(14)Enterprise, Was It Really That Bad?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- In today's episode of Truth OR Myth we take a look at Star Trek: Enterprise and it's history and ask ourselves, was it really that bad?
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Good analysis, I'm 66 years old and have watched the franchise from the get go. Using TOS as a baseline you can probably apply this to all successive Star Treks but that's the nature of things such as improved visuals, better understanding of science, etc. That being said, in my opinion (and opinion are like assholes, everybodies got one) Discovery is the biggest offender (which can change in season two). I can and do enjoy all of them if I just disconnect some from the others (enjoy them as a stand alone). But for me some Trek is better than no Trek.
Thank you! And your right about opinions... The thing is TNG season 1 was horrible, and made plenty of mistakes so I dont want to judge ANY series from its 1st season alone... Hopefully, like TNG, it will grow in to something everyone can respect!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics .....You're right about TNG, Many of the problems with TNG were the results of laziness in post production (Phasers coming out of torpedo tubes and so forth) too much reused footage etc. But for me it was the feel. It felt like the Hotel Hilton in space. And I'm not alone in that perspective, it was a common criticism. But they were trying to make a statement about the state of affairs in the Federation at that time so there's that.
Indeed, but the biggest point is it became one of the most beloved of the Trek Series, but if everyone had judged it after season 1 I doubt it would be even known today!
@@jamesmcgrath1952 I like your point about enjoying them by disconnecting from what came before. Perhaps that's why the newer series don't offend me as much as some of the more vocal critics. Criticize where there is legitimate criticism to be had (like lazy writing), but learn to enjoy it for what it is, not what you hoped it would be.
Absolutely, I have viewed the Star Trek series as 'stand alone's' also, in the same universe but basically as storytelling.
And when doing so there's no need at all to go nitpicking on dogma, timeline and canon.
For any series that take up the slack from a long break, I expected the first season to be ...tentative, before they find the format, character roles in place etc....
So I loved Enterprise, and as said in the vid - it certainly got rolling bigtime with season 3.
Yet when the gap get too wide, when the storytelling no longer is believable, even I have to take a step back from being a fanbuoy (spacebuoy?) ...erm, regardless.
Discovery and the Abrams films is not for me, though I did see the films since a close friend of mine insisted. So yes he love anything Star Trek, and so - taste do indeed differ. :)
But here's the basic reason for our endless comments and disagreements on what is 'twue' Start Trek, those who say that the story told should be incontrovertibly as told on TOS, you'll run into problems with every new take on ST.
The only thing really wrong with STE was that they ended it far too early. It was a great show!
@@Nubias should've got a better ending man that ending was so bad.
@@Nubias , so what it is that you think was so bad about "Enterprise"?
@@Nubias I agree about Bakula.. I don't think it was a good fit for him either...
there were a number of excellent episodes however...
Uh...that last episode was terrible.
@Randy Wiesendanger well dropping out of warp may be a problem... (our laws of physics doesn't cover warp drives yet )
5:15 I thought it was _brilliant_ how they portrayed the resentment of Humans toward the Vulcans--who stood in judgment over the Humans and withholding help because they always deemed them unready for space exploration and contact with other, alien civilizations. It was Humans as teenagers rebelling against their Vulcan parents. Any Star Trek fans who found this tension "cringeworthy" missed the point completely. The Vulcans were holding the Humans back, and the Humans wanted to prove themselves, even if they weren't quite ready to the Vulcans' satisfaction.
wlan2 - It never got mentioned that that must’ve felt like being on the receiving end of the Prime Directive, ie, not good.
wlan2 100% agree with your analysis. Humans were pretty arrogant and naive about what is the universe. _Yeah, let's tell every alien race we meet where our home planet is._ *Facepalm* Thankfully they never encountered The Borg or they would have truly been fucked.
@GamerFromJump Humans being on the receiver end of the Prime Directive is a great way to summarize it!
@@MichaelPohoreski Well, except 1st Contact's leftovers anyway, lol.
@@GamerFromJump They kinda did mention how it felt to be on the receiving end of the Prime Directive, when Archer says to T'Pol that he, paraphrasing, understands why the Vulcan let humans create their warp technology on their own when he was in the similar situation with giving medical technology to a race that was dying out that held a sub race on their planet as servant/slaves.
I thought the Vulcans were the best part of ENT this was supposed to pre federation. Shame it wasn't a continual arc of them growing closer together.
Best part of Enterprise was Shran. He made Andorians awesome. Also, you got to see Captain Mercer when he was just an ensign. :)
Shran was great. When he was racist i didn't mind. But when Archer went into his tirades where he barks and paces around I couldn't stand it. I was rewatching some of it this month...he gets loses his cool a lot on this show and it isnt very becoming in any century
My wife and I adored Shran. He really was the best part of the series.
@Patrick Stewart do you think that Ed's time as an ensign was before he met Kelly?
P.S. I'm not upvoting because it's exactly at 42 likes ;)
And Shran was going to become part of the main cast if Enterprise had been given a fifth season.
@@visualpun650 I think T"Pol's suits were the best thing on the show.
I've always felt that Enterprise was more like The Original Series than was The Next Generation, DS9, or Voyager.
I really liked the "submarine" style layout of the Enterprise. And I really loved Jolene Blalock's depiction of Vulcan subcomander t'pol.
One of my favorite episodes was the older t'pol meeting the younger t'pol. The older t'pol was still the smartest crew member. She also stated that she didn't know what she would have done without Trip. Sadly, he was killed in the last episode, so I wandered how t'pol spent the rest of her life.
Jolene Blalock (great startrek last name there), along with Jeffrey Coombs were the standouts in an otherwise insipid show.
Put me down as a fan of T'pol.
@Martin Dennis And she was HOT!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who loved the submarine feel and look of the vessel. It fit perfectly to what humans would think a deep space craft would look and what their uniforms would look. They were coming from a military mindset, and not a deep space experienced mindset.
I really like the andorians in enterprise.
I like that they got fleshed out more...
Shran is a badass, I mean you cant go wrong with Jeffrey Combs.
Yep. Shran really gave the Andorians a human quality thatvI could relate to. We should have had a few more episodes with hin in them. He brought a special charisma to the show. They could probably have done a spin off with Shran as lead actor.
Lawney Malbrough I’d watch the hell out of that.
The Andorian women didn't hurt either.
I actually liked the series, think it was done with much consideration and respect to Gene Roddenberry's ideals
They frequently broke the ideals of Roddenberry - Starfleet captains who torture prisoners, who plan preemptive strikes, who commit acts of piracy, xenophobia on future Earth, sinister security organisations manipulating a United Earth, terrorism. And rightly so, of course, because that made for good drama!
