother
😂
Congrats on 666 likes
I think the scariest part of this video is that he actually understands what he's saying
That’s why he is not an ordinary drummer. Notice a lot or some drummers today don’t even understand or do what he does at all
Bbbut 6/8 is *not the same as 3/4
What he's saying isn't complicated. He's being very simplistic and concise in his explanation.
Maybe it's easier for me bc I remember watching this video over and over and over back in high school.
@@JasGoodgameJamzYuhteach us ur way sir
Dude's hair has hair.
it was the 90's
Wadakaa *laughs in Marty Friedmann*
His hair in this video looks exactly how mine does when I don't condition my hair properly and I wear headphones. Not conditioning enough makes it frizzy, headphones push the hair back a bit and make it look like you have twice the amount of hair xD
+Ruby Inferno
No matter how much I condition my hair it gets about that big and really frizzy. I have shoulder length hair and if my hair was as long as Mike's then it would probably look identical lol
jwardbass Haha. I have a very hard time stopping my hair from getting frizzy, to be honest. Oh well. Embrace the frizziness and the fact you can look slightly more like a legend!
*Breathes in 12/8*
+Aaron Rouse
*Breathes 7/8 in left nostril*
*Breathes 5/4 in right nostril*
+BRANDEN DANIEL I'm laughing in 6/8 just to sound a bit mainstream and farting in 9/8... oops that extra beat was not a fart
+BRANDEN DANIEL Nailed it
Thanks to you i've been trying to do this for the last 3 hours.
I have sneezing attacks in 5/8
Normal people: *lives in 2019*
Portnoy: *lives in 25/19*
This is a great comment lol.
Lol
“And simple arithmetic, we count this as simply 7/38ths, plus 13/38ths, then 5/19…, easy”
20/19*
10/19* guys…
i do not recommend watching this to Beginner drummers . it may cause depression .
it does indeed. F*ck!!
I'd recommend it as a good watch. Honestly, a lot of this is really easy to understand if you have a good comprehension of rhythm. You don't have to play specifically what he's playing, you can always come up with your own exercises based off what he's teaching.
lol not only to drummers, believe me
BLACKY MESS, COMING FROM DESPRESSED PERSON I GUESS ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BUT MOST BEGGINERS ARE STOKED TO WATCH THE GREAT ONES THAT ARE INSPIRATIONAL BUT THEN, I JUST MADE A BROWN MESS.
I DONT BELIEVE YOU OR blacky razor blazer>
I can play the riff of smoke on the water
LMAO! That's fucking hilarious!
I can play seven nation army...you suck
WoestynKonyn
Shit
Matt Moves Yeah...though I have to admit that I spent YEARS perfecting it...really a challenging song
But can you play the solo like Ritchie Blackmore?
0:48 OMFG MIKE PORTNOY CAN COUNT IN NORMAL TIME...... I DIDNT KNOW HE COULD DO THAT
I miss him so much in DT. He was the core of the band!
it's been 12 years m8...
@@EricVera539 He's still right.
Now hes back
@@RemarkablePerson All is right with the world again
I like the part where he played drums.
If this man doesn't make you love drumming I don't know what else could.
+Quester91 He doesn't swing like the old good Jazz superior music in my honest dogmatic truth.
+Quester91 if this man makes you love drumming - you have a bad taste. The most artificial sounding drummer ever, ridiculously overrated. While the best of the progressive drummers trying to make the odd signatures as subtle as they could sound Portnoy is doing the opposite. Look i can play 37\13.
+yrussq stop chatting shit mate
Paul Gooding
DT fanboy? Fuck you mate)
No really tbh mate. But ur comment was just retarded
Why am I watching this I don't even own a kit.
Stokes A Me too
You should get one!
Stokes A me too
I'm a guitar player lmao
I do not even play an instrument and find this interesting
It's interesting that whne you listen to the song the crazy time signatures aren't that detectable- the songs still groove really well and you just feel it instead of thinking "wow that is an odd groove"
him and Thomas haake should've done a video like this together hahaha.
+Akerfeldtfan It's a concept nicely described by Gavin Harrison called "overriding" - while he's definitely not an inventor of it - just have a nice explanation.
and thank to Rush for starting all that :)
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You notice it when you try to headbang to it that’s for sure
after this I noticed my heart is beating in 9/8
See a doctor
VanLuedewich *ARRYTHMIA*
VanLuedewich that’s called a heart murmur. You might wanna get that checked out.
