The cleric is the poster boy for sheer madness. 😱 “When you are mad, mad like this, you don't know it. Reality is what you see. When what you see shifts, departing from anyone else's reality, it's still reality to you.” ― Marya Hornbacher, Madness: A Bipolar Life
@Ragnar Odinsson why the faith bit?? I love the local vicar in my parish, however, it doesn't stop me knowing he is deluled, brainwashed and moreover, indoctrinated into irrational blind faith!
26:29 his statement that “neither you or I were here billions of years ago” could easily be turned on him because neither was there 5,000 years ago to know if the Torah was real or just literature.
I’ve been reading professor’s Dawkins books for decades, aside from his illuminating thoughts provoking lessons one thing that is just as impressive as his resume is, he never fails to be a total gentleman, no matter how deluded the other party may be, Richard keeps his cool and witted mind intact.
I share these sentiments. I have no religious beliefs but I'm fascinated by religions. Only morons throw stones and make a spectacle of themselves just as the Russian government is so perfectly demonstrating at present. _Ignorant bullies in the playground._
@@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264 Since when has Evolution been a belief? I've heard some dumb arse ignorant and retarded comments on TH-cam but that one is right up there buddy 🤭
Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. What if someone says, "Well, that's not how I choose to think about water."? All we can do is appeal to scientific values. And if he doesn't share those values, the conversation is over. If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic? - Sam Harris
Water actually is not hydrogen and oxygen. A thing can only be itself and nothing else, so water is water and atoms are atoms. However, water seems to “appear” when these atoms come together. This-is-creation.
@@youssefalaoui4286 Water most definitely is hydrogen and oxygen. You can't argue otherwise even if you want to. You just embarrass yourself if you do so.
This was one of the best discussion s about religion and atheism I have heard. Am basically a Dawkinist (if there is such a thing) but do agree with the Rabbi about the importance of identity and a sense of belonging to mental wellness.
Teaching confirmation bias & cognitive dissonance by ignoring overwhelming scientific evidence. Meanwhile, he holds firm to an ancient fable that not only has no evidence to support it's tales, there are mountains of evidence falsifying the very stories he's trying to defend. Anything positive he might try to offer in the way of traditional education or mental health, despite being well-intentioned, is automatically voided by his impossible stance against reality.
I saw a shortened version of this discussion on Dawkin's broadcast on the dangers of religion. I remember thinking that Rabbi Gluck did not come across well As I look years later at the full interview, I see it very differently. As a secular Londoner who was born Jewish I think the Rabbi handled himself extremely well. I very much admire Dawkins and believe he is right about the age of the earth and always going by the best evidence. However the Rabbi made very good points which Dawkins agreed with regarding Ireland and the fact that state schools might "produce" a more dangerous individual than a faith based school. As a Jew who is very much aware, as Dawkins is, about the staggeringly disproportionate number of Nobel prizes awarded to Jews and their utterly disproportionate contribution in general to science, the arts and values I find myself now thinking that Rabbi Gluck's school probably produced very nice students. Maybe they were not taught correct science but I am confident they had the capacity to work that out later on, and that's fine by me.
I think you are right Richard,the Rabbi finished very strongly about Ireland and how different countries teach different histories of the the same subject.
When the rabbi discusses the “oral Torah” early in the interview, I don’t think he makes it sufficiently clear that new interpretations and new understanding of the Law, which is constantly evolving, is not merely a matter of opinion, or of authority, but must be supported with a set of coherent arguments and evidence. Only those ideas that survive critical scrutiny are deemed acceptable. And by the way, this process falls entirely within the realm of human intellect, without divine intervention. This style of reasoning and critical thinking is very similar to the scientific method, except that rather than relying on empirical evidence, it is based on scripture, which is regarded as divinely inspired. I feel that this manner of thinking, dialog, and debate, when directed toward the study and interpretation of the secular, natural world, yields great scholarly accomplishment. I can’t prove my argument, but it seems plausible. Otherwise, I’m at a loss to understand it.
@@MendTheWorld I agree with your comments but I don't see why you say your making an argument. If I understand you correctly your referring to the Talmud and constant scholarly argument in order to refine ethics, custom and philosophical thought. I have huge respect for that and I think that it is that approach that has kept Jewish thought and practices so vibrant for so many centuries.
"No idea about science"...eh? Check out the number of Nobel Prize winners in science and you'll observe a great number of Jews and, of those, many retain their faith and belief in Judiasm.
I suggest you try grasp concepts like evidence, observation, measurement because, evidently, you have no measure of how wrong you are when you're not observed
Love Dawkins but Rabbi comes off better overall, because he isn’t trying to convert Dawkins… and Dawkins sadly is . Still Works well with less sophisticated debaters and hats down to Dawkins for that
@@matimus100 the only way to know is for us to read ect and look at the facts aswell you could say same of Dawkins we must read and look at this also and make our mind up
😠A meeting of intellectual giants living opposite realities. Richard’s approach was cautious, particularly at the beginning. It was iobvious that the Rabbi would terminate the interview and retain the film if pressed too far. Hilariously the rabbi tried to switch the conversation to football at one stage but Richard wasn’t having any. Watching the meeting was a very interesting and enjoyable experience. Thank you for the opportunity.
