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1970s BOY SCOUTS PROMO "A LOT MORE THAN YOU THINK" VULNERABLE YOUTH ANTI-DRUG FILM XD14784

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.พ. 2022
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    This Boy Scouts promo film "Boy Scouts...A Lot More Than You Think" was created by producer/writer Rift Fournier and Dean Crebbin. The movie is a veritable time capsule of the sociological stresses and the opportunities of the 1970's as reflected in Scouting, and it's countercultural pedigree is reinforced by an experimental, montage style. The first half of the film depicts Boy Scout organizing in underserved / endangered Black, Latino and Appalachian communities in which poverty is the common denominator, as well as a Scout group serving boys with disabilities. It then proceeds to describe the ways that Scouting encourages self development, and has incorporated aspects of council democracy. The film also describes the Scout's environmental activism, efforts in computing, and the pursuit of "natural highs" other than drugs. (TRT 21:58)
    (0:10) Boy Scouts hike through an autumnal forest. The film will be an exposition of the ways Scouting helps boys to prepare for life. (0:38) A speedy montage of scouting activities: boxing, repairing and riding bicycles, building wooden structures. A song pleads: "Who's gonna tell them about the pusher man?" (1:24) Title "...a lot more than you think. A film by Rift Fournier, Dean Crebbin" (1:26) A scout leader describes the introduction of street-corner scouting program in Houston's "sprawling inner city", an African American community (2:28) The kids engage in a supervised boxing match. The leader describes boxing as a way to resolve fights (3:34) A winter view of a mountainous Appalachian road near Logan, West Virginia. A classroom interior, children seated in rows - "In-school scouting" is described as a way to reach isolated rural communities where the school is the only feasible gathering place. (4:10) Scouts tying square knots and praying in a circle (5:16) A playground in Ramona Gardens, a housing project in East Los Angeles described as "80% Chicano". Alma Rendon describes her resistance to introducing Scouting, which she saw as a middle class activity, to this impoverished area. (5:45) Scouts wrap meat and potatoes in tinfoil to grill (6:55) Scouts with disabilities construct a "teepee" campfire. "Presently there are 50,000 handicapped scouts" (8:10) A Scout and Scout Leader discuss a "personal growth agreement," a contractual document designed to support individual decision making. (10:11) A "computer merit badge" earned by punching someone's name into a computer punch card. "New merit badges include sports, atomic energy, space exploration, environmental science." Punch cards are loaded, and a roster of the troop members is printed out (11:30) In a "progress advancement" a scout is interrogated and judged by a panel of boys from his troop, seated around a small table. The scout is deemed worthy. (13:14) Scouts paint a playground, a service activity decided by a Scout-led "troop leader's council" (14:22) The "leadership corps" deliberates how to teach a younger group of Scouts. This group can be joined when a scout reaches the age of 14. At that age the scout can also "move on into exploring."(15:38) A Scout Leader teaches younger scouts in lashing rope together to make a frame (26:33) Bags of recyclable materials are pulled out a car trunk during "Keep America Beautiful Day," an activity forming part of "Project S.O.A.R. - Save Our American Resources." This involves litter cleanup and environmental education. (17:16) A Mason jar is dipped into the waters of Rock Creek in Washington, D.C. The water sample is shown to exhibit evidence of pollution. (18:07) Scouts sitting in a circle, accompanied by parents. A Scout describes a classmate attempting to inject tap water into his arm, as part of Operation Reach in Des Moines, Iowa, in which Scouts discuss drug use. The program encourages students to "seek natural highs" (21:00) The Scouts hike through the forest. The narrator argues that potential Scouts are missing the opportunity to do so because people think it isn't worth the time. "Presented by Scouting Division, Boy Scouts of America" (21:45) a Toni Ficalora Inc. production.
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  • @SueBobChicVid
    @SueBobChicVid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That kid on the left in the thumbnail (and at 20:30) looks like Finn Wolfhard of Stranger Things. Probably the hairstyle.

