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- Flesh and Blood can be on the more expensive side of things when it comes to competitive play, but that's where budget formats come in. And while Commoner is the officially supported budget format, I'd argue that it pales in comparison to the fanmade format: Clash.
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HELL yeah!!! Please get Clash as much attention as possible. If MTG can coopt EDH into Commander, LSS can do the same with Clash. It's *by far* the best new player experience possible.
No clue if LSS will ever pick it up, but I've been having a ton of fun with the format! Also so easy to build decks, so I made 7 to share at the LGS to get people involved
Clash is AMAZING! Honestly, with how close LSS ear is to the community I wouldn't be surprised if Clash becomes an official format with a year. It would also help new players Grow their collection while also helping them get an idea how FAB decks work beyond commoner. Gives them a road map of 'Commoner->Clash->Blitz->CC' in that they slowly build their collections over time.
Not sure if LSS will ever make it official but if we can make it popular enough it could be!
Would love to see this format get some more attention. The game needs a casual friendly format with no LL system that isnt as bare bones as commoner
Finally some more clash coverage
Great coverage of the Format! As a fan of the budget formats, Clash is definitely my go to pick. I love Commoner, but not being able to play hero mechanics due to restrictions is a little feels bad, so Clash definitely makes up for it. Great content as always, keep up the great work :D
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And thanks for covering this! I'm the individual that Man Sant passed it off to and it has been so much fun! I literally have a suitcase that I bring to my LGS every week that has a Clash deck for every hero in it. While some of the decks can be expensive, most decks are actually $10-$30 (and much less if you get free bulk from players!)
Sounds pretty cool. Gonna run this past my group here in Nova Scotia, we’ve tried out all but this format; thanks for making a video highlighting it 👍
NS is beautiful, I visited Lockport earlier this year.
Heck yeah, let's get those Canadian player numbers up!
First time seeing Teklovossen, the Mechropotent... damn that is a nice piece of art. Great video btw, hadn't heard of this format until now; would be awesome if LSS made it official.
The Mechropotent marvel is truly a masterful piece of art
I've always been intrested in clash, didn't know Man Sant was the creator but that sells me a lot more on the the format. :)
He doesn't run it anymore (passed it to another) but he was the brains behind this great format!
Its very possible LSS picks up clash to replace commoner if it gains traction. Just look at EDH turning into commander, now mtg is almost entirely based around it. (We dont need to go that far though)
Clash is cool. I accidentally put belittle in my deck so I had to keep it in my sideboard and just run minnowisms by themselves. Won't make that mistake again.
I'm dying for a more budget friendly format, but my locals aren't too excited about commoner. Gonna have to pitch this hard!
Clash is far closer to fully-tuned FaB than Commoner is, for sure
Very well made video. Thoroughly enjoyed it!
A Clash armory right before Outsiders released was my first ever fab event! :D
I do have one thought about this format. When the Blitz sideboard was introduced everyone complained about Blitz becoming Mini CC. Clash appears to be a combination of CC and commoner. It is a mini commoner CC. Just without all the majetics and legendaries. It sort of feels like this format is more for introducing people into the CC format on a budget with "shorter" games. I say "shorter" because I've seen blitz games go longer than CC games. Nothing more fun than watching two oldhims go at each other in blitz....
Of course, I could be wrong and this format could be something that can stand on its own and one day be adopted by LSS. Possibly making its way into a tournament scene. That'd be cool.
Can't wait to chat about this. IMHO commoner is a higher deckbuild skill, vs. clash being a hero choice/skill gap.
This has more or less put a format to what we play within my local group. We play blitz but make it a point to not play with expensive cards, basically anything costing more than about 30 dollars per card currently. We use that price as a bit of an LL rotation in our own way, if it becomes meta enough that it costs more than $30 its a living legend card haha and it also encourages us to play different decks. No other restrictions though! I like how Clash can still keep a lot of the flavor of the heroes in tact.
I really wanted clash to be accepted by lss
I've yelled at the cloud to instead have commoner be common and rare from the start ahah.
People get too attached to the name "Commoner". Rares are dirt cheap
Thanks for the video!
The only issue with Clash right now is that the ruleset has not been updated in several months.
It still uses the Skirmish 7 experimental ruleset for Blitz, instead of new Blitz and it has 0 notes regarding Bright Lights (not that it needs any).
