Expat or Immigrant? The Truth About My Life in Greece🇬🇷
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I am Greek, and I immigrated in the US 43 years ago. When I was young, my mentality and attitude was., I am a Citizen of the World, and I can go anywhere I want on this Planet. Greeks are saying.” Όπου γης και Πατρίς” , which means, “ anywhere that is Land can be your Country”. The word ( Expatriate ) , its root derives from the Greek word “ Πατρίδα”, which means “, your native country”, where you were born, raised, speak your mother‘s tongue, and you’re familiar with its costumes… In Ancient Greece, in order to be identified as Greek, you had to speak the Greek language and espouse the Greek culture. In my opinion, Daniel, you’re already a Greek.
In Canada, I am Greek/Canadian. In Greece, I am Canadian/Greek.
Nuff Said…
Ελληνας του Καναδα εισαι εδω στην Ελλαδα
Kserei ti leei o John. An exei profora estw kai ligo sto Canada ton thewroun opws to graphei kai to idio ginetai otan paei stin Ellada. Einai san na min anoikoun pouthena really. To exw dei kai me Ellines apo Australia auto to prama.
First, let's clarify the terms. An expat is a person who lives outside their native country, usually for a limited period of time, and may or may not intend to return to their home country. On the other hand, an immigrant is a person who moves to a new country with the intention of settling there permanently.
People hang on to words like flies on poop, its very unfortunate. Words are just agreed upon mouth sounds we use in order to communicate ideas to each other, nothing more. It's really not that serious. There's a beautiful quote by Alan Watts that I absolutely love "things don't have any meaning words have meanings because they point to something other than themselves". By the way, I just got to Greece yesterday and it is absolutely incredible, I love it here! Maybe I will become an immigrant here as long as I can find a way to assimilate properly. Thank you for your videos. Sas efcharistó.
Expat is the term that the westerners like to use to differentiate themselves from the correct term Immigrant........
Love your story of Mexico. Yes, it's confusing. I just realized that my dad was not an immigrant, but a Greek refugee when he left Smyrna Turkey in 1922. I teased him that he was Turkish, he kept correcting saying he was Greek Egyptian. After WWII, immegrated to Greece, then to Canada. So, what does that make him? Turkish, Greek, Egyptian as that is where he grew up, so confusing...He was fluent in 5 languages by the time he came to Canada.
Expatriate (Expat) is a lardy dar title for immigrant. It is was first coin by the Anglo-westerners so as to distinguish them as being different to those “immigrants” who immigrated into their nation!
Namely the UK and the USA Anglo-westerners.
actually it is not a "lardy dar" title for an immigrant- By definition an expat is a person who lives outside their native country, usually for a limited period of time, and may or intend to return to their home country or somewhere else. An immigrant on the other hand is a person who moves to a new country with the intention of settling there permanently. However, there is no need to label or argue or cause anxiety, at the end of the day for whatever reason which is personal to Daniel, he has chosen to reside in Greece, no different to my late father and mother choosing to live in Australia- Power to him!
No not really
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First, let's clarify the terms. An expat is a person who lives outside their native country, usually for a limited period of time, and may or may not intend to return to their home country. On the other hand, an immigrant is a person who moves to a new country with the intention of settling there permanently.
@@LasVEGASandLosAngelesDRIVING Like I said a lardy dar term! Justifying it by splitting hairs.
A patriate is someone who has signed authority over to another country.
An expatriate is someone who has who has totally abandon the mother land.
@@stevebouralexis7162 Like I said a lardy dar term! Justifying it by splitting hairs.
A patriate is someone who has signed authority over to another country.
An expatriate is someone who has who has totally abandon the mother land.
