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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- To round out exotic armor, hunter is up last! Despite being arguably the weakest of the three classes when it comes to fundamental endgame exotics, hunter still offers some interesting discussion when it comes to exotic armor.
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00:00 Intro
00:15 Aeon Swift
00:40 Assassin's Cowl
01:28 Athrys's Embrace
02:34 Ranger
03:52 Caliban's Hand
04:36 Celestial Nighthawk
05:52 Cyrtarachne's Facade
07:22 Foetracer
08:55 FR0ST-EE5
09:43 Gemini Jester
10:29 Graviton Forfeit
11:17 Gwisin Vest
11:49 Gyrfalcon's Hauberk
12:46 Khepri's Sting
14:33 Knucklehead Radar
16:11 Liar's Handshake
17:04 Lucky Pants
18:22 Lucky Raspberry
19:05 Mask of Bakris
20:18 Mechaneer's Tricksleeves
21:14 Mothkeeper's Wraps
22:22 Oathkeeper
23:23 Omnioculus
24:56 Ophidia Spathe
25:48 Orpheus Rig
27:05 Radiant Dance Machines
28:26 Raiden Flux
29:24 Raiju's Harness
30:07 Renewal Grasps
31:10 Sealed Ahamkara Grasps
31:57 Shards of Galanor
33:00 Shinobu's Vow
33:47 Speedloader Slacks
35:08 ST0MP-EE5
37:07 Star-Eater Scales
38:39 The Bombardiers
39:17 The Dragon's Shadow
40:14 The Sixth Coyote
41:29 Triton Vice
42:36 Wormhusk Crown
43:19 Young Ahamkara's Spine
45:33 Outro - เกม
As a pvp enjoyer, I think I can speak for pvp players that we do not want things getting nerfed in pvp to be affected in pve.
As a PvE player, vice versa
@@jamescruz8678I agree it's the worst feeling
this hurt me with the ahamkara’s nerf
@@dereklol8310 I just got into how fun the ahamkaras was in PVE and now it fuckin sucks. Devastating
@@dereklol8310they made it legitimately useless now. Tripmines are already overkill for most red bars and too weak to one-shot most yellow bars in endgame, so the change really benefitd no one except maybe pvp players, but even then, they werent oppressively good in pvp.
I very much agree, void hunter NEEDS a better melee. It’s not like it would be totally out of the night stalker personality, spectral blades is a thing. Could just be one of those knives (or both cuz fuck it akimbo knives) and it does more damage to enemies who don’t see you, whether that’s because you’re invisible or just backstabbed them. Khepri would have much more use AND assassins cowl would be at all usable on the actual invisibility class.
Ooh i like this idea, i could see them add a knife that like weakens and marks an enemy when it hits them and weakens them based on crit vs non crit or something
like a legit assassin, invis/backstab bonus with a void knife would feel very nice. it might open up some new options in build crafting
Maybe they could do something like a dash that slashes with two void knives and applies either volatile or weaken to enemies in a cone behind the one hit. Kinda like an updated version of blink strike from D1 but void and having actual utility.
That's bothering me to from long time now ,not just void hunter we need more options
Khepri in d1 was awesome if you crouched you would go invis and if you melee someone from behind your melee would do 4x dmg on top of having a shorter melee cool down
YAS nerf really sucked the fun out of solar hunter for me. Been using it since they finally added more cure and resto options on gunslinger and I damn near cried when they announced that nerf. Literally used to be the most fun and dynamic ability spam build imo.
If it makes you feel any better, YAS is still a blast in solar surge strikes. Try using it with parasite to make up for the loss of ability spam damage. But if we’re talking real endgame stuff then yea it’s done.
@chiccimusnuggimus9055 yeah to me it was the only ability based gunslinger build that was endgame viable.
@@chiccimusnuggimus9055yeah but it cant be used for a budget starfire with a demo rocket. glass cannon playstyle. now its just dogshit ad clear. (YAS was a hands down fav exotic)
Have you considered calibans hand
@@vincentque1238 explosive knife kinda sucks in endgame content
I think the effect of Lucky Raspberry is misunderstood. The arcbolt grenade itself does not refund energy anymore, you need jolt damage procs. Paired with a voltshot weapon against ads, it's a very fast recharge, against tankier enemies, you can pop an arcbolt roughly every 5 seconds or less. Takes 5 jolt ticks to refund I believe, maybe less.
I'll certainly try it out next season when I reevaluate my lists! Thanks for your feedback
Seconded, raspberry is kinda nuts now as long as you're rocking voltshot.
Yeah when you have two jolt on field you can have unlimited grenade
Agreed
@@forcheats155Not many cheaters in the game bro, the gap between bad players and good players is huge though
In regards to the YAS nerf: Even in PvP, the issue was that the Tripmines had more health than a player, which essentially forced you to just run into them. They could have just removed the massive health buff they had to nerf them effectively.
Bonehead nerf from Bungie.
... which they did, along with neutering it in PvE for no reason
They did the other nerf *for* PvE, they knew what they were doing. Bungie hates fun
legit senseless change. just absolutely nerfed it into the ground when it wasnt anywhere near being the strongest build out there
YAS was my favorite exotic in the game, it's what got me to start playing the other classes after being a warlock only main for 2000 hours. It was so incredibly fun and unique despite being far from overpowered. So frustrating.
