Have you guys ever tried making a car an all wheel drive by attaching a bar to the front wheel and back to the rear wheel? Sort of like a locamotive! Lol
I would have spaced out some bolts inside the tire to hold the rubber granules instead of welding steel rebar into it. That would be a weight-saving measure. The layer could also be thinner like a run-flat tire would be to save even more weight. I bet that you could have it come close to the weight of a similar run-flat tire, which would improve the acceleration. This added weight from the rebar and size of the tire is what I feel was preventing you from getting the rear wheels to spin more freely. You can also try welding some shapes into your molds to give the tires tread patterns!
The thought behind the bolts is that welding bolts along the inside provides just as much or more surface area for the granules to grab onto as the rebar, providing the same sort of retention that the rebar was meant to give.
The dynamics of a spinning wheel wouldn't find that configuration useful. The crossing over is what helps keep it in place. It would just separate from studs.
I respectfully disagree. The spinning of the wheel didn't separate any of the rubber compound at all, even in the areas between the rebar where there was no support whatsoever. If your theory about spinning dynamics were true, we would have seen delamination to some degree. But I suppose neither of us will know until it's tested, hm?
@@orellh.1836 The smaller the spans between the "bars", the more it will hold itself together, at the expense of more weight of course. Within reason at that lol. At some point, you'll have nothing but steel packed with a little rubber and the strength of the rubber will actually decrease. I don't recall exactly now but what were there, 6 per wheel? 60 deg, carry the 2... 7 or 8 inches between bars at the surface of the tire, give or take. Forgive me, I'm not bothering with real math. Point is, take that and have only 2... 180 degrees apart obviously... and check out the results. To challenge it even making it out of the garage, take them all away. Radial rods would help in imparting torque somewhat, in a manner not very different from the handful of bars... but the simple rods would not provide any real radial stability, and unless there's something special going on at the interface between the "tire" and the rods, the voids in the rubber that the rods pass thru will actually have a detrimental effect instead, by being the cause of "holes" in the composite rubber structure. The constantly changing radial forces as the wheel rotates would only amplify the result as well. Then the moment there's any speed... It really wouldn't be all that long at all before you were running on the ends of the rods because with a material like the aggregate tire there, they will drill themselves thru the circumference in no time flat, and the deformations will shred it, even quicker with any real torque. All of its "action" is limited to the furthest it reaches out into the tire. Remember, the tire material is an aggregate composite much like concrete, only a bit more flexible. It will still break and crumble, unlike a proper molded rubber tire. The crossover mitigates this by "dividing" the forces and shielding parts of the bulk tire from stresses, allowing the bond to remain intact on both the back side of the cross bar and also at the hub of the rim. It also restrains centrifugal forces and controls them by keeping the "free mass" to thinner sections of the tire (above each bar), which translates into lower centrifugal forces acting on the interfaces where the cross bar meets the rubber mixture, improving stability on the outer side of the bars as well. This will be countered some by the forces where the contact patch is, but the weight doesn't propagate thru all of the rubber, just the part between the patch and the bars as they go by. The reinforced and non-reinforced areas work something as a team to spread out and control excessive forces within the structure. The result of all of this combined is a much stronger overall tire. All of this said, I don't think either one is really a real world solution of any kind... but if you want the most longevity, more stability is better, and the crossing bar structure provides just that. Might be useful for a supercharged "power wheels" or something. 🤣🤷♂️
Those provide way more grip on snow and ice than I would have thought without tread. Even my tires with tread slide on ice without too much problem so this is actually quite impressive.
that could be fun to see how these tyres behave on a dry pavement during summer (obviously without the studs and well balanced) and: pedal to the metal
Been feeling down and just jumped into one of these vids for the first time in a while - man this is a breath of fresh air just some silly car stuff and people having clean fun
Glad to see this idea brought to life! I commented about this concept in the previous video, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one. I'd like to see these tires tested again in the summer!
These are just essentially forklift tires for your car. And the reason you have solid tires on a forklift is to balance the load on the forks. But if there's any deviations or imperfections in the surface The transfer is exponential to the forks. But you can't have any kind of compromise to the tires because that would be dangerous on a forklift.
You should also make the grooves on the surface, and not just a smooth tire. The grooves are important when you drive over a wet surface (not ice), and you did not test the wheels under these conditions.
Insert a tread mold ring made from from a real tire into the barrels around the inside edge then fill it in with the rubber compound so the tread is molded into the outer surface of the tire. So get a good tire spray it with alcohol and vegetable oil as a mold release then paint on several layers of silicon rubber. Peel that off re-apply your mold release, pack it full of you rubber pellet and glue compound then insert that into your barrel mold and fill in the area between the rim and your tread mold with compound when dry remove from the barrels and peel off your tread mold. Or you can use a router to cut treads into your tire after they dry.
i like them and i kind of want a set. i think with a more precision production set up it could even be possible to give them some tread and better balance. it's a bit funny actually because i believe that the rubber comes from recycled tires, so this might be the only way to recycle old tires into new tires.
