people being mad that they made the evil guy hot is... troubling, I guess? like please have enough nuance to know that attractiveness doesn't equal goodness and ugliness doesn't equal evil
I actually love the moment when Snow gives a terrible and stupid answer to the "who's the third" question. A pet peeve I have of media with a tyrant is that the tyrant is always far more intelligent than everyone else. But it doesn't take intelligence to become a tyrant, it only takes a willingness to be cruel. This moment exposes to us as readers/viewers that Snow isn't particularly smart or strategic, he was just willing to sell out a friend. That's it. That and his family's albeit diminished standing in the capital was enough to pave his way to becoming the tyrant we know from the original trilogy.
Great point. As someone who’s living in an autocratic state that is rapidly regressing due to the rule of a white old man and his besties, there’s not much intelligence there, only loyalty to the Don and unimaginable thirst for money and power
i agree i even saw a tiktok where someone made the argument that snow should’ve been “ugly” so they would’ve been able to easier view him as a bad person. WHAT?
14:14 YES. The way Rachel talks critically about her role is something male actors have been doing for the longest fucking time without consequence. Sometimes they’re even praised for it. Robert Pattinson’s comments on his role as Edward and recently Jacob Elordi full on trashing The Kissing Booth immediately come to mind. They hate on the vehicles that MADE them and nobody bats an eye until a woman does it. While I’m here, Jenna Ortega was also slammed for being critical about the writing of her character as Wednesday. I wonder what’s the similarity there??
YESSS EVERYONE WAS FREAKING OUT AT HER. and she wasn’t even entirely wrong!!!! It’s like people are just making up excuses these days to be mean to people!!!
@@hannawhite5020 everything I’ve heard about Jenna is praising her for speaking up and improving the Wednesday role, the “critiques” are from mainstream shills that don’t like the “lower ranks” not knowing their places.
I'm one of those people who criticize male actors for trashing the roles that helped them with their careers just like with female actors so don't say "Nobody bats an eye until a woman does it." There's a difference when Robert's and Jacob's *regret* of their roles vs Rachel's *hatred*. She was an ignorant, entitled, brat that hated a female character and movie that she was supposed to promote to the general public. Don't cry sexism and invalid people's criticism of her just because she's a female. Zegler is misogynistic for reducing Snow White's character as just a woman who chases after a boy.
Omg right? I remember hearing about the controversy - and then I watched the interview and I was like ".... That's it? Is that really all she said? Why are people so mad at her?"
I think he loved her in an obsessive controlling way. He didn’t necessarily love _her_ he more so loved the control he had over her. So when they where in the district and that control was slipping so it was his love.
He sure loved Lucy, but if she gave him any reason to lash out, he would. We just didn't really get to see it much since their relationship was so short lived. The look in his eyes when she mentioned being the one thing tieing him to the crime scene+ when the snake bit him. Also, you cannot tell me that that man wouldn't hold stuff against her at every disagreement( "I saved your life! I gave up everything for you!") and you cannot tell me that they're compatible enough to have a happy ending. They had a spark, they trauma bonded, they're 2 beautiful people. That's not enough. Good on Lucy for catching it early on.
I haven’t read the book but from the parts I’ve seen, I think he *loved* her in the book. But not in the movie. In the book, he expresses way more his love. He seems more genuine (he’s still a sociopath). I think the controlling obsessive love is book snow. But in the movie, my theory is that he just crushes on her. It seems so surface-level, and most of the time she was just a prop to him. Btw, now that I’ve seen the movie I can’t understand- fathom- the appeal of snow. He disgusted me the first 20-ish minutes, I got the ick (Tom Blyth supremacy tho)
@@diorchanelhermes trust me, he doesn’t love her in the Books. The movie actually made him look better. When you read the book you will see how obsessive and cruel his inner diolouge was to her. But I would highly recommend giving the book a read. It’s a great Story and if you enjoyed the film i think you will really like it.
So I went to see this with my gf on opening weekend. I've read the book a couple times, she never has. We got up mid movie (because the sodas are big and the movie is LONG) and I asked her what her opinion on Snow was at that point in the movie. Cause I thought the actor did a great job of showing just the right amount of judgy dochebag from the start but I didn't know if it was just the hindsight and all that. My girlfriend said "I think the movie wants us to think he might be good, but he can't be good. He's way too focused on his image, his family image, and getting ahead to be good. He seems manipulative." I think the actor got his evilness across from the beginning just fine ^-^
honestly I find it king of funny how she came up with a story showing how western governments treat their own people in their countries then turned around and went "actually they aren't that bad" when they're doing similar things to other countries while also ignoring the points she made with her writing
idk how exactly Suzanne feels about it for sure, since it's only one interview, but I am suspicious of her intentions now. If anyone has any more interview clips or something that would show more they should drop it here or twitter/IG/whatever bc I don't wanna discredit her work if I'm misinterpreting something, BUT it's suspicious in my eyes
One thing I feel this movie did very well is making ALL tributes feel very human. In the previus film the only tributs that realy felt human were Katniass, Peeta, Rue and Finnick. The rest were either just a bunch of peopole we knew nothing about, Career tributes or part of the rebel plan (meaning that for the later two they were either, ignotant, aware, or resigned to their death anyway). In this movie they instead gave many of the important tributes very breef scenes that made us understand a lot about who they were and the life that was taken away from them.
Honestly I think it had to do with the perspective the first movie was from katniss’s pov and from propaganda and stuff we see the career tributes just like she did. Arrogant and just bad in general
@@erinfrazier1439 The 1st person prospective definatly also played a part in to not giving much insight in the rest of the tributes. As for the careers, despite the fact that they are still victims of the system like everyone else, I realy can't bring myself to feel too much sorry for them since it was still something the decided to do, with the knowlage or the intentional ingorance of what might happen to them. I'm sure that there are a lot of careers in training that give up, just because they find the risk too great. Despite the propaganda I don't think everyone would be willing to risk it all to become a victor. At some point somepeople are bound to think to themself "This is too much, I can't do this, I'll let the glory to somebody else"
Also the fact that they cast a handful of disabled actors! & They didn’t make it hinder their character or make them get any sort of special attention. Such an improvement from the first book considering the disabilities of the main characters (Peeta’s leg and Katniss’s hearing loss) they ignored
The uniform skirt over the trousers made me think of the bottom half of a toga, so a neat callback to society in Ancient Rome. Lucy Gray’s dress looked perfect too: faded/muted rainbow with appropriate wear and tear if it belonged to her mother.
13:45 also feel like Coryo could have just said something like "when I was a child during the war I accidentally killled a man who was attacking my cousin over food". It would have been a lot more believable, morally forgivable for her and maybe made her feel sorry for him.
Oh yea but it doesn’t work cause he says he killed 3 people in the summer (I think he says “i think 3 in one summer is enough for a lifetime” or sum like that). I always thought he should say he considered himself responsible for the murder of billy taupe cause he kinda was by killing Mayfair but idk
@@emmadesjardins7750for someone who grew up constantly lying he sure was very straightforward with Lucy lol. From talking about eating glue to casually admitting murder. Just shows that she really got his guard down.
Tbh I really thought he was gonna say Sejanus. Because I thought we could hear his voice on the recording. So saying that he felt guilty because it was (indirectly) his fault and he didn't know they were being recorded or smtg...
As a non USA person who has never lived in the USA. I love how self conscious you are of the status and presence of that country in the rest of the world. And not to say that the people from USA are bad in any way, but the government has never stopped implementing colonialism on us others, and oppression and involvement in our affairs for benefits of their own. Even to the point of starting wars in other countries. As a Costa Rican I think people from the Us aren’t even aware that there was a war here less than 100 years ago because they wanted to make us a slave colony. And the explotation of resources has never stopped (not only form the US of course, also done by other” 1 world “ countries) It feels very rewarding when people acknowledge the the US is the oppressor in many cases and not only this ilusión of the country of “freedom”. (This is not to send hate in any way, it just to spread some ideas in current and past world history that it is I imagine not taught over there )
I suppose it’s probably more indicative of the space I occupy online myself, but there are a lot more people in the states that have a sense of self awareness of the US in terms of global politics than you give us credit it sounds like.
As the other commenter says , many people are aware , especially younger people… but as an American with family in Costa Rica and have spent time there , I do absolutely understand what you’re saying . Even those who think they are aware of the dark horrible history of the United States , still aren’t as aware of American-centrism that paints almost every other country as less free and less civilized. Sadly sooo many people in America are completely deluded by trump and the alt right , that white supremacy is growing in America again , it’s disgusting. Those Americans think in absolute colonial extremes .
@@CaulkMongler hopefully there are people who are aware, but the country is so fucking big that non American are not sure how much it represents. At least online, the majority isn't aware of most things, but it might be the minority of American being effin loud and the majority being silent.
From the start he saw her as his possession not a full human like him, in the books that's very clear. Even a key line in the movie is when Highbottom says "the district 12 Ruth girl belongs to snow" belongs, in the capital the distric folk aren't feel people. That's why in the book he spends so much time trying to differentiate the Covey's from D12 and closer to capital while still not capital so he can claim her as his property after the games.
@@blabla187 nah, you guys genuinely have a problem with glorifying war to a stupid dangerous degree and are scared to have your worldview destroyed...
Lucy G clearly said that she couldn’t stay with somebody no matter how much she loved them if she couldn’t trust them. That’s what I feel happened. She and Coryo did love each other, but she couldn’t trust so she left him. And I can’t lie… Tom’s arms when he was shooting that rifle… 🥵
im from the global south, and I truly consider the global north, specially the us, a dystopia. it’s so weird to me that people over there don’t realize it and then go and make a movie like the hunger games, that quite literally mimics the real world and not be aware of it. like, communism did almost destroy my country completely but capitalism is not a dream either jeez. i’m just tired of people associating poor aesthetics with historically left winged countries, as if their own countries 1) don’t look the same in impoverished areas 2) didn’t contribute to the state of the world. Anyway, great video as always!! I loved it and truly think the rant at the end was pretty much warranted. 💓💓
as someone from the global north, I love how people from the global south can see this without extensive media literacy training. 😅 be careful with american entertainment, it's propaganda
A lot of people realize it specifically those in marginalized groups mostly because our politics try to find new ways to try and eradicate us or make our lives harder like every 5 years, most of the people who don't realize this are usually people who aren't targeted by the masses (mostly white people in countries like the US and western Europe) and the marginalized people who are either brainwashed or think dick riding is gonna help them be see as people
@@scarletkittyeyesAs someone who is also from the global south, in what part of this person's comment suggests a lack of training in media literacy? just because something is propaganda, does not mean it is immune to criticism- especially as, being propaganda, people still fall for it, including people from the global north. Just a very weird thing for you to just single out. Most of us from the global south (especially central to south america) comment on the hunger games critically due to our countries histories being trampled on by very brutal periods of military dictatorships that were implemented on by the U.S during the Cold War, which share similarities to Panem's worldbuilding. I wouldn't call that a lack of media literacy so much as pointing out something that was very real and that happened to some of our cultures.
