Terrible grammar; what would be more proper is, "The older Disney animators became exhausted; often due to their desirable need to draw every frame in their cartoons; even though some of the animators we're wrong, it's still extremely accurate and inspiring compared to the lazy animations made today: notably made with far more advanced technology."
@@kos-3327 Terrible grammar. It's *were* wrong, not we're wrong. Why the colons and semi-colons? Periods would have worked. Also, animation today isn't lazy. Only some shows are lazy. Animation today can be very complex and done with more skills that were learned over the decades of animations and movies. Animators back in the day HAD to do it frame-by-frame, as they didn't have computers or equipment to help with the process. Just because today's animators use computers doesn't mean it's 'lazy'.
This is really good compared to more recent Disney, where Mickey plays everything wrong, but he still did here, and that’s some disney lore, Minnie knows how to play piano, but Mickey doesn’t!
It would’ve taken some more drawing to have Mickey playing accurately. Instead, they use the same sequence of pictures even when they changed the chord. So even in the old Disney cartoons, the animators took some shortcuts.
I wish animations now actually focused and put some detail on the right notes I know it wouldn’t make any difference but still I would love that detail :)
@@nathanthomascherian3572 And that’s what really cool about it the olden times seem to put more detail on animation than now of course animation has improved and it’s easier compared to back then but I would still love that :)
This was back when they were experimenting with timing and whatnot. So this was the actual goal. Most animators either don't know how to play or don't care enough to get good reference material. A team with a musician among them is going to get far closer - if not spot-on - in whatever instruments said animator(s) play.
In the "left hand" part, I think that when it sounds a D or a low G they play an A, that way the accompaignment should be more or less like this: "D FG FG A FG FG". Great job and thanks for the video!
Walt Disney's perfectionism wouldn’t allow for anything less. No one working in animation today has the mental fortitude to put in that kind of effort or work under someone who would expect that kind of effort.
it's not the effort.. it's like animating anything else - simply takes more time. if the animator cannot read sheet music then hire a musician to work alongside. It is easily doable better than was done here - simply takes its time
good! that just means people are learning how to not tolerate work conditions that lead to constant burnout 🤷♂️ and besides, there are modern animated films and shows where you can see just how much effort and detail they put in all WITHOUT overworking themselves :)
@@man_guo Walt Disney’s perfectionism was self-imposed. At this point in history, Disney was a small name and he did a lot of the animation himself. Animation was a very young art form at the time and most animators put their very best foot forward to make quality animations and prove themselves. It was a different time period than the later 20th century and certainly different from today.
@@ticktockvaudevillian2211 Good point, honestly! I was more so responding to OP saying that modern animators lack the mental fortitude to work under standards of perfectionism. There really is a time period difference like you said, and people now are just prioritizing their mental (and physical) health over having to prove themselves.
I feel like something like this is a bit more easier for animators to be able to achieve since it’s just animating the characters with fairly common movements compared to having to animate the muscles in the hands and wrist
This! I immediately thought the same thing, it's not that animators got lazy, it's just that hands are way harder to animate. They didn't have to redraw them in order to place them in the right place, they only needed to move them to the correct key.
I'm not surprised - this was in the early years of animation, when characters had limbs that would grow and shrink randomly. Advanced techniques like inbetweeners or animation smears also weren't common or not even invented yet. So what happened here was that they animated the piano first. The characters were then added in afterwards and just made to fit the keys.
Another factor is that a lot more people played the piano in 1929, or at least were used to seeing it in concerts and sallooms, so they needed to put effort into it. But yes props to the animators of course!
Back then a lot of average people played piano, because making music was one of the significantly fewer ways of entertaining yourself in the home. If it'd been wildly off, I imagine the audience would have audibly scoffed.
@@ruchick6155 actually Mickey's name was supposed to be Mortimer but they changed it to Mickey because Walt Disney's wife suggested that it sounded better.
