UPDATE: I’m aware of the rumors that the ride may open this weekend. All I can tell you is that it WILL NOT open tomorrow 5/17 as crews have already been scheduled elsewhere. Will have another video soon.
Either they had a bunch of extra parts laying around “just in case” or the mechanics in The Amazement Shop pulled off some hocus-pocus and managed to patch something together
@@TheRealKrashKoursedo you know when that is going to be reopened like I don't want to wait until July because I'm going next month with my nephews to cedar point and we were going to ride top thrill 2
They won't. MAYBE they'll have something for next year. Maybe. Or maybe this is just the way it's gonna be. There is no place to put lockers inside the queue. The last part of the queue is a single line that is pretty long, and fast lane is one single queue that goes all the way to the station. If CP puts ANOTHER STUPID merge point that puts fast lane in the regular line, that's a half an hour before you get to the platform, they need to reduce the price of their fast lane. It's already RIDICULOUS at Millie, and Vengeance. They charge $1,000 for their all season fast lane, and upwards of $200 for a daily FL. Having the people who paid a whole lot of money to skip the line, merge into the regular line is asinine. They RUINED Vengeance's fast lane when they put the lockers in, and they should fix it by having fast lane go in the left side through the metal detectors, which is the way it used to be. Fast lane queues should NEVER merge into the regular line unless it's at the station. CP fast lane is BS. How is it that every other cedar fair park I go to, KI KD Carowinds, all have a ZERO minute wait for fast lane, and yet, if I want to ride Millie, or Vengeance I have to not only wait to merge into the regular line, sometimes up to 45 minutes before you merge into the regular queue, and then you have another half hour before you get to the station. Hell, even on the rides that do go straight up to the station, like Maverick, the fast lane wait is sometimes as long as 40 minutes. And don't say it's because they sell so many fast lanes. KI sells just as many, if not more because they are way cheaper. I have never waited longer than 10 minutes at KI. Most of the time the wait is 1 or 2 trains max.
If the trains are being modified, they need to be redesigned, that's months of R&D. A good indicator of how it's affecting the park is Hotel Breaker's occupancy, and them sending out multiple mass marketing emails. Food for thought!
@thee_jpp lots of cancelations, as would be imagined, also they are sending out lots of marketing via emails. At a time when their crown jewel just flopped
@@KICoasterGuy Yup! I can’t believe it either. I got a second row ride, and while the experience was definitely rattly, I could look past it. Such a fun ride, that airtime over the top hat caught me off guard! Hoping it reopens with a smooth but otherwise identical ride experience.
Same here, I got it opening day. Planning on going back to CP at the end of the month and obviously won't be able to ride it then. Glad I got this incredible ride when I did
My brother lives in Port Clinton and hangs at a bar that some of the cedar point staff hang out in. He said some of the staff were told that bogies were showing signs of premature stress. They noticed it during the media openings and the initial few days of operation but were waiting to see if it would settle in or get worse. Apparently, they got worse.
Also, the ride ops guys that my brother spoke to said there was ZERO chance it opens “anytime soon”. Something to do with redoing the guide wheel tension assembly and housing. What a stunning engineering blunder. I really hope I’m wrong 🙈.
,ttd/2ron4695/46 here, Just look at the wheel bogies [compared to Fury's Flight ones-note look more substantial ¬e the vertical ribs] !! TT2's need to be more beefy &/or stronger alloy's. Rode on its last monday the center rear #6 Silver then black; Siv was jerky/rough but the black was quite smooth running!! So whatever going on it was progressive!
My luck is TRULY INCREDIBLE! I haven’t been to CP since 2003. A few yrs ago I finally planned a trip back, only to be greeted with the new of Dragster closing, so I didn’t book my ticket. Heard that they were redoing it, told myself I will go when they finish. They finish, I book my plane tix, and hotel for middle of June excited to finally ride it again. CLOSED INDEFINITELY. I can’t win….
My deepest condolences. I can't go back to Cedar Point until late August at the earliest and was greatly disappointed by the fact that the ride was closed when I went last weekend. I can't imagine how much more disappointed you must be.
First time for both cedar point and the USA for me. Chose June hoping that any issues would be ironed out by then… no possibility to change my schedule anymore so I guess I just have to hope for the best.
@@kuich I’m really sorry man. I hope they get it running for the both of us. Luckily I can change to august if need be What time in June you coming? Also welcome to USA! Will be my first cedar point trip as well. I have never ridden Millie, but I can tell you a Giga coaster will BLOW your mind. My home park is Carowinds so I get to enjoy fury 325. Best drop I’ve experienced by far
@@MrCrash-hz8xy NO. It's Steel Curtain is the most hateful coaster on planet earth. It hates coaster enthusiasts who want that credit. That ride has been so elusive to get the credit for, it took me until last year to finally get it, during ERT at a coaster club event. It also went down while we were doing a backstage tour of it.😂😂
@@djkingarthur1079Intamin’s newer coasters do seem to be better designed and more reliable, but you might want to ask Universal Orlando how happy they were to have to install garden sprinklers to cool the wheels on VelociCoaster trains shortly after it opened because Intamin continues to have issues with the wheel compounds they use. I’m sure the garden sprinklers UO installed were an additional expense to an already very costly ride that they greeted with smiles and cookies.
I have a feeling the wheels are the main issue causing this entire ride to shut down, but it's more than just wear and tear. Normally, if coaster wheels are wearing down faster than intended the manufacturer will just send out extra wheels as a "sorry" and work on the new wheels while the ride chews through the old ones. Once they find the solution, the ride uses the new wheels and the ride is good to go. Notice though, the rides that have this happen never shut down, which means the wheels on this ride were causing something catastrophically wrong if they need to shut down the coaster. What I honestly believe, is that the entire wheel assembly may have been incredibly stressed on this coaster. This could have caused permanent deformation on the wheels and wheel carriages, leading to the shuffle you feel on the coaster, but more importantly setting the ride out of line with the lsm stators. Two major accidents might have been prevented by shutting down, and I think those two possible accidents are why no one is saying what the real issue is. But from what I can gather, it sounds like both these plausible accidents could have lead to more flying shrapnel than the original incident that even lead to this coaster being built. It is a good thing they caught this, as one little incident where no one gets hurt could damage this ride's reputation irreparably, and damage the park's reputation permanently for allowing multiple accidents on the same coaster, let alone if anyone was to get hurt again.
I was very disappointed when I heard the news about Zamperla reimaging Top Thrill 2. Cedar Fair should have Shaken Hands with Intamin, renewed their partnership and let them reimagine Top Thrill Dragster. I TRULY seen this coming. Oh Well??
I don't think it's the wheels, I think it's the yoke coupling that connect the cars together. The assembly is all aluminum with aluminum pins, like the rest of the train.. I don't think aluminum pins have ever been used before, or at least not for something that sees excessive forces. Typicially they are solid steel pins in steel sleeve bearings. Seeing how the trains whip over the top hat, it's probably more repetitive force than they can handle. The wheels to me, look way over engineered.. and yes, I am an engineer that works with aluminum.
The first test runs were in January or February I believe, but test runs are not the same as running the ride when the park is open. People are a whole lot different than water dummies. This stuff happens with prototypes. Millie was literally melting her wheels, and somehow so was I-305 until Intamin changed the wheel compounds.
@@Sawyersaviation I'm not saying it's right. I'm only saying that the trains had more weight on them, and were cycled a whole lot more than they were during winter testing. They took the best people from the Maverick, and Vengeance crews to run tt2, and they were flying, sending the trains out as soon as the tophat was cleared. I am in NO way sticking up for CP, or Zamperla. (CP is my home park, but I like KI, and KD better)
@@Sawyersaviation This sounds like a fatigue-based issue and it will only become apparent once ride parts reach the end of their useful life. These parts were intended to last a lot longer than they did, but they also lasted a lot longer that the test-and-adjust and certification/inspection period. There is no way this kind of issue could have been discovered any sooner.
A lot of people are pissed about TT2 closing, and while I was in that camp myself, I've come to appreciate this closure. If there's something wrong with the trains that makes them think they need to close the ride and do maintenance on it, I'd rather they do it now than wait for catastrophe to strike. Yes, it royally sucks that it's closed. Yes, people are disappointed. But think of this: worst case scenario (and purely hypothetical; don't get caught up in this), the modification they're making has to do with either the restraints or the train's attachment points to the trucks. Not a big deal the first two launches, but the snap rolls and the ejector airtime on the original tower could have ejected people from the train (or ejected the train itself) at 200 feet up or more. And falling from 20 stories is nearly universally fatal. So I ask you this: do you want to live, or do you want to ride something that could potentially kill you? CP is without contest making the right decision here. Said by someone who works in an extremely safety-conscious industry where even a slight misstep can kill 80 people or more
I think will definitely affect not only the relationship with CF and zamperla. But itll also affect kingda kas chance of getting the same treatment. At this point the only way to keep Zamperla and CF in good terms is for Zamperla to basically work around the clock to show to them that they are trying to fix the issue as quick of possible or to lower the repair costs that it would normally be. Like how arrow did to KI woth vortex after the failure of the original bat
Nah. Counting all their flats, Cedar Fair has WAY too many Zamperlas to let their relationship sour. When Cedar Fair purchased TT2 from Zamperla, it was very clear that they had bought a deeply discounted prototype ride. Issues like this are to be expected. Zamperla is on-site and working hard on a fix that will be at no additional cost to Cedar Point. TT2 will reopen safely. All will be well.