I would love for Dawkins to talk with Dr. Gerald Shroeder, or Rabbi Gotlieb, as both of these people are much more academically inclined. One is an orthodox Jewish physicist who has written many books on science and Torah, and how it fits together Rabbi Gotlieb is a young earth creationist who was a professor at John’s Hopkins and (in my opinion), a pretty good philosopher, who has written books about evidence for Torah being from God and things like that.
When I was a child, i used to look upto religious leaders thinking they were having higher intelligence with the blessings of god, and i would believe whatever they said. Now in my late 20s, I have become an Atheist, and I am able to finally see through the bullshit that these cult leaders are spreading in the society, literally making factions out of humanity.
It doesn't matter if people believed the sun goes round or the earth goes round or if the world was created yesterday.. what is more important is to: love for others what you love for yourself... I wish people concentrate on this and forget about the rest as they don't effect peoples life one way or the other.
The life and letters of Chatles Darwin, page 304 "In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God. - I think that generally (& more and more so as I grow older) but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."
In my opinion, the most damaging aspect of religion is that it breaks your brain by forcing you to believe even if your brain is screaming " it doesn't make sense!!!!! ". Why doesn't anyone talk more about the origin of religion? The bottom line is that powerful people (kings, lords, tribe chiefs, emperors, etc) used the "God talked to me" line to legitimize themselves and then make peasants obey and serve. Recent studies are starting to find that religious people are more gullible. This is a problem when we have to go to vote. Religious people will tend to believe the promises (lies) made by corrupt politicians even if the evidence is appalling. When religion forces you to believe irrational concepts, their goal is to brainwash you into disregarding the evidence. Trust in the LORD with all thine; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
I was a skeptic and had a distaste for anything "religious". I saw it as a fun killer. I still tolerate one's right to practice their religion even idol worship, flowers offered to gods and deities in Eastern cultures as long as there's no harm done to others. I was brought up Catholic, tried to obey the rules and be a good person with gritted teeth. Looking back, I can see that I was an uncaring and hard hearted person with a chip on my shoulder and unable to move out of that position. I needed an experience that would wipe out the pain of losing a father I loved and who left me and started another family. There was other baggage I could not resolve. I also became the problem in our marriage. Finally after being shamed and embarrassed by separations in the presence of friends with some skepticism, I accepted Jesus to be Lord of my life. I surrendered like a little child and was surprised by the transformation where bitterness and jealousy were smoothed over by a healing balm. I saw the world with new eyes. How can one argue and deny such an experience when peace and tranquility enters one's life? It was like being switched on for the first time since birth. I can't wait for science to validate what I call a supernatural experience and hold me to its scrutiny. Science is at odds with the supernatural. It is beyond the scope of science. That's why its called Supernatural.
@@peteconrad2077 Your reasoning is circular, so you haven’t proven anything at all. Science has drawn a boundary around its domain of authority, to include the physical natural universe and nothing else. Applying this ontological boundary, science limits itself from casting judgment on whatever might fall outside that boundary. This does not stop many scientists from claiming knowledge about matters they have explicitly excluded from their purview. I’ve never had any sort of transcendental experience, and I’m not looking for one. As an ardent scientist, I’m happy and comfortable with naturalism and empiricism, but I wonder why so many science zealots feel it’s their duty to render judgment about beliefs that fall outside the domain of science.
@@MendTheWorld as usual, absolute nonsense. Science explores anything real. All else doesn’t exist so there’s nothing else to explore. The supernatural has been explored with scientific methods and found not be real.
Hats off to the Rabbi (no pun intended). Some impressive mental gymnastics and a very good example of how an intellectual can convince anyone of anything.
Also hats off for his being so respectful of Dawkins , even when under fire 🔥… same sadly can’t be said of Dawkins who is absolutely brilliant when talking to others and exposing their stupidity 😀
yeah his argument about how if Dawkins was arguing with him as a scientist long ago he would have been trying to convince him the earth was flat. pretty clever
@@jasperhalsey8574 this is plainly false though, Dawkins is a man of evidence and wouldn’t make that assertion. There’s also the fact we’ve known the earth is a sphere for a very long time also.
Great discussion. I’ve watched it many times, both of them are highly intelligent and have great points. I’m especially impressed by the rabbi’s points about the atrocities of the anti-religious (nazis, communists). Also Dawkins’ point about the age of the world seems very incompatible with the jewish perspective. Great video.
31:44 Rabbi: "God wanted us to work within a certain time frame to make the world a good place". The Rabbi needs to add that God made a huge mistake in his choice - and admitted such - before killing almost every living thing with a flood and starting again at a NEW time frame. He's a Class A fool.
