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@@ellibobble1655 This wasn't exactly common knowledge until about a week ago. Yeah, probably best not to use them in the future, but lets not pretend like you research the topic yourself either. You watched the same video we all did lmao.
You can't ever do a "1 to 1 adaptation" of the World War Hulk story, the very nature of that type story is only used *TO SET UP A POST APOCOLOYPTIC FUTURE WHERE ALL HERO'S ARE DEAD EFFECTIVELY ENDING THE WORLD* Because it is a Shared Interconnect Cinematic Universe with *A LOT MORE* Spin Off's, ensemble's, Solo movie's & D+ Shows & Special's we're talking about here Disney won't ever fundamentally change the MCU Status Quo so these other MCU stories that has absolutely nothing to do with the Hulk Character *CAN CONTINUE AS NORMAL!..* 😒
@@Retro3 no Disney saw how everyone reacted to how they threw Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch under the bus by making her into a full blown villain in Dr. Strange MOM.. Disney wouldn’t want to try doing that again with the “Big Guy.”
I swear, you have to have some insider talking to you. Your analysis and predictions are so accurate either someone inside is feeding you information or they are seeing what you're putting out there and incorporating it into the story arcs.And if it's just you being uber-perceptive, they should hire you to help develop the story lines. We may miss out on your incredible analysis, but we would benefit from the incredible depth you would add to the creative process.
I disagree. I dont think they listen to him at all, and that sucks for us. The entire mcu based on his predictions alone would be amazing. And have mephisto
It's amazing how you perfectly explained what the problem is with this new smart hulk. We never got to see the struggle of him arriving to that conclusion. The 2 identies are extremely crucial parts of the character even in the MCU and we saw no journey to the conclusion. Hopefully we get WWH as a prelude to the avengers movie
Maybe Smart Hulk isn’t the conclusion, I think Bruce put Hulk in a mind cage with his experiments. The monster might be in there and finally break out so Star, She-Hulk, and whoever else will have to fight him
@@fictionverse7292 No he says "me and the big guy worked it out" I.e they came to some kind of understanding which is kind of stupid in my opinion because unless I am wrong nothing like that ever happens in the comics where hulk decides to never ever come out again. Its literally an important part of his psyche
@@nomorenamesavailabl1668 I said smart Hulk isn’t the conclusion. It’s just Banner’s he’d in Hulk’s body. I think the conclusion is that they combine their personalities together when they not only accept each other, they realize they are each other; Hulk is Bruce and a Bruce is Hulk
@@fictionverse7292 I see what your trying to say but the comics and the movies speak otherwise. Banner spent years meditating and using different methods of therapies to find a solution. Hulk isn't just a manifestation of his traumas anymore it is literally another entity. It's 2 people living within one body. Originally like Jekyll and Hyde which the hulk is based on they were the divide of one into 2 but they are not opposite sides of thesame coin. Banner isn't completely good and hulk isn't completely bad. They are literally 2 individuals in one body now they cannot or at least have not yet in the comics merged their psychis. Banner always either gets banished to the subconscious, the hulk does or they come to an agreement to alternate command
Maybe Hulk being trapped in the mental prison thinks it's only a dream and when he takes over control and finds out Natasha is really dead, then that could be what snaps him emotionally and creates World War Hulk, blaming all of the heroes for her death.
I don't see that happening since they've already squeezed Natasha's death for Hawkeye and Yelena's stories. We can't have half the MCU motivated by that
In she hulk, right after the Crash, there is a glimpse Moment when Hulk comes Out and He is clearly pissed. I Always suspected that He is trapped in there.
I'd like Hulk and Banner to come an arrangement similar to the one they created in Earth's Mightiest Heroes where Hulk takes the drivers seat but Banner remains on standby to offer him advice when dealing with problems, he can't just smash or a true Fusion where both of their individual memories are integrated into a being that appreciates smashing just as much as science.
I've actually think a mix of the first and third idea, where Maestro, and different World-Breaker Hulks goes back in time, or universe, split Banner and Hulk apart, and plan on making Hulk a new Maestro. So it would focus on Bruce and Hulk to finally find a final conclusion to their relationship to stop Maestro, and other Hulks that work with him.
The incursions with Dr Strange bring each Hulk to a point where the Red Hulk find more alliances with Bruce Hulking once he realizes Val coerced his Son. With Young Avengers facing off with XMen subplot.
I actually have a theory that sakkar would blame the avengers for hulk leaving him and he travels everywhere killing avengers then the avengers assemble against sakkar
I like your bit about Hulk growing too powerful and angry for Banner to control and going on a world-breaking rampage, but I have a possible thought on how it could be spiced up even more. What if that rampage and Hulk takeover happens during the multiversal war? Hulk going on an absolute rampage and decimating the heroes and villains from numerous universes in their collective battlefield. Not just a world-breaking rampage, but a universe- or multiverse-breaking one.
Another idea that I had, is that Hulk decided to “retire,” and is essentially taking a break, and allowing Bruce to use his strength. But the Hulk personality is still in there somewhere- he just isn’t trying to break out all the time like he had before.
Some of the deleted scenes and ideas for Infinity War and Endgame implied that Hulk was tired of just being an answer to something, a means to an end. As in, Hulk was only ever useful to fight battles and smash, and he began to resent this. It's often said that Hulk wouldn't come out in these movies because he was afraid after losing to Thanos, and it makes sense to assume this, there's very little subtext to go by, but it isn't exactly entirely true. Hulk has never been one to shy away from a threat, and he's had his ass handed to him before. Especially during the fight in Harlem with Abomination, Hulk was losing most of that fight but came out victorious due to his immense perseverance. Hulk didn't want to fight Banner's problems anymore. Your theory of him retiring in a sense, it could really work out with all of this.
