GCN+ was about $60 (American) annually. And you also got racing coverage that we didn’t get here in the states. It was a decent deal then, but these prices are astronomical just for documentaries.
TH-cam Premium is fantastic. My job gives me the time to listen to podcasts all day, which invariably come from TH-cam. I can listen all day, no adds and use my phone on other functions if needed. I would go mad with adverts. And I agree that the Premium GCN costs are insane.
Especially when you get music as well. It's £3 more than Spotify for basically Spotify AND ad-free yt... Just don't sign up on an Apple device as theres a 30% markup added by apple.
haha...I an listen to youtube on my phone without ads, or with the screen off without paying for ads. No ad ons (pardon the pun) or special extensions needed.
If youtube didn't take the piss with their ads I'd happily watch them. Instead I've opted to not see any ads. Like a firewall...when you're forced to sit through 2x 30 second ads to watch a 3 minutes youtube video you realise they're taking the piss. I use a browser on my phone without any special ad ons or extensions that removes all ads and lets me play it in the background or with the phone screen off. Just because there is no actual money transaction doesn't mean you aren't being ripped the hell off paying with 'watching ads'.
Thanks to Warner Bros (I got the wrong children's channel) we have this madness. They should have left GCN+ in place and enjoyed the income source. Instead we have this mess.
I've got Premium. I love all your content, but sometimes I don't have the time to listen to the full podcast, so breaking it up into these bite-size pieces is a brilliant move.
In Canada the only service carrying professional cycling live coverage is Flobikes. They charge $50+ per month. GCNs rates are not ridiculous for something you can't get anywhere else IMO.
I was paying $7.99 USD for GCN+ and access to bike races as well. And I believe that is roughly what I pay for Amazon and Netflix. I would have signed up right away for the same price. $14.99 I can't justify. And I think many folks will feel the same. I think they are hurting themselves with that pricing structure.
3:50 - 100% agree. I pay for newspaper subscriptions because I want to support quality journalism not populist clickbait that gets eyes and advertisors. Sometimes that means I have to cut costs elsewhere. There is a tipping point though - FT for example is good quality but a bit too expensive for me. Cycling content is interesting to me but not something I would pay for directly. Indirectly perhaps for example on a streaming platform like BBC, Now, Netflix
I had GCN+ for a year and some of the content was very good. However, most of the cycling coverage was unavailable for where I live in the US, which is why I got the subscription in the first place. It was a total waste in my opinion.
The reason huge youtubers like Linus posts his live streams and podcast on main is that's youtube auto plays them often for account that's has high watch time (sleeping? Afk?). Very profitable according to him
I made the mistake of signing up for the lowest cost GCN plan just to watch the documentaries only to realize you needed the higher priced one. My mistake for not reading though everything. I did however turn around and cancel it minutes later when I realized. The price just simply isn’t worth it. I have also been a TH-cam premium member since the very beginning when it was still TH-cam red and only cost me like $2.99 a month.
Re GCN, is it not that the paid TH-cam side is paying for all of GCN as well and the MTB and Triathlon side too Surely since GCN were sold back to the original CEO etc, surely their ad revenue alone won’t support what remains of their staff. Personally I won’t pay for it but even if you used to pay for GCN+, at least you used to get to watch world cycling coverage. Now you get the documentaries alone of which there are a limited amount Yes their documentaries are very good and I appreciate they won’t be cheap to put together, as you all said, becuase of the staffing that has to be paid for as well. Also what they are charging, TH-cam are taking their cut which doesn’t leave as much. But the £120 extra for a water bottle and a signed book is a joke. But it’s probably the same as people who are happy to pay a tip in a sandwich bar for someone who hands them a sandwich or a coffee. Most people think it takes the p!$$ but some are happy to pay for it. But I can imagine those paying £120 extra will only do so for a year. So it will be interesting to see how things are going in a year
I ise youtube premium because i cannot be assed constantly looking for new adblockers every time youtube tries thier anti adblock nonsense , plus its a 2 in one coz youtube music is also covered by yt subscription so i dont need to pay for a separate app/website
I do have no problem paying for well done, independent shows. But GCN? It's 85% promotion, the same thing over and over again. Same brands everytime, everything is the best thing since the invention of bread ... for 1 month. Then something else comes out on the market and you should absolutely get the newer and better carbon flatulence adjuster MK2.