I would have liked to have seen a tread pattern on the tires. Maybe you could try that next. And see how different tread patterns tread water away from the tire.
@Garage54ENG #Garage_54 This was a great example of "Just Do It" engineering. It obviously works; kind of heavy, but will never get a blow out. These would be fantastic "Shuffle Wheels" for cars that need to be moved around, but don't warrant a new set of tires. A Next-Stage Idea for this Build: Off Road Version for the Log Truck 👍 +++ Это был отличный пример инженерного подхода «Просто сделай это». Очевидно, это работает; довольно тяжелый, но никогда не выйдет из строя. Это были бы фантастические «Shuffle Wheels» для автомобилей, которые необходимо передвигать, но которые не требуют установки нового комплекта шин. Идея следующего этапа этой сборки: внедорожная версия лесовоза. 👍
you've got to do this again in the summer time.
I wish they will...
I was thinking about this too
Yep, I want to see a proper burnout with these. 😂
Imagine this on a track they must have hella grip
In mother russia there is no summer time, only less cold winter😂
Cool , need to re test them in the summer on dry blacktop/ concrete see how they perform 👍🏻
I’d love to see a high speed test to see if they stay together
They will melt in the heat. But the winter application this is cool. 😂
They would most likely be very grippy but wear out incredibly fast.
Have you guys ever tried making a car an all wheel drive by attaching a bar to the front wheel and back to the rear wheel? Sort of like a locamotive! Lol
@@kirbyloulewis3826 you wouldn’t be able to turn
That's the nicest set of 167/58R13 Ive ever seen
I am 107% pleasantly surprised!
i thought it would blow apart once it hit over 60
That is joke about the Czech president who has IQ only 107.
Could fill regular tires with that mix and have a super-durable flat-proof tire, tho the ride would be a bit macho. Might be good for back roads, tho.
i was thinking exactly the same!!!
Trust me the grip is terrible. You’ll understeer to death
And you would flat spot them quite easily in case your wheels lock.
@@2seep Not really a highway tire, yeah. But on dirt roads? Might be interesting to try.
I agree that they should stuff the granules into standard tyres. Drive on Tarmac - see what happens.
Those held up SIGNIFICANTLY better than I was expecting. I would've thought the adhesive wouldn't have been enough to hold the tire together
I think the footage shot by the drone was FANTASTIC !!!
First time I've ever seen a car used as a Spirograph. :D
@@Reziac Indeed !!!!
Racing slicks....
Racing slicks for a forklift
Nice! Worked good.
Love the tire writing!
Try it out in the summer please
I would have spaced out some bolts inside the tire to hold the rubber granules instead of welding steel rebar into it. That would be a weight-saving measure. The layer could also be thinner like a run-flat tire would be to save even more weight. I bet that you could have it come close to the weight of a similar run-flat tire, which would improve the acceleration. This added weight from the rebar and size of the tire is what I feel was preventing you from getting the rear wheels to spin more freely.
You can also try welding some shapes into your molds to give the tires tread patterns!
The thought behind the bolts is that welding bolts along the inside provides just as much or more surface area for the granules to grab onto as the rebar, providing the same sort of retention that the rebar was meant to give.
The dynamics of a spinning wheel wouldn't find that configuration useful. The crossing over is what helps keep it in place. It would just separate from studs.
I respectfully disagree. The spinning of the wheel didn't separate any of the rubber compound at all, even in the areas between the rebar where there was no support whatsoever. If your theory about spinning dynamics were true, we would have seen delamination to some degree. But I suppose neither of us will know until it's tested, hm?
Well to be fair too the Lada is not exactly a powerful car either. It was a cheap functional car with a small engine.
@@orellh.1836 The smaller the spans between the "bars", the more it will hold itself together, at the expense of more weight of course. Within reason at that lol. At some point, you'll have nothing but steel packed with a little rubber and the strength of the rubber will actually decrease.
I don't recall exactly now but what were there, 6 per wheel? 60 deg, carry the 2... 7 or 8 inches between bars at the surface of the tire, give or take. Forgive me, I'm not bothering with real math.
Point is, take that and have only 2... 180 degrees apart obviously... and check out the results.
To challenge it even making it out of the garage, take them all away.