I would love to see Eric Banas hulk actually be the world War hulk who's jumping universes either looking for his family or killing off different versions of the illuminate with abilities given to him by Kang
Picture this, a fight between Banner and his new son over the fact that “hes gone soft” and the fact that banner isnt his real dad anyways, HULK is. That leads to him re-hulking out. Now we just gotta write a reason for him to be pissed at the avengers.
I'm down for any Hulk movie, love all the ideas here too! My version would be Red Hulk instigating the war, perhaps capturing Skar & holding him hostage to get Smart Hulk to reeeeally Hulk Out.
Not really. An uncontrollable hulk who sees his planet die on screen and then wants to attack whoever's responsible. Young and quicker to get angry and even stronger because he has no restraint. Could even do the gamma slam something hulk can't do or something to that variation
It’s gotta be tragedy. Both Bruce and the hulk come to an agreement on loving skaar. They both somehow lose him and banner, either filled with depression/self loathing/or just plain sadness over the event because everyone he loves just doesn’t, or is angry himself gives full control to the hulk who is overflowing with rage at this loss. WWH in the comics is smart, exacting strategic revenge and targeting individuals from the illuminati so maybe the mutual anger is the way to go so it’s word breaker hulk.
I can see them doing some kind of World War Hulk mixed with Thunderbolts or something. I can see maybe New Christine has her thunderbolts hunt Hulk and kill him (or something) and that can kick off a rampage of his son.
Ryan I gotta give it to you buddy, that theory is one of the best I've heard. You're right, Banner locked away hulk's persona and when he gets free...Hulks gonna be like..Let's get this party started!!
I love how you redeem the Smart Hulk concept and how it actually improve Banner’s character. I don’t know if Marvel will reveal this, but I really hope so.
There was a story from John Byrne's run where Banner physically separated himself from the Hulk, which was great. This left Hulk as a Tabula Rasa with nothing but rage. Banner on the other hand, couldn't make decisions and became a true wishy washy wimp. This brought in Doc Samson and the Hulk busters. In the end they realized they had to unify for both to exist. I think this would be a great act 1 for a world war hulk movie, since they already did the gladiator stuff in Ragnarok.
Why not have World Breaker Hulk on Sakaar? His lady friend is killed by a rogue faction. He then goes on to kill all of the super powered people on the planet. Barely escaping with his son after realizing he went to far.
I'd like to see when Banner went back to Sakkar; we already know time works differently there, so his time on sakkar during she-hulk could have been years. Maybe he went back to the planet which had been torn to shreds by the revolution in an attempt to help them. If Banner and Hulk both have a hand on the wheel, it could be a good plot point that Hulk wanted to help "his people." The absence of the grandmaster left a massive power vaccum to be filled by the Red King, and when Hulk arrives he finds Skaar. Skaar could resent his dad for leaving, and they fight (maybe an homage to Hulk fighting Thor in the arena) but they eventually realize they need to team up in order to defeat the Red King. They could also slide in a few long-teased characters and cameos to join Hulk's team, maybe this could be the introduction of Beta Ray Bill. In the end, this could be a means to write Ruffalo out of the MCU since he may be looking to retire from the Hulk without writing out Hulk entirely. He could go back to rule Sakaar as a much more benevolent leader than The Red King or the Grandmaster, maybe continuing to host the contest of champions in a way that gladiators are there by choice, rather than as slaves. Meanwhile, Skaar stays on Earth to join the young avengers. This keeps the Hulk in the MCU in that, he can potentially return in the distant future as the Maestro (time works weirdly on Sakaar) and either be a villain (potentially save him to fight wolverine), or a much more ruthless, grizzled version of Hulk.
What if when smart Hulk goes back to Sakaar, his wife somehow dies and that triggers Hulk's inner rage and it becomes something that even Smart Hulk can't control.
Have you read any of the current Hulk comics by Donny Cates? His story is specifically about how the Hulk/Banner identities are indeed separate. The Banner identity has trapped the Hulk identity in a mind prison and it using Hulk’s anger to power the body. But the Hulk is trying to break free, etc., etc. So you aren’t too far off from what’s happening now.
It has always been an idea that there are multiple identities in the hulk. Dony Cates just took it to a whole new level and doing an incredible job. Turning the hulk into a spaceship was incredibly badass and especially the fight with a hulked out Thor and a Thored out hulk
The best way to break Bruce is to put him in the same position they put Dr. Manhatten in, where he's in the public eye and forced to take accountability for all the destruction he's caused. Then have the people try to mob him and he accidently hurts one of them. Banner would try to keep him suppressed after that. Let Banner have a normal life for a bit, fall in love, become a real Professor, meet Amadeus maybe, talk to him about being hulk and all that. Then have The Leader systematically take it all away from him from behind the scenes, maybe placing the blame on Skarr. Maybe kill his new love. Banner can't fight Skarr, but Hulk can...