I watched this interview a long time ago in my angry atheist phase. I hated every word this Rabbi spoke. But coming back to this video as an adult (and new Muslim), I must say that I judged this Rabbi unfairly. He is a very thoughtful man regardless of his beliefs. If you only see someone for their beliefs, you'll cut yourself off from the wisdom that they have.
I would have to give the Rabbi 9/10… he is The rabbi and has the job of bearing the weights of historical Truths.. and the dust of time, running through what is a world waiting for change … yet we must stop and hold this Jewish jewel to be a live.. and worthy of all our love.. they hold the weight.. we can no longer bare.
Have to admit as religious guys go I quite like Rabbi Gluck (I'm not Jewish). I think he has a good insight into the human condition. On the other hand, like so many religious people, their knowledge of Science is weak. I think Dawkins conclusion about segregation of children could be right. Even in Secondary State Schools children are segregated on ability - streaming. A posh grammar school up the road will look down on the plebs in the poor state school. Identity is important.
“You have your tradition, we have our tradition…” prove your version of gravity is different from sciences by jumping from a height, you’ll find they remain the same!
How can you this hebrew priest follows a raving loony god yahweh/Jehovah whose only aptitude is to torture humans and little animals the only entity that comes from Genesis is the truthful snake and if you has studied religions you would know who SHE was the snake always tells the truth to HER children For behold, I have been with thee from the beginning; and I am that which is attained at the end of desire.
No religious fundamentalist will accept teaching children all religious traditions ever. It would mean that instead of being taught what to think the children would have to be taught how to think critically. Critical thinking is the anathema of fundamentalism. If every religious tradition had done this then religion would have disappeared long,long ago.
Definitely the best religious défense I have ever heard. Too bad this guy has to stick to his 5765 yr old earth belief but he defends it well. Sounds like poetry to me. A way to live. Certainly not for me but he isn’t telling me to believe his hocus pocus poppycock tale
So the summary of the rabbi's best arguments are that science isn't 100% correct and therefore the religious answer stands. That really shows the awful point, religion offers 'the answer', science finds 'an answer' and if a better or improved one comes along, supported by better evidence, it changes to that.
Neither religion or the theory of evolution have the answers we seek. The missing link is still missing as is the presence of the gods of religions. Surely being open minded and humble enough to admit we have much to learn about the universe and life would be a better approach.
Good conversation to reveal how these religions operate specially Abrahamic religions. The end story is that all of them are a way of business and making a living for people like the rabbi here and the power structure that needs to control the minds of its citizens and followers for their own benefits. The rabbi says I was not alive then to know if the age of earth is more than what I say. My question to him: “Moses never existed. How do you know he existed since you were not there to see he existed?” By the way, the answer is that Moses never existed. All is made up stories and myth. Including Jesus.
I really don't understand the Rabbi. He starts by saying Judism 'evolves' over time. Then when Dawkins says why can't you 'evolve' it again to account for facts, the Rabbi balks...
It’s true, the rabbi is not applying the same quality of critical thinking to scientific evidence that he applies to Torah. It’s science denial, and it needn’t be.
Judaism's "evolution" isn't as simple as Catholicism becoming Protestantism and becoming modern day reformed liberal churches. The "evolution" in Judaism is only restricted to legal aspects. There isn't actually an agreed fixed theology in Judaism; someone who doesn't believe in God, or believes that God is Satan and call themselves a Satan worshipper can still be a Jew, and a rabbi, and a good rabbi on top of that. In fact there are many Ultra-Orthodox Hardcore Conservative Rabbis that would be willing to accept the theory of evolution and that the world is billions of years old. And they will teach this to people who are less religious to help them reconcile their beliefs about science and religion and open a pathway back for them to practice Jewish law. However, teaching that to someone religious is problematic because it makes one question the literal reading of the text and will affect how someone walks their religious life in regards to the practical aspects. As the rabbi in the video said, the stories mean more to people if they are true stories or at least believed to be as such. The difference between Orthodox Judaism and Reform Judaism isn't theology about these trivial things, it's about how strictly they practice Jewish law. And in Reform Jewish circles where things like evolution are more defended vs young earth ideas, the people are just less strict about Jewish law. Hence why, it is important that the stories do not evolve, because it would lead people to stop following the "evolved" law. Tl;dr Judaism is all about laws and not beliefs.
lots of Orthodox Jews study Science and cosmology, it depends how they interpret their religion. Besides that, the half life of truth in science is 3 minutes...And, Science is not a religion, Science is one way of viewing reality, its not the only way....