Absolutely not. Unless it doesn't open until next year. Then MAYBE. But they better not screw the fast lane line up like they did with Vengeance. That is actually unacceptable, to charge such exorbitant amounts for their fast lane, and yet you merge with the regular line 30 minutes before you get to the station.😠 And that's AFTER you wait about 10-45 mins before the person who you can swear hates fast lane people let's you into the regular line. Opening day the chick doing the merge at Vengeance was letting 4-6 fast lane people in, and then about 35 regular line people. It's total BS. If you're gonna make us merge into the regular line 30 mins out, you need to get us into that regular line as soon as we walk up.
the trains are a lot higher off the track than the original ones which messes up the heartline. people have been saying that the downward twist especially if you are seated on the left side of the train is downright violent because of the heartline being off. if riders are feeling it, I don't think it's crazy to say that the trains could have issues with the stress. I heard on a podcast today that it's the wheel bogies. maybe they need to put smaller road wheels on and get the heartline closer to the track. all that being said, why didn't the issues show up in the testing before the opening? everyone remembers that Maverick's heart line roll was eliminated because it put too much stress on the trains but they caught that in the testing phase. I hope they get this figured out . I am rooting for Zamperla
On the Maverick heartline, @dindog22, you might be right with train stress', but it was also when the 1st test riders took the heartline, they determined too stressful on the riders!! [think they only took couple rides to determine that]. I saw it test running through heartline & thought it looked to track thru it A-Ok!
Wow I'm so glad I didn't get my Coaster Mania tickets this year! Last time we were there was Coaster Mania 2003. Still have the button featuring Top Thrill Dragster, which did not open at all during the event! This was going to be the second time I followed the construction of this ride only to be disappointed again! Not sure our Cedar Point enthusiasm could have recovered from that. It's an expensive and time consuming trip for us! It's much easier to get to Kings Island from where we are. That's our favorite park anyway! Hopefully next year they will get the kinks out of this very problematic coaster!
Hell.... CP is my home park, and I find myself wanting to go to KI which is 4 hours away for us, and CP is about an hour and a half. I mean.... we are going down to KI this weekend for the ACE event. I love KI.
Bet it has something to do with the wheels/tires. I saw a close up video (off ride) and it looked as if the larger wheels above the track did not line up with the track itself as the train left the station. Maybe they need a wheel with a recess down the middle to prevent that issue? Just a guess.
You should watch Ryan the Ride Mechanics video on wheels. It's actually understandable. They don't point the wheels perfectly straight on purpose. They actually do have a little toe-out in them to keep the trains from hunting back and forth on the track.
I don’t feel bad for them they chose to go with another manufacturer who claimed the trains would be more reliable. Say what you want about Intamin but I don’t recall the trains needing completely redone after it opened in 2003 and all the way up until it closed. If it’s down all season hopefully season pass holders sue like they are doing to Kennywood over Steel Curtain.
I love Intamin, but the trains were heavily modified before the ride opened in both 2003 AND 2004. 2003 saw the removal of one car from each train, shortening them to 4 cars for a total of 12 seats and 2004 saw the addition of the fifth car and the removal of the theming elements to add the 9th row of seats for a total of 18 riders.
Why would you feel bad? They went with a manufacturer that doesn’t know the ride nor has a record of producing a ride of such magnitude. CP did the wrong thing by going with anyone but Intamin.
If it’s down for the whole season…….that would be devastating. Idk how you could spin that to be a positive for the park. Praying for the best, really wanna experience this. 🙏🏼
I mean.... its good and all, but it's still #4 in the park. Maybe even #5 behind Raptor too. It's definitely not the only reason to go to CP. You'll still have a great day, riding the other world class coasters.
@@joeskis &@spike-sk-7ql I got 46 times / 30 hrs in park [Charity & preview included (11 X's)].[also FL+]. my #1 TT2 was my 4650th TT ride!- Rode it over 24hrs. too. TTD/2Ron4695/46 are TT2s
I drove in from Chicago last weekend to ride tt2. Day 1: it appears closed for wind, fine. Day 2: announcement of extended closure. I felt utterly sick with disappointment and left the park early. I can’t help but blame cedar point for wanting to go with low-budget Zamperla to give a metaphorical middle finger to intamin.
This is what I was worried about. If they had to shut it down after just 2 weeks they might have noticed a problem with the way it was designed that isn't going to be a quick or easy fix.
Nope. MAYBE next year, and they better not screw the fast lane people like they did at Vengeance!!! It's unacceptable that they charge $1,000 for all season, and upwards of $200 for single day fast lane, and the top rides in the park merge fast lane into the regular line 30-40 minutes before you get to the station. If they do screw us, they need to lower the price of fast lane. Especially when they seem to be training the merge point people to let 4-6 fast lane people, and 35 regular line people into the regular line. How is it that at KI, KD, and Carowinds I wait a train or 2 to get on the ride, but at CP, for their top rides (we'll, not Maverick) you merge into the regular line so far back,.????? It is really BS, and should NEVER happen.
Damn, that's how long y'all waited???? I rode 8 times on media day, once on passholder preview, 7 times opening day, and 15 tines on Sunday of opening weekend. Fast lane was dang near a walk on Sunday, and when I went to the ride on opening day, it was only about 15 mins. Once it was 30 mins. But 3 hours??? Dang man, I remember waiting 3-4 hours for Millie back in 2000, but CP had a DJ in the line to keep us entertained while waiting.
I’m curious why these problems weren’t noticed before opening. It’s not like they weren’t heavily testing this previously. You would think something would have at least started to show up.
@@Spike-sk7ql People should not be a different quantity in this case. It’s just weight. As to the other, that’s on them if they were not testing it as if it was a weeks worth of operations for a 120mph ride considering it’s a company who had never done that before with new trains no less. Foolhardy at best.
@@gregg5958 They did PLENTY of testing. Parts failed prematurely, but not quick enough to become an issue during testing. That's pretty common of any prototype mechanical system.
@@breemik08 yes like my rides (last Mon. oper) on center rear seat (#6), --first on SILver train where the ride was quite rough/jerky (probably worse seat of all; rode that day 27times so had many seats/train colors). Then rode same #6 on BLack train where ride was QUITE SMOOTH!!! hence problem(s) were progressive. Told both TT2 Supervisor & 2 Zamperla persons to have maintenance do detailed look at that wheelset. TTD/2Ron4695/46(were tt2)
@@Spike-sk7ql @gregg5958; As an 'expert' on coasters relayed to me, equal weighted water dummies EVENLY DISTRIBUTED during testing runs are one thing, where as randomly distributed persons of differing weights might cause things showing up on not up to snuff designed items, like wheel bogies--just look at them, looks minimal*metal was used (on the horiz. connecting the wheels )(vertical to the other wheels) !! Get pic of Falcon's Flight , more massive & note vertical ribs for strengthening!! TT2's might even need be made of different alloys. ttd/2ron4695/46(are tt2's).
I have a question guys. I appreciate your opinion on this. I have been to Cedar Point and have enjoyed Cedar Point for some time. Maverick being one of my favorites as well as Top Thrill. Looking forward to riding Top Thrill 2 one day. My home Cedar Fair park is Kings Dominion but I feel like giving Kings Dominion a break this year in regards to Season Pass as there is nothing new until 2025. I enjoy Busch Gardens which is an hour from Kings Dominion. I want to go to Cedar Point but there is a chance that Top Thrill 2 will not open again this year so would you recommend me get a ticket to Cedar Point instead of a Season Pass to Cedar Point. or would you tell me to do a wait and see approach with Cedar Point's Top Thrill 2. Let me know Thank you.
Why not just get the platinum pass, or "AlL PaRkS PaSsPoRt" and go to KD, KI, Carowinds, AND CP??? You've got I-305 in your back yard, and don't want to get a pass???? Bruhhhhhh? I'll be down to KD sometime this summer, and most definitely for Haunt. Also, KD was our favorite park last year. Y'all don't know how good yall got it down there. CP is my home park, and I find myself wanting to go to KI more and more each year. Putting up with CP BS lately has become tiring. Ever since they moved corporate from the peninsula to Charlotte, things have been slowly going downhill at CP. Making cutbacks, but posting record profits? I kind of don't like what's been going on lately. No frontier festival this year, and Hallowekends budget cutbacks to the tune of $300k? Seriously????
Cedar fair should have used intamin again as the manufacturer for this project. The scale was just to big for Zamperla's experience in my opinion. Intamin has come a long way quality and reliability wise from the time the first top thrill/kingda ka models were designed and erected. Priemier would have also been a better manufacturer for the project as well. Might be wrong but i think this Frankenstein of a ride is going to be a headache for years to come and wouldn't be surprised if cedar fair gets rid of it a few seasons down the road. Only time will tell.
@@cody_t Honestly, they could probably just retrofit the old trains which are probably still in storage for spare parts, but seeing how they were 50% of why TT2 came into being, I doubt that would ever happen.
Nothing against Zamperla. They had an opportunity to make a beloved ride more reliable and I fully embrace that. I blame CP for allowing a predominantly flat ride company to remake such a classic ride.
@@chriskay1449intamin has made a huge comeback though. Intamin atleast pushes limits of what things can be done. Without them we wouldn’t have a ride for Zamperla to F up
@@chriskay1449 Is he wrong though? And Intamin isn't the reason the ride had the accident either. Last time I checked, a Swiss company can not do the morning inspections on the ride, and leave one flagplate bolt loose, and the other one completely gone.
