@@jan_Travis I GREW UP listening to Cobham, Carl Palmer, MAGMa, and the rest... so when I finally got my first drum kit (this summer)... i instantly could play insane time sigs... but CANNOT PLAY ANY 4/4 TO SAVE MY LIFE. It's crazy! My brain wants the freedom of syncopation etc. ARGH!
@@dumpygoodness4086 I remember learning odd time not too long ago. The stuff is so awesome. Especially when you start alternating time signatures with yourself. Awesome stuff.
I love these clips. I binge watch them over and over because there is so much subtle content in them that is hilarious and informative. Thank you for sharing with us!
You can't beat good old fashioned counting. Dream Theatre? Yes were playing different time signatures back in the 60's but then they did have one of the greatest drummers of all time Mr Bill Bruford. That definitely helped.
Best thing I teach students that actually should be playing an instrument is that hits off some off your points is counting,if you can count to 37'than what's the problem...it's about theory and pulse...so after they truly know what a whole note and a whole note rest is then we talk about the grid...not to sound like a know it all,bottom line what's the definition of a time signature? Top number is,number of counts fact, bottom number(here's the theory) pulse...it takes experience to define what the bottom number is but it puts you in range...as for foundation most drummers are taught wrong from day one...because they are not taught 2 things 1 rests are in equal in value as notes and 2 note duration....great job your vids are extremely informative and you are a true educational teacher and a great player
This reminded me of good odd timing songs I discovered in the 90's by Sting (Seven Days, I Hung My Head, I was brought to my senses), DMB (The Stone, The Dreaming Tree), Soundgarden (Fell on black days, spoonman, my wave). Thanks for sharing these tips!
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE. my dude, you have the gift, keep it passing on and on and... yeah before copyright laws get me for the lyrics I am singing in the comment, keep on swinging in the somewhat free world chief dude
You're an incredible contributor into helping drumming new-blood picking up the ropes of multi-time signature Harry. During my half a century, plus, of performing, creating and teaching arts, there are not many times that I'm coming across educators that are charismatic in simplifying complex aspects of rudimentary issues and certainly you have what it takes Harry. I see very much of Mike Portnoy in you, I hope this is a compliment dude 🎶🥁😉.
Dude, your the coolest, and the only person I can actually understand breaking down Rythems and time signatures. Thank you for making the best drum videos on TH-cam.
I use a combination of Mike Mangini's method and Mike Portnoy's method. Portnoy suggests breaking down big numbers into smaller numbers using simple arithmetic; however because there are always different ways of achieving the same answer, you use different methods to get to the desired time signature depending on the feel of the song and how natural you want it to sound. For example say I have a part in 15/8, I could make it feel natural by use of a bar of 12/8 (felt like a double length bar of 6/8) and then a measure of 3/8 added to the end. (I prefer using a jazz waltz feel for the 3/8 just so I can distinguish between the 12 and the 3), or unnatural by reaching 15 by using one bar of 7, and two bars of 4. Or again by using 7, 3, and 5. I see Portnoy's as being a tad bit more in depth as Mangini's because once you get into bigger numbers (into to teens 20s and 30s) you can only really feel the passes of 123 in triplets as you demonstrated in the section of 23. You could play that straight but it would be counter-intuitive to me at least. I use Mangini's as a fail-safe to Portnoy's. In a scenario when you don't have time to do calculations on top of the calculations you may be already doing (for example sight-reading a song or learning a new song that someone wrote in a band situation). If its not the right feel for the song then oh well you'll have time to do some calculations and make it right.
"I guarantee that you will get fired if you try this out on a club gig but you'll totally be on your way to shredding entire Rush albums if you look into this stuff"...too funny! Your fluidity and ease on the kit is so inspiring!!
New drummer here and I'm struggling to set my kit up perfectly for my body and brain. I'm odd because I'm right handed but skateboard goofy/ left footed. The high hat to the right definitely seems to make sense to me.
I learned how to play Tom Sawyer by Rush in high school. 6 years later I'm only now learning it's in 7/8. Guess I just felt the beat and said screw counting
"I have small resentments against each one of you" made me an "Instant Fan" today, and now I have learned something also! WTF is this geniusery...geniusry...geniusiery...Dude?
Great video man!! (Dude) Also, a good older song (that helped me with odd time on both drums and guitar) is Dig a Pony by the Beatles. I can't remember if the entire song is 5/4, but it still helped me SO much. Either that, or try to figure out what time signature Meshuggah is playing in 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
IMHO, the great thing about Rush, as opposed to (say) Dream Theater, is that their use of odd time signatures tends to be more musical and tasteful. Try "Leave That Thing Alone" for a great example, where Neil swings like the proverbial mother---- in the middle section, lays a totally straight beat under the guitar solo for contrast, before smoothly taking it home through a few tasteful odd changes. The sheer musicality puts a smile on my dial every time.
