I really tried to fact check you so I opened the multi video tabs but I got to the fourth girl and I froze. I froze before the RAM. How does she do that. Is she a gymnast? OMG maybe I can't even use 8GB if I'm this distracted. I'm giving 8 to the algo but ultimately you're right. Peeps need to listen, think, use experience, good advice and make their own decisions and don't be angry. You offer a solid base
Glad you're happy with yours. I've had a 16GB M1 MBP since its launch and then bought an 8GB Mini in 2022. It wasn't terrible at first, but with Ventura and especially Sonoma I found that computer to be literally unusable. Beach balling all the time, crashing with Finder causing some weird memory leak issues made me sell it. I love macOS but 8GBs seems to be a huge limiting factor, that MacBook Pro is way faster at everything from browsing web with 6 tabs open to coding even though it has the same CPU. Good thing they keep their resale value high so I could get a PC with an i5 12400/32GB RAM/1.5TB nvme and a freaking RTX 3080 for just €100 more.
Macs are great for (Thin)Client related workflows. User love them (see employee retention), Administrators as well if they have a clue about MDM. Even with 8GB RAM they annihilate most similar priced alternatives like Thinkpads (L14 Gen 1-3 and so on). Using them for workstation related tasks however isn’t necessarily the best idea. But a company willing to spend the money on a Mac Studio for example could just virtualize the workload. Far easier to provision and no asset management. ✌️
The moment you want to do any half decent Photoshop work or video editing, 8GB is not enough. It will work, sure, but it will start to slow down a LOT.
all videos and phot work the last 6 months is done on it ;) and many big TH-camrs used 8GB for a while in the 2020's before they got big and could buy a "better" one
I have had my 8GB M1 for 3 years now. I use Logic mostly in a home studio environment. the only time I have found that I need more RAM is when I can far to many Tabs open in a browser. Other than that I can edit videos all most as fast & as easily as I can on my gaming/editingPC that set me back 4k (3080ti 12900k 64gb) a few yers ago. yes would I like more RAM.. 100% but in all honestly as I don't use a lot of sample based instruments. I never really have more than 10 tabs open as it is as I am old school & thats just how I work. pages open just as fast as switching tabs so all good. I see more hard drive usage using multiple tabs with twitch & TH-cam vids than I do in a Logic project that Used 16gb on my previous Mac. I will confirm that even My OP PC runs Davinchi worse that the Mac that cost less than my GPU.. excluding the GPU accelerated features, obviously the Mac is more than plenty! The Mac is drawing no more than 40w at MAX load.. flat out.. The PC is sucking 600 - 700w flat-out. & when rendering a video I may have to wait a little bit longer on the Mac.. so I can go to the toilet, make a drink.. get up & move for a moment.. Aside from Gaming the Mac with 8GB is nothing short of amazing.. for my use case. The only reason I will upgrade this Mac MINI is when I need more CPU power. Great vid! Take my sub!
I briefly tried out an M1 Mac Mini 8Gb a couple years ago and it was using swap and 6Gb of ram with around 5 or 6 tabs open in Firefox. (I hate Safari) I called Apple and they said "The M1 Mac mini is for light, casual computing". That is what Apple support told me?!? LOL.
it will use swap all the time even if there is no memory pressure. its trying to give you the best experience possible as a user. not to please your need for the swap use in activity monitor to be zero for some unknown reason. Its the same thing as users complaining windows or mac os uses too much ram, its using ram because unused ram is useless. it should be using a lot of the available ram to make my experience better. 6 Firefox tabs are obviously not 14gb of data (6gb of cached data plus 8gb of ram). You can't compare things as if Linux, mac os and windows are the same. They are all different. I have had the mac mini m1 8gb ram before and agree with this video. It takes me 30-40 youtube tabs open before I experience ANY slowdown on that machine. I have a better experience on that 8gb ram computer than I have had on my Razer blade 15 and gaming computer (64gb ram). The only thing that matters is the experience. Just to give you an idea, my sister used my mac mini to play sims 4 at 5k resolution (75% more pixels than 4k so huge difference) at 40hz refresh rate on that machine. That game is known to slow down gaming computers with mods (it's EA so the opposite of optimised) and is also being translated from X86 to ARM as that game is not native for that platform. So yes, it is for light gaming but can also render 1hr 5k60 mov footage in davinci resolve to 1080p mp4 h265 (more demanding codec than h264) in 8-12mins depending on the edits involved in the project. You can then browser 15 youtube tabs and I would normally forget something is even rendering because there would be zero impact on the system's performance doing the light computing task simultaneously. There would be no noise, no lag and the animations on the mac were just as smooth as before whereas windows or linux animations stutter all the time (they mostly aren't smooth even if they aren't stuttering due to their terrible design/implementation). I think a lot of people here will be using linux but I'm sure they would have used windows in the last 5 years. Try switching workspace on windows 10 or 11 and experience and that horrendous animation. Try a 3 finger swipe up to get an overview of open windows in Windows, even with nothing open, it will lag every time (it lags to where you can count in seconds yourself). regarding caching concerns and ssd degradation, those are theoretical. Apple has the best hardware reliability out of the major hardware computer manufacturers (shown by third party using real consumer purchase, repair and return data). Microsoft has 4 times the hardware failure rate with their premium surface line of products for example. You can also purchase apple m1 minis on ebay for as low as £300. Or buy older apple hardware from 10+ years ago. There's plenty of them out there. Reliability is top notch, experience is top notch. Its amazing.