What would be a cool way to make a World War hulk movie is to take inspiration from the recent Hulk run by Donny Cates called Smashtronaut. In that story, Bruce Banner locks the Hulk persona away into the "Engine Room", where Hulk battles an infinite number of enemies that Bruce has created and could increase the difficulty from Stage 1 up to Stage 10. What that would do is make the Hulk fight virtual enemies and the rage of the Hulk would fuel what Banner is piloting in the real world and that's Starship Hulk. Where Banner pilots the Hulk body like a starship and has weaponized the Hulk's limitless and rage and power. For example, if Starship Hulk starts getting dominated in a fight against someone like Thanos, Bruce could push the throttle to Stage 2 where the Hulk battles tougher enemies and the rage would fuel Starship Hulk, making it stronger and can eventually overpower someone like Thanos. Basically Banner can make Starship Hulk as powerful as he wants it to be. It's pretty OP if you really think about it. No spoilers for the story but what I will say is that when Starship Hulk gets to Stage 9, it's a site to see.
To be fair they don't do any comic storyline event for event. They tend to make a reference with the title and a similar story but still completely different so that it fits the MCU narrative
I'm cautiously hopeful about this. It really all comes down to how it's handled. In many ways, the Hulk is better as a antagonist to other heroes, but a hero when independent of other heroes, if that makes sense? There are incarnations of the Hulk that can be more team-friendly, but the potential of creating an antagonist for a group superhero movie (perhaps multiplate movies, but I would imagine that would be anti-climatic to any other super antagonist being cooked up for the next "big event). We'll (hopefully) see, I guess.
I don’t think timing would line up right, but I’d love to see an explanation of Bruce becoming smart hulk that involves a post blip, rampaging Hulk ending up being confronted by a government… (maybe even Department H… retcon the name to explain them being formed to counter a Hulk threat?) …Wolverine. In the end, they go to Professor X to help Banner maintain control and it’s the Professor who locks him in a mental cage, unbeknownst to even Banner that Hulk is suffering in solitary. We get a Hulk/Wolverine introduction of Logan, we see the first meeting of X and Logan, the Leaser or some other entity breaks hulk out of his mental cage and his thirst for vengeance agains Professor X (and his growing X-Men roster) feeds into a WWH event.
World war hulk was a way to show how powerful hulk can be if they do it this way they still need to make it to where we see him get more powerful and stronger not jus show other hulk’s nb wanna see that
I think they drove past the junction for a solid and logical world war hulk story a long time ago in the MCU. I can't see there being a good way to do it that makes sense to the over all story line of the MCU
Hulk agents of S.M.A.S.H. is 1 storyline thought. Another thought if they trap and try to steal Skars blood; which would lead him to the rage of a parent.
I prefer the version where Hulk has to fight his past and overcome Mastermind's plan of turning the planet into Gamma World. The original World War Hulk story is NOT for me. I'm not a huge fan of telling young kids that taking your rage out by killing everyone around you is very "super." Hulk serves as an emotional catharsis for people who feel they are one bad day away from going on a rampage, but a better message is to show how to overcome that trauma and to become better. With the mastermind Gamma world plot, Hulk is able to go full out without being a villain.
I have believed for years that Wolverine will first appear in a Hulk movie. I really hope he pops up in a World War Hulk film set by the Government to stop Hulk.
Am I crazy for thinking that Scar and hulk fought on Sakar and Scar lost and in his shame he got a hair cut by Stan lees character on Ragnarock .. Just a theory
Banner: There's some mail on the table for you Screencrush: It's disappointing cause we didn't get to see the mail delivered, even though that wasn't what the story was about or needed, who is the mailman, is it MEPHISTO?
I have decided that as long as there is no "HULK SMASH" in the MCU they will get none of my time or money on that character. Your ideas sound great Ryan. I hope the MCU is listening. Honestly I don´t care if Banner gets his happily-ever-after. The tension was always the best part of this character. It is what made the TV show such a hit back in the ´80s. I remember watching every episode waiting for the person or situation that would make Banner lose control and the Hulk emerge 🙂. No matter how predictable I never got tired of that. It is an incredible dynamic of Banner and the Hulk that all Banner sees is the destruction after he changes back, while never seeing the good person, we the audience, got to see in the Hulk. How gentle he could be, and kind. Hulk has always been a hero that Banner sees as a monster and that has so much to do with Banner´s terror of himself. He is a far better man than he realizes so his quest to find a "cure" is something that only he really cares about. As the audience, we don´t see the need for him to be cured. For me the Hulk has been gone since Thanos beat him. As as diehard Hulk fan for decades now - from buying the comic books at my neighborhood 7-11 to watching the cartoon then the live action TV show in the 80´s and all manner of content over the years - I hope someone at the MCU grows a brain and does amazing things with this INCREDIBLE character!
Please Like So Ryan and Doug see this!!! Hey Ryan I Really hope you see this. I don’t use twitter so hopefully this gets to you! Is there any particular reason you have not been doing videos for Rick and Morty season 6?! You are my favorite channel for all things Marvel, DC, movies and TV ..really just all things entertainment..and the current season has been great. This weeks episode (6.07) especially reminded me of your video about how Rick knows he is in a TV show! Anyways..you and Doug are the best and Happy Holidays!! Thanks Ryan!
What I thought would happen is he’d get back together with Betty, be having a family, be happy and then she dies as collateral damage in Avengers shenanigans and it fucking breaks him
Let one of your ideas come to fruition. Banner/Hulk has completely changed and there are a lot of unknowns and plot holes, your ideas could clear those up nicely and disentangle Mark Ruffalo from The Hulk character, allowing for a character reboot.