It’s being reported… that the wheel assembly is cracking… which I can believe because I don’t think even though they look amazing the trains were designed from the ground up to be doing 120 mph day in and out
@@KICoasterGuy this is make or break for ZAM. Because it takes nothing to get on Cedar fairs list of do not work with anymore and they don’t care how many titles you have given them in the past just aske RMC and INTAMIN
Gosh!, can’t believe how everyone is moaning….isn’t safety paramount? Isn’t it good that nobody was hurt? And that this was picked up so quickly? I think it will open when it’s safe and not before………. The park has so many other good rides .
The point is that cp is marketing this ride, and every time a new ride is built, ticket prices increase along with merchandise to gain back the cost of the ride. Well, if said ride is ALREADY having mechanical issues, we as cp guests and money spenders have a right to be upset..EVEN if it means putting safety first..which they should. Both can exist at the same time. Why wasn't this "modification caught during pre opening testing? They've had 2 years to get this right.
@@chriskay1449That was back when Intamin was inexperienced with a ride like Top Thrill Dragster considering it was their first time doing such a ride. You completely ignore the fact that Intamin has become far more experienced and capable of building such coasters since then (Kingdaka, Red Force, etc) and also has a crap ton of experience building coaster trains capable of handling such forces. The logical assumption based on their success with other LSM launch coasters and the proven reliability of them is that they are the much more capable company for handling a project on the scale of TT2. To bring up the failure of Dragster to somehow refute the point that Intamin would be less capable is a mute point because it implies that Intamin learned absolutely nothing from their failures. A point that falls short because Intamin has proved with successive coasters that they did indeed learn from their mistakes. It's clear that CP only really went with Zamperla to be as cheap as possible with TT2 not because Zamperla was somehow going to be more capable than a company with years more experience building ride models similar to TT2.
My thoughts exactly. This is what they get when they didn't want to pay Intamin to fix their own coaster and now this is a Frankenstein coaster, going with Zamperla to have new trains that have never been used or tested or anything. I personally won't ever ride this version, I'm just glad I got to ride the original.
@@1138gabe Intamin has their own problems. Part of the reason why Intamin is not involved is because Intamin does not like to take responsibility for their screw ups. They have never supported the hydraulic launch systems well. I have also heard that Intamin was terrible with Universal for Velocicoaster and Hagrid's. They want to blame anyone else for reliability issues. They have continued to have issues with Intamin on the coaster they have for Epic Universe. Reality is Intamin is a pain to work with that makes rides that are unreliable when they open and take time and money to make reliable. Zamperla is at least willing to work with parks and take responsibility. Intamin will take risks, but then blame. Intamin is a company many are starting to not want to deal with. I have heard Universal will not work with them again. I bet they are out of business in less than a decade, likely purchased by someone else. I believe Intamin coasters have also caused more injuries than any other brand. So why would you want to work with a company that is just not very good anymore?
I’m from 🇬🇧 I came sooooo close to booking flights on Thursday to come here in July. Need to take 2 planes to reach Ohio. So glad I didn’t as it would’ve been $700 down the drain as I last came in 2018 and there pretty much nothing new since then. Still the number 1 amusement park though and the 3rd best park in the world imo
@@chriskay1449 Exactly! Intamin took time to perfect the design and fabrication of reliable extreme roller coasters. Zamperla is just at the beginning of this learning process, and is more likely to make mistakes. By the way, I'm a trained engineer.
@@crazy4wavescoasters741 And the other thing is that when Intamin first built Top Thrill Dragster, they too were inexperienced, yet nobody complained about them being bad When TTD started having issues.
@@chriskay1449 When Intamin built TTD, there weren't other brand choices available to make a coaster that big , that fast and that powerful. Nowadays, there are...
@@chriskay1449 Intamin was inexperienced when they built dragster??? Is Millie just not a thing to you? How about the Superman rides at six flags parks? Or any of the tons of coasters they built before doing dragster? The launch engine was a bit finicky, but from what I understand, most of the downtime was because of one of the 128 prox sensors for the retractable brake fins on the track. Not the trains. I like how Zamperla did the retractable fins on this one though. Only one side pivots, and they all have beefy actuators to move them. 2 on each fin. Those won't get hung up like the first design, and cause a fault. You keep saying "all the problems with the original" but trains weren't the problem. Although they did have to take off the rear wing and wheels that made the trains look like a top fuel dragster. Maybe that's what you're talking about?
TT2 was a very rough ride. Very shaky side-to-side. It felt like it sits too high off the track. I like TTD better. Launch SFX and Ready to Go instead of generic music. Thinner seat backs and lap bar is a much freer feeling. You sit closer to the track. TT2 seats do accommodate more sizes. Wide open station. 120mph zip of the cable right out of the gate. Much smoother. For that matter Wicked Twister. TT2 has elements of both. I've called it Wicked Dragster all along. I wanted TT2 to twist & stall lol I rode TTD hundreds of times with a true rollback stalled from the top it feels like your back's going thru the seat gravity wants you out of it. I didn't feel the desire to ride TT2 that much. Paid lockers or not. I'd pay to ride TTD. You pay $20 + $20 video to ride SlingShot. $10 for Miniature Golf on a flat Main Arcade floor. $10 for the Mirror Maze. Think of it that way lol I'm glad TT2 was a hit. The trains look sharp. The line queue is nice. The Xmas tree lights look good. The 270 deg twist didn't feel too bad. The white track is bit blinding. The TT2 switch track was a Cheap Thrill fun element. (I'm going to upload a close-up sequence to go along with my web cam). Now if they put crazy spinning Wild Mouse Cheese car on TT2 I might feel different.
It would have been Top Thrill Dragster all over if inspections didn't catch this. If it was the chassis that was cracking, as with the wheels, this could have been fatal if not found. With that being said, I think we'll be lucky to see it by Halloween.
@@KICoasterGuy reddit , or it was an axl or something. I'm not an engineer and don't claim to be one, so take that how you will. I did hear there was tape or something on the lsms. If they were coming into contact with anything on the train physically, it could be deadly going at those speeds. Obviously all this is speculation. Although I have read these things from multiple people in the last few days, so it wasn't just one person saying it.
@@gyme6077there’s no way they would know that the trains were coming in contact with the LSM and not close it. People at the media preview event mentioned the tape as well
@3:11: why would you feel bad for a corporation as greedy as cedar fair? I say the responsibility falls solely on them trying to cut every possible corner.
Making cutbacks while posting record profits too. Halloweekends budget cuts, no frontier festival this year, Vengeance running with 2 trains both weekends this tear so far, Maverick running 5 trains which really sucks pulling back into the station NOT where you got on, I was surprised to see Millie running all 3 trains. Not sure what's going on, but they seem not ready to be open somehow. This NECER happened when corporate was able to look out the window, and see how the park was operating. Ever since the office moved to Charlotte from on the peninsula, things have been slowly going downhill, and they don't care.
Depends on how you define any time soon. July would not surprise me. What I have heard is there is an issue with the wheels and vibration that can impact various parts. It seems they need added dampening and some changes to prevent wear and tear on the trains. Not shocked as that is something simulations are terrible at
@FlyRick78 if they open in July that w8ll mean the ride was down for 2 months..right after being "new and improved." That's not a good look at all. Was ttd or maverick or millenium down for 2 months the first WEEK of its opening? No.
Ummm...yes. yes TTD did close for an extended period for this very reason. Train mods. If you already forgot, one of those massive tires they had on the back flew off and bounced down the midway. They had to reduce the weight of the trains as well. It just happened in a time before ppl bitched and moaned online ab everything.
Its really unfortunate for people like me who live in places like Seattle and have this ONE chance to ride a ride they've been hyping up since september. Guess ill just ride what i can and maybe see about some other summer. 😔
Hey man chin up. Be thankful you weren’t like me and already booked the plane and hotel. I’m currently seeing if I will be able to reschedule once we know something a little more concrete
The modifications or say major redesign of the train is not going to be a quick fix in my opinion. If you look at all other launch type coasters how many have had to close the ride within one week because of train problems and remove them for this. Even with the original dragster having problems from the start it was primarily the launch engine and sensors not the trains having to be pulled off, nothing personal to zamperla but Intamin has built many coasters which may have had problems but built some of the best on earth.
I went for my first time about a year ago and the original dragster was closed. I was super bummed, but this park is chalk full of EXCELLENT coasters including my favorite coaster ever, so don't be discouraged. You will have a full and excellent experience with or without top thrill.
@@Alex-eo7mynot necessarily. The extra TT2 crowds are going to be in the other queues. I also have a hotel reservation. Hopefully it can be rescheduled. This is my nightmare scenario for a CP trip. The only way it could be worse is if something harmed steel vengeance
@@fishels3895 or maybe the ques will be lower because of the closure. Honestly, there are so many rides at CP that the waits times aren't normally horrendous because they are more spread out. Just go in with a solid strategy and you will get everything you want to get done out of the way. How many days do you have in the park?
If that happens the coaster will flop. The ejector over the tophat was the main feature for my 27 rides between media day, passholder preview, and opening weekend. Slow that down, and the ride becomes mediocre AT BEST.
This is what happens when you go to a manufacturer known for mass produced flat rides, jenky coasters, and memes (ie Daddy Pig's Coaster) and ask them to build what the GP should think is the best ride in the park at CP (enthusiasts know SteVe is where it's at but I definately see the GP preferring this). Perhaps this is just karma for how they handled media day and the locker situation.