After watching this video I noticed my heart wasn't beating🤣
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fukin lol!
I decided to learn the album, Awake. Oh yeah, I'm a drummer. I had never heard of DT until my friend put that CD in. At an hour a day, 6 days a week, for 2 years, I dissected, listened to, played and repeated that album from note one to the very end. It was a polyrhythmic and compounded meter clinic. From this album, Awake, I heard great music in every capacity for hours. I learned song development with regards to progressive rock, as explained by Mike himself. I did some home improvements for him and spent 2 weeks in his house. The man was nonstop, tapping his hands and feet on everything he could reach, in odd time of course. He is a killer musician and a great person otherwise.
Cool dude. Way to go!
I started playing drums because of John Bonham, Keith Moon and Bill Ward. I set my drums on fire because of Mike Portnoy.🔥
*throws drum set out the window*
correction... throws drum set in 11/8 out of the window
*_throws entire drum set into mousehole in 21/32_*
bigg content creator *master of puppets intensifies*
At 1995 Mike Portnoy explained this to people, at that time, I was eating dirt
Sorry to 1-up you, but i was but an egg at that point.
I had just started playing at 15 years old... this was like the best video ever (VHS lol) I still have it.. now I look back and man these drums and cymbals sound like ass
lol I was 1 hahahaha
Cj Withers Damn son, you missed the 90s? AYYYYY
pretty much hey haha, was 6 when the 90's ended
did you know? mike is not only a drummer he is a mathematician
Sounds nothing like AC/DC.
+Opera Singer AC/DC FTW. Fuck DT!))
+yrussq go fuck yourself
+J Venturella tfw when you don't get the joke
I'd like to hear someone adding those rhythms to AC/DC songs
these 2 bands use the drums for completely different purposes. AC/DC’s drums are the backbone for their style, whereas Dream Theater’s drums are as much at the forefront as the guitar. But this just highlights one of the primary differences between rock and metal.
math teacher/drum master
Interesting..when I play guitar, sometimes I strum a D, then go to C, but wait for it...switch up to a G, then right back to D just to melt the audience's face
+Taylor Zalewski I am curious about it. Do you have any videos of you to demonstrate that? Please, melt my face sir.
+Taylor Zalewski all this in 120 BPM? Wow.
+Taylor Zalewski i think he just forgot the chords progression and the audience be like "WTF????"
and only think audiences face is melted..
I don't play guitar but is that knocking on heavens door?
What the hell is that D C G? Chords must be D#7b5 C13b5 GM7b9 yeay play that
Peart, Mangini and Portnoy are about the only drummers out there who actually do this right. The off-beat or odd time grooves are an assault on the senses of a normal time keeper. These guys are truly amazing! I hope I can master this one day before i die.
There's plenty who do it well. Virgil Donati would be one of the best. Pick any from the dream theater doco for a new drummer.
Stian Kristofferson from pagans mind is another - half the time (pun) when listening I don't even tell it's odd time until I listen carefully.
Gavin Harrison man, Gavin Harrison
Bobby Jarzombek
Tomas Haake
Gene Hoglan
Gavin Harrison
Matt Gartska
Marco Minnemann
Sean Reinert
@@ryukan250 Danney Carey
Hi, I'm Mike Portnoy. As you can see, my beard has been meticulously drawn on with a sharpie, and is connected to my perm, which is seamlessly woven into my chest rug, which is displayed proudly to distract from my formidable eyebrows.
Bob Odenkirk
Bob Odenkirk
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But you're obviously bob odenkirk, it says it right there
As a drummer I understand his theory but his drumming still blows my mind away. So much skill.
If only my fiends could understand... They listen to the radio....
Your comment makes me happy
I hear you
we're your new friends
Josh whoaaaa you're so smart and unique
You need new friends
This guy is actually a clear and concise, good teacher
what is wrong with 4/4
+James Murphy There's nothing wrong with it, there's just so much more to music than 4/4 and the same chords repeated over and over. Music has literally infinite possibilities, and limiting yourself to 4/4 is just kind of a waste of all the other things you can do.
Couldnt have said it better myself. Reasons why I hate all pop.