I've been playing this game for 3 year's I know I'm not the most veteran player but men, I feel the same pain, I played 1500 hours just using YAS, those hours where by far my favorite experience, playing with my friends nightfalls GM, doing all the dungeons flawless men ahamkara was the reason to play this came... But now, the most infernal nerf just because ppl crying in pvp... This game is not funny anymore, I can't find a build now like, interactive build, like, doing things, like, playing the game all the other builds are sooooo boring, you just do anything and your are obligated to play the braindead void build
Blight Ranger above Orpheus and Omnioculus is actually insane 💀
Yea it really shouldn't
BLIGHT RANGER SWEEEPS
Omni is definitely a crutch that allows you to avoid all combatants while having your dodge pretty much the entire time. His tiers are usually unkind to crutch exotics if they don't increase your power.
But putting Orpheus Rigs hurts my soul. Orpheus Deadshots can last for a long time if placed correctly and give you back your super in it's entirety. I can shoot multiple Deadshots in ad-dense encounters.
@@goodvibesrav worst exotic armor in the game
@@subzero4190295 Apotheosis Veil exists
it's noteworthy how many exotics hunter has that are at least B tier. there's so many ways to play that are at least valid even if they're not optimal, and lots of fun loadout swap things to do as well.
1000% agree on stompees, it's silly that we have to use them all the time for neutral gameplay just to keep up... but you do, so they're on
12:54 The void melee is absolutely the most out of place part of the nightstalker kit, and I've repeatedly written about how it'd be the simplest change to make smoke bomb into a bladed melee. I think that R6 has some character with a Kunai that is also a smoke trap wherever it sticks. Like, just giving nightstalker a more satisfying projectile to throw with a better trajectory and incentive to land direct hits is what it has needed for a long time, and it can be done without removing any of the current effects (can still be a proximity smoke bomb like the explosive knife). The current limp throw smoke bomb is just not satisfying to use.
I think smoke bomb actually make sense with the design intent Bungie gave the Void Hunter as a Debuff/Support subclass for Hunter that other Hunter subclasses just don't do nearly as well. Its not designed to be an aggressive class like Arc or Solar and I feel like a lot of players don't understand that. Though, another melee option would be a nice bonus. If we look at the Stasis and Strand Hunter's melees. For example, those melees don't do a lot of damage but apply debuffs which synergize with the gameplay of the class. Same with smoke bomb (its not designed to be a damage tool, its meant to be a utility piece to debuff enemies or turn allies invisible).
Fully agree!
If you're talking about Azami, her kunai is basically Arbor Warden (throwable barricade), not smoke.
I'm just glad he showed the appropriate amount love to Caliban's Hand. I didn't want it in anything below B Tier
My problem with Oathkeeper is that they boost total damage on a primary weapon with infinite ammo, but cause DPS to drop. You do better Wish-Ender DPS just firing within the normal perfect draw window. This means the gauntlets are only useful if you are very slowly picking enemies off by peeking every 5-7 seconds to fire one arrow. It's not a very exciting way to play. If I want to get the most damage I can out of an infinite ammo primary I'd much rather get the burst damage from Lucky Pants on Warden's Law or Malfeasance. At least I can run another powerful weapon during the 10 seconds of downtime rather than just standing around a corner holding a bow shot for 5 seconds.
Edit: RIP Young Ahamkara's Spine. You were cool as hell, and far from overpowered in PvE. May you one day receive the Renewal Grasps treatment and be revived to your former glory.
Ngl Renewal Grasps with like a trench barrel, One-Two Punch, Cascade Point shotgun is actually really really strong. Also with renewed grasps, if you throw the grenade directly at your feet u can literally hide in your crystal and all enemies just completely stop attacking you. I use it in GMs, Master Raids etc. it’s not only good for taking out Mini-bosses with the DR and a heavy hitting shotgun but it’s also good for Ad-control cause of course it’s stasis. I think the exotic is severely underrated but I’m kinda happy that people don’t know how to use them and sleep on them so much. Gives it less chance of being touched by Bungie lol
Another renewal grasp brother
Tbh ive critiqued a lot of your exotic videos, the recent being armor and i think i figured out my problem. I think with these armor list you could have made a list of "GMs, day 1, Raids, Speedruns, Solo content" check off what each one is viable the most and rank them in order of the "best"
Something like this could make it easier to understand placement to everyone and let people know what is the efficient exotic to run depending on if its 6 players, 3 players or solo.
agreed.
Sounds like you should make a video
Check my most recent community post! I'm planning on doing this from now on :)
I feel like Bungie chose the single worst option for "nerfing" YAS. It was only ever a problem in PvP, and what they did to it not only annihilated it in PvE, but it's still just as obnoxious to play against in PvP as it was before. Now, instead of being brought to 1hp for 10 seconds straight from around a corner every round in trials, you get brought to 1hp for 10 seconds straight around a corner every other round in trials, which doesn't at all remedy the part where the damn thing brings you to 1hp for 10 seconds from around a corner in the first place. It feels like shit to play against in PvP, it's useless in PvE, and the annoying aspects it had went completely untouched, like the complete lack of damage falloff and the comically long scorch timer it applies. As a PvP player, I don't feel any better about the YAS changes than you do.