    • @jonnydanger7181
      @jonnydanger7181 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The guy at 1:35 looks like Ron Washington former manager of Texas Rangers. He was always on coke.

    • @justanotherguy7925
      @justanotherguy7925 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup and the kid on the right looks like Danny from The Shining -Red Rum! Red Rum!

  • @bobdillards2430
    @bobdillards2430 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They used to beat those boys in the middle of the Forrest with a paddle called the Lover when I was in it. I got out lol

  • @rapman5363
    @rapman5363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Overall the Scouts did great things with a majority of boys. Unfortunately there are members of this organization that did horrific things to many boys. It’s those atrocities that people will remember and puts a huge black mark on the Boy Scouts. I hope and pray those who were subjected to these monsters can heal and lead fulfilling lives.

    • @kellycollier5809
      @kellycollier5809 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We are finally starting to heal and hopefully no boy ever has to endure any abuse again.

    • @bigpop-popsmurf
      @bigpop-popsmurf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you for recognizing the abuse. Good man...

    • @glennwatson3313
      @glennwatson3313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigpop-popsmurf I hope you recognize that he said, "Overall the Scouts did great things with the majority of boys." Good man.

    • @bigpop-popsmurf
      @bigpop-popsmurf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@glennwatson3313 i didn't ask you. You must be a scout master. I see why you defend these animals.

    • @axlewheel6457
      @axlewheel6457 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigpop-popsmurf BSA have been and will always be unsafe for any kids.
      They think implementing all these new regulations will be able to stop these child abusers.
      Once this case lawsuit is finished the BSA Will be finished.

  • @warrenwolf4690
    @warrenwolf4690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you have the promo film from GNYC
    Kool Kat at Ten Mile River

  • @20alphabet
    @20alphabet 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Before the Boy Scouts lost their way.

    • @Instagrump_330
      @Instagrump_330 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      They had already lost their way long before this. I was in Scouts from 5th-8th grade, and I had great experiences because my troop leaders were my dad and my best friend’s dad. I know now a lot of other troops had creepy leaders, but not mine. They do a lot better job of vetting leaders now than they did in the past.

    • @jonnydanger7181
      @jonnydanger7181 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Instagrump_330 do they support Scouts of America?

    • @kaivonnix1100
      @kaivonnix1100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      how did they lose their way?

    • @SeattlePioneer
      @SeattlePioneer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kaivonnix1100
      Scouting is inevitably being feminized by allowing girls into the Cub Scout and Boy Scout programs. Just as an example of that, the Boy Scouts of America no longer exists and there is no Boy Scout program for boys to join. (Boys join "Scouts". There are no longer Boy Scouts)
      That means that the program is no longer optimized for the special needs and interests of boys. Furthermore, mothers will keep pushing to optimize the program for girls at the expense of the needs and interests of boys, and that will inevitably occur as it has wherever females have pushed their way into Male enclaves.
      Feminists always claim that the needs and interests of men and women are the same, but just look at all the changes they want to make to accommodate females once they get in!

    • @SeattlePioneer
      @SeattlePioneer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Instagrump_330
      Get rid of pedophiles? Of course!
      Admit girls to Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts? A huge loss for boys in my view.
      Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts were optimized for the needs, interests and abilities of boys.
      Now Scouting will be optimized for the needs, interests and abilities of girls to the disadvantage of boys.
      Women can understand that when transgender "women " compete with actual women in sports.
      Scouting has done a good job of getting pedophiles out in recent years. The next batch of lawsuits will be about older Male Scouts taking sexual advantage of young female scouts. That will be a lot harder to stop.
      I left Scouting in 2018 after 37 years as an adult Scout leader. I knew something about the special needs and interests of boys, but not of girls.
      And I did not want to expose myself to the risks of being around girls. All too easy to make charges against men.
      And finally, I expect that it will be very difficult at best to keep girls and boys from being sexually involved in a Scouting program. That can be expected to produce a lot of lawsuits and I wouldn't care to try to police that.