vsCode no problem, Pycharm no problem. Don't use docker and if I need to use them the dockers are going to be run on a server(Azure to google) and not on my desktop. So what do the Mac mini do, it work super well
8GB is not going to be good for future proofing at all. Especially if you use the mac for anything intensive. 8Gb may be okay now for most, but will it be okay in 2 or 3 or 5 years??
the 8GB models are not meant to be run more than 3 to 4 years before the user upgrade. That's how it is if all of tech, the lower end hardware are for people that upgrade often, then higher end for people that don't or have a more than normal use load. So you made the point for Apple :P I been using it for gaming, video editing, coding etc for 5 months now and no problems at all. And it out do or do the same workload as my 32GB win machine. So my "casual" use must be really "casual" i guess, and most people are doing wayyyyyy more with their computers than it am.
@@KentsTechWorld My deal is that I dont view $800 USD to be a "lower end" price. People apparently have a higher tax bracket than me! lol. Apple tax? Also, it wouldnt be so bad if you could just slap another 8Gb stick in it, but again, Apple. lol
I think you have to use bountful abundant or plus size, you cannot use the F word. (this of course is a joke, we need to clarify it these day). You are a handsome young man. writing on a m1 Air
I really tried to fact check you so I opened the multi video tabs but I got to the fourth girl and I froze. I froze before the RAM. How does she do that. Is she a gymnast? OMG maybe I can't even use 8GB if I'm this distracted. I'm giving 8 to the algo but ultimately you're right. Peeps need to listen, think, use experience, good advice and make their own decisions and don't be angry. You offer a solid base
Glad you're happy with yours. I've had a 16GB M1 MBP since its launch and then bought an 8GB Mini in 2022. It wasn't terrible at first, but with Ventura and especially Sonoma I found that computer to be literally unusable. Beach balling all the time, crashing with Finder causing some weird memory leak issues made me sell it. I love macOS but 8GBs seems to be a huge limiting factor, that MacBook Pro is way faster at everything from browsing web with 6 tabs open to coding even though it has the same CPU. Good thing they keep their resale value high so I could get a PC with an i5 12400/32GB RAM/1.5TB nvme and a freaking RTX 3080 for just €100 more.
Nice
Not sure what you mean - haven’t seen the beachball since the Intel models…
@@dominicbritt great for you, sucks for me
Your Mac Mini is OP im using 4Gb DDR2 ram and core2Duo E8400 processor and i can do it all plus im not locked into apples eco system.
Nice Sir
Yeah fuck crApple
Macs are great for (Thin)Client related workflows. User love them (see employee retention), Administrators as well if they have a clue about MDM.
Even with 8GB RAM they annihilate most similar priced alternatives like Thinkpads (L14 Gen 1-3 and so on).
Using them for workstation related tasks however isn’t necessarily the best idea.
But a company willing to spend the money on a Mac Studio for example could just virtualize the workload.
Far easier to provision and no asset management. ✌️
The moment you want to do any half decent Photoshop work or video editing, 8GB is not enough. It will work, sure, but it will start to slow down a LOT.
all videos and phot work the last 6 months is done on it ;) and many big TH-camrs used 8GB for a while in the 2020's before they got big and could buy a "better" one
I have had my 8GB M1 for 3 years now. I use Logic mostly in a home studio environment.
the only time I have found that I need more RAM is when I can far to many Tabs open in a browser.
Other than that I can edit videos all most as fast & as easily as I can on my gaming/editingPC that set me back 4k (3080ti 12900k 64gb) a few yers ago.
yes would I like more RAM.. 100% but in all honestly as I don't use a lot of sample based instruments.
I never really have more than 10 tabs open as it is as I am old school & thats just how I work. pages open just as fast as switching tabs so all good.
I see more hard drive usage using multiple tabs with twitch & TH-cam vids than I do in a Logic project that Used 16gb on my previous Mac.
I will confirm that even My OP PC runs Davinchi worse that the Mac that cost less than my GPU..
excluding the GPU accelerated features, obviously the Mac is more than plenty!