@Kappinna I am so sorry!! I wasn't trying to suggest a lack of media literacy training on the part of anyone from the global south. I was actually criticizing what I see as a lack of media literacy in American writers like Suzanne Collins. I find that without instense media training, most americans aren't just ignorant but very insidiously truly believe the imperialist propaganda and live in it their whole life. They don't recognize the struggles of the global south at all, believe in racist eugenics, and believe in white supremey and the beauty of american imperialism. Anyone can be impacted by propaganda and has their own stuggles with the information they are given growing up, but I find that a lot of other countries don't have the level of coercive control over the media like the US. We aren't even really taught about the glbal south at all and tons and tons of things are left out of historic education about even the north (usually ends right at WW2, excludes all genocide events, chattel slavery, and erases indigenous peoples). I apologize for phrasing it in such an ambiguous way. I am tired of having to teach other people in my life that basic american movies are lies in my daily life, and I wrote an exasperated comment that really meant to say, "I appreciate being able to hear the lived experiences and perspectives of people from the global south, because I feel bombarded by propaganda in the global north". Thanks for bearing with me, and I apologize again for it. As an american, I spend every day feeling like everyone in my life is brainwashed and sometimes in youtube comments that frustration comes out wrong.
Totally right and valid points, however the author did realize it, though. She wrote the books because she felt disturbed by the contrast between war and entertainment media. The book is meant to be a commentary on society, particularly in the US. She wasn’t unaware it was mimicking society, it was very much intentional.
thank you so much for speaking out about francis lawrence controversy because it’s barely been talked about enough. it seriously baffled me and ruined so much of my enjoyment to the franchise that someone who has been so involved with this story could not have a sense of conscience on what’s going on in the world. it’s seriously disheartening and we need an explanation from him
It sucks but it’s also unsurprising considering his consistent muddling and butchering of the very overt politics and themes of the book as there are adapted into movies. /gen
I think a lot of audiences just can't get over the concept of "hot protagonist is always good" even when they Knew Snow was the bad guy in the Hunger Games. Hot characters are often evil but they're rarely the protagonist in movies, especially in the West. Which, I think, is why "snow being hot" is such a hot (lol) topic.
@LisaFevral I had the same reaction. I thought it was adorable for the boys and elegant for the girls. Overall very cute but stylish therefore effective. It reminded me of Japanese children's uniforms, accessories included. The whole point of the garb is to show these are not just children but barely babies at a certain life stage. The outfit exaggerates the children's littleness, cuteness and defenselessness to make the adults be protective of them since they look too damned cute. You look at a kid wearing the thing's and your head thinks "baby", must protect. So you do. With teenagers the outfit highlights they're borderline adults but still youth since the outfit is a little weird. Therefore you treat them accordingly, these are BIG kids but still KIDS.
As much as I loved the hunger games I didn’t bother to read the book or watch the film.You’ve made me a little curious now though. edit: it’s weird that Suzanne focuses on the soldiers as the representation instead of the people they threaten and the countries they destabilized which would force real life children into hunger games like situation. Like has she really reckoned with her own desensitization if she’s not focusing on how the invasion of countries by the global north plunges entire countries into war in order to extract resources and enforce global power imbalances but the soldiers who’ve aligned themselves with the states mission.
yeah I'm not sure if she's actually seeing that we are causing real life HG in the world, bc of how much she focused on the soldiers that invade, rather than the general public
I didn't interpret that part of the interview as her saying it was her motivation for the message of the books as much as the motivation for the tributes + sponsor system. TBOSAS even has Snow realizing the people in the Capitol needed to care about the tributes for the games to continue and first implementing that system. The Capitol connects with the tributes like they're reality game show contestants, which is what she talked about just before the point about the soldiers. The question she was answering was about how she first had the ideas that led to the books and she seemed to mostly be explaining her inspiration for how she conceived of those initial pieces of worldbuilding. I haven't seen the rest of the interview, but to me the part shown didn't suggest the same militarism/U.S.-centrism you saw in it
Lisa, I love when you discuss politics and philosophy in your videos, you're very insightful... I think the makers of this (and the other hunger games movies) suffer from a big case of cognitive dissonance
Honestly I’ve been watching a lot of reviews on the new movie but I’ve refused to watch it. (Boycotting) but I did want to know how it compares to the book because it’s one of my favorite series. Like I said I’ve seen many videos talking about the fashion, storytelling, character comparison, the acting, pacing, etc etc… when I tell you that you’re the FIRST one to even mention anything about 🍉 I whipped my head so fast to my phone on my bed! I know it’s messy to talk about it but I’m so happy that you did! Please don’t be afraid to use you platform to inform and advocate the way that you did in this video. I’m sure they’ll be ppl who will unsubscribe but it will not compare to the ppl who find this video and will subscribe instantly like the way i did.
‘The Hunger Games’ is relevant but it’s like ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ of our generation. Things happened to a lot of people but we know who’s being heard in the ‘dystopia’ multiverse.
Well, it just joins THT. Argentina (where I'm from) has elected for presidency a formula that sopports the ideas and perpetraitors of the last military dictatorship (that inspired Margaret A' book)
Personally, I think the reason a lot of the west has a hard time wrestling with us being the bad guy is for some big reasons. 1 is ego, meaning they believe if they believe the conclusion that the west is bad, that means they're also bad. 2 is exceptionalism in that if it doesn't effect them personally, than it doesn't matter. Zombie by the cranberries is a fantastic song that touches on this... "it's not me nor my family". And 3 is nationalism to some degree, my country can't possibly be bad (looking at you American.) the point is it's a variety of factors and it's very difficult for a normie to see if they have some degree of the 3 mentioned factors. There's also a bonus reason where people show no concern because they're concerned with survival more than anything. It's all frustratingly a lot..
As an american, using the song Zombie (a song abt the deaths of two young boys during the Troubles in Ireland) where "its not me, its not my family" is about how the singer still felt horror and compassion for the families of the boys as specifically the american concept of being uncaring for others when theyre not related to you is. Really rude to the Cranberries. And to Irish people in general. I've seen this song used in relation to americans a few times now, and I don't really understand why. Also you completely misrepresent the American ppl. Americans don't want to see our country as the bad guys bc A. Huge amounts of propaganda and B. people don't want to see their country's actions as their own or see that they benefit from it. There are still many Americans who know otherwise and who are learning otherwise. Maybe the many protests for Palestine rn or the very obvious showing of the american ppls care for the Palestinian ppl where our representives dont at all is not being shown to other countries but our people do care. And are protesting our government in fact americans have been protesting against our government for a long time. Not all americans obviously but this feels disingenous
I loved everything about this video. From discussing the fashion to defending Rachel Zegler 😌 and I was especially pleasantly surprised and thankful for the discussion at the end. That especially is so so important to acknowledge and talk about. Thank you so much for talking about it and drawing these connections between The Hunger Games to worldly happenings, and how clearly political the story is.
Ah shoot, it's the first time I'm seeing this interview and I am kinda blown away how Collins talked just about how bad american soldiers have it??? I feel you, that joke metaphor is how I feel rn and I hope she will broaden her knowledge asap
THIS IS SO TRUE. fantastic video! we need to hold our creatives responsible for understanding the reality behind the tropes and struggles they portray in fiction!!!
As a person from a third world country, life at district 12 always seemed way too familiar to me. I see it around me everyday. I’m just a lucky “baker”. And imperialism is just part of our daily lives - some are even convinced is for our own good.
I was just crying earlier about how it seems like no one cares. How no one cares much about each other and other creatures and anyone that they don't know personally. It really seems like you care, though. And thank you for that. ❤
Honestly, as someone who’s worked for upper class people for a while and listened long enough to some of their bs, I think I know how some of their brains work. How they justify the mindset of doing nothing and profiting off of and supporting injustice. (Not all of them have this mindset, I guess, but it’s difficult to be wealthy in the global North and not somehow have profited off of injustice- no ethical consumption under capitalism, etc. etc.) Anywho, the impression I have gotten from being around some of these extremely wealthy people is that they’ve truly bought into the bs. Bc once you surround yourself with almost exclusively people in your tax bracket, and go to galas and celebrations where you get applauded for donating crazy amounts of money to things bc you know you’ll get the tax write off, once you live that kind of life for long enough, it seems like it’s incredibly easy for you to truly become isolated from the reality that, as you said, “we are the bad guys.” Especially in the US, we are told at every turn, even in school-though there have been some attempts to change this at different points in history- that we are the defenders of freedom and we are the perfect democracy where everyone is free and equal. And anyone saying otherwise is just stirring up trouble or complaining, when if they just worked as hard as you did, they’d surely become as wealthy and successful as you, straight cis white man from an upper class family. It’s shoved down our throats from a young, young age. So it completely makes sense to me that- with that overwhelming amount of propaganda, not being taught many critical thinking skills or to question our innate biases/the status quo in school, being told that the real dystopias are places like Russia, the Middle East, North Korea, China, etc. (not that these places don’t obviously have their own problems), and that we can “save” others from them using our military might- those people would feel entirely comfortable never considering that “we’re the bad guys.” Because they’ve never been taught to question that. So those who do not inherently seek to question themselves and the system they grew up in, because they profit off of it so deeply that they view it as a sort of almost paradise, and they are deeply comfortable within its structure since it has been built for them, also aren’t taught by anyone else to question this structure, (and they might recognize subconsciously that it would be uncomfortable for them to do so), meaning they could easily go their whole lives deluding themselves. Any challenge to the status quo is scoffed at and waved away by these people. It’s crazy how adept they are at deluding themselves into believing themselves and our society are the good guys. That turned into a long rant lol sorry
Omg I loved the video, I was waiting to hear your take on the movie ! Also I totally agree, having read the book and also watching the movie really makes you think about how good Coryo was at fooling people he was a good person.the actor did an amazing job playing him !