Harry Selby you need to listen to some music that uses odd time signatures. For 7, I recommend some Genesis: the cinema show (best melody ever), back in nyc, dance on a volcano, etc.
@@djentrification1631 According to some teachers on youtube, syncopation means non ordinary, complex and hard rhythm for the listener to follow. What you described is more of a polymeter i think. I think integrating odd times in 4/4 is harder than playing just plain odd times. Check the band "Meshuggah" if you havent . Its the perfect example of this.
Rules for finding what to do for a living. 1) Watch this dude play the drums. 2) Find something that makes you make the faces he makes while clearly enjoying the hell out of playing the drums. 3) Done
Concerning the part at 4:08, I've been kind of waiting for this. It restricts creativity, always marking the "1" of every bar with an accent. And now I'm trying to find out how to break away from this intrinsic motivation of marking bars. Basically, extending the accent on every two bars, to an accent on every four bars, to eight, to sixteen... to infinity.... I want to become the Zen Master of accentlessness. Making people forget the existence of bars and accents. Fluid music, with no emotional beginning or ending. But then again, whatevs.
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I played 7/8 like ten minuets straight then did a regular 4/4 song and 4/4 suddenly felt weird and awkward.
There was a time where I did 5/4 so, I had to count 4/4 again. 5/4 is my favorite time signature.
7/8 has great flow when you think of it as a bar of 3 and then a bar of 4 or vise versa
@@jan_Travis I GREW UP listening to Cobham, Carl Palmer, MAGMa, and the rest... so when I finally got my first drum kit (this summer)... i instantly could play insane time sigs... but CANNOT PLAY ANY 4/4 TO SAVE MY LIFE. It's crazy! My brain wants the freedom of syncopation etc. ARGH!
@@dumpygoodness4086 I remember learning odd time not too long ago. The stuff is so awesome. Especially when you start alternating time signatures with yourself. Awesome stuff.
I like it when a 7/8 tune is played in 4/4 so it goes in and out, if you know what I mean.
canturgan boy do i have a band for you. If you havnt already heard of them, Meshuggah does this in every song and it's fuckig awesome
Daniel Villalobos I thought he was talking about Polymeters, but that too.
It's usually a 7/16 or 7/8 tune overlaid by 7/4. E.g. Sound of Muzak by Porcupine Tree, where it's 7/4 over 7/16
Damn, you were RIPPIN that 7/8.
2:24 that splash stack stand thing is awesome
It should be referred to as "The Splash Zone."
Very educating and entertaining. I dig your drumming too. It's one thing to explain, quite another to play it. Thanks for sharing.
The simplest way for me to feel a 7/8 rhythm is the bass line in pink floyd' Money.And what a great use of that time signature it is
simonsteamyhead Money isn’t in 7/8, it’s in 7/4
I always thought Money was 5/4. My mistake apparently
#2
Listen to the Hits!:
7/8: **TOM SAWYER INTENSIFIES**
I swear, tom sawyer is the hardest song I've tried playing 😂
"Like Beethoven and dream theatre " 😹
🐺👅
Whats that song when he says that
Filip it’s almost sounds like it could be Dave Matthews to me but I’m not 100% sure
Love that cool Christmas tree 🎄 of splash cymbals up front .
I love these clips. I binge watch them over and over because there is so much subtle content in them that is hilarious and informative. Thank you for sharing with us!
Sting's "Ten Summoner's Tales" was my introduction to odd time. Vinnie Colaiuta groovin' in 5/4 and 7/8 :)
If I can't be as good as you, I hope I can at least be as humble and easy-going
I find it quite easy to be humble, easy-going, and suck at drums, all at the same time.
I love odd time signatures. It feels like a brain workout as well as a way to spark creativity. I particularly like 7/8 for some reason.
You can't beat good old fashioned counting. Dream Theatre? Yes were playing different time signatures back in the 60's but then they did have one of the greatest drummers of all time Mr Bill Bruford. That definitely helped.
I’ve never come across a drum instructional more spot on with exactly how I understand to play in odd times.
I appreciate your pedagogy. Thanks.
Best thing I teach students that actually should be playing an instrument is that hits off some off your points is counting,if you can count to 37'than what's the problem...it's about theory and pulse...so after they truly know what a whole note and a whole note rest is then we talk about the grid...not to sound like a know it all,bottom line what's the definition of a time signature? Top number is,number of counts fact, bottom number(here's the theory) pulse...it takes experience to define what the bottom number is but it puts you in range...as for foundation most drummers are taught wrong from day one...because they are not taught 2 things 1 rests are in equal in value as notes and 2 note duration....great job your vids are extremely informative and you are a true educational teacher and a great player
YES WHAT MRROB81-7-U2 SAID, SORRY ODD STROKE SIG. PERHAPS A REST?
