The GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) For Every Smash Move
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We've done a few different Smash move tier lists on this channel, and looked at the best moves in Ultimate, the worst moves in Ultimate...but what if we thought a bit bigger? Today we're going to be going through EVERY Smash game, from 64 to Melee all the way to Ultimate, and looking for the best moves ever. And we'll do it twice for good measure.
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28:28 "despite such heavy tweaking"
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I didn't see it lol
37:07 In the wise words of CONEY "Tornado is funny cause it turned certain characters *off".* Just the idea of Meta Knight spinning around deciding whether or not you could use a character is hilarious to me.
I’m pretty sure he remembered 37:24 only because of CONEY.
it crazy how brawl character’s entire viability revolved around meta knight. can you chain grab meta knight? can you edgeguard meta knight? he was the judge jury and executioner for everyone
@@rubyredyoshi
I mean they call him META Knight for a reason.
Toon link’s only move that can beat tornado is his bombs so when he sees him spinning he has to quickly run away pull out a bomb and throw it at him
I mean he did react to CONEY’s reaction
37:24
Four different people from different walks of life, two of them from another continent then the other two. They all decide to use the same move at the same time and all for different purposes.
Anti uses it to recover to the platform.
Mew2king uses it to get from ledge.
Atori uses it to block Mew2king from getting up from ledge.
Kakera uses it to recover to center stage.
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Bro literally copied what Coney said
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I love that with vids like these you always seem to put at least 1 honorable mention or runner up per category. I think it makes the vids more interesting, shows how knowledgeable you are, and shows you put time and effort into choosing each category.
Felt SO GOOD to see Ganondorf as the runner-up for the down air category. Between that and Incineroar's Alolan Whip, it's right up there in terms of satisfying as hell moves to kill with.
37:25 and we see here, a storm of Meta Knights about to take off so they can head south for the winter. We at Smashional Geographic wish them the best in their flight
16:07 Not only was Miloni's reaction funny, listening to the in game audio from the clip makes it sound like MKLeo's hits sync up perfectly with the music. It remains my favourite MKLeo moment of all time for that reason.
Oh yeah and........goated video so far.
Another runner-up you could mention in the GOAT ofall Down-B is PEach's turnips. In every iteration, it serves as a neutral tool, combo starter, cheese (with turnips, bob-ombs and swords), edgeguard. It's such an important part of her kit and it has always been an amazing move
So many amazing character defining items lol, giving any character a spawnable item instantly changes their whole game plan
Agree with a lot of the Super GOAT list, the only one MAYBE I disagree with is Down-B, could've been dimensional cape from brawl because of IDC, but that got banned so I understand not wanting to use it
Hey Esam.
Steve neutral special wins for sure, his argument completely ignores crafting and mining which enables Steve’s ENTIRE game
I guess next time we’ll do the woat (worst of all time) moves and obviously have Falcon Punch for Neutral B et Volcano Kick for up tilt
BOAT is a better name
falcon punch is actually really good in 64
probably egg roll for side b as well
Ganon neutral b is somehow falcon punch but worse. Also ganon up tilt is definitely a move that exists.
@@meee_5155You could argue that it’s better. Both are too slow to ever be used competitively outside of a shield break, but Warlock Punch being stronger means that it’s better in that use-case.
PIKACHU MENTIONED LET'S GOOOOOO
After brawl, Meta Knight’s Shuttle loop was so good that it became a part of his move set in the Kirby games and is THE best move in each respective one like:
*Return to Dreamland:* Frame 1, faster glide, unlimited usage, MORE invincibility and was jump cancellable, meaning you could become a COMPLETELY INVINCIBLE spinning vortex that shredded bosses due to its higher damage.
*Kirby Fighters 2:* Also unlimited in a fighting game where flight is limited for everyone else. Also much faster WITH A CONSTANT ACTIVE MULTI-HITBOX, so you could fly around and chase your opponent (or camp) indefinitely. And also jump-cancellable, so you can preform an infinite on the whole cast whenever you want.