Really love that you pointed out details in the tributes' costumes that hint at what district they're from, I totally didn't notice that in the movie, so thanks! Same with the host's change from reporter to showman. You also did a great analysis of why the global North is much closer to being the Capitol than being district. I agree with mostly everything you said about the movie as an adaptation, too. My biggest concern before watching was how they would convey all of Coryo's inner thoughts (I thought maybe he'd make some more judgmental faces when nobody was looking at him, at least?) and the answer turned out to be that...they didn't haha. So yeah he definitely comes off as a better person in the movie. Although I don't think he started out evil in the book either. He had a lot of selfish tendencies and problematic behaviors and a huge thirst for power that I'm sure came from the trauma of the war, but he wasn't wholly bad until Dr. Gaul started grooming him. I think the book does a great job in showing when he actually passes the point of no return: when the narration switches from calling him 'Coriolanus' to calling him 'Snow', in the epilogue. Up until that point he had a chance, after that his destiny as a horrible person was sealed. Like you, I also felt pain in knowing Tigris' relationship with Coryo deteriorates so much, ahh! I think the reason why he ended up valuing power over everyone he loved has a lot to do with Dr. Gaul convincing him that humanity really IS always murderous and horrific. She put a problematic, traumatized 19 year old in horrible violent situations, and that warped his perspective of people even more; so he may well truly believe EVERYONE - family included - is dark and selfish deep down and will turn against him if given the chance. Cause by that point HE actually is like that.
I think when you look at the actor's face you can see moments where he somehow managed to convey Coryo's thoughts really well without it being obvious, like that moment in the cage where Lucy Gray is talking to the reporter and he is literally in the background(not even in full focus) looking her up and down quickly and looking at her with a weird mix of possessiveness and being pleased. Also his thoughts were definitely well written to be ignored by people irl who have been groomed to think that possessiveness and such is ok in a man, which is an interesting way to draw a parallel between power and gender relationships
@@LisaFevral Yeah, I agree that there are times where you can see Coryo's thoughts on his face, and I do think the actor did a fantastic job overall. The cage scene is probably one of the best examples, I remember thinking he was portraying a lot of book-Coryo on his face there. But like you said, in the movie he still came out looking like a nicer person than he is in the book for sure. Yeah, his possessiveness is almost non-existent in the movie, from what I can remember. I guess it's because he never really acted on that in the book, it was just a feeling we read in his thoughts, but it was definitely a red flag that got brushed over in the movie.
I've been having conflicting thoughts about this movie. The part of me that is still obsessed with the Hunger Games story just wants to see it for nostalgia's sake (the books are one of my absolute favourite series, they mean so much to me). But another part of me feels kind of uneasy about the fact that they announced a movie at the same time as the book was announced. For me it feels like capitalizing upon this franchise and turning into another product. Now, I did eat up the first movies when I was a teen, it was a fun time waiting for them and seeing them in theater and all, but as an adult, watching them feels weird. I didn't love the book, I like the themes SC explored within, but I wasn't a fan of the whole "romance" act. I think I might just wait for the movie to go to streaming because I'm not sure I want to spend my money on it abd see it on a big screen, but I am still curious. I also want to say, you touched on an interesting point that I have never seen anyone other than me bring up, which is the aesthetic they chose for the Capitol in the movie. I feel like so much of Mockingjay especially was lost because of those choices. I don't like that they made the Capitol look like 1930s/40s Germany/like a soviet city. And so grey. In the books one of the main aspects that Suzanne Collins highlights is how colourful and plentiful the Capitol is. There as countless parallels between the atrocities happening on page and the clownish style of the Capitol. Especially in Mockingjay. For example the pink and orange paving stones Boggs steps on, the woman with her exotic bird dress that Katniss shoots, the little girl in the bright yellow coat, or the baby blue buildings as the tar wave follows the Star Squad. Those things struck me on first read when I was 14, and no one seems to have noticed that enough to comment on it. It really highlights what you have said about the US and global north being the Capitol. That city and the Games are a capitalist nightmare. Making the Capitol look like a cliché mid 20th cenrury dictator's city in the movies takes so much away from that. The whole point of that book was that extreme systems are bad and we should seek more nuance, hence why Katniss killed Coin.
One of my favorite TH-camrs and people online. I just needed to comment and say how much I always appreciate your opinion on both fashion and history + a lot more as a respectable person who is well-versed + has a chill attitude. Also the whole post-colonialism rant at the end hit close to home, as a person who can't stand injustice either, I'm glad there are other people out there being just as empathetic. + Your looks are always gorgeous. Keep it up queen!✨✨
I need to share this with everyone. Love you and love your reflection at the end. I’m so glad to hear someone also is awake and understanding the absolute insane reality we’re living in instead of pretending like it isn’t happening.
idk if anyone's mentioned yet but in the scene at the lake the blouse looks kinda like a traditional romanian blouse, or a traditional slavic blouse since these are quite similar to my untrained eye
As a small aside, some people do think that no matter the provocation, genuinely good people will not murder (or steal, or fight, or whatever) and that the only correct response to being threatened and hurt is to hold yourself back. I remember reading a medieval philosopher who essentially made the same argument, defending yourself from being murdered by killing someone else means you committed a sin, so you'll go to hell. And there were two people in my class who agreed on the principle. Killing is always bad. This is a bad philosophy imo because it makes people responsible for being placed in a system where they're abused or exploited. "Well, yes, you were indeed enslaved, but it would be immoral to fight back!" "Well, yes, we were starving you by hoarding grain for profit, but you stole from me and that makes you worse!" "Well, yes, we did attack you and killed your family, but you assasinated someone, and that's a crime!" I wonder if those are the same people who refuse to touch the switch on the trolley problem, because so long as they do nothing, they haven't interfered in any way, and they're not responsible for the deaths of however many people are in the question. Because in that argument, if you don't do anything you're not involved somehow. I don't get that train of thought at all, especially the trolley problem bit, you're there, the whole idea is that you are there, and you are already involved simply by seeing that there will be a crash. The whole point is your involvement in the first place. If you lean back and do nothing you are responsible for the results because you're already involved, the outcome of the problem hinges on you and what you decide. You can't refuse to make a decision, because that means you made the decision to let the trolley go on. Anyway. Back to being able to understand that the global north is the Capitol; media literacy is dead and people can't understand a metaphor unless it's spelled out for them, and not even then sometimes. I love Hannibal the TV show, and somehow people deny that Will and Hannibal are in love, despite them declaring their love multiple times per season. Just because the word love isn't spoken doesn't mean it isn't love. And then in the final season Will asks "Is Hannibal in love with me?" to which the reply from someone else is: "Could he daily feel a stab of hunger for you and find nourishment at the very sight of you? Yes. But do you ache for him?" And people STILL didn't think they loved each other. And like, what do you want this show to do? Metaphorical language about leaving together, about being Achilles and Patrokles, about both of them being god etc etc etc wasn't enough, literally asking if one loves the other wasn't enough. What else could they possibly do? So do people miss the pretty obvious message? Yes. Am I surprised at that? Yes and no. Yes, because how the hell do you miss something that's basically spelled out? No, because people miss literally spelled out messages every single time.
People don't like her because she's an awful person and the whole snow white incident when she basically said she hates the original and doesn't like the character
@@datboi7160that doesnt make someone an awful person 😭 Snow White is the “love story “ between a 14 yr old girl and a grown man who kisses her supposed corpse in the woods cuz she looked good. Shes so valid for not liking the character . And no one is forcing u to watch the film. Y’all are so dramatic and ready to jump on women of colour for anything and then calling them evil and “awful ppl” for it
@@tonystonem9614 he was 17 and this has nothing to do with her race. Just saying "she's a woman of color" doesn't mean she can just do whatever she wants. I'm not white, so does that mean I can be hateful and not get any consequences for my actions? She doesn't like the movie nor the character so why is even playing it. When it could go to someone who respects the part
your ending point hit so hard to me! i think i mentioned before that never managed to finish reading the books because of how depressed they made me, but i did watch all of the movies at least once, so i do kinda wanna watch this new one to get the context too. though, now that you mention how tone-deaf & dissonant the people handling this franchise have been, my enthusiasm is a little dampened. i also struggle a bit with no bringing politics into my everyday conversations but it's...idk, astonishing i guess, that all of this time i though suzanne collins knew & was acknowledging how the global north -- especially the u.s. -- has exploited the global south for such a long time & that even countries like my own, mexico, despite seeing a somewhat lesser exploitation thanks to our proximity, we're still seen as the other. i have to wonder if this is how dystopian concepts in fiction seep into real life, if so many others aren't seeing the direct parallels to today & just viewing these works of fiction as pure entertainment & something so vastly removed from our reality.
Yeah I’ve only read the books once and I don’t really rewatch the movies bc they depress me haha also I hope Suzanne gets it and this interview moment was just a misunderstanding, however, knowing that she is always working with the same director and producer, I wonder how much they actually do understand about the parallels. Idk, I’m gonna hope for the best, but you never know with ppl who have only one geographic “polarity” in life
You went OFF in the last part of this video, everything you said was 100% so I really have nothing to add! Thank you for bringing conscience and common sense to your media analysis, I really appreciate the way you balance the lighter content (which we all need to keep ourselves going in these times) with heavier topics that can't be allowed to pass unchallenged!
I'm glad you talked about what's happening in the world and your stance, even without explicitly saying it ヾ(￣ω￣; ) ♡︎ it's very interesting how miss suzan is only talking about the soldiers and not once referenced the poor ppl of said countries.. like wow is she this detached.
Exactly, like 😬 Sure they were talking about their experience growing up, but now she's an adult surely she could have mentioned it now that she no longer is shielded? 😅
@@LisaFevral and they were send there for no fricking reason as they weren't gonna be a danger to the US at all, they went there just to kill and get resources, it's ridicilous!
Game of Thrones is revived through House of the Dragon and the other shows HBO is working on. Percy Jackson has its own disney+ live action show that looks good. Winx had its chance at revival, it failed.
