I agree with most of the points you made about GTA 5, but I disagree with the summary to GTA 4, you arrive in America finding that the stories about the American dream you heard were all fake, you go through the criminal ranks to achieve that dream, just for you to realize it was all a lie and your criminal past comes back to haunt you.
I was thinking the exact same thing, GTA IV isn't about achieving the American Dream but rather rising up the ranks and realizing the fallacy of that dream. GTA V is about what happens after you discover that lie and the empty feeling that you get realizing all the sacrifices you made to make it only to find a fake, shatter glass "perfect life".
GTA IV was the last GTA with substance. I almost felt disillusioned for Niko, coming for a better life but having to do so much killing and realizing he will never find peace, put that in with that the 0 saturation of Liberty City and its just depressing. What a fantastic game, deserves a modern remake in the future.
To be honest GTA has always been linear but the old games have been better in that regard, for example in San Andreas if a enemy spot you in a stealth mission it isn't an insta-mission fail or you can be miles away from the mission and still it won't fail the mission (only if you don't have a partner). Is less intuitive yes, but it gives you the freedom to do whatever you want
I wish they'd go back to GTA III's mission structure just more refined, in that game it was just go there and take out a target and you're free to approach the objective more freely rather failing because you didn't kill him/her in the way R* intended you to.
GTA is probably one of the most non linear games in the world. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. There are like thousand of different ways you can pass certain missions in San Andreas. GTA 5 is more linear and scripted than the old 3D era games yes, but you can still do a lot of stuff. Compared to other open world games like Mafia or Watch Dogs, GTA is extremely non linear.
Right? Like aren’t you supposed to do nefarious crimes and have fun with it by getting away with it? Ain’t it crazy how you punch someone and the cops know EXACTLY where you are and attack immediately? Makes the game not fun in every aspect. At least in GTA IV you had to punch someone IN FRONT of the cops for them to do anything.
Outside of Los Santos (Which is smaller than Liberty City) We get a small desert and country town, a military base and another small town near a homeless shelter. Then some random islands and a massive lake, desert and countryside with nothing really in it, except a dam near Los Santos. GTA5's map always felt overly stretched out, full of empty countryside and desert with very few buildings Inbetween. You go online and nobody explores the country (because it's dull) all that land is just there to artificially bloat the map. It feels like a con or a scam. Yeah, it's the biggest map in gaming, but most of it is pointless...
My main problem with GTA V is that the game was obviously made with the intention of focusing on online play. You plan a heist, but don't actually carry out the heist, and then drive to a safe location. In turn this makes the game feel empty. Very poorly done. I think it's Rockstars worse game to date.
I have to disagree with what you said about gta 4. It definitely depicts the American reality, Niko believes (partly to the fault of Roman) that by coming to America all his problems will be solved, as many immigrants both past and present believe, however once they get here they realize the truth as Niko did.
Nah ur 100% right, this is my biggest regret w this vid. In my heart i knew i was cheesing the gta 4 analysis for the sake of presenting the duality between 4 and 5 and if i could i would change my wording about 4
Not only it's memorable It's also meme-orable. Just look at how many missions were turned into memes, even people who never played the games know the memes.
I remember when i play GTA 4 i Hate it as a kid When doing around 16 or 17 i hated myself because i sold that game And when i got the oportunity to play GTA episodes from liberty City, Man, that was a fantástic experience
That's the one game that genuinely is not for kids. I mean like it actively repels them. Kids play for the dumb tomfoolery like in Vice City, Sna Andreas or even 5. But 4 just doesn't have that 'amusement park' like feel. It's like a kid watching Joker. The R-rating aside, he would really be bored/traumatized and would hate it. Only later on as a more wiser person would he understand what actually the game or movie was about. And THAT'S the moment of realisation of true brilliance. I hated GTA 4 and Niko when I was a kid too. Only later do I realise what the game was supposed to be. To this day I have GTA 4 installed on my system.
@@shiveshsingh3169 that's interesting. I'm glad you came to like GTA 4 later on. idk why I loved GTA 4 as a kid even though all the seriousness flew over my head back then. Niko voice actor got my attention and I really liked the atmosphere and gameplay
This video perfectly explains my feelings towards Rockstar as a whole since 2012. As someone whose played every GTA after 2001 in their prime with even hundreds of hours in Grand Theft Auto 4 Multiplayer I was extremely disappointed with GTA 5 after the 2nd day of its release in 2013. Prior to release I read every single official article and the game was no where as in depth as they made it out to seem prior to release. The game was extremely short with 69 missions. I don’t even think i ever finished ANY Grand Theft Auto in just two sittings. Not even the GTAs on the PlayStation Portable. It’s unfortunate that this game forever changed the impression of this series due to it being so popular for almost a decade. Kids will hold this game as a standard for future Grand Theft Autos because thats all they ever knew. Also at 3:16 Big smokes order wasn’t that big he was the one ordering for everyone in the car. The joke was after he put everyone’s order in he got a number 7 then proceeded to get two number 45s which causes everyone to look at him. But his fatass ate everyone’s food instead of shooting because he probably was apart of the setup.
Agreed. I had huge fun playing the story and loved the open world possibilities, but it could have been significantly better very easily. For example, I loved Maude's missions, they were my favourite as she just gave you a photo of a house or some other small location and you had to figure where on the map that was. It was quite a contrast to most of the other missions which just told you where to go. And COMPLETELY agree with GTAO now being some sci-fi looney tunes mess. After not playing GTAO for a couple years, then a year ago tried to get back into - played it once, haven't touched it again.
Worst thing is that I feel like I always felt that GTA V was a boring and empty game, but brainwashed myself like majority into believing the game wasn't, and I was just tired of games or something. I remember my time playing GTA V was mostly me trying to either forcibly roleplay, cause chaos, cause chaos with cheats, do side-missions, cause chaos to ruin missions for fun, or do chaos again. GTA V is really a real-life version of Skyrim.
For me, it was one of the first exploring open-world type games I ever played so, I thoroughly enjoyed when first time playing it. I might have a different opinion playing it now. Same with Skyrim.
The games storyline is ridiculous, sloppy and some parts made zero sense. It has. Great graphics and great soundtrack but that's it! Michael was annoying, his family was annoying, Trevor was unnecessarily violent and Franklin was simple minded yet the most normal one. I've never heard the N-word so much in my life and I'm from Detroit! 🤦🏽♀️
@@AnAdorableWombat1 Tbh, the soundtrack of V kinda sucks imo. I love almost every station in SA, III, IV and Vice City, but could only like a few stations in V. V's really held back by having less of a handpicked soundtrack and more of a "hey, let's just include what's popular now"
@@BlackLotusVisualArchiveReally, i only like los santoa rock radio since i love the genre and a few pop songs, like "the music sounds better with you". everything else was so bland and boring. i only laughed my ass off when i heard the "i woke up in a new bugatti" song. wheres my vladivostok fm or my k-rose. gta 4 had a way better ost
@@woofer3284Skyrim at least has random encounters, world building, diverse scenery, lots of lore and mission variety… GTA V on the other hand? Drive around in a car, shoot random civilians, play a mini game every once a blue moon, do heists, and that’s about it really….
Man I could never get into gta 5 story so I went back to San Andreas, I still play it each day, I even got it on my phone, and I sold GTA 5, (the loading screen simulator on my PS4) in a month after I got it and finished the story and forgot the characters too.
Fr this game consistently forces us to do mundane tasks like this is what we would want to do in a game about killing people and robbing banks and doing whatever we want, and lifting crates not being one of them.
@@princevegeta6765 I don't know how anyone would think that missions like those would be a good idea. I also wish that gta5 would let you commit crimes to make money, besides robbing gas stations.
I was glad to see you showed NakeyJakey's video on how Rockstar's game design is outdated. That is one of my favorite videos that I point people to as an explanation for why RDR2 disappointed me from a gameplay perspective (loved the story though). Too much 'realism' and not enough fun things to do outside of the linear story missions. I am concerned for the future of Rockstar's titles and I truly hope they are listening to all of this criticism.
I hope not. I want linear mission design in Rockstar Games. If you want free mission design then go play Watch Dogs Legion or Ubisoft games. If free mission design is your blueprint then Ubisoft should be your favorite publisher. Free mission design lacks creativity and innovation. It’s lazy, repetitive and tedious. Go here and clear this camp. GTA V missions are varied, engaging. That’s why it sells way more than Watch Dogs.
@@ahrlj24 I think you misinterpreted what I was getting at. I didn’t mention free mission design at all. I have my own issues with Ubisofts titles and the way they implement free mission design. I like the cinematic story missions in rockstar games, but I do think that the missions should allow players try and solve problems in their own way and not result in an immediate “mission failed” if you try to be creative. You can definitely have the objective guides for Rockstar’s way to do the mission and just not force the player to follow them, I feel like that would be a good way to handle it. But my main issues with RDR2 lie in gameplay mechanics like excessive travel times without RDR1’s fast travel system, hunting being way too perfectionist to be fun considering how long it takes to track down a 3 star animal of the particular animal you need, camp upgrades not serving a purpose to the flow of the story in any way, not being able to travel to the west as Arthur, etc. I also didn’t like how there really were not enough side missions/side characters to fill the massive open world space in each chapter, I think a more condensed map like RDR1 would have worked better.
@@dyinglightboyz6415 I just bought GTAV again for my Series X for 20 euros just to see how the enhanced next-gen version holds up. After playing it for 15 minutes I was done with it already lol.. and I already got refunded. I don't understand what people see in this 10 year old game anymore, played the heck out of it back in the day but it really aged badly even the "enhanced" version.
@@VonDutchNL I’ve tried to get back on so many times after so many years. It just reminds of me of how great it could have been so I can’t do it anymore lol like I would have never thought they would keep adding BS on top of BS year after year. Man speaking of years, the world has changed dramatically since the release of this game tbh. Damn lol
Honestly, the best part of RDR2 and GTAV for me was the world. How immersive it was, how pretty it looked, it was great Edit: The gameplay was poo poo after a while though.
8:13 - A game with a campaign satirising capitalist America, has become itself what it set out to criticise. It's so true, I never thought about it that way, and had a genuine distaste for GTAV online, but hearing you say it made me think 'Holy shit! That's what it is I really dislike about it".
The only time that I loved GTA was when I was a child and it was fun to kill innocent people for hours. When I played GTA as an adult, it was fun to kill people for about 30 minutes, and then actually try to play the missions and see that they are some of the worst and boring missions I ever played in gaming.
@TH-cam Will delete this I know. That's why I said they haven't played them before. GTA 5's mission design is leagues better. Better yet, the 3d GTA's.
Read dead 2 was sooooo boring story wise. I literally would prefer doing anything else besides the story mode. Almost lost it when it basically turns into a farming simulator towards the end of the game.
@@Hitman7xx RDR2 is the most boring game I have ever had the misfortune of playing. I can't imagine how pissed I would have been if I hadn't pirated it.
Personally i vastly prefer 4. the combat was a hell of a lot more fun. Shooting some asshole in the knee then watch him roll down the flight of stairs never gets old. Plus i just liked the characters and story far more. I found 5 to be pretty boring after the first playthrough.
4 isn't bad but I found the world to explore very dull and boring. They might be just creating a realistic game but still....since, it's an open world game. I think the world in V was colorful and more fun to explore.