That'll probably be my last ride on it then. The ejector air over the tophat was the best part of the ride. Take that away, and it's mediocre AT BEST. Glad I got 27 rides on it the way it is.
You get what you pay for..Go with the cheapest bid and it generally doesn't work out..At the same time downtime was almost a given..The lightning trains on TT2 are basically prototype's,the 1st ones running. Growing pains are almost guaranteed..People need to chill,if your pissed cuz you booked a trip now roasting the park that's on you,every single new attraction has downtime in its 1st season,nothing is guaranteed
This is NOT good! This could wind up blowing up in Cedar Point's face after such an awesome start! Because the money spent on repairing this (SAFETY FIRST) could jeopardize any possibility of a bigger coaster opening here in the next two years! This is a huge loss for everyone, the park, the patrons, and the industry! Call me crazy, but some of the big coaster manufacturers should have a real test track and put it through the paces before actually putting it into operation! Designing them by computer is one thing, actually putting them under the stress/torture tests can detect what can go wrong after extended use! Just my opinion!
Zamperla has a shaky history as far as building reliable equipment. I worked in the industry for 15 years and the owner of the park where I was employed vowed to never buy anything from them again. Rotten luck with 4 different rides. Each one had different issues but they all shared the big issue of bad engineering and flimsy construction. Steel was slowly bending out of shape on critical supports and ride vehicle connectors. This was happening when all four of the rides were operated under average conditions with average rider weights. I know Italian companies have beefed up their engineering standards over the years. That being said....I was surprised when I heard of Zamperla's involvement on this big makeover on a huge attraction that they had nothing to do with in the first place. All of the hype and excitement over this coaster coming to a halt this quickly over possible engineering issues on all three of the trains will likely not sit well with the general public and most importantly the enthusiasts. I hope things work out quickly for all involved.
Thank you for your insight! I was also surprised, and maybe a little disappointed at first, when I heard Zamperla was doing the ride. Over the year as we watched they updates I grew more and more hopeful. Then after riding it, and seeing how consistently it was running during previews, I thought this story finally had a happy ending. Now we're back in "wait and see" mode it seems. I genuinely do hope it all works out. The ride is very very fun.
Im do disappointed 😔 im houng to cedar point this tuesday coming up and i was hoping to ride it 😭💔 but eventually ill get to i guess but im not happy ! :(
maybe this ride is just not to be judged before the first two months into the 2025 season. Considering that Zamperla have never done anything like this, the gamble might have been too big to seriously expect a more or less flawless opening. I do find it weird though that they are discovering something this severe after just a couple of days of opening to the public, while they had the ride testing for 1-2 months iirc. How much stress can a few days of public operation have caused that you couldn't have figured out with stress testing beforehand? Anyways, I guess let them do their job, let's hope the ride reopens this year, and just call it a real failure if it is not running reliably from next year on. So far to me the only thing it is not is an epic win. But living in Europe, I wouldn't book my trip in 2024 😀
I’ve wondered the same thing about all the testing not revealing what the issue was beforehand. It’s all really too bad because it seemed like it absolutely WAS going to be an epic win after the previews and first weekend. But yeah, I’m certainly still willing to keep the faith for a while.
@@KICoasterGuy I mean... of course there IS the possibility that things already started to show up during testing, but that people wanted/needed to make the preview opening happen. Imagine the press and the echo if the opening had been canceled entirely. Now you at least got people talking about the ride, people have seen it in action, reviews were mostly positive. For sure this is pure speculation, but from an economical point of view I would understand it to an extent. And I definitely trust CP that the ride was safe at any moment it operated.
Let’s take a second to acknowledge what a great idea it was to go with Intamin on the original installation of this ride type at CP 😕 Zamperla at least has the excuse that they’ve never built a ride like TT2, and that it’s using new trains, etc. TTD was *not* Intamin’s first hydraulically-launched high-speed coaster. In the year TTD opened, it, too was closed for CoasterMania. Oh, and shortly after it opened, a theming element (dragster tire) broke off the blue train, which caused CP to remove all of the dragster tire theming pieces from all the trains. TTD also went down a lot during this period, a tendency it never overcame. Let’s not pillory Zamperla just yet.
UPDATE: I’m aware of the rumors that the ride may open this weekend. All I can tell you is that it WILL NOT open tomorrow 5/17 as crews have already been scheduled elsewhere. Will have another video soon.
Either they had a bunch of extra parts laying around “just in case” or the mechanics in The Amazement Shop pulled off some hocus-pocus and managed to patch something together
@@dindog22 it’s also possible that the teenage filled coaster community took the rumors and ran irresponsibly wild with speculation.
I don’t think we will see it operate anymore in the 2024 season (sad i know) just a feeling I have. Hope I’m wrong
I love how screamscape still looks like it belongs in 2001
You’re not wrong lol
Thats what I was gonna say
They gotta do a website update and get with the times.
@@ThrillCoasters305 Honestly I hope they leave it at this point
hahahaah I HAVE BEEN A COASTER ENTHUSIAST SINCE 2000 AND THE WEBSITE HAS NOT CHANGED
If the ride doesn't open until next season then I think it's fair to say that Zamperla and CP have taken the L on this one
Yeah I hope it doesn't come to that.
if that happens I wouldn't be surprised if they turn to intamin again
Zamperla was def a bad choice for the reimagined ride … smh cp …
@@TheRealKrashKoursedo you know when that is going to be reopened like I don't want to wait until July because I'm going next month with my nephews to cedar point and we were going to ride top thrill 2
I think it will not open until next season
If the ride reopens in July, hopefully CP takes this time to redesign the locker system
They won't. MAYBE they'll have something for next year. Maybe. Or maybe this is just the way it's gonna be. There is no place to put lockers inside the queue. The last part of the queue is a single line that is pretty long, and fast lane is one single queue that goes all the way to the station. If CP puts ANOTHER STUPID merge point that puts fast lane in the regular line, that's a half an hour before you get to the platform, they need to reduce the price of their fast lane. It's already RIDICULOUS at Millie, and Vengeance. They charge $1,000 for their all season fast lane, and upwards of $200 for a daily FL. Having the people who paid a whole lot of money to skip the line, merge into the regular line is asinine. They RUINED Vengeance's fast lane when they put the lockers in, and they should fix it by having fast lane go in the left side through the metal detectors, which is the way it used to be. Fast lane queues should NEVER merge into the regular line unless it's at the station. CP fast lane is BS. How is it that every other cedar fair park I go to, KI KD Carowinds, all have a ZERO minute wait for fast lane, and yet, if I want to ride Millie, or Vengeance I have to not only wait to merge into the regular line, sometimes up to 45 minutes before you merge into the regular queue, and then you have another half hour before you get to the station. Hell, even on the rides that do go straight up to the station, like Maverick, the fast lane wait is sometimes as long as 40 minutes. And don't say it's because they sell so many fast lanes. KI sells just as many, if not more because they are way cheaper. I have never waited longer than 10 minutes at KI. Most of the time the wait is 1 or 2 trains max.
Is that when the ride is rumored to reopen? July
If the trains are being modified, they need to be redesigned, that's months of R&D. A good indicator of how it's affecting the park is Hotel Breaker's occupancy, and them sending out multiple mass marketing emails. Food for thought!
What's going on with Hotel Breakers?
@thee_jpp lots of cancelations, as would be imagined, also they are sending out lots of marketing via emails. At a time when their crown jewel just flopped
@@billybob33366has it been confirmed they are sending out emails??
@@billybob33366 Hopefully they drop prices. I was thinking about going next week in the hopes that there's no crowd lol
@thee_jpp keep checking because their rates can change by the day!
Happened to ride Top Thrill 2 on the Friday before its closure. This video makes me thankful I got my credit when I did 😅
Oh wow you JUST barely got it lol.
@@KICoasterGuy Yup! I can’t believe it either. I got a second row ride, and while the experience was definitely rattly, I could look past it. Such a fun ride, that airtime over the top hat caught me off guard! Hoping it reopens with a smooth but otherwise identical ride experience.
Same got a front row ride Friday afternoon
Lucky devils
Same here, I got it opening day. Planning on going back to CP at the end of the month and obviously won't be able to ride it then. Glad I got this incredible ride when I did
Stay positive, people
When you order an Intamin multilaunch from Wish.
thats so shitty if they reopen it next season
There’s always next year 😅
Top Thrill 3? 🤷♂️
@@essaym7509 might as well at this point 🤣
That’s my prediction
@@anthonyharder1469 wouldnt be surprised, im going the 30th. millennium and steel vengeance are still great though
Prototype trains first time used. Its disappointing but not surprising. I’m sure they’ll get it fixed and back up as quick as they can.
These are big companies with money to be made too so I’d bet CP is fuming lol and also actually trying their best to get this done asap
My brother lives in Port Clinton and hangs at a bar that some of the cedar point staff hang out in. He said some of the staff were told that bogies were showing signs of premature stress. They noticed it during the media openings and the initial few days of operation but were waiting to see if it would settle in or get worse. Apparently, they got worse.
Interesting thank you! I had also heard it was regarding the wheel bogies.
Also, the ride ops guys that my brother spoke to said there was ZERO chance it opens “anytime soon”. Something to do with redoing the guide wheel tension assembly and housing. What a stunning engineering blunder. I really hope I’m wrong 🙈.
,ttd/2ron4695/46 here, Just look at the wheel bogies [compared to Fury's Flight ones-note look more substantial ¬e the vertical ribs] !! TT2's need to be more beefy &/or stronger alloy's. Rode on its last monday the center rear #6 Silver then black; Siv was jerky/rough but the black was quite smooth running!! So whatever going on it was progressive!