@@rexibhazoboa7097looking at this in 2024.... very true, so happy that people moved on from s8 GOT AND FINALLY a Percy Jackson adaptation is done right ❤
Sorry for like my thousandth comment on this video lol but I had no idea that Collins made those comments! I’ve never doubted that the Hunger Games is supposed to be about the modern U.S. Lucy Gray’s identity as a Covey seems to clearly be comparable to the position of indigenous people, like when the host says she’s from district 12 and she’s like “if you say so.” And the themes in her songs. And the fact that district 11 is mostly Black and they’re treated the worst next to district 12? But they’re trying to say that we aren’t the capital after all the similar atrocities the U.S. has committed? Wtf. Like the capital may be a more openly horrific, satirical depiction of the U.S., but the U.S. is just as bad under the surface, and definitely not under the surface if you experience oppression and poverty.
I just discovered your channel and I love everything you’re saying but to be very honest I’m so distracted by your makeup cuz you literally look perfect. Drop the routine girl!! ❤
35:44 ok so weird, I was listening and I go and go pause it, then when I go play it again, the audio is muted 🤔😭😅, but anyway, uhm....?? Just because I don't have someone I know doesn't mean I don't have sympathy?🤔😟 In fact, I'm more worried that they haven't mentioned the people these soldiers kill? 😬 Like, she's putting on a whole lot of effort and not even mentioning the relatives, friends, and family of those that her dad was "fighting against"?
yeah, that's what was kind of bothering me, since I feel like people that are there, that we are taught to see as "the other" is the group that we need to have more empathy for
A month late to this video, but this is the one that made me subscribe! Love the fashion content, and your ending thoughts. It is crazy it is to see these things play out irl and people still act like Capitol citizens. Living in the US is quite the trip, people can really either grow ideologically from all of this, or double down in their nationalism and refuse to see how we are very problematic, and should hold our government responsible. Another commenter said this but it is SO tied up in ego, people take criticism of the government or their country as a personal attack rather than trying to be a part of the solution. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you for your commentary on the politics of this franchise. I think this is something important to point out and we should be much more critical of the media we consume.
Been watching your channel all day its staving off the misery, thank you queen. Also cackling at the daffy duck comparison how is it so accurate?! Ahaha
42:47 Literally I'm obsessed w this take and i agree fully, we def need to take accountability that we are most def the capitol. Also it's really sad to see Susan Collins say that like girl. The only minor thing i thought about on the whole capitol-pre ww2 Germany parallels was that the conclusion I draw at least is more that the capitol is 30s Germany not because they will become nazis or something but more that 30s Germany have been blamed for the first world war. This meaning that the people in Germany are incredibly angry and need a scapegoat enter hitler blaming jewish people, gay ppl, disabled ppl, the rest of the world. I see more parallels between the capitol being a country who have been harmed and therefore can see their enemies as non-human, thereby excusing any treatment, than the capitol just being nazis. Idk incredibly jumbled and im not the first to say this def but ya
I genuinely had to stop myself from adding more clips bc of time, but literally MOST things daffy says is something Coryo thought or would think ahahah
If I was snow I would've lied and said I had been "responsible" for someone's death during the dark days in the capital. Its easy to believe & shes probably not going to ask about it & technically its not lying. Or said something about how I didnt do enough to protect Sejanus. Like dude had all the options, but chose some cheesy ass answer that made her question him.
I think you're maybe reading too much into Suzanne Collins' comments on "the troops" and stuff. Like... TBH I do get what you're saying; like I was never 100% sure what her angle was, but let me put it this way. If there's one thing that really stands out in her writing it's that she understands how to use language to appeal to people. I mean, the central theme of the books is, I think, how we use media as propaganda. And living in the US, couching her description of the dread she feels looking at war within the context of concern for US soldiers is a great way to appeal to the average American. What I'm saying is, her caring about what's happening to your soldiers overseas doesn't mean she's *not* also writing about the "global south" and the standards which our militaries subjects them to. I also do kinda disagree that we're the Capitol. Not to try and gloss over how good we have it in comparison to the rest of the world, but like... there's plenty of suffering in the global north which can be traced back to a very small group of extremely powerful people that essentially control everything. Like the metaphor isn't perfect but if we were to be compared to anyone in The Hunger Games I think the average person in the west is probably more along the lines of District 1 / 2. We buy into the system, and gain some benefits from it, but we still suffer for it too, and at the end of the day we're not the ones making the bulk of the profit.
I watched this movie for the thumbnail caption. I love both the fashion and politics commentary. I'll definitely keep in mind what Collins has said when I do my HG book reread. I also remember she did get into some hot water for defending Lawrence being casted as Katniss.
I dislike Lucy Grey not because of her actions as a character, but of her position in the story from a writing standpoint: It just felt weird to me to have this pseudo manic pixie dream girl to be one of the central reasons Snow "snaps" (even if hes already a crazy ass bitch) - she feels so disjointed from the dystopian universe to the point of feeling like a fan creation to me. I will defend tiger lady with my life tho.
To be fair this dystopian universe is not that old at this point, and with the districts being less defined and controlled so it makes sense that there are still people like lucy grey around even if they are few and far between.
I honestly don't think that she is the reason for him "snapping", and she is just ONE of the characters that he decides to use in his head to defend why he allows himself to do worse and worse things. He continually tries to blame other people for his feelings, and Sejanus, Dr Gaul, Highbottom, Lucy Gray are all people he can blame for his "villainy", but none of them are at fault really. he had all these thoughts and tendencies already, and he just kept indulging them
I mean, its true that her role was to be his big "what if", but I dont think thats necessarily bad, since no one else other than a dream girl couldve pulled the stunt of getting him to actually feel something while not being comparable to katniss. Her selflessness, charisma and story drew him in and showed him that there could be something else in life other than what he thought. We get to watch Coryo get close to what would be an ideal happy ending, but then he spoils it. Lucy "made him snap" because she was his only other option, and she left him exactly because of his clear lack of character. So he just goes back on his old ways, but now he gets to not only carry this burden, but also be constantly reminded of her, since Lucy always had that greater than life quality that made her immortal. Especially through her songs. His story was worth telling exactly because of how different his life could've been had he actually committed to becoming a better man for her, and how this thought probably haunted him until his last days.
+ the manic pixie dream girl is usually attached to this typical boring-no purpose in life-protagonist, while Snow is at least interesting and gets stuff moving. Lucys role really was making his actions(cheating to his own benefit, etc- which he wouldve done anyways) seem more acceptable and blurry the line of justified evil for the audience, just for him to do something unjustifiable later. We're also looking at her through his eyes, so no wonder she looks like a big deal. I do agree that some of her sassyness in their first encounter could be toned down, but she's also a performer and knows that showing weakness would just make her an easy target, specially after being rigged in over pettiness. Later she shows her sweet and vulnerable self. We just didn't get to know more because snow didn't either
people being mad that they made the evil guy hot is... troubling, I guess? like please have enough nuance to know that attractiveness doesn't equal goodness and ugliness doesn't equal evil
it’s kinda one of those “you should really look in the mirror” moments
Quote of the Day: “It’s not morally incorrect to hate people who look good.”
2:00 😌
Usually its more fun
In summary:
Positives: Tom Blyth is a baddie
Negatives: people’s lack of critical thinking skills
need Tom biblically
I actually love the moment when Snow gives a terrible and stupid answer to the "who's the third" question.
A pet peeve I have of media with a tyrant is that the tyrant is always far more intelligent than everyone else. But it doesn't take intelligence to become a tyrant, it only takes a willingness to be cruel. This moment exposes to us as readers/viewers that Snow isn't particularly smart or strategic, he was just willing to sell out a friend. That's it. That and his family's albeit diminished standing in the capital was enough to pave his way to becoming the tyrant we know from the original trilogy.
yeah you're definitely right, but I can't help and make a couple jokes about it bc its such a stupid answer ahaha
Great point. As someone who’s living in an autocratic state that is rapidly regressing due to the rule of a white old man and his besties, there’s not much intelligence there, only loyalty to the Don and unimaginable thirst for money and power
Eh, he's got a couple years of grooming from Gaul to work on that, unfortunately.
people’s ability to forgive men’s heinous actions just because they’re hot. It’s honestly ridiculous.
i agree i even saw a tiktok where someone made the argument that snow should’ve been “ugly” so they would’ve been able to easier view him as a bad person. WHAT?
@@s_tarchive”so they would have been easier to view him as the villain” …we are so fucking cooked as a society
tiktok really rotting people brains omg
14:14 YES. The way Rachel talks critically about her role is something male actors have been doing for the longest fucking time without consequence. Sometimes they’re even praised for it. Robert Pattinson’s comments on his role as Edward and recently Jacob Elordi full on trashing The Kissing Booth immediately come to mind. They hate on the vehicles that MADE them and nobody bats an eye until a woman does it. While I’m here, Jenna Ortega was also slammed for being critical about the writing of her character as Wednesday. I wonder what’s the similarity there??
Yeah anyone who’s pissed at those girls will have to go through me, bc they didn’t say anything wrong AT ALL
YESSS EVERYONE WAS FREAKING OUT AT HER. and she wasn’t even entirely wrong!!!! It’s like people are just making up excuses these days to be mean to people!!!
@@hannawhite5020 everything I’ve heard about Jenna is praising her for speaking up and improving the Wednesday role, the “critiques” are from mainstream shills that don’t like the “lower ranks” not knowing their places.
I'm one of those people who criticize male actors for trashing the roles that helped them with their careers just like with female actors so don't say "Nobody bats an eye until a woman does it." There's a difference when Robert's and Jacob's *regret* of their roles vs Rachel's *hatred*. She was an ignorant, entitled, brat that hated a female character and movie that she was supposed to promote to the general public. Don't cry sexism and invalid people's criticism of her just because she's a female. Zegler is misogynistic for reducing Snow White's character as just a woman who chases after a boy.
Omg right? I remember hearing about the controversy - and then I watched the interview and I was like ".... That's it? Is that really all she said? Why are people so mad at her?"
I think he loved her in an obsessive controlling way. He didn’t necessarily love _her_ he more so loved the control he had over her. So when they where in the district and that control was slipping so it was his love.
yeah, he wanted her as an accessory
He sure loved Lucy, but if she gave him any reason to lash out, he would. We just didn't really get to see it much since their relationship was so short lived. The look in his eyes when she mentioned being the one thing tieing him to the crime scene+ when the snake bit him. Also, you cannot tell me that that man wouldn't hold stuff against her at every disagreement( "I saved your life! I gave up everything for you!") and you cannot tell me that they're compatible enough to have a happy ending. They had a spark, they trauma bonded, they're 2 beautiful people. That's not enough. Good on Lucy for catching it early on.