Anyway, great video, I loved it, move Lucky Pants up please and thank you.
Aegis, when are you gonna drop the Tier list Tiers list where you rank the tier lists that you have made.
Sixth Coyote finds use in strand hunter, having a second suspending slam is pretty solid
Foetracer with the beyblade aspect is kinda crazy too
Revisiting Threadrunner next season
Tricksleeves is supposed to be buffed next season, and the damage buff stays, along with insta reloading your sidearm. I think it might be viable.
Interesting
Apparently it still will requerie you to be in critical health to activate. If that really is the case I would guess it will continue to be mid
@@caiquepacha3606 I thought kills would extend the timer even if you arent cricital healh.
you have to proc it by getting crit in the first place though
@@caiquepacha3606yeah but it extends once you get your health back since now it's a timer, also you can re-proc it with kills supposedly in season 2023
Sixth coyote on stand using melee dodge and clone is amazing. Definitely should be higher than D imo 👌
Definitely reconsidering its position for next version!
Lucky should just give intrinsic volt. fixes the whole overload thing, plus being able to avoid -10 from spark of shock. It would feel much better that way
I think Athrys’ could use the Second Chance treatment. Gameplay loop feels way better when you stun barrier champs because it refunds your shield throw.
Yes please
a cool void hunter melee could be a short blink forward with a dagger
lower tier enemies could be overpenetrated with the dash but things like minibosses up would make it more like a pounce, maybe let it apply weaken or volatile to enemies hit by the dash?
I think it should get a crossbow
Cyrtaraqne facade is underrated. Having woven mail on demand without the need of putting yourself in danger is great. You can also start every encounter with woven mail and activate every buff that is linked to having it active.
Yeah there is absolutely no way it's below blight ranger. Sure woven mail isn't as effective in higher content since enemies hit harder but you still get a massive dr on a great subclass on demand.
Agreed. I watched all of these ranking videos, and was really enjoying them in the beginning. When it came to weapons, I agreed with more of his placement. But when it comes to some of his takes on exotic armor, he has me scratching my head. I feel like he based a lot of his decisions on speed running for endgame even though he says it also includes master raids, day 1 raids, gm, solo runs, or smaller fireteams than recommended. I won't hold it against him too much though. It's his opinion and I still learned some things even though I don't agree with everything.
Sixth Coyote on strand is pog
Mothkeepers feel fantastic on Strand Hunter, but honestly needs a buff on the overshields
Void overshield just sucks in general, low end content it's overkill but high end content it gets shredded like wet paper
Oathkeepers are terrible with exotic bows...? It does not boost any of the exotic perks, including broadhead, and you get a pretty hefty damage loss compared to just shooting twice instead.
Should be in F tier imo
This comment feels to broad to be accurate. Never heard of oathkeepers not boosting damage just because it was an exotic.
@@MalrosJade Oathkeeper boosts the initial impact damage on Wish-Ender but not the two additional damage ticks that come from the Broadhead perk. This works out to a fully drawn Oathkeeper + Wish-Ender shot doing 50% more damage than a normal perfect draw. This sounds great and it works fine if you are willing to move slowly and pick off enemies patiently, but with how long you need to wait for each arrow to get the full damage bonus it actually significantly reduces your damage per second compared to just firing on perfect draw. So if you can fire Wish-Ender on perfect draw your damage will quickly outstrip waiting for the Oathkeeper bonus damage, making the exotic essentially worthless in most content.
Another commenter also pointed this out! I'll make sure to reevaulate them next version :)
To your point between Athrys and caliban remember that weighted knife ignites any scorched target, so an exotic, grenade, or incandescent is getting you an ignition so it does have a splash effect but on a stronger knife.
I suppose, but I don't think that kit is typically played to scorch then knife every target
@@TheAegisRelicalso your knife regen with that strat is highly inconsistent
A build around Gyrfalcon's and Graviton's Lance, is completely mental for ad clear and in confined spaces where you get rushed by mobs of ads, a single kill can start a chain reaction which keeps killing ALL the ads coming at you, until there are none left.
Sixth Coyote is EXTREMELY underrated on Strand with clones, its effectively a offensive invis cause enemies focus it and basically ignore you along with free threadlings. not D tier imo.
what good is effective invis on a subclass with 0 damage or addclear?
@@1votdopeningfan138 fun, you can do damage, tangle balls, knife go brr.