It's funny: I immediately recognized the song because it's the Dutch folk-song "Daar word aan de deur geklopt (There's knocking on the door)" which is sung during Sinterklaas (our (arguably better) sort of Christmas). Never knew this was an actual piece of music 🎵🎶
This is actually a really fun music tutorial to learn this song. The attention to detail to have the cartoon characters playing the correct notes on a piano is rare.
This medley that they played sounds alot like a childrens lullaby from the netherlands that they sing during a holiday festival called "Sinterklaas". the songs name is: Daar wordt aan de deur geklopt
The thing that made Disney so famous was using real-world models to make animation look more realistic, using then-cutting edge techniques like rotoscoping (aka using a real actor's filmed movements as a basis for animations).
Because that was the appeal back then, people where drawn to this cartoons because how credible the animation was for them, this was a time where people run away of a cinema cause's a train got straight to the viewers even it is was clearly just a movie. A one shot of just two mice jumping on a piano was like watching a 4K movie.
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I really don't blame animators for not animating instruments super accurately. The process of animating even simple actions is a painstaking and often gruelling process. It usually just makes more sense to animate something simply and focus on character movement and story over "accuracy" since storytelling and character is what matters most. If the animator/director does decide to focus on accuracy, it is pretty cool to see though.
well animation like this actually need some respect for the animators (idk are they dead or not) for making sounds,frame 1 by 1 from just 10000 papers and perfectly balanced piano
they actually recorded someone playing those pieces and animated completely according to it. First time I watched, I was amazed that they had all the animations perfect for both piano and violin
💀 damn over an animation? An instrument animation that only HAPPENS for like a minute or less? Dang calling it stupid too? Other Animators had their shit going on they are overworked and underpaid. And even if it wasn't its not technically bad animation its just not doing the same keys or animated correctly. And they either have strict schedule or a strict deadline. So um 🤷♀️
I don't know much about music. But why did Mickey pressed the A key even though that's played (started) on G major? Is no one talking how Mickey pressed C and E (as in a C major) at the end?
Well searching youtube for a few of these cartoons quite a few of the very old ones they said were mostly sounds that make music type based stuff so it makes a bit of sense in a way of how they got it to be with it and all
I doubt it, but the animated notes just sound wrong. Maybe the actual notes were to hard to animate, so they used this different version which looks allright at first glance but does not make sense if you actually play it.
@@irodragon7184 yes It not technically wrong, but those are not the implied chords based on the Melody. Also I already knew the song so I know what its suposed to sound like, so I guess im biased
0:00 - 0:01 Daisyyyyyy Daisyyyyyyyy give me your answer doooooo i'mmm haaallff craaazyyy all for the love... Of youuuuu! It won't be a stylish marr- No?????? It wasn't that????
The tune is an old Viennese chestnut: "Oh du lieber Augustin." Mr. and Mrs. Mouse, sophisticates that they are, have opted for a mixolydian rendition. Edit: I just caught something that escaped my eye and BPM's eye. Mickey's low key is A, not G. Mickey also ends up not on G, but on D-F.
They wanted Mickey to play the same thing, that was the point. To show the magic of animation, and how things can change with easy motions of a mouse jumping on the same key. The point wasn't to make mickey break dance.
I've never seen Mickey and Minnie be actually mouse-sized before
Plot Twist: ITS a Giant piano
@@danyhunselar9654 ya
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@@danyhunselar9654 yeah
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the animators are often exhausted drawing frame to frame, in fact some of the animations are wrong, but that's pretty accurate!
Terrible grammar; what would be more proper is, "The older Disney animators became exhausted; often due to their desirable need to draw every frame in their cartoons; even though some of the animators we're wrong, it's still extremely accurate and inspiring compared to the lazy animations made today: notably made with far more advanced technology."
@@kos-3327 youre ignorant to animatiors quality of the workplace
@@kos-3327 you have absolute no idea the animators' hard work
@@kos-3327hey I'm sorry, english isn't my first language
@@kos-3327 Terrible grammar. It's *were* wrong, not we're wrong. Why the colons and semi-colons? Periods would have worked. Also, animation today isn't lazy. Only some shows are lazy. Animation today can be very complex and done with more skills that were learned over the decades of animations and movies. Animators back in the day HAD to do it frame-by-frame, as they didn't have computers or equipment to help with the process. Just because today's animators use computers doesn't mean it's 'lazy'.