@@MinesAGuinness True. I think it gets away with it a bit because the stakes were really high with the extinction of the human race weighing in the balance and also that since this was pre-federation they didn't really have proper protocols for dealing with alien cultures yet. Archer doesn't start off torturing prisoners and threatening people, he's kind of beaten and driven into a corner as the Zhindi arc goes on and it shows that that for all their idealism and everything humanity has overcome the characters are still fallible humans.
I personally liked the way the Vulcans where portrayed. It shows that everyone had problems back then and not just humans, and things weren't the utopia that the others created.
I wish it had gone all 7 seasons.
it really needed to...the stories that could have been told would have been amazing
Just what would they have shown, the escalstion of the Romulan War or a mostly behind the scenes of it? I Liked Enterprise, it could have continued. In part because it was more real: it wasn't "we're fine, and there will be problems but nothing we can't handle.." As a prequel it fit the caution it had in all its 'views', whereas the others were already in an established technological society, Enterprise was going into that society. Imagine the possibilities. But I'm not sure how much they could have done if they were in fact approaching the Romulan war, change the series like they did DS9 when it was the Dominion War?
I do not believe it should have lasted 7 seasons, but I'm fairly certain they could have pulled one more season off. The main issue being that as L Kimberly said, the Romulan war was coming real soon. As in "following year" soon and it lasts pretty much until the formation of the UFP (which happens a few months after the war concludes). So, there really wasn't many episodes they could have done besides wartime episodes which would have gotten stale.
Now that I think about it, they don't really have a full season left.... they'd have about half a dozen episodes tops. But anyways..... they should not have shoehorned the TNG Holodeck experience in the finale, it should have been experienced "in real time"
@@lanteanboy I agree with you to a point however the still would have been able to show the rise of the Coalition of Planets as well as it's failure because of the Romulan War. It would have been a good historical nod to the short lived and noneffective League of Nations. So I can see more than just half a season being left.
if the series is good make seasons until the actors give up or is not good anymore or pause it and continue with some time in between so it do's not get to plain of taste if its not broke don't fix it
i really dont know why some hate this show, it gave us a glimpse at the star trek universe with a bit more realism than other shows while still keeping the "spirit" of star trek
But it was compared, particularly because the companion Star Trek shows that were on beside it ALREADY had the tech and society that Enterprise was just entering. Like comparing the past and future; literally, the past seems weak and shallow compared to a fully fleshed out future in Star Trek.
I think they did a good job at building back story for most of the other series lore. It was a more relatable series.
and Discovery broke that spirit
@@lkimberly2064 By that logic, no one should ever set a movie or TV show in the past.
1 we're talking a fictional show. But 2 if you want a 23rd+ century show with tech and "civilization" that the Federation had in 23rd century onwards, it could be exciting and broad, in comparison Enterprise (Which I liked) wasn't as exciting. Like saying to the fans of CGI/ACTION "let's watch this other action movie from some way back, it compares to ones you know!" While exciting after exciting NEW ACTION/CGI keeps coming out. They won't, why? Simple: new action, new tech, new CGI and the newest action this or that will get their attention even if the older action film is one they like!
T,Pol best looking vulcan ever
I disagree. Spock is much more attractive ...
One of my favorite vulcans after watching
I dislike the waving around with silicon boobs, that feels extra inappropriate for a Vulcan. If you can see thru that, it's an interesting character and great acting.
T'Pol, "hard" fan service. 🤔
@Enzo 1965 The young T'Pau and I liked Lt. Saavik-both for different reasons-and of course, Spock.
Enterprise is an underrated show in my opinion. Like most Trek shows it took a while for it to find its footings, but once it did it got pretty good. I liked the cast and while it was updated compared to TOS I think the design of the NX-01 is slightly more believable as a predecessor to the NCC-1701.
One thing that Enterprise did do that the other Star Trek shows didn't do was give us a more in-depth look at the Andorians whereas in TOS, you'd seen The Andorians maybe 3 times throughout the entire run of the series and sporadically through the different movies and TV shows in the Star Trek universe
I always liked that Enterprise delved a lot more into the non-human-looking species. But one thing to keep in mind is that TOS was far more limited (because of the budget) in what they could do makeup-wise, so it wasn't always as practical to have species like the Andorians on-screen (which is why the Klingons had smooth foreheads in the TOS epsiodes, and didn't get the forehead ridges until The Motion Picture; Gene Roddenberry often said he always intended for them to have the forehead ridges but never had the budget during the series to pull it off).
forcewielder2000 and let's not forget about the fact that the make-up effects back in those days was pretty primitive compared to what can be done now
Enterprise goes all in with the conflict between the Andorians and Vulcans, Andorians and the Tellarite's, and goes as far as touching on the beginning of the conflict with the Klingon's, and the death of Duras, I love this series.
I loved it, probably my favorite series, I was just disappointed that the show was cancelled just as it was starting to hit its stride.
Absolutely loved this show. Call me an Ahole but it hit the tone of TOS more than anything. And I loved the characters and the story arc was incredible
YOU Ahole! :P
Jason Brewer. Totally agree. I never really took to TNG, and Voyager got on my nerves eventually. They were too bogged down with Starfleet rules. Enterprise put the fun back into Star Trek. I did like DS9 though.
I'm with you. Absolutely loved the show. My childhood TV program
Agreed-- it was getting much better by the time it ended.
Just when ENTERPRISE was getting good. And leading to the awaited EARTH / ROMULAN WAR. They took it off. Not listening to fans.
I NEVER listen to fans... I always judge each series on it's own merits according to how I feel about it! There are too many fans with toxic agendas especially lately...
you can thank "moonbeam" ( i shall never call him by his name) he didn't like it so he axed the show
Or listening to the wrong fans... the ones who want everything the same and usually came late to the party. Just like Star Wars, the fans who came later labeled themselves "old school" and don't realize that they are the same people who would have hated it all in the beginning for being "too new". I love the stuff that opens up a whole new take on things, widens the universe it is set in.
And like any story, different observers (the writers) have a different account and details will vary. Those who want it all exactly the same miss the whole point squabbling over details. They were never in love with the "new" vision and would have shot down the original series too.
Paramount is known for such actions...good things are canceled...excellent fan films are taken to court because they are too creative and threaten the studios influence on what they deem as being creative and done for far less than they could ever manage...(and yes, i'm referring to Prelude to Axanar (which is excellent...my opinion)
if you like good fan faction (and granted some of it can be very lacking and predictable) there is a rather interesting crossover story where the Next Gen and the Firefly 'verses merge thanks to "Q" and Picard has to decide what to do about the Reavers....River sees Troi from a distance and smiles at her...River's first encounter with Worf is also funny as she say's "Not afraid of you Foo Dog...you have a good heart" to which Picard agrees... Captain Malcom also punches "Q" in the face Hard) and "Q" avoids him after that... River is also adamant that Troi not try to touch the minds of the Reavers....which she says would destroy her... she also calls Troi a bunny... i enjoyed the story (it's not that long, an easy read in less than an hour) would make a neat graphic novel
Enterprise was amazing! And it was only starting to hit its stride with seasons 3 and 4 its a damn shame it was cancelled before we go to see the Romulan war I think given a few more seasons Manny Coto could have made Enterprise into one of the best Star Trek series rivaling DS9.