@@brianoreilly239that’s nonsense we came from Adam and Eve God has always been around we received the Torah is only 5000 years old that’s the only difference but we have souls and I can choose that I’ve the right to have faith in God/Hashem
I imagine Dawkins' gentle approach leaving an imprint in the mind of the people he argues with. Rabbi Gluck seems a very nice person as well. For most educated Westerners, science is commonsense, but this is not so in cultures where indoctrination is very hard to undo - and if you do, you may be at risk of being outcast. The Rabbi does not get that science is a method rather than a belief. It is obvious he doesn't deal with scientific concepts like 'margins of error' etc - his world is one of certainties. Maybe it's useless to try to convince Gluck of 'facts' using scientific lingo as that seems far from Gluck's idea of truth as god's word. We need to understand each person's playing field and establish what we have in common, before discussion can have any impact.
The Ultra Orthodox believe the book as is written and will never waver. The late Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks had far different views from Rabbi Gluck whose blinkered vision prohibits him from understanding reality.
National or religious or other constructed identity is nonsensical and problematic. The only identification we should have is alignment and identification with Truth, Kindness, Altruistic Joy and Equanimity in the face of adversity
Listening to this bloke the sooner religion of all stripes dies out the better for everyone. Brainwashing and cultural imprisonment are definitely not positive things. Both these traits are suggested by this person.
Science is proof without certainty
Religion is certainty without proof.
not everything is measurable and there are certainly thing that you know they are true which are not measurable. proof come in different shapes.
@@tomatito3713 Science is Proof without Certainty. Religion is Certainty without Proof.
This has helped me a lot to see the way religious leaders use apologetics. This video really opened my eyes.
How so?
@@extanegautham8950 i think it was my eyes opened also when i woke up from daily sleeping i guess.
The cleric is the poster boy for sheer madness. 😱
“When you are mad, mad like this, you don't know it. Reality is what you see. When what you see shifts, departing from anyone else's reality, it's still reality to you.”
― Marya Hornbacher, Madness: A Bipolar Life
You just know, by listening to the Rabbi, that he is a thoughtful, intelligent sincere and loving man!
@Ragnar Odinsson about as funny as a 'boil on the arse' don't give up your day job!
@Ragnar Odinsson why the faith bit?? I love the local vicar in my parish, however, it doesn't stop me knowing he is deluled, brainwashed and moreover, indoctrinated into irrational blind faith!
Intelligent and telling the universe is 6000 years old?
@Ragnar Odinsson Communist !!!
He may be nice but a lot of what he says about chabad norms and practices are lies and he knows it (source: I'm ex chabad)
I learned more than I thought I would have. Thank you for this video.
More from me but i am Pagan we read all cults
@@ashwayn I honestly don't know what you mean? I would love to read about this. Can you share links?
Many thanks for this happening interview.
26:29 his statement that “neither you or I were here billions of years ago” could easily be turned on him because neither was there 5,000 years ago to know if the Torah was real or just literature.
It is all myth and tales.
The bizarre beliefs of the religious!
Great - and charming - interview, Richard. You are so patient.
When will circumcision finally be recognised as child genital mutilation, and treated as such?
When hell freezes.
It is sometimes done for medical reasons. I agree, it shouldn't be done for the sake of tradition.
@@branthomas1621As far as I know it started with religion, and if now doctors think it is beneficial it can be argued that perhaps religion is right.
In awe of the the episode.
I love that line of questioning about your religion is based solely on what culture you happened to be born into.
I’ve been reading professor’s Dawkins books for decades, aside from his illuminating thoughts provoking lessons one thing that is just as impressive as his resume is, he never fails to be a total gentleman, no matter how deluded the other party may be, Richard keeps his cool and witted mind intact.
Hij v.b..
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I share these sentiments. I have no religious beliefs but I'm fascinated by religions.
Only morons throw stones and make a spectacle of themselves just as the Russian government is so perfectly demonstrating at present.
_Ignorant bullies in the playground._
Except if you believe in evolution, you’re deluded.
@@chucklesdarwinwaswrongevol9264 Since when has Evolution been a belief?
I've heard some dumb arse ignorant and retarded comments on TH-cam but that one is right up there buddy 🤭
Thanks be to Dawkins and Darwin. How he keeps his cool is amazing.
Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. What if someone says, "Well, that's not how I choose to think about water."? All we can do is appeal to scientific values. And if he doesn't share those values, the conversation is over. If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn't value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?
- Sam Harris
very well said!
Water actually is not hydrogen and oxygen. A thing can only be itself and nothing else, so water is water and atoms are atoms. However, water seems to “appear” when these atoms come together. This-is-creation.
@@youssefalaoui4286
Water most definitely is hydrogen and oxygen. You can't argue otherwise even if you want to. You just embarrass yourself if you do so.
@@JPJMando Dont be such a child, argue the comment if you can. There is no water at the level of molecules.
@@youssefalaoui4286
The entire scientific community disagree! (Who is the child?)
This was one of the best discussion s about religion and atheism I have heard. Am basically a Dawkinist (if there is such a thing) but do agree with the Rabbi about the importance of identity and a sense of belonging to mental wellness.