This is really good compared to more recent Disney, where Mickey plays everything wrong, but he still did here, and that’s some disney lore, Minnie knows how to play piano, but Mickey doesn’t!
love the pfp
@@GabrielG603 thank you! Love yours as well!
@@GabrielG603 agreed Petscop is best boi
It would’ve taken some more drawing to have Mickey playing accurately. Instead, they use the same sequence of pictures even when they changed the chord.
So even in the old Disney cartoons, the animators took some shortcuts.
@@stevesmith291 Disney is all about shortcuts.
I wish animations now actually focused and put some detail on the right notes I know it wouldn’t make any difference but still I would love that detail :)
It is hard to make it fully correct and specially it was in the olden times
And u have to do it frame by frame which is hard for those times
@@nathanthomascherian3572 And that’s what really cool about it the olden times seem to put more detail on animation than now of course animation has improved and it’s easier compared to back then but I would still love that :)
The animators are exhausted, making frame to frame, so, to make it quick, they dont animate the right notes
I know right soul is completely inaccurate... except every single note is right in the whole movie
Amazingly too, the score on the piano is also ACCURATE, it spells the right hand.
I'm amazed at how they managed to reserve an animation that's over 90 years old this well
@Klardestine Amoroso mickey is 92 years old
There are older animations back to the 1800s
Dang. Mickey is almost 100.
@@Rafael-pi4md this one came out in 1929
@@d3c34t Mickey mouse got created back in 1904...
This was back when they were experimenting with timing and whatnot. So this was the actual goal. Most animators either don't know how to play or don't care enough to get good reference material. A team with a musician among them is going to get far closer - if not spot-on - in whatever instruments said animator(s) play.
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In the "left hand" part, I think that when it sounds a D or a low G they play an A, that way the accompaignment should be more or less like this:
"D FG FG A FG FG". Great job and thanks for the video!
Correct. But one thing to add, though: The final cord is G7/D without the third (the left hand mouse ends on DF).
@@sirisaacalbertmravinszky2671 Yeah, you're totally right 😂.
i dont understand A thing cuz I cant playthe piano
@@kpopsdreamstanbecuzimspiec4360 We're talking about chords and notes, the ones which appear in the video 😂.
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Walt Disney's perfectionism wouldn’t allow for anything less. No one working in animation today has the mental fortitude to put in that kind of effort or work under someone who would expect that kind of effort.
it's not the effort.. it's like animating anything else - simply takes more time. if the animator cannot read sheet music then hire a musician to work alongside. It is easily doable better than was done here - simply takes its time
@@agnidas5816 You do realize everything you said still applies to what I said, right?
good! that just means people are learning how to not tolerate work conditions that lead to constant burnout 🤷♂️
and besides, there are modern animated films and shows where you can see just how much effort and detail they put in all WITHOUT overworking themselves :)
@@man_guo Walt Disney’s perfectionism was self-imposed. At this point in history, Disney was a small name and he did a lot of the animation himself. Animation was a very young art form at the time and most animators put their very best foot forward to make quality animations and prove themselves. It was a different time period than the later 20th century and certainly different from today.
@@ticktockvaudevillian2211 Good point, honestly! I was more so responding to OP saying that modern animators lack the mental fortitude to work under standards of perfectionism. There really is a time period difference like you said, and people now are just prioritizing their mental (and physical) health over having to prove themselves.
I'm actually just surprised to see Mickey and Minnie to be actually mouse sized.
Yeah
copied from @Bart Geerts message
@@ricardosalazar7798 what the fuck do you want us to do? cry over it? insult him?
@@ricardosalazar7798 nah, not an exact copy
It’s a big piano I think
I feel like something like this is a bit more easier for animators to be able to achieve since it’s just animating the characters with fairly common movements compared to having to animate the muscles in the hands and wrist
This! I immediately thought the same thing, it's not that animators got lazy, it's just that hands are way harder to animate. They didn't have to redraw them in order to place them in the right place, they only needed to move them to the correct key.