Radial rods would help in imparting torque somewhat, in a manner not very different from the handful of bars... but the simple rods would not provide any real radial stability, and unless there's something special going on at the interface between the "tire" and the rods, the voids in the rubber that the rods pass thru will actually have a detrimental effect instead, by being the cause of "holes" in the composite rubber structure. The constantly changing radial forces as the wheel rotates would only amplify the result as well. Then the moment there's any speed... It really wouldn't be all that long at all before you were running on the ends of the rods because with a material like the aggregate tire there, they will drill themselves thru the circumference in no time flat, and the deformations will shred it, even quicker with any real torque. All of its "action" is limited to the furthest it reaches out into the tire. Remember, the tire material is an aggregate composite much like concrete, only a bit more flexible. It will still break and crumble, unlike a proper molded rubber tire.
The crossover mitigates this by "dividing" the forces and shielding parts of the bulk tire from stresses, allowing the bond to remain intact on both the back side of the cross bar and also at the hub of the rim. It also restrains centrifugal forces and controls them by keeping the "free mass" to thinner sections of the tire (above each bar), which translates into lower centrifugal forces acting on the interfaces where the cross bar meets the rubber mixture, improving stability on the outer side of the bars as well. This will be countered some by the forces where the contact patch is, but the weight doesn't propagate thru all of the rubber, just the part between the patch and the bars as they go by. The reinforced and non-reinforced areas work something as a team to spread out and control excessive forces within the structure.
The result of all of this combined is a much stronger overall tire.
All of this said, I don't think either one is really a real world solution of any kind... but if you want the most longevity, more stability is better, and the crossing bar structure provides just that. Might be useful for a supercharged "power wheels" or something. 🤣🤷♂️
Those provide way more grip on snow and ice than I would have thought without tread. Even my tires with tread slide on ice without too much problem so this is actually quite impressive.
that could be fun to see how these tyres behave on a dry pavement during summer (obviously without the studs and well balanced) and: pedal to the metal
aw hot summer pavement they will blow apart probably.
or rim would separate from the crumb and do a burn out inside of the tire,
@@homelessEh I am thinking I need to make 2 of these for temporary winter tires. You can add and remove tapcons for studs as needed lol.
@@homelessEhrims can't spin inside the rubber. They welded rebars in there
Which was frankly a great idea to prevent exactly that
12:18 "So lets see how these behave in regular city driving conditions" Also Vlad at 12:33. Never change!!!
I'd like to see them on tarmac.
Been feeling down and just jumped into one of these vids for the first time in a while - man this is a breath of fresh air just some silly car stuff and people having clean fun
Impressive! It would be nice to add a rubber track layer to those tires, and test them in the sand... Greetings from Ottawa.
Great stuff. More testing!
Glad to see this idea brought to life! I commented about this concept in the previous video, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one.
I'd like to see these tires tested again in the summer!
Great demonstration!
I love this channel. You guys have the best ideas.
Great project. The music overall is really great. I love the Rock + electronic.
One of the best executed experiments ever! Good job guys!
Try it as replacement low profile tyres! Use a set of 17 Inch and do it this summer! Love this channel!
That worked so much better than I thought it would! Very fun episode!!
Looking pretty good. Now form them on the lathe, bond some retreads on, and balance them and test them this summer.
That was very awesome. You guys are so clever. Love this channel. 👍
I love these crazy SOB's
These are just essentially forklift tires for your car. And the reason you have solid tires on a forklift is to balance the load on the forks. But if there's any deviations or imperfections in the surface The transfer is exponential to the forks. But you can't have any kind of compromise to the tires because that would be dangerous on a forklift.
I swear you come up with everything I have thought of but haven't done. Time to start doing!
You should also make the grooves on the surface, and not just a smooth tire. The grooves are important when you drive over a wet surface (not ice), and you did not test the wheels under these conditions.
Stay warm and safe my friends. Great video.
Theyd make amazing burnout tires XD they would never pop
My remote control car uses foam tires lol. They look exactly like those tires you made.
Now fill regular tires with this product.
Great content 😃, looks like the tyres are good.
I expect they wear out quickly in summer. Regular tires are surprisingly well reinforced
this is my favorite type of channel- crazy creativity NOT crazy destruction of valuable things
Id love to see you guys do this with a tread design, really put the concept to the test for better traction
Great results! Really ☺
Bad ass!!! Well done
Vlad! Make some treads on them
Cool project guys. One of your most practical experiments. Ya'll should've spun and trued up the outer diameter.👍
This was awesome. You’re the coolest. Retest in the summer.
I'm surprised that it works. But then most of what you all do does just that now as others said test them in the summer ☀️ too. Keep it up 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Great video!