0 dmg and add clear is hella reaching... @@1votdopeningfan138
@@Dee-Mellowthey just don't know haha
a Nightstalker charged melee that deals increased damage for each Void Buff you have or Debuff on your target or something would be fun. To play more into the melee buff play style portion of stylish executioner
Oathkeepers should be in F tier, not only is it worse dps to use its exotic perk fully, but something that I see NO ONE mention is the fact that it does NOT BUFF EXOTIC PERKS AT ALL, this mean broadhead dmg on Wish-Ender which is about 67% of it's damage on a crit given the 2 broadhead dmg procs are slightly stronger than a crit, it does not buff Le Monarque poison dmg which is a substantial portion of its dmg, was like about half before it got its recent rework and its probably still about the same, Ticuu's sacred flame Explosions are completely unbuffed which makes up a huge portion of its dmg even with the catalyst which only buffs arrow dmg, Trinity Ghoul arc lightning chain is also unbuffed, Hierarchy of Needs also doesn't get the buff to its extra arrows fired through a Guidance Ring which is similar to Wish-Ender in that they are about two-thirds of the damage given that they deals just slightly less dmg than a crit although since they are AoE they can make up an even larger portion of dmg, Verglas Curve I've actually not bothered to test it out but I highly doubt the crystals it creates would get the dmg buff.
Yeah I'm reevaluating them with that in mind next season, people have brought that up as an issue
Omini B tear? Oh man... That thing is beyond S tier!
GMs, day 1 raids, master raids, flawless runs, solo GM... It makes all easy
We used it in crota day 1 and had one person use omni when transferring chalice when crota was shooting us. Was really useful.
Not for optimal play tho.
@@FeelGoodDivineactually I think it is because your entire team can do all the damage without worrying to die
Nobody needs it if you just oneshot all enemies.
If you can kill every champion without effort or ammunition, there is no invis required.
But it’s kinda solid if someone has it in a raid Team, in a situation where no damage is required.
love watching tierlists and then from aegis on top of it, i'm seated and will be watching :D
Heavy disagree with raiden Flux placement below Blight ranger and Raiju. Raiden Flux also buffs duration for arcstaff quite a bit, its like twice the duration so its good for clearing big rooms of powerful enemies since arcstaff does good damage in general with light light heavy.
It slaps in GMs. The fact that light light heavy can stagger barrier champs is amazing
Raiden is cool but sacrificing your exotic especially in an equipment locked activity for just a super buff isn't worth it imo
@TheAegisRelic but putting blight rangers above Orpheus rig just kinda seems wrong. Sure you shit out large orbs with it but that's it when with a Orpheus dead fall hunter you can shit out orbs and mass cc a room and get your super back very fast
The difference in orbs isn't even close, Blight makes 18+ super orbs for zero kills, the use case is quite different
@@TheAegisRelic but why would i ever waste my exotic slot for just orbs especially when it not suppose to do that
very informativ video, keep up the great work :)
About sealed ahamkara , it was around the same time luna auto load was , and it initially had basically no cooldown , meaning dot melees like smoke bomb acted like a budget luna rift . Post nerf in the current sandbox , It provides an alternative to dragon's shadow , thrown melees typically give less downtime than dodgeing , regular punching or ic dashing , it gives powered melee HITS the ability to reload all your weapons , make no mistake is still not that crazy but 7 seconds is alot shorter than even the lowest of dodge cooldowns post dodge nerfs ,I personally occasionally run it if the extra handling buffs are not very beneficial from dragon's shadow and rdm is not really in the picture(too long tte of a mag , not close enough to proc rdm etc) , I think is on a similar level of useability to sixth coyote atm. It has some amount of niche uses , pretty useless in neutral , and outclasses MOST (and i stress this word) of the time during dps.
edit: I think arc hunter's combi blow when charged actually counts as a powered melee hit even if you don't kil the thing you're punching (the actual melee ability not the stacks) , I am not entirely sure on this one but would be pretty funny if that was true.
Thanks for the historical insight!
Finally, after asking for a total of 1 day he's finally done it
the only thing i like abt liar's is the health you get on hit vs the health on kill for assasin's but you still get murdered immediately
Loving this series!
thanks for recognizing blight ranger for what it can do. i love popping my staff and getting "wtf is going on?" responses cause very few people try using it
I consider Sherpas to be part of the endgame, and that for me ranks some of these higher than they are, but other than that one caveat I largely agree with all your lists.
Thanks for the video
Am i coping for wanting a stasis exotic that makes it so every tick your SnS super does to a target increases the dlg of the next tick ? I just want stasis to be competitive, i just live its design more than anything else
It's not cope to want something fun to be more viable
Honestly, about the assassin ninja hunter fantasy, I think old Gyr Falcon's flat damage on invis was a better buff. Volatile isn't that strong anymore, and hunter really has not a lot of straight benefits for being invis (void 2.0 provisions) or doing volatile (like Controlled Demolition). Flat damage was handy, and worked with more weapons.
Omnioculus is forever S tier
gyrfalcons>
I don't remember the last time i touched those since they are just not worth unless you are playing with bad players
@@snipey8623same..
The only thing I'll hugely disagree with on this list is Orpheus rig, for team setups in GM content that you aren't speedrunning, and for specific GMs where ad density in very high, and killing all enemies is required to progress, like the battlegrounds they've added more recently, it's 100 times more impactful than Omni. Would I put it at S tier, no, but does it deserve high B low A, yes. It solves majority of the issues void hunter has with offense, throwing up to 3 grenades in the span of 5 seconds when popping your deadfall, crowd controlling the whole room, and being able to do that repeatedly every 20 seconds or so thanks to the super regen, is just something that can't be overlooked for people who aren't speedrunners.
