S Casillas this is what part of being a man involved. all these panzy kids growin up with their parents tellin um not to get dirty. sad really. not to mention all the awesome skills being lost over time.
We all 😍loved the small working garage behind the taxistand near the small road crossing in the green low lands of van der Mik in Vinkeveen. How many people came and went and how many wheels where widened by this trained team, countless! For my road and race cars I brought many sets, even a set for my girlfriends tiny Renault Clio and the quality of their work constantly of the highest level. Never a millimeter or even a little of that off in hight or wide so no disbalance and never a leak as well. A smear of paint of any kind available was enough to protect it against corrosion etc. And it always was a treat to look at their performance which never missed a single beat, it was like watching a play in a theater. Always in a good mood to answer a question. Like what was the max they did in mm, for racecars on the the former racecircuit Baarlo they widened rims with the height of a 60 litre oil drum! They disliked the widening of the wheels of my little Suzuki as the front of the streetcar could only handle half an inch widening which was difficult to weld so close to each other, they promoted wider with a smile, extra inches added didn t cost a penny more they offered smiling 😀 And when the ET count was not up to wish they were able to change the offset by bore out the or welds by replacing or even turn around the centre plate. Never a doubt their work would be unsafe at what speed or what performance at how many horsepower and torque whatsoever. Cost was I think15 builders extra a piece, I recall wiring a rim was 25 or 30 a piece, peanuts to the amount of work, the performance and the quality and to the sole other offered of simular services named Piper from their automatic mig welded rims. At van Mik could take a copied quarter of an A4 paper with the small pricelist with a dress and telephone number to give to a racefried or so as a kind of prehistoric but functional business card. I always think of it when I pass by to visit the Saab garage nearby sorry the van der Mik people don t do this widening stuff with all extra effects anymore, it was brilliant😎, luckily we still have the remembrance and the film here, hope more will show up. Cheers, Ron
Hi, thank you for this special ,and comprehensive, report. It is striking that this short film (still) evokes so many reactions from everyone. In the 70s we were also active at Ovalracing (Dongevaart). The widening of steel rims was often done at the time. The machines were sold some time ago and these seniors have unfortunately stopped doing this masterpiece of welding .
It’s rare to work with people who have such an understanding, that everything is so cohesive you don’t have to say a word you just work until the job is done and move onto the next one.
...it is exactly what i am thinking...whit true skills and gold hands makes possible to be today on car or motorcycle...or any building...respect and consideration...and a big thank you
Now that’s engineering work at its best! No computers no bloody health and safety to stop you thinking for yourself, brings back so many memories. I started work in 1981 and we still had overhead shafts and belts driving the machines and yes we still arc welded and I can still do that better than mig 😝😝
I learned some stuff from "old folk" like them during my apprenticeship. I tried to soak up as much as possible before they retired including how to stick weld properly among other things.
This is probably the 200th time watching this video! Watching these two work on this is so epic! You can tell they have been doing this for a while! :D
I’ve been to this place a few times about 15 years ago. They did a good job on my rims, only downside you needed more weight to balance the wheels afterwards. But great work, a lost art.. That worn out table should be in a museum.
So you are suggesting no young people are willing to develop skills/learn a trade? AI and robotics are NOT able to replace humans. What is shown here is one thing a skilled person can do outside of how his skills are used for production work.
Wow that guy welding has some time on a stick welder. You know you have it right wen you can repeatedly strike an arc right wen you want it. Mad props!
Looks like a Alfa Romeo wheel 😎 growing up my older brother use to take his wheels to a local shop owned by a Japanese fabricator 👍👍 during the 70s here in California. 4x108 bolt pattern.
A thing italy and britain have in common is Craftmanship... the only countries that built coaches with beating hearts. This is also why people say they're crap... Errare humanum est!
You can admire these old school workers for not using gloves, eye protection or leathers, but for every old worker I can show you another blind worker that didn't use eye gear, another missing a lung, another missing fingers. Safety gear allows everyone to become experts through repetition. Get to see retirement, by wearing proper gear. Your grandkids will have you when you're 80, instead of losing you to lung disease at 48.