World leaders come together to try and access Vibranium and Adamantium. Without any success they turn to The Leader. His idea is to create an army of Hulks. However, he can't recreate The Hulk without a blood sample. They try Jen but its not strong enough and getting it from The Hulk is too dangerous. So they kidnap Skaar. They test and torture skaar but its sanctioned by world leaders. Smart Hulk thinks he has run off. Then Hulks extrasensory perception kicks in and he sees Skaar getting tortured. Smart Hulk tries to use political means but no one comes to help Skaar. All the nations of the world are working together to find a way to recreate a Smart Hulk army. So they moving Skaar around the world to various black sites and potentially even off world keeping him hidden. Testing him, using Vibranium and Admantium to cut him apart. The Leader is getting close to creating a Red Hulk serum. As this is happening, The Hulk takes over and Banner is locked away. The Hulk is smarter but more ruthless. He's Maestro. Maestro tears apart governemnts, armies, super heros, as he tracks down Skaar and also Jen. Eventually Hulk finds where Skaar is being kept but The Leader has a Red Hulk Army. Maestro runs through them in an epic battle and is wininng. As he is about the get Skaar out, The Sentry shows up.
I honestly think they should use a Spider-Man movie (A New Home) after Secret Wars and show him mostly with the Black Suit, since Secret Wars is what bring them together. In this movie, in the climax, instead of the Belltower, Peter goes to Reed Richards to have his help getting separated from it. Bruce could be working with Reed now on science things, like he was with Tony. Reed would have just the thing, and so conveniently have a separating machine. This would be where Banner would lose track of his body, and beat Peter into it. The machine would glow a white glow and we see Banner thrown through the glass, as we see Hulk, now separated from Banner destroy the machine, and bust through the building to go on a rampage. We see Reed and Banner go after him, with Bruce again suiting up in the Hulkbuster. Not the Nanotechnology crap, although that is cool. I am talking about an old iconic Ironsuit Suit up scene. Peter is now left alone with the Symbiote suit. We see Peter fight a prisonbroken Gargan. And at the end of the battle the suit would leave Peter for Mac, so we would have a good Spider-Man vs Venom scene. Spider-Man would escape in the F4 and Bag face costume. And in that movies end credits, we see Mac get recruited to the Dark Avengers by Norman and US Agent. Really hoping they start setting up the Dark Avengers over the post credit scenes of Secret Invasion and Thunderbolts! That is a whole thing I would die if I saw.
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@@ellibobble1655 This wasn't exactly common knowledge until about a week ago. Yeah, probably best not to use them in the future, but lets not pretend like you research the topic yourself either. You watched the same video we all did lmao.
@@KyleHerbert13 sorry you know how negative people can be online and I was just feeling mistrusted
Let this be the most awesome hulk we have ever seen!
Most likely it will be like the complete turd that was she hulk.
You can't ever do a "1 to 1 adaptation" of the World War Hulk story, the very nature of that type story is only used *TO SET UP A POST APOCOLOYPTIC FUTURE WHERE ALL HERO'S ARE DEAD EFFECTIVELY ENDING THE WORLD* Because it is a Shared Interconnect Cinematic Universe with *A LOT MORE* Spin Off's, ensemble's, Solo movie's & D+ Shows & Special's we're talking about here Disney won't ever fundamentally change the MCU Status Quo so these other MCU stories that has absolutely nothing to do with the Hulk Character *CAN CONTINUE AS NORMAL!..* 😒
@@josephbugeja3208 perhaps the movie could happen after secret wars. Where Hulk returns after the Avengers beat Kang and the next villain is Hulk
@@Retro3 no Disney saw how everyone reacted to how they threw Wanda Maximoff/Scarlet Witch under the bus by making her into a full blown villain in Dr. Strange MOM.. Disney wouldn’t want to try doing that again with the “Big Guy.”
I swear, you have to have some insider talking to you. Your analysis and predictions are so accurate either someone inside is feeding you information or they are seeing what you're putting out there and incorporating it into the story arcs.And if it's just you being uber-perceptive, they should hire you to help develop the story lines. We may miss out on your incredible analysis, but we would benefit from the incredible depth you would add to the creative process.
I disagree. I dont think they listen to him at all, and that sucks for us. The entire mcu based on his predictions alone would be amazing. And have mephisto
@@ezav420 At least we can agree Ryan is amazing at this.
@@l00k4tstuff AGREE!
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It's amazing how you perfectly explained what the problem is with this new smart hulk. We never got to see the struggle of him arriving to that conclusion. The 2 identies are extremely crucial parts of the character even in the MCU and we saw no journey to the conclusion. Hopefully we get WWH as a prelude to the avengers movie
Maybe Smart Hulk isn’t the conclusion, I think Bruce put Hulk in a mind cage with his experiments. The monster might be in there and finally break out so Star, She-Hulk, and whoever else will have to fight him
@@fictionverse7292 No he says "me and the big guy worked it out" I.e they came to some kind of understanding which is kind of stupid in my opinion because unless I am wrong nothing like that ever happens in the comics where hulk decides to never ever come out again. Its literally an important part of his psyche
@@nomorenamesavailabl1668 I said smart Hulk isn’t the conclusion. It’s just Banner’s he’d in Hulk’s body. I think the conclusion is that they combine their personalities together when they not only accept each other, they realize they are each other; Hulk is Bruce and a Bruce is Hulk
@@fictionverse7292 I see what your trying to say but the comics and the movies speak otherwise. Banner spent years meditating and using different methods of therapies to find a solution. Hulk isn't just a manifestation of his traumas anymore it is literally another entity. It's 2 people living within one body. Originally like Jekyll and Hyde which the hulk is based on they were the divide of one into 2 but they are not opposite sides of thesame coin. Banner isn't completely good and hulk isn't completely bad. They are literally 2 individuals in one body now they cannot or at least have not yet in the comics merged their psychis. Banner always either gets banished to the subconscious, the hulk does or they come to an agreement to alternate command
Maybe Hulk being trapped in the mental prison thinks it's only a dream and when he takes over control and finds out Natasha is really dead, then that could be what snaps him emotionally and creates World War Hulk, blaming all of the heroes for her death.
