This deck was so much fun to watch. A non-budget version of this deck to shore up its weaknesses would be a wonderful fun deck to play just to see what you could do with the opponent's plan. I love the creativity that goes into your budget decks. I always appreciate seeing the results, and I can't wait for the next one.
Do you remember that standard deck with Thief of Sanity, Hostage Taker and The Eldest Reborn? I do, and I had a blast playing it on paper. This looks fun as hell too.
The reason to counter the spellbomb is because you were effectively at 3 HP, and the spell bomb represented 66% of your remaining HP and you KNEW they had no bolts left.
Great video. Two things I would live to see: 1. A dollar counter to see the running value of cards you play from your opponent's deck to see how much your 100 dollar budget deck could steal. 2. I would also love a Budget Plus series. Budget decks where lands don't count into the budget equation. A lot of players have better lands than what you are being forced to use due to monetary value constraints and its frustrating when the deck loses out because you can't find one of your colors due to using sub par lands. I really love your videos! Keep up the good work!
I think the likelihood of someone with 300$ worth of lands in every colour looking for a budget deck is really low tbh. It really does suck seeing him be mana screwed but this is a far more realistic for a lot of people
@@JoeNokers fetchlands go in every deck, cards like solitude and ragavan do not. There are indeed many people who have a solid land collection but can't afford the rest of modern.
I love this! My first deck was a budget thieving deck, because all my friends already had expensive decks/collection. It feels so good to hit someone with their own $100 card
Fun fact most of this deck is pioneer legal so theoretically...you can make a similar fun deck in pioneer...might not be great but definitely looks fun
I think your opponent in the control matchup was using Jace’s brainstorm ability to intentionally stack lands on top of their deck, since they knew you were stealing it
Update - after watching the gameplay here was fantastic. Super interesting and creative lines. Has a lot of "I am the captain now" vibes. "I am the burn deck now" for example.
or we go one step further and add white for Kaya, Orzhov Userper for that ultimate... "Deal damage to opponent equal to the number of cards they own in exile, gain that much life." Fits suprisingly well with all the cards we're putting into our opponents exile, if we can't play them they'll turn into damage. Plus Kaya gives us some graveyard and token control.
Low key I think one of the best creature interaction pieces dropped in a while is fading hope the unsummon + scry for small guys it helps tempo soooo hard in the beginning and fixes draws for 1 mana
It's not a complete shut down against Tron because they can crack either their chromatic sphere or chromatic star to filter into colored mana so they get around void mirror pretty efficiently since there's 8 of these effects within tron
I've been playing pretty much this same deck in pioneer for a while now. It's as fun as it looks. I've got the 3 ashioks instead of nightveil specters and a couple of oblivion sowers.
Not necessarily. The card only counters spells that haven't had colored mana SPENT on them, not ones that COST only colorless mana. That version of tron uses several colored spells, so it has chromatic spheres, stars, etc that all generate colored mana and could easily get around the void mirror
Better than nothing. Force them to have a star or sphere to cast anything. A lot of the time they have to spend their early stars/spheres on Sylvan Scrying or digging for tron. I would bring them in. With how heavily they mulligan especially.
I play a similar deck in Historic and Xanathar is just as insane against mono red there... you can play half their deck in a turn and leave them to draw a land
That was certainly not a punt, it was highly defensible, as you went on to show. However given the dart in the GY, id definitely have countered the spellbomb. We're at effective 3, so 3 damage effects win. the only other way to win is 2+1 or 1+1+1. So you should always counter the 2, esp. since very few other realistic cards for their deck actually deal 3 damage.
This was fun, but my favorite "steal your stuff" deck that you made is still Unbound Wealth! I'd love if you'd try to update it to the new meta, but sadly Unbound Flourishing is bugged right now on MTGO: it doesn't double the X of a permanent spell :(
I thought this was a standard deck until I saw the hostage taker. Then I thought it was a historic deck until I saw the Counterspell. But it's cool to see so many recent cards played in modern.
There's nothing quite like Budget Magic to illustrate the greatest inherent weakness of Counterspell in game 1. Also I learned today that at some point MTG stopped using "Syphon" and switched over to "Siphon."
I was completely convinced Shark Typhoon would win that game 3 of the control matchup. Forgot how strong Teferi is....that really was an absolutely brutal loss
I was fully expecting him to lose when he played the typhoon. He was being so patient the rest of the game, but got too greedy. Playing the jace and having two counters up seemed like a much stronger play, since the oppo playing Teferi or T3feri with a counter to back it up is a complete blowout against the shark typhoon
2 minutes in, but I can aready forsee some issues. 😂 For example, stealing from Hammer, Titan and Tron doesn't accomplish much lol. Although I could see Hostage Taker actually winning games by exiling Oblivion Stone or Wurmcoil.
People always forget that Xanathar has a second effect that stops your opponent from casting spells during your turn once his ability resolves in upkeep. Also Void Mirror Counters Tron does it not? Counters all colorless spells as well as free spells
Holy crap, I made two different grixis builds, non budget. I use siphon insight, you find some prisoners, Kari zevs expertise and inevitable betrayal, oh and geyadrone to steal stuff. The other version is play my opponents deck with similar cards, but focuses on manipulating their top deck to favor me. Great minds lol
Void Mirror was pretty good against Tron in the beginning, but most Tron decks started playing Yavimaya to give them a bunch of colored mana so it doesn't do as much any more. It can still slow them down a bit, but it isn't really a hard lock.