Wait, I'm used to reading dates as DD/MM/YY and that 10/06/23 confused me.
It might be October 6th, in which case it was updated last month lol.
@@guilandarcanaits actually last updated on oct 6
We'll be relooking at Clash every set release. If the communities consensus is that things need to change (as it was with Rosetta Thorn) then the update will go in a release that corresponds with a new set. Hope that helps!
@@Nathaniel_theClashGuyhello ! Thanks a lot for that answer, I am very keen to get my playgroup into that format, is there any articles coverage you think you could start doing to help promote the game like tier lists or what people at fabrec have been doing with commoner?
Keep up the good work ❤
How shapeshifter lady work. She can’t just use every specialization?
She can use any card that says Specialization on it. It's just the "Honourary" ones (CnC and the Figments) that don't work in Shiyana
I've not tried Clash yet. It intrigues me a bit though.
Clash sounds like the format of Heavy Hitters.
Thank you 🙏
As fun as this is, benji would be way too oppressive most common equipment won't block at all or just block 1 so I can only think how easy it will be to dominate with a tiger deck
Clash decks also keep so much more of their "feel" compared to commoner. I hope stores can run it for armories one day.
I'd say just run it as Commoner and don't fill in the heroes if someone is playing one not legal in Commoner
While I enjoy clash, I think its lack of support and “make rules as you go” is why we quit playing it locally. This is the first time I’ve heard “Rosetta is locked to briar” lol
I like this, a lot.
fucking gnarly vid
As someone who *only* plays commoner - Clash might be cool, it might not (never played it), but its already insanely hard to find IRL commoner rounds as is and that is with LSS support. Finding people to regularly play clash with IRL seems not even worth the effort of building the deck. With a playerbase this small (especially outside of north america) introducing new formats is novel but ultimately very hard to grip people.
About Clash: I personally like the hero specs exception the most for flavor reasons, but I can see how this could entirely wreck the balance of a format if for reasons undefined a hero gets 6 majestic specs while others are limited to rare-powerlvl cards. I also think commoner already suffers from the problem that despite it being imo the perfect entry point for new players there is a very small amount of entry level accessible content around it, with clash being even more rare of a topic.
I have long held that this should just be the deck building rules of Blitz. If Blitz is supposed to be a competitive-minded, budget-friendly, starter version of CC, then why do I need $250 to put up wins at my weekly FaB night? How do we make this happen? :P
I think that Blitz is fine having access to all cards in the game, the format is still cheaper than CC. But Clash is a good option for those who aren't as involved in FaB as someone like myself
I think Clash can also be a better format for UPF
Damn, why did my stupid brain read commander not commoner 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ thy though ❤
The best format by far, cheap decks, lots of fun, and competitive games.
So only difference from blitz is that no legendaries right?
Rares and commons only. Specialization can be any rarity (Majestic, Legendary)
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Dromai is actually a strong commoner decks, without all those ridiculous dragons. I'd say the only hero that has issues without rares is Viserai without Mauvrion Skies. My personal opinion is that commoner is a drastically better format even before considering cost and simplification of what's legal to play. I do hope everyone enjoys any way to play though, FaB is just the best game.
Here's to everyone loving whatever format works for them. :)
Vynsett is quite unplayable too and illusionist get wrecked by popper heavy decks
so Vynsett is just as playable as every other format?
@@playtimetcg it's far worse trust me 😅
@adrianoizzi6142 I'll see what I can do building her in commoner and get back to you
It's not officially supported...there we go...as fun as it is I doubt many LGS will cater to this custom made format...
I think if there's enough player interest they might. It will take time and not every LGS will pick it up, but mine has
Not a fan of formats where I need to look up if specific heros can run specific cards and equipment
It's in the document and we try to keep it limited. Also Fabrary has all of it coded in, so if you are building a hero, never have to think about it!
LSS must replace Commoner by Clash, far superior format!
I tried to push this game higher into my lgs and surrounding stores and all, including their die-hard commander players, all said the game sucks and convinced store owners to sell off all product the have and drop the game so I can't play locally. Yeah there's talishar, but the games meant to be played in person. Another great game destroyed by commander players. May not be dead but as long as commander players exist, they are going all in on destroying any game that will threaten their "fun"
As a former Commander player: Commander players are indeed the worst lol
commoner is fun until it's ira/dash dominated