Love the old lathe ,the shop I work at has a 1912 lodge & Shipley with 4' dia. chuck. You better have your man hands on if you wanna hand feed anything. Lucky Big Bertha has power feed even on the compound.
Klopt, het zijn gewoon vaklui . Maar alle spullen zijn inmiddels verkocht en de heren waren bij het filmen al enigszins op leeftijd. En idd prima velgen onder de Alfa.
Ik weet het dat ze niet meer bestaan! Was echt een genot om naar te kijken. Vooral het volledig doorgesleten blad van de werktafel van het ronddraaien van de velg, vond ik prachtig en is in je filmpje prima te zien. Een mooie alfa trouwens!!
I did that with a pair of VW wheels for a dune buggy but added a 6 inch ring to run 11 wide inch tires. I just tacked the ring on then rolled it on the garage floor & had a bead just like those.
These guys are bad to the bone. Top notch skill and the ability to hold his hand so close to where the other fella is tacking is amazing 👍. Most times I tack things together without a helmet I get "sunburn" ha ha ha but seems these guys are impervious to all that radiation truly old school.
Trabajan muy bien .....con un estilo muy técnico y bien hecho.........lo único malo que el señor de más edad no se cubre las manos del calor de la soldadura ni para su cara.....👌
Excellent old school craftsmanship at its finest I saw him True the wheels dynamically . But , I'm curious as to if they will balance both dynamically & statically ? Fine work gentlemen !
I just love watching these two old schol pros. Total respect. What do you reckon one could learn from them in a day. Makes me feel kind of sad for my generation with all its over regulated bull shit not to mention totally hopeless for my kids generation who dont know how to wipe their asses or how to get a glass of water .
Alas, the dying art of BODGING!! Hands like Fibreglass, Eyes like ****holes in the snow. Could have bought a set already the right size for £40 ... Still, you gotta love 'em ;)
£40? really? From where? I'd love a set of steels the exact right size I wanted for £10 each, sadly I have got to pay £275+VAT each +shipping, that's a tad over £2k for 5 rims. Never mind, in my dreams Pamela Anderson is still hot too brah.
Eyes are more precise then vaniyar caliper.. Hands are strong and accurate then any C laps .. welding technic is fine no need of technology.. true masters of iron .
50 YRS ago,as an apprentice I split wheels like this and the welder rolled a complete band and welded the ends first before welding it into the rim,same result,today the vehicle licensing authorities would shit nails if they saw it.
Yep. Today you replace the rims intact (made to the required width, not extended) but retain the original center. Of course the rim/center must be welded by a certified welder.
"There's no bullshit here....no useless talking...I'm not gonna tell you when ta cover your damn eyes....I have a frigg'n welder here...when the stick gets close to the metal, LOOK AWAY dumb ass and don't cry about it...." at least that's what I heard in my head when I watched it...lol.
Grew up in a garage like this. These guys are like my uncle Joe and Frank, both now gone. Humble, skilled, no frills. Kings.
no gloves, hand held mask, no leathers, not even a mig or tig, even a smoke in the mouth............dudes are old school as hell. love it!
S Casillas this is what part of being a man involved. all these panzy kids growin up with their parents tellin um not to get dirty. sad really. not to mention all the awesome skills being lost over time.
those are the type of guys that built this country, gettin it done.
All Countries!
Justin S i was thinking about the same
Justin S not even cutting lube or such..
How many wheels do you have to do to wear through a steel work table? Experience making it look easy! Total respect to masters of their craft.
Done some calculating, 10 rims a day, 300 days a year, 40 years for sure, 120000 wheels, could easely be more :)
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We all 😍loved the small working garage behind the taxistand near the small road crossing in the green low lands of van der Mik in Vinkeveen.
How many people came and went and how many wheels where widened by this trained team, countless!
For my road and race cars I brought many sets, even a set for my girlfriends tiny Renault Clio and the quality of their work constantly of the highest level. Never a millimeter or even a little of that off in hight or wide so no disbalance and never a leak as well. A smear of paint of any kind available was enough to protect it against corrosion etc.
And it always was a treat to look at their performance which never missed a single beat, it was like watching a play in a theater.