My main problem with gta 5's story is it's massive plot holes that make no sense whatsoever For example Franklin just automatically becomes a part of Michael's life after he breaks into his house and steals his son's car then comes asking for a beer, in reality somebody like Michael would've told him to get lost. Another thing that doesn't make sense is how Michael came to the conclusion that a tennis coach could afford a 2 million dollar house in the hills, you can't even say that he was pissed off so he wasn't thinking straight because he literally says he already knew that the guy lived up in the hills somewhere, of all people how did he think a dude who hits balls for a living could afford a hillside mansion, then again it was Michael who used a line that he's known for by people who he didn't get confirmation were dead, to intimidate a witness to an armed robbery that he left alive, Michael was actively trying to prolong the plot, and the whole time afterwards he complains about how horrible his life got which he also directs towards Trevor and the FIB when really he's ultimately the reason for all of his problems, what a hypocrite🤦♂️. Moving on, the second biggest plot hole in the story is how Trevor found Michael, several red flags popped up with this entire part, first off Trevor finding out Michael was alive because he overheard a conversation on the news while he was in the middle of fucking someone over the counter just felt forced as hell, and the fact that he sent Wade of all people instead of Ron to go find Michael and he somehow easily found him made the entire thing even more forced, No seriously, he sent the dumbest character in the game to go find someone in a big ass city where anybody can have the same name and alias, and it's beyond me how he was somehow smart enough to look through the phone directory and found someone who matches Michael's description despite not having the name he was looking for, and also you would think that someone who's currently being hidden by the Government would be a little more hard to find than just looking through a phone directory, and to top it all off Trevor somehow automatically knew Michael's address and that he was living in a mansion, like Wade didn't even give him any directions or anything he just knew where to go right off the bat. This whole segment was goofy as hell and was the most forced part of the game just to move the plot forward, and what makes it all the more forced is that Trevor just so happened to be living in a small town that's right next to city where Michael was at, I'd understand if it was Liberty City, Vice City anywhere else, no they put him in a place right next to where Michael was living, even tho the story made a point that Trevor despised everything about Los Santos even calling it the city of shitheads, yet he was living right next to said shit hole for the last 10 years and never visited once. On the topic of Trevor finding out shit about Michael it doesn't make a whole lot of sense how he figured out Brad was dead, like seriously the shit came right out of left field and wasn't even hinted at him starting to find out about it before hand, it also doesn't make sense how he thought Brad was writing letters to him from a prison cell, yes it was bound to happen but had little build up, and then there's the cliche of them both arriving to North Yankton at the same time and Michael walks up to Trevor as he's digging the grave up, it should've taken Michael alot longer to get north Yankton due to having to get a flight and waiting to get on the plane and such unlike Trevor where he already had a free plane available. Meanwhile during this whole confrontation the Triads have some of their guys boarding the plane Michael was on to get to North Yankton as well so they can ambush them both, so let me get this straight, in game lore it's been weeks maybe even over a month since Trevor killed the O'Neil Brother's and fucked up with the Triads' business expansion plan, why did they not do anything to him prior to this, you're telling me they deadass waited until they went to another state which they conveniently had connections at to try and kill Trevor, instead of trying to kill Trevor sooner they waited basically a month to do anything to him, you could say that the FBI was watching over Trevor when he came to Los Santos, okay that still doesn't stop them from trying to kill him the moment he took action against the O'Neil brother's before he even thought about going to LS, also why did they wait until they left the state to try and ambush them, they could've simply had a squad of guys storm Michael's house and kill or kidnap them both and get a two for one deal, Or already have some have some guys waiting at Trevor's airfield so when he gets there they can get him that way, instead they made things harder for themselves just to create more drama. Now on to The biggest plot hole, which is that Steve Haines and Merryweather don't get taken to court for all the shit that they've did that were even witnessed, in the mission the wrap up the IAA ambushes Michael and Steve saying that they've finally caught them, then some rival FIB team storms in that were working for agent Sanchez who sold out Steve, then Merryweather comes in and joins the party resulting in one massive shootout, with all this, just how in the hell did they not get held accountable for anything at all, it would've been more realistic if merryweather was on the verge of getting shut down for all the shit that they've did in public, in secret and over seas, they've gotten themselves involved in countless shootouts even with two government agencies twice and nothing happens to them. On the matter of Steve in the final mission he's in the middle of recording his TV show, yet like I said before got into a shootout with the IAA and before that he shot another agent right in front of them and other agents that he was sold out to, so with all of this if Lester was able to track him down so easily then why wasn't he at the moment being hunted down by every cop in LS? It would've made the final mission alot more interesting if him and merryweather were taken to court for all the chaos they've caused like I said and he gets released due to his FIB status which causes LS to go into a riot, then after that it would've been a three way war between him, merryweather and Devin Weston, and the main 3 protagonists, and after finishing off merryweather they kill stretch and Wei cheng and then hunt down Devin and Steve before he gets to the airport to flee the country, kind of like San andreas except with extra steps and it could've been alot more epic, No that didn't happen, instead we got the anticlimactic ending where we push Devin off a cliff. And then there's the contract dlc in online where it's canonized that Franklin is married to Tanisha, despite her getting married to another man right after the end of main story, so you're telling me that he stopped her from getting married somehow, what did he come to the wedding and beat her brain surgeon or lawyers ass in front of her, and then she kissed him on the spot and instead married a man she didn't even like? Or did he get on his knees and beg for her to be with him like the simp he was fronting as, no seriously wtf is this bullshit??? The story made a point that she didn't want to be with Franklin because he was a murderer and she was getting married to somebody better, how in the fuck did she change her mind by game lore in the matter of a day, just when I thought the story couldn't get any more unrealistic and cliche they hit us with this. I won't talk about the other two endings cause online already confirmed those two not to be canon. All in all It's hard to just play through the game and look past all these easily noticeable story inconsistencies, and if you really stop to look at it everything else will quickly reveal itself, the direction they went in trying to make this into a fast paced Hollywood movie with a whole lot of satire was not a good idea since they left a shit ton of plot holes along the way, and it really seems like they making up alot of shit as they went also forgetting shit and overshadowing characters easily noticeable with the main ones Franklin specifically, he doesn't truly become important until the very end of the game, rendering the entire story mediocre at best.
These are good takes but i disagree with some of them: -The first take is a bit weird, because even in repossesion Micheal is impressed (in a negative way) at how Docile Franklin is, i know Micheal is sometimes a hypocritical selfish guy, but Micheal very clearly has some sort of pity for the guy, "You seem like a good kid". Sometimes just shit happens -The fact that Micheal thought the tennis coach lived in a mansion is completely justifiable, and Dr.Friedlander explained this the best, at the end of the game, there is a report saying that Micheal has occasionnal outbursts of violence. He was not just pissed off, he was going insane. (And Franklin talks about that in their dialogue). Moreover, i think that using his iconic phrase during the robbery makes sense, Micheal just did not consider the consequences of his actions, you cant expect characters to be smart every time, they can make mistakes (Listen to the dialogue between Dave and Micheal at the end of the First score). -The take about Trevor is imo partially right, i can totally understand why you would think the part about finding Micheal is ridiculous, however, not only did they not go to his house in the first place (they went in Floyd's house), but there is plenty of moments when Wade could have told the address to Trevor (Off camera obviously), just replay the missions and you will see. -I completely disagree with your take on the distances between each cities. If you look at the phone in the game, time passes much quicker than it does in real life (2 seconds for 1 minute), and for a reason. Rockstar cant make a 10000km² where every place is reproduced in 1/1. Everything is distorded so it is more playable. (The distance between blaine county and Los Santos is actually much bigger than you might think) -You can say that Micheal and Trevor arriving at the same time at the graveyard is cliche, but to be fair, not only the writing is fantastic and the little sound effects like the reverb to mimic Micheal going through his memories, or even the mission quest saying "Go to your grave", is amazing. Nevertheless, it makes sense, Micheal waits for a plane, but Trevor on the other hand had to make a much bigger distance to travel since he went back to Blaine county. (I didnt even mention that Trevor was already there for like an hour+ since he was digging) -Triads knew something. Trevor is a fricking menace lmao, they know he killed about 30 armed guys and exploded their house like it was nothing, so a direct attack was probably not a good idea, they waited for a safe opportunity and obviously they saw it when they moved to an other state, far away from any government group like the FIB in a dark and silent place like the North Yankton's graveyard. In my opinion this is not far fetched (Not to mention that One month is reasonably long, reacting before Trevor goes to Los Santos would have been useless precipitation). -Tanisha going back with Franklin just makes sense, she loved him but couldn't do anything because he was too dangerous with his actions. However, Franklin became 5 to 10 years later a CEO of a big corporation. Of course we dont know the details behind the scenes of why Tanisha left her husband in the first place, but everything is possible at that point. -Lastly, why does Steve Haines and Merryweather were fine even after what happened after all of these (i admit), very public and awful events. Easy: Money and corruption, the world of GTA is a whole satire of The United States, showing that even guys commiting atrocities in the background are doing fine because they are very important or very wealthy. Steve Haines litteraly has a police protection on the Third way. (Its the only character in the third way that will get you wanted levels if you kill him). Despite that, i have to admit the story is not perfect. I think it would have been better if the game had chapters or episodes, which maybe explains why RDR2 actually has chapters. I do believe some parts of the game could have been more ... developed. It obviously has the problem many Rockstar's games have, you almost always go to a place with someone (directly or with a telephone), speak to them about god knows what, you arrive, usually kill some peoples, and then go out with usually an other pound of dialogue. The game is not perfect, but i do believe the story is great and very detailed, and is very representative of the spirit of GTA. (Although GTA IV's story is obviously better)
GTA V is such a boring mess. What a giga overrated series. It was important and genre defining in its heyday but one gets tired of doing silly shit in a sandbox, with mediocre gameplay and a tragically boring story
Well you have 3 characters in GTA IV but yeah, it feels way better in GTA IV because you actually choose from which side of the story you want to be on rather than being forced down the three at the same time.
Personally, I found GTA5s open world probably the best and most immersive from what I've played. When you compare s brand new release like CDPRs Cyberpunk, you can easily tell how shallow and absolutely boring an open world can be, I spent hours just customizing my cars and crusing around lossantons when I get stopped by a stranger in need, leading me to an entirely different adventure. I don't agree that V's world just serves as a menu hub, it genuinely has interesting and immersive experiences for just being an open environment. From walking around the city, to driving and exploring the outdoors, I think it's still an amazing modern open world all these years later.
i think at the time it was the best open world around but now i found that games like watch dogs 2 and even watch dogs 1 had more lived in open worlds, gta v is an old game so of course it falls behind in some areas thats why a lot of players want a new gta
I mean RDO has those same things yet it doesn't feel as living as the story mode. GTA V world is on the same playing field as RDO which is not deep at all.
I gotta say, I waited literally 8 years to play GTA V (south american moment) and then I finally got the chance to experience the GTA's story, gameplay and flavours that I was teased with all these years, still after about 50 hours and finishing the game, I was not nearly as satisfied in comparison to previous entries. I tried to put a finger on the problem, but couldn't reason why I felt that way, I just knew that even though I laughed, had fun and enjoyed the mechanics throughout the game it still had not made me feel what IV and SA had. Now this video, especially that final line of thought have enlightened me on something I could only feel but not put into words; it's truly sad, cause I wanted to care more about this game, but just can't
I honestly lost any interest or hype in rockstar in their games at this point tbh. Especially after Red Dead 2, which I'm honestly not a huge fan of, as much as I adore Red Dead 1. The gameplay is there to complement the story, not the story complimenting the gameplay
Gameplay of RDR2 feels far too sluggish and slow. First game i stopped playing at the beginning and just uninstalled cause I was literally falling asleep while playing it during every session. RDR1 was far mor funner to play and engage in, i would buy an HD version of that in a heartbeat
@Aveteran Player dude you're missing the fucking point and speaking clearly out of fanboy emotion. I never said the story wasn't good. I watched all the cutscenes and think it was very masterfully done. The gamelay was boring, sluggish and you felt like an obese tank moving Arthur around. Rockstar is also in this headspace where they try to micromanage every game they deal with and have this pretentious attitude or being "uber realistic", even down to minute movements that doeant need those extra details. Even hunting missions felt like a damn chore and a slog to get through, it was too much. A videogame should not feel like a damn chore or assignment, I play videogames to be entertained. If anything, Rockstar owes me my money back cause I bought it thinking the gameplay was gonna be just fun, smooth relaxed and addictive as RDR 1 Sorry but RDR2 was absolute shit gameplay wise to RDR1 and you know it. All Rockstar games are going in that direction, which is killing the immersion and fun
Never really been a fan of GTA V to begin with. Yes I played through the entire story and yes I reached level 100 in online but honestly the game is so damn boring. I will never understand why it gets so much hype
I play with friends, GTA Online was always a dream online GTA experience for me, I don't enjoy the direction it went in over the years, but it still holds up for me as one of the most fun games with friends. If I'm bored I'll hop on and play for a few hours with friends and just goof around.