Yes exactly and it's supported by Snow thinking he preferred her back in the cage, like that's so effed up?
I haven’t read the book but from the parts I’ve seen, I think he *loved* her in the book. But not in the movie.
In the book, he expresses way more his love. He seems more genuine (he’s still a sociopath). I think the controlling obsessive love is book snow.
But in the movie, my theory is that he just crushes on her. It seems so surface-level, and most of the time she was just a prop to him.
Btw, now that I’ve seen the movie I can’t understand- fathom- the appeal of snow. He disgusted me the first 20-ish minutes, I got the ick (Tom Blyth supremacy tho)
@@diorchanelhermes trust me, he doesn’t love her in the Books. The movie actually made him look better. When you read the book you will see how obsessive and cruel his inner diolouge was to her. But I would highly recommend giving the book a read. It’s a great Story and if you enjoyed the film i think you will really like it.
So I went to see this with my gf on opening weekend. I've read the book a couple times, she never has. We got up mid movie (because the sodas are big and the movie is LONG) and I asked her what her opinion on Snow was at that point in the movie.
Cause I thought the actor did a great job of showing just the right amount of judgy dochebag from the start but I didn't know if it was just the hindsight and all that.
My girlfriend said "I think the movie wants us to think he might be good, but he can't be good. He's way too focused on his image, his family image, and getting ahead to be good. He seems manipulative." I think the actor got his evilness across from the beginning just fine ^-^
I actually think so too!
honestly I find it king of funny how she came up with a story showing how western governments treat their own people in their countries then turned around and went "actually they aren't that bad" when they're doing similar things to other countries while also ignoring the points she made with her writing
idk how exactly Suzanne feels about it for sure, since it's only one interview, but I am suspicious of her intentions now. If anyone has any more interview clips or something that would show more they should drop it here or twitter/IG/whatever bc I don't wanna discredit her work if I'm misinterpreting something, BUT it's suspicious in my eyes
whereeeeeeee?!?!??!
One thing I feel this movie did very well is making ALL tributes feel very human. In the previus film the only tributs that realy felt human were Katniass, Peeta, Rue and Finnick. The rest were either just a bunch of peopole we knew nothing about, Career tributes or part of the rebel plan (meaning that for the later two they were either, ignotant, aware, or resigned to their death anyway). In this movie they instead gave many of the important tributes very breef scenes that made us understand a lot about who they were and the life that was taken away from them.
Honestly I think it had to do with the perspective the first movie was from katniss’s pov and from propaganda and stuff we see the career tributes just like she did. Arrogant and just bad in general
@@erinfrazier1439 The 1st person prospective definatly also played a part in to not giving much insight in the rest of the tributes. As for the careers, despite the fact that they are still victims of the system like everyone else, I realy can't bring myself to feel too much sorry for them since it was still something the decided to do, with the knowlage or the intentional ingorance of what might happen to them. I'm sure that there are a lot of careers in training that give up, just because they find the risk too great. Despite the propaganda I don't think everyone would be willing to risk it all to become a victor. At some point somepeople are bound to think to themself "This is too much, I can't do this, I'll let the glory to somebody else"
Also the fact that they cast a handful of disabled actors!
& They didn’t make it hinder their character or make them get any sort of special attention. Such an improvement from the first book considering the disabilities of the main characters (Peeta’s leg and Katniss’s hearing loss) they ignored
The uniform skirt over the trousers made me think of the bottom half of a toga, so a neat callback to society in Ancient Rome. Lucy Gray’s dress looked perfect too: faded/muted rainbow with appropriate wear and tear if it belonged to her mother.
13:45 also feel like Coryo could have just said something like "when I was a child during the war I accidentally killled a man who was attacking my cousin over food". It would have been a lot more believable, morally forgivable for her and maybe made her feel sorry for him.
Oh yea but it doesn’t work cause he says he killed 3 people in the summer (I think he says “i think 3 in one summer is enough for a lifetime” or sum like that). I always thought he should say he considered himself responsible for the murder of billy taupe cause he kinda was by killing Mayfair but idk
@@emmadesjardins7750for someone who grew up constantly lying he sure was very straightforward with Lucy lol. From talking about eating glue to casually admitting murder. Just shows that she really got his guard down.
@@ahuman3064 yea fr like he really messed up lol, Coryo from the Capitol would never
Tbh I really thought he was gonna say Sejanus. Because I thought we could hear his voice on the recording. So saying that he felt guilty because it was (indirectly) his fault and he didn't know they were being recorded or smtg...
As a non USA person who has never lived in the USA. I love how self conscious you are of the status and presence of that country in the rest of the world. And not to say that the people from USA are bad in any way, but the government has never stopped implementing colonialism on us others, and oppression and involvement in our affairs for benefits of their own. Even to the point of starting wars in other countries. As a Costa Rican I think people from the Us aren’t even aware that there was a war here less than 100 years ago because they wanted to make us a slave colony. And the explotation of resources has never stopped (not only form the US of course, also done by other” 1 world “ countries) It feels very rewarding when people acknowledge the the US is the oppressor in many cases and not only this ilusión of the country of “freedom”. (This is not to send hate in any way, it just to spread some ideas in current and past world history that it is I imagine not taught over there )
I suppose it’s probably more indicative of the space I occupy online myself, but there are a lot more people in the states that have a sense of self awareness of the US in terms of global politics than you give us credit it sounds like.
As the other commenter says , many people are aware , especially younger people… but as an American with family in Costa Rica and have spent time there , I do absolutely understand what you’re saying . Even those who think they are aware of the dark horrible history of the United States , still aren’t as aware of American-centrism that paints almost every other country as less free and less civilized. Sadly sooo many people in America are completely deluded by trump and the alt right , that white supremacy is growing in America again , it’s disgusting. Those Americans think in absolute colonial extremes .
@@CaulkMongler hopefully there are people who are aware, but the country is so fucking big that non American are not sure how much it represents. At least online, the majority isn't aware of most things, but it might be the minority of American being effin loud and the majority being silent.
From the start he saw her as his possession not a full human like him, in the books that's very clear. Even a key line in the movie is when Highbottom says "the district 12 Ruth girl belongs to snow" belongs, in the capital the distric folk aren't feel people. That's why in the book he spends so much time trying to differentiate the Covey's from D12 and closer to capital while still not capital so he can claim her as his property after the games.
yes, I 100% agree
Normalise being critical of the Armed Forces.
@@blabla187yapp fest
@@blabla187 nah, you guys genuinely have a problem with glorifying war to a stupid dangerous degree and are scared to have your worldview destroyed...
Lucy G clearly said that she couldn’t stay with somebody no matter how much she loved them if she couldn’t trust them. That’s what I feel happened. She and Coryo did love each other, but she couldn’t trust so she left him.
And I can’t lie… Tom’s arms when he was shooting that rifle… 🥵
i call it a self-fulfilling prophecy. a lack of self-critcism and awareness perpetuates itself aesthetically and morally in a self-contradictory way
im from the global south, and I truly consider the global north, specially the us, a dystopia. it’s so weird to me that people over there don’t realize it and then go and make a movie like the hunger games, that quite literally mimics the real world and not be aware of it.
like, communism did almost destroy my country completely but capitalism is not a dream either jeez. i’m just tired of people associating poor aesthetics with historically left winged countries, as if their own countries 1) don’t look the same in impoverished areas 2) didn’t contribute to the state of the world.
Anyway, great video as always!! I loved it and truly think the rant at the end was pretty much warranted. 💓💓
as someone from the global north, I love how people from the global south can see this without extensive media literacy training. 😅 be careful with american entertainment, it's propaganda
A lot of people realize it specifically those in marginalized groups mostly because our politics try to find new ways to try and eradicate us or make our lives harder like every 5 years, most of the people who don't realize this are usually people who aren't targeted by the masses (mostly white people in countries like the US and western Europe) and the marginalized people who are either brainwashed or think dick riding is gonna help them be see as people
@@scarletkittyeyesAs someone who is also from the global south, in what part of this person's comment suggests a lack of training in media literacy? just because something is propaganda, does not mean it is immune to criticism- especially as, being propaganda, people still fall for it, including people from the global north. Just a very weird thing for you to just single out. Most of us from the global south (especially central to south america) comment on the hunger games critically due to our countries histories being trampled on by very brutal periods of military dictatorships that were implemented on by the U.S during the Cold War, which share similarities to Panem's worldbuilding. I wouldn't call that a lack of media literacy so much as pointing out something that was very real and that happened to some of our cultures.
@Kappinna I am so sorry!! I wasn't trying to suggest a lack of media literacy training on the part of anyone from the global south. I was actually criticizing what I see as a lack of media literacy in American writers like Suzanne Collins. I find that without instense media training, most americans aren't just ignorant but very insidiously truly believe the imperialist propaganda and live in it their whole life. They don't recognize the struggles of the global south at all, believe in racist eugenics, and believe in white supremey and the beauty of american imperialism. Anyone can be impacted by propaganda and has their own stuggles with the information they are given growing up, but I find that a lot of other countries don't have the level of coercive control over the media like the US. We aren't even really taught about the glbal south at all and tons and tons of things are left out of historic education about even the north (usually ends right at WW2, excludes all genocide events, chattel slavery, and erases indigenous peoples). I apologize for phrasing it in such an ambiguous way. I am tired of having to teach other people in my life that basic american movies are lies in my daily life, and I wrote an exasperated comment that really meant to say, "I appreciate being able to hear the lived experiences and perspectives of people from the global south, because I feel bombarded by propaganda in the global north". Thanks for bearing with me, and I apologize again for it. As an american, I spend every day feeling like everyone in my life is brainwashed and sometimes in youtube comments that frustration comes out wrong.
Totally right and valid points, however the author did realize it, though. She wrote the books because she felt disturbed by the contrast between war and entertainment media. The book is meant to be a commentary on society, particularly in the US. She wasn’t unaware it was mimicking society, it was very much intentional.