+James Murphy because 4/4 sucks. It's not creative at all and everybody can use it, even people who know nothing about music theory
+AugustBurnsSam u think Mozart, Beethoven, Bach etc were stuck with 4/4? U should listen to their symphonies more carefully and count the beats and u'll hear different time signatures. And even if they used 4/4 they would use it in a very creative way like for example including syncopation
Med K I deleted my comment because i really didn't want to get into this. But yes, i know they didn't use only 4/4, and yes, i know that when they did use 4/4, they did other creative things. My main thing was that large use of odd-time signatures didn't come into play until around the romantic period and after. So up until that period, 4/4 and 3/4 were the main time signatures used. I'm not saying the only ones, i'm saying they were the main ones used by composers.
When I'm listening to DT I can never tell if my CD is skipping or there's an extra random beat on each bar
I understood everything after the 9 minute 11 seconds mark
craig whyte i see what you did there
craig whyte who is mark
craig whyte
Allahuakbar ?
Never forget...
The math, the math is strong here.
*arithmetic
Not Math, Music.
@@fernandoblengio music is math, nature is math
Not Math, Meth.
"musicians chose to be what they are cuz they don't know how to count til 100" they say....
Mike: well guys let's start with a 7+8+7-8+9383-83737-382+9738383x8778x838289x11221
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How can anyone not adore this musiscian?
+Klaus Bergmaier he can be a real dick, so it's easy not to
+Zagardal Aren't we all real dicks sometimes? Come on, MP is a just person.
Mariano Fernández never said otherwise. That doesn't change the fact that his attitude was somewhat exhausting after a while.
Zagardal I get your point, but, IMHO, I prefeer to focus on the great music he made in Dream and in the fun he made us have everytime he played in front of a camera.
Mariano Fernández
oh, so do I, most artists can be difficult to handle, but I'm talking about the other band members. If all the rest agreed to keep playing without him (it's not like DT members would stay out of a job for long), it says something.
I hardly know what he was even talking about, that was intense...
Jesus used to play drums apparently
Andrés Gómez Dueñas no he didn’t because he is not real
Stinky Tits r/wooosh
Stinky Tits actually the ancient Romans and Greeks documented the existence of Jesus crucifixion. So yeah he existed.
KJV1611 so I guess it must be true if the Ancient Greeks and romans said it. Holy shit thank you for enlightening me. If it had not been for the ancient Greeks and romans we would never know the might that is the Jesus ... wait, you know how we make up stuff today like super hero’s and shit maybe just maybe they made some shit up too.
@@stinkytits6025 you mean like the big bang and evolution? Do you know why this year is 2019?
One of the very few musicians with such mind blowing technical ability and mastery of theory who still manages to always be interesting and musical. Everything he plays supports and adds to the songs.
That style of 9/8 is so much cooler than 3/4 triplets
DrPengin the difference is in the pulse of the rhythm. 3/4 has a pulse of 1 2 3 with 1 the strongest beat 3 the next strongest and 2 the weakest. 6/8 is 123 456 with 1 and 4 being the strong beats. It gives the rhythm a different feel
DrPengin 9/8 would usually be 123
456 789 so it has triplets as it's feel. The 9/8 he's playing here has a quaver or 1/8th note feel to it. So instead of counting 123 456 789 he's counting 1+2+3+4+1|1+2+3+4+1 so it's a duplet feel not triplet.
@Riccardo Paolo Bestetti 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1
@Riccardo Paolo Bestetti kind of
Yall are all fucking wrong!
Its 035 035
I finally mastered Back in Black
Counts in 9/8 with a 4/4 click *brain fused*
Pretty standard thing to do. Even two clicks would be enough.
I love the ease of performance he produces, and the personable faces he makes while performing
Gonna have to add a stand to my drum kit for a calculator
8:08 when you realize you're too good at this
Lol..he was not kicked out. He got out of his own fcking will. Because he wants to live his life for a change and adventure.
He speaks so similar to John Petrucci!
Arent they both native to NYC?
Ofcz Petrucci taught Mike how to speak
Lol
He, Petrucci and Myung actually had to do everything together to play the musics, including bang wives, poop and relationship aggrements.
@Infantryman, Airborne that "toim" accent is because of Jewish influence
They all grew up together
Man, this guy is not of this world ! No comment, just deep respect Mike, God bless you !