I'm not surprised - this was in the early years of animation, when characters had limbs that would grow and shrink randomly. Advanced techniques like inbetweeners or animation smears also weren't common or not even invented yet.
So what happened here was that they animated the piano first. The characters were then added in afterwards and just made to fit the keys.
Another factor is that a lot more people played the piano in 1929, or at least were used to seeing it in concerts and sallooms, so they needed to put effort into it. But yes props to the animators of course!
Back then a lot of average people played piano, because making music was one of the significantly fewer ways of entertaining yourself in the home. If it'd been wildly off, I imagine the audience would have audibly scoffed.
The fact that its an old cartoon and is very legit makes me happy
Seems safe to say that this is the worlds first piano tutorial.
The left jumping mouse and right jumping mouse are named Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse. You may have hear of them?
*Michael and Minerva
@@ruchick6155 actually Mickey's name was supposed to be Mortimer but they changed it to Mickey because Walt Disney's wife suggested that it sounded better.
@@belynda1224 And then they used the name Mortimer for another character in the short entitled “Mickey’s Rival.”
It's funny: I immediately recognized the song because it's the Dutch folk-song "Daar word aan de deur geklopt (There's knocking on the door)" which is sung during Sinterklaas (our (arguably better) sort of Christmas). Never knew this was an actual piece of music 🎵🎶
So i am not the only one! When i first heard it, the first thing that came to mind were the lyrics of the song😂
can i ask what is the name of piano song they played??
ah its "Daar word aan de deur geklopt" thanks, i got it😂
Dat merkte ik ook al geinig eigenlijk als je je realiseert dat het een grote rol in onze jeugd heeft gespeeld wat denken jullie?
SAME XD
This is actually a really fun music tutorial to learn this song. The attention to detail to have the cartoon characters playing the correct notes on a piano is rare.
Round of applause more the animators 👏
for the left hand I think you are different from in the video.. but you are amazing
end chord is not the same yes
@@MauriceGuibot also instead of the low g it should be an a
This medley that they played sounds alot like a childrens lullaby from the netherlands that they sing during a holiday festival called "Sinterklaas". the songs name is: Daar wordt aan de deur geklopt
Hmm, maybe it's related, I know for sure though it's an Austrian song called 'O du lieber Augustin'
@@karinkkkkkk or maybe it can be german
Daar word aan de deur geklopt
Hard geklopt
Zacht geklopt
Daar word aan de deur geklopt
Wie zou dat zijn?
het liedje is ach du lieber augustin, lol
Haha, dat was ook mijn eerste gedachte 😁
Finally, a good one
It just means the animators knew how to play the piano to some level.
And they were instructed to invest the time to accurately animate each melody note rather than doing a simpler repetitive animation.
I mean Ub was a very good animator for disney
The thing that made Disney so famous was using real-world models to make animation look more realistic, using then-cutting edge techniques like rotoscoping (aka using a real actor's filmed movements as a basis for animations).
Ah, yes... "When the Cat's Away," one of the most bizarre Mickey Mouse cartoons by modern standards.
the first few seconds actually sounded like final duet
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Mickey pushed minnie down the stairs
even tho it is not 100% correct, it still sounds epic
It is an old traditional Viennese song about a bard who survived the plague.
@@davidwuhrer6704 what the name of the song
@@andrewvu1752 Oh du lieber Augustin.
@@davidwuhrer6704 thank you
Makes sense. It was a marvel at the time to sync up animation with sound, so of course they would spend ages making sure everything looked right!
93 years later the animation was appreciated :)
It's always the old-fashioned animations from the 1920s-1960s that have it right
Because that was the appeal back then, people where drawn to this cartoons because how credible the animation was for them, this was a time where people run away of a cinema cause's a train got straight to the viewers even it is was clearly just a movie. A one shot of just two mice jumping on a piano was like watching a 4K movie.