I don't see that happening since they've already squeezed Natasha's death for Hawkeye and Yelena's stories. We can't have half the MCU motivated by that
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I would love to see Hulk vs Wolverine or him vs Wonder Man. We might have Hyperion coming to the MCU so he could fight him as well.
or YESSS all of them making going on him one on one and making him annoyed and the most angry in the same movie
Yeah, but Wonderman is just going to be a nerfed Black Manta. So hard pass on that weak battle.
About we just see the real Hulk kicking everyone's ass especially captain marvel.
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In she hulk, right after the Crash, there is a glimpse Moment when Hulk comes Out and He is clearly pissed. I Always suspected that He is trapped in there.
Random words don’t need to be capitalized in sentences.
The dog sayin he wants to b a pillar of his community was hilarious tho
I'd like Hulk and Banner to come an arrangement similar to the one they created in Earth's Mightiest Heroes where Hulk takes the drivers seat but Banner remains on standby to offer him advice when dealing with problems, he can't just smash or a true Fusion where both of their individual memories are integrated into a being that appreciates smashing just as much as science.
I've actually think a mix of the first and third idea, where Maestro, and different World-Breaker Hulks goes back in time, or universe, split Banner and Hulk apart, and plan on making Hulk a new Maestro. So it would focus on Bruce and Hulk to finally find a final conclusion to their relationship to stop Maestro, and other Hulks that work with him.
I kind of gave up on mcu hulk but your idea of hulk being separated got me excited, it'll keep the hulk around for a long time
The incursions with Dr Strange bring each Hulk to a point where the Red Hulk find more alliances with Bruce Hulking once he realizes Val coerced his Son. With Young Avengers facing off with XMen subplot.
If we do get a World War Hulk movie, I want to know how Skaar came to be
I actually have a theory that sakkar would blame the avengers for hulk leaving him and he travels everywhere killing avengers then the avengers assemble against sakkar
When a man loves a woman....
@@FireJach but bigger question is hulk technically cheated on black widow while he was on another planet😲
@@A1word308 I don’t think they were a thing
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I like your bit about Hulk growing too powerful and angry for Banner to control and going on a world-breaking rampage, but I have a possible thought on how it could be spiced up even more.
What if that rampage and Hulk takeover happens during the multiversal war? Hulk going on an absolute rampage and decimating the heroes and villains from numerous universes in their collective battlefield. Not just a world-breaking rampage, but a universe- or multiverse-breaking one.
@screencrush ... I agree with theory #2 he trapped/suppressed him and he is angry .. That will be world war hulk ... ... This is awesome
Just watched the behind the scenes for She-Hulk, and I gotta say I can’t imagine Harrison Ford agreeing to do the mocap stuff for Red Hulk.
Pretty unlikely. Probably just the voice. They could also do a different red hulk and hes just the manager
@@mediumvillain What's the point of recasting the character then.
Another idea that I had, is that Hulk decided to “retire,” and is essentially taking a break, and allowing Bruce to use his strength. But the Hulk personality is still in there somewhere- he just isn’t trying to break out all the time like he had before.
Some of the deleted scenes and ideas for Infinity War and Endgame implied that Hulk was tired of just being an answer to something, a means to an end. As in, Hulk was only ever useful to fight battles and smash, and he began to resent this.
It's often said that Hulk wouldn't come out in these movies because he was afraid after losing to Thanos, and it makes sense to assume this, there's very little subtext to go by, but it isn't exactly entirely true. Hulk has never been one to shy away from a threat, and he's had his ass handed to him before. Especially during the fight in Harlem with Abomination, Hulk was losing most of that fight but came out victorious due to his immense perseverance.
Hulk didn't want to fight Banner's problems anymore. Your theory of him retiring in a sense, it could really work out with all of this.
I would love to see Eric Banas hulk actually be the world War hulk who's jumping universes either looking for his family or killing off different versions of the illuminate with abilities given to him by Kang
Picture this, a fight between Banner and his new son over the fact that “hes gone soft” and the fact that banner isnt his real dad anyways, HULK is. That leads to him re-hulking out. Now we just gotta write a reason for him to be pissed at the avengers.
Holy effing Shushers. You Grogu'd Skaar and that was (let's be honest) the best move the MCU could've done. Give my props to Doug.
I'm down for any Hulk movie, love all the ideas here too! My version would be Red Hulk instigating the war, perhaps capturing Skar & holding him hostage to get Smart Hulk to reeeeally Hulk Out.
Imagine if they’ll do Hulk vs Wolverine in Deadpool 3.
With edward norton hulk
Eric Bana Hulk Bananza Extravaganza Tony Danza
Hulk VS Wolverine VS Deadpool VS 3
i wish they would bring out more of the hulks personality's like grey hulk or devil hulk
Same here, Joe Fixit would be a nice way to mix things up and be a great "Villain" for a couple movies.