*Every other game it’s in:* Either in the top 3 or is THE BEST speed-running move in the game. (Plus everything else)
Shuttle loop does everything
I love making the sponsor transition the punchline to a setup, "Its me... Im youtuber" got a genuine laught out of me
“It’s me, I’m TH-camr” is the greatest way to start a raid ad I’ve ever seen lol.
Between the bomb edit in the SD video and the first 30 seconds of this one, MockRock is slowly becoming a more and more chaotic individual and we will not be able to contain him for much longer
Missed opportunity for an April Fool’s list where every move is from Brawl Meta Knight or Sm4sh Cloud or Bayo
I've never been one to appreciate Raid Shadow Legends, but I SWEAR making Raid Shadow Legends the punchline for a previous youtube joke and THEN actually taking the sponsorship is probably the best laugh I've had in a while
What a strong opening 30 seconds
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This reminds me of a smash mod i saw where in little macs victory screen, doc louis screams that little mac is the goat
Great lists. I would have put Shulks manodo arts from ultimate as an honorable mention for neutral b but other then that, everything was spot on in my opinion. keep up the great work.
Yeah same, I was surprised it didn't get talked about at all.
It’s because the Mach Tornado is most of Shulks Manado in one move, lol.
Damage, Defense, Speed, and Recovery, it only lacks kill power,
Monado Arts require a lot of thinking, almost to the detriment of the move because regular humans struggle to process such copious amounts of information.
On the other hand a literal monkey could probably win by just spamming the B button on Meta Knight, Mach Tornado is genuinely the closest thing I have ever seen to an actual win-button in a fighting game.
I would say Monado Arts are comparable to Steve though.
I think Sheik f-tilt is arguable just because it isn’t that good in ultimate. It’s very good in 4 and pretty good in brawl & melee but it’s one of her least important moves in ult. It’s not safe on shield, or to use in neutral and you can’t ledgetrap with it. All it really serves to do is extend combos and since Sheik has plenty of options to do that already, it’s actually a lot less useful than you might expect.
@@joey5745mach tornado can kill too on the top
One that I'd say deserves at least an honorable mention for up air is Smash 4 Cloud. It's his main combo starter that goes into itself and early kills with fair and finishing touch, can be used to hit people while rising or landing, is one of the best juggling moves in the whole series especially with Smash 4 airdodges getting eaten by it, and on top of that it hurtbox shifts to break combo and turn them into his own combos.
And then his back air
Bruh its Greatest Of ALL Time. Smash 4 is just one game
@@brandonlee8123 They literally were picking best standalone entries of moves at the end. Every move picked there is just one game lmfao.
It's busted but not comparable to 64 falcon's really
Sm4sh cloud nair not getting an hm was insane imo
I'm surprised Monado Arts wasn't even mentioned during the neutral special section
While I am an avid hater of Raid Shadow Legends
The fact that they still took up the sponsorship deal even though you made fun of them in the intro is comedy gold
Was anybody else waiting for ICs pummel to show up? 😅 Awesome stuff once again. I would have put Brawl Mach Tornado in the true GOAT spot, but you make a good case for the Shuttle Loop too.
I think Smash 4 Mario up tilt would have also been a good honourable mention, other than that and the Monado that other’s have mentioned I think that you got everything.
I also give an honorable mention to the GOAT of Neutral Special to Shulk's Monado Arts from Ultimate. Just those stat buffs all on that easy to navigate window now makes Shulk a menace now even being on the higher end of the tier list
I was expecting at least an honorable mention for Monado Arts in the second section, not gonna lie
The quadruple Mach Tornado clip is a work of art.
Genuinely shocking smash 4 cloud never even got a mention
I guess he just didn’t have a long enough legacy (only two games) and non of his individual moves are the absolute goat when he’s contending with melee puff back air and brawl MK everything
0:17 This was remarkably cursed. Thanks MockRock!
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so glad they peeled back diddy's banana pull to only one at a time, two was chimply too much
Fox Up Smash is the reason I choose to keep believing Star Fox's legs are made of metal, even though official statements say otherwise.
great video. loved hearing all your opinions on smash moves over time. so many crazy moves throughout the series.