Its as simple that it formulates what GTA made in the first place, you figured it out yourself, you should have come here when GTA IV comes out, people in the forums are arguing to no end why isnt its as fun as San Andreas or Vice City
GTA V has no heart. Its characters are not people. They’re caricatures of stereotypes. It’s hard to get immersed in something so unrealistic and childish.
gta v for me was like a girlfriend. she was hot and i had a lot of fun with her, but i had to give her a lot of real world money and attention, and it drained me in everyway from every orifice from my body, realising that my gf is just that, hot, she got no soul, a lot of fun but whats next.
@Skeletor That's a very fair view of seeing it that way. But for me, it felt like perhaps I needed to understand his depression myself, before I realised what our relationship truly meant. So, after I suffered my own pains, I went back to him, and we talked. Now, we go on long, quiet walks together, feeling each others pain and trying to understand it, while making it a point to enjoy and cherish the true beauty of the world around us, the best we can.
For me the satire was too much. I know gta was always about satire but i felt like rockstar added too much and seeing every character embody that was painful to watch for me. Also i felt franklin doesnt quite fit in the story. After the first heist he is literally just an assistant helping in the heists and has not much character growth.
Capitalism is so amazing you can make up an entire game pointing out its “flaws” on gaming platforms made with the help of capitalism and not worrying about going into a breadline to eat afterwards.
@@RedemptionDenied666 Blame the consumers, not capitalism. If gamers actually banded together and exerted their power as consumers, companies wouldn't do this stuff.
Kinda ironic that the devs team that gives players so much freedom from the get-go, also creates very linear and restrictive missions. But nevertheless, i spent 100+ hours replaying IV story, and explored entire SA for 100% completion. With V however, it's just meh to me. Sure the graphic is great and the gameplay is much smoother, but after its story completion, i have no interest in replaying it nor doing any side activity, and i feel that its large map was created for the sake of being large so exploring it feels like a chore if anything. And oh boy dont get me started with Online...
No, rdr2 was good, but just because they released a good game 2 years ago, don't excuse them for making a boring gta V and milking gta and red dead online with microtransactions and boring content.
Honestly they should've started the perspective from Trevor 1st then lead to Michael then Franklin. But with that said they REALLY insulted the REAL San Andrea's fans by making the groove street crew looking like a b*+$h because by the end I had no love for Franklin and honestly wish I could've killed him over everyone but I choose to save everyone. And yea Michael was the easier one to hate because of how bi-polar he is which we could've just gotten with Trevor; but Franklin had 1 track missions that only mattered when the heist or interaction with another character happened. They had 0 love for some aspects of the game but HALF THE MAP IS POINTLESS! EVEN ON ONLINE!
Grove Street falling apart makes sense in a way. In the OG game the crew was completely carried by the main cast and once they decided to leave the gang life behind the only people left were low level street thugs.
@@Flippa6601 It hasn't been confirmed whether or not this is true. The only evidence would be that the GTA V redesigned Los Santos but they still have references to GTA San Andreas. Even if it is in a different universe, Stretch in an Early mission mentioned the gang fell apart soon after the OG's left the hood.
@@donalddarko5807 They literally were saying GTA IV is reboot and nothing from III-San Andreas carries over. GTA V is in same universe as IV so ... they are both in reboot version, and III-San Andreas never happened. I suspect mentions is to try and buy back disgruntled betrayed players like myself who slammed the doors shut at GTA IV already after all our investment was turned into "Ha ha ! Nothing mattered ! We're rebooting everything, deal with it !" but the damage has already been done. There was chunk of playerbase who left at premiere of GTA IV franchise forever.
I put the game down a week after it launched lmao Didn't see what was so good about it and when Trevor killed johnny I got sick of it and turned it off
Playing it in highschool when it first came out (I feel old lol), I didn't hate V, I just felt let down because it didn't have that GTA feel like it's previous games. Even world building details like random pedestrian fights, cops arresting/chasing pedestrians, pedestrian reaction as a whole wasn't really there. I've felt it gets high praise only because it looks good and plays easier than previous GTA games. Especially playing IV & it's DLC's, I noticed alot of something missing jumping from that game to V
😂the sad fact is the game was finished on 2012 having more missions more content ...but what jokestar do on 2013 just cut everything from the game to milk the online
The game is so open-world yet, like mentioned, just is so empty and feels really boring. I mean, look at the beach and compare it to what we are getting with VI it’s so empty compared to that. I tried Online for a few minutes and I just got so bored attempting to make my own club…..
We don’t know if we’re getting that for VI. At past studios I’ve worked at my coworkers would fluff up our trailers with asset density to give it a more cinematic trailer feel. It looks like VI is doing the same thing ESPECIALLY with that beach scene. I don’t think that’s gameplay. But we’ll see when that time comes
@@joshuatealeaves rockstar doesn't lie in their trailers, one of the few things I have to give credit to them, they just need to get their writing team sorted and the game would be pretty good
@@broreallysad They don’t lie straight up. But it is fluffed up for the trailer. You can see this in their other trailers as well. You’re perceiving what I’m saying as a negative when it’s not. Everyone does this
That take about GTA IV vs V is spot on. I never though about it this way, and indeed, I shared your feeling of "disappointment" upon the first time I finished IV. With that said, GTA IV did have some monotonous and linear missions as well. I still think it's the better one, though.
I see the characters as the different players themselves. Michael is the player that wants to make the money, but absolutely hates the grind of it all. Franklin is the story focused fans, wanting to make something bigger of himself. Trevor is the player that just wants to blow shit up, like when we would save in GTA:SA and use the gun cheats.
Yakuza is the opposite of GTA small map but alot to explore and do. Like sub stories (side quests) and side stories if Rockstar could even do a tiny bit of it then the game would be 10x better
I actually rather enjoyed the story mode. I felt it fit the times when it dropped pretty well. Though I do agree the world could have been much more immersive. It was needlessly large, and the only thing it really was for was to create different situations when running from the cops that definitely need an improvement. I like how the AI got smarter and much more aggressive compared to IV, but what the hell is the point of buying a silencer for your guns if you’re going around popping people quietly and the cops automatically and magically know where you’re hidden? Same for stealth killing and such. The whole point of those styles is discretion, and the system completely defeats the purpose. As for GTA Online, I had some friends that were very into it, but it’s just another grindy MMO at this point. I got to level 80 on my PS3 run, but when I came back years later to find that the PS3 servers are now gone, and my opportunity to transfer to PS4 was gone, I never got past Level 10. Too many trolls, too many cheaters, too many pisspoor kids. Not worth the time.
Nah the ai sucks ass in gta v, like the more I played gta v the shit gradually got worse and worse to outright annoying and problematic, I really hate how if you snipe someone from far away like up on a building somewhere or specifically at Franklin’s house the police automatically know where to find you even if the sniper you used is equipped with a suppressor, and it literally takes the whole meaning out of a suppressor like why implement it into the game if the cops immediately get contacted? also if you snipe a enemy near some more of them they automatically know where you’re at like wtf. Another thing I hate is how your trying to hide from the cops in a far away area from where you committed a crime the cops somehow think to search the area that you’re in despite not ever being told anything about us being there. another example which earned this games ai to be the absolute worst which is the npc’s, when your trying to flee from the cops the npc’s just blatantly crash into you and then become immovable objects because they die from impact, you don’t even have to tap them or anything if they get touched they’re hp drops to fucking zero and then they’re car will either not move or drive all by itself, also heads up make sure you don’t try to flee from the cops on a motorcycle because if you di they will run you over, they will fucking crush you. Also for some reason if you try to get away from the cops in a cop car then the tires either immediately get shot out or are already fucked up/off the hinges, but somehow the cops themselves are fucking racers and no matter how much damage you do to they’re car they will always be faster, stronger, and ultimately annoying which makes the whole experience just fucking irritating. When people started complaining about the ai in gta 4 being too easy Rockstar took it to a whole over level hell that is an understatement they went over the top with the shit, they really made sure we wouldn’t have fun with this games ai, but somehow in missions whenever you need to get away from some enemies or even the cops none of the shit I listed happens and it’s just like “grand theft auto wtf??”, maybe this is a lesson not to complain about shit, maybe it was a blessing gta 4’s ai wasn’t as bad because rockstar proved that they can fuck up anything for us if we bitch and complain about it too much.
So so so glad you made this. I felt like I was the only one that felt like SP was so lackluster. They should have packed it with mini games and things to do. I think they just wanted to push people online. I’m not hopeful for gta vi
Even the money grind felt accurate in online. You can make a million just doing trash work, but just how much is 1 million worth in GTA? it can't buy you much, maybe a car, and an apartment. Even the inflation felt real, shark cards have not gone up, but prices for vehicles have. It's a little too realistic.
Nailed it. Def one of the most cynical things I’ve ever experienced (game movie tv show etc) it’s not like SA or GTA 4 where the satire is endearing or good-natured, in this game it’s all so mean spirited and "look how smart I am" like whoever wrote the shit must hate life/themselves/America/everything
The biggest thing makes gta 5 better than 4 for me is the number of vehicles you can own and customize that, and gta 4 fans are so damn toxic it just ruins the experience.
U nailed the reason y I've never tried replaying the game when I was done. I found it depressing asf. Michael kept talking about cooperates governments and capitalism and how nothing matters. Franklin kept talking how no matter what he does he'll always circle back to square one, never moving up in the world, never really achieving anything And Trevor is constantly betrayed or used by the closest people around him, ie Michael, Wade's cousin and his mother.
"every character is irredeemable broken and just kind of shity" That's how pretty much all gta characters have been up until San Andreas. Gta 3 starts off with you being shot in the face by your own girlfriend and ends with you killing her and then killing a lady you just saved because she talked to much. Liberty city stories your own mother calls a hit on you because you didn't want anything to do with the mafia and the hit only gets called off after you've murdered thousands people and bomb up an entire city block for the mob. Vice city stories you get dishonorably discharged from the military because you were holding on to drugs that were for your sergeant which he also forced you to sell. Vice city the brother (lance) of the character you played in vice City stories gets his brother killed and a bad drug deal after the end of vice City stories he promised to stop getting his brother involved with moving drugs. He then goes on to sell you out to mafia boss that came to visit you that you plotted it to kill , even though you literally spent the entire game helping lance out . Characters in GTA have always been larger than Life, over the top irredeemably bad people.
Gta online is the most soulless and cynical game I have ever played. There's no point to anything except granding money. The gameplay feels repetitive. Theres barely any fun in it. The characters are unlikable and annoying. The world feels bland. Most of the mission are formulaic and feel the same. Almost everything in the game is overpriced Video games and fiction in general is supposed to be a break from reality and help you find great or compelling things about reality. Gta Online does not do neither. The game feels like a job. The game has nothing interesting to say about its world or character. No reason to do anything but make money. The only reason I play it is because my friends play it. They play it, because it gives them something to do. Honestly if I was given three wishes. One of them would be to get rid of this soulless garbage
V got nice diversity, but story is kinda mess. Its like joking about something while the VC and SA try to capture the vibe and experience the tense of character as the thing goes big and deep
And comparing it to GTA San Andreas or Vice city: Buying houses and businesses that unlocked missions, conquering the hood etc. So much more depth to those games
We commoner peasants really cannot understand 45-50 year old millionaires. There was hope and passion in GTA4 but there's no hope in GTA5, just money. The assets are amazing and music is sometimes too, but the rest is just like Trevor shitting in the beautiful girlfriend apartment and killing her eventually. Ungrateful and perverted. I can't make myself play GTA5 story, as it starts when they kill off TLaD with pleasure. So I'd rather play 3,4,SA over and over instead.