Teaching confirmation bias & cognitive dissonance by ignoring overwhelming scientific evidence. Meanwhile, he holds firm to an ancient fable that not only has no evidence to support it's tales, there are mountains of evidence falsifying the very stories he's trying to defend. Anything positive he might try to offer in the way of traditional education or mental health, despite being well-intentioned, is automatically voided by his impossible stance against reality.
@@davidschneide5422 please specify who “he” is in your diatribe.
@@daleglenny1133 the one holding firm to ancient fable, in spite of overwhelming evidence
I completely agree
RD has a wonderful smile 🌟
I saw a shortened version of this discussion on Dawkin's broadcast on the dangers of religion. I remember thinking that Rabbi Gluck did not come across well
As I look years later at the full interview, I see it very differently.
As a secular Londoner who was born Jewish I think the Rabbi handled himself extremely well. I very much admire Dawkins and believe he is right about the age of the earth and always going by the best evidence.
However the Rabbi made very good points which Dawkins agreed with regarding Ireland and the fact that state schools might "produce" a more dangerous individual than a faith based school.
As a Jew who is very much aware, as Dawkins is, about the staggeringly disproportionate number of Nobel prizes awarded to Jews and their utterly disproportionate contribution in general to science, the arts and values I find myself now thinking that Rabbi Gluck's school probably produced very nice students. Maybe they were not taught correct science but I am confident they had the capacity to work that out later on, and that's fine by me.
I think you are right Richard,the Rabbi finished very strongly about Ireland and how different countries teach different histories of the the same subject.
When the rabbi discusses the “oral Torah” early in the interview, I don’t think he makes it sufficiently clear that new interpretations and new understanding of the Law, which is constantly evolving, is not merely a matter of opinion, or of authority, but must be supported with a set of coherent arguments and evidence. Only those ideas that survive critical scrutiny are deemed acceptable. And by the way, this process falls entirely within the realm of human intellect, without divine intervention.
This style of reasoning and critical thinking is very similar to the scientific method, except that rather than relying on empirical evidence, it is based on scripture, which is regarded as divinely inspired. I feel that this manner of thinking, dialog, and debate, when directed toward the study and interpretation of the secular, natural world, yields great scholarly accomplishment.
I can’t prove my argument, but it seems plausible. Otherwise, I’m at a loss to understand it.
@@MendTheWorld I agree with your comments but I don't see why you say your making an argument. If I understand you correctly your referring to the Talmud and constant scholarly argument in order to refine ethics, custom and philosophical thought. I have huge respect for that and I think that it is that approach that has kept Jewish thought and practices so vibrant for so many centuries.
Quality discourse
Wayne Rooney with a beard still has no idea about science.
Hilarious
Hehe yeah
"No idea about science"...eh? Check out the number of Nobel Prize winners in science and you'll observe a great number of Jews and, of those, many retain their faith and belief in Judiasm.
I suggest you try grasp concepts like evidence, observation, measurement because, evidently, you have no measure of how wrong you are when you're not observed
Dawkins is brave.
I don't even dare to watch this.
The insanity will ruin my day.
Can't handle more insanity.
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hey we are with you.
@@bosevertjan5986 🙏
Cant argue with dawkins
You can try
Love Dawkins but Rabbi comes off better overall, because he isn’t trying to convert Dawkins… and Dawkins sadly is .
Still Works well with less sophisticated debaters and hats down to Dawkins for that
Is the rabbi lying to Children we think so 🦉🌏
@@matimus100 the only way to know is for us to read ect and look at the facts aswell you could say same of Dawkins we must read and look at this also and make our mind up
@@craigkelly4278 I've done my research and i know exactly what's going on and im talking about
Do yours 🦉🌏
I got 3/4 of the way through, but my frustration finally got the better of me.
I only made it to the point he called science a "tradition"
I had to stop it 4 times and pick it up ...boy was that painful!!!The patience of Dawkins is HUMONGOUS
Same..
Dickie Dawkins seems to be quite bright but for some reason I don't think I'd want him as council in a court of law.
@@jedidiahsojourner1917 so a place where there is no assertion of innocence, but instead that one does not believe in the assertion of guilt?
😠A meeting of intellectual giants living opposite realities. Richard’s approach was cautious, particularly at the beginning. It was iobvious that the Rabbi would terminate the interview and retain the film if pressed too far. Hilariously the rabbi tried to switch the conversation to football at one stage but Richard wasn’t having any. Watching the meeting was a very interesting and enjoyable experience. Thank you for the opportunity.
He is however a useful fool, being used by Islam against the interest of Jews.
I would love for Dawkins to talk with Dr. Gerald Shroeder, or Rabbi Gotlieb, as both of these people are much more academically inclined.
One is an orthodox Jewish physicist who has written many books on science and Torah, and how it fits together
Rabbi Gotlieb is a young earth creationist who was a professor at John’s Hopkins and (in my opinion), a pretty good philosopher, who has written books about evidence for Torah being from God and things like that.