Always in a good mood to answer a question. Like what was the max they did in mm, for racecars on the the former racecircuit Baarlo they widened rims with the height of a 60 litre oil drum! They disliked the widening of the wheels of my little Suzuki as the front of the streetcar could only handle half an inch widening which was difficult to weld so close to each other, they promoted wider with a smile, extra inches added didn t cost a penny more they offered smiling 😀
And when the ET count was not up to wish they were able to change the offset by bore out the or welds by replacing or even turn around the centre plate. Never a doubt their work would be unsafe at what speed or what performance at how many horsepower and torque whatsoever. Cost was I think15 builders extra a piece, I recall wiring a rim was 25 or 30 a piece, peanuts to the amount of work, the performance and the quality and to the sole other offered of simular services named Piper from their automatic mig welded rims.
At van Mik could take a copied quarter of an A4 paper with the small pricelist with a dress and telephone number to give to a racefried or so as a kind of prehistoric but functional business card.
I always think of it when I pass by to visit the Saab garage nearby sorry the van der Mik people don t do this widening stuff with all extra effects anymore, it was brilliant😎, luckily we still have the remembrance and the film here, hope more will show up.
Cheers, Ron
Hi, thank you for this special ,and comprehensive, report. It is striking that this short film (still) evokes so many reactions from everyone. In the 70s we were also active at Ovalracing (Dongevaart). The widening of steel rims was often done at the time. The machines were sold some time ago and these seniors have unfortunately stopped doing this masterpiece of welding .
It’s rare to work with people who have such an understanding, that everything is so cohesive you don’t have to say a word you just work until the job is done and move onto the next one.
These old dogs display the hand and skill that built the world. Very impressed with these guys.
I respect this comment
100% TRUTH ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ These guys are badass !!
...it is exactly what i am thinking...whit true skills and gold hands makes possible to be today on car or motorcycle...or any building...respect and consideration...and a big thank you
Fascinating to watch two old timers doing what they do best. Thanks for posting
lookin at that table and the teamwork you can tell they been doing this awhile.
Over 80 years and still working .......
And yes ,..... they have been doing this for a longtime.
ball games
+Roger Lelieveld ....I was wondering if they can do a set for me (I'm in the US)
+delon thompson My machinist did this in the sixties. 5J to 5.5J etc.
Now that’s engineering work at its best! No computers no bloody health and safety to stop you thinking for yourself, brings back so many memories. I started work in 1981 and we still had overhead shafts and belts driving the machines and yes we still arc welded and I can still do that better than mig 😝😝
I really like watching old dudes work ,basic tools just gettin it done ,knowing their craft .
I always find such joy in watching professionals work with metal,be it gunsmithing or wheelwidening :)
These guys are such a rare breed! I feel priveledge to know the few i do know and the knowledge they teach me.
This guy knows how to stick weld!
mathew whittle he is like a machine extremely efficient,right
That guy does it like we drink water .
I thought he looked bored sometimes and was gonna do it behind his back or standing on his head at one point.
Probably one of the best in the world wile his hands still work!
Everyone should learn this process before mig\tig.
I used to do this a lot for oval racing. These two are as good as it gets, zero communication 100% action, top MMA skills.
That's some of the Nicest stick welds I've ever seen!
Maybe some of the younger folk should watch this video. Might be good for them.
First class team these two..
Agree with you on that one,going to buy a non runner engine of some sorts for my boys to play with.maybe a small stationery engine or a diesel v8
I learned some stuff from "old folk" like them during my apprenticeship. I tried to soak up as much as possible before they retired including how to stick weld properly among other things.
This is probably the 200th time watching this video! Watching these two work on this is so epic! You can tell they have been doing this for a while! :D
Waaaay better craftsmanship....gotta appreciate the old timers that took the time to show us how it's up to us to continue way to go guys
These guys make it look so easy. No need for fancy machines like on Bitchin' rides or West Coast Customs. Old school.
They old,but damn those welds,looks like they done with machine :).
They're not metal workers, they're ARTISTS!!!