Yeah it definitely has more use in less optimal setups, I'm planning on probably splitting the lists in the future to cover both aspects
I can't wait for in a year (if im still playing this fucking game then) for Bungie to say "whoops we screwed YAS too much time to buff it to it's pre-nerf state" like Renewal Grasps.
Or something else that's stupid like "In order to make YAS more appealing we are nerfing Caliban's Hand" like they did with Sanguine Alchemy and Boots Of The Assembler way back.
For YAS they could have just removed the DR on the nade and that would have been enough for pvp I think tbh but Bungie nuked it
i thought lucky pants was more of a damage check for contest mode raids like when hunters need primary damage after you've dumped all our main damage(heavy and special). it works great for that and thats always what i used it for. (hunter main btw)
It sort of is but the long cooldown between damage boost procs means that knucklehead(formerly Foetracer) pushes it out of its niche and doesn’t tether you to a handcannon
Like a lot of stuff here! But the Stompies being as high as they are makes me think you don’t do a ton of hunter- as a hunter main I’ve always felt like they aren’t necessary at all
For movement for raid jumping puzzles or anything. But I am also the weirdo who loves Blink on arc hunter 😅
the people at bungie who decided that yas was as powerful as ANTAEUS WARDS in pvp is absolutely insane. the fact that both were absolutely gutted makes NO sense to me at all. antaeus wards enabled 0 thought shotgun ape gameplay, while yas enabled... some more tripmines, and was a bit annoying. what. antaeus literally made you invincible for about 2 seconds on demand with no cooldown, how in your right mind do you think that yas is just as powerful??
I will say Athrys’ Embrace is a ton of fun with Conditional Finality. Pretty sure shatter damage with the knife is better than 1-2 punch and it makes for some fun burst damage/champ deletion like you said. Still niche and probably not worth it for most players especially because you have to raid
Yeah it's better on non-bosses
I feel like you’re really underselling strand hunter. It is for sure terrible for boss dps but as someone who plays entirely solo it has carried me this season. Whirling Maelstrom is great and will clear a room by itself and the clones will absolutely save your ass in a crowded room, literally every enemy immediately drops everything they’re doing and focuses your clone leaving you free to do literally whatever you want.
It'll be reevaluated next season!
Shinobu with artifact lightning strikes twice enabled you to spam grenades.
stompees are getting DR while airborne so more utility in jumping puzzles.
I've been looking forward to this 😎
Have you tried using oath keepers with wish ender, ticcus or heiraechy?
For for hierarchy it only increases the damage of the actual arrow and not the little split seeker projectiles. For wish ender it obly increases the damage of the initial hit, not the broadbead peirces. And for ticcus, it is quite unreliable to use because you need to keep firing to maintain the catalyst perk. Which barely lasts longer than thr time it takes to charge adamantine brace
These are fair points and to be honest I've only used Oath for its infinite perfect draw capabilities pre-buff in speedruns, I'll definitely give it a go in something like a solo GM to get a feel for its effect better
time to binge all three videos while studying for midterms
Solar hunter really struggling rn. After the YAS nerf. The only thing i really consider running with it now is foetracer
Stompees in A tier is lowkey scandalous.Athrys's and calibans are not comparable to have them ranked the same
I discussed why I put them there, it's not a super serious ranking lol
Honestly radion flux is pretty great for clearing ad dense room in gms gotta and can even 3 hit barrier in gm before they pull shield up id honestly give it B maybe low A
Yeah but it only affects your super sadly, not really worth sacrificing your entire exotic slot for just that
Lucky Pants being below Blight Ranger in B tier is absolutely wild. I'd have it in A tier for sure.
Lucky Pants is overrated imo, if it didn't have the OoL cooldown being so annoying it would be better (or if it still had holsters)
@@TheAegisRelic but the ability to delete champions and chunky enemies with a primary weapon in harder content is quite valuable, feel like it needs a timer to balance it otherwise it'd be OP. Each to their own I guess!
I agree with a lot of these but i have some questions:
-Do you rate these exotics based on how good they are in their respective subclass or compared to the overall exotics of the class cuz Gyrf is abnormally high on this list given how you view Void Hunter as one of the much weaker subclass?
-You did mention Athrys’s Embrace’s ability to stun Unstoppables when you rank it,but why not the same for Lucky Raspberry,Shinobu’s Vow(with the grenade jolt fragment) or even Renewal Grasp(extreme outlier given how it can stun 3 champs,technically).Like it would not completely change their positioning on this list significantly if any but would it have ranked any differently if you also considered it or is the chart ranked with those additional abilities in mind?
thats it i guess,pretty cool video,strand hunter eval was rad and based
Compared overall, Gyr is high because Nightstalker is used sometimes and when it is used that is what you should have on generally speaking
As for the other 3 exotics you mentioned those are baked into the subclass and not part of the exotic
God as a new player I spend hours staring at DIM trying to figure out what primary to use/farm, tough life as HC enjoyer, these exotic lists get that time down to 45m so that's dope
The amount of things I'd do in order to have Blight Ranger turned into a Gathering Storm Exotic rather than an Arc Staff one is insane. I got the ornament for brightdust months ago and I really just want a good excuse to put it on (it looks way too good). I really don't care about creating orbs because in most situation you wont be attacked rapidly enough to really create all that many and in front of most raid/dungeon encounters you have a rally flag anyways.