I would like to thank Tom Blyth’s parents and the casting directors who chose him. He’s disturbingly beautiful especially in his blonde era.
disturbingly beautiful is so good ahahah
the daffy duck comparison killed me jfc its so accurate
I laughed so hard at the comparison with Daffy!! Its so accurate 🤣🤣🤣
Coryo: LOSTH MY NUMBER
lol except Daffy is still likeable and a good duck deep down
thank you so much for speaking out about francis lawrence controversy because it’s barely been talked about enough. it seriously baffled me and ruined so much of my enjoyment to the franchise that someone who has been so involved with this story could not have a sense of conscience on what’s going on in the world. it’s seriously disheartening and we need an explanation from him
im honestly so confused by his choice here, and I hope it was some kind of misunderstanding of the situation on his part, but I wish he'd address it
I’m kinda confused what the Francis Lawrence controversy is would you mind explaining it ? Sorry if it’s a stupid question
@@emmadesjardins7750 yeah same, I'd like more context about it. Or some keywords to go look it up
It sucks but it’s also unsurprising considering his consistent muddling and butchering of the very overt politics and themes of the book as there are adapted into movies. /gen
I think a lot of audiences just can't get over the concept of "hot protagonist is always good" even when they Knew Snow was the bad guy in the Hunger Games. Hot characters are often evil but they're rarely the protagonist in movies, especially in the West. Which, I think, is why "snow being hot" is such a hot (lol) topic.
True, I think it’s good that many people addressed it online though, bc those ppl who never thought of it might start to
It looks like they took a lot of inspiration from Romani culture and dress for Rachel’s character.
The red suit with the skirt is soooo cute - i cant wait to see more people in it
it is such a look I almost passed out no joke
@LisaFevral I had the same reaction. I thought it was adorable for the boys and elegant for the girls. Overall very cute but stylish therefore effective. It reminded me of Japanese children's uniforms, accessories included. The whole point of the garb is to show these are not just children but barely babies at a certain life stage. The outfit exaggerates the children's littleness, cuteness and defenselessness to make the adults be protective of them since they look too damned cute. You look at a kid wearing the thing's and your head thinks "baby", must protect. So you do. With teenagers the outfit highlights they're borderline adults but still youth since the outfit is a little weird. Therefore you treat them accordingly, these are BIG kids but still KIDS.
just... "He wanted to talk?!" and THAT footage of Snow, I choked laughing 🤣
no but fr, lucy left for 2 minutes and BOY WAS SPIRALING 💀
5:42 Also he doesn't like that sejanus calls his mom Ma, but hes calls his grandma by a freaking nickname
And such a stupid nickname too omfg
had a "laughing at the same thing for different reasons" moment two days ago and the bitter taste of realizing it hasn't left my mouth yet
it's always so gross to experience
my anxiety for Lucy in the end of the book 📈
Snow has only two emotion in book: "pathetic", and "Lucy o luv u!!!...oh nvrmnd"
As much as I loved the hunger games I didn’t bother to read the book or watch the film.You’ve made me a little curious now though. edit: it’s weird that Suzanne focuses on the soldiers as the representation instead of the people they threaten and the countries they destabilized which would force real life children into hunger games like situation. Like has she really reckoned with her own desensitization if she’s not focusing on how the invasion of countries by the global north plunges entire countries into war in order to extract resources and enforce global power imbalances but the soldiers who’ve aligned themselves with the states mission.
I think its called writting an interesting story.
everyone else does that. Not a sin to show another side. She had done enough with hunger games trilogy
yeah I'm not sure if she's actually seeing that we are causing real life HG in the world, bc of how much she focused on the soldiers that invade, rather than the general public
I didn't interpret that part of the interview as her saying it was her motivation for the message of the books as much as the motivation for the tributes + sponsor system. TBOSAS even has Snow realizing the people in the Capitol needed to care about the tributes for the games to continue and first implementing that system. The Capitol connects with the tributes like they're reality game show contestants, which is what she talked about just before the point about the soldiers. The question she was answering was about how she first had the ideas that led to the books and she seemed to mostly be explaining her inspiration for how she conceived of those initial pieces of worldbuilding. I haven't seen the rest of the interview, but to me the part shown didn't suggest the same militarism/U.S.-centrism you saw in it
Lisa, I love when you discuss politics and philosophy in your videos, you're very insightful... I think the makers of this (and the other hunger games movies) suffer from a big case of cognitive dissonance
same here. it honestly makes me feel like lisa is more reliable than some "commentary" channels I (used to) watch, or at least morally consistent
Honestly I’ve been watching a lot of reviews on the new movie but I’ve refused to watch it. (Boycotting) but I did want to know how it compares to the book because it’s one of my favorite series. Like I said I’ve seen many videos talking about the fashion, storytelling, character comparison, the acting, pacing, etc etc… when I tell you that you’re the FIRST one to even mention anything about 🍉 I whipped my head so fast to my phone on my bed! I know it’s messy to talk about it but I’m so happy that you did! Please don’t be afraid to use you platform to inform and advocate the way that you did in this video. I’m sure they’ll be ppl who will unsubscribe but it will not compare to the ppl who find this video and will subscribe instantly like the way i did.
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‘The Hunger Games’ is relevant but it’s like ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ of our generation. Things happened to a lot of people but we know who’s being heard in the ‘dystopia’ multiverse.
Well, it just joins THT. Argentina (where I'm from) has elected for presidency a formula that sopports the ideas and perpetraitors of the last military dictatorship (that inspired Margaret A' book)
Personally, I think the reason a lot of the west has a hard time wrestling with us being the bad guy is for some big reasons. 1 is ego, meaning they believe if they believe the conclusion that the west is bad, that means they're also bad. 2 is exceptionalism in that if it doesn't effect them personally, than it doesn't matter. Zombie by the cranberries is a fantastic song that touches on this... "it's not me nor my family". And 3 is nationalism to some degree, my country can't possibly be bad (looking at you American.) the point is it's a variety of factors and it's very difficult for a normie to see if they have some degree of the 3 mentioned factors. There's also a bonus reason where people show no concern because they're concerned with survival more than anything. It's all frustratingly a lot..
As an american, using the song Zombie (a song abt the deaths of two young boys during the Troubles in Ireland) where "its not me, its not my family" is about how the singer still felt horror and compassion for the families of the boys as specifically the american concept of being uncaring for others when theyre not related to you is. Really rude to the Cranberries. And to Irish people in general. I've seen this song used in relation to americans a few times now, and I don't really understand why.
Also you completely misrepresent the American ppl. Americans don't want to see our country as the bad guys bc A. Huge amounts of propaganda and B. people don't want to see their country's actions as their own or see that they benefit from it. There are still many Americans who know otherwise and who are learning otherwise. Maybe the many protests for Palestine rn or the very obvious showing of the american ppls care for the Palestinian ppl where our representives dont at all is not being shown to other countries but our people do care. And are protesting our government in fact americans have been protesting against our government for a long time. Not all americans obviously but this feels disingenous
I loved everything about this video. From discussing the fashion to defending Rachel Zegler 😌 and I was especially pleasantly surprised and thankful for the discussion at the end. That especially is so so important to acknowledge and talk about. Thank you so much for talking about it and drawing these connections between The Hunger Games to worldly happenings, and how clearly political the story is.
Comparing Snow to Daffy is so GOATED, i don't even... especially since everyone compares that show to Seinfeld?? The big brain on you
I want to go down in history as someone who made that connection, thank you very much😌
just wanted to say your makeup is bomb in this one, u look so good
Thank you🤍🤍
yeaa really like your eyeshadow 💙
40:22 For them, socialism is when you have communal apartments and bland food.
They see poverty and go “is this socialism?”
Ah shoot, it's the first time I'm seeing this interview and I am kinda blown away how Collins talked just about how bad american soldiers have it??? I feel you, that joke metaphor is how I feel rn and I hope she will broaden her knowledge asap
I hope this is just an off hand statement, but I do doubt her position now and hopefully she has changed her mind or maybe meant to say something else
Wtf?? She’s so sick for that 💀
28:23 I didn’t expect to see Viola Davis in the franchise but she fits like a glove.
THIS IS SO TRUE. fantastic video! we need to hold our creatives responsible for understanding the reality behind the tropes and struggles they portray in fiction!!!
38:14 it's like how I hear how people don't realize we are also the fire nation from ATLA
That's whats so hard when translating a POV book to a movie. Those inner thoughts help a lot
As a person from a third world country, life at district 12 always seemed way too familiar to me. I see it around me everyday. I’m just a lucky “baker”. And imperialism is just part of our daily lives - some are even convinced is for our own good.
Yeah that’s why watching this series is not that entertaining when it’s way too real
I was just crying earlier about how it seems like no one cares. How no one cares much about each other and other creatures and anyone that they don't know personally. It really seems like you care, though. And thank you for that. ❤
Also, Free Palestine
24:44 fun fact, this kimono is from a french brand, I wore this exact same kimono on my wedding day 5 years ago :)
Honestly, as someone who’s worked for upper class people for a while and listened long enough to some of their bs, I think I know how some of their brains work. How they justify the mindset of doing nothing and profiting off of and supporting injustice. (Not all of them have this mindset, I guess, but it’s difficult to be wealthy in the global North and not somehow have profited off of injustice- no ethical consumption under capitalism, etc. etc.)
Anywho, the impression I have gotten from being around some of these extremely wealthy people is that they’ve truly bought into the bs. Bc once you surround yourself with almost exclusively people in your tax bracket, and go to galas and celebrations where you get applauded for donating crazy amounts of money to things bc you know you’ll get the tax write off, once you live that kind of life for long enough, it seems like it’s incredibly easy for you to truly become isolated from the reality that, as you said, “we are the bad guys.”
Especially in the US, we are told at every turn, even in school-though there have been some attempts to change this at different points in history- that we are the defenders of freedom and we are the perfect democracy where everyone is free and equal. And anyone saying otherwise is just stirring up trouble or complaining, when if they just worked as hard as you did, they’d surely become as wealthy and successful as you, straight cis white man from an upper class family. It’s shoved down our throats from a young, young age.
So it completely makes sense to me that- with that overwhelming amount of propaganda, not being taught many critical thinking skills or to question our innate biases/the status quo in school, being told that the real dystopias are places like Russia, the Middle East, North Korea, China, etc. (not that these places don’t obviously have their own problems), and that we can “save” others from them using our military might- those people would feel entirely comfortable never considering that “we’re the bad guys.” Because they’ve never been taught to question that. So those who do not inherently seek to question themselves and the system they grew up in, because they profit off of it so deeply that they view it as a sort of almost paradise, and they are deeply comfortable within its structure since it has been built for them, also aren’t taught by anyone else to question this structure, (and they might recognize subconsciously that it would be uncomfortable for them to do so), meaning they could easily go their whole lives deluding themselves. Any challenge to the status quo is scoffed at and waved away by these people. It’s crazy how adept they are at deluding themselves into believing themselves and our society are the good guys.