The worst scenario would be to make his son the War World Hulk
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That would be extremely awful
Why would it be awful? Seriously, what would be the problem?
Not really. An uncontrollable hulk who sees his planet die on screen and then wants to attack whoever's responsible. Young and quicker to get angry and even stronger because he has no restraint. Could even do the gamma slam something hulk can't do or something to that variation
Doug is always the comedy relief we needed😂.
It’s gotta be tragedy. Both Bruce and the hulk come to an agreement on loving skaar. They both somehow lose him and banner, either filled with depression/self loathing/or just plain sadness over the event because everyone he loves just doesn’t, or is angry himself gives full control to the hulk who is overflowing with rage at this loss. WWH in the comics is smart, exacting strategic revenge and targeting individuals from the illuminati so maybe the mutual anger is the way to go so it’s word breaker hulk.
I can see them doing some kind of World War Hulk mixed with Thunderbolts or something. I can see maybe New Christine has her thunderbolts hunt Hulk and kill him (or something) and that can kick off a rampage of his son.
Ryan I gotta give it to you buddy, that theory is one of the best I've heard. You're right, Banner locked away hulk's persona and when he gets free...Hulks gonna be like..Let's get this party started!!
World War hulk is going to be a epic masterpiece!🔥
Totally agree with your second theory.
So funny because Banner said in Endgame that he found all the aggression gratuitous.
What do you think of our idea?
So they'll be other Hulks and they'll fight the people who hate him (thanks to Leader)? I like this idea! 💡
I love how you redeem the Smart Hulk concept and how it actually improve Banner’s character. I don’t know if Marvel will reveal this, but I really hope so.
I think this would work great
There was a story from John Byrne's run where Banner physically separated himself from the Hulk, which was great. This left Hulk as a Tabula Rasa with nothing but rage. Banner on the other hand, couldn't make decisions and became a true wishy washy wimp. This brought in Doc Samson and the Hulk busters. In the end they realized they had to unify for both to exist. I think this would be a great act 1 for a world war hulk movie, since they already did the gladiator stuff in Ragnarok.
War of the Hulks I think we are going to get. Introduce Betty as Red She Hulk would be great.
Why not have World Breaker Hulk on Sakaar? His lady friend is killed by a rogue faction. He then goes on to kill all of the super powered people on the planet. Barely escaping with his son after realizing he went to far.
I'd like to see when Banner went back to Sakkar; we already know time works differently there, so his time on sakkar during she-hulk could have been years. Maybe he went back to the planet which had been torn to shreds by the revolution in an attempt to help them. If Banner and Hulk both have a hand on the wheel, it could be a good plot point that Hulk wanted to help "his people." The absence of the grandmaster left a massive power vaccum to be filled by the Red King, and when Hulk arrives he finds Skaar. Skaar could resent his dad for leaving, and they fight (maybe an homage to Hulk fighting Thor in the arena) but they eventually realize they need to team up in order to defeat the Red King. They could also slide in a few long-teased characters and cameos to join Hulk's team, maybe this could be the introduction of Beta Ray Bill. In the end, this could be a means to write Ruffalo out of the MCU since he may be looking to retire from the Hulk without writing out Hulk entirely. He could go back to rule Sakaar as a much more benevolent leader than The Red King or the Grandmaster, maybe continuing to host the contest of champions in a way that gladiators are there by choice, rather than as slaves. Meanwhile, Skaar stays on Earth to join the young avengers.
This keeps the Hulk in the MCU in that, he can potentially return in the distant future as the Maestro (time works weirdly on Sakaar) and either be a villain (potentially save him to fight wolverine), or a much more ruthless, grizzled version of Hulk.
I think skaar was introduced to eventually kill him off in front of Bruce which is what causes him to turn into WWH
What if when smart Hulk goes back to Sakaar, his wife somehow dies and that triggers Hulk's inner rage and it becomes something that even Smart Hulk can't control.
Have you read any of the current Hulk comics by Donny Cates? His story is specifically about how the Hulk/Banner identities are indeed separate. The Banner identity has trapped the Hulk identity in a mind prison and it using Hulk’s anger to power the body. But the Hulk is trying to break free, etc., etc. So you aren’t too far off from what’s happening now.
It has always been an idea that there are multiple identities in the hulk. Dony Cates just took it to a whole new level and doing an incredible job. Turning the hulk into a spaceship was incredibly badass and especially the fight with a hulked out Thor and a Thored out hulk
The best way to break Bruce is to put him in the same position they put Dr. Manhatten in, where he's in the public eye and forced to take accountability for all the destruction he's caused. Then have the people try to mob him and he accidently hurts one of them. Banner would try to keep him suppressed after that. Let Banner have a normal life for a bit, fall in love, become a real Professor, meet Amadeus maybe, talk to him about being hulk and all that. Then have The Leader systematically take it all away from him from behind the scenes, maybe placing the blame on Skarr. Maybe kill his new love. Banner can't fight Skarr, but Hulk can...
10:21 "SMASH. SHASH. BABY." 🤣🤣🤣 Excellent editing 👌
What would be a cool way to make a World War hulk movie is to take inspiration from the recent Hulk run by Donny Cates called Smashtronaut. In that story, Bruce Banner locks the Hulk persona away into the "Engine Room", where Hulk battles an infinite number of enemies that Bruce has created and could increase the difficulty from Stage 1 up to Stage 10. What that would do is make the Hulk fight virtual enemies and the rage of the Hulk would fuel what Banner is piloting in the real world and that's Starship Hulk. Where Banner pilots the Hulk body like a starship and has weaponized the Hulk's limitless and rage and power. For example, if Starship Hulk starts getting dominated in a fight against someone like Thanos, Bruce could push the throttle to Stage 2 where the Hulk battles tougher enemies and the rage would fuel Starship Hulk, making it stronger and can eventually overpower someone like Thanos. Basically Banner can make Starship Hulk as powerful as he wants it to be. It's pretty OP if you really think about it. No spoilers for the story but what I will say is that when Starship Hulk gets to Stage 9, it's a site to see.