My luck is TRULY INCREDIBLE! I haven’t been to CP since 2003. A few yrs ago I finally planned a trip back, only to be greeted with the new of Dragster closing, so I didn’t book my ticket. Heard that they were redoing it, told myself I will go when they finish. They finish, I book my plane tix, and hotel for middle of June excited to finally ride it again. CLOSED INDEFINITELY. I can’t win….
Oh wow 😢
My deepest condolences. I can't go back to Cedar Point until late August at the earliest and was greatly disappointed by the fact that the ride was closed when I went last weekend. I can't imagine how much more disappointed you must be.
Same. Never been to the park and thinking of a reschedule if possible as I have also booked for mid June
First time for both cedar point and the USA for me. Chose June hoping that any issues would be ironed out by then… no possibility to change my schedule anymore so I guess I just have to hope for the best.
@@kuich I’m really sorry man. I hope they get it running for the both of us. Luckily I can change to august if need be
What time in June you coming?
Also welcome to USA! Will be my first cedar point trip as well. I have never ridden Millie, but I can tell you a Giga coaster will BLOW your mind. My home park is Carowinds so I get to enjoy fury 325. Best drop I’ve experienced by far
Still more reliable than Steel Curtain!
Savage
@KICoasterGuy Hey its true! That coaster is closed for the entire season and will probably be scrapped! I'll be surprised if it ever opens again!
steel curtain is the most hated coaster on earth
I was gonna say but ...beat me to it ha
@@MrCrash-hz8xy NO. It's Steel Curtain is the most hateful coaster on planet earth. It hates coaster enthusiasts who want that credit. That ride has been so elusive to get the credit for, it took me until last year to finally get it, during ERT at a coaster club event. It also went down while we were doing a backstage tour of it.😂😂
It was bound to happen.
Zamperla has never done anything remotely on this scale before, and brand new trains on top of that.
It happens to Intamin as well.
Yeah but Intamin as now worked thru there issues and are now killing it
@@djkingarthur1079Intamin’s newer coasters do seem to be better designed and more reliable, but you might want to ask Universal Orlando how happy they were to have to install garden sprinklers to cool the wheels on VelociCoaster trains shortly after it opened because Intamin continues to have issues with the wheel compounds they use. I’m sure the garden sprinklers UO installed were an additional expense to an already very costly ride that they greeted with smiles and cookies.
I have a feeling the wheels are the main issue causing this entire ride to shut down, but it's more than just wear and tear. Normally, if coaster wheels are wearing down faster than intended the manufacturer will just send out extra wheels as a "sorry" and work on the new wheels while the ride chews through the old ones. Once they find the solution, the ride uses the new wheels and the ride is good to go. Notice though, the rides that have this happen never shut down, which means the wheels on this ride were causing something catastrophically wrong if they need to shut down the coaster. What I honestly believe, is that the entire wheel assembly may have been incredibly stressed on this coaster. This could have caused permanent deformation on the wheels and wheel carriages, leading to the shuffle you feel on the coaster, but more importantly setting the ride out of line with the lsm stators. Two major accidents might have been prevented by shutting down, and I think those two possible accidents are why no one is saying what the real issue is. But from what I can gather, it sounds like both these plausible accidents could have lead to more flying shrapnel than the original incident that even lead to this coaster being built. It is a good thing they caught this, as one little incident where no one gets hurt could damage this ride's reputation irreparably, and damage the park's reputation permanently for allowing multiple accidents on the same coaster, let alone if anyone was to get hurt again.
I was very disappointed when I heard the news about Zamperla reimaging Top Thrill 2. Cedar Fair should have Shaken Hands with Intamin, renewed their partnership and let them reimagine Top Thrill Dragster. I TRULY seen this coming. Oh Well??
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Great video! I’m glad that I didn’t book a hotel yet and that my ticket isn’t dated so I can keep an eye on this
Perfect! Yeah just keep an eye on it. Can't wait to ride this thing again.
I don't think it's the wheels, I think it's the yoke coupling that connect the cars together. The assembly is all aluminum with aluminum pins, like the rest of the train.. I don't think aluminum pins have ever been used before, or at least not for something that sees excessive forces. Typicially they are solid steel pins in steel sleeve bearings. Seeing how the trains whip over the top hat, it's probably more repetitive force than they can handle. The wheels to me, look way over engineered.. and yes, I am an engineer that works with aluminum.
As a non-engineer, this was always my concern with the Lightning Trains. Aluminum is a fantastically light metal, but it fatigues easily.
How long did they have to test this ride again?
The first test runs were in January or February I believe, but test runs are not the same as running the ride when the park is open. People are a whole lot different than water dummies. This stuff happens with prototypes. Millie was literally melting her wheels, and somehow so was I-305 until Intamin changed the wheel compounds.
@@Spike-sk7ql I understand but at the same time, this big of an issue must be discovered and fixed before officially ride opening.
@@Sawyersaviation I'm not saying it's right. I'm only saying that the trains had more weight on them, and were cycled a whole lot more than they were during winter testing. They took the best people from the Maverick, and Vengeance crews to run tt2, and they were flying, sending the trains out as soon as the tophat was cleared. I am in NO way sticking up for CP, or Zamperla. (CP is my home park, but I like KI, and KD better)
@@Sawyersaviation This sounds like a fatigue-based issue and it will only become apparent once ride parts reach the end of their useful life. These parts were intended to last a lot longer than they did, but they also lasted a lot longer that the test-and-adjust and certification/inspection period. There is no way this kind of issue could have been discovered any sooner.
A lot of people are pissed about TT2 closing, and while I was in that camp myself, I've come to appreciate this closure. If there's something wrong with the trains that makes them think they need to close the ride and do maintenance on it, I'd rather they do it now than wait for catastrophe to strike. Yes, it royally sucks that it's closed. Yes, people are disappointed. But think of this: worst case scenario (and purely hypothetical; don't get caught up in this), the modification they're making has to do with either the restraints or the train's attachment points to the trucks. Not a big deal the first two launches, but the snap rolls and the ejector airtime on the original tower could have ejected people from the train (or ejected the train itself) at 200 feet up or more. And falling from 20 stories is nearly universally fatal. So I ask you this: do you want to live, or do you want to ride something that could potentially kill you? CP is without contest making the right decision here.
Said by someone who works in an extremely safety-conscious industry where even a slight misstep can kill 80 people or more
Next season sounds right. It’s the curse of the chiller. It has spread
I think will definitely affect not only the relationship with CF and zamperla. But itll also affect kingda kas chance of getting the same treatment. At this point the only way to keep Zamperla and CF in good terms is for Zamperla to basically work around the clock to show to them that they are trying to fix the issue as quick of possible or to lower the repair costs that it would normally be. Like how arrow did to KI woth vortex after the failure of the original bat
Nah. Counting all their flats, Cedar Fair has WAY too many Zamperlas to let their relationship sour. When Cedar Fair purchased TT2 from Zamperla, it was very clear that they had bought a deeply discounted prototype ride. Issues like this are to be expected. Zamperla is on-site and working hard on a fix that will be at no additional cost to Cedar Point. TT2 will reopen safely. All will be well.
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They preventing a major accident before it happens, why can't people look at that fact
It would have been catastrophic
I don't know of anyone that isn't looking at that fact. You can both understand and be upset.
Also, I'm wondering how this "modification" wasn't noticed during all the testing before park opening?
Well this was a prototype car from Zamperla, prototypes are known to have issues. Look at steel curtain
@@Holy_Athletics I have been wondering that myself.
So does this mean they'll have time to install free lockers??
Absolutely not. Unless it doesn't open until next year. Then MAYBE. But they better not screw the fast lane line up like they did with Vengeance. That is actually unacceptable, to charge such exorbitant amounts for their fast lane, and yet you merge with the regular line 30 minutes before you get to the station.😠 And that's AFTER you wait about 10-45 mins before the person who you can swear hates fast lane people let's you into the regular line. Opening day the chick doing the merge at Vengeance was letting 4-6 fast lane people in, and then about 35 regular line people. It's total BS. If you're gonna make us merge into the regular line 30 mins out, you need to get us into that regular line as soon as we walk up.
the trains are a lot higher off the track than the original ones which messes up the heartline. people have been saying that the downward twist especially if you are seated on the left side of the train is downright violent because of the heartline being off. if riders are feeling it, I don't think it's crazy to say that the trains could have issues with the stress. I heard on a podcast today that it's the wheel bogies. maybe they need to put smaller road wheels on and get the heartline closer to the track. all that being said, why didn't the issues show up in the testing before the opening? everyone remembers that Maverick's heart line roll was eliminated because it put too much stress on the trains but they caught that in the testing phase. I hope they get this figured out . I am rooting for Zamperla
On the Maverick heartline, @dindog22, you might be right with train stress', but it was also when the 1st test riders took the heartline, they determined too stressful on the riders!! [think they only took couple rides to determine that]. I saw it test running through heartline & thought it looked to track thru it A-Ok!
Wow I'm so glad I didn't get my Coaster Mania tickets this year! Last time we were there was Coaster Mania 2003. Still have the button featuring Top Thrill Dragster, which did not open at all during the event! This was going to be the second time I followed the construction of this ride only to be disappointed again! Not sure our Cedar Point enthusiasm could have recovered from that. It's an expensive and time consuming trip for us! It's much easier to get to Kings Island from where we are. That's our favorite park anyway! Hopefully next year they will get the kinks out of this very problematic coaster!
