Thanks for this video! And thanks for pointing out that the V4 Wide with the fast attachment is similar to the V3/V4 Narrow. I decided to finally get an Orea brewer after I saw your videos, and I went for the V4 Wide. Once I received it, and seeing how all recipes referred to the V3/V4 narrow, I wondered if the difference was that big. I happen to have the Kalita Tsubame Small and Large, and noticed that the angles of the brewers had about the same difference as the Orea V3 compared to the V4 wide. I found the difference in taste between those to be similar to what you describe in this video.
I was looking forward to this video. In the end I went for the wide one and I'm just so satisfied with the experience. Cup quality is great and recipes are finally reproducible. I get consistent results, day after day and that's just amazing!
@@rhyanherkel142 im mostly brewing bigger batches and I really love Matteos recipes for that matter. His recipes are definitely my go to, but I also really like sprometheus' recipe and ofc I try every coffee with just the standard James Hoffman recipe (eventhough it's a V60 recipe)
Finally! The video I have been waiting for from you! ;-) I´m a huge Orea fan since V2 and got all their drippers since V2 Mk1. I´m using V4 Wide daily since mid February 2024. For easier comparison i stick to a narrow range of grindsize (270-300 micron; 18-20 C40MK4 RX35 clicks - for those who are curious). My most favorite attachments are Apex (with V60 paper) & Open (with both; Kalita 155 & V60 paper). My standard / go-to recipe is a slight variation of OREA´s base recipe. 14:224 g - 60g Bloom + 3*60g pour. TBT depending on coffee and attachment from 02:00 to 04:00 min.
Thx very much for watching and sharing your experience. I haven’t played with Apex that much myself and that is something I want to explore. In fact I’m going to brew one right now!
Im excited to hear what other flat bottom brewers people are liking these days. I dont want a plastic Orea, partially because of health cincerns with heating plastic and also I dont see the value for the price point. I own the Kalita wave 155 and I want to upgrade to something with more capacity and flow potential.
I really like the orea v4 for washed coffees! Using naturals are fermented coffees yielded decent results, but they often had a lot of character and sweetness as far as taste went that benefitted more from the acidity of a v60. I found with washed coffees, I often find it a bit more difficult to strike a balance between body and acidity and the v4’s attachment lets me play around a lot with those factors.
thanks for sharing, thats why i choose both, i tried v4 narrow/nego/sibarist first very smillar to v3 bright sourness but v4 wide apex/abaca+v60 i use the most from now more sweetness, brewing the exotic coffee beans from indonesia 😁☕
Thank you for watching! It is nice to have both if you are very into pour overs. I haven’t played with Apex that much. Will have to record a dedicated video about this. Do you have any full proof recipe for this particular attachment?
Hi, thx for watching. I put it in the video somewhere . I modified it slightly myself. 18g of coffee, 280g of water, temperature 92 or 93. First 3 pours 60mil each, blooming for 40sec and then about every 40sec next pour. Last pour 100mil. In the original recipe he used narrow orea and fast attachment. Overall, it is a very decent recipe.
IMO any material apart from glass, porcelain or stainless steel will taint the coffee and hold stale coffee aromas from previous uses. I can’t use aeropress for this reason and the rubber bung always stinks of stale coffee- even after bleaching.
You must have a very well developed palate. With Areopress it is about that rubber bit that can hold stale taste. Orea has 2 glass brews- maybe I will test them at some point. Recently I played with Varia Flo made of steel.
@@mycoffeeshow111👍 thanks, I am a chef and have also trained my palate with wine tasting. I am also interested in the porcelain Orea but it is not available ATM.
Oh man that point of orea never replying to any query was so relatable and I get your emotions on this 🤣 Anyway I have orea V4 narrow and I don't like the quality of material and build compared to v3. V3 felt like it was made with better plastic and has a better handfeel!
Thx for watching! I haven’t noticed that until I actually put them side by side. I am not saying V4 quality is bad but it feels cheaper next to V3. I am happy with the brews though.
I bought the V4 Narrow after I was very happy with the V3 Mk2. I do like the fast bottom attachment and use it most of the times, but I also really wanted to use the APEX attachment, but unfortunately it is just not possible with the V4 Narrow. I wish I knew it before buying. I would’ve probably buy the V4 Wide.
Exactly. I know I am nobody important but I had many much bigger companies replying to me, taking time to explain why they don’t want to collaborate at this time.
@@markraciborski4289 well they both are different and the angles of walls are different. Not sure about narrow Orea but my wide one is about 10.5cm in diameter which is still less than v60. Hope it helps
@@mycoffeeshow111 That's a good question. I find the concept really interesting, but so far im not getting the acidity I like, I'm still working on dialing in the grind. But the simplicity of a 1 pour brewer is nice, and 0 bypass makes it interesting too.
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Thanks for this video!
And thanks for pointing out that the V4 Wide with the fast attachment is similar to the V3/V4 Narrow.
I decided to finally get an Orea brewer after I saw your videos, and I went for the V4 Wide.
Once I received it, and seeing how all recipes referred to the V3/V4 narrow, I wondered if the difference was that big.
I happen to have the Kalita Tsubame Small and Large, and noticed that the angles of the brewers had about the same difference as the Orea V3 compared to the V4 wide.
I found the difference in taste between those to be similar to what you describe in this video.
Thx for watching and sharing your experience.
Which is your favourite V4 bottom?
I only have one Kalita (made of glass) which I haven’t used for ages.
I was looking forward to this video. In the end I went for the wide one and I'm just so satisfied with the experience. Cup quality is great and recipes are finally reproducible. I get consistent results, day after day and that's just amazing!
Thx for sharing your experience. Next I will be comparing Orea with Varia Flo.