The best part is that this guy its all feeling during his shows, its amazing how he is in control of everything that he is playing without losing his soul
Can't thank u enough Mike, My Keyboardist / Multi-Instrumentalist wants me 2 Drum 2 something he wrote in 9/8. Thanks 4 keeping me sharp Bro...!!!
I must also say that I've always loved the part in the Voices Ex. 4...steady China beat alternating smoothly from down beat to up beat...beautiful!
You can tell the greats... they share what they know and never hoard it. Great stuff.
This is a concise explanation of how to use time signatures. I still say Portnoy is the most creative drummer of our time.
I never paid much attention to drums until I saw MP in Deeam Theater and realized what it really takes to be a great drummer. Now that's one of the first things I pay attention to in a band. There are few truly GREAT drummers out there! Not only is he an awesome drummer, but a fantastic performer, composer, and I could go on and on!
Christ, there are thousands of GREAT drummers out there, hope you've got out more in the last four years and lived a bit.
He explained this in 1995. At that time I was just jizz.
yeah but 6 yeas later
Same here
so u blow up some tower at 6?
This commentis to all you musicians new to odd time signatures. About 12 years ago my best friend and drummer in my band got this DVD. For a while I felt u comfortable and co fused with odd time signatures. This video seemed super hard to play myself. I am watching it now and Im just super happy and excited because I know Ican play these basic grooves on the drums. I am a guitarist. Poinnt is, dont give up! 10,000 hours. It takes about 10,000 hours to master any skill. Youre young enough and youve got time to at least get a good grasp on it! Stick with it because its absolutely worth it. Rock on my fellow musicians, and godspeed.
such a percussion genius, really like this guy.
4/4 + 5/8 = 13/8
Came in mindless, left with algebra
Straight up. I'm still a bit confused at 9/8 but what are you gonna do....count your blessings.
that is not algebra
Mike is a technically proficient player who plays mostly complex music, yet simplifies it so well. I think that’s what the appeal is; he can create such accessible yet intriguing parts that even non-progressive fans can enjoy.
I think you're spot on.
Mike's speaking voice sounds completely different these days. What a drummer. He is my super inspiration.
Damn what a nice dude. Really cool to see such a beast be so humble. Awesome.
Whoa I was not even sperm when this was made and I still have it on VHS..............thank you grandad for bringing me many great moments on the drums with this video and my first pearl kit R.I.P
This is the dude from Metallica right?
elTorpedo no dream theater
Garegin Asatryan moron
Imagine Enter Sandman in 9/8, Lars would implode.
who?
Hahahaha
This video is extremely helpful, and gave me an easier method of considering time signatures and writing odd time signature beats, great stuff!
If I didn’t know this man and somebody asked me how a perfect drummer would sound like, I would describe Portnoy. Always knows how to play his parts, with technique and emotion.
9/8 is a mindfuck
really? try 45/8
Na. 17/8 is difficult
Mr.DOO oh man, i love odd time signatures. listen to their song called breaking all illusions, mike mangini is on drums, but its pretty cool
LarksVEVO
I live odd time signatures, and that's what I do most of the time when a piano happens to be in front of me
yeah man, it's awesome
hes a lion
Watching this video two years ago made me improve my drums so much. The example in pattern 4 was very influential in my writing
As a drummer trying to get better at drums I found this video to be helpful.
thank you mike and have a upvote
Such exceptional snare tone. This is something I do not hear with Mike Mangini's DT drumming, and I miss it.
I'm only commenting to bring some SANITY to this thread. His solos...good but lacking in expression and variety. His tutorials...VERY informative and well expressed. His writing and arranging....among the best I've ever heard. His hair? As a bald guy, I guess I'm not entitled to a comment.
He always enhances the song. Creative and musical at all times. But I don't get blown away by his solos in quite the same way I'm impressed by his song playing. It doesn't hurt that the genre he plays in often requires alot of the chops needed for solos to be on display during a song.
Mike Portnoy is one of the best drummers I've heard. One of my very favorites. His beats and fills are perfectly placed. A good song writer!! Love his hair and Sabian cymbals sound great.....