Hell.... CP is my home park, and I find myself wanting to go to KI which is 4 hours away for us, and CP is about an hour and a half. I mean.... we are going down to KI this weekend for the ACE event. I love KI.
You know Zamperla was often bragging about how simple and light weight the new trains were, guess they were a little too simple.
Bet it has something to do with the wheels/tires. I saw a close up video (off ride) and it looked as if the larger wheels above the track did not line up with the track itself as the train left the station. Maybe they need a wheel with a recess down the middle to prevent that issue? Just a guess.
You should watch Ryan the Ride Mechanics video on wheels. It's actually understandable. They don't point the wheels perfectly straight on purpose. They actually do have a little toe-out in them to keep the trains from hunting back and forth on the track.
The wheels are already concave.
@@Spike-sk7ql Not when they're new, though.
It's a "new" coaster, people. Give them a little time. I think ultimately, TT2 is going to be a reliable ride.
Hopefully in this time they can sort out the lockers, but overall big shame
Should have gotten an Intiman
Intamin isn't known for reliability either.
YOu mean the same company which had all kinds of issues with Top Thrill Dragster? Lot of stupid here.
Pretty sure he's joking.
I understand that reference
I don’t feel bad for them they chose to go with another manufacturer who claimed the trains would be more reliable. Say what you want about Intamin but I don’t recall the trains needing completely redone after it opened in 2003 and all the way up until it closed. If it’s down all season hopefully season pass holders sue like they are doing to Kennywood over Steel Curtain.
I love Intamin, but the trains were heavily modified before the ride opened in both 2003 AND 2004. 2003 saw the removal of one car from each train, shortening them to 4 cars for a total of 12 seats and 2004 saw the addition of the fifth car and the removal of the theming elements to add the 9th row of seats for a total of 18 riders.
Well that’s what you get going with the lowest bid and a company without the track record of large rides.
What a shame! I can't go on it, but I parked myself at the exit and everyone (literally) was so happy with their ride! Hoping it gets fixed soon!!
Why would you feel bad? They went with a manufacturer that doesn’t know the ride nor has a record of producing a ride of such magnitude. CP did the wrong thing by going with anyone but Intamin.
What's your prediction for when TT2 will open?
It won’t and honestly shouldn’t !!!
I’m saying next season
I'm really bummed. I'm making my first ever visit to CP next week. I was really looking forward to getting on TT2.
If it’s down for the whole season…….that would be devastating. Idk how you could spin that to be a positive for the park. Praying for the best, really wanna experience this. 🙏🏼
Yeah I'm sure they want VERY much to avoid that outcome. Would not be good at all.
You can't spin it to be positive, but some people are so dead set on NEVER criticizing cedar point that they'll find a way.
I would be pissed if I made plans to go there. Only for the main reason go to CedarPoint was to ride TTD2, only to be shut down
I mean.... its good and all, but it's still #4 in the park. Maybe even #5 behind Raptor too. It's definitely not the only reason to go to CP. You'll still have a great day, riding the other world class coasters.
Im very disappointed. Wanted something new
Well the coaster counters can brag about having the rarest coaster credit of all time.
I got it. 27 times for now. If they end up having to slow it down over the tophat, I may end up with one more and that's it.
@@Spike-sk7ql you rode TT2 27 times? No way. How many days had it been open to the public?
@@joeskis &@spike-sk-7ql I got 46 times / 30 hrs in park [Charity & preview included (11 X's)].[also FL+]. my #1 TT2 was my 4650th TT ride!- Rode it over 24hrs. too. TTD/2Ron4695/46 are TT2s
I'm calling it, the wheel bogies looks too small and thin for the scale of ride
dam that lasted about as long as aaron rogers season with the jets
I drove in from Chicago last weekend to ride tt2. Day 1: it appears closed for wind, fine. Day 2: announcement of extended closure. I felt utterly sick with disappointment and left the park early. I can’t help but blame cedar point for wanting to go with low-budget Zamperla to give a metaphorical middle finger to intamin.
Yep, and in addition, costs of tickets and merchandise will be raised to gain back money spent building the ride. cp guests have a right to me upset
This is what I was worried about. If they had to shut it down after just 2 weeks they might have noticed a problem with the way it was designed that isn't going to be a quick or easy fix.
Great, so this could be a PERFECT TIME to redesign the locker situation also..right, CP?
And refund my passes hotels and plane tickets
Nope. MAYBE next year, and they better not screw the fast lane people like they did at Vengeance!!! It's unacceptable that they charge $1,000 for all season, and upwards of $200 for single day fast lane, and the top rides in the park merge fast lane into the regular line 30-40 minutes before you get to the station. If they do screw us, they need to lower the price of fast lane. Especially when they seem to be training the merge point people to let 4-6 fast lane people, and 35 regular line people into the regular line. How is it that at KI, KD, and Carowinds I wait a train or 2 to get on the ride, but at CP, for their top rides (we'll, not Maverick) you merge into the regular line so far back,.????? It is really BS, and should NEVER happen.
I'm glad I went opening day to experience the ride. The 3 hour wait was worth it. I hope others don't have to wait 3 months.
Damn, that's how long y'all waited???? I rode 8 times on media day, once on passholder preview, 7 times opening day, and 15 tines on Sunday of opening weekend. Fast lane was dang near a walk on Sunday, and when I went to the ride on opening day, it was only about 15 mins. Once it was 30 mins. But 3 hours??? Dang man, I remember waiting 3-4 hours for Millie back in 2000, but CP had a DJ in the line to keep us entertained while waiting.
I’m curious why these problems weren’t noticed before opening. It’s not like they weren’t heavily testing this previously. You would think something would have at least started to show up.
Because people and constant operation are NOT the same as water dummies, and running it periodically. That's it.
@@Spike-sk7ql People should not be a different quantity in this case. It’s just weight. As to the other, that’s on them if they were not testing it as if it was a weeks worth of operations for a 120mph ride considering it’s a company who had never done that before with new trains no less. Foolhardy at best.
@@gregg5958 They did PLENTY of testing. Parts failed prematurely, but not quick enough to become an issue during testing. That's pretty common of any prototype mechanical system.
@@breemik08 yes like my rides (last Mon. oper) on center rear seat (#6), --first on SILver train where the ride was quite rough/jerky (probably worse seat of all; rode that day 27times so had many seats/train colors). Then rode same #6 on BLack train where ride was QUITE SMOOTH!!! hence problem(s) were progressive. Told both TT2 Supervisor & 2 Zamperla persons to have maintenance do detailed look at that wheelset. TTD/2Ron4695/46(were tt2)
@@Spike-sk7ql @gregg5958; As an 'expert' on coasters relayed to me, equal weighted water dummies EVENLY DISTRIBUTED during testing runs are one thing, where as randomly distributed persons of differing weights might cause things showing up on not up to snuff designed items, like wheel bogies--just look at them, looks minimal*metal was used (on the horiz. connecting the wheels )(vertical to the other wheels) !! Get pic of Falcon's Flight , more massive & note vertical ribs for strengthening!! TT2's might even need be made of different alloys. ttd/2ron4695/46(are tt2's).
I have a question guys. I appreciate your opinion on this. I have been to Cedar Point and have enjoyed Cedar Point for some time. Maverick being one of my favorites as well as Top Thrill. Looking forward to riding Top Thrill 2 one day. My home Cedar Fair park is Kings Dominion but I feel like giving Kings Dominion a break this year in regards to Season Pass as there is nothing new until 2025. I enjoy Busch Gardens which is an hour from Kings Dominion. I want to go to Cedar Point but there is a chance that Top Thrill 2 will not open again this year so would you recommend me get a ticket to Cedar Point instead of a Season Pass to Cedar Point. or would you tell me to do a wait and see approach with Cedar Point's Top Thrill 2. Let me know Thank you.
Why not just get the platinum pass, or "AlL PaRkS PaSsPoRt" and go to KD, KI, Carowinds, AND CP??? You've got I-305 in your back yard, and don't want to get a pass???? Bruhhhhhh? I'll be down to KD sometime this summer, and most definitely for Haunt. Also, KD was our favorite park last year. Y'all don't know how good yall got it down there. CP is my home park, and I find myself wanting to go to KI more and more each year. Putting up with CP BS lately has become tiring. Ever since they moved corporate from the peninsula to Charlotte, things have been slowly going downhill at CP. Making cutbacks, but posting record profits? I kind of don't like what's been going on lately. No frontier festival this year, and Hallowekends budget cutbacks to the tune of $300k? Seriously????
Zamperla, Cedar Point, take your time.
Cedar fair should have used intamin again as the manufacturer for this project. The scale was just to big for Zamperla's experience in my opinion. Intamin has come a long way quality and reliability wise from the time the first top thrill/kingda ka models were designed and erected. Priemier would have also been a better manufacturer for the project as well. Might be wrong but i think this Frankenstein of a ride is going to be a headache for years to come and wouldn't be surprised if cedar fair gets rid of it a few seasons down the road. Only time will tell.
What’s hilarious is that they could still probably buy trains from Intamin if Zamperla can’t figure it out.
@@cody_t Honestly, they could probably just retrofit the old trains which are probably still in storage for spare parts, but seeing how they were 50% of why TT2 came into being, I doubt that would ever happen.
The Large wheels have stress fractures, and most are saying closed till halloweekens
My bet is we are going to see changes to the bogies construction. They may have to change materials to get the strength they need but not add weight.