The games major flaw I hate is how they want us to be violent in the game yet if we blow up players in cars we end up in the bad sport lobby. Why get violent in a game if we get into trouble for it
Rockstar needs to do a game on a smaller map. A GTA V game that improves on RDR2 main character and npc interactions. GTA V has a lot of buildings and characters that do nothing if they scaled down the map they could probably utilize more assets.
@@oddgbmo3036 Well there were things to do in those parts of the city or countryside. GTA V is just big map with nothing but a few clothing stores. Barbershops and tattoo shops. And a car garage you can go to to upgrade your vehicle. That’s about it.
For me personally, games like GTA stop being fun when I try reading into it like a book instead of just playing it like a game. They told the story they wanna tell through the cutscenes and dialogue and did a good job doing it. You've got missions that are like Max Payne 3 levels but with the GTA formula, and you've still got the entirety of Los Santo's open world to explore and cause chaos in. I think the reason the world feels empty is because WE are getting older and we've already done this countless times in San Andreas as kids, it doesn't seem as new anymore especially after playing so many other games like mafia, saints row etc. Rockstar has to please 3 generations of VERY different audiences with 1 game, and I think they pulled it off. Still think they should've made manhunt 3 instead tho.
Also to add to your point, there has never been new mechanics introduce into this 2013 game, so much of its flaws is leftover from that era, RDR2 perfected some of this flaws, story for example where alot of people shat on in V but now has the same problem as IV where its to some people less fun
That's what I was thinking. Where oh where is Manhunt 3? Oh that's right we care too much about sipping the GTA Online milk and hurting feelings too much for that game to come out. That's why a part of me thinks that GTA 6 will probably be even worst than GTA V. The fun aspect of the game is being taken away from us. They want to focus on realism but yet if you shoot someone with a shotgun in the head in GTA V and GTA IV, it's so hypocritically unrealistic(unlike in games like GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, and most currently Red Dead Redemption 2), What's happened to you Rockstar lol. Also RDR and RDR2's ending and overall story were great because Arthur and John are characters you actually could laugh and cry with together, their deaths were both really sad. Even when Big Smoke died in San Andreas, I nearly wanted to tear up. This video needed to be made. Don't get me wrong, there are some things I do like about GTA V but it is so hypocritical and makes you want to facepalm so hard.
Honestly I remember just reading a bunch of stuff about how gta v was not as strong compared to other entries. Someone mentioned how this game felt like it was made out of fan service. That’s the perfect description for gta v.
So funny that the linear nature of GTA V missions is why DarkViperAU hates RDR2, but GTAV has the same level of being linear just with a weaker story to tell to justify it.
I don't think that 5 does characters well at all actually. Maybe I'm biased because 4 is my favorite one bur Niko is a good protagonist. He's a victim of trauma and all he knows how to do is be a criminal. He never had the option to be anything other then a criminal and because of that he's a self destructive nihilist. He finds in America that its all a lie. I feel like 4 honestly does rhe same things you think 5 does with the deconstruction of the American excess but it's done differently. From the perspective of an outsider. Just by merit of being born in America, 5's protagonists have more genuine freedom and opportunity. But my issue is not just with rhe absolute stupidity if the narrative but that no character except Franklin is relatable or even interesting. Micheal is an entitled boring man stuck in his mid life crisis. He's already made it and can't enjoy his life. He had no stakes until he decides to be an insane person. His family is horrible and I don't feel any emotion at his reunion. He doesn't deserve a happy ending. Trevor is an outdated protag, his only personality traits is being an insane person. None of his story is interesting. He's just a psychopath. Frankin feels like a good character surrounded by an awful story that turns him into an equally bad character.
Yeah I agree. there aren't many layers to their personalities. Trevor is a one-dimensional character masquerading as a fourth-demensional one. He is a shallow shamble that makes up the rules as he goes along. He annoyingly distracts and overshadows the charming development of Franklin and maybe Even Michael but arguably so. His inconsistencies and tasteless violent behavior really derailed the narrative. I don't think anyone who isn't collecting kids toys and drooling over spandex-clad musclemen are going to find him all that interesting or funny either. I might be wrong but I feel like the writers were too fool of themselves when it came to Trevor. Trevor reeks of the kind of self-satisfied arrogance of a hack comedian making a dumb crowd go wild. At the end of the day, GTA 5 is a cynical corporate exercise rolled into a rotten chimichanga of the worst impulses of modern Hollywood
If GTA online wasnt as popular as it was im sure r* wouldve focused more on extra story content. i wonder what we coudlve gotten if things had gone different
Gta V is trash, characters are trash that looks like it was taken out of a South Park episode, everyone is crazy and annoying, story is trash, theres nothing to do in the map, you cant enter anywhere, theres no minigames, you cant buy houses, everything is empty, driving is arcade, game is less realistic than GTA IV, you get a lot of money from the heists but you have nothing to buy with it, you cant call other characters to do something like in GTA IV ... RDR1, RDR2, GTA San Andreas are 1 million times better
GTA San Andreas story:we make a simple story with a point of betrayal and loss,and then coming back stronger to destroy what made YOURE friends into drug dealers, addicts to crime, and seeking refuge in the other side of the world GTA 4: we seek freedom, but freedom you heard is a lie, you fight for it and do every single thing for it,but you fail to get it and end up bowling with you friend for ever Gta 5:HAHA,we are hypocrits
17:17 That part where you had a thought about all three characters presenting something of the GTA is the most interesting part, I think Michael - the capitalist GTA V who tries to make a society approved game for everyone Franklin - the ghost of GTA Sand Andreas Trevor - the real GTA with all the madness and explosions and stuff
It wasn’t revolutionary. You couldent enter much interior buildings, the map felt kinda dull, couldev added more towns but they didnt. Story was weird. It has some great points yea but i feel it wasnt all that great
PLEASE READ: I try to keep my videos as short as possible so I know I've missed stuff out. I haven't highlighted GTA 5's great points as much for that reason. I know this video will get heat. GTA 5 is a great game, I'm putting that on the record! Still, there's so much crap surrounding it up to this point that I truly believe is, at the least, worth acknowledging! Some stuff has been hyperbolized for poetic and comedic effect too ight so don't go mental about that. Anyways, hope u enjoy!
GTA V: >Is a satire of American capitalism and corporate greed.
GTA Online: Ironic
Bruh take my like
like bro
game is been out for 10 years dude wh yupalod this lmao
When you put it like that, pretty much and That’s one way of looking at it. Can’t say I’m surprised
Started the online two months ago, 💰 🤑 💸 💲
GTA online ruined the game, those little 12 year olds who spam the flying motorcycle, I quit because of that. And also the pay to win shit is crazy.
*SHARK CARDSSSSSSS*
Rockstart from the greatest studio became most greedy awful studio
@@Mi_tala ea and ubisoft exist
@@liamhood4981 even they have became better unlike rockstar
um actually it takes alot of skill and effort to let the game aim for you
I agree with most of the points you made about GTA 5, but I disagree with the summary to GTA 4, you arrive in America finding that the stories about the American dream you heard were all fake, you go through the criminal ranks to achieve that dream, just for you to realize it was all a lie and your criminal past comes back to haunt you.
Finally, someone I agree with, thank u bro
Honestly you’re right, i think i did pigeonhole gta 4’s meaning too much
@@bangreshi all good. Keep making more quality videos like these since TH-cam has been recommending them
I was thinking the exact same thing, GTA IV isn't about achieving the American Dream but rather rising up the ranks and realizing the fallacy of that dream.
GTA V is about what happens after you discover that lie and the empty feeling that you get realizing all the sacrifices you made to make it only to find a fake, shatter glass "perfect life".
GTA IV was the last GTA with substance. I almost felt disillusioned for Niko, coming for a better life but having to do so much killing and realizing he will never find peace, put that in with that the 0 saturation of Liberty City and its just depressing. What a fantastic game, deserves a modern remake in the future.
To be honest GTA has always been linear but the old games have been better in that regard, for example in San Andreas if a enemy spot you in a stealth mission it isn't an insta-mission fail or you can be miles away from the mission and still it won't fail the mission (only if you don't have a partner).
Is less intuitive yes, but it gives you the freedom to do whatever you want
I wish they'd go back to GTA III's mission structure just more refined, in that game it was just go there and take out a target and you're free to approach the objective more freely rather failing because you didn't kill him/her in the way R* intended you to.
@Adrian Scott gta 4 missions were boring and repititve tho other than that the realism and new york was good plus a interesting atmosphere
@Adrian Scott yeah
GTA is probably one of the most non linear games in the world. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. There are like thousand of different ways you can pass certain missions in San Andreas. GTA 5 is more linear and scripted than the old 3D era games yes, but you can still do a lot of stuff. Compared to other open world games like Mafia or Watch Dogs, GTA is extremely non linear.
@@mojabaka Modern GTA's are more linear than the past, that's what I said. Or have a very linear structure to it's missions.
Honestly, the fact you get punished when you "rob" rockstar through mod console money is the the biggest oxymoron ever.
Right? Like aren’t you supposed to do nefarious crimes and have fun with it by getting away with it? Ain’t it crazy how you punch someone and the cops know EXACTLY where you are and attack immediately? Makes the game not fun in every aspect. At least in GTA IV you had to punch someone IN FRONT of the cops for them to do anything.
Difference between robbing in gta online and robbing rockstar is robbing rockstar is satisfying, fun, and it pays off
@@Kal-El207 I still don't get why noone called out rockstar on that. It's infuriating af.
game is been out for 10 years dude wh yupalod this lmao
@@blknmongl342 you think Rockstar cares if people cry on the internet?
Outside of Los Santos (Which is smaller than Liberty City) We get a small desert and country town, a military base and another small town near a homeless shelter. Then some random islands and a massive lake, desert and countryside with nothing really in it, except a dam near Los Santos. GTA5's map always felt overly stretched out, full of empty countryside and desert with very few buildings Inbetween. You go online and nobody explores the country (because it's dull) all that land is just there to artificially bloat the map. It feels like a con or a scam. Yeah, it's the biggest map in gaming, but most of it is pointless...
Facts
Nowhere near the biggest map in gaming, just the biggest GTA map, biggest map isn't even close
There are ways that you can do that right, like Mad Max and Far Cry.
Yeah I hated the GTA 5 map. All you see is desert and highway too like how exciting.....
Yeah but a map full of towers and the same shirt is boring too
My main problem with GTA V is that the game was obviously made with the intention of focusing on online play. You plan a heist, but don't actually carry out the heist, and then drive to a safe location. In turn this makes the game feel empty. Very poorly done. I think it's Rockstars worse game to date.
For real and that’s why gta 5 story wasn’t that good
It is R* worst game
I have to disagree with what you said about gta 4. It definitely depicts the American reality, Niko believes (partly to the fault of Roman) that by coming to America all his problems will be solved, as many immigrants both past and present believe, however once they get here they realize the truth as Niko did.
Nah ur 100% right, this is my biggest regret w this vid. In my heart i knew i was cheesing the gta 4 analysis for the sake of presenting the duality between 4 and 5 and if i could i would change my wording about 4
Nah 4 sucked too
@@screwshapeshiftersjesusisl5155 how so, I may ask?
@@a1rea4ytaken64 He can't answer you. He'll probably say that it was too serious or the map was too small or some shit like that.
@@a1rea4ytaken64 Bro he is a gta 5 /gta online 12 year old fanboy who hates gta 4 and rdr2
Years later and gta San Andreas has the most memorable story and missions😃
Right homie !
Not only it's memorable
It's also meme-orable.
Just look at how many missions were turned into memes, even people who never played the games know the memes.
Facts
What about VC
Gta 3 would like to have a word with you. Literally the most straightforward story.
GTA 4 was a masterpiece for me. I played GTA 4 as a kid and man I really love that game. so much fun with the single player and multiplayer.