  • @jonathanmol4489
    @jonathanmol4489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I went from Cub scout to Webelow and boy scouts
    My treasurer was gay and one of the assistant scouts masters was gay. Nothing happened as far as I know.
    I know the BSA is involved in sexual abuse with leaders.
    The principles are wonderful, the leaders can be dreadful!

    • @david-rl2xx
      @david-rl2xx ปีที่แล้ว

      why are you connecting gay with abuse?

    • @jonathanmol4489
      @jonathanmol4489 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@david-rl2xx I'm so sorry 🙏 I hurt your feelings I just assumed whenever a scout leader rapes a teenager in the woods, thats gay.

    • @edwhite7475
      @edwhite7475 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@david-rl2xxbecause 'straight' men would not participate in gay sex with any age males.
      Why are you defending predators?

    • @SurvivingScouting
      @SurvivingScouting 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Churches have the most Child Sex Abuse Survivors of 82,209 in @boyscouts $2.46 Billion bankruptcy. Pastors & priests use the fear of god & hell to exploit children to where they don’t report for decades if ever!

  • @RIXRADvidz
    @RIXRADvidz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Boy Scouts in the 70's. Went on a 'Camporee'', mini Jamboree, with a bunch of the local troops, our troop had fire duty the first night, my scoutmaster had me stay behind to be sure the fire was fully extinguished, he said a method was to urinate on it, and as I stood there hydrating the fire, my scout master knelt in front of me and told me to pee on him. My first 'Golden Showers' experience. Boy Scouts really does teach you about life. When after 6 weeks I had yet to get a uniform, we were poor and didn't have the money, I was asked to leave. I kept that story to myself because I know what HE DID was wrong, not me. Like the Baptist minister that fingered me in the bathroom when I was 6 years old, a few weeks later my mother was told not to allow her children to attend their Vacation Bible School. Pedos projecting their sins on to their victims. Demonizing the child abused.

    • @grimfantastic1764
      @grimfantastic1764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had an amazing childhood.. i went to 1000 of these groups for kids in the uk.. never ever got touched by an adult.. Im so very sorry that you had to go through the ordeals you did.. I guess it really is the luck of the draw.. and u seem to have been incredibly unlucky.. it does occur to me tho.. if i was very lucky.. and u not so much.. there must be others out there worse than yourself.. I guess the best we can do is protect our OWN little corner of the universe.. mainly with the skills and lessons we learn from life.. for instance.. to try and put a positive (if such a thing there is) spin on this.. im sure that none of ur children would ever be the victims of these monsters because u KNOW the tragic realism that evil exists within men AND women.. and thus would be on guard a lot more than the average person.. again.. its little comfort .. but i guess we have to shine some kind of light onto these situations.. if they live in the dark they will continue to be acted upon IN THE DARK!! So thank you for sharing with us.. Just thought it would be nice to let u know people are reading what u have written..

    • @chriscronice7690
      @chriscronice7690 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was in boy scouts in 1976 and was molested I kept it a secret cuz back in the seventies you didn't tell anyone the parents always said that adults are right and that you were making things up then you would get a whooping or in my case a beating I was taught to always do what the adult says I wanted it so badly to be a scout so I joined 1975 through 78 everything was fun went on scout trips or taught how to tie knots and get badges I had a lot of friends but one night the scout leader told me to come to his tent I noticed a lot of other boys were doing the same thing so I thought it was just something that everybody was doing so I went to his tent he asked me if I've ever been touched he need to check me for ticks and chiggers and he started playing for my private parts then he put his mouth on it and it was my first sexual experience and he told me if I told anyone that he would tell him that I was lying this went on for about two and a half years and then I joined the military to get away from everything and I live with this until 20 20 when the case was brought up and I I contacted the lawyer in the case I'm 59 years old and I want everybody to know the truth now my wife's never known it my mother's never known it I kept it deep inside for over 40 years blaming myself no amount of money will ever make up for it nothing could give me back those years of my childhood it took me this long to finally start talking about it cuz believe me I did not want to talk about it back in the seventies the worst thing you could be was gay that was not accepted and I was not gay but he made me feel dirty and scared now it's my turn to speak out.