I agree it should have continued...
It wasn't just Manny that turned the series around. Check the writing credits an you'll see that most of Season 4 was written by authors who published successful Star Trek books.
But he was the linch pin, the one that said hire them!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics True, and if he hadn't brought them in it might have been more of the same.
@@martykarr7058 Exactly!
Star Trek: Enterprise? The best trek ever! Much love to Scott Bakula! The most human and credible capitan ever! Best crew ever!
+1
Agree. Human captain, he would have died to save his humanity and respect for other races.
I'm not a real fan of Star Trek to the point I can remember things like anachronism. Maybe, that is why Star Trek Enterprise might be my favorite Star Trek series. I like the transition from a world that we are almost familiar with to a future world. I also like how things get into places on the scenes that paves the way to the future conflicts described in the other series. I was very sad that the series had its life shortened.
I really loved the Star Trek Enterprise series. It's always hard to do a prequel when there is so much time and technological change since the original series. Also it included the first physical and emotional contact between human and Vulcan. The alien probe attack on the east coast of the USA was very memorable, with I guess the 9/11 attacks still fresh in the consciousness at the time. It was also good to see the references to the original Enterprise sailing ship, and the flagship aircraft carrier of the US Navy in the captain's quarters. It was also the first Star Trek series to feature a theme song with lyrics.
Georffrey Stevens > It was also the first Star Trek series to feature a theme song with lyrics.
Actually ... IT WASN'T! Imagine my shock & disbelief when, as a teenager in the 1980s, I discovered a songbook entirely devoted 2 theme songs from movies & TV shows, complete with the original lyrics -- including the musical theme 2 the classic Star Trek series!
It turns out that Star Trek's iconic music was merely the instrumental (sans lyrics) version, while the original version w/ sung lyrics was either never recorded or didn't get the green light 4 the TV-aired broadcasts. (This apparently wasn't unique: the theme 2 the 1970s-early-1980s reboot of Buck Rogers had lyrics as well, but were only used 4 the closing theme 2 maybe 1 or a few episodes during season 1 -- after that, they only used the instrumental version.)
So what were the Star Trek theme's lyrics? After all this time, I can only remember the lyrics mentioning falling in love w/ a beautiful, female green-skinned alien from ... some other planet. (No, seriously!)
The Enterprise is my favor of the Star Trek series. It is too bad it only lasted 4 years and not the normal 7 years. The 4th year was getting prime and then got killed!
Hey it beat TOS's 3-years. LOL! And look how popular TOS became AFTER being cancelled (7 motion pictures ain't nothing to sneeze about!). Just saying... "Enterprise" could rise again, the time may finally be right idk.
You should to read the books! The Good That Men Do is the first to be set after the end of the television series. Trip is still alive! :D
@@rebecarodriguez568 The series should have its last episode redonr-without that blasted hologramme bit by Riker and Troi. "Enterprise" should stand on its own. And I don't want the "Good That Men Do" interrupted by a "DS9" hologramme story either. "Rise of the Federation" story continues part of the Romulan War too where Cpts.T'Pol and Reed get their own ships, USS Endeavour and USS Pioneer, respectively.
I loved the show, especially when it got really good in seasons 3 and 4. Tragic it never went on to 7 seasons like TNG, DS9 and VOY. What a great cast, really miss those characters. Only thing I could never figure was why T'Pol had glamor nails! Just didn't compute for me... little bit too much Rick Berman input I guess.
To quote Riker:
"She went before her time."
This view comes from a 65 year old veteran Star Trek watcher, starting from the very first 1966 episodes (including the "pre episodes" with Jeffrey Hunter and the awkward Leonard Nimoy's proto Spock) in the original series.
I've seen every TOS, TNG, & Voyager, although still have not completed DS-9 which I kind of lost interest in but look forward to finishing up. I loved TOS, TNG and Star Trek Enterprise so much to become one of those people you hate to sit next to because I know & might blurt out every single line of dialogue.
I may be in the minority, but to me Star Trek Enterprise was the best & most enjoyable of them all. It wrapped up everything together perfectly, and that 4th and prematurely final season was masterful. The writers & the actors were on fire. Whether it was the short sightedness of the TV executives and/or poisoned biases of the fans of prior series, I don't know or care. It was a shame it didn't continue another few years like the other series.
It always comes down to personal opinion of course! And as i said in the video it's a huge shame :(
While I'm not as old, only 34, I agree whole heartedly. I did a 5 year stint in Japan and decided to binge star trek. I went through the whole damn series of series over a few months. I started to get bored by the end of ds9 and Voyager was a slog. I found myself annoyed that the crews were running into the same issues over and over but not being able to deal with them in the same way for no real reason. Enterprise did the opposite. I felt like I was watching tng from the start again, completely fascinated by the stories and characters. I really do think that poisonous fan bases are more responsible for the death of many series than people are willing to admit. As someone who was not coloured be years and years of expectations I found myself a little more able to objectify each series. For the enterprise I think being released exactly as is 5 years later could have made all the difference.
I agree
Instead of the Zindi arc... I wish they had covered the Romulan War instead. Now we will have to wait another generation probably before that gets covered. I am 54, born in 64 during the last year of the Baby Boom.
I agree completely... though I loved the Dominion War arc in DS9.
I'm watching through Enterprise right now with my wife, and considering we've been watching all of Trek, Enterprise is really good, even in season 1. I appreciate the tighter inter-episode cohesion, how there's episodes referencing more episodes, how they do not forget things that had happened only episodes ago and if anything actively strove to interweave them into the greater narrative. The only other ST show that tried to do anything similar was DS9, but this is a lot smoother a process, you can tell the people making DS9 were just learning how to do longer, multi-episode plot arcs.
Honestly, my favorite SF TV show is Babylon 5 bc of the integrated plot arcs, how there were basically no "filler" or oneoff episodes. While ST can't fully do that (bc if that was done it wouldn't quite be ST anymore), I appreciate the more robust worldbuilding that resulted when they tried to mimic elements of what B5 did. And if I love Enterprise now, I sure as heck am going to love Season 3 and 4!
The Andorians were freaking awesome.