I remember when i play GTA 4 i Hate it as a kid
When doing around 16 or 17 i hated myself because i sold that game
And when i got the oportunity to play GTA episodes from liberty City, Man, that was a fantástic experience
@@dashsoulsthehornyone9125 hell yea dude. GTA 4 era was amazing. 2 fantastic dlc expansions. a shame rockstar didn't give red dead 2 a dlc
That's the one game that genuinely is not for kids. I mean like it actively repels them. Kids play for the dumb tomfoolery like in Vice City, Sna Andreas or even 5. But 4 just doesn't have that 'amusement park' like feel. It's like a kid watching Joker. The R-rating aside, he would really be bored/traumatized and would hate it. Only later on as a more wiser person would he understand what actually the game or movie was about. And THAT'S the moment of realisation of true brilliance.
I hated GTA 4 and Niko when I was a kid too. Only later do I realise what the game was supposed to be.
To this day I have GTA 4 installed on my system.
@@shiveshsingh3169 that's interesting. I'm glad you came to like GTA 4 later on. idk why I loved GTA 4 as a kid even though all the seriousness flew over my head back then. Niko voice actor got my attention and I really liked the atmosphere and gameplay
GTA 4 had an emotional story with a badass protagonist. My favourite mission was when we rescue Roman from a warehouse full of armed thugs.
“Franklin has a Yee Yee Ass haircut” 😂😂😂 one of the greatest lines in gaming history
Lamar is the only good thing to come out of V
“Blah blah Blah blah Blah blah.” - Trevor
@@ddsjgvk nah just the online sucks ass now it used to be good and the story is only replayable for the main missions
Hmm... nope. Not compared to when Ryder says "shit looks ridiculous"
Nah
This video perfectly explains my feelings towards Rockstar as a whole since 2012. As someone whose played every GTA after 2001 in their prime with even hundreds of hours in Grand Theft Auto 4 Multiplayer I was extremely disappointed with GTA 5 after the 2nd day of its release in 2013. Prior to release I read every single official article and the game was no where as in depth as they made it out to seem prior to release. The game was extremely short with 69 missions. I don’t even think i ever finished ANY Grand Theft Auto in just two sittings. Not even the GTAs on the PlayStation Portable. It’s unfortunate that this game forever changed the impression of this series due to it being so popular for almost a decade. Kids will hold this game as a standard for future Grand Theft Autos because thats all they ever knew. Also at 3:16 Big smokes order wasn’t that big he was the one ordering for everyone in the car. The joke was after he put everyone’s order in he got a number 7 then proceeded to get two number 45s which causes everyone to look at him. But his fatass ate everyone’s food instead of shooting because he probably was apart of the setup.
I thought Big Smoke was making time for the Ballas car to show up, hence why he wasn't even shooting in the first place.
@@Criegrrunov you're right. and so is abzortcrytek.
Big smoke’s order was only the number 9 large, the number 7, the two number 45s, and the large soda
Agreed. I had huge fun playing the story and loved the open world possibilities, but it could have been significantly better very easily. For example, I loved Maude's missions, they were my favourite as she just gave you a photo of a house or some other small location and you had to figure where on the map that was. It was quite a contrast to most of the other missions which just told you where to go.
And COMPLETELY agree with GTAO now being some sci-fi looney tunes mess. After not playing GTAO for a couple years, then a year ago tried to get back into - played it once, haven't touched it again.
gta 5 is literally one of the worst open world games I’ve ever played
It's boring asf
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@@Jonejav can you only respond with emoji because that’s all your brain is capable of producing?
@@MrRAGE22 bro you made 20 videos meatriding gta 5😭 get off the games dick
@@MrRAGE22how about this 🍑💨💥☠
Worst thing is that I feel like I always felt that GTA V was a boring and empty game, but brainwashed myself like majority into believing the game wasn't, and I was just tired of games or something.
I remember my time playing GTA V was mostly me trying to either forcibly roleplay, cause chaos, cause chaos with cheats, do side-missions, cause chaos to ruin missions for fun, or do chaos again.
GTA V is really a real-life version of Skyrim.
For me, it was one of the first exploring open-world type games I ever played so, I thoroughly enjoyed when first time playing it. I might have a different opinion playing it now. Same with Skyrim.
The games storyline is ridiculous, sloppy and some parts made zero sense. It has. Great graphics and great soundtrack but that's it! Michael was annoying, his family was annoying, Trevor was unnecessarily violent and Franklin was simple minded yet the most normal one. I've never heard the N-word so much in my life and I'm from Detroit! 🤦🏽♀️
@@AnAdorableWombat1 Tbh, the soundtrack of V kinda sucks imo. I love almost every station in SA, III, IV and Vice City, but could only like a few stations in V. V's really held back by having less of a handpicked soundtrack and more of a "hey, let's just include what's popular now"
@@BlackLotusVisualArchiveReally, i only like los santoa rock radio since i love the genre and a few pop songs, like "the music sounds better with you". everything else was so bland and boring. i only laughed my ass off when i heard the "i woke up in a new bugatti" song. wheres my vladivostok fm or my k-rose. gta 4 had a way better ost
@@woofer3284Skyrim at least has random encounters, world building, diverse scenery, lots of lore and mission variety… GTA V on the other hand? Drive around in a car, shoot random civilians, play a mini game every once a blue moon, do heists, and that’s about it really….
GTA has become a parody of GTA games
Man I could never get into gta 5 story so I went back to San Andreas, I still play it each day, I even got it on my phone, and I sold GTA 5, (the loading screen simulator on my PS4) in a month after I got it and finished the story and forgot the characters too.
@Lord Vader is back again yep !
Plus 3 cities and a massive country side was great
What worries me is that now some games want to put more realism rather than fun
@@lionstarkweather5584 basically why i mostly play indie.
@@flow185 there are some gems in the indie department that’s for sure
5:50 when you’re talking about boring missions that mission at the dock with the crates is literally how far I got in the story 😂 I quit at that part
Same
Fr this game consistently forces us to do mundane tasks like this is what we would want to do in a game about killing people and robbing banks and doing whatever we want, and lifting crates not being one of them.
@@princevegeta6765 I don't know how anyone would think that missions like those would be a good idea. I also wish that gta5 would let you commit crimes to make money, besides robbing gas stations.
Fr I hated that mission
Same lol. Boring ass game
I was glad to see you showed NakeyJakey's video on how Rockstar's game design is outdated. That is one of my favorite videos that I point people to as an explanation for why RDR2 disappointed me from a gameplay perspective (loved the story though). Too much 'realism' and not enough fun things to do outside of the linear story missions. I am concerned for the future of Rockstar's titles and I truly hope they are listening to all of this criticism.
I hope not. I want linear mission design in Rockstar Games. If you want free mission design then go play Watch Dogs Legion or Ubisoft games. If free mission design is your blueprint then Ubisoft should be your favorite publisher. Free mission design lacks creativity and innovation. It’s lazy, repetitive and tedious. Go here and clear this camp. GTA V missions are varied, engaging. That’s why it sells way more than Watch Dogs.
@@ahrlj24 I think you misinterpreted what I was getting at. I didn’t mention free mission design at all. I have my own issues with Ubisofts titles and the way they implement free mission design. I like the cinematic story missions in rockstar games, but I do think that the missions should allow players try and solve problems in their own way and not result in an immediate “mission failed” if you try to be creative. You can definitely have the objective guides for Rockstar’s way to do the mission and just not force the player to follow them, I feel like that would be a good way to handle it. But my main issues with RDR2 lie in gameplay mechanics like excessive travel times without RDR1’s fast travel system, hunting being way too perfectionist to be fun considering how long it takes to track down a 3 star animal of the particular animal you need, camp upgrades not serving a purpose to the flow of the story in any way, not being able to travel to the west as Arthur, etc. I also didn’t like how there really were not enough side missions/side characters to fill the massive open world space in each chapter, I think a more condensed map like RDR1 would have worked better.
RDR2 was amazing though. I don’t see why you’d be disappointed there, but that’s your opinion.
@@Kal-El207 Yeah, just like it’s your opinion that it was amazing. It wasn’t 😝🤣
@@AJMarraffa rdr2 is amazing
GTA 5 is not very good at all. Previous games were better. The reason GTA V is still popular is because of online.
GTA V was super fun. But youve really opened my eyes to some of the BS surrounding the game. Bless u bang reshi
Yeah it WAS super fun.. back in 2013 and 2014.
@@VonDutchNL 💯
@@dyinglightboyz6415 I just bought GTAV again for my Series X for 20 euros just to see how the enhanced next-gen version holds up. After playing it for 15 minutes I was done with it already lol.. and I already got refunded. I don't understand what people see in this 10 year old game anymore, played the heck out of it back in the day but it really aged badly even the "enhanced" version.
@@VonDutchNL I’ve tried to get back on so many times after so many years. It just reminds of me of how great it could have been so I can’t do it anymore lol like I would have never thought they would keep adding BS on top of BS year after year. Man speaking of years, the world has changed dramatically since the release of this game tbh. Damn lol
@@VonDutchNL still fun to these days ur just dumb
I miss the old rockstar
The reasons why old gta titles were the real deal.
8:30 What?
A corporation pretending to care about a certain set of values in order to make more money? I am SHOCKED!
and appalled
@@yourehereforthatarentyou Hey you got some of THAT? I'm here for it.
Especially when we're talking about billions of profit. No company would say no to that
Honestly, the best part of RDR2 and GTAV for me was the world. How immersive it was, how pretty it looked, it was great
Edit: The gameplay was poo poo after a while though.
Just so sad neither got story DLC ...
Red dead 2 has a lot more immersion
You implying rde2's story was lackluster?
@@couqueza4169 it was solid. But so many people over hyped it for me that it was just okay in the end, FOR ME. OKAY. IMO.
@@brokenbiscuit3609 I disagree but you can have your own opinion. Might've overreacted a bit, didn't think there were many people who didn't love it
8:13 - A game with a campaign satirising capitalist America, has become itself what it set out to criticise. It's so true, I never thought about it that way, and had a genuine distaste for GTAV online, but hearing you say it made me think 'Holy shit! That's what it is I really dislike about it".
They are a capitalist company. Capitalism doesn't often worry about hypocrisies because necessity demands profit
Virtue signaling at its finest
The only time that I loved GTA was when I was a child and it was fun to kill innocent people for hours. When I played GTA as an adult, it was fun to kill people for about 30 minutes, and then actually try to play the missions and see that they are some of the worst and boring missions I ever played in gaming.
You haven't played Red Dead Redemption 2 or GTA IV.
@TH-cam Will delete this I know. That's why I said they haven't played them before. GTA 5's mission design is leagues better. Better yet, the 3d GTA's.
Read dead 2 was sooooo boring story wise. I literally would prefer doing anything else besides the story mode. Almost lost it when it basically turns into a farming simulator towards the end of the game.
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@@Hitman7xx RDR2 is the most boring game I have ever had the misfortune of playing. I can't imagine how pissed I would have been if I hadn't pirated it.
Personally i vastly prefer 4. the combat was a hell of a lot more fun. Shooting some asshole in the knee then watch him roll down the flight of stairs never gets old. Plus i just liked the characters and story far more. I found 5 to be pretty boring after the first playthrough.
4 isn't bad but I found the world to explore very dull and boring. They might be just creating a realistic game but still....since, it's an open world game. I think the world in V was colorful and more fun to explore.
My main problem with gta 5's story is it's massive plot holes that make no sense whatsoever
For example Franklin just automatically becomes a part of Michael's life after he breaks into his house and steals his son's car then comes asking for a beer, in reality somebody like Michael would've told him to get lost.
Another thing that doesn't make sense is how Michael came to the conclusion that a tennis coach could afford a 2 million dollar house in the hills, you can't even say that he was pissed off so he wasn't thinking straight because he literally says he already knew that the guy lived up in the hills somewhere, of all people how did he think a dude who hits balls for a living could afford a hillside mansion, then again it was Michael who used a line that he's known for by people who he didn't get confirmation were dead, to intimidate a witness to an armed robbery that he left alive, Michael was actively trying to prolong the plot, and the whole time afterwards he complains about how horrible his life got which he also directs towards Trevor and the FIB when really he's ultimately the reason for all of his problems, what a hypocrite🤦♂️.