When I was a child, i used to look upto religious leaders thinking they were having higher intelligence with the blessings of god, and i would believe whatever they said. Now in my late 20s, I have become an Atheist, and I am able to finally see through the bullshit that these cult leaders are spreading in the society, literally making factions out of humanity.
And then you realised they were FILTH
It doesn't matter if people believed the sun goes round or the earth goes round or if the world was created yesterday.. what is more important is to: love for others what you love for yourself... I wish people concentrate on this and forget about the rest as they don't effect peoples life one way or the other.
The life and letters of Chatles Darwin, page 304
"In my most extreme fluctuations I have never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God. - I think that generally (& more and more so as I grow older) but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."
In my opinion, the most damaging aspect of religion is that it breaks your brain by forcing you to believe even if your brain is screaming " it doesn't make sense!!!!! ". Why doesn't anyone talk more about the origin of religion? The bottom line is that powerful people (kings, lords, tribe chiefs, emperors, etc) used the "God talked to me" line to legitimize themselves and then
make peasants obey and serve. Recent studies are starting to find that religious people are more gullible. This is a problem when we have to go to vote. Religious people will tend to believe the promises (lies) made by corrupt politicians even if the evidence is appalling. When religion forces you to believe irrational concepts, their goal is to brainwash you into disregarding the evidence. Trust in the LORD with all thine; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
I was a skeptic and had a distaste for anything "religious". I saw it as a fun killer. I still tolerate one's right to practice their religion even idol worship, flowers offered to gods and deities in Eastern cultures as long as there's no harm done to others. I was brought up Catholic, tried to obey the rules and be a good person with gritted teeth. Looking back, I can see that I was an uncaring and hard hearted person with a chip on my shoulder and unable to move out of that position. I needed an experience that would wipe out the pain of losing a father I loved and who left me and started another family. There was other baggage I could not resolve. I also became the problem in our marriage. Finally after being shamed and embarrassed by separations in the presence of friends with some skepticism, I accepted Jesus to be Lord of my life. I surrendered like a little child and was surprised by the transformation where bitterness and jealousy were smoothed over by a healing balm. I saw the world with new eyes. How can one argue and deny such an experience when peace and tranquility enters one's life? It was like being switched on for the first time since birth. I can't wait for science to validate what I call a supernatural experience and hold me to its scrutiny. Science is at odds with the supernatural. It is beyond the scope of science. That's why its called Supernatural.
@@rselwyn1000 the only things beyond the scope of science are things that aren’t real. So the supernatural is fiction.
@@peteconrad2077 Your reasoning is circular, so you haven’t proven anything at all. Science has drawn a boundary around its domain of authority, to include the physical natural universe and nothing else. Applying this ontological boundary, science limits itself from casting judgment on whatever might fall outside that boundary. This does not stop many scientists from claiming knowledge about matters they have explicitly excluded from their purview.
I’ve never had any sort of transcendental experience, and I’m not looking for one. As an ardent scientist, I’m happy and comfortable with naturalism and empiricism, but I wonder why so many science zealots feel it’s their duty to render judgment about beliefs that fall outside the domain of science.
@@MendTheWorld as usual, absolute nonsense. Science explores anything real. All else doesn’t exist so there’s nothing else to explore. The supernatural has been explored with scientific methods and found not be real.
Tense gentlemen, standing all the way, too tense for a cup of kosher tea!
How could anyone leave their child in the care of such a man?
And it's you a subject that pays for this 🦉🇬🇧
Yeah that rabbi is dodgy as well 😉
Yes never leave your child with Dawkins
Religion poisons everything
@@kyceB54 why? Because they might learn something? Don't be that guy. You aren't 12
Hats off to the Rabbi (no pun intended). Some impressive mental gymnastics and a very good example of how an intellectual can convince anyone of anything.
Also hats off for his being so respectful of Dawkins , even when under fire 🔥… same sadly can’t be said of Dawkins who is absolutely brilliant when talking to others and exposing their stupidity 😀
He didn’t convince me.
yeah his argument about how if Dawkins was arguing with him as a scientist long ago he would have been trying to convince him the earth was flat. pretty clever
@@jasperhalsey8574 this is plainly false though, Dawkins is a man of evidence and wouldn’t make that assertion. There’s also the fact we’ve known the earth is a sphere for a very long time also.
The problem is that Gluck is conflating the beginning of the Jewish world with the beginning of the earth. Very childlike reasoning
How strange that they didn't sit.
Its mentions in the torah that " NO AETHEIST THAT COMETH IN ONES HOME CAN SIT HIS/HER BATTY DOWN".
@@thegroove2000 I enjoy your reply, not doubting you,but can tell me where in the Torah it’s said. Please respond.
@@robertcarey8237 Not sure what it says.
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Too exciting topics to sit down 😀
He's reviewing the situation.
You cannot argue with a belief.
Even a belief such as the ability of Science to answer ALL questions?