See the thing with the Enterprise ship design I can appreciate the effort put into solving the prequel conundrum. They had to make a new ship with new graphics look old, and I honestly think they did a good job. By making it look and feel like a RL modern warship, with some updated features, but without a lot of the comforts of the TOS or later eras, it felt to me like what an earth spaceship would look like, and making the transition to TOS not feel too jarring, since it was made with an entirely different design philosophies by a lot of different races with different design philosophies influencing each other. Discovery, on the other hand, doesn't feel like it has made the same effort. They have simply updated the graphics to a modern aesthetic without any regard for why there is so much design disparity. While Enterprise felt like a good faith effort to integrate a prequel in the best way they could at the time, Discovery just felt like they wanted to use their special effects budget and assets taken from the JJ-verse. It doesn't feel like the same care or effort was put in, and that's why it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Maybe I'm missing something crucial that makes it all make sense, but as of now I'm just not feeling the love of Trek in the new series, the respect for what came before, or the care and dedication that needs to go into making a good show. Who knows, maybe time will tell, but I'm not holding my breath at present.
Nah, I think you are right.
I liked ENTERPRISE. Seeing T'Pol (almost) nude didnt hurt.
LOL Im sure it didnt :P
Yeah, she sure was hot.
why not blond T'pol maby she wanted to be with humans being more acceptive of blond hair not every Vulcan had to be the same look at Seven of Nine in the future mixed rases was unavoidable Enterprise J Spock was a mixed baby look at his brilliant carreer
T’Pol almost nude.....AGREED!!
I would say the female fanservice was a misstep (it was done too obviously, though that was only really the one scene). But, to be fair, we did get to see the boys shirtless and sweaty fairly often as well!
Every Trek series is unique in its own way. That’s why I love all of them 💙
Me too!
so do I ALL of them are great .,.ALL OF THEM.
The Temporal Cold War and the Xindi story arc was some of the best writing in all the Trek series.
Eh, I feel like they could have done more with the temporal cold war, but I still really liked it
Caleb Friesen it would have kept going if they had given them a full 7 seasons
The season finale felt like a cruel joke. JK... It's just a hologram. Everyone's dead. The end.
"So that's what would've happened if I'd invented the finglonger."
- Professor Farnsworth
I was very disappointed with the finale. It felt very forced and was poorly done.
Trip's death wasn't even necessary.
@@CardboardSliver Indeed.. But can you remember the episode were we thought in the beginning of the Episode that Trip died and lies in a coffin? The first time i saw that, i was shocked... until the moment we saw what was happened and he survives..
The moment he really died, i felt empty.. he was one of the characters i liked the most... totally unnecessary indeed...
They had to wrap it up G. Can you really blame them on being abruptly axed as a series?
Unpopular opinion, but I liked the Xindi war arc. There were some good episodes and some good moments as well as some space battle action and political intrigue. Coming off watching DS9 in syndication, this was what I wanted to see.
I liked the Xindi Arc as well!
Not an unpopular opinion with me; Series 3 of Enterprise as the best series of any of the Star Trek shows.
Huge fan of season 3 of Enterprise. And I was a huge TNG fan before that. I see no contradiction in liking both for what they individually offer.
It was their defining alien, for me.
TNG had the borg. DS9 had the Dominion, and Enterprise had the Xindi. Many of the 'original' alien survive from TOS, but don't feel like they belong as fully in those franchises. Not being as weak as simple fan service, but well...
It appears to be something of a consensus among fans that the Xindi arc was where the series really got its footing, and I agree. And it makes sense given the time frame. No Federation yet to "glue" the many civilizations together. It seems...logical...to assume the early years would be fraught with conflict and even outright war.
Enterprise is actually my favorite 🤣
What is it you love about it?
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics To be honest it is probably one of my favorites due to the more modern take and graphics. Compared to TNG, DS9 and Voyager that is (the recent movie adaptations of the same name don't really interest me at all).
Though as someone who grew up in the early 2000's it was easy for me to get into this series and understand everything, to me it was like an introduction. Instead of being like "yeah someone 200 years ago did this thing and it was the first time ever, and someone has already fixed this problem this way 50 times" and all the WAY future tech, with Enterprise its more...grounded, we learn about new things as the crew does, and nobody else in the series knows about them, so we get a first time kind of vibe.
Yes the update I now a days, appreciate! It's probably one of the things I liked about DSC... And I agree it's easy to understand and had what I believe to be a more modern take on Trek... It's unfortunate it ended as it did... :(
Mine too! It looks great (and not overdone like the kelvin movies or STD), its characters are far more relatable and fleshed out, most episodes dare to not solve some mysteries (remember the shroomies?), and I think the Temporal Cold War is the greatest idea in the history of sci-fi. I'd actually watch a series showing TCW at all its fronts. Finally, its humor puts the Orville to shame. Sure, there are a few episodes I just skip, but that's true for every series (especially TOS, it's the same 5-6 plots repeated over and over again).
Same here. I actually like Voyager and Enterprise more than DS9. They both had more exploration of the unknown, where surprises happened more often. Everything seems more genuine although the Voyager's time is more diplomatic and civilized in nature (Federation). During the Enterprise time the crew was more relateable to someone who is naive about what was out there. They actually seemed more like us today if we were now venturing into space.
I enjoyed Enterprise. The first two seasons were rough but that's par for the course. I can't think of a single Trek series that didn't struggle the first couple seasons. Voyager lasted 3 seasons longer than it deserved, imo while Enterprise was cut at least 2 seasons short when it was just getting good. Also, I think there was Trek burnout at that point. TNG and DS9 ran back to back for a good two or three years before TNG ended its 7 season run and then Voyager immediately followed on the heels of DS9 with Enterprise only a year or two after that.
TNG and DS9 was about world building. Enterprise was mostly about establishing and justifying Starfleet and the Federation's well-earned existence.
Pros-
We got to see smaller scale stories early on.
Established how Starfleet obtained some of the established tech from TOS and beyond, like Phasers, Shields and Photon Torpedos.
Expanded the culture of the Vulcans and especially Andorians- Shran
A much smaller, enclosed ship which helped to reinforce the tightness and smaller scope of Enterprise as a series.
Cons-
None of the new enemies that were encountered in Enterprise were particularly memorable, the Xindi(bad ones) and the Suliban don't quite hold up like the Cardassians or Dominion as far as newer threats go. Still better than Voyager's Hirogan and Kazon.
The Temporal Cold War
Scott Bakula's hammyness. I like Scott Bakula and thought he made a good Archer but there were a lot of cringe-inducing scenes when he'd get up on that righteous pedestal.
Not enough Shran
I actually kind of like that Captain Archer held some prejudice toward the Vulcans. His father's research in warp drive was held back by the Vulcan council so Archer had underlying reasons for his prejudice but it also humanizes the character. Archer wasn't a saint and definitely had his flaws.
A great comment, though it should be noted that "the Fatigue" defense is used too often without explanation... The Fatigue happened because each Trek series used the same mundane formula over and over again in it's shows, and by the time they tried to change that formula it was just too late, the damage had been done...