That turned into a long rant lol sorry
Omg I loved the video, I was waiting to hear your take on the movie ! Also I totally agree, having read the book and also watching the movie really makes you think about how good Coryo was at fooling people he was a good person.the actor did an amazing job playing him !
I think so too, good performance by tom
Really love that you pointed out details in the tributes' costumes that hint at what district they're from, I totally didn't notice that in the movie, so thanks! Same with the host's change from reporter to showman. You also did a great analysis of why the global North is much closer to being the Capitol than being district.
I agree with mostly everything you said about the movie as an adaptation, too. My biggest concern before watching was how they would convey all of Coryo's inner thoughts (I thought maybe he'd make some more judgmental faces when nobody was looking at him, at least?) and the answer turned out to be that...they didn't haha. So yeah he definitely comes off as a better person in the movie. Although I don't think he started out evil in the book either. He had a lot of selfish tendencies and problematic behaviors and a huge thirst for power that I'm sure came from the trauma of the war, but he wasn't wholly bad until Dr. Gaul started grooming him. I think the book does a great job in showing when he actually passes the point of no return: when the narration switches from calling him 'Coriolanus' to calling him 'Snow', in the epilogue. Up until that point he had a chance, after that his destiny as a horrible person was sealed.
Like you, I also felt pain in knowing Tigris' relationship with Coryo deteriorates so much, ahh! I think the reason why he ended up valuing power over everyone he loved has a lot to do with Dr. Gaul convincing him that humanity really IS always murderous and horrific. She put a problematic, traumatized 19 year old in horrible violent situations, and that warped his perspective of people even more; so he may well truly believe EVERYONE - family included - is dark and selfish deep down and will turn against him if given the chance. Cause by that point HE actually is like that.
I think when you look at the actor's face you can see moments where he somehow managed to convey Coryo's thoughts really well without it being obvious, like that moment in the cage where Lucy Gray is talking to the reporter and he is literally in the background(not even in full focus) looking her up and down quickly and looking at her with a weird mix of possessiveness and being pleased. Also his thoughts were definitely well written to be ignored by people irl who have been groomed to think that possessiveness and such is ok in a man, which is an interesting way to draw a parallel between power and gender relationships
@@LisaFevral Yeah, I agree that there are times where you can see Coryo's thoughts on his face, and I do think the actor did a fantastic job overall. The cage scene is probably one of the best examples, I remember thinking he was portraying a lot of book-Coryo on his face there. But like you said, in the movie he still came out looking like a nicer person than he is in the book for sure.
Yeah, his possessiveness is almost non-existent in the movie, from what I can remember. I guess it's because he never really acted on that in the book, it was just a feeling we read in his thoughts, but it was definitely a red flag that got brushed over in the movie.
I've been having conflicting thoughts about this movie. The part of me that is still obsessed with the Hunger Games story just wants to see it for nostalgia's sake (the books are one of my absolute favourite series, they mean so much to me). But another part of me feels kind of uneasy about the fact that they announced a movie at the same time as the book was announced. For me it feels like capitalizing upon this franchise and turning into another product. Now, I did eat up the first movies when I was a teen, it was a fun time waiting for them and seeing them in theater and all, but as an adult, watching them feels weird.
I didn't love the book, I like the themes SC explored within, but I wasn't a fan of the whole "romance" act. I think I might just wait for the movie to go to streaming because I'm not sure I want to spend my money on it abd see it on a big screen, but I am still curious.
I also want to say, you touched on an interesting point that I have never seen anyone other than me bring up, which is the aesthetic they chose for the Capitol in the movie. I feel like so much of Mockingjay especially was lost because of those choices. I don't like that they made the Capitol look like 1930s/40s Germany/like a soviet city. And so grey.
In the books one of the main aspects that Suzanne Collins highlights is how colourful and plentiful the Capitol is. There as countless parallels between the atrocities happening on page and the clownish style of the Capitol. Especially in Mockingjay. For example the pink and orange paving stones Boggs steps on, the woman with her exotic bird dress that Katniss shoots, the little girl in the bright yellow coat, or the baby blue buildings as the tar wave follows the Star Squad. Those things struck me on first read when I was 14, and no one seems to have noticed that enough to comment on it. It really highlights what you have said about the US and global north being the Capitol. That city and the Games are a capitalist nightmare. Making the Capitol look like a cliché mid 20th cenrury dictator's city in the movies takes so much away from that.
The whole point of that book was that extreme systems are bad and we should seek more nuance, hence why Katniss killed Coin.
Loved the video! Also that lilac color looks AMAZING on you!
Snow loved the idea of Lucy Gray, what he could get from her, how she made him look…
One of my favorite TH-camrs and people online. I just needed to comment and say how much I always appreciate your opinion on both fashion and history + a lot more as a respectable person who is well-versed + has a chill attitude. Also the whole post-colonialism rant at the end hit close to home, as a person who can't stand injustice either, I'm glad there are other people out there being just as empathetic. + Your looks are always gorgeous. Keep it up queen!✨✨
Lisa's videos are SO GOOD. i'm always so impressed. these are the best video essays/analysis on youtube fr
I completely agree with you with the whole last section. It's insane that people don't connect the usa with the capitol.
I need to share this with everyone. Love you and love your reflection at the end. I’m so glad to hear someone also is awake and understanding the absolute insane reality we’re living in instead of pretending like it isn’t happening.
Your commentary at the end is just chefs kiss
This video was so good, I loved your commentary and passion at the end. Slay!
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I can relate to most conversations spiraling into a monologue about human beings destroying each other for no reason
idk if anyone's mentioned yet but in the scene at the lake the blouse looks kinda like a traditional romanian blouse, or a traditional slavic blouse since these are quite similar to my untrained eye
yess!yes i am in fact not insane!! thank you (i haven’t watched the video yet but the thumbnail is so validating, god)
They definitely didn’t manage to capture Snow’s beliefs and motivations at all in the film. He’s absolutely unhinged in the book.
Having the DAFFY WAS ICONIC
As a small aside, some people do think that no matter the provocation, genuinely good people will not murder (or steal, or fight, or whatever) and that the only correct response to being threatened and hurt is to hold yourself back.
I remember reading a medieval philosopher who essentially made the same argument, defending yourself from being murdered by killing someone else means you committed a sin, so you'll go to hell. And there were two people in my class who agreed on the principle. Killing is always bad.
This is a bad philosophy imo because it makes people responsible for being placed in a system where they're abused or exploited. "Well, yes, you were indeed enslaved, but it would be immoral to fight back!" "Well, yes, we were starving you by hoarding grain for profit, but you stole from me and that makes you worse!" "Well, yes, we did attack you and killed your family, but you assasinated someone, and that's a crime!"
I wonder if those are the same people who refuse to touch the switch on the trolley problem, because so long as they do nothing, they haven't interfered in any way, and they're not responsible for the deaths of however many people are in the question. Because in that argument, if you don't do anything you're not involved somehow.
I don't get that train of thought at all, especially the trolley problem bit, you're there, the whole idea is that you are there, and you are already involved simply by seeing that there will be a crash. The whole point is your involvement in the first place. If you lean back and do nothing you are responsible for the results because you're already involved, the outcome of the problem hinges on you and what you decide. You can't refuse to make a decision, because that means you made the decision to let the trolley go on.
Anyway. Back to being able to understand that the global north is the Capitol; media literacy is dead and people can't understand a metaphor unless it's spelled out for them, and not even then sometimes.
I love Hannibal the TV show, and somehow people deny that Will and Hannibal are in love, despite them declaring their love multiple times per season. Just because the word love isn't spoken doesn't mean it isn't love. And then in the final season Will asks "Is Hannibal in love with me?" to which the reply from someone else is: "Could he daily feel a stab of hunger for you and find nourishment at the very sight of you? Yes. But do you ache for him?" And people STILL didn't think they loved each other. And like, what do you want this show to do? Metaphorical language about leaving together, about being Achilles and Patrokles, about both of them being god etc etc etc wasn't enough, literally asking if one loves the other wasn't enough. What else could they possibly do?
So do people miss the pretty obvious message? Yes. Am I surprised at that? Yes and no. Yes, because how the hell do you miss something that's basically spelled out? No, because people miss literally spelled out messages every single time.
I’m joining the Rachel protection crew. Back off racists and misogynists 😤
People don't like her because she's an awful person and the whole snow white incident when she basically said she hates the original and doesn't like the character
@@datboi7160that doesnt make someone an awful person 😭 Snow White is the “love story “ between a 14 yr old girl and a grown man who kisses her supposed corpse in the woods cuz she looked good. Shes so valid for not liking the character . And no one is forcing u to watch the film. Y’all are so dramatic and ready to jump on women of colour for anything and then calling them evil and “awful ppl” for it
@@tonystonem9614 he was 17 and this has nothing to do with her race. Just saying "she's a woman of color" doesn't mean she can just do whatever she wants. I'm not white, so does that mean I can be hateful and not get any consequences for my actions? She doesn't like the movie nor the character so why is even playing it. When it could go to someone who respects the part
your ending point hit so hard to me! i think i mentioned before that never managed to finish reading the books because of how depressed they made me, but i did watch all of the movies at least once, so i do kinda wanna watch this new one to get the context too. though, now that you mention how tone-deaf & dissonant the people handling this franchise have been, my enthusiasm is a little dampened. i also struggle a bit with no bringing politics into my everyday conversations but it's...idk, astonishing i guess, that all of this time i though suzanne collins knew & was acknowledging how the global north -- especially the u.s. -- has exploited the global south for such a long time & that even countries like my own, mexico, despite seeing a somewhat lesser exploitation thanks to our proximity, we're still seen as the other. i have to wonder if this is how dystopian concepts in fiction seep into real life, if so many others aren't seeing the direct parallels to today & just viewing these works of fiction as pure entertainment & something so vastly removed from our reality.