Can't wait for Top Thrill 3 next season
haha hopefully not.
Nothing against Zamperla. They had an opportunity to make a beloved ride more reliable and I fully embrace that. I blame CP for allowing a predominantly flat ride company to remake such a classic ride.
The ride is great though. Brand new trains need a fix. Happens to Intamin all the time. So many whiners.
Yeah, such a large and fast coaster makes definitely harder. If they had a couple of larger coasters under their belt could have helped.
LOL says nothing against Zamperla then disses them. Intamin had their shot and repeatedly failed. Your bias is showing here.
@@chriskay1449intamin has made a huge comeback though. Intamin atleast pushes limits of what things can be done. Without them we wouldn’t have a ride for Zamperla to F up
@@chriskay1449 Is he wrong though? And Intamin isn't the reason the ride had the accident either. Last time I checked, a Swiss company can not do the morning inspections on the ride, and leave one flagplate bolt loose, and the other one completely gone.
That ride is cursed, thats the only explanation at this point.😂
It’s being reported… that the wheel assembly is cracking… which I can believe because I don’t think even though they look amazing the trains were designed from the ground up to be doing 120 mph day in and out
This is exactly what I’ve been hearing
@@KICoasterGuy this is make or break for ZAM. Because it takes nothing to get on Cedar fairs list of do not work with anymore and they don’t care how many titles you have given them in the past just aske RMC and INTAMIN
This is literally their “standout” attraction (for this year atleast) if they had it closed for the rest of this year, then what good is that?
If it is to keep people safe, it's a lot of good.
@@MrMac1138refunds would also be good then
I mean..... it spent the last 2 1/2 years SBNO. Also, it's still #4 in the park. Maybe 5 behind Raptor on a good day.
Gosh!, can’t believe how everyone is moaning….isn’t safety paramount? Isn’t it good that nobody was hurt? And that this was picked up so quickly? I think it will open when it’s safe and not before………. The park has so many other good rides .
I even said in the video safety is the most important thing…
The point is that cp is marketing this ride, and every time a new ride is built, ticket prices increase along with merchandise to gain back the cost of the ride. Well, if said ride is ALREADY having mechanical issues, we as cp guests and money spenders have a right to be upset..EVEN if it means putting safety first..which they should.
Both can exist at the same time. Why wasn't this "modification caught during pre opening testing? They've had 2 years to get this right.
I’m sure after spending an obscene amount of money to upgrade this ride! They will be sorting it out ASAP!
thats what they get for picking zamperla over intamin 🤷♂
This has happened to intamin as well, or have you forgotten all the down time for the OG Top Thrill Dragster? Nonsense post.
@@chriskay1449 they have proven improvement in those 20 years
@@chriskay1449That was back when Intamin was inexperienced with a ride like Top Thrill Dragster considering it was their first time doing such a ride. You completely ignore the fact that Intamin has become far more experienced and capable of building such coasters since then (Kingdaka, Red Force, etc) and also has a crap ton of experience building coaster trains capable of handling such forces. The logical assumption based on their success with other LSM launch coasters and the proven reliability of them is that they are the much more capable company for handling a project on the scale of TT2. To bring up the failure of Dragster to somehow refute the point that Intamin would be less capable is a mute point because it implies that Intamin learned absolutely nothing from their failures. A point that falls short because Intamin has proved with successive coasters that they did indeed learn from their mistakes. It's clear that CP only really went with Zamperla to be as cheap as possible with TT2 not because Zamperla was somehow going to be more capable than a company with years more experience building ride models similar to TT2.
@@stephenlee1664 This, so much this, my exact thoughts put into words, thank you!!!
Intamin sucks donkey balls. Mack is better
That’s what happens when CP went with Zamperla and they’re new unproven Lighting Trains…….bad decision. Thanks for the report KI Coaster Guy.
Appreciate it!
My thoughts exactly. This is what they get when they didn't want to pay Intamin to fix their own coaster and now this is a Frankenstein coaster, going with Zamperla to have new trains that have never been used or tested or anything. I personally won't ever ride this version, I'm just glad I got to ride the original.
@@1138gabe😂😂 Frankenstein Coaster ... but you are too right hun ✅
I feel they rush it to be open as soon as they did
@@1138gabe Intamin has their own problems. Part of the reason why Intamin is not involved is because Intamin does not like to take responsibility for their screw ups. They have never supported the hydraulic launch systems well. I have also heard that Intamin was terrible with Universal for Velocicoaster and Hagrid's. They want to blame anyone else for reliability issues. They have continued to have issues with Intamin on the coaster they have for Epic Universe. Reality is Intamin is a pain to work with that makes rides that are unreliable when they open and take time and money to make reliable. Zamperla is at least willing to work with parks and take responsibility. Intamin will take risks, but then blame.
Intamin is a company many are starting to not want to deal with. I have heard Universal will not work with them again. I bet they are out of business in less than a decade, likely purchased by someone else. I believe Intamin coasters have also caused more injuries than any other brand.
So why would you want to work with a company that is just not very good anymore?
I’m from 🇬🇧
I came sooooo close to booking flights on Thursday to come here in July. Need to take 2 planes to reach Ohio.
So glad I didn’t as it would’ve been $700 down the drain as I last came in 2018 and there pretty much nothing new since then.
Still the number 1 amusement park though and the 3rd best park in the world imo
Cedar Point: Who are we going to hire for the retrofitting of one of the most extreme roller coasters in the world?
Someone: What about Zamperla?
Pero-ple need to stop with this nonsense because it is willful ignorance of all the problems of Top Thrill Dragster.
@@chriskay1449 Exactly! Intamin took time to perfect the design and fabrication of reliable extreme roller coasters. Zamperla is just at the beginning of this learning process, and is more likely to make mistakes. By the way, I'm a trained engineer.
@@crazy4wavescoasters741 And the other thing is that when Intamin first built Top Thrill Dragster, they too were inexperienced, yet nobody complained about them being bad When TTD started having issues.
@@chriskay1449 When Intamin built TTD, there weren't other brand choices available to make a coaster that big , that fast and that powerful. Nowadays, there are...
@@chriskay1449 Intamin was inexperienced when they built dragster??? Is Millie just not a thing to you? How about the Superman rides at six flags parks? Or any of the tons of coasters they built before doing dragster? The launch engine was a bit finicky, but from what I understand, most of the downtime was because of one of the 128 prox sensors for the retractable brake fins on the track. Not the trains. I like how Zamperla did the retractable fins on this one though. Only one side pivots, and they all have beefy actuators to move them. 2 on each fin. Those won't get hung up like the first design, and cause a fault. You keep saying "all the problems with the original" but trains weren't the problem. Although they did have to take off the rear wing and wheels that made the trains look like a top fuel dragster. Maybe that's what you're talking about?
A majority of the wheel bogeys and wheels are showing stress fractures, more than 3/4 of them on one of the trains. This ride WILL NOT open this year
This is exactly what I heard was wrong with it.
Going in august so I hope it’ll be open as obviously I missed it last year when I went
TT2 was a very rough ride. Very shaky side-to-side. It felt like it sits too high off the track.
I like TTD better. Launch SFX and Ready to Go instead of generic music. Thinner seat backs and lap bar is a much freer feeling. You sit closer to the track. TT2 seats do accommodate more sizes. Wide open station. 120mph zip of the cable right out of the gate. Much smoother. For that matter Wicked Twister. TT2 has elements of both. I've called it Wicked Dragster all along. I wanted TT2 to twist & stall lol
I rode TTD hundreds of times with a true rollback stalled from the top it feels like your back's going thru the seat gravity wants you out of it.
I didn't feel the desire to ride TT2 that much. Paid lockers or not. I'd pay to ride TTD. You pay $20 + $20 video to ride SlingShot. $10 for Miniature Golf on a flat Main Arcade floor. $10 for the Mirror Maze. Think of it that way lol
I'm glad TT2 was a hit. The trains look sharp. The line queue is nice. The Xmas tree lights look good. The 270 deg twist didn't feel too bad. The white track is bit blinding. The TT2 switch track was a Cheap Thrill fun element. (I'm going to upload a close-up sequence to go along with my web cam).
Now if they put crazy spinning Wild Mouse Cheese car on TT2 I might feel different.
It would have been Top Thrill Dragster all over if inspections didn't catch this. If it was the chassis that was cracking, as with the wheels, this could have been fatal if not found.
With that being said, I think we'll be lucky to see it by Halloween.
Where did you hear about the chassis? I hadn’t heard that.
@@KICoasterGuy reddit , or it was an axl or something. I'm not an engineer and don't claim to be one, so take that how you will.
I did hear there was tape or something on the lsms. If they were coming into contact with anything on the train physically, it could be deadly going at those speeds.
Obviously all this is speculation. Although I have read these things from multiple people in the last few days, so it wasn't just one person saying it.
@@gyme6077there’s no way they would know that the trains were coming in contact with the LSM and not close it. People at the media preview event mentioned the tape as well
I’ve booked a trip of a lifetime from the UK for mid June to ride this 😢
Oh no! Well it’s still possible it could be fixed by then. If not though, I think you’ll still enjoy the trip. Some fabulous coasters at Cedar Point.
i might be going in august. hope its open by then!
I don’t get on the first dragster for 2 whole summers bc it was always broke down
In its whole time at cedar point
I only got on it 4x
What's wrong with the trains??
@3:11: why would you feel bad for a corporation as greedy as cedar fair? I say the responsibility falls solely on them trying to cut every possible corner.