Moving on, the second biggest plot hole in the story is how Trevor found Michael, several red flags popped up with this entire part, first off Trevor finding out Michael was alive because he overheard a conversation on the news while he was in the middle of fucking someone over the counter just felt forced as hell, and the fact that he sent Wade of all people instead of Ron to go find Michael and he somehow easily found him made the entire thing even more forced, No seriously, he sent the dumbest character in the game to go find someone in a big ass city where anybody can have the same name and alias, and it's beyond me how he was somehow smart enough to look through the phone directory and found someone who matches Michael's description despite not having the name he was looking for, and also you would think that someone who's currently being hidden by the Government would be a little more hard to find than just looking through a phone directory, and to top it all off Trevor somehow automatically knew Michael's address and that he was living in a mansion, like Wade didn't even give him any directions or anything he just knew where to go right off the bat.
This whole segment was goofy as hell and was the most forced part of the game just to move the plot forward, and what makes it all the more forced is that Trevor just so happened to be living in a small town that's right next to city where Michael was at, I'd understand if it was Liberty City, Vice City anywhere else, no they put him in a place right next to where Michael was living, even tho the story made a point that Trevor despised everything about Los Santos even calling it the city of shitheads, yet he was living right next to said shit hole for the last 10 years and never visited once.
On the topic of Trevor finding out shit about Michael it doesn't make a whole lot of sense how he figured out Brad was dead, like seriously the shit came right out of left field and wasn't even hinted at him starting to find out about it before hand, it also doesn't make sense how he thought Brad was writing letters to him from a prison cell, yes it was bound to happen but had little build up, and then there's the cliche of them both arriving to North Yankton at the same time and Michael walks up to Trevor as he's digging the grave up, it should've taken Michael alot longer to get north Yankton due to having to get a flight and waiting to get on the plane and such unlike Trevor where he already had a free plane available.
Meanwhile during this whole confrontation the Triads have some of their guys boarding the plane Michael was on to get to North Yankton as well so they can ambush them both, so let me get this straight, in game lore it's been weeks maybe even over a month since Trevor killed the O'Neil Brother's and fucked up with the Triads' business expansion plan, why did they not do anything to him prior to this, you're telling me they deadass waited until they went to another state which they conveniently had connections at to try and kill Trevor, instead of trying to kill Trevor sooner they waited basically a month to do anything to him, you could say that the FBI was watching over Trevor when he came to Los Santos, okay that still doesn't stop them from trying to kill him the moment he took action against the O'Neil brother's before he even thought about going to LS, also why did they wait until they left the state to try and ambush them, they could've simply had a squad of guys storm Michael's house and kill or kidnap them both and get a two for one deal, Or already have some have some guys waiting at Trevor's airfield so when he gets there they can get him that way, instead they made things harder for themselves just to create more drama.
Now on to The biggest plot hole, which is that Steve Haines and Merryweather don't get taken to court for all the shit that they've did that were even witnessed, in the mission the wrap up the IAA ambushes Michael and Steve saying that they've finally caught them, then some rival FIB team storms in that were working for agent Sanchez who sold out Steve, then Merryweather comes in and joins the party resulting in one massive shootout, with all this, just how in the hell did they not get held accountable for anything at all, it would've been more realistic if merryweather was on the verge of getting shut down for all the shit that they've did in public, in secret and over seas, they've gotten themselves involved in countless shootouts even with two government agencies twice and nothing happens to them. On the matter of Steve in the final mission he's in the middle of recording his TV show, yet like I said before got into a shootout with the IAA and before that he shot another agent right in front of them and other agents that he was sold out to, so with all of this if Lester was able to track him down so easily then why wasn't he at the moment being hunted down by every cop in LS?
It would've made the final mission alot more interesting if him and merryweather were taken to court for all the chaos they've caused like I said and he gets released due to his FIB status which causes LS to go into a riot, then after that it would've been a three way war between him, merryweather and Devin Weston, and the main 3 protagonists, and after finishing off merryweather they kill stretch and Wei cheng and then hunt down Devin and Steve before he gets to the airport to flee the country, kind of like San andreas except with extra steps and it could've been alot more epic, No that didn't happen, instead we got the anticlimactic ending where we push Devin off a cliff.
And then there's the contract dlc in online where it's canonized that Franklin is married to Tanisha, despite her getting married to another man right after the end of main story, so you're telling me that he stopped her from getting married somehow, what did he come to the wedding and beat her brain surgeon or lawyers ass in front of her, and then she kissed him on the spot and instead married a man she didn't even like? Or did he get on his knees and beg for her to be with him like the simp he was fronting as, no seriously wtf is this bullshit??? The story made a point that she didn't want to be with Franklin because he was a murderer and she was getting married to somebody better, how in the fuck did she change her mind by game lore in the matter of a day, just when I thought the story couldn't get any more unrealistic and cliche they hit us with this.
I won't talk about the other two endings cause online already confirmed those two not to be canon.
All in all It's hard to just play through the game and look past all these easily noticeable story inconsistencies, and if you really stop to look at it everything else will quickly reveal itself, the direction they went in trying to make this into a fast paced Hollywood movie with a whole lot of satire was not a good idea since they left a shit ton of plot holes along the way, and it really seems like they making up alot of shit as they went also forgetting shit and overshadowing characters easily noticeable with the main ones Franklin specifically, he doesn't truly become important until the very end of the game, rendering the entire story mediocre at best.
These are good takes but i disagree with some of them:
-The first take is a bit weird, because even in repossesion Micheal is impressed (in a negative way) at how Docile Franklin is, i know Micheal is sometimes a hypocritical selfish guy, but Micheal very clearly has some sort of pity for the guy, "You seem like a good kid". Sometimes just shit happens
-The fact that Micheal thought the tennis coach lived in a mansion is completely justifiable, and Dr.Friedlander explained this the best, at the end of the game, there is a report saying that Micheal has occasionnal outbursts of violence. He was not just pissed off, he was going insane. (And Franklin talks about that in their dialogue). Moreover, i think that using his iconic phrase during the robbery makes sense, Micheal just did not consider the consequences of his actions, you cant expect characters to be smart every time, they can make mistakes (Listen to the dialogue between Dave and Micheal at the end of the First score).
-The take about Trevor is imo partially right, i can totally understand why you would think the part about finding Micheal is ridiculous, however, not only did they not go to his house in the first place (they went in Floyd's house), but there is plenty of moments when Wade could have told the address to Trevor (Off camera obviously), just replay the missions and you will see.
-I completely disagree with your take on the distances between each cities. If you look at the phone in the game, time passes much quicker than it does in real life (2 seconds for 1 minute), and for a reason. Rockstar cant make a 10000km² where every place is reproduced in 1/1. Everything is distorded so it is more playable. (The distance between blaine county and Los Santos is actually much bigger than you might think)
-You can say that Micheal and Trevor arriving at the same time at the graveyard is cliche, but to be fair, not only the writing is fantastic and the little sound effects like the reverb to mimic Micheal going through his memories, or even the mission quest saying "Go to your grave", is amazing. Nevertheless, it makes sense, Micheal waits for a plane, but Trevor on the other hand had to make a much bigger distance to travel since he went back to Blaine county. (I didnt even mention that Trevor was already there for like an hour+ since he was digging)
-Triads knew something. Trevor is a fricking menace lmao, they know he killed about 30 armed guys and exploded their house like it was nothing, so a direct attack was probably not a good idea, they waited for a safe opportunity and obviously they saw it when they moved to an other state, far away from any government group like the FIB in a dark and silent place like the North Yankton's graveyard. In my opinion this is not far fetched (Not to mention that One month is reasonably long, reacting before Trevor goes to Los Santos would have been useless precipitation).
-Tanisha going back with Franklin just makes sense, she loved him but couldn't do anything because he was too dangerous with his actions. However, Franklin became 5 to 10 years later a CEO of a big corporation. Of course we dont know the details behind the scenes of why Tanisha left her husband in the first place, but everything is possible at that point.
-Lastly, why does Steve Haines and Merryweather were fine even after what happened after all of these (i admit), very public and awful events.
Easy:
Money and corruption, the world of GTA is a whole satire of The United States, showing that even guys commiting atrocities in the background are doing fine because they are very important or very wealthy. Steve Haines litteraly has a police protection on the Third way. (Its the only character in the third way that will get you wanted levels if you kill him).
Despite that, i have to admit the story is not perfect.
I think it would have been better if the game had chapters or episodes, which maybe explains why RDR2 actually has chapters.
I do believe some parts of the game could have been more ... developed.
It obviously has the problem many Rockstar's games have, you almost always go to a place with someone (directly or with a telephone), speak to them about god knows what, you arrive, usually kill some peoples, and then go out with usually an other pound of dialogue.
The game is not perfect, but i do believe the story is great and very detailed, and is very representative of the spirit of GTA. (Although GTA IV's story is obviously better)
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GTA V is such a boring mess. What a giga overrated series. It was important and genre defining in its heyday but one gets tired of doing silly shit in a sandbox, with mediocre gameplay and a tragically boring story
Ony GTA SanAndreas and GTA 4 are good
still far better than gta4 or gtasa
@@LUXXEN-yx9hv Hell no. The only thing it has going for it is its unmatched (in its time) sandbox.
@@LUXXEN-yx9hv san andreas slander will not be tolerated, IV is tru though
@@TwoNumbahNiens yeah
I loved GTA IV way more. Climbing the ranks is much more my thing then this 3 character BS. You described my feelings in 2013 very good !
Well you have 3 characters in GTA IV but yeah, it feels way better in GTA IV because you actually choose from which side of the story you want to be on rather than being forced down the three at the same time.
Can't make fun of shitty capitalist corporations when you are one.
Personally, I found GTA5s open world probably the best and most immersive from what I've played. When you compare s brand new release like CDPRs Cyberpunk, you can easily tell how shallow and absolutely boring an open world can be, I spent hours just customizing my cars and crusing around lossantons when I get stopped by a stranger in need, leading me to an entirely different adventure.
I don't agree that V's world just serves as a menu hub, it genuinely has interesting and immersive experiences for just being an open environment. From walking around the city, to driving and exploring the outdoors, I think it's still an amazing modern open world all these years later.
I agree, but lacks of reward make it feel less interesting.
and... If you want a quality comparation, please do it RETROSPECTIVELY.
i think at the time it was the best open world around but now i found that games like watch dogs 2 and even watch dogs 1 had more lived in open worlds, gta v is an old game so of course it falls behind in some areas thats why a lot of players want a new gta
@@mk9612 gta 4's liberty city, San andreas and saints row 2's Stilwater are better than V's Los Santos
@@SuzukiCabs i agree
I mean RDO has those same things yet it doesn't feel as living as the story mode. GTA V world is on the same playing field as RDO which is not deep at all.
I gotta say, I waited literally 8 years to play GTA V (south american moment) and then I finally got the chance to experience the GTA's story, gameplay and flavours that I was teased with all these years, still after about 50 hours and finishing the game, I was not nearly as satisfied in comparison to previous entries. I tried to put a finger on the problem, but couldn't reason why I felt that way, I just knew that even though I laughed, had fun and enjoyed the mechanics throughout the game it still had not made me feel what IV and SA had. Now this video, especially that final line of thought have enlightened me on something I could only feel but not put into words; it's truly sad, cause I wanted to care more about this game, but just can't
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I honestly lost any interest or hype in rockstar in their games at this point tbh. Especially after Red Dead 2, which I'm honestly not a huge fan of, as much as I adore Red Dead 1. The gameplay is there to complement the story, not the story complimenting the gameplay
Gameplay of RDR2 feels far too sluggish and slow. First game i stopped playing at the beginning and just uninstalled cause I was literally falling asleep while playing it during every session. RDR1 was far mor funner to play and engage in, i would buy an HD version of that in a heartbeat
@@2Good2BeTrue45 you missed out
RDR2's story is good, the controls are just so darn sluggish
@Aveteran Player You actually just made a pretty good point there
@Aveteran Player dude you're missing the fucking point and speaking clearly out of fanboy emotion. I never said the story wasn't good. I watched all the cutscenes and think it was very masterfully done. The gamelay was boring, sluggish and you felt like an obese tank moving Arthur around. Rockstar is also in this headspace where they try to micromanage every game they deal with and have this pretentious attitude or being "uber realistic", even down to minute movements that doeant need those extra details. Even hunting missions felt like a damn chore and a slog to get through, it was too much. A videogame should not feel like a damn chore or assignment, I play videogames to be entertained.