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Good point
Thank you, though it is unfortunate :(
Enterprise was the best of all the Star Trek series.
I like Star Trek: Enterprise way more than Star Trek: Discovery.
Im actually on a par
I refuse to watch Discovery. It's too much of a departure from the established universe in TOS.
@@TheMaineSurveyor yep
I like Enterprise waaaaay better than Voyager. Janeway made me so angry with her progressive preechiness frequently endangering the crew with her nonesense. I did love Tuvok though.
Q (no pun intended): What's worse Trek than Discovery?
A: There is no Trek worse than Discovery.
Star Trek Enterprise is my favorite in the series. It is a shame that it didn't get more love than it did. But neither did the TOS series until after it was canceled. Nice job.
It IS a HUGE shame :) And thank you!
Yeah, I was excited about some of the other plans for season five, like adding some of the races from the animated series. I think that if they had been given a fifth season fans would have really responded well to it because it was intended to touch on more 'history' that was referenced in TOS such as the Earth Romulan war and the prelude to the Four Years war with the Klingons. Paramount made plenty of mistakes for sure, but I think the fandom could have helped by showing support. Instead of criticizing a series, we should let the creators know what we want. Welcome back, Captain Picard.
That’s very true. I loved it a lot. I loved all the series. My favourites were TNG, ENT and DS9.
@@nicholasdickens2801 Ive NEVER been able to pin down a Fav when it comes to Star Trek... Ive loved them all for various different reasons...
Winston Archer it seemed like it was just coming into its own. The finale, in my opinion, is legend
Loved Enterprise.
Season 3 the xindi was the best season of the series. Enterprise is really good. TOS has a legend status that you cant compete with.
When you say that enterprise looks more advanced than tos enterprise I have to disagree. If anything it looks less advanced with more visual cues to NASA and current space programs. Its along the lines of sg1s Prometheus compared to an Asgard ship
Im just quoting what the general fanbase believed at the time!
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics
So your saying the problems the fanbase had with the show were caused by a fractured fanbase not getting what it wanted when it wanted it.
@@StumpyDaPaladin No Im saying that the fan base was growing and developing like the rest of the people in the world... And Star Trek was refusing to grow and develop along with them...
TriAngulum Audio Studios based on what?
Cut to 10 years later and we in the real world are already using touch screen panels almost exclusively. We already have many of the capabilities they had in tng computer wise and by our enterprise era it will no doubt seem primitive in the extreme to our ancestors. TOS will be laughably primitive by that time in a visual sense at the very least. I think people underestimate how far we can go in a short amount of time. The more advanced we get the faster technology advances so we can achieve the impossible well before any logical human estimation can guess at. In any sense things have to change in our science fiction cannon for it to remain relevant, let alone believable. The tech in enterprise was more advanced in some ways and less in others compared to TOS, but it's aesthetic is more in line with current technology of the time it was made. They took that aesthetic and technology ten times further with discovery and it's probably the most accurate representation yet for all we know. If they go along with the plans for the Picard series and possible ds9 return I expect we'll see much of the same. I don't see a problem with that really and I'm a big time trek fan.
Would love to see more seasons of ENT. Next to DS9, which also required some seasons for taking off, my favorite ST series. Give it a chance again CBS. The story has so much potential still today, maybe especially today.
I liked it. I even, contrary to almost anybody I've ever talked to, liked the opening theme song, even though it sounded like an early 90's sitcom theme song.
I like the opening theme too! at least before they made it up-tempo. It was emotional, and in 30 secodns with a few pictures it told you exactly what this was! Here you are, viewer, this is the next stage in a long history of human exploration. This isnt the first enterprise, and it wont be the last enterprise.
Theme song has such a good sentiment.
Enterprise is my favorite of the series runs. It has a wholesome quality about it. That's why I got my daughter hooked on it when she was quite little (a few risque moments, but pretty wholesome in it's storyline). Reminds me of the type of show they would have been proud of back in the beginning.... Of course, I'm not a Trecky & don't mind the differences between the various takes on the original concept. As an artist, I'm fine with using one's artistic license to change things up a bit.
Yes, exactly. One of the best things about Star Trek is that Star fleet officers are decent people.
Yeah, I recall being surprised when Enterprise was cancelled. For me, it had just found it's feet. The Xindi arc, making it unique rather than retreading over canon, and other 'first' encounters.
Personally, I find when SF goes to prequels, there's too much fan service, and reverence for canon, and too little new writing. I'm looking forward to the 'Picard' series, at least it will forge it's way forward, whether it succeeds or fails, it will break new ground.
I agree, I have a feeling the new Picard series will be epic!
I know what you mean about finding its own feet in its last season. Voyager ad the year of hell which in the end was two episodes maybe three, but with the final season of enterprise they really had a year of hell and it really stood out that these are the real pioneers out on the frontier with little assistance and no replicators. Wish they could have shown more seasons building from that
I was disappointed it was cancelled as well, I also liked Stargate Atlantis, which suffered an early demise.
Enterprise has been a favourite for so long! Felt like life was really on the line. That the Galaxy could be dangerous. I still think about that episode where Archer had to steal an engine part from another ship to complete his mission; Picard and the rest would never do that (and I love Picard too).
Besides, we had Jolene Blalock looking ultra-sexy in the mirror universe too ;-)
YabusameUK - Let's give a shout out to the TriAngulum Audio Studios for their edit of this clip. Over and over he mentions special effects and the scene turns to, say, 7:57 or 7:50 in rapid succession, and the look on Spock's face, and the fact that Harry Mudd was exactly my reaction to the whole thing. And did I mention T'Pol? Or was that you?
Shed look ultra sexy in any universe :)
Star Trek: Enterprise is by far my favorite Star Trek. However, I do not consider myself a hardcore fan of Start Trek in general. What I really liked about Star Trek: Enterprise was that they tried to explain a lot of stuff even though it is completely made up and arbitrary and not taking it as granted which was very suitable considering that this was a prequel where a lot of the common start trek technologies are introduced one after another. I also liked the characters very much. The whole rationality vs intuition debate which was presented in form of the Vulcans and T'Pol specifically was great, too (very philosophical in this respect imo). However, the intro and especially the intro song are so annoying , I hate it xD
You are very wise my friend and i agree with what you said, i too dismissed Enterprise when it aired as another cash in on the Star Trek franchise and did not watch it on tv at the time.
I came to it about 5 years ago on DVD when i decided to buy season one thinking well the box set cost me about £ 12 so if its rubbish well i have lost very little.
After getting off to a slow start especially with the pilot episode ( How any Star Trek ever got green lit on their pilot shows is a mystery to me) i began to quite enjoy it. I bought the remaining seasons knowing i would not be dissapointed, and at the end i was sad that the series had not gone on to say 7 seasons and explored some of the making of the federation and Star Fleet in greater detail. Now i except it as part of the Star Trek universe more easily than say Discovery or the Kelvin time line movies so much so that in 2016 when my wife and i got married we used Enterprise them as our wedding tune.