You should listen to his stuff with avenged sevenfold, specifically the song save me, he kinda went crazy
Crazy watching this years ago and it sounding so foreign but watching it now and knowing what he’s doing is actually pretty simple and helpful!
such a musical drummer...he's the perfect combination of musicality and technicality
A lot of hair in the 90s it seems.
Mike Portnoy in the 90s is more beautiful than any women these days
He is still beautiful.
Geez where do you live. There are plenty of gorgeous women.
I have to agree
Well,u got accept feminism is growing up these years,in future every women will get hairy axils,rude beard and why not some muscles and 27cm members....
I'm afraid
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I've to agree Too. Damn it
Those grooves from A Change of Seasons is so unconventional and proves how creative Mike is. No other drummer would have played it like that.
It was my favorite drummer back in 1992 and after 27 year he's still my favorite drummer.
Mike has an incredible ability to make weird time signatures sound easy to play but when you attempt it, it seems impossible
He needs some tarot cards.
Genius of Time signatures and skill. Great work.
Excellent begginer tutorial video! Easy pacing with basic beats, I like how you added in some addition subtraction stuff as well, this is perfect for my younger brother who wants to play the drums! I'm going to show this to him, hopefully he can play along Lars soon.
4:44
“If you add up 8/8 and 5/8, you get 13”
Thanks mike portnoy
The obvious sometimes is needed to be said
though even sometimes when we are talking about music the obvious simply doesn't comes to mind to most of people lol
can't blame they for this
that dude makes cool look casual
A small detail worth noting regarding portnoys playing of the 3/4, 9/8 change of seasons pattern is his inclusion of an open hi hat on count 9 at certain junctures of the groove sequence. It's actually rather difficult considering the placement within the groove added with the limb indepence it asks for to execute it confidently and musically. Portnoys work is still full of surprises years later
Images and Words and Awake are amazing albums
Not quite my tempo.
Sucks to be you
I'm gonna slap you as you count to realize the difference
😂whiplash
When you think you're loose unbuttoning one on your shirt.
MP: hold my shirt
I love learning to understand time signatures
Nice! Love Mike's playing
9/4 time signature is usual for DM??! what the fuck... they are super masters*
I resisted liking Mike Portnoy for a long time because I thought he emanates exorbitant amounts of Douchbaggery. But I could only resist for so long before I liked his work. Now that I have watched more and more of him, his affable brand of douchbaggery is starting to grow on me. It's almost like salt; on it's own it makes me pucker, but when added to a dish it helps bring out and accentuate the flavors that are already there... That and [IMO] he is one of the three best living rock drummers.
How is he a douchebag
Ed Kern Bro, what douchebaggery?
I don't know where you are getting douchebaggery from. Like, go watch Lars Ulrich just fucking breathe, and you'll understand douchebaggery.
who are the other two?
Daniel Aliaga I'm gonna guess one: Neil Peart
Such a well done video. Thank you Mike.
The first one is actually pretty simple and yet it makes such a sweet groove. Very useful to sound impressive.
Yeah this is cool, but can he play 7 nation army?
Hope you are joking! Nobody can beat Meg White!
Physics and abstract calculus. WTF
??? what
it isn´t
Its demystified in your local community college course "music theory." Alternatively, you could play drums for a jazz band.
Great examples and music, thank you.
The best way to learn this is by listening and drilling the counting into your head. Practice these same times you've been counting on a practice pad with combinations of rudiments and a metronome really slow. By the time you finally get on the kit you wont be thinking much at all to keep these counts while playing. Won't be long before you' aren't really counting any more and can improv these odd times without stepping out of time at all. I wish Mike still loved drumming like this and honed his technique and pushed the envelope some more....
the "dream" drummer... throw any odd ball rhythm at him and he starts adding signatures like they're fraction problems.
Jeez. Alternating 9/8 on the kick and snare beneath a mini-China in 9/4? WTF
after abt a few month of playing these its realy imporved my drumming, its good to work on theses
Great video. thanks! It's really cool to see how he counts bars and subdivision. Best Prog drummer ever
Mike portnoy does not write music, he writes art.
Why am I watching this? I'm not even a drummer. Now you guys know how guitarists feel after watching a Petrucci instructional video.
Wow a young Mike Portnoy wonder if he knew then the success he would achieve.. truly a legendary drummer
Very helpful and inspiring to create odd time signature music.