Sebastian Smart hit the nail on the head ARTISTS
Those welds were impressive. Never seen any welds made that smooth from a welding rod. 👏👏👏👏👏👏
The entire process was not shown. Too time consuming to show every step of the operation.
I'm always Respect the old school....
I would trust those welds more than the ones done by a machine.
Those welds have time and experience built right in
A dyeing art form, old school, they even done so many worn the table out.
Damn good looking welds for an arc welder.
Master of cool old school wheel banding... hat's off to em....
no fancy toll.no laser guide no nothing.man this a real PRO.best part is i like the cigar that stick to his mouth
I’ve been to this place a few times about 15 years ago. They did a good job on my rims, only downside you needed more weight to balance the wheels afterwards. But great work, a lost art.. That worn out table should be in a museum.
Good welding man . A few bits of safety gear would help you stay safe.
Best welds i've ever seen from a stick! Give that man a cigar!!
Practice makes perfect with stick welding , the more you do the better you should get .
Serious respect to these guys.....only problem is that once these guys are gone.......it’s a lost art working old school....... sadly
So you are suggesting no young people are willing to develop skills/learn a trade?
AI and robotics are NOT able to replace humans.
What is shown here is one thing a skilled person can do outside of how his skills are used for production work.
Experts, do no talking, only working... good.
Wow that guy welding has some time on a stick welder.
You know you have it right wen you can repeatedly strike an arc right wen you want it.
Mad props!
marvelous cant beat experience god bless gentleman
Respect to you gentlemen, old school workmanship, the Best
Just learn from it Guys, this is Old School, They welding with Elecrode, not Tig! Respect.
Looks like a Alfa Romeo wheel 😎 growing up my older brother use to take his wheels to a local shop owned by a Japanese fabricator 👍👍 during the 70s here in California. 4x108 bolt pattern.
Ain't Nobody gonna tell these Old Dogs How to do their Job!.. 🖒
Very nice work.Old school Is the best👍
A thing italy and britain have in common is Craftmanship... the only countries that built coaches with beating hearts. This is also why people say they're crap... Errare humanum est!
Quadrifoglio 4 this is in the Netherlands, not crappy italy
YZFMANIAC08 sorry you built better cars in NL
You can admire these old school workers for not using gloves, eye protection or leathers,
but for every old worker I can show you another blind worker that didn't use eye gear, another missing a lung, another missing fingers. Safety gear allows everyone to become experts through repetition. Get to see retirement, by wearing proper gear. Your grandkids will have you when you're 80, instead of losing you to lung disease at 48.
I cant believe i'm watching masters at work! wooowwww!!!!
I love this kinda content, could watch it for hours.
Old school, like my father....love it!!
Zwei absolute Profis am Werk...
When I see basic steel rims now I’ll visualise them modified to fit wider tyres.
Love the old lathe ,the shop I work at has a 1912 lodge & Shipley with 4' dia. chuck. You better have your man hands on if you wanna hand feed anything. Lucky Big Bertha has power feed even on the compound.
Van de Mik!! Geweldig dat oude materiaal, maar je had daarna wel een stel prachtige rechte velgen!! Ouderwets ambachtelijk werk!!!
Klopt, het zijn gewoon vaklui . Maar alle spullen zijn inmiddels verkocht en de heren waren bij het filmen al enigszins op leeftijd. En idd prima velgen onder de Alfa.
Ik weet het dat ze niet meer bestaan! Was echt een genot om naar te kijken. Vooral het volledig doorgesleten blad van de werktafel van het ronddraaien van de velg, vond ik prachtig en is in je filmpje prima te zien. Een mooie alfa trouwens!!
That was cool to watch. They made it look easy
A big salute 4 this team.
Shout out to all the welders and machinists of the world ...
Craftsmanship at its best....old school ,,, just like grandpa
I did that with a pair of VW wheels for a dune buggy but added a 6 inch ring to run 11 wide inch tires. I just tacked the ring on then rolled it on the garage floor & had a bead just like those.
These guys are bad to the bone. Top notch skill and the ability to hold his hand so close to where the other fella is tacking is amazing 👍. Most times I tack things together without a helmet I get "sunburn" ha ha ha but seems these guys are impervious to all that radiation truly old school.