@@nidohime6233 yes yes, simple them down to cavemen. You have no idea of what this era was actually like.
When an old classic cartoon animates more accurately than the modern cartoons
I never realized this was an international song. In the Netherlands the tune is used in a well know sinterklaas (Dutch santa claus) song
As a Belgian I also immediately recognized this song 😊
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This was before tom and jerry
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@@BOX_corporation. No shit
Nice! I've heard this song my whole life, but never knew the name until now. Thanks, Disney animators, for writing it on the sheet music.
Its from a dutch holiday called sinterklaas Walt stole it search daar wordt aan de deur geklopt its a banger
i sam dutch btw
I really don't blame animators for not animating instruments super accurately. The process of animating even simple actions is a painstaking and often gruelling process. It usually just makes more sense to animate something simply and focus on character movement and story over "accuracy" since storytelling and character is what matters most.
If the animator/director does decide to focus on accuracy, it is pretty cool to see though.
the world: oh, nice song
the Netherlands: SINTERKLAAS?!
even if the left hand wasn't accurate, it was very impressive at the time
When the 1929 animation surpasses the 21th century animation
"Right Jumping mouse" hahahaha 😂
🤣🤣🤣
This perfectionism would lead Disney to creating Fantasia 11 years later.
The animation is perfect it's because they draw everything literally frame by frame
well animation like this actually need some respect for the animators (idk are they dead or not) for making sounds,frame 1 by 1 from just 10000 papers and perfectly balanced piano
The "left hand" mouse is playing an A on the bass, but you've played a G 😅 I'm quite surprised nobody noticed (not even you!)
That piano must be enormous. Very interesting analysis.
So 1929's animators used to work hard compared to today's?
Great 😃
You know that was a Mickey Mouse cartoon
This is a traditional holiday song in the Netherlands it’s called “daar word aan de deur geklopt”, it’s from the holiday called “Sinterklaas”
you missed two notes (D- F ) at 1:07
When a 1929 animaton animates better than modern anime/cartoons
You should check out Your Lie in April piano animation if you haven't already
Does that anime have correct piano playing? Because I love that anime. The music was good, and I loved the main characters playing
@@jAyBCD1 There is nothing wrong with the animation as far as I can tell.
@@jAyBCD1 all accurate
they actually recorded someone playing those pieces and animated completely according to it. First time I watched, I was amazed that they had all the animations perfect for both piano and violin
@@jouzu8700 as expected. It has to be or else it wouldn't be called a music anime
I can't believe a 1929 animation of a piano is better than more currently animations of pianos in 2d and 3d, talking about how right are animated
Even mice play piano better than me 😳😳😳🙄🙄🙄🥺🥺🥺
are you even playing
that song looks so easy!! Im gonna try it
damn even a 1920s animation piano animations are more accurate than now
What they played sounds like: The More We Get Together
Lyrics: ianuam nunc pellitur
Fortiter leviter
Ianuam nunc pellitur
Quis aderit?
Considering that Walt Disney had a love for music that eventually manifested in Fantasia, this should not be that surprising.
1929: Limited technology, accurate animation
2022: Limitless technology, stupid animation
💀 damn over an animation? An instrument animation that only HAPPENS for like a minute or less? Dang calling it stupid too? Other Animators had their shit going on they are overworked and underpaid. And even if it wasn't its not technically bad animation its just not doing the same keys or animated correctly. And they either have strict schedule or a strict deadline. So um 🤷♀️
@@notinuse90 Working conditions in the animation industry used to be better a century ago.
They hand drew every frame one at a time. If they gotta put that much effort in, they’re gonna freakin do it right
I don't know much about music. But why did Mickey pressed the A key even though that's played (started) on G major? Is no one talking how Mickey pressed C and E (as in a C major) at the end?
I'm really confused by this video lol.
Makes sense because everyone in 1929 had some knowledge on pianos. Some people had pianos in their houses even though they didn’t play!
This proves that animators back then actually did things right.
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If you look clise enough it is correct- the left mouse plays an inverted G(add7) bt the way the piano is drawn causes a distortion.