That’s great to hear. I’m getting the wide one for Father’s Day ;) Would you mind posting your go to recipe?
@@rhyanherkel142 I put a very good recipe in this video but often I go for 15g-250g in 5 even pours, blooming for 30sec, total time of 3-3.20.
@@rhyanherkel142 im mostly brewing bigger batches and I really love Matteos recipes for that matter. His recipes are definitely my go to, but I also really like sprometheus' recipe and ofc I try every coffee with just the standard James Hoffman recipe (eventhough it's a V60 recipe)
@@mycoffeeshow111 that's kinda like one of Matteos recipes right?
Jack you’re hilarious. Absolutely love your content.
Thank you very much for your kind words!
Finally! The video I have been waiting for from you! ;-)
I´m a huge Orea fan since V2 and got all their drippers since V2 Mk1.
I´m using V4 Wide daily since mid February 2024. For easier comparison i stick to a narrow range of grindsize (270-300 micron; 18-20 C40MK4 RX35 clicks - for those who are curious).
My most favorite attachments are Apex (with V60 paper) & Open (with both; Kalita 155 & V60 paper).
My standard / go-to recipe is a slight variation of OREA´s base recipe.
14:224 g - 60g Bloom + 3*60g pour. TBT depending on coffee and attachment from 02:00 to 04:00 min.
Thx very much for watching and sharing your experience. I haven’t played with Apex that much myself and that is something I want to explore. In fact I’m going to brew one right now!
Im excited to hear what other flat bottom brewers people are liking these days. I dont want a plastic Orea, partially because of health cincerns with heating plastic and also I dont see the value for the price point. I own the Kalita wave 155 and I want to upgrade to something with more capacity and flow potential.
I have another video I am editing now, about Varia Flo, made entirely of steel.
I really like the orea v4 for washed coffees! Using naturals are fermented coffees yielded decent results, but they often had a lot of character and sweetness as far as taste went that benefitted more from the acidity of a v60.
I found with washed coffees, I often find it a bit more difficult to strike a balance between body and acidity and the v4’s attachment lets me play around a lot with those factors.
@@ishanparikh5587 thank you for sharing your experience. I will have to experiment more with it. Which is your favourite attachment?
thanks for sharing, thats why i choose both, i tried v4 narrow/nego/sibarist first very smillar to v3 bright sourness but v4 wide apex/abaca+v60 i use the most from now more sweetness, brewing the exotic coffee beans from indonesia 😁☕
Thank you for watching!
It is nice to have both if you are very into pour overs. I haven’t played with Apex that much. Will have to record a dedicated video about this. Do you have any full proof recipe for this particular attachment?
Great job as usual Jack. Can you link the recipe you used somewhere? I may have missed it.
Hi, thx for watching. I put it in the video somewhere .
I modified it slightly myself. 18g of coffee, 280g of water, temperature 92 or 93. First 3 pours 60mil each, blooming for 40sec and then about every 40sec next pour. Last pour 100mil. In the original recipe he used narrow orea and fast attachment. Overall, it is a very decent recipe.
@@mycoffeeshow111 thank you. I have been playing with the UFO since I got it last week. You need to review it it’s so much fun.
@@Howie-bz5pe for next week I have a review of Varia Flo. It has already been recorded.
IMO any material apart from glass, porcelain or stainless steel will taint the coffee and hold stale coffee aromas from previous uses. I can’t use aeropress for this reason and the rubber bung always stinks of stale coffee- even after bleaching.
You must have a very well developed palate. With Areopress it is about that rubber bit that can hold stale taste. Orea has 2 glass brews- maybe I will test them at some point. Recently I played with Varia Flo made of steel.
@@mycoffeeshow111👍 thanks, I am a chef and have also trained my palate with wine tasting. I am also interested in the porcelain Orea but it is not available ATM.
Oh man that point of orea never replying to any query was so relatable and I get your emotions on this 🤣
Anyway I have orea V4 narrow and I don't like the quality of material and build compared to v3. V3 felt like it was made with better plastic and has a better handfeel!
Thx for watching!
I haven’t noticed that until I actually put them side by side. I am not saying V4 quality is bad but it feels cheaper next to V3. I am happy with the brews though.
I bought the V4 Narrow after I was very happy with the V3 Mk2. I do like the fast bottom attachment and use it most of the times, but I also really wanted to use the APEX attachment, but unfortunately it is just not possible with the V4 Narrow. I wish I knew it before buying. I would’ve probably buy the V4 Wide.
Have you tried it with smaller v60 filters or Orea v60 filters? You can always use flat ones and negotiator
Hopefully Orea will one day decide to reply to their customers 🤦♂As you said a quick and polite "no" would have been perfectly fine 👻👻👻
Exactly. I know I am nobody important but I had many much bigger companies replying to me, taking time to explain why they don’t want to collaborate at this time.
awesome for me I go with the narrow one , still waiting it
Thx for watching. Please let me know how you like.
Which one narrow or wide is close in diameter to a Hario V60 #2?
I want to use the Hario V60 pour assist dripper with it.
@@markraciborski4289 well they both are different and the angles of walls are different. Not sure about narrow Orea but my wide one is about 10.5cm in diameter which is still less than v60. Hope it helps
Have you thought about trying the hario mugen?
Do you think it is worth trying? My Varia Flo review should be ready this weekend.
@@mycoffeeshow111 That's a good question. I find the concept really interesting, but so far im not getting the acidity I like, I'm still working on dialing in the grind. But the simplicity of a 1 pour brewer is nice, and 0 bypass makes it interesting too.
@@Glockodile I don’t think you will get the same level of sourness of it as from something with wider opening but I am just speculating here.
General Qaddafi…. Lol
Hahaha, maybe that was too much but I hate to be ignored 😛