    • @axlewheel6457
      @axlewheel6457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@chriscronice7690 I told my story to my school teacher who was a nun and she beat my hands with the pointer for lying. The next day my mom was arrested for assault on the nun
      My days of private school and scouting was over but the memories never left
      Now as a grown man with grandkids I'm reliving all this over again because I joined up with this case lawsuit.
      Honestly no money will ever fix my pride.

    • @SurvivingScouting
      @SurvivingScouting 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you for sharing. Please know you are not alone. We are a united group of BSA CSA Survivors. If you're interested please send us a message.

  • @slackdaddy1912
    @slackdaddy1912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Scouting was good for everyone! You really learn how to survive. People advertise nationwide to find abuses so lawyers can make money. There’s a reason for a statute of limitations, and I believe most cases are bogus!

    • @lawnpro979
      @lawnpro979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      you couldn't be MORE WRONG!

    • @axlewheel6457
      @axlewheel6457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If you ever had a grown man laying on top of 4 kids all striped naked learning how to survive during a training session you wouldn't be making your comments.

    • @slackdaddy1912
      @slackdaddy1912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@axlewheel6457……….. where did you get that story? I doubt it!

    • @axlewheel6457
      @axlewheel6457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You could keep defending these child molesters but it will never change the story's scouts have about being abused.

    • @axlewheel6457
      @axlewheel6457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Your comment makes me wonder what was your part with the BSA!!!
      RU One of the people who had their way with the boys?
      Over 80k different stories and you say these stories a false makes me wonder about you.

  • @lawnpro979
    @lawnpro979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    it's a Shame, what the men did to these Children, most will never see 1 day in jail, and the survivors, Only penne's on the dollar, For an entire LIFE!

    • @bigpop-popsmurf
      @bigpop-popsmurf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you

    • @lawnpro979
      @lawnpro979 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@bigpop-popsmurf No, thank you! I am a survivor.

    • @bigpop-popsmurf
      @bigpop-popsmurf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lawnpro979 they are anticipating MAYBE $3,000 for all the pain we endured. Its never been about money for me but for the Bill ill be intruding to Congress to Law to ACTUALLY PROTECT CHILDREN FROM THESE ANIMALS, but money is all they understand and then you have scumbags like AIS (ABUSED IN SCOUTING) attorneys who's cornered the market charging 43% of the money each survivor/victim receives. These low life attorneys at AIS can't even agree with the terms and then you get this waste of life Timothy Kosnoff who tells the victim/survivors how to vote. A privileged entitled prick you want to slap because for some reason he THINKS what he says should be done.
      You be well and allow your heart to guide you. No one ever needed the BSA. It was just the fashionable thing to do. I only wish I could watch all those who were involved in my suffering, burn in hell.
      Search for Johnny Austin Boy Scouts of America and you'll see my interviews on USA TODAY, MSN NEWS, YAHOO NEWS, NY DAILY NEWS. I'm going toe to toe with these worthless shits and not pulling any punches. It's no holds barred for me plus I have something soon to be released that will send a message you'll be proud to watch. My scout leader and his worthless eagle scout son are both dead. Leader from emphysema and his 60 year old son was violently killed and burned to death in a car accident when he drove DUI in the Poconos, Pennsylvania just 4 years ago. Where are the marshmallows when you need them. The last 2 of the 4 main players of my suffering, one died in prison while serving a life sentence for aggravated felony murder and his younger brother was killed on a drug deal gone bad. Troop 94 of Egg Harbor Twp, NJ. is and was filled with the lowest, worst, criminals you ever met. These animals thought hard and long on torturing myself and my useless parents did not want to cause issue as they were new to the area and whistle blowing would have meant they would have to answer for their neglect. A lawsuit was filed by my mother figure in an attempt to silence me but a judge threw it out of court. I'll never be silent ever again and will name every single person as I have without thought or consideration. Not even at the scoutmasters and sons immediate family's request saying I MUST respect the dead. F*ck that. Now they will know what pain is. Their son, father, grandfather, whatever were F*CKING MONSTERS. TOM NEWKIRK, TOM NEWKIRK JR. DENNIS PURNA AND HIS WORTHLESS BROTHER.