I'd love to know what scenarios the game currently offers in which the current version of BL is literally any useful.
Arthrys's Embrace is one of my favorite exotics but I agree that it feels kinda bad to use. It has anti unstop but at the same time incentivizes you to not use it for that purpose because of the ridiculous 2:17 base cooldown. They either have to give it some sort of Melee Kickstart effect built in or dump the stunning effect and replace it with more PvE damage. Also why does the damage increase not work against boss tier enemies? Like come on bungie...
Imo I'd rather use something else for champ stunning and just full send into nuking everything with it. They could also allow it to bounce between enemies similarly to withering blade.
Also can we get pre-nerf PvE YAS back? That shit was so much fun.
I'll never forgive Bungie for ol' yellering YAS. Proves they don't have a fuckn clue what they're doing imo
Radiant Dance Machines are super slept on.
As a void hunter enjoyer I think gyfalcons is the best solo survivability exotic in the game for example for stuff like prophecy you can use conditional or a strong splash damage gun to weaken the majors then swap to a void gun and grab the dark or light motes while invis
Yeah it for sure is great for solo stuff
the best content creator making the best video for the best class :)
Highly recommend trying Strand Hunter with Assassins Cowl it has nuts potential. It will surprise you.
Finally, another one! I've been singing this combo's praises all season, but I don't really have a platform or audience, so it's been a lonely advocacy LOL. I do think it's kind of carried a bit by Elemental Munitions/Frenzied Stacks, though, which make Whirling Maelstrom kind of ridiculous. Might fall off next season for that reason--especially given that we know there's Stasis artifact support, so I'm not sure how much Strand is going to be in there.
@@life-destiny1196 maven did a video on it recently
When the Star-eater buff came out where it only takes 4 orbs instead of 8 to charge, my reaction was just "Why?". I'm a hunter main, ride or die since D1. I still cannot explain why they thought that was a necessary buff. Not complaining, just confused
They’re also buffing synthos next season lol. Sometimes (though rarely) Bungie chooses to buff already top tier stuff for no reason at all.
The major thing I disagree with is Celestial in A tier because it is sure a swap exotic except why would I be on golden gun when I have blade barrage existing. It needs a damage bump, but for right now its a solid C tier option
Blade Barrage is overrated, pre-popped Goldie does higher DPS
@@TheAegisRelic Fair enough I guess I just find Nighthawk useless compared to just normal golden gun and for boss dps you are using other options. Maybe once the buff happens next season and I test it out I can see the placement
@@snipey8623the critical part of celestial is that it's all in 1 shot, meaning you can get back to rockets sooner. 3 shots take a long time in terms of DPS windows
@@ballpython365 For a raid scenario yeah but for endgame in general no its better to use other exotics and why I dislike it being in A tier. In gms you are not using celestial ever since it doesnt one shot anything important and you don't care about how fast you can get back to rockets. Thats more of an issue on how the tierlist is for everything rather than specifics but I cant blame Aegis for that
Lucky pants is A tier. Yes it is limited to a few hand cannons and has the damage every 10 seconds. However, there are no other pre requisites to get that damage and it always provides a super level damage on a single target… every 10 seconds. Plus its quite a fun way to play.
If they reduced the cooldown and increased the reload speed for HCs it would be a nuts exotic.
Better than foe tracer. You have to hit something with your ability and it only works on certain enemy types.
Maybe its my bias but all I see is more easily, readily and higher damage output than foetracer.
A side note: cyrtarachnes facade has a missed opportunity to give the hunter woven mail on dodge while using threaded spectre aspect. Just feeds into the whole “facade” side of stuff. This should be a proc for PVE only.
What if: Void hunter new melee option. Charge dash attack with void blade similar to arc titan falcon punch that does big damage at full charge and makes targets volatile. Or and hear me out… perhaps a slide melee combo with the void blade that does big damage and weakens targets on the follow up attack for a new aspect. One can dream
Man I feel like im going crazy with some of these placements. Strand hunter is one of if not the best GM content subclasses for hunter. Cyrtarachnes is boring but makes the build genuinely overpowered insofar as you can generate beyblades from miles away with the aspect that creates tangles on weapon kills while woven mail is active. Can someone explain how I'm wrong?
With Elemental Munitions it's not bad this season but it's still nowhere as potent as Arcstrider or even properly tuned Gunslinger
“Banner of war is very strong and immensely dominant. This is why we have decided to nerf Young Ahamkaras Spine” -Bungie
Great video. But there are some weird niche things that can raise up some exotics armors. Like perma super with Nighthawk
not cheating, just need multiple hunters with golden gun, every time they super they make enough orbs for the other hunters to use to regain supers and so on. pretty much infinite golden gun squad. @@forcheats155
Hunter verticality its awesome, but long jumps are always a struggle without triple jump or stompees so yeah I actually use stompees in pve most of the time
Ignorant newbie question here but... isn't erianas vow + lucky pants good damage combo?
Or it only works with kinetic weapons/is an underwhelming option compared to other specials
Eriana gets a reduced damage bonus from LP
@@TheAegisRelicOhhh i see, thanks!