That would he horrible,that story is all over the place and Donny completely ignores previous canons of the Hulk..
Cates run is dogshit. I refuse to license it as canon.
Villain for the next saga(after multiverse)… Maestro… 🤯
They can't do a World War Hulk movie anymore.
It's come and gone. He's back on Earth. What's his revenge motive?
Tee hee, Ryan finally admitted Doug can see the color blue. There's hope yet!
I love Doug so much😂❤
I like the 3rd idea best where Hulk torments Banner and goes on a rampage. Hulk vs Sentry need that!
That analysis sounds very intriguing and comic accurate too
I lost it at the 13:30 mark. 😆😂🤣
Hopefully it’s like in the comics and revealed smart hulk isn’t actually Bruce but another persona
I really like Comics Alliance theory where Maestro Hulk is played by Eric Bana and Bruce has to fight him, possibly with She-Hulk and Skaar 🤔
Hopefully we will get Hulk vs Wolverine first encounter.
Fr. But honestly Idk if I want to see Wolverine lose right after he gets the role back
They could make WWHULK if Kang unleashes a hulk variant that's not 616 nice hulk
You are as good as Linus with the segways
To be fair they don't do any comic storyline event for event. They tend to make a reference with the title and a similar story but still completely different so that it fits the MCU narrative
8:51 That "somehow Palpatine returned" line always makes me laugh out loud
So much is happening who knows what Kevin has in mind for the future... remember this isn't a race in the MCU it's a marathon.
I want world war hulk to be like when hulk gets control and burst out in rage when he sees black widow is dead and goes to a rampage
Impossible.
Perfect theory would actually love this
It would be nice to see him rage out and kick ass again. He hasn't been the same since infinity war.
Martin Starr played Amadeus Cho in The Incredible Hulk, but Feige retconed that when he played another role in Homecoming.
I'm cautiously hopeful about this. It really all comes down to how it's handled. In many ways, the Hulk is better as a antagonist to other heroes, but a hero when independent of other heroes, if that makes sense? There are incarnations of the Hulk that can be more team-friendly, but the potential of creating an antagonist for a group superhero movie (perhaps multiplate movies, but I would imagine that would be anti-climatic to any other super antagonist being cooked up for the next "big event). We'll (hopefully) see, I guess.
That second story can make a great movie
This is something we have to see!
The intro🤣🤣love it
The MCU OWES US a Great Hulk story! He’s been a punching bag for way too long!
Grey Hulk before WW Hulk. Have to introduce Doc Samson as well
Wolverine, Thor, Sentey, Captain Universe, Captain Britain, Abomination, Red Hulk, Skaar, Scarlet Witch, Captain Marvel, etc
I don’t want to see an army of Hulks any more than I want to see a symbiote army, it’s TOO MANY
I just want to see The Hulk v/s The Juggernaut
Placing an ad after Banner Snap 😆👍
I don’t think timing would line up right, but I’d love to see an explanation of Bruce becoming smart hulk that involves a post blip, rampaging Hulk ending up being confronted by a government…
(maybe even Department H… retcon the name to explain them being formed to counter a Hulk threat?)
…Wolverine. In the end, they go to Professor X to help Banner maintain control and it’s the Professor who locks him in a mental cage, unbeknownst to even Banner that Hulk is suffering in solitary.
We get a Hulk/Wolverine introduction of Logan, we see the first meeting of X and Logan, the Leaser or some other entity breaks hulk out of his mental cage and his thirst for vengeance agains Professor X (and his growing X-Men roster) feeds into a WWH event.
I think they will do it as a what if story in the events of age of Ultron when Wanda showed him vision of something.
very great video n ideas as alws... hulk smash !!!
World war hulk was a way to show how powerful hulk can be if they do it this way they still need to make it to where we see him get more powerful and stronger not jus show other hulk’s nb wanna see that
I think they drove past the junction for a solid and logical world war hulk story a long time ago in the MCU. I can't see there being a good way to do it that makes sense to the over all story line of the MCU
Hulk agents of S.M.A.S.H. is 1 storyline thought. Another thought if they trap and try to steal Skars blood; which would lead him to the rage of a parent.
I prefer the version where Hulk has to fight his past and overcome Mastermind's plan of turning the planet into Gamma World. The original World War Hulk story is NOT for me. I'm not a huge fan of telling young kids that taking your rage out by killing everyone around you is very "super." Hulk serves as an emotional catharsis for people who feel they are one bad day away from going on a rampage, but a better message is to show how to overcome that trauma and to become better. With the mastermind Gamma world plot, Hulk is able to go full out without being a villain.
I wish we could get the old personality’s back Bruce/hulk but now hulk is chilling no fear no anger marvel what have you done…. 😔
I can see WWH being a 4 part special presentation.
Nothing you can buy will automatically get you respect, Doug! :)
When is the MCU gonna do Doc Samson? They should bring back Burrell
I really would liked to have seen Hulk/Wolverine and Spider-Man/Hulk prior to professor hulk mentality.