I’m happy Bowser showed up as an honorable mention! Good on ya, buddy!
your editing is getting so good. you’re such an underrated figure in game design
There is no way he made fun of raid shadow legends and got sponsored by them... In the same video
I'd like to give special recognition to Pikmin Toss because it gives Olimar as close to a consistent one-move neutral as probably any character has gotten. There's Steve's mining, Diddy Kong's banana in brawl, and Fox's laser in melee but probably no move handles so much across multiple iterations as pikmin toss
Loved the inclusion of HOME - We’re Finally Landing when the Summoning Salt reference came up, great video
Your intro always hits super hard and I can never resist brandishing one, two, three fingers, then bringing them together.
15:42 plus Link’s Brawl Bombs don’t synergize nearly as well with his nair.
Only makes sense for the GOAT of smash TH-cam to make a video talking about the GOAT of smash moves. Love it whenever a new video comes out from you!
39:49 Mango lol
I think Dash Attack should have gone to Fox as well. Maybe that character is just really good in multiple smash games.
I'd say Nair goes to Link because of the good old Melee trope of bs hitboxes, where *they forgot to set the flag to end the hitbox, so the hitbox is out until the entire animation ends.*
Huh, I didn't know fans named Sheik's up smash after DDP, but I can definitely see it. BANG!
I’m so used to watching your tierlist for the move sets and consistent uploading on MockRockTalk
That it took me a whopping 5 minutes to realize this is the main channel DX
23:20 "Party in the clouds" music 👌nice choice
It's a small thing, but I really appreciate the inclusion of "Party In The Clouds" during the special moves segment. That song's a real jam.
Do a worst move version now! Bet it would be harder to make since people wouldn't ever talk about these moves besides the obvious garbage like egg roll and volcano kick, but I would still 100% want that
A similar idea ive thought about is whats the single best character you can make combining moves from across the series
So id like to share the cursed idea of spindash and melee or 64 rest on one character
Alongside brawl mach tornado
Bah, real ones know that the GOAT of Down Airs goes to Dr. Mario's timbs! 😤
I love this list! Lots of research and knowledge of gameplay mechanics. Great work @MockRock
Love that summoning salt shout out
For Brawl Meta Knight's up air, not only was the starting speed the quickest (frame 2), but also had incredibly low endlag. Iirc, he's the only character ever that could do 3 aerials in a single SH
That was the first raid shadow legends Segway I thought was legitimately great. Well done
I want someone to make a character with all of your “most powerful” moves on it.
modders wya
It wouldn’t really work then. Some of the moves are only good because they are in combination w/ others
@@sirk603 the point really isn't for it to "work". I am well aware that mixing various strong moves will not make a cohesive character. But it would be fun to see
love these videos, very high effort. great editing. good shit dude👍👍
5.:57 I still think luigi's down tilt is better because of how incredible it is for ledgetrapping
GOAT concept for a video
Meta Knight's down b in Brawl is clearly the best as you only have to use it once after landing a single hit and you win.
This was such an amazing list to look at!
Now do the wor-
would have liked to see a category for non standard moves, ie; EWGF, Crack Shoot, and Float, but otherwise, another sick video from the real GOAT
"It's me, I'm TH-camr" is probably the best ad segue I've ever heard.
My one rea disagreement with the llist is needles not even getting a mention for neutral special. Yeah, ultimate charge shot is the best but that move ran smash 4, is amazing for combos and neutral in ulimate, a solid projectile in brawl and the single best edgeguarding tool in melee, not to mention how it's always had access to an enormous amount of movement tech
Special mention to vanilla SSB4 Sheik's Needles. That move was a war crime.
Much less endlag and traveled essentially the full length of Final Destination. That move used to completely shut down certain matchups alone.
That was the time period where the best neutral game and combo character was also one of the best zoners in the game.
That Summoning Salt ref at the beginning of the second part was HILARIOUS
The editing was awesome!
The goat video... is your goat video. Nice one, and didn't see it coming at all 😂 it's huge.
Also why the mango at the end ? Is it for the melee player?
I'm so excited for this, thanks mock
The Summoning Salt joke was just perfection
This was a great vid, and I loved the pacing! The only thing I would say I disagree with is that witch time is better than falco's shine, but I can see both sides of the story.