Lucky pants stay at S+++++ for me, destroying everything for free.
Watching this series right before final shape and BOY do you have your work cut out for you.
Hahaha
Does Liar’s Handshake work properly now? It used to not work when Lethal Current was active, and they said they were going to fix it, but I don’t know if that’s actually gone through yet. Might help it to rank a little higher on the list.
It seems to be consistent as of the start of this season, finally.
@@life-destiny1196 Woohoo! I’ve missed using Liar’s so much. 😭
@@Ranger74352 now if they'd just change it so that lethal current could expend combination blow, arcstrider would be super free. that one's not a dealbreaker though, just means you have to pay attention
@@life-destiny1196 You mean how if the aftershock steals the kill, it doesn’t count as a Combination Blow kill?
@@life-destiny1196 I just tested it. They really did fix it! Dear god, it’s beautiful 🥲
Gyrfalcons isn’t the strongest exotic but if I want to have some fun doing a solo dungeon it’s the go to
Lucky raspberry is better if you throw Arc bolt on a champion or boss and sadly the intrinsic jolt is bugged so you need that 1 fragment to apply to regen your grenades faster.
So probably C or D tier
This isn't a super significant buff but one of the people in my clan that confirmed the stompee nerf to me says spines may be buffed to proc off radiant ability damage as well as kills
I hope so
Ive just realized you havent made any tier list on primary ammo weapons since youre a speed runner which is why i think you haven’t made, but if you can i would like to see what you have to say about hand cannons, autos, scouts.
Yeah I'm planning on doing something like that
Hard disagree with “strand subclass is the weakest sublcass in the game.”Whirling maelstrom carries hard in GM content. Plus with the elemental munitions artifact perk, you never need Aeons or anything. (Of course I know it goes away end of season)
Yeah, I asked on that video and Elemental Munitions wasn't a factor taken into consideration. The artifact is carrying Threadrunner pretty hard right now, and I think if you don't lean into that it falls behind the light subclasses (still beats stasis though). I also think it takes advantage of Assassin's Cowl very well but apparently I am insane because this has occurred to literally nobody else.
@life-destiny1196 Nah even with no artifact mods. Strand Hunter with something like Quicksilver or any decent Strand Weapon clears any content with great survivability. It has one of the best neutral games out of any Hunter Class with Arc Hunter with A Cowl beating it out simply because if it's possible to perform the melees they're stronger than Strand Melee. But Strand Hunters shadowclones take out aggro just as effectively as invisibility while providing a means to deal damage at the same time. Plus the melee severing targets is a huge 40% decrease to their outgoing damage. It's mega usefull.
defensive capabilities > offense. why do this whole divert aggro, debuff damage and suspend a few things when it has 0 damage. strand hunter is fun af and very cool but it has no use cases and gets outclassed at every turn@@admiraltraunt6150
I'll definitely reevaulate Threadrunner next season when these videos get updated!
Just to clarify, I did not mean to sound overly critical of your opinion. It's a game and we al have our preferences. Try Whirling Maelstrom with the new Mothkeepers gauntlets W/ Widow's silk aspect. Plus throw in Quicksiver and you have an Ad clearing monster for high end PVE content. Awesome Vid as well!
@@TheAegisRelic
Idk what build u were using with shinobus but when u build it right it’s literally infinite grenades, still has its niche but definitely worth building around if that was your experience with them
I can definitely revisit the exotic next season when I reevaluate :)
@@TheAegisRelic u should! Ik all of these videos are hella work and probably super taxing, didn’t mean to come off any type of way but Fr shinobus has been my sleeper pick ever since deep. Shinobus and forbearance are a match made in heaven even in a lot of arc surge GMs
If I post a video of me doing a GM (with a respectable time) with lucky pants, strand hunter, and crimson, would you be open to reconsidering their value?
Remember that tier lists are about relative value. I don't doubt that one could clear a GM with a similar setup, but that doesn't mean there aren't better ways to go about it.
That said, I'd totally be down to watch that!
If you have fun doing it, go for it! Although my threshold for potency isn't merely completing an activity - you can solo almost any GM on almost any setup in the current sandbox :P
good exotic armor videos
Insane what they did to YAS when lucky raspberry and Shinobus Vow exist
YAS was killed because of PvP.
I'm sure they're gonna bring it back to its former glory in PvE someday, but for now I'm just glad it's not an armsore in PvP anymore.
@@delta_1632it never was all that awful to deal with for me I’m gonna be honedt
its not that close
Shinobu’s and Lucky Raspberry aren’t very good in PvP which is why YAS was nerfed.
The most frustrating part is that they didn't even make an effort to try and separate the changes between PvP and PvE.
YAS used to be my favorite hunter exotic, then they nerfed the shit out of it and made it require kills (a death sentence in endgame stuff). There was no reason for that last change atop the health nerf.
I now enjoy lucky pants. The 10 second lockout is a bit annoying, but the damage is so fat. I basically use it and wardens law to get rid of the need for special weapons. I consider it an ammo economy exotic more than anything. It also does such fat damage to champs at no cost, so I use it with any primary I want that's good for ad clear, and my heavy weapon can just be whatever I want as well. Funny enough, I use it with void hunter to cover up the survival for a well rounded hunter.