@@saturdaysolitude7800 science doesn't claim the ability to answer all questions. That is reserved for religion, which actually cannot answer any
Great discussion. I’ve watched it many times, both of them are highly intelligent and have great points. I’m especially impressed by the rabbi’s points about the atrocities of the anti-religious (nazis, communists). Also Dawkins’ point about the age of the world seems very incompatible with the jewish perspective. Great video.
I thought the Rabbi is a very interesting highly intelligent man, he seems very affable.
31:44 Rabbi: "God wanted us to work within a certain time frame to make the world a good place". The Rabbi needs to add that God made a huge mistake in his choice - and admitted such - before killing almost every living thing with a flood and starting again at a NEW time frame.
He's a Class A fool.
I can answer that ?
The Rabi was excellent!....he made excellent points.....the six days creation is totally Biblical
You're being sarcastic, right?
And nonsense
Rabbi is punching way above his weight class.
Yep
I watched this interview a long time ago in my angry atheist phase. I hated every word this Rabbi spoke. But coming back to this video as an adult (and new Muslim), I must say that I judged this Rabbi unfairly. He is a very thoughtful man regardless of his beliefs. If you only see someone for their beliefs, you'll cut yourself off from the wisdom that they have.
That was a slightly long handshake.
Well educated and articulate Rabbi.
And totally deluded. >)
The perfect example of a fundamentalist nut !
HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Do we know how long a day is before the creation of the sun or earth. Is there a day without the rotation of the earth?
It's like talking to the wall...
I would have to give the Rabbi 9/10… he is The rabbi and has the job of bearing the weights of historical Truths.. and the dust of time, running through what is a world waiting for change … yet we must stop and hold this Jewish jewel to be a live.. and worthy of all our love.. they hold the weight.. we can no longer bare.
Control. It’s simply about control. That’s their business.
In the future, we will all believe that the world doesn't move and rests on pillars, just as God said.
Yet fewer believe it every year. Mainly because we now know it’s nonsense.
Human brain created god
Have to admit as religious guys go I quite like Rabbi Gluck (I'm not Jewish). I think he has a good insight into the human condition. On the other hand, like so many religious people, their knowledge of Science is weak. I think Dawkins conclusion about segregation of children could be right. Even in Secondary State Schools children are segregated on ability - streaming. A posh grammar school up the road will look down on the plebs in the poor state school. Identity is important.
Can anyone else feel the spit raining on their face while this guy speaks?
yep
I like this Rabbi talks a lot of sense does look like Wayne Rooney Rabbi Rooney😂
24:48 "We live in the real world" says the Rabbi.
Dawkins can look quite handsome with a tan
Be kind. Poor Rabbi must keep his job and position.
Keep his job I agree with rabbi :)
I know I am lowering the tone of the debate, but that is one mankey beard
“You have your tradition, we have our tradition…” prove your version of gravity is different from sciences by jumping from a height, you’ll find they remain the same!
Oh dear
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I was very impressed with the Rabbi,both were very 🙏 respectful.
How can you this hebrew priest follows a raving loony god yahweh/Jehovah whose only aptitude is to torture humans and little animals the only entity that comes from Genesis is the truthful snake and if you has studied religions you would know who SHE was the snake always tells the truth to HER children For behold,
I have been with thee from the beginning;
and I am that which is attained
at the end of desire.
Impressed with the rabbi? How so?
No religious fundamentalist will accept teaching children all religious traditions ever. It would mean that instead of being taught what to think the children would have to be taught how to think critically. Critical thinking is the anathema of fundamentalism.
If every religious tradition had done this then religion would have disappeared long,long ago.
Dawkins should stop debating with children! Though, his demolishing of this kind of medieval argument is beautiful to listen to.
Definitely the best religious défense I have ever heard. Too bad this guy has to stick to his 5765 yr old earth belief but he defends it well. Sounds like poetry to me. A way to live. Certainly not for me but he isn’t telling me to believe his hocus pocus poppycock tale
Science is a tradition... he proved the rabbi right... science thought the world was flat
Trying to reason with smart people is hard but to reason with stupidity is impossible
25:24 Rabbi made a funny joke.😆😆
Did anyone else laugh?
I think Richard thought his Northern Ireland focus would lead to damning evidence against religion. The Rabbi chewed him up.
Ho hum
So the summary of the rabbi's best arguments are that science isn't 100% correct and therefore the religious answer stands. That really shows the awful point, religion offers 'the answer', science finds 'an answer' and if a better or improved one comes along, supported by better evidence, it changes to that.
Why did Richard Dawkins cut himself off when trying to explain why there are different traditions within Judaism!
Jews must not have ever heard of socrates before.
Please sit down, you are my guest
30:58
This is an edited version of the original video’
și ?
Never buy crackling from a mohel.
-Hitchens
Neither religion or the theory of evolution have the answers we seek. The missing link is still missing as is the presence of the gods of religions. Surely being open minded and humble enough to admit we have much to learn about the universe and life would be a better approach.