😊Ηi DANIEL, young man. I tell you what you are : YOU ARE VERY GREEK 🇬🇷. 🎉 👍
I will attempt to define the terms immigrant and expat based on my experience of how people identify themselves. An expat is a person who relocates to one or more countries without being dependent on the country where they relocate. Think of international corporate employees, retirees, digital entrepreneurs, etc. They may develop professional activity in the new country, but they still think they can return to their homeland or migrate elsewhere. Expats are usually reluctant to integrate with the local society and they easily relocate. An immigrant is a person who seeks work in the labor framework of a new country and wants to feel like a member of the society. The immigrants usually feel rejected if society doesn't accept them, but at the same time, they fear the prospect of losing their cultural identity. Greeks in the USA, young migrants because of brain drain, crisis, etc. That said, I consider myself an immigrant who is extremely happy living in Greece.
Strange never thought about it before, i think of myself has an expat ive lived in Greece 24 years i have a permanent residency permit (English born in UK) but never thought of myself has a immigrant hmm worrying we even have a group on fbook expats in saronica and my wife is Greek/Scottish
Thanks!
Daniel you are our brother , I hope you love this country ❤ forever and never have a change your mind .
Labelling! You are both and neither. We are all citizens of the world and at the same time unique individuals.
That is their issue and you are doing great. I understand some people read into expat because expatriot in the US can indicate someone who has abandon their country, dislikes their country and in some cases have been traitors. But in today's society it means that you are just seeking to enjoy other countries. So they can just chill and not project their own feelings onto you. The correct approach would be for them ask the question politely and seek understanding from you. Love your videos!
I'm a German that has been living 20 years in Greece. Greeks usually tell me that I'm not a μετανάστρια, a migrant, because migrants in their eyes are those who flee from poverty or a war. I'm just a ξένη, a foreigner or to some I'm even Ελληνίδα, a Greek, because I speak, think dream and behave like one.
Someone could also say I'm an ex patriae (lingua latina radix lectis "expat" est) l, out of my fatherland, which is also correct.
I'm all this together. Just as I'm a daughter, a mother, a wife, a friend, a cousin, an aunt, etc.
planet earth has no borders, borders have been created from (humans) for trade wars!
My friend we re all immigrants and they treat us like that at job interviews. Even if you re Greek!
Love your channel! Γεια σου;
My take on this term is that for some people “expat” is used by white folks to describe themselves, when immigrating, often from the UK, to another place (usually a former colony). This is to distinguish themselves from mere “immigrants” which has negative connotations for some- often referring to people with darker complexions who are poor and in search of a better life.
I know it’s a horrible distinction, but this is what can set some people off. I am born and raised in Canada, so this reflects my experience with these words. My father is Greek and he immigrated to Canada years ago.
Personally, for me “expat” and “immigrant” are equivalent.
Hi Danny, I'm Greek and used to be HR manager, based mostly in Greece, for a foreign multinational. Now, when we received an employee from another coutry to work in Greece, we identified him/her as "inpat" because he was "inbound". If a Greek colleague would move from Greece to work elsewhere, then he was an "expat".Anyway, that's just trivia. Important thing is that Greek, Venezuelan, English etc. mean little to nothing. It's the individual that matters and you're an interesting one, cheers!
Great video mate! Keep up the great work!! People are funny and cling on to labels, sometimes not even knowing how or why they feel that way! 🧐then there are people like us, that just keep being ourselves!
Very interesting video that hits close to home for us. When we decided on the name of our channel “Traveling Expats” we had no idea that the term Expat would cause such emotional reactions. Anyway, we feel much like you and certainly aren’t implying that we are better than anyone else. Thanks for the video!
Don’t worry about critics man, people get offended way too easily these days and for nothing ! Victim mentality :/
Someone called me an immigrant while I was living in Finland, and to be honest, I didn't appreciate it at all. You aren't an immigrant when you are working, paying taxes, getting educated and have a resident card in a foreign country. Now, I am living in Spain, married to a Spaniard, I still feel Greek, but I also consider Spain as my home.
You, Daniel, of all people, you deserve to feel Greek as well, but you don't have to. You are welcome as you are and as you feel.