Steve blocks just chillin in the corner
I know this list refers to how the moves work in their characters and over all games but I think melee zelda bair is the best bair in the series in a vacuum
it's a frame 5 areal that kills most characters very early, and unlike the newer games the sweat spot is very easy to hit and even the sour spot still does 10 damage
at least in melee if you put this move on any good character it would break the game, fast fallers now get a better kill move that could probably combo into one of their moves and imagine someone like puff spaming bair in melee but except of it being a slow disjoint and does ok knockback, it's an extremely fast kill move, or roy doing jair but it kills at 60-80
(also sorry for this being long but I am very passionate about this for no reason)
I can’t imagine the drafting process when making this video.
nice touch at the end with the mang0 lol
12:03 that simple but effective edit caught me off guard
Hearing "we are finally landing" always hits different
I’m amazed Minecraft Steve didn’t get any “best move” awards, despite how amazing all his moves are
Mostly because he doesn't have a move SO broken that it's the center of the character. He is an amazing character because of the sinergy that all his move have with each other.
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Awesome as always
the more I see brawl gameplay the more I'm convinced it could've been a sick game without meta knight, ice climbers, or tripping
Yeah, those characters should have been banned early in the game's competitive history. It's a cool meta without them.
this video is the GOAT
Loved the video!
I think I would put Melee Roy as the best Dtilt in the series , although it is very close. AMAZING combo starter, nearly identical frame data to Marths, and beats asdi down, which is progressively becoming more and more important in the meta. The only thing that weakens it is that it is on Melee Roy. 😂
I was going to mention this myself lol.
32:13 I would argue that roys downtilt is better. It is the only reason roy is even mediocre. It combos into his grab, and destroys spacies by itself
Crouch cancel countering is a more significant use case imo than the combo ability when combined with the great stage control it grants.
33:45 Meta Knight's upair being trancendent is actually worse for him (or doesn't honestly matter) because all aerials are already transcendent against each other and ground moves, the only exception being projectiles. A non-trancendent aerial can clank and nullify a projectile, a transcendent one cannot.
Great video! Keep up the good work.
I feel like Link's nair deserves the spot, for it's well known for have being busted in most of its iterations (it's not even bad in Brawl, though that is a low point for it). It's much more impactful to his gameplan than Marth's nair is; Link just doesn't have the legacy of repeatedly being a top tier character to showcase it.
damn, no HM to monado arts ?
I liked your list. But I am wondering what character would you put all these moves over? Like how TcNick3 picked diddy kong for all his custom moves.
I feel like he could have talked about grabs too, would have been interesting to see and talk about, for goats I think it would be dk, although I can’t remember if he always had that grab and if it was that strong in melee or 64 but I feel likes it’s status and him being the go to grab character imo puts it as the goat, for best of all time I think it’s ice climbers melee, nothing quite like a wobble (although I think it’s banned now right?) to be frank I think it could have won goat too being staples in brawl and in ultimate but going by his rules, he wasn’t in smash 4 or 64 so I gave it to dk, for runner ups I think Marth, fox, or maybe ness could have won, fox grab has great through most the games I believe and Marths giant grab in melee was unbelievable, i don’t really know tho, he didn’t mention any grabs and grabs in general are pretty solid as one of if not the best way to counter shields and are generally pretty similar to each other although definitely have differing strengths and some are even long ranged besides marth.
About mach tornado turning off characters in Brawl, one of my favorite things ever is Coney talking about how toon link in brawl literally doesn't have a move that beats it apart from bomb. That's just insane to me.
One runner up you should mention would be falco up tilt
22:53 I think there was another spike which you can't tech on the ground too, but I can't find it.
I think Sheik's jab is very comparable to Fox's in strength. Was an integral piece of Melee Sheik's tech chase game at top levels, in Brawl and Smash4 had great mixup options after jab 2, and in Ult even has utility with jab dtilt dd uair loops and high percent jab -> tipper dtilt uair as a kill confirm in a game where jabs got substantially nerfed.
Alternate title: MockRock fanboys about Marth for 40 minutes.
This was great. Can throws/grabs be its own video?
The "Meta Knight is everything" song is one of my favorite things the community has ever done.