Insert a tread mold ring made from from a real tire into the barrels around the inside edge then fill it in with the rubber compound so the tread is molded into the outer surface of the tire. So get a good tire spray it with alcohol and vegetable oil as a mold release then paint on several layers of silicon rubber. Peel that off re-apply your mold release, pack it full of you rubber pellet and glue compound then insert that into your barrel mold and fill in the area between the rim and your tread mold with compound when dry remove from the barrels and peel off your tread mold. Or you can use a router to cut treads into your tire after they dry.
Great Video !!
Wow, that's completely amazing, I wonder if I can try this on my mobility scooter.
Super freaking awesome 👌
Amazing idea more of these tire ideas
You guys never disappoint, even with the voiceover.👌
This lada wagon is looking really nice.
we want a burnout till failure lol great job that worked very well.... maybe add it to the braking distance test you guys did last year
That is awesome! It would be intresting to se how they hold up on dry tarmac :)
That work pretty good
You could make the tire much smaller, like a super low profile tire to minimize weight.
Thank you.
Just in TIME!
Love the scales😂
That's Pretty Awesome!👍
Love your videos!
Should make some of these again in the summer, and maybe try cutting a tread pattern to improve performance in wet weather.
You’re always doing such awesome ideas.
Now that was very impressive!👏👏👏👏👌😎👍I thought they were going to fall apart!
Awesome job! Would be cool to see how they react to dry pavement when it is warmer outside
Cool testing! Try foam like RC car racing foams. Unbelievable light weight, great traction, can spin hyper speed. I believe awesome in snow too
i like them and i kind of want a set. i think with a more precision production set up it could even be possible to give them some tread and better balance. it's a bit funny actually because i believe that the rubber comes from recycled tires, so this might be the only way to recycle old tires into new tires.
I'm sure the boys on drift channel are paying attention and have some ideas for their summer fun with these :D Plenty of "rubber" to drift with :D
These guys would do wonders making innovations for a Formula 1 car
erm ... i don't know... maybe formula drift not formula 1 xD... formula 1 cars are kinda similar to a car but not exactly the same...
@@MsTatakai erm nerd emoji
@@luukvanoijen7082 i meant this "
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They already put two steer, axles 4 front tires. It was banned tho bc it worked too well. They weren't garage 54 back then tho
I wonder how well these wheels would do as drift wheels. Just chuck a pair on the rear and you should have plenty of rubber to burn XD
I think that's a thing just with other materials
@@-aid4084 i only know of these coloured drift wheels that make coloured smoke 😂
I have been thinking about this since I was a kid!
my day just got 107% better !
can't wait to see how they perform on dry, even in summer heat :D
Try a burn-out in the summer. You might get a different result.🚗
Next time, fill in a bunch of tiny air bags for lighter wheels ... even if they deflate, the air bag formation will remain.
Try this with tread and/or in summer please! Warmer means softer ride and more grip!
You guys are awesome 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Very good tires
You guys are so AWESOME!! I'm a big fan. Love you Russian Brethren. Love from the US👍
Please test this again in the summer
The camera you use is probably the best quality ive ever seen
I want that wagon.
I would have liked to have seen a tread pattern on the tires. Maybe you could try that next. And see how different tread patterns tread water away from the tire.
would love to see how a tire like that performs on a dragstrip!
You guys should made a video of restoring that thing!
That Lada wagon is wonderful. You guys should restore it, it’s early and fairly clean?
nice snow slicks guys. wonder if road pitch would work
Turf covered car looks epic!
I wonder would they hold together in the summer heat & acan you drift with em like on the ice, looks fun.
Your tire mixture looks suspiciously like fresh asphalt
Tose would be great to test on asphalt when no snow.
Wow, nice method to recycle old tires. Especially in vehicles such as construction equipment and trucks. And easy and perfect for military vehicles
Burnout tries should make a good smoke show
Give a Lada crazy suspension travel like a Cross Kart to get through deep snow and take jumps
I think if you made a two layer tire sponge layer next to the wheel would improve the ride quality
good post
@Garage54ENG #Garage_54
This was a great example of "Just Do It" engineering. It obviously works; kind of heavy, but will never get a blow out.
These would be fantastic "Shuffle Wheels" for cars that need to be moved around, but don't warrant a new set of tires.
A Next-Stage Idea for this Build: Off Road Version for the Log Truck 👍
+++
Это был отличный пример инженерного подхода «Просто сделай это». Очевидно, это работает; довольно тяжелый, но никогда не выйдет из строя.
Это были бы фантастические «Shuffle Wheels» для автомобилей, которые необходимо передвигать, но которые не требуют установки нового комплекта шин.
Идея следующего этапа этой сборки: внедорожная версия лесовоза. 👍
That’s awesome
could you convert a pushrod ohv head lada to individual head per cylinder like the komatsu 6d125?