Thank you for a great analysis.
Thank you so much :) I did a LOT of research on this episode to make sure I fully grasped the issue... :)
I mean, to be perfectly honest, I’d much rather watch ENT than DIS. I really can’t see why on earth they decided to make *another* prequel. One was enough...
I disagree, for two main reasons:
First: In 2019, it's getting more and more difficult to set a show in the future that has such limited technology. A LOT has changed since the 1960s (TOS) and the 1980s (TNG) and to be honest, the entire concept of a spaceship operated by people the way a naval vessel of the mid-20th century is operated (with captains, helmsmen, etc) is pretty much absurd at this point. It's 200 years earlier than the settings of these shows and we already have self-driving cars, for crying out loud. It's getting more and more ridiculous to pretend that humans, rather than AI, would be operating spaceships in the 2300s. But that's the narrative world that has been carved out thus far, and that's what we're stuck with. That said, any narrative attempts to push the timeline out any further but still have a "bridge crew" model will just get sillier and sillier. At least by setting a show as a prequel it's still possible to suspend disbelief about that sort of stuff because it has already been established. But setting a show in another century post-TNG (the way TNG was a century post-TOS) would require some sort of acknowledgment of what we now know about tech advances. Making Discovery a prequel is the best narrative way to get around that.
Then there are the practical considerations of studios and platforms like Netflix being willing to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a new show. Discovery must be one of the most expensive shows ever made, and investors want to see a return on their investment. I know a lot of the fans think they own Star Trek and that the studios and networks should make a show that appeals to the hardest-core of the hardcore fans, but from a financial standpoint that's a non-starter. The Trek series and films (pre-Kelvin) were losing audiences year over year. After the death of Enterprise, no one wanted to invest the money in yet another show that was based on the same basic premise ("The Weekly Adventures of the Bridge Crew") but with yet more new, unknown characters, because the evidence was clear that this model was providing diminishing returns. From a financial standpoint, the studios had to find ideas that would not just pull in people that already liked the show, but would also draw a broader audience. And the best way to do that was with familiarity. Whether the hardcore fans like it or not, the Kelvin-verse reboot made a hell of a lot more money than the last couple of TNG-cast movies. And that is the same thinking behind setting Discovery as a p[requel to the Kirk-era. It allows them a lot of creative freedom to fill in the gaps between the Enterprise-series timeframe and the TOS timeframe, while giving casual viewers and potential fans something familiar to latch on to in terms of the "Spock's sister" concept. I thought it was a brilliant premise, an have enjoyed the hell out of the fresh start for a universe that was growing increasingly stale. Hopefully, over time, more of the hardcore fans people will embrace the show; I am just grayeful to have a Trek show to be excited about again.
Enterprise is the best of the golden era trek series. I cannot understand the hate it gets. I disagree with almost everything you said here.
Im sorry you disagree but your personal feelings aside everything I said was the general feeling of the fanbase as a whole!
I guess the fanbase was just oversaturated, any other show would have failed as well.
@@TriAngulumStudiosAudioComics Yes, the Vulcans were condescending, yes there was still some bigotry in characters. That was a strength, not a fault. It's pre glorious federation we all love. The problems we struggle with today didn't vanish overnight. Enterprise showed said problems; and showed the characters dealing with them, and overcoming them. Which to me, makes it very Trek
They were overdoing it, but that's not why there were problems. By overdoing they created camps in the fandom; thus making the problems that lead to it.
Enterprise can't be the best of the golden age Trek shows, because the golden age would only include the original series and the animated series. The Berman era would be the silver age.
Actually Enterprise was brilliant - a wonderful connector between us and the Star Trek world.
I though the series was awesome show.
DS9 didn’t go far enough? Jeesh man. They went further than any Trek show before or since!
Didnt go far enough in terms of the development and changes in what the audience started to want in a series
TriAngulum Audio Studios not sure of that. DS9 took everything Trek was and turned it on it’s head. DS9 was literally a fight and a war for the Utopia the Federation was perceived to be. It became the serialized drama Trek needed. If anything, it was Voyager that had veered so far off its original concept. Where as it should’ve looked like a Galactica or Star Gate Universe (which follows it) type show, it turned into a Next Gen wannabe
Agreed. DS9 touched on a lot of the more serious aspects of the series war Enterprise wouldn't touch. Siege of AR-558 and It's Only a Paper Moon anyone? To name just two...
@ironduke0775 Referring to Sisko's closing monologue I take it? That sure was something. I can live with it...
DS9 in particular faced war head on, no series had done that before. It also kept the fact that war always breaks down. Even when it showed the seeming stronger Dominion, there was always tension specifically because the "enemy" were solids: virtually EVERY other species.
What do you think about Orville ?I like Orvile much better than STD cause it feels like TNG
I like the Orville but it's not like Trek at all in any iteration! Its its own unique product that pokes fun at many scifi series and should appreciated as that! ALSO please note, the Abbreviation for Star Trek: Discovery is DSC or Disco if you prefer... Abbreviating it to STD is NOT allowed in these forums, thank you... LLAP
I like Orville because it isn't like Star Trek (any of them). I like Discovery because it is a modern, fresh reboot of the Star Trek universe. The winners online are those that don't like change. They'll argue that isn't the case, but when you get to the root of their comments, that is what it is.
I PHUQIN' LUVV THE ORVILLE! But then, I'm a Seth MacFarlane fan from the beginning of "Family Guy" lol
Orville is like Star Trek if the cameras kept rolling and there was no video editing. I mean come on, you don't think Riker got a few practical jokes "off screen?"
For me, Seth Macfarlane and Star Trek just don't mix, no matter how much the production looks like the Berman years.
My favorite thing about enterprise is Trip, and the nuts & bolts aesthetic of the engine room
Seeinh weyoun as andorian is still funny 😀😋
He played a ferengi, Brunt, on deep space 9 as well. Was the only actor to have played 2 different characters on 1 episode actually.
I think currently Enterprise is my favorite of the Star Trek Series. By seasons 3 and 4, it was just really well done. And the characters are ones that I miss. My wife even liked it.
Luckily, the stories are continued in book form. Though the books are not as good as season 4, at least so far.