If anything, Rockstar owes me my money back cause I bought it thinking the gameplay was gonna be just fun, smooth relaxed and addictive as RDR 1
Sorry but RDR2 was absolute shit gameplay wise to RDR1 and you know it. All Rockstar games are going in that direction, which is killing the immersion and fun
Never really been a fan of GTA V to begin with. Yes I played through the entire story and yes I reached level 100 in online but honestly the game is so damn boring. I will never understand why it gets so much hype
I play with friends, GTA Online was always a dream online GTA experience for me, I don't enjoy the direction it went in over the years, but it still holds up for me as one of the most fun games with friends. If I'm bored I'll hop on and play for a few hours with friends and just goof around.
Boring enough to get to level 100 on online?
@Lord Fainza never said it was. I’m just saying dude found it fun enough to get to level 100.
You clearly enjoyed it enough to finish the entire story and reach level 100 online.
Its as simple that it formulates what GTA made in the first place, you figured it out yourself, you should have come here when GTA IV comes out, people in the forums are arguing to no end why isnt its as fun as San Andreas or Vice City
It's insane to me how much stuff GTA IV have and almost all of it is missing in GTA V.
GTA V has no heart. Its characters are not people. They’re caricatures of stereotypes. It’s hard to get immersed in something so unrealistic and childish.
When (Besides 4 and moments in other games) has GTA been realistic?
I agree. Rockstar games in general are terrible. @@Koopa69
You're definitely a hater
If you think this then literally the whole GTA series is not for you
@@ProGamez262Archived you’re right
gta v for me was like a girlfriend. she was hot and i had a lot of fun with her, but i had to give her a lot of real world money and attention, and it drained me in everyway from every orifice from my body, realising that my gf is just that, hot, she got no soul, a lot of fun but whats next.
@Skeletor That's a very fair view of seeing it that way. But for me, it felt like perhaps I needed to understand his depression myself, before I realised what our relationship truly meant. So, after I suffered my own pains, I went back to him, and we talked. Now, we go on long, quiet walks together, feeling each others pain and trying to understand it, while making it a point to enjoy and cherish the true beauty of the world around us, the best we can.
You summed up in one comment why i never had a girlfriend in my life.
All flash, no substance (all that i've met, not saying all women are like that)
For me the satire was too much. I know gta was always about satire but i felt like rockstar added too much and seeing every character embody that was painful to watch for me. Also i felt franklin doesnt quite fit in the story. After the first heist he is literally just an assistant helping in the heists and has not much character growth.
Capitalism is so amazing you can make up an entire game pointing out its “flaws” on gaming platforms made with the help of capitalism and not worrying about going into a breadline to eat afterwards.
So true 😂
It's so great that they sacrifice features and GamePlay for mass appeal and money
Imagine not having the slight idea of how living standarts are in the world and prpbaly even in whatever country you are
@@RedemptionDenied666 Blame the consumers, not capitalism. If gamers actually banded together and exerted their power as consumers, companies wouldn't do this stuff.
Capitalism is the best economic system we ever had!
Kinda ironic that the devs team that gives players so much freedom from the get-go, also creates very linear and restrictive missions. But nevertheless, i spent 100+ hours replaying IV story, and explored entire SA for 100% completion.
With V however, it's just meh to me. Sure the graphic is great and the gameplay is much smoother, but after its story completion, i have no interest in replaying it nor doing any side activity, and i feel that its large map was created for the sake of being large so exploring it feels like a chore if anything.
And oh boy dont get me started with Online...
This game is boring as hell
Just because it sounds like hotcakes doesn't mean it's that good. Honestly GTA 3 Vice City and San Andreas were a lot more fun
every gta before gta V was fun because it was back when Rockstar Games and every other AAA company still cared for making good games
@@lecafarddelinternet lmfao can you ppl stop acting like they didn’t just release rdr2 lmao the gaming community is so whiny
No, rdr2 was good, but just because they released a good game 2 years ago, don't excuse them for making a boring gta V and milking gta and red dead online with microtransactions and boring content.
you mean sells?
@@lecafarddelinternet fam it’s not 2000 anymore u want quality GAMECHANGING shit? Then wait 5 years or get a cyberpunk
Honestly they should've started the perspective from Trevor 1st then lead to Michael then Franklin. But with that said they REALLY insulted the REAL San Andrea's fans by making the groove street crew looking like a b*+$h because by the end I had no love for Franklin and honestly wish I could've killed him over everyone but I choose to save everyone. And yea Michael was the easier one to hate because of how bi-polar he is which we could've just gotten with Trevor; but Franklin had 1 track missions that only mattered when the heist or interaction with another character happened. They had 0 love for some aspects of the game but HALF THE MAP IS POINTLESS! EVEN ON ONLINE!
Grove Street falling apart makes sense in a way. In the OG game the crew was completely carried by the main cast and once they decided to leave the gang life behind the only people left were low level street thugs.
@@donalddarko5807 GTA San Andreas and GTA 5 are not in the same universe
@@Flippa6601 It hasn't been confirmed whether or not this is true. The only evidence would be that the GTA V redesigned Los Santos but they still have references to GTA San Andreas. Even if it is in a different universe, Stretch in an Early mission mentioned the gang fell apart soon after the OG's left the hood.
Not just Grove Street...the lost are reduced to generic bad biker npcs and Johnny's brain is smeared in front of Trevor's trailer
@@donalddarko5807 They literally were saying GTA IV is reboot and nothing from III-San Andreas carries over. GTA V is in same universe as IV so ... they are both in reboot version, and III-San Andreas never happened. I suspect mentions is to try and buy back disgruntled betrayed players like myself who slammed the doors shut at GTA IV already after all our investment was turned into "Ha ha ! Nothing mattered ! We're rebooting everything, deal with it !" but the damage has already been done. There was chunk of playerbase who left at premiere of GTA IV franchise forever.
I don’t like the story because of how slow it starts and how boring it can be
Rockstar makes great games but the story of this game is objectively bad.
The worst part is that no one would have noticed that this game is as empty and angry as it is if it wasn’t released over and over for 10 years
I put the game down a week after it launched lmao
Didn't see what was so good about it and when Trevor killed johnny I got sick of it and turned it off
Skyrim effect
Shhhh atleast Skyrim still have do something
Playing it in highschool when it first came out (I feel old lol), I didn't hate V, I just felt let down because it didn't have that GTA feel like it's previous games. Even world building details like random pedestrian fights, cops arresting/chasing pedestrians, pedestrian reaction as a whole wasn't really there. I've felt it gets high praise only because it looks good and plays easier than previous GTA games. Especially playing IV & it's DLC's, I noticed alot of something missing jumping from that game to V
Gta 5 really didn't do anything about its wanted system. Mafia definitive edition had improved it by a lot.
Playing GTA V makes think about how unfinished the game world feels.
😂the sad fact is the game was finished on 2012 having more missions more content ...but what jokestar do on 2013 just cut everything from the game to milk the online
The game is so open-world yet, like mentioned, just is so empty and feels really boring. I mean, look at the beach and compare it to what we are getting with VI it’s so empty compared to that.
I tried Online for a few minutes and I just got so bored attempting to make my own club…..
We don’t know if we’re getting that for VI. At past studios I’ve worked at my coworkers would fluff up our trailers with asset density to give it a more cinematic trailer feel. It looks like VI is doing the same thing ESPECIALLY with that beach scene. I don’t think that’s gameplay.
But we’ll see when that time comes
It was revolutionary in 2013. Stop trying to be different so bad
@@LUXXEN-yx9hvYou weren't even around in 2013
@@joshuatealeaves rockstar doesn't lie in their trailers, one of the few things I have to give credit to them, they just need to get their writing team sorted and the game would be pretty good
@@broreallysad They don’t lie straight up. But it is fluffed up for the trailer. You can see this in their other trailers as well. You’re perceiving what I’m saying as a negative when it’s not. Everyone does this
That take about GTA IV vs V is spot on. I never though about it this way, and indeed, I shared your feeling of "disappointment" upon the first time I finished IV.
With that said, GTA IV did have some monotonous and linear missions as well. I still think it's the better one, though.
Well you got me, you used Berserk music and gave a speech
I find it nuts how Los Santos can look so oversaturated and colorful and yet so gray/tan and boring at the same time, everywhere on the map
I feel like because Dan Houser left Rockstar, I'm genuinely concerned for future Rockstar titles
Back in 2000s everyone is calling Saints Row series is a copycat of GTA series. Meanwhile today, GTA Online is now a Saints Row look-alike
I see the characters as the different players themselves. Michael is the player that wants to make the money, but absolutely hates the grind of it all. Franklin is the story focused fans, wanting to make something bigger of himself. Trevor is the player that just wants to blow shit up, like when we would save in GTA:SA and use the gun cheats.
perfect opportunity to bring back grove streets. but nah had to focus on sharkcards.
Those kid friendly Gta 5 and online youtube is the worst
Ive always found gta 5 to be the most uncreative, unoriginal bland game possible for a grand theft auto title
Yakuza is the opposite of GTA small map but alot to explore and do. Like sub stories (side quests) and side stories if Rockstar could even do a tiny bit of it then the game would be 10x better
Yeah gta5 above all else is depressing. Can’t quite put my finger on how, but it is
It's empty asf
I think gta 5 is the most unfairly hated game i ever seen
thanks rockstar for ruining an amazing game
most hated game with 100 million copies sold lol haters can't do anything but trashtalking like idiots
It’s actually horrible for beginning, it’s complicated, and has a bad user interface
Imagine Rockstar watched this and was like "finally someone got it, we can make gta 6 Now"
I actually rather enjoyed the story mode. I felt it fit the times when it dropped pretty well. Though I do agree the world could have been much more immersive. It was needlessly large, and the only thing it really was for was to create different situations when running from the cops that definitely need an improvement. I like how the AI got smarter and much more aggressive compared to IV, but what the hell is the point of buying a silencer for your guns if you’re going around popping people quietly and the cops automatically and magically know where you’re hidden? Same for stealth killing and such. The whole point of those styles is discretion, and the system completely defeats the purpose. As for GTA Online, I had some friends that were very into it, but it’s just another grindy MMO at this point. I got to level 80 on my PS3 run, but when I came back years later to find that the PS3 servers are now gone, and my opportunity to transfer to PS4 was gone, I never got past Level 10. Too many trolls, too many cheaters, too many pisspoor kids. Not worth the time.
Yeah you can't, push people holding. Cup of coffee or their phone then throw it at them
Nah the ai sucks ass in gta v, like the more I played gta v the shit gradually got worse and worse to outright annoying and problematic, I really hate how if you snipe someone from far away like up on a building somewhere or specifically at Franklin’s house the police automatically know where to find you even if the sniper you used is equipped with a suppressor, and it literally takes the whole meaning out of a suppressor like why implement it into the game if the cops immediately get contacted? also if you snipe a enemy near some more of them they automatically know where you’re at like wtf. Another thing I hate is how your trying to hide from the cops in a far away area from where you committed a crime the cops somehow think to search the area that you’re in despite not ever being told anything about us being there. another example which earned this games ai to be the absolute worst which is the npc’s, when your trying to flee from the cops the npc’s just blatantly crash into you and then become immovable objects because they die from impact, you don’t even have to tap them or anything if they get touched they’re hp drops to fucking zero and then they’re car will either not move or drive all by itself, also heads up make sure you don’t try to flee from the cops on a motorcycle because if you di they will run you over, they will fucking crush you. Also for some reason if you try to get away from the cops in a cop car then the tires either immediately get shot out or are already fucked up/off the hinges, but somehow the cops themselves are fucking racers and no matter how much damage you do to they’re car they will always be faster, stronger, and ultimately annoying which makes the whole experience just fucking irritating. When people started complaining about the ai in gta 4 being too easy Rockstar took it to a whole over level hell that is an understatement they went over the top with the shit, they really made sure we wouldn’t have fun with this games ai, but somehow in missions whenever you need to get away from some enemies or even the cops none of the shit I listed happens and it’s just like “grand theft auto wtf??”, maybe this is a lesson not to complain about shit, maybe it was a blessing gta 4’s ai wasn’t as bad because rockstar proved that they can fuck up anything for us if we bitch and complain about it too much.