They act like god is currently holding the world together and wed fall to anarchy without him
Good conversation to reveal how these religions operate specially Abrahamic religions. The end story is that all of them are a way of business and making a living for people like the rabbi here and the power structure that needs to control the minds of its citizens and followers for their own benefits. The rabbi says I was not alive then to know if the age of earth is more than what I say. My question to him: “Moses never existed. How do you know he existed since you were not there to see he existed?”
By the way, the answer is that Moses never existed. All is made up stories and myth. Including Jesus.
in the code of laws, there laws about how to dress, go to the bathroom, sleep...etc
So according to the Rabbi the dinosaurs never lived on the earth, God put them there in the ground as fossils when the earth was created.
I really don't understand the Rabbi. He starts by saying Judism 'evolves' over time. Then when Dawkins says why can't you 'evolve' it again to account for facts, the Rabbi balks...
It’s true, the rabbi is not applying the same quality of critical thinking to scientific evidence that he applies to Torah. It’s science denial, and it needn’t be.
Judaism's "evolution" isn't as simple as Catholicism becoming Protestantism and becoming modern day reformed liberal churches. The "evolution" in Judaism is only restricted to legal aspects. There isn't actually an agreed fixed theology in Judaism; someone who doesn't believe in God, or believes that God is Satan and call themselves a Satan worshipper can still be a Jew, and a rabbi, and a good rabbi on top of that. In fact there are many Ultra-Orthodox Hardcore Conservative Rabbis that would be willing to accept the theory of evolution and that the world is billions of years old. And they will teach this to people who are less religious to help them reconcile their beliefs about science and religion and open a pathway back for them to practice Jewish law. However, teaching that to someone religious is problematic because it makes one question the literal reading of the text and will affect how someone walks their religious life in regards to the practical aspects. As the rabbi in the video said, the stories mean more to people if they are true stories or at least believed to be as such. The difference between Orthodox Judaism and Reform Judaism isn't theology about these trivial things, it's about how strictly they practice Jewish law. And in Reform Jewish circles where things like evolution are more defended vs young earth ideas, the people are just less strict about Jewish law. Hence why, it is important that the stories do not evolve, because it would lead people to stop following the "evolved" law. Tl;dr Judaism is all about laws and not beliefs.
I thought the Jew got the better of the atheist
Only one issue: fiction v empirical v philosophy 😆
lots of Orthodox Jews study Science and cosmology, it depends how they interpret their religion. Besides that, the half life of truth in science is 3 minutes...And, Science is not a religion, Science is one way of viewing reality, its not the only way....
Steve Pemberton has let himself go ……
Two gentlemen who agree to disagree.
Not even my respect for Prof Dawkins could keep me more than 15 Gave up after listening to some of those responses
The rabbi has taught an arrogant so-called scientist a lesson.
Well said Rabbi Gluck..
What ? That the world is no more than 5,000 + years old !! Unbelievable nonsense !
He's talking crap!
Such disingenuous nonsense
@@brianoreilly239that’s nonsense we came from Adam and Eve God has always been around we received the Torah is only 5000 years old that’s the only difference but we have souls and I can choose that I’ve the right to have faith in God/Hashem
@@divemylollol6152
You keep believing in bronze age fairy tales
Great conversation. Dreadful camera-work.
I imagine Dawkins' gentle approach leaving an imprint in the mind of the people he argues with.
Rabbi Gluck seems a very nice person as well. For most educated Westerners, science is commonsense, but this is not so in cultures where indoctrination is very hard to undo - and if you do, you may be at risk of being outcast.
The Rabbi does not get that science is a method rather than a belief. It is obvious he doesn't deal with scientific concepts like 'margins of error' etc - his world is one of certainties.
Maybe it's useless to try to convince Gluck of 'facts' using scientific lingo as that seems far from Gluck's idea of truth as god's word. We need to understand each person's playing field and establish what we have in common, before discussion can have any impact.
Jajajjaa.....yep a one billion years difference is way too much ......is not something to ignore .......science has different explanations
Why CHOOSE enslavement?
Well done Rabbi
The Ultra Orthodox believe the book as is written and will never waver. The late Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks had far different views from Rabbi Gluck whose blinkered vision prohibits him from understanding reality.
Richard Dawkins seems so obsessed with God omg !
Let live and long live
He is determined to stop the harm of such inherited superstitious stupidity.
@@108padmappl believe what the fuck they want
National or religious or other constructed identity is nonsensical and problematic. The only identification we should have is alignment and identification with Truth, Kindness, Altruistic Joy and Equanimity in the face of adversity
Listening to this bloke the sooner religion of all stripes dies out the better for everyone. Brainwashing and cultural imprisonment are definitely not positive things. Both these traits are suggested by this person.
26:22 - 26:59 Science 101 ! Go Rabbi
Is stupidity fire?