Yeah I’ve only read the books once and I don’t really rewatch the movies bc they depress me haha also I hope Suzanne gets it and this interview moment was just a misunderstanding, however, knowing that she is always working with the same director and producer, I wonder how much they actually do understand about the parallels. Idk, I’m gonna hope for the best, but you never know with ppl who have only one geographic “polarity” in life
You went OFF in the last part of this video, everything you said was 100% so I really have nothing to add! Thank you for bringing conscience and common sense to your media analysis, I really appreciate the way you balance the lighter content (which we all need to keep ourselves going in these times) with heavier topics that can't be allowed to pass unchallenged!
Lisa!!!!!!!!!!! Ms Fevral! This ive been waiting for 😂🎉
the references are genuinely so funny and i haven't seen the movie yet
I'm glad you talked about what's happening in the world and your stance, even without explicitly saying it ヾ(￣ω￣; ) ♡︎
it's very interesting how miss suzan is only talking about the soldiers and not once referenced the poor ppl of said countries.. like wow is she this detached.
Exactly, like 😬 Sure they were talking about their experience growing up, but now she's an adult surely she could have mentioned it now that she no longer is shielded? 😅
I hope she's changed her mind or developed her view since then, bc I just don't get why we're talking about soldiers that we SENT there
@@LisaFevral and they were send there for no fricking reason as they weren't gonna be a danger to the US at all, they went there just to kill and get resources, it's ridicilous!
your compilation of that duck as coriolanus is amazing, its so on the nose im cryinggggg
absolutely loved the ending message Lisa! 🫶💕 i felt the same 🕊️
Honestly so happy hunger games is revived. Some shows deserve a revival
Winx
Hunger games
Maze runner
Percy Jackson
Game of thrones
Monster high
Doesn't monster high already have a reboot?
Game of Thrones is revived through House of the Dragon and the other shows HBO is working on. Percy Jackson has its own disney+ live action show that looks good. Winx had its chance at revival, it failed.
@rexibhazoboa7097 tbf winx didn't really get revived they just put 0 effort into making any sort of faithful adaptation
@@modanislove yeah but there's not much impact 😞
@@rexibhazoboa7097looking at this in 2024.... very true, so happy that people moved on from s8 GOT AND FINALLY a Percy Jackson adaptation is done right ❤
I just love you so much for the last part of the video thanks for speaking up
So happy to see you covering this topic after the Twitter/X discourse.
Just say Twitter at this point 😅
Sorry for like my thousandth comment on this video lol but I had no idea that Collins made those comments! I’ve never doubted that the Hunger Games is supposed to be about the modern U.S. Lucy Gray’s identity as a Covey seems to clearly be comparable to the position of indigenous people, like when the host says she’s from district 12 and she’s like “if you say so.” And the themes in her songs. And the fact that district 11 is mostly Black and they’re treated the worst next to district 12? But they’re trying to say that we aren’t the capital after all the similar atrocities the U.S. has committed? Wtf. Like the capital may be a more openly horrific, satirical depiction of the U.S., but the U.S. is just as bad under the surface, and definitely not under the surface if you experience oppression and poverty.
I can not believe that the point of the hunger games, went over the heads of the creators!
The daffy duck comparison omg
I just discovered your channel and I love everything you’re saying but to be very honest I’m so distracted by your makeup cuz you literally look perfect. Drop the routine girl!! ❤
ahahah ok I will, maybe as a short or a tt
I’m new to this channel but I really love how you contextualized this into current world circumstances, thank you for using your voice ❤
This might be my favorite video on your channel
honestly I snapped on this one eh ahaha
35:44 ok so weird, I was listening and I go and go pause it, then when I go play it again, the audio is muted 🤔😭😅, but anyway, uhm....?? Just because I don't have someone I know doesn't mean I don't have sympathy?🤔😟 In fact, I'm more worried that they haven't mentioned the people these soldiers kill? 😬 Like, she's putting on a whole lot of effort and not even mentioning the relatives, friends, and family of those that her dad was "fighting against"?
yeah, that's what was kind of bothering me, since I feel like people that are there, that we are taught to see as "the other" is the group that we need to have more empathy for
A month late to this video, but this is the one that made me subscribe! Love the fashion content, and your ending thoughts.
It is crazy it is to see these things play out irl and people still act like Capitol citizens. Living in the US is quite the trip, people can really either grow ideologically from all of this, or double down in their nationalism and refuse to see how we are very problematic, and should hold our government responsible.
Another commenter said this but it is SO tied up in ego, people take criticism of the government or their country as a personal attack rather than trying to be a part of the solution. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Was really looking forward to your review 😇 And you look great in this video, Lisa!
Thank you for your commentary on the politics of this franchise. I think this is something important to point out and we should be much more critical of the media we consume.
U deserve a standing ovation just because of that speech at the end
35:59 because I have this lil thing, this nifty lil thing, called empathy,sympathy 😅 (you know, they should try it some time)
Been watching your channel all day its staving off the misery, thank you queen.
Also cackling at the daffy duck comparison how is it so accurate?! Ahaha
Ikr it’s literally the same character ahahaha
Saw the community post and realised I forgot to watch this ! Fixing it ASAP.
i never read the book, but i think he was very clearly a horrible person from the very beginning of the movie! makes me scared to read the book lol
14:28 the blouse reminds me of Moldovan and Romanian national costumes. I was dancing they national dances when I was 16.😀😀💃💃
yeah It looks like Romanian traditional clothes!
42:47 Literally I'm obsessed w this take and i agree fully, we def need to take accountability that we are most def the capitol. Also it's really sad to see Susan Collins say that like girl. The only minor thing i thought about on the whole capitol-pre ww2 Germany parallels was that the conclusion I draw at least is more that the capitol is 30s Germany not because they will become nazis or something but more that 30s Germany have been blamed for the first world war. This meaning that the people in Germany are incredibly angry and need a scapegoat enter hitler blaming jewish people, gay ppl, disabled ppl, the rest of the world. I see more parallels between the capitol being a country who have been harmed and therefore can see their enemies as non-human, thereby excusing any treatment, than the capitol just being nazis. Idk incredibly jumbled and im not the first to say this def but ya
Lol im crying at the daffy comparison - why it so true lol lol lol
I genuinely had to stop myself from adding more clips bc of time, but literally MOST things daffy says is something Coryo thought or would think ahahah
If I was snow I would've lied and said I had been "responsible" for someone's death during the dark days in the capital. Its easy to believe & shes probably not going to ask about it & technically its not lying. Or said something about how I didnt do enough to protect Sejanus. Like dude had all the options, but chose some cheesy ass answer that made her question him.
your hair is sooooo pretty, as well as your make up!!!
can you make a tutorial please? ❤❤
If you reorder the videos from oldest to newest, she's uploaded some makeup tips tutorials ✨️ 😊 I'm trying to master her lip one
@@flonny1340 gonna look into that, thanks!!!❤❤
I think you're maybe reading too much into Suzanne Collins' comments on "the troops" and stuff. Like... TBH I do get what you're saying; like I was never 100% sure what her angle was, but let me put it this way.
If there's one thing that really stands out in her writing it's that she understands how to use language to appeal to people. I mean, the central theme of the books is, I think, how we use media as propaganda. And living in the US, couching her description of the dread she feels looking at war within the context of concern for US soldiers is a great way to appeal to the average American.
What I'm saying is, her caring about what's happening to your soldiers overseas doesn't mean she's *not* also writing about the "global south" and the standards which our militaries subjects them to.
I also do kinda disagree that we're the Capitol. Not to try and gloss over how good we have it in comparison to the rest of the world, but like... there's plenty of suffering in the global north which can be traced back to a very small group of extremely powerful people that essentially control everything. Like the metaphor isn't perfect but if we were to be compared to anyone in The Hunger Games I think the average person in the west is probably more along the lines of District 1 / 2. We buy into the system, and gain some benefits from it, but we still suffer for it too, and at the end of the day we're not the ones making the bulk of the profit.
Me when half my conversations also devolve into "hey isn't it funny how everything is absolutely garbage lol" 🙃
It’s so annoying but I can’t stop myself 😭😭😭
I watched this movie for the thumbnail caption. I love both the fashion and politics commentary. I'll definitely keep in mind what Collins has said when I do my HG book reread. I also remember she did get into some hot water for defending Lawrence being casted as Katniss.
I dislike Lucy Grey not because of her actions as a character, but of her position in the story from a writing standpoint: It just felt weird to me to have this pseudo manic pixie dream girl to be one of the central reasons Snow "snaps" (even if hes already a crazy ass bitch) - she feels so disjointed from the dystopian universe to the point of feeling like a fan creation to me.
I will defend tiger lady with my life tho.
To be fair this dystopian universe is not that old at this point, and with the districts being less defined and controlled so it makes sense that there are still people like lucy grey around even if they are few and far between.
I honestly don't think that she is the reason for him "snapping", and she is just ONE of the characters that he decides to use in his head to defend why he allows himself to do worse and worse things. He continually tries to blame other people for his feelings, and Sejanus, Dr Gaul, Highbottom, Lucy Gray are all people he can blame for his "villainy", but none of them are at fault really. he had all these thoughts and tendencies already, and he just kept indulging them
I mean, its true that her role was to be his big "what if", but I dont think thats necessarily bad, since no one else other than a dream girl couldve pulled the stunt of getting him to actually feel something while not being comparable to katniss. Her selflessness, charisma and story drew him in and showed him that there could be something else in life other than what he thought. We get to watch Coryo get close to what would be an ideal happy ending, but then he spoils it. Lucy "made him snap" because she was his only other option, and she left him exactly because of his clear lack of character. So he just goes back on his old ways, but now he gets to not only carry this burden, but also be constantly reminded of her, since Lucy always had that greater than life quality that made her immortal. Especially through her songs. His story was worth telling exactly because of how different his life could've been had he actually committed to becoming a better man for her, and how this thought probably haunted him until his last days.
+ the manic pixie dream girl is usually attached to this typical boring-no purpose in life-protagonist, while Snow is at least interesting and gets stuff moving. Lucys role really was making his actions(cheating to his own benefit, etc- which he wouldve done anyways) seem more acceptable and blurry the line of justified evil for the audience, just for him to do something unjustifiable later. We're also looking at her through his eyes, so no wonder she looks like a big deal. I do agree that some of her sassyness in their first encounter could be toned down, but she's also a performer and knows that showing weakness would just make her an easy target, specially after being rigged in over pettiness. Later she shows her sweet and vulnerable self. We just didn't get to know more because snow didn't either