“Daar word aan de deur geklopt hard geklopt zacht geklop”
Haha ik zat al te denken van waar deze melodie ook al weer vandaan kwam
Jaaaaaa
Daar word aan de deur geklopt wie zou dat zijn?
sinds wanneer was hier een nederlandse gesprek?
@@jacpa2011 Omdat sinterklaas opeens langs kwam kakken, met zijn mijter.
Well searching youtube for a few of these cartoons quite a few of the very old ones they said were mostly sounds that make music type based stuff so it makes a bit of sense in a way of how they got it to be with it and all
When a 90 year old animation has more effort then a 2022 animation
I kinda like the sound of the F and G played together. It kinda gives it a goofy sound, which works for a just-for-fun style cartoon
Wow
That is a great detail
Animators should get good credit because that's a great detail
The left hand side is Mickey Mouse and the right side is Minnie Mouse
The song and the animation makes my childhood better :DD
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It's all fun and games until you hear the song quietly at night..
Could be they changed the score after the animation was done or something.
I doubt it, but the animated notes just sound wrong. Maybe the actual notes were to hard to animate, so they used this different version which looks allright at first glance but does not make sense if you actually play it.
@@henkdevries2002 those notes make perfect sense though... Maybe not musically interesting but there isn't anything wrong with them.
@@irodragon7184 yes It not technically wrong, but those are not the implied chords based on the Melody. Also I already knew the song so I know what its suposed to sound like, so I guess im biased
0:00 - 0:01 Daisyyyyyy Daisyyyyyyyy give me your answer doooooo i'mmm haaallff craaazyyy all for the love... Of youuuuu! It won't be a stylish marr-
No?????? It wasn't that????
Are you amosdoll music???
yeah that's one of his channels
@@My5ter ah, ok
Old Mickey my beloved
Which song is this plz tell
"O Du Lieber Augustin" I think
@@sphynxxa1049 oh thx ill search
Edit:- You Are Correct Thanks
Another famous iteration is the nursery rhyme "Did you ever see a lassie"
Daar wordt aan de deur geklopt
@@folkert2938 hard geklopt, zacht geklopt
that animation was actually pretty adorable!
Hey isnt that a dutch, Sinterklaas song
Wie heeft op de deur geklopt, hard geklopt, zacht geklopt. Wie heeft op de deur geklopt, wie zal het zijn?
wees maar gerust mijn kind
ik ben een goede vrind
crazy that in 7 years this animation will be 100 years old
pls, the nostalgia 😭
I thought they were gonna play the "daisy daisy daisy give me your answer do"
This Mickey Mouse song is great from 1929
The tune is an old Viennese chestnut: "Oh du lieber Augustin." Mr. and Mrs. Mouse, sophisticates that they are, have opted for a mixolydian rendition. Edit: I just caught something that escaped my eye and BPM's eye. Mickey's low key is A, not G. Mickey also ends up not on G, but on D-F.
The last notes played by the left hand are a D-F double stop in the animation. Great video!
STOP WHY DOES THIS REMIND ME OF HOW MY MUSIC TEACHER SINGS WHEN WE MEET HER VERY THURSDAY 😭😭
They played an huge piano☠️
I think im gonna make the animation play the Ussr Anthem whilst the song is just relaxing if i make an animation
i remember reading about this in a Disney book and it said that it made some guy super impressed
It’s amazing how in 1929 animations were more accurate.
Why is it that old time animation has attention to detail in terms of accurate musical instruments while some modern day don't even bother?
I love this song
He steps on the clutch and the toilet goes flush. Hail to the bus driver, bus driver man.
That song is also in a holiday in the Netherlands it’s calle “daar word aan de deur geklopt”
They wanted Mickey to play the same thing, that was the point. To show the magic of animation, and how things can change with easy motions of a mouse jumping on the same key. The point wasn't to make mickey break dance.
I thought it would be final duet for some reason
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People used to know how to play piano as a matter of course. Inaccurate animation would've been like misspelling simple words.
Cool!