Gemini jesters with the strand decoy is good fun in pvp
Though izi isnt getting the buff next season. The exotic sniper damage said only for heavy snipers in the twid I thought? Might be wrong I guess.
I hope it is! They didn't mention it being excluded
Was looking for a reason to take off Stareaters, still not finding one. Best all around exotic in the game.
Section on Gwisin vest made me laugh. I can't help but feel like you were overly harsh on Liar's. I've always thought the most valuable part was that you didnt need kills to get the healing but I can buy that that isn't relevant if you are playing optimally. Anyways gg thanks for the vid.
Liar’s is also bugged, and doesn’t work when you have Lethal Current active, which makes it a lot weaker than it should be. 😔
I have to hard disagree with your overall assessment of Void Hunter being worse than Arc and Solar Hunter. It has the best survivability of any of the Hunter Subclasses and has some good offensive capabilities with tether giving a massive debuff to bosses. Solar Hunter is overall the worst subclass next to strand due to a lack of easy ability loops and having to sacrifice thier grenade for survivability is ridiculous to me. Solar Hunter just feels like a glass cannon and definitely doesn't hold up as well as Arc and Void Hunter.
Bad take. Solar hunter gets knife refresh on kills for infinite knife spam. Along with generate orbs on melee kill and recuperation you get some nice survival
I think if you flesh out all five subclasses Void is squarely in the middle under both Arc and Solar and it's not close
void hunter inherently cannot do ad clear and invis is effectively a crutch,thats why omni is so low,like if you or other players don’t have issues staying alive then the gimmick its built around is basically useless/wasted.
think about how the best void hunter exotic according to this chart is gyrfalcon,essentially an ad clear exotic.thats how bad void hunter is.Meanwhile arc and solar hunter both can ad clear and do good damage in phases between,and while not having a great subclass specific exotic selection,they work wonderfully with neutral ones like cowl,SES or foetracer essentially doubling your damage on solar AND allowing you to do double damage.You cannot say the same about void
@TheAegisRelic disagree on Solar. The only thing Solar is good at is DPS. It has the weakest survivability of all of the Hunter subclasses. And Void, while far from the best, is still a great DPS option with Mobiues Quiver tether. Solar is a glass cannon and not a very balanced subclass making it very ineffective at endgame content. In endgame content, my priority is staying alive not damage numbers.
@foxbro789 Void Hunters get that and Devour without being a squishy glass cannon. The amount that Solar Hunter has to sacrifice an entire grenade slot are rely heavily on orb generation just to heal whereas Solar Titan and Warlock have healing effects built into their kit without having to sacrifice fragments and a grenade slot.
Well built and accurate list, good job. My two thoughts would be to put Omni and Cyrtarachnae a tier higher (Omni for team-wide infinite invis + DR and Cyrt being infinite, refreshable, no hit or kill requirement woven mail built around the high mobility of strand). Seeing Blight so high also feels wrong, but I suppose the niche it does have holds value in endgame content, so I can’t argue. Orbs are orbs. Glad this one turned out pretty good all things considered, so nicely done. I know it can be tricky to balance these lists in an objective way!
Nah this list is shite
@@forcheats155 just play console
Young ahamkara use to be my favorite exotic, the reason why i keep playing this game, the reason why i made all the dungeons flawless, the lost sectors GM flawless, all the nightfalls GM with my friends, this exotic was all the reason why i got so excited when my friends call me for play... Now, i don't have real reasons to play this game anymore, the insane ahamkara loop, the simple idea of *kaboom* everything, the survivor, the constant dps even when u are run out of bullets, I really hate pvp, i hate everything about pvp, i never said anything bad about pvv, it was for me like, one game mode that i never played but now, i have to pay and suffer the consequences of fuckin ppl crying about everything, pvp players are playing the role of being a victim about everything, they cry because this because that because EVERYTHING, it's disgusting it's stupid, i really hope to be there when pvp mode dies
I want to see with my own eyes when this stupid game mode get the last update
bro, if you're only playing the game because of a single exotic and you're this mad, you shouldn't be playing at all tbh 💀💀
@@tempestasha nah I used all the hunters exotics, like the truly exotics like renewal, like star eatet, like lucky pants, assassin's Cowl, gyrfalcon (the most braindead build), oathkeeper, barkis, Caliban etc the strongest. I played all of them several hours, and I can say, any other exotic is not fun to play (arc and stasis are great but I dunno, it's not my style) and of course this is all about my opinion I know those exotics are pretty good but meeeen c'mon, the risky and the emotions but also the highly rewards when I played with YAS... I can find another exotic like that, I'm thinking to stop playing this game but yisus all the money that I spend, all the hours went to a trashcan just because ppl crying in pvp...
never used stompees cause i always thought it was just a worse version of Bones of Eao from D1, so i dont feel like hunter's movement needs it for the most part. I'm also a weirdo who uses better control as my jump tho
Omni should get higher score, but at the same time there are only 2 places I use them; gm and master raids/day 1
Give void hunter a kunai that would go with what u were saying about the ninja type shii.