Sadly books never are :(
I liked some episodes from seasons 1 & 2, but I don't think the series really got good until season 3. Season 4 was by far my favorite season. By season 4, I was absolutely loving the show and was sad it got cancelled, however, I still think the show didn't do too bad. We got some really good episodes, even in the first 2 seasons, but especially in season 4, so I can't complain too much. My only real big complaint about the show was the lousy final episode and the fact that we never got to see the Earth/Romulan War before the show got axed. But overall, I really liked the show. My dad wasn't a big fan of the show. But he never really gave the show a chance. He seen an episode here and there, but that was it. I tried so hard to get him into the show, but he simply wouldn't watch it. Recently he had started to watch the show simply because he was getting tired of watching the same old Trek over and over. It wasn't long before he told me that he was sorry he never gave the show a chance until now. He really liked it, and a lot of the episodes in seasons 3 & 4 and even a couple in seasons 1 & 2, he said he thought they were the best Star Trek episodes he had ever seen. He's now a big fan of the show like I am.
@@jerobriggs6861 That seems to be the general reaction to the show people give now a days when they go back to watch it again...
Books? I must look for these! I never knew! Thanks! Errrm " kapla!" ( i think! Haha) best regards, i agree with you.
The books are what puts Enterprise as my second favorite series of Trek behind DS9. The Good That Men Do, Kobayashi Maru, and the Rise Of The Federation series all feel like the stories the show wanted to tell had they been given 7 seasons like TNG, DS9 & Voyager got to have.
I still rewatch the show and love the story,Ive of it, it make me want to join Starfleet.😊😊
Enterprise became good in Season 4...pity they cancelled it afterwards
I'm 56 -I was brought up watching *Captain James Tiberius Kirk* & his crew on N.C.C. 1701 inital voyage way back in 1966 (I was 5 years old) - So that old show which was cutting edge back then - Is engrained in my mind - And although I have watched every subsiquent star trek related offering since ? - I enjoyed Enterprise the best - and that intro showing mans leap into the atmosphrere in the past decade or so - And *Scott Bakula Was great as Captain Johnathan Archer* (Scotts great in everything he does)
... One thing I was not taken up with was when hollywood Glossed & Glammed up the original Star Trek -Although I do like these new 'Young' Star Trek movies - the beginings sort to speak ! - Strange but there you go !
Live long & what ever ???
I love Scott Bakula, but I felt he was phoning in his performances, or too tightly constrained in his portrayal of Archer, whom I also disliked as a character. He was the biggest draw for me, and I was thrilled when he was cast, but I was very disappointed. That performance aside, he is an incredibly talented guy, so I have to think he was just given bad material to work with. Not bad by everyone's standard, I guess, but mine, certainly.
Prosper, my friend. Live long and prosper.
The only thing I disliked about this show was the opening credits song.
Same 🤣🤣
This, im rewatching it on Netflix atm, i fucking have to get out of bed and skip the intro every episode, i just cant do it.
I'm with you, WOLFY. Rod Stewart does not fit into and Star Trek intro song to begin with.
I agree
Spot on, have the same problem with a lot of TV Show music, but especially the Enterprise music.
i personaly love STE because i remeber my dad was watching it and i asked what he was watching and i joined him and he told me a bit about star trek and i just loved it from there on, i believe it was an episode with the xindi, the time travel one
Same here! Some of my favorite memories with my dad
Hmmmm....fortunately for me i dont give a damn about what other people think when deciding if i like something or not. To be influenced by other peoples taste is like letting someone decide what food YOU will eat at a restaurant! That said( as as a treck fan since early childhood) i ENJOYED " Enterprise". I didn't like ds9 very much but it was..." Ok". TOS , STNG, Voyager, yes liked them all( though Janeway could be a bit to" preachy" at times she was still ok). I disagree with the idea that the NX01 looks more advanced than the ncc1701. The twin nacelles ( cant remember the correct term!) Are very reminiscent of ww2 fighters such as the p38 lightening. Kirks ship looks more ...efficient. Overall i am sad that Enterprise is so often made the " whipping boy" of the trek franchise by ,lets say" overzealous and somewhat intolerant" fans. Even so, in the spirit of TOS i would say to all fans " live long and prosper" ( been dying to find opportunity to say that for years! Haha) best regards.
Thank you, Peace and Long Life!
In the mirror universe episode we had a direct comparison between NX and Constitution class, and they really managed to make the Defiant look far more advanced than the Enterprise. Great show
Also remember that Gene Roddenberry, who designed the NCC1701 was a pilot and partly designed Enterprise after known aircraft, specifically fighters. So the comparison is apt.
Matt Jefferies designed the original Enterprise. Gene Roddenberry had actually no idea how such a starship should look like.
@@braveintofuture You are correct, Roddenberry did NOT design the Enterprise...
I loved this rendition. Denobulans are vastly under appreciated. Wish they woulda ended it properly vs what we got
I don't mind the change in tech. TOS while ground breaking for its time was an old show on a low budget so it makes sense that show would have less advanced looking tech.
blindmansg 1..
Right after Next Generation came out, I read an article that said the operating budget for one episode would have funded "Captain Kirk" for his entire TV existence.
@@michaelhendrickson5287 oh dang.
It is a prequel, you can't have advanced tech!
Archer deserves credit for being one of the greatest captains of all time
Enterprice nx-01 it one of the best ...
I will take Enterprise over Voyager any day.
True Voyager was so, so bad. Baffled it lasted 7 seasons.
Agreed, Voyager didn't deliver on the characters and overdid with the tech
Agreed. I don’t hate Voyager but Enterprise is so much more watchable.
ryanlynn Voyager has its merits
I mean consider this:
A Federation starship that gets hurled 75 light-years from its home system while on a mission to capture a group of criminals and retrieve the officer that had infiltrated that group which leads the crews of both vessels to team up to make an attempt to return to their home Star system despite the fact that the majority of the Crew wouldn't survive to see the end of that journey as it would take 75 years at the ship's maximum speed to make this journey
Karl Smith
Voyager could travel 75 light years in a couple of days.
I saw one or two episodes when it first aired and just wasn't enthused enough to stick with it. Recently I watched them all on Netflicks back to back and think it wasn't as bad as some claimed it was. Sure there are some things I might have changed as they seem out of sync with the 60's series but, as you say "on it's own merits" it's not bad. And yes, I liked the Andorians too
Loved STE! It was definitely ahead of its time. Ironic because it was a prequel. 😉
I personally think that Enterprise was a great show
It explored the interaction between the Vulcans and Humans right around the time after first contact how the Vulcans were looked upon with fear and suspicion by the Humans at the time, I mean, seriously, take a look at the episode of Enterprise where Trip has Hoshi translating what he suspected was secret orders from The Vulcan High Command and reads it only to find out that it's a personal letter to T'Pol, And how stingy the Vulcans were with their technology saying that humanity wasn't quite ready for space travel in their point of view
A viewpoint that started changing as the series progressed
I thought it was the schedule shuffle that harmed it most. Weeks of repeats then I'd miss the first of four new eps. Then more repeats. I couldn't remember what day it was on. Not many promos, either. Like they wanted it to fail.
You hit the nail on the head, based upon my similar experience.