The Mac is drawing no more than 40w at MAX load.. flat out..
The PC is sucking 600 - 700w flat-out.
& when rendering a video I may have to wait a little bit longer on the Mac.. so I can go to the toilet, make a drink.. get up & move for a moment..
Aside from Gaming the Mac with 8GB is nothing short of amazing.. for my use case.
The only reason I will upgrade this Mac MINI is when I need more CPU power.
Great vid!
Take my sub!
I briefly tried out an M1 Mac Mini 8Gb a couple years ago and it was using swap and 6Gb of ram with around 5 or 6 tabs open in Firefox. (I hate Safari) I called Apple and they said "The M1 Mac mini is for light, casual computing". That is what Apple support told me?!? LOL.
it will use swap all the time even if there is no memory pressure. its trying to give you the best experience possible as a user. not to please your need for the swap use in activity monitor to be zero for some unknown reason. Its the same thing as users complaining windows or mac os uses too much ram, its using ram because unused ram is useless. it should be using a lot of the available ram to make my experience better. 6 Firefox tabs are obviously not 14gb of data (6gb of cached data plus 8gb of ram). You can't compare things as if Linux, mac os and windows are the same. They are all different. I have had the mac mini m1 8gb ram before and agree with this video. It takes me 30-40 youtube tabs open before I experience ANY slowdown on that machine. I have a better experience on that 8gb ram computer than I have had on my Razer blade 15 and gaming computer (64gb ram). The only thing that matters is the experience. Just to give you an idea, my sister used my mac mini to play sims 4 at 5k resolution (75% more pixels than 4k so huge difference) at 40hz refresh rate on that machine. That game is known to slow down gaming computers with mods (it's EA so the opposite of optimised) and is also being translated from X86 to ARM as that game is not native for that platform. So yes, it is for light gaming but can also render 1hr 5k60 mov footage in davinci resolve to 1080p mp4 h265 (more demanding codec than h264) in 8-12mins depending on the edits involved in the project. You can then browser 15 youtube tabs and I would normally forget something is even rendering because there would be zero impact on the system's performance doing the light computing task simultaneously. There would be no noise, no lag and the animations on the mac were just as smooth as before whereas windows or linux animations stutter all the time (they mostly aren't smooth even if they aren't stuttering due to their terrible design/implementation). I think a lot of people here will be using linux but I'm sure they would have used windows in the last 5 years. Try switching workspace on windows 10 or 11 and experience and that horrendous animation. Try a 3 finger swipe up to get an overview of open windows in Windows, even with nothing open, it will lag every time (it lags to where you can count in seconds yourself). regarding caching concerns and ssd degradation, those are theoretical. Apple has the best hardware reliability out of the major hardware computer manufacturers (shown by third party using real consumer purchase, repair and return data). Microsoft has 4 times the hardware failure rate with their premium surface line of products for example. You can also purchase apple m1 minis on ebay for as low as £300. Or buy older apple hardware from 10+ years ago. There's plenty of them out there. Reliability is top notch, experience is top notch. Its amazing.
Apple products are literal garbage...
100% dead on, correct.
Kent what happens if you spin up Pycharm and a demanding docker stack and that takes up more than 8 GB of ram. What does the mac mini do then?
vsCode no problem, Pycharm no problem. Don't use docker and if I need to use them the dockers are going to be run on a server(Azure to google) and not on my desktop. So what do the Mac mini do, it work super well
tab-suspender - and you dont feel any performance issues with ram ;) but on pc extra 8gb for 20$ worth it, imho
8GB is not going to be good for future proofing at all. Especially if you use the mac for anything intensive. 8Gb may be okay now for most, but will it be okay in 2 or 3 or 5 years??
the 8GB models are not meant to be run more than 3 to 4 years before the user upgrade. That's how it is if all of tech, the lower end hardware are for people that upgrade often, then higher end for people that don't or have a more than normal use load. So you made the point for Apple :P I been using it for gaming, video editing, coding etc for 5 months now and no problems at all. And it out do or do the same workload as my 32GB win machine. So my "casual" use must be really "casual" i guess, and most people are doing wayyyyyy more with their computers than it am.
@@KentsTechWorld My deal is that I dont view $800 USD to be a "lower end" price. People apparently have a higher tax bracket than me! lol. Apple tax? Also, it wouldnt be so bad if you could just slap another 8Gb stick in it, but again, Apple. lol
@@bm1066 800? It starts at 600. It's honestly a power house for the price. I wouldn't even consider a Windows pc for 600 bucks.
I think you have to use bountful abundant or plus size, you cannot use the F word. (this of course is a joke, we need to clarify it these day). You are a handsome young man. writing on a m1 Air