Omg people what is your problem Daniel is Daniel now why are you following Daniel . Bravo have great holiday bless you and your family ❤
Why does it matter what others think of you? I’m a Greek/Italian that live in Sydney and i don’t give a flying fuck about what others think regarding this matter. I’d suggest you to do the same thing. The more you integrate in the society you live in, the less others will see you as an outsider.
To give you guys an example:
If as a Greek moved to the USA TO WORK for a better life etc , then I’m an immigrant,
But later in my life when I retire , I decide to move to the Philippines to live cheaper etc , then I’m an EXPAT
Well if you live there permanently you are still a migrant,unless you live for couple of months and go back to where you come from and you are working in place you still immigrant to them there is no expat visas or something like that
thanks Daniel....funny i've always been refered to as "xenoi"...😅🤔👻
Again, guys … LEARN TO CLARIFY THE TERMS :
1) An EXPAT is a person
who lives outside their native country, usually for a limited period of time, and may or may not intend to return to their home country.
2) an IMMIGRANT is a
person who moves to a new country with the intention of settling there permanently.
So in your case dear friend, technically speaking, you’re an immigrant… which is as cool as being an expat
Hard no at this. In life you cannot predict who will return and who will not. It is funny because relocated pensioners often call themselves expats.
An expatriate (expat for short) is either an immigrant or an emigrant, depending on which perspective you look at the person from, respectively from the country of destination or of origin of the person. The fact that a word like “expat”, which should normally bear a neutral connotation, angers most people, especially from less fortunate countries who saw a lot of past emigration, is due to the fact that most people in richer countries call their fellow compatriots leaving their country “expats” to nobilitate them while, at the same time, they call “immigrants” people coming into their own country from less fortunate countries, often with a negative connotation. Double standards and hypocrisy is what angers people, and I frankly understand them perfectly well.
Exactly.
Hello Dan. I for appreciate your candid response. You are doing and amazing job. Keep it up brother. I am in preparation to relocating to Greece next year. I am currently studying Greek in am app. And I am starting my online business! I currently live in the states.
I will keep my health care which is about $505 per month. I also know I need to apply for a visa if I stay longer than 90 days.
There are lots of variables but a little preparation goes along way. Keep up the good work. You’re a very find man and we are indebted to your more than giving spirit. Hope to meet you one day. Best, Ed
Listen man, nobody said you couldn’t live and Greece and have a great life but you’re an immigrant
Hi Dan. As a Greek Canadian this emphasizes my connection to both cultures. It highlights how both aspects of my heritage are integral to who I am. The terms "expat" or "immigrant" might feel limiting or not fully representative of the rich blend of experiences and identities that I symbolize.
The British guy under the beard trying to be Greek. Expat or exprat xxxx
Hi Daniel,
For many people, the difference between expatriates and immigrants is essential; for some, it is not that important. The intent of an individual's stay in a foreign country determines the significant difference between these two terms. When you decide to stay permanently, you become an immigrant, as the psychological process will change your perception of yourself and how the world will see you. People want to label others as it lies in the essential nature of human survival to share the same resources with the immigrant, such as food, work, and cultural norms in a particular place. I research expats for my PhD and am also an immigrant in the US. The integration process for immigrants into a new culture differs slightly from that of ex-pats, as ex-pats usually do not compete with the burden of economic survival, as their intent is usually to work for and is time-limited. In contrast, Immigrants often face acculturative issues such as language barriers, identity confusion, and cultural issues. The best way to integrate into a new culture is to migrate to a place with similar cultural dimensions.
You are an immigrant like me
Excellent conversation. I'm from Alaska USA, and I wonder what the reaction would be if the Haitians in Springfield Ohio who have received such trouble from political hatred and lies would introduce themselves as Expats. Would they receive more or less respect versus immigrant or refugee? The difference in terms is not something I've thought much about. Thanks. I just wish people would understand we are all just humans and all deserve dignity and respect no matter where they live.