GTA 5 was good, but i can't tell you how many times i was doing favors for random, weird NPC's i didn't like and got nothing in return.
well not online
the story mode of the game is actually very good but online is probably the shittest game ever
I mean, it wasn't complete hypocrisy back in 2013, only tangentially.
Now it's hypocrisy.
So so so glad you made this. I felt like I was the only one that felt like SP was so lackluster. They should have packed it with mini games and things to do. I think they just wanted to push people online. I’m not hopeful for gta vi
For me it was just, GTA felt like a real world, unlike other games where you know that you are in a game
Even the money grind felt accurate in online.
You can make a million just doing trash work, but just how much is 1 million worth in GTA? it can't buy you much, maybe a car, and an apartment. Even the inflation felt real, shark cards have not gone up, but prices for vehicles have. It's a little too realistic.
Nailed it. Def one of the most cynical things I’ve ever experienced (game movie tv show etc) it’s not like SA or GTA 4 where the satire is endearing or good-natured, in this game it’s all so mean spirited and "look how smart I am" like whoever wrote the shit must hate life/themselves/America/everything
The biggest thing makes gta 5 better than 4 for me is the number of vehicles you can own and customize that, and gta 4 fans are so damn toxic it just ruins the experience.
U nailed the reason y I've never tried replaying the game when I was done. I found it depressing asf. Michael kept talking about cooperates governments and capitalism and how nothing matters.
Franklin kept talking how no matter what he does he'll always circle back to square one, never moving up in the world, never really achieving anything
And Trevor is constantly betrayed or used by the closest people around him, ie Michael, Wade's cousin and his mother.
GTA V is a guide to life a purely material, empty, sad and meaningless life
"every character is irredeemable broken and just kind of shity"
That's how pretty much all gta characters have been up until San Andreas.
Gta 3 starts off with you being shot in the face by your own girlfriend and ends with you killing her and then killing a lady you just saved because she talked to much.
Liberty city stories your own mother calls a hit on you because you didn't want anything to do with the mafia and the hit only gets called off after you've murdered thousands people and bomb up an entire city block for the mob.
Vice city stories you get dishonorably discharged from the military because you were holding on to drugs that were for your sergeant which he also forced you to sell.
Vice city the brother (lance) of the character you played in vice City stories gets his brother killed and a bad drug deal after the end of vice City stories he promised to stop getting his brother involved with moving drugs. He then goes on to sell you out to mafia boss that came to visit you that you plotted it to kill , even though you literally spent the entire game helping lance out .
Characters in GTA have always been larger than Life, over the top irredeemably bad people.
Gta online is the most soulless and cynical game I have ever played. There's no point to anything except granding money. The gameplay feels repetitive. Theres barely any fun in it. The characters are unlikable and annoying. The world feels bland. Most of the mission are formulaic and feel the same. Almost everything in the game is overpriced
Video games and fiction in general is supposed to be a break from reality and help you find great or compelling things about reality. Gta Online does not do neither. The game feels like a job. The game has nothing interesting to say about its world or character. No reason to do anything but make money. The only reason I play it is because my friends play it. They play it, because it gives them something to do. Honestly if I was given three wishes. One of them would be to get rid of this soulless garbage
V got nice diversity, but story is kinda mess. Its like joking about something while the VC and SA try to capture the vibe and experience the tense of character as the thing goes big and deep
And comparing it to GTA San Andreas or Vice city: Buying houses and businesses that unlocked missions, conquering the hood etc. So much more depth to those games
We commoner peasants really cannot understand 45-50 year old millionaires.
There was hope and passion in GTA4 but there's no hope in GTA5, just money. The assets are amazing and music is sometimes too, but the rest is just like Trevor shitting in the beautiful girlfriend apartment and killing her eventually. Ungrateful and perverted. I can't make myself play GTA5 story, as it starts when they kill off TLaD with pleasure. So I'd rather play 3,4,SA over and over instead.
GTA IV is my favorite GTA game. Niko is such a good character and the story telling in the game made it one of my favorite stories of fiction.
Makes sense, negan was an xbox gamer and he'd probably played gta 4
Got distracted by the berserk music can’t even lie
The games major flaw I hate is how they want us to be violent in the game yet if we blow up players in cars we end up in the bad sport lobby. Why get violent in a game if we get into trouble for it
we need more videos like this, if we had ten more of these coming out every week then maybe rockstar would listen for once.
Rockstar needs to do a game on a smaller map. A GTA V game that improves on RDR2 main character and npc interactions. GTA V has a lot of buildings and characters that do nothing if they scaled down the map they could probably utilize more assets.
Idk i kinda liked the 3 cities and countryside gta sa offered
@@oddgbmo3036 Well there were things to do in those parts of the city or countryside. GTA V is just big map with nothing but a few clothing stores. Barbershops and tattoo shops. And a car garage you can go to to upgrade your vehicle. That’s about it.
For me personally, games like GTA stop being fun when I try reading into it like a book instead of just playing it like a game. They told the story they wanna tell through the cutscenes and dialogue and did a good job doing it. You've got missions that are like Max Payne 3 levels but with the GTA formula, and you've still got the entirety of Los Santo's open world to explore and cause chaos in. I think the reason the world feels empty is because WE are getting older and we've already done this countless times in San Andreas as kids, it doesn't seem as new anymore especially after playing so many other games like mafia, saints row etc. Rockstar has to please 3 generations of VERY different audiences with 1 game, and I think they pulled it off.
Still think they should've made manhunt 3 instead tho.
Also to add to your point, there has never been new mechanics introduce into this 2013 game, so much of its flaws is leftover from that era, RDR2 perfected some of this flaws, story for example where alot of people shat on in V but now has the same problem as IV where its to some people less fun
That's what I was thinking. Where oh where is Manhunt 3? Oh that's right we care too much about sipping the GTA Online milk and hurting feelings too much for that game to come out. That's why a part of me thinks that GTA 6 will probably be even worst than GTA V. The fun aspect of the game is being taken away from us. They want to focus on realism but yet if you shoot someone with a shotgun in the head in GTA V and GTA IV, it's so hypocritically unrealistic(unlike in games like GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas, and most currently Red Dead Redemption 2), What's happened to you Rockstar lol. Also RDR and RDR2's ending and overall story were great because Arthur and John are characters you actually could laugh and cry with together, their deaths were both really sad. Even when Big Smoke died in San Andreas, I nearly wanted to tear up. This video needed to be made. Don't get me wrong, there are some things I do like about GTA V but it is so hypocritical and makes you want to facepalm so hard.
Just replayed GTA San Andreas and GTA 5 does in fact feel emptier.
No it felt empty when I tried playing it back in 2018 for the first time
Honestly I remember just reading a bunch of stuff about how gta v was not as strong compared to other entries. Someone mentioned how this game felt like it was made out of fan service. That’s the perfect description for gta v.
GTA 4 IMO had the best story.
No it's gta 3 for the protagonist alone. He had so much emotion
So funny that the linear nature of GTA V missions is why DarkViperAU hates RDR2, but GTAV has the same level of being linear just with a weaker story to tell to justify it.
(Best GTA’s ive played)
1-GTA san andreas
2-Vice city
3-Gta 4
4- GTA 4: Ballad of gay tony + Lost & Damned
Gta 5 was ok, gta 3 was hard af
Hot take but GTA San Andreas is just so overrated at this point. It's good but it's not THAT good.
edit: Vice City and IV were better
I don't think that 5 does characters well at all actually. Maybe I'm biased because 4 is my favorite one bur Niko is a good protagonist. He's a victim of trauma and all he knows how to do is be a criminal. He never had the option to be anything other then a criminal and because of that he's a self destructive nihilist. He finds in America that its all a lie. I feel like 4 honestly does rhe same things you think 5 does with the deconstruction of the American excess but it's done differently. From the perspective of an outsider. Just by merit of being born in America, 5's protagonists have more genuine freedom and opportunity. But my issue is not just with rhe absolute stupidity if the narrative but that no character except Franklin is relatable or even interesting. Micheal is an entitled boring man stuck in his mid life crisis. He's already made it and can't enjoy his life. He had no stakes until he decides to be an insane person. His family is horrible and I don't feel any emotion at his reunion. He doesn't deserve a happy ending. Trevor is an outdated protag, his only personality traits is being an insane person. None of his story is interesting. He's just a psychopath. Frankin feels like a good character surrounded by an awful story that turns him into an equally bad character.
Yeah I agree. there aren't many layers to their personalities. Trevor is a one-dimensional character masquerading as a fourth-demensional one. He is a shallow shamble that makes up the rules as he goes along. He annoyingly distracts and overshadows the charming development of Franklin and maybe Even Michael but arguably so. His inconsistencies and tasteless violent behavior really derailed the narrative. I don't think anyone who isn't collecting kids toys and drooling over spandex-clad musclemen are going to find him all that interesting or funny either. I might be wrong but I feel like the writers were too fool of themselves when it came to Trevor. Trevor reeks of the kind of self-satisfied arrogance of a hack comedian making a dumb crowd go wild. At the end of the day, GTA 5 is a cynical corporate exercise rolled into a rotten chimichanga of the worst impulses of modern Hollywood
If GTA online wasnt as popular as it was im sure r* wouldve focused more on extra story content. i wonder what we coudlve gotten if things had gone different
Gta V is trash, characters are trash that looks like it was taken out of a South Park episode, everyone is crazy and annoying, story is trash, theres nothing to do in the map, you cant enter anywhere, theres no minigames, you cant buy houses, everything is empty, driving is arcade, game is less realistic than GTA IV, you get a lot of money from the heists but you have nothing to buy with it, you cant call other characters to do something like in GTA IV ...
RDR1, RDR2, GTA San Andreas are 1 million times better
GTA San Andreas story:we make a simple story with a point of betrayal and loss,and then coming back stronger to destroy what made YOURE friends into drug dealers, addicts to crime, and seeking refuge in the other side of the world
GTA 4: we seek freedom, but freedom you heard is a lie, you fight for it and do every single thing for it,but you fail to get it and end up bowling with you friend for ever
Gta 5:HAHA,we are hypocrits
Gta 5 is shit the old ones rock forever
i just hate tgey focused on stupid GTA online and not GTA VI
GTA 4 will always be my favorite. Sorry, not sorry.
17:17 That part where you had a thought about all three characters presenting something of the GTA is the most interesting part, I think
Michael - the capitalist GTA V who tries to make a society approved game for everyone
Franklin - the ghost of GTA Sand Andreas
Trevor - the real GTA with all the madness and explosions and stuff
It wasn’t revolutionary. You couldent enter much interior buildings, the map felt kinda dull, couldev added more towns but they didnt. Story was weird. It has some great points yea but i feel it wasnt all that great
Gta V: mocks american life and corporations
Online: Irony
PLEASE READ: I try to keep my videos as short as possible so I know I've missed stuff out. I haven't highlighted GTA 5's great points as much for that reason. I know this video will get heat. GTA 5 is a great game, I'm putting that on the record! Still, there's so much crap surrounding it up to this point that I truly believe is, at the least, worth acknowledging! Some stuff has been hyperbolized for poetic and comedic effect too ight so don't go mental about that. Anyways, hope u enjoy!
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