I’d have paid the same as I paid for the gcn plus app but £12.99 is ripping the arse out of it. I’ve been a TH-cam premium subscriber for years and didn’t know you could lock the screen and still listen so thanks for that!
9:01 It isn't cheaper, TH-cam premium while being a really nice thing especially with TH-cam music being included in it is really expensive, £16.99 a month for individual membership. Netflix costs £4.99/m with adverts and £10.99/m for normal 1080p.
TH-cam premium is £12.99 - the rest is an apple tax for paying through apple pay. Sign up on the website or on an android device where apple aren't adding their cut.
I would never pay that much for documentaries. I used to like to watch GCN, but now it is built in sponsor ads. Recently it was gravel vs mountain bike, it was 1 long ad for their sponsor, some power meter pedals, it was bad
Hi, I am quite new in youtube cycling videos and I dont understand why you talk so often about GCN? I would say that only 20 % of their videos contain some useful information compared to 80 % of your content. So why you keep talking about them (and they never talk about you)?
The original cost of GCN was $60 A YEAR and now it’s more than double that annually to watch the same shite content? Nah mate, they’re taking the piss. I despise Netflix already and I’m not here supporting their yacht purchases.
The prices seem ok tbh. You aren't funding a Netflix style corporation @ GCN. You are giving precious funding and keeping an ongoing production going and giving them the ability to be a viable business and create more content and documentaries going forward. I'd rather give £12.99 to GCN than the wokies at Netflix, Disney and Paramount+.
When you have large number of staff salaries to pay you have to make such decisions, it’s not a cycling charity 😂 soon you will follow similar model everyone here’s is to money if you are saying so then you are lying
Considering money seems to be no object to the presenters when buying bikes, it’s no surprise that they have no concept of how expensive a subscription is for the average viewer.
You have to remember, most of those videos are made to appeal to the audience who has $$$$$ and won’t think twice about putting up 5 figures for a bike. One of their purchases equates to about 5-6 mid range customers.
They don’t buy these bikes (directly). They are gifted them by their sponsors in return for reviews and coverage. Same goes for clothing and all other gears, helmets, headunits etc.
I've lost faith in GCN since they sold out to the American Warner Bros Discovery even though they bought it back. Unfortunately the presenters and staff suffer from poor management decisions. I like Francis' idea of having a "lean" business, sounds like he is passionate about his life in cycling. Too many American companies buying into everything, I'm tired of the American Flag.
GCN+ was about $60 (American) annually. And you also got racing coverage that we didn’t get here in the states. It was a decent deal then, but these prices are astronomical just for documentaries.
TH-cam Premium is fantastic. My job gives me the time to listen to podcasts all day, which invariably come from TH-cam. I can listen all day, no adds and use my phone on other functions if needed. I would go mad with adverts.
And I agree that the Premium GCN costs are insane.
Yep, the family plan is excellent value too 👍
Especially when you get music as well. It's £3 more than Spotify for basically Spotify AND ad-free yt... Just don't sign up on an Apple device as theres a 30% markup added by apple.
And if you’re savvy you can get premium for peanuts.
haha...I an listen to youtube on my phone without ads, or with the screen off without paying for ads. No ad ons (pardon the pun) or special extensions needed.
What kind off job do you have? Sounds chill!
If youtube didn't take the piss with their ads I'd happily watch them. Instead I've opted to not see any ads. Like a firewall...when you're forced to sit through 2x 30 second ads to watch a 3 minutes youtube video you realise they're taking the piss.