Maybe after the Secret War reset.
We don't have enough heros for world War hulk yet
Daaaamn, Ryan roasted the haircut
After watching this video, I now need a scene in the MCU where moon knight and hulk discuss their identity issues.
I have believed for years that Wolverine will first appear in a Hulk movie. I really hope he pops up in a World War Hulk film set by the Government to stop Hulk.
Am I crazy for thinking that Scar and hulk fought on Sakar and Scar lost and in his shame he got a hair cut by Stan lees character on Ragnarock ..
Just a theory
Banner: There's some mail on the table for you
Screencrush: It's disappointing cause we didn't get to see the mail delivered, even though that wasn't what the story was about or needed, who is the mailman, is it MEPHISTO?
I have decided that as long as there is no "HULK SMASH" in the MCU they will get none of my time or money on that character. Your ideas sound great Ryan. I hope the MCU is listening. Honestly I don´t care if Banner gets his happily-ever-after. The tension was always the best part of this character. It is what made the TV show such a hit back in the ´80s. I remember watching every episode waiting for the person or situation that would make Banner lose control and the Hulk emerge 🙂. No matter how predictable I never got tired of that. It is an incredible dynamic of Banner and the Hulk that all Banner sees is the destruction after he changes back, while never seeing the good person, we the audience, got to see in the Hulk. How gentle he could be, and kind. Hulk has always been a hero that Banner sees as a monster and that has so much to do with Banner´s terror of himself. He is a far better man than he realizes so his quest to find a "cure" is something that only he really cares about. As the audience, we don´t see the need for him to be cured. For me the Hulk has been gone since Thanos beat him. As as diehard Hulk fan for decades now - from buying the comic books at my neighborhood 7-11 to watching the cartoon then the live action TV show in the 80´s and all manner of content over the years - I hope someone at the MCU grows a brain and does amazing things with this INCREDIBLE character!
I wonder why some fans want Hulk to undo all the development he's gone through, and all the happiness he's gained, just to go back to smashing things?
Please Like So Ryan and Doug see this!!!
Hey Ryan I Really hope you see this. I don’t use twitter so hopefully this gets to you! Is there any particular reason you have not been doing videos for Rick and Morty season 6?! You are my favorite channel for all things Marvel, DC, movies and TV ..really just all things entertainment..and the current season has been great. This weeks episode (6.07) especially reminded me of your video about how Rick knows he is in a TV show! Anyways..you and Doug are the best and Happy Holidays!! Thanks Ryan!
What I thought would happen is he’d get back together with Betty, be having a family, be happy and then she dies as collateral damage in Avengers shenanigans and it fucking breaks him
WWH would be a great point for Banner's story. Being Professor Hulk isnt optimal - he has full control but isnt fully powerful.
Let one of your ideas come to fruition. Banner/Hulk has completely changed and there are a lot of unknowns and plot holes, your ideas could clear those up nicely and disentangle Mark Ruffalo from The Hulk character, allowing for a character reboot.
Nice callback with the Hulkamania reference!
World leaders come together to try and access Vibranium and Adamantium. Without any success they turn to The Leader. His idea is to create an army of Hulks. However, he can't recreate The Hulk without a blood sample. They try Jen but its not strong enough and getting it from The Hulk is too dangerous. So they kidnap Skaar. They test and torture skaar but its sanctioned by world leaders. Smart Hulk thinks he has run off. Then Hulks extrasensory perception kicks in and he sees Skaar getting tortured. Smart Hulk tries to use political means but no one comes to help Skaar. All the nations of the world are working together to find a way to recreate a Smart Hulk army. So they moving Skaar around the world to various black sites and potentially even off world keeping him hidden. Testing him, using Vibranium and Admantium to cut him apart. The Leader is getting close to creating a Red Hulk serum. As this is happening, The Hulk takes over and Banner is locked away. The Hulk is smarter but more ruthless. He's Maestro. Maestro tears apart governemnts, armies, super heros, as he tracks down Skaar and also Jen. Eventually Hulk finds where Skaar is being kept but The Leader has a Red Hulk Army. Maestro runs through them in an epic battle and is wininng. As he is about the get Skaar out, The Sentry shows up.
I honestly think they should use a Spider-Man movie (A New Home) after Secret Wars and show him mostly with the Black Suit, since Secret Wars is what bring them together. In this movie, in the climax, instead of the Belltower, Peter goes to Reed Richards to have his help getting separated from it. Bruce could be working with Reed now on science things, like he was with Tony. Reed would have just the thing, and so conveniently have a separating machine. This would be where Banner would lose track of his body, and beat Peter into it. The machine would glow a white glow and we see Banner thrown through the glass, as we see Hulk, now separated from Banner destroy the machine, and bust through the building to go on a rampage. We see Reed and Banner go after him, with Bruce again suiting up in the Hulkbuster. Not the Nanotechnology crap, although that is cool. I am talking about an old iconic Ironsuit Suit up scene. Peter is now left alone with the Symbiote suit. We see Peter fight a prisonbroken Gargan. And at the end of the battle the suit would leave Peter for Mac, so we would have a good Spider-Man vs Venom scene. Spider-Man would escape in the F4 and Bag face costume. And in that movies end credits, we see Mac get recruited to the Dark Avengers by Norman and US Agent. Really hoping they start setting up the Dark Avengers over the post credit scenes of Secret Invasion and Thunderbolts! That is a whole thing I would die if I saw.