My teacher said it Like this: the top number is how many of the bottom number there are in each bar.
Jim Carrey on drums
You misspelled drugs. ;)
hahaha
maybe i should change my set similar to yours? but are you left handed or both? i'm right. thanx
you mean Danny
mateush998 If Jim Carey banged Ryan Reynolds...
This reminded me of good odd timing songs I discovered in the 90's by Sting (Seven Days, I Hung My Head, I was brought to my senses), DMB (The Stone, The Dreaming Tree), Soundgarden (Fell on black days, spoonman, my wave). Thanks for sharing these tips!
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE. my dude, you have the gift, keep it passing on and on and... yeah before copyright laws get me for the lyrics I am singing in the comment, keep on swinging in the somewhat free world chief dude
1:34 holy crap im listening to the radio and that song came on as you started drumming
You're an incredible contributor into helping drumming new-blood picking up the ropes of multi-time signature Harry. During my half a century, plus, of performing, creating and teaching arts, there are not many times that I'm coming across educators that are charismatic in simplifying complex aspects of rudimentary issues and certainly you have what it takes Harry. I see very much of Mike Portnoy in you, I hope this is a compliment dude 🎶🥁😉.
using the bell on the ride trick really helped me out, thanks dude
Dude, your the coolest, and the only person I can actually understand breaking down Rythems and time signatures. Thank you for making the best drum videos on TH-cam.
this is the youtube channel i've been looking for
I use a combination of Mike Mangini's method and Mike Portnoy's method. Portnoy suggests breaking down big numbers into smaller numbers using simple arithmetic; however because there are always different ways of achieving the same answer, you use different methods to get to the desired time signature depending on the feel of the song and how natural you want it to sound. For example say I have a part in 15/8, I could make it feel natural by use of a bar of 12/8 (felt like a double length bar of 6/8) and then a measure of 3/8 added to the end. (I prefer using a jazz waltz feel for the 3/8 just so I can distinguish between the 12 and the 3), or unnatural by reaching 15 by using one bar of 7, and two bars of 4. Or again by using 7, 3, and 5. I see Portnoy's as being a tad bit more in depth as Mangini's because once you get into bigger numbers (into to teens 20s and 30s) you can only really feel the passes of 123 in triplets as you demonstrated in the section of 23. You could play that straight but it would be counter-intuitive to me at least. I use Mangini's as a fail-safe to Portnoy's. In a scenario when you don't have time to do calculations on top of the calculations you may be already doing (for example sight-reading a song or learning a new song that someone wrote in a band situation). If its not the right feel for the song then oh well you'll have time to do some calculations and make it right.
IV Tympanistam 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
"I guarantee that you will get fired if you try this out on a club gig but you'll totally be on your way to shredding entire Rush albums if you look into this stuff"...too funny! Your fluidity and ease on the kit is so inspiring!!
best drum video ever. i can't seem to find your video of why you set your drums backword. i saw it once.
Totally inspiring!!! I'll never be able to play at your level, but at least you've given me a glimpse...
Well done!!!
damn this guy is good!
I don’t know anything about what you said, but I’m still interested to learn. Really great vid!
#4... That happened to me.
Been lost for years now without her.
Thanks Harry.
yea......well....
he can play
Love the the left handed kit set up!
Nice little run through. Definitely learned a thing or two, thanks bud!
what sorta odd ball drum setup is that dude my brain hurts just looking at it, and yet you play amazing DUDE !
your drumming faces give me so much joy
Dude you’re an absolute legend !!!!! My son is coming into the age of understanding and this is so helpful
Just found your channel the other day! I love the content and all the help that you bring to new drummers!
Dude thats one of the best odd times sigs video ive seen! Thanks man
Those beats were definitely bad azz! I'm enjoying your sense of humor along with your incredible talent on the drums! :)
You are exactly what I thought of when I thought "drummer". I'm more happy rn then ever
New drummer here and I'm struggling to set my kit up perfectly for my body and brain. I'm odd because I'm right handed but skateboard goofy/ left footed. The high hat to the right definitely seems to make sense to me.
I honestly like the more subtle uses of odd time signatures. Like turn it on again by genesis.
I learned how to play Tom Sawyer by Rush in high school. 6 years later I'm only now learning it's in 7/8. Guess I just felt the beat and said screw counting
Dude, you are an outstanding teacher. Keep the good job.
Getting used to starting phrases with your non-dominant hand is also useful!
Thanks for sharing this great lesson with us Harry, you're a really inspirational player!
I love how he played that Radiohead song
Dude, you produce really good content holy shit..thanks.
Dude... you have the best drum faces!
Try playing Dirty Second Hands by switchfoot
Subscribed for your stage faces
Man you're a great drummer! Sweet chops!!!