Those look like mig welds. Stick welding with a big stogie! True old school craftsmen.
Me saco el sombrero ante el tipo que suelda!!!! increible!!!!!
Trabajan muy bien .....con un estilo muy técnico y bien hecho.........lo único malo que el señor de más edad no se cubre las manos del calor de la soldadura ni para su cara.....👌
How do I get to work with you guys? I REALLY want to learn from you guys!
Please upvote this comment so they see it, and hopefully respond.
🔝
This makes me really proud to be Dutch
Holy crap, with a stick welder. Mad props.
these old boys have it down pat .. nice work ..
Excellent old school craftsmanship at its finest
I saw him True the wheels dynamically .
But , I'm curious as to if they will balance both
dynamically & statically ?
Fine work gentlemen !
I was blessed to learn with gas and a buzzbox many years ago 😎
I just love watching these two old schol pros. Total respect. What do you reckon one could learn from them in a day. Makes me feel kind of sad for my generation with all its over regulated bull shit not to mention totally hopeless for my kids generation who dont know how to wipe their asses or how to get a glass of water .
Recognised the wheels as alfa 105. Nice work.
Klopt, iconen in traditioneel laswerk!
Meu amigo, que coisa linda de se ver. Conseguir fazer um cordão bonito desse usando eletrodo, é para poucos.
Wow....
Your welding skill is awesome
Alas, the dying art of BODGING!! Hands like Fibreglass, Eyes like ****holes in the snow. Could have bought a set already the right size for £40 ... Still, you gotta love 'em ;)
£40? really? From where? I'd love a set of steels the exact right size I wanted for £10 each, sadly I have got to pay £275+VAT each +shipping, that's a tad over £2k for 5 rims.
Never mind, in my dreams Pamela Anderson is still hot too brah.
Dit waren de heren de Vries en van der Mik uit Vinkeveen.
Crosby Stills Nash and Young on the radio....Classic Rock Rules!
Them old codgers do good work
really they do team work. Awsome!
That guy sure knows how to lay a bead!
two men as a man.Great old guys.
The welder never loses his cigar!!!
Gotta love 6011 rod these guys are masters
Awesome video
Mooi om te zien dit en nog elektrode ook
Thanks camera man, now I’ve got arc burn to my eyes!!
Respect to the old craftsmen.
Geniuses! Masters of The Wheel!
I think I got flash burn after watching this...
Was thinking same thing. Lol
Now I must learn welding while smoking a cigar just because.
Love it :o) Stick as well, just like when I were a kid.
skills like this are becoming a thing of the past...
Old people knows better? Totally agree!
Old is gold.. 👍
Заменить сигару на сигарету и получится русский дядя Вася из гаража, занимающийся хернёй. Думал только у нас "разварки" делают
Все что делают в рашке пришло от туда .
No talk. Just do.
Cavi Mihdjk
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puro abuelo rudo. mi respeto. se ven muy apacionado con lo que hacen y tienen abilidad y un fin de
semana tomar cerveza y hablar de autos
Eyes are more precise then vaniyar caliper..
Hands are strong and accurate then any C laps .. welding technic is fine no need of technology.. true masters of iron .
Damn good show! Complete respect
When it was a art with hand tools great welds
I watched it twice!
50 YRS ago,as an apprentice I split wheels like this and the welder rolled a complete band and welded the ends first before welding it into the rim,same result,today the vehicle licensing authorities would shit nails if they saw it.
Yep. Today you replace the rims intact (made to the required width, not extended) but retain the original center.
Of course the rim/center must be welded by a certified welder.
Oh boy, if you do this here in Germany or in France you'll loose insurance & it's direct way to the jail !
Anyway it's a good job!
Holland, it's still legal to do cool shit there ;-)
But why would you tell anyone you did it
Russian pepole strong
"There's no bullshit here....no useless talking...I'm not gonna tell you when ta cover your damn eyes....I have a frigg'n welder here...when the stick gets close to the metal, LOOK AWAY dumb ass and don't cry about it...." at least that's what I heard in my head when I watched it...lol.
thanks very much, and good luck with the Spider