Hi Dan. Greek living in Melbourne Australia. We are immigrants here. Huge Greek population here. Always considered myself Greek. Friends are from all parts of the world as there are many immigrants living here. My final comment. Here in AUS everyone has a Nick name. With your background, my nickname for you would be VEN DAN. Maybe you have been called this? Thank you for your regular videos. Very informative. Keep up the good work.😊
Μήπως πολύ το ψειρίζουμε;
but you are privileged you are married to a greek and that gives you an automatic ταυτοτιτα , και δεν εισε Ελληνας ,εγω ειμε Ελληνας but i cant live in Greece i can only be there for for three months ,so consider your self lucky
Daniel no te lleves de la gente. Los que se encojonan porque no te pueden pigeonhole en una cajita son problematicos. No hace falta k te expliques. Mono prospathise na milas Ispanika sto spiti xk el espan̈ol es imprescindible hoy dia. Yo soy Liza de Nafplio. Ya vivo en londres pero say ciudadana del mundo. No me importa lk diga la gente, take it easy mate, f*** them .don't explain yourself, these dumb comments only reflects badly on them.
You are immigrant of love😉
Dont waste your time and energy on this issue. I was born and raised in Athens, Greece but I have lived in England for well over a decade now. I m a Greek in England and not greek enough for Greece anymore. It is what it is. Much love
You are Greek - full stop. Others have explained why. According to the ancient Greeks, a Greek is one who has received a Greek education; therefore, one who speaks Greek and embraces the Greek culture and values. The DNA is irrelevant. The place of birth is irrelevant. Lord Byron is a Greek national hero. You might not know every detail of Greek history, but who does? You may also be Venezuelan and English if you still feel like that. Citizenship, nationality, and social labels like immigrant or expatriate are arbitrary modern concepts and change with context and time. In the 80s, my first wife (from Chile) got her Greek citizenship and national identity card the day after our marriage (so was the law then). When we divorced, she stayed in Greece, working for the government while I emigrated for a temporary professional training and finally became "French".
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"Το όμαιμον τε και ομόγλωσσον και ομόθρησκον και ομότροπον."
Αν σου λέει κάτι αυτή η φράση του Ηροδότου θα ξέρεις ότι ουδέποτε θεωρούσαν οι Έλληνες κάποιον Έλληνα απλά επειδή έλαβε ελληνική παιδεία.
Η περίφημη φράση του Ισοκράτη "καλούμε Έλληνες αυτούς που μετέχουν της ελληνικής παιδείας" αφορούσε αποκλειστικά και μόνο Έλληνες που λάμβαναν Αττική παιδεία.
Ουσιαστικά διαχώριζε Έλληνες από άλλους Έλληνες καθώς θεωρούσε την Αττική μόρφωση ανώτερη.
Και αυτό αποδεικνύεται από το γεγονός ότι ο ίδιος ήταν υπέρμαχος της συμμαχίας όλων των Ελλήνων υπό τον Φίλιππο εναντίον των βαρβάρων Περσών.
Μην χρησιμοποιείτε τους αρχαίους Έλληνες για να περάσετε "αντιρατσιστικά" μηνυματακια.. Οι αρχαίοι Έλληνες δεν ήταν ανόητοι σαν τους σημερινούς ραγιάδες..
Συμπαθέστατος ο κύριος αλλά δεν είναι Έλληνας όπως δεν θα ήμουν και εγώ Κινέζος αν πήγαινα να ζήσω στη Κίνα.
I made that comment. I don't think you should stop using the term expat if that helps your channel. I get triggered by our collective "decision" to use the two words in the way they are used. No hate for you personally.
Dan my friend if you want to be a reall Hellene you must study the Delphic maxims, search for them, perhaps you will like them
i cant even be an emigrant unless i come to Greece in on a φουσκοτο απο τουρκια
Expat seems like the best word choice. That’s my vote.
Expat just lives in a country but his income is from abroad.
An immigrant works in the country he lives!
To give you guys an example:
If as a Greek moved to the USA TO WORK for a better life etc , then I’m an immigrant,
But later in my life when I retire , I decide to move to the Philippines to live cheaper etc , then I’m an EXPAT