I use a browser on my phone without any special ad ons or extensions that removes all ads and lets me play it in the background or with the phone screen off.
Just because there is no actual money transaction doesn't mean you aren't being ripped the hell off paying with 'watching ads'.
Thanks to Warner Bros (I got the wrong children's channel) we have this madness. They should have left GCN+ in place and enjoyed the income source. Instead we have this mess.
GCN+ was under discovery
@@jw3638 Agreed. Actually, Warmer Bros. But the elimination of GCN+ killed a big cash cow and almost killed GCN.
Disney didn't even own GCN+. It was Warner Bros Discovery's.
@@trunghoadang3710 Thanks for the correction.
I've got Premium. I love all your content, but sometimes I don't have the time to listen to the full podcast, so breaking it up into these bite-size pieces is a brilliant move.
Yes Jimmy. I pay for TH-cam Premium. You're welcome.
In Canada the only service carrying professional cycling live coverage is Flobikes. They charge $50+ per month. GCNs rates are not ridiculous for something you can't get anywhere else IMO.
I was paying $7.99 USD for GCN+ and access to bike races as well. And I believe that is roughly what I pay for Amazon and Netflix. I would have signed up right away for the same price. $14.99 I can't justify. And I think many folks will feel the same. I think they are hurting themselves with that pricing structure.
3:50 - 100% agree. I pay for newspaper subscriptions because I want to support quality journalism not populist clickbait that gets eyes and advertisors. Sometimes that means I have to cut costs elsewhere. There is a tipping point though - FT for example is good quality but a bit too expensive for me.
Cycling content is interesting to me but not something I would pay for directly. Indirectly perhaps for example on a streaming platform like BBC, Now, Netflix
Have I not already watched this before 🤔
I used GCN+ till it was discontinued in America. Flobikes is close to 3x as much.
Gcn killed itself , original viewers just like the bare bones old school Jon Cannings videos on how to adjust gears for example.
I had GCN+ for a year and some of the content was very good. However, most of the cycling coverage was unavailable for where I live in the US, which is why I got the subscription in the first place. It was a total waste in my opinion.
The reason huge youtubers like Linus posts his live streams and podcast on main is that's youtube auto plays them often for account that's has high watch time (sleeping? Afk?). Very profitable according to him
Pay for youtube. No way would i pay more for the gcn documentaries
TH-cam premium is better than Netflix for my needs. I’m not going to pay for GCN. Didn’t pay before, though.
£13 a month is £6 more than Discovery+ where I can watch several sports, including bike racing along with kinds of American crap.
On the subject of films you need to consider the value of the cinamic experience that most people can not replicate at home
I made the mistake of signing up for the lowest cost GCN plan just to watch the documentaries only to realize you needed the higher priced one. My mistake for not reading though everything. I did however turn around and cancel it minutes later when I realized. The price just simply isn’t worth it. I have also been a TH-cam premium member since the very beginning when it was still TH-cam red and only cost me like $2.99 a month.
cade media gets idea 😮😂
Re GCN, is it not that the paid TH-cam side is paying for all of GCN as well and the MTB and Triathlon side too
Surely since GCN were sold back to the original CEO etc, surely their ad revenue alone won’t support what remains of their staff.
Personally I won’t pay for it but even if you used to pay for GCN+, at least you used to get to watch world cycling coverage. Now you get the documentaries alone of which there are a limited amount
Yes their documentaries are very good and I appreciate they won’t be cheap to put together, as you all said, becuase of the staffing that has to be paid for as well.
Also what they are charging, TH-cam are taking their cut which doesn’t leave as much.
But the £120 extra for a water bottle and a signed book is a joke.
But it’s probably the same as people who are happy to pay a tip in a sandwich bar for someone who hands them a sandwich or a coffee. Most people think it takes the p!$$ but some are happy to pay for it.