    • @axlewheel6457
      @axlewheel6457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bigpop-popsmurf I been getting updates about every townhall meeting.
      The reason the lawyers are asking to vote yes is because once the judge makes her ruling this month, this will open the door for lawyers to sue 6 more insurance companies plus 15 urge park's that belongings to BSA
      This $3500 offer was from the scouts and was turned down.
      Survivors will get 50x or more plus the main thing the BSA will be finished
      PS I'm not against anything you're saying. I'm a survivor from 1962. I was in 2nd grade and going to a catholic school when I became a cub scout. The day I told the nun who was my teacher what took place she beat my hands with the pointer. She told me to stop lying. The church is just as guilty as the BSA.

    • @axlewheel6457
      @axlewheel6457 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lawnpro979 I'm just curious what no thank you means?

  • @axlewheel6457
    @axlewheel6457 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Has any BSA Survivors used the free counseling PROGRAM
    OFFERED?$

    • @SurvivingScouting
      @SurvivingScouting 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      DON'T TRUST THE BSA TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP!

  • @TheUnkBoogie
    @TheUnkBoogie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    A lot more than you think. Ironic in light of all the children abused by people in this organization.

    • @RondelayAOK
      @RondelayAOK 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Public school abuse far more rampant. Few human institutions are perfect.

    • @SurvivingScouting
      @SurvivingScouting 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There are 82,209 @boyscouts Child Sex Abuse Survivors that are Claimants in @boyscouts bankruptcy. BSA will pay less than 10% of the $2.46 Billion settlement (the rest will be paid by insurance & Councils) and pay more to their attorneys than Survivors!

  • @SeattlePioneer
    @SeattlePioneer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    At Scouting's 100th anniversary, the theme was "Enduring Values".
    Now the theme is "The Latest of Liberal Values"
    I was a Cub Scout and Boy Scout Adult leader for 37 years from 1981-2018. I let my membership lapse at the end of 2018. I left when "Boy Scouts of America was abandoned.
    It's a girls program now.
    Boys will increasingly abandon Scouting as girls push their way in, and mothers make their usual demands that the special needs and interests of females be accommodated.
    Consider how women pushed their way into academic and employment. As always, that begins with pleas to "just let us participate." And over time, women demand ever increasing special rights and privileges when they discover that work or academic rigor are not convenient for their needs and interests.
    The same thing is inevitable in Scouting. And lots of boys, especially in Cub Scouts, don't want to be in a program with girls.
    For myself, I joined Scouting as an adult leader in 1981 because I thought I had some understanding about the needs and interests of boys. I make no such claims for understanding the needs and interests of girls.
    Also, being around girls is legally risky for men. All you need is some irate mother to make noisy complaints and you can have a lot of trouble to deal with.
    No thanks.

    • @mb54727
      @mb54727 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My family has been active in scouting for 17 years. My older brother and I are both Eagle Scouts and my dad has been cub or scoutmaster for 7 of those 17 years, just to show that I have a horse in this race.
      The blatant misogyny and ignorance of your comment is a disgrace to the teachings of scouting. It's not worth my time to debate all of your points but I think it is for the best that you decided to not renew your membership because scouting is meant to shape youth for the future and your outdated views have no place in that mission.
      (Also, you should know that they allowed girls into the program not because they were kowtowing to liberal values but because national was strapped for cash after all the lawsuits and the exodus of the LDS Church. Any cursory knowledge of Scouting history will let you know that they have never been on the cutting edge of social politics to think otherwise is ignorant.)