Making cutbacks while posting record profits too. Halloweekends budget cuts, no frontier festival this year, Vengeance running with 2 trains both weekends this tear so far, Maverick running 5 trains which really sucks pulling back into the station NOT where you got on, I was surprised to see Millie running all 3 trains. Not sure what's going on, but they seem not ready to be open somehow. This NECER happened when corporate was able to look out the window, and see how the park was operating. Ever since the office moved to Charlotte from on the peninsula, things have been slowly going downhill, and they don't care.
Not just a rumor. This ride isn't opening anytime soon.
It’s looking that way.
Depends on how you define any time soon. July would not surprise me. What I have heard is there is an issue with the wheels and vibration that can impact various parts. It seems they need added dampening and some changes to prevent wear and tear on the trains. Not shocked as that is something simulations are terrible at
It is a rumor. UNless it comes officially from CP or Zamperla, it is nothing more than a rumor.
@FlyRick78 if they open in July that w8ll mean the ride was down for 2 months..right after being "new and improved." That's not a good look at all. Was ttd or maverick or millenium down for 2 months the first WEEK of its opening? No.
Ummm...yes. yes TTD did close for an extended period for this very reason. Train mods. If you already forgot, one of those massive tires they had on the back flew off and bounced down the midway. They had to reduce the weight of the trains as well. It just happened in a time before ppl bitched and moaned online ab everything.
Its really unfortunate for people like me who live in places like Seattle and have this ONE chance to ride a ride they've been hyping up since september. Guess ill just ride what i can and maybe see about some other summer. 😔
Hey man chin up. Be thankful you weren’t like me and already booked the plane and hotel. I’m currently seeing if I will be able to reschedule once we know something a little more concrete
Will it reopen eventually
Oh for sure. I’d still be willing to bet it’ll reopen this season.
I hope it opens mid June
Anyone ever thought of contacting Zamperla directly and asking them about the issue?
They will never say.
The modifications or say major redesign of the train is not going to be a quick fix in my opinion. If you look at all other launch type coasters how many have had to close the ride within one week because of train problems and remove them for this. Even with the original dragster having problems from the start it was primarily the launch engine and sensors not the trains having to be pulled off, nothing personal to zamperla but Intamin has built many coasters which may have had problems but built some of the best on earth.
Says nothing personal, but then disses them.
@@chriskay1449 But is he wrong?????
I live over 1000 miles away and already made big plans to visit in 2 weeks that can't be changed. Don't know when I'll ever get to go back. Fml.
I went for my first time about a year ago and the original dragster was closed. I was super bummed, but this park is chalk full of EXCELLENT coasters including my favorite coaster ever, so don't be discouraged. You will have a full and excellent experience with or without top thrill.
@@Alex-eo7mynot necessarily. The extra TT2 crowds are going to be in the other queues. I also have a hotel reservation. Hopefully it can be rescheduled.
This is my nightmare scenario for a CP trip. The only way it could be worse is if something harmed steel vengeance
@@fishels3895 or maybe the ques will be lower because of the closure. Honestly, there are so many rides at CP that the waits times aren't normally horrendous because they are more spread out. Just go in with a solid strategy and you will get everything you want to get done out of the way. How many days do you have in the park?
The airtime will be cut and it wont fly over the top hat like it did. I really think zamperal screwed up.
How do you know?
If that happens the coaster will flop. The ejector over the tophat was the main feature for my 27 rides between media day, passholder preview, and opening weekend. Slow that down, and the ride becomes mediocre AT BEST.
This is what happens when you go to a manufacturer known for mass produced flat rides, jenky coasters, and memes (ie Daddy Pig's Coaster) and ask them to build what the GP should think is the best ride in the park at CP (enthusiasts know SteVe is where it's at but I definately see the GP preferring this). Perhaps this is just karma for how they handled media day and the locker situation.
Eeh, SteVe is solid but i prefer Maverick
im going june 3. cancel trip?
Have you ever been before? It sounds like TT2 might not be back open by then, but there's still plenty of great rides.
No. Maybe just postpone it.
Im hearing stand up trains
Top Thrill Surfer anyone?
Brake fins will be added to the top hat
That'll probably be my last ride on it then. The ejector air over the tophat was the best part of the ride. Take that away, and it's mediocre AT BEST. Glad I got 27 rides on it the way it is.
You get what you pay for..Go with the cheapest bid and it generally doesn't work out..At the same time downtime was almost a given..The lightning trains on TT2 are basically prototype's,the 1st ones running. Growing pains are almost guaranteed..People need to chill,if your pissed cuz you booked a trip now roasting the park that's on you,every single new attraction has downtime in its 1st season,nothing is guaranteed
Cedar Point cheaped out, and now they’re paying the price
Fortunately they found the problem before they had a unfortunate experience
Hard to argue with that.
Rode it Friday
This is NOT good! This could wind up blowing up in Cedar Point's face after such an awesome start! Because the money spent on repairing this (SAFETY FIRST) could jeopardize any possibility of a bigger coaster opening here in the next two years! This is a huge loss for everyone, the park, the patrons, and the industry! Call me crazy, but some of the big coaster manufacturers should have a real test track and put it through the paces before actually putting it into operation! Designing them by computer is one thing, actually putting them under the stress/torture tests can detect what can go wrong after extended use! Just my opinion!
CP should have paid the extra money and let INTAMIN reimagine TOP THRILL DRAGSTER. You get what you PAY FOR!
Cedar point paid Intamin money and they almost killed a bunch of people in the process. Is that getting what you paid for?
TT2 can join the pain with steel curtain smh lol
TT2 will still be open sooner than Steel Curtain and probably will have seen more riders than Steel Curtain by the end of next season.
Zamperla has a shaky history as far as building reliable equipment. I worked in the industry for 15 years and the owner of the park where I was employed vowed to never buy anything from them again. Rotten luck with 4 different rides. Each one had different issues but they all shared the big issue of bad engineering and flimsy construction. Steel was slowly bending out of shape on critical supports and ride vehicle connectors. This was happening when all four of the rides were operated under average conditions with average rider weights. I know Italian companies have beefed up their engineering standards over the years. That being said....I was surprised when I heard of Zamperla's involvement on this big makeover on a huge attraction that they had nothing to do with in the first place. All of the hype and excitement over this coaster coming to a halt this quickly over possible engineering issues on all three of the trains will likely not sit well with the general public and most importantly the enthusiasts. I hope things work out quickly for all involved.
Thank you for your insight! I was also surprised, and maybe a little disappointed at first, when I heard Zamperla was doing the ride. Over the year as we watched they updates I grew more and more hopeful. Then after riding it, and seeing how consistently it was running during previews, I thought this story finally had a happy ending. Now we're back in "wait and see" mode it seems. I genuinely do hope it all works out. The ride is very very fun.
Im do disappointed 😔 im houng to cedar point this tuesday coming up and i was hoping to ride it 😭💔 but eventually ill get to i guess but im not happy ! :(
maybe this ride is just not to be judged before the first two months into the 2025 season. Considering that Zamperla have never done anything like this, the gamble might have been too big to seriously expect a more or less flawless opening. I do find it weird though that they are discovering something this severe after just a couple of days of opening to the public, while they had the ride testing for 1-2 months iirc. How much stress can a few days of public operation have caused that you couldn't have figured out with stress testing beforehand? Anyways, I guess let them do their job, let's hope the ride reopens this year, and just call it a real failure if it is not running reliably from next year on. So far to me the only thing it is not is an epic win. But living in Europe, I wouldn't book my trip in 2024 😀
I’ve wondered the same thing about all the testing not revealing what the issue was beforehand. It’s all really too bad because it seemed like it absolutely WAS going to be an epic win after the previews and first weekend. But yeah, I’m certainly still willing to keep the faith for a while.
@@KICoasterGuy I mean... of course there IS the possibility that things already started to show up during testing, but that people wanted/needed to make the preview opening happen. Imagine the press and the echo if the opening had been canceled entirely. Now you at least got people talking about the ride, people have seen it in action, reviews were mostly positive. For sure this is pure speculation, but from an economical point of view I would understand it to an extent. And I definitely trust CP that the ride was safe at any moment it operated.
@@justlynch7381Yeah I bet they knew about the wear and tear that this issue is causing and opened it for a little bit to get the hype.
The first dragster was an unreliable ride at best. Hopefully they figure it out so it can ride again safely
I really hope so too! I’m optimistic even if things haven’t gone perfectly so far.
This is terrible for me going in late May with flights and hotels already booked.
Damn I’m sorry.
Ditto
@@KICoasterGuyit’s good though, we will still be able to ride all the rest of the coasters.
ITS ONLY BEEN OPEN FOR 10 MINS 😭
Lets take a second to acknowledge what a great idea it was to go with Zamperla on this coaster.
Let’s take a second to acknowledge what a great idea it was to go with Intamin on the original installation of this ride type at CP 😕 Zamperla at least has the excuse that they’ve never built a ride like TT2, and that it’s using new trains, etc. TTD was *not* Intamin’s first hydraulically-launched high-speed coaster. In the year TTD opened, it, too was closed for CoasterMania. Oh, and shortly after it opened, a theming element (dragster tire) broke off the blue train, which caused CP to remove all of the dragster tire theming pieces from all the trains. TTD also went down a lot during this period, a tendency it never overcame. Let’s not pillory Zamperla just yet.
So plan a visit to Cedar Point in 2025 or 2026. Got it.
Idk if a video was needed for this. I like screamscape, but this is the same website that said Kumba was going to close in 2022...