But I can imagine those paying £120 extra will only do so for a year. So it will be interesting to see how things are going in a year
I ise youtube premium because i cannot be assed constantly looking for new adblockers every time youtube tries thier anti adblock nonsense , plus its a 2 in one coz youtube music is also covered by yt subscription so i dont need to pay for a separate app/website
Did you try youtube vanced?
I do have no problem paying for well done, independent shows.
But GCN? It's 85% promotion, the same thing over and over again. Same brands everytime, everything is the best thing since the invention of bread ... for 1 month. Then something else comes out on the market and you should absolutely get the newer and better carbon flatulence adjuster MK2.
Long videos can be lucrative because people fall asleep to them
I’d have paid the same as I paid for the gcn plus app but £12.99 is ripping the arse out of it. I’ve been a TH-cam premium subscriber for years and didn’t know you could lock the screen and still listen so thanks for that!
No repeats please
9:01 It isn't cheaper, TH-cam premium while being a really nice thing especially with TH-cam music being included in it is really expensive, £16.99 a month for individual membership.
Netflix costs £4.99/m with adverts and £10.99/m for normal 1080p.
TH-cam premium is £12.99 - the rest is an apple tax for paying through apple pay. Sign up on the website or on an android device where apple aren't adding their cut.
If you’re smart you can get YTP for barely anything. I pay £1.20 a month
@@NekohiKohi £16.99 is through the Apple App Store right? With Apple's 30% cut added. Buy on the website or an android device and it's £12.99
@@NekohiKohi it's only £16.99 on iPhone. £12.99 via the web or on Android where Apple don't tack on their margin.
@@DnBSkunkif you’re really smart (tube) the. You can get TH-cam with no ads ever for free. Albeit n your tv/streaming box
I would never pay that much for documentaries. I used to like to watch GCN, but now it is built in sponsor ads. Recently it was gravel vs mountain bike, it was 1 long ad for their sponsor, some power meter pedals, it was bad
Hi, I am quite new in youtube cycling videos and I dont understand why you talk so often about GCN? I would say that only 20 % of their videos contain some useful information compared to 80 % of your content. So why you keep talking about them (and they never talk about you)?
TH-cam premium is the only way. No ads.
Nope. SmartTube Extra is the way, no ads
I no longer pay subscriptions. I am back to the old pirate days. F that. I am done supporting all this sh i t companies.
The original cost of GCN was $60 A YEAR and now it’s more than double that annually to watch the same shite content? Nah mate, they’re taking the piss. I despise Netflix already and I’m not here supporting their yacht purchases.
Also remember that probably 95% of all people paid that $60 to be able to watch racing they otherwise wouldn't be able to
The prices seem ok tbh. You aren't funding a Netflix style corporation @ GCN. You are giving precious funding and keeping an ongoing production going and giving them the ability to be a viable business and create more content and documentaries going forward.
I'd rather give £12.99 to GCN than the wokies at Netflix, Disney and Paramount+.
When you have large number of staff salaries to pay you have to make such decisions, it’s not a cycling charity 😂 soon you will follow similar model everyone here’s is to money if you are saying so then you are lying
Shots fired :D lol
Am I crazy or did I listen to this already. Smoke to much I guess
Considering money seems to be no object to the presenters when buying bikes, it’s no surprise that they have no concept of how expensive a subscription is for the average viewer.
You have to remember, most of those videos are made to appeal to the audience who has $$$$$ and won’t think twice about putting up 5 figures for a bike. One of their purchases equates to about 5-6 mid range customers.
They don’t buy these bikes (directly). They are gifted them by their sponsors in return for reviews and coverage. Same goes for clothing and all other gears, helmets, headunits etc.
I've lost faith in GCN since they sold out to the American Warner Bros Discovery even though they bought it back. Unfortunately the presenters and staff suffer from poor management decisions. I like Francis' idea of having a "lean" business, sounds like he is passionate about his life in cycling. Too many American companies buying into everything, I'm tired of the American Flag.
Gcn trying to become the onlyfans of the cycling video community.
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Classic form , excellent execution 9.5/10
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