    • @SeattlePioneer
      @SeattlePioneer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mb54727
      Circa 1957, I was a Cub Scout for a few months before quitting. This was in the era of Den Mothers when only women could be den leaders.
      I'm sure the mother who led the den I was in did her best, but she created a program out of her experiences as a woman, which I didn't find of much interest as a boy.
      Decades later when I began rebuilding a Cub pack that was down to one boy, I placed emphasis on building program out of my experiences as a boy and a man, which I think was a distinct improvement over program I saw women developing and presenting.
      Also, my observation was that most Den Leaders were still women. Men usually weren't asked or volunteered to be Den Leaders. So I made a point of inviting men to be Den Leaders and program leaders in general. The only female Den Leader I had was a woman who ASKED to be a Den Leader, which was fine.
      Generally I found that mothers, single mothers in particular, were delighted to have men as Den Leaders and program Leaders in general.
      Having men as program leaders was much more common in Boy Scouts. For that age the experiences of being a boy and man were too clear to be ignored. But they commonly were ignored in Cub Scouts.
      I spent eight years as a Tiger Cub Den Leader, some years leading Tiger Cub dens in two packs.
      I spent a total of 37 years as Scout leader in many different positions and was awarded the Silver Beaver by my council for my efforts.
      Admitting girls to Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts will inevitably result in the feminization of the programs as mothers insist that they incorporate the special needs and interests of girls, which will mean that the special needs and interests of boys will no longer be the prime focus of the programs.
      Perhaps you will remember and appreciate my comments when your own boys enter a feminized Scout program and you find yourself excluded from leadership because of your toxic masculinity. This has commonly been the attitude in Girl Scouts for years.
      Just as an example of that feminization, the name of the program is no longer Boy Scouts of America.
      You are quite correct though that I am now a part of Scouting's past. I encourage you to remain in Scouting for decades to come as an adult leader even without a child of your own in the program. Being an adult Scout leader has been the best part of my life.

    • @RondelayAOK
      @RondelayAOK 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I left too

    • @SurvivingScouting
      @SurvivingScouting 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Churches have the most Child Sex Abuse Survivors of 82,209 in @boyscouts $2.46 Billion bankruptcy. Pastors & priests use the fear of god & hell to exploit children to where they don’t report for decades if ever!

    • @SurvivingScouting
      @SurvivingScouting 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mb54727 When members of an institution don’t give AF children are being r@ped, it’s a god DAMN CULT!

  • @s.jamesdarrin2829
    @s.jamesdarrin2829 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Cub scout boy scout I remember all to familiar

  • @houndogjohnson4013
    @houndogjohnson4013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Scouting should have long ago dropped "webelo" because kids will be kids with taunts like "we blow". Not cool.

    • @SurvivingScouting
      @SurvivingScouting 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There are 82,209 @boyscouts Child Sex Abuse Survivors that are Claimants in @boyscouts bankruptcy. BSA will pay less than 10% of the $2.46 Billion settlement (the rest will be paid by insurance & Councils) and pay more to their attorneys than Survivors!

  • @jeremysteinmeier1701
    @jeremysteinmeier1701 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Boy was it a "whole lot more than you think" back then. Lawsuits wrapping up now. None the less, scouting still needs quality volunteers, a little bit of funding, but it can be a great framework for an urban/ disadvantaged youth program. But it's not the only one. Also no scout says hiking is their favorite part.

    • @SurvivingScouting
      @SurvivingScouting 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      SHUT THEM DOWN! There are 82,209 @boyscouts Child Sex Abuse Survivors that are Claimants in @boyscouts bankruptcy. BSA will pay less than 10% of the $2.46 Billion settlement (the rest will be paid by insurance & Councils) and pay more to their attorneys than Survivors!