This is class!! I'm gonna run off and set my metro. to 7/8 immediately!!
Daamn, that last part was sick!
Harry, I love your style.
Very good explanation. Thank you!
"I have small resentments against each one of you" made me an "Instant Fan" today, and now I have learned something also! WTF is this geniusery...geniusry...geniusiery...Dude?
Dude, you're absolutely brilliant !!! Congrats! You rock !!!
glad you put "Rush" in there :)
This was great! Most helpful vid I found so far, thanks man! Keep up the kick-ass playing.
Dude
Great little lesson
Thanks for sharing
Hah fantastic. Great information, straight to the point, and I dig your style man!
Great lesson! You are one of my favorite drum teachers!!!!
Great Lesson... You are a gifted player.
"Two Steps from Hell: United We Stand - Divided We Fall" is great example of odd time signature
nice grooves... good to listening
happy fifth birthday to the gem. keep doing you, harry.
Pink Floyd is in 7/8 AND 4/4 time. I was soooo hoping you were going to use them as an example. I LOVE Your videos DUDE!!!
Now I know who you remind me of. A cooler Jim Halpert. I realized it when you held up the pic of Pam.
Great video and love the fun approach -
So annoying that rolands topline kit wont do 11/8 or 11/4 click! Our main writer is always accidentaly writing 11 and 13. love your work as per usual!
Great video man!! (Dude) Also, a good older song (that helped me with odd time on both drums and guitar) is Dig a Pony by the Beatles. I can't remember if the entire song is 5/4, but it still helped me SO much. Either that, or try to figure out what time signature Meshuggah is playing in 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great video. I subscribed. Informative, funny, and a great musician. All good stuff man!
This is incredibly helpful! Thank you so much!!
IMHO, the great thing about Rush, as opposed to (say) Dream Theater, is that their use of odd time signatures tends to be more musical and tasteful. Try "Leave That Thing Alone" for a great example, where Neil swings like the proverbial mother---- in the middle section, lays a totally straight beat under the guitar solo for contrast, before smoothly taking it home through a few tasteful odd changes. The sheer musicality puts a smile on my dial every time.
Oh my gosh, this was amazing! You play very well and I look up to that. Thank you for these tips, they'll help me do more with my drumming:)
it hurts my mind to even begin to think about how odd timing works and how i cant hear it
Harry Selby played percussion for two years and I'm the same way
Harry Selby you need to listen to some music that uses odd time signatures. For 7, I recommend some Genesis: the cinema show (best melody ever), back in nyc, dance on a volcano, etc.
Its tough at first but it gets easier. Then you start playing odd times in a 4/4 situation so it grooves. Its fun.
@@matenorth Isn't that technically just Syncopation though? Giving the illusion of an odd time in a 4/4 situation.
@@djentrification1631 According to some teachers on youtube, syncopation means non ordinary, complex and hard rhythm for the listener to follow. What you described is more of a polymeter i think. I think integrating odd times in 4/4 is harder than playing just plain odd times. Check the band "Meshuggah" if you havent . Its the perfect example of this.
Delicious pop in odd times? Sting Ten Summoners Tales with the lovely and talented Vinnie
Great video. Thanks for the explaining this well.
Thanks so much man! I was looking for a video like this for so long :D
Kinda wish you'd done a count in on those musical examples in the beginning!
Great job you make drumming fun and you have amazing dance moves....you are a tremendous player and love your vids
Rules for finding what to do for a living.
1) Watch this dude play the drums.
2) Find something that makes you make the faces he makes while clearly enjoying the hell out of playing the drums.
3) Done
4:02 I need to know this filll!!!!
Great tips, thanks
Dude. Your toms are 🔥
Super helpful! Thank you!
Thanks. This was very helpful.
Concerning the part at 4:08, I've been kind of waiting for this. It restricts creativity, always marking the "1" of every bar with an accent. And now I'm trying to find out how to break away from this intrinsic motivation of marking bars.
Basically, extending the accent on every two bars, to an accent on every four bars, to eight, to sixteen... to infinity....
I want to become the Zen Master of accentlessness. Making people forget the existence of bars and accents. Fluid music, with no emotional beginning or ending.
But then again, whatevs.
wtf am I doin here? I barely know what a snare is
Elchinodiabolero gotta start somewhere!
Now you know what odd time is, so cool
Don’t worry, we all feel the same way...😂😂
This made me chuckle. I feel like that too sometimes. 😂🤣
Why am I just finding this channel?
Dude, love your vids, good drumming, great tips Dude!
was hoping to find Radiohead, not disappointed
Goddamn man, you're a beast! Nice groove
thom yorke is a master dancer to odd signatures
I love the Christmas tree 🎄 of splash cymbals
This helped me a great deal..thanks man.
Really cool video, very helpful
Really like your channel.