At least AXN Hungary was consistent, even if our viewership was like a drop in the ocean for the show.
This was the best Star Trek series since TOS. The stories and character developments were solid. Most of all, it felt like Star Trek. Cowboys in space!
Enterprise was amazing, the fact they cut it short ruined it. The last episode sucked but otherwise an excellent series especially the xindi story .
You should read the books! The story continues. The Good That Men Do is the first to be set after the end of the television series. Trip is alive!
I don't agree; I was okay with them trying to be too clever by half. And Frakes' Riker in that episode seemed like a much more organic and engaging character than what we were used to on TNG.
I agree Enterprise was a great show on it's own. There was problems in it, but nothing a person watching as it own show would not been able to over look. Many people worry to much about the past, not giving the new a chance.
Exactly, and I always separate each show as I think ANY show should stand on it's own merits, not the merits of another show...
The only bad thing was the theme song. Dianne Warren? Really?
One of the biggest problems with the Enterprise series is the Vulcan's denial of their telepathic abilities, while about a century later on the TOS series telepathy while not widely used is an accepted practice. I did like how Enterprise answered Chief O'Brien's question to Warf on DS9 why the Klingon's of the TOS era did not have the forehead ridges he was use to seeing.
Loved the show. Great scripts, awesome effects and awesome actors!!!
Star Trek Enterprise may be the best of the franchise. Yes I would have preferred the ship to be cruder, but Archer was way better than Kirk.
Only Deep Space Nine may have been better, and that was only because its cast was larger.
Each season of star trek was flawed... but I liked this whole cast and show... especially Johnathan Archer as captain.
It's the only version I bought on dvd.
There was just fatigue of the franchise at the time. I recently watched the series again and found myself enjoying it much more. Phlox was a great character and I like the aesthetic and the idea of everything being new and primitive by ST standards. The ship was almost like a submarine which I loved.
The Xindi attack great sci fi tv. Bakula grew into the role hunting the earth attackers. My fave.
enterprise was the best star trek series since the original
I liked it. People take things very personal.
It's the nature of the Star Trek fan Base
Or the definition of individual taste.
I really liked it and i loved the intro music with its history lesson how we got here.
Also the intro for Enterprise is just gorgeous
My problem with Enterprise was not the show, but with Archer. I just never warmed to the character. And star fleet - where the hell was it?
Yeah a LOT of his scenes seemed over acted!
Outstanding assessment of the changes to the style of television and audiences. Neigh-sayers of any new Trek show fail to understand the need to adapt and modernise to a changing audience. Trek has done that, and Discovery is its current iteration. It is Star Trek written for a 21st Centauri audience, not one from the mid 60s. It must change, modernise and adapt- and it continues to do so. I look forward to seeing how Trek continues to adapt to a changing audience (while giving acknowledgement its origins )
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Congrats on having such a well balanced and detailed review. Great work! I wish more youtuber's were as balanced or logical.
I subscribed because of your video about the Webster sitcom crossover.
A sitcom I'd never heard of.
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I really enjoyed the art style of Enterprise, the ship felt right, but either way we were going to have issues with the redesign compared to Tos. I would have hoped that it touched upon the Romulan war.
Me too, though it seemed as though it was headed in that direction!
I also would love to have seen the upgraded version of Enterprise that was planned for the next season--moving closer to the designs seen in the next century. And the inclusion of the Kzinti lol
I wonder when they'd have added more ship designs, like the Deadalaes (?) Class or steps toward it.
I like Star Trek Enterprise a lot and was very unhappy the show was canceled. Here is why. The show takes place in the years 2151-2155. But if the show would have stay on the next year would have been 2156. And what happened in 2156??The Earth - Romulan War started(2156-2160). I figured that is what had to come next.I want my United Earth and Romulan Star Empire War Damn it. O well. What are you going to do.
Indeed, missed opportunity :(
Wonder how deep into it they would've gone. The Romulan War is no shallow idea.
@@lkimberly2064 Well the whole third season was all most entirely about the Xindi war. So it could have taken up a large part of what would have been the 5th. season. If not all of it. I think the trick would have been. Like I'm sure you know. In the Balance of Terror( is my all time favorite Ep. bar none)Mr Spock said. No human, Romulan or ally has ever seen the other. That would have been the hard bit to get around.
@@schristy3637 Yes, that infamous line from Balance of Terror, which was only there so Kirk could tell off a crewman for being racist to Spock, and which has controlled so much of the canon ever since. They did partly address this in Enterprise season 4, when we saw the Romulans using remote-controlled ships. The presence of the Romulan slave race, the Remans (introduced in Nemesis and seen in Enterprise), could also have been a way to get around this. We could have seen drone ships carrying hapless Reman soldiers into battle with no hope of return. Lots of dramatic potential there.
I suppose the question is: Why not start the show closer to that point?
And let us not forget that the original Star Trek series that started this mega franchise only lasted 3 seasons!
When it was on air I disliked it just because of the theme song - it simply didn't sound like Star Trek. A few months ago I was watching all seasons of it on Netflix. I was enjoying it and it is actually a great show that seems to have ended too soon.
I couldn't get into Enterprise when it was on the air because I kept waiting for Captain Archer to "Jump" into his next body. I couldn't disconnect him from Quantum Leap. A couple of years after the show had ended, I was able to get past that and found that I thoroughly enjoyed the show. And the NX-01 is the best looking ship out of the whole Trek universe.
It got even harder to do in that one episode that had Dean Stockwell as a guest star. You were expecting him to tell Archer what body he leaped into this time. :)
I was one that enjoyed Enterprise TV series
For me, this was the best since TOS. It went back to the big three formula, and a little bit of the bickersons. All three of the leads were great, and Scott Bakula got us back to having a down to earth Captain you could relate to. Picard (master thespian, I shall now "act" for you), Sisko (snooze), and Janeway (naptime) collectively couldn't bring the same amount of raw emotion for me as T'Pol and Tripp in their scene dealing with funeral arrangements for Elizabeth. Jolene Blalock's ability to bring her emotions right up to the surface, trying to conceal them, and Connor's openly weeping, the grasping of each other's hands at the end, not too much dialogue, that quality of storytelling deserved a few more seasons.
I don't mind Enterprise, I like that it bought some depth to the Vulcan race. I liked that it was not a perfect universe like TNG. but it had too many cast members, who had interesting backstories, that bought nothing to any episode. if there was no Lt Reed, Mayweather or ensign Sato, would the show be any different?
Hey, that's Empress Sato.
Enterprise didn't bring about the downfall of Star Trek. JJ Abrams did.
Maybe but too much trek weakened it and set it up for Abrams.
I blame Berman and Braga as much as I blame Jar Jar Abrams.
More Berman than Braga I think... if only Ron Moore was on board.
No, Star Trek Nemesis did.