30:54 Valakut Awakening is probably the worst card to take here. Two things mono red hates the most: too much land, and wasting turns. You just rid their worst options.
all of tron's big spells pretty much win the game against this deck if they resolve. so all they need to do is not crack their chromatic star until they have tron. which is what is going to happen in 50% of games anyway when you're on the play, and probably a good amount of games when you're on the draw too. since obviously they saw you play void mirror on 2 and they can presumably read. so they are aware that they only need to make colored mana once to beat you. it's why I don't even play void mirror, imo it's just not a replacement for the traditional hate cards like damping sphere, blood moon or land destruction. and it's still a lot weaker than chalice against living end or rhinos. although I guess mirror has a lot more merit now that so many decks are playing 4x solitude, but I wouldn't know since I'm usually the one playing the solitudes lol
This is almost card for card a deck I already built in pioneer. My question is why not just make it a pioneer deck? You put it in modern where it’s so much tougher but every single card you used in your main board is pioneer legal (Sans inquisition & counterspell) which can be easily replaced with thoughtseize over inquisition & whichever counterspell you’d like to use and wouldn’t be double blue to tax the mana base) also Tyrant’s scorn is a nice option that’s flexible as well. Really give it a chance to shine 😎 also more Bear 🐻 please & thank you
what are you talking about? of course people kill thief of sanity; it's a 2/2 flyer that draws you a card when it hits. like it's not that much worse than toski and people definitely kill toski on sight (if they could)
"thief tanks so many unnecessary removal spells it's not that busted but people just do not want to get hit by it" flashback to guilds standard when seth would pick up cards against an opponent for just tapping dimir mana
I mean there are obviously decks you can’t beat easily with this deck, but it runs like a control deck just using your opponents finishers instead of your own. I feel like the niche draw your whole library decks would slaughter this
As much crap as I’ve given you Seth I owe you an apology. You’re such a better content curator than most and I’m glad you make content without being a horrible person unlike other MTG creators.
0:28 "The best cards in the format are also the most powerful cards" - Seth, 2021
Ah yes
Lmao I was expecting him to say "expensive"
@@AyoJayArr That's probably what he meant to say.
The highest priced cards in the format are also the most expensive ones.
@@blueplayer6197 What?!?
You never played Tuber Sumulator?!
This deck was so much fun to watch. A non-budget version of this deck to shore up its weaknesses would be a wonderful fun deck to play just to see what you could do with the opponent's plan.
I love the creativity that goes into your budget decks. I always appreciate seeing the results, and I can't wait for the next one.
There's a couple budget upgrade decks I wanna see this this one definitely is top of the list
Thanks!
Do you remember that standard deck with Thief of Sanity, Hostage Taker and The Eldest Reborn? I do, and I had a blast playing it on paper. This looks fun as hell too.
Build it in pioneer you savage
I loved that deck it was so much fun
Pepridge Farm remembers lol 😂
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No, but i remember the standard deck with Ashiok, Mightmare Weaver and Nightveil Spector. Also a blast.
G1T1 against Tron
"Good news is our opp has good cards to steal. bad news is we're dead." XD
The reason to counter the spellbomb is because you were effectively at 3 HP, and the spell bomb represented 66% of your remaining HP and you KNEW they had no bolts left.
"There are things that straight up kill us"
Let direct damage through.
If he argues for not countering a creature, that would make more sense.
Even countering the lava dart might have stopped him from dying.
@@seroni17 Countering just puts it back in the graveyard.
100% Punt on the non-countering Spellbomb though.
Great video. Two things I would live to see:
1. A dollar counter to see the running value of cards you play from your opponent's deck to see how much your 100 dollar budget deck could steal.
2. I would also love a Budget Plus series. Budget decks where lands don't count into the budget equation. A lot of players have better lands than what you are being forced to use due to monetary value constraints and its frustrating when the deck loses out because you can't find one of your colors due to using sub par lands.
I really love your videos! Keep up the good work!
I think the likelihood of someone with 300$ worth of lands in every colour looking for a budget deck is really low tbh. It really does suck seeing him be mana screwed but this is a far more realistic for a lot of people
@@JoeNokers fetchlands go in every deck, cards like solitude and ragavan do not. There are indeed many people who have a solid land collection but can't afford the rest of modern.
Most of the time, lands are like 50% of the budget. Crazy
28:05 Seth forgetting that Xanathar stops the opponent from doing anything.
He also forgot against that esper control deck and he didn't cast it...
I love this! My first deck was a budget thieving deck, because all my friends already had expensive decks/collection. It feels so good to hit someone with their own $100 card
Fun fact most of this deck is pioneer legal so theoretically...you can make a similar fun deck in pioneer...might not be great but definitely looks fun
I think your opponent in the control matchup was using Jace’s brainstorm ability to intentionally stack lands on top of their deck, since they knew you were stealing it
"LOOK AT THE CARDS..." LOL sometimes you crack me up, Seth! Keep up the good work!
Now this is my kinda deck. Reminds me of my sen triplets theft commander deck which is oh so fun 🙌
Update - after watching the gameplay here was fantastic. Super interesting and creative lines. Has a lot of "I am the captain now" vibes. "I am the burn deck now" for example.
I feel you should make this a non budget deck and making it grixis just for ragavan lol
or we go one step further and add white for Kaya, Orzhov Userper for that ultimate... "Deal damage to opponent equal to the number of cards they own in exile, gain that much life." Fits suprisingly well with all the cards we're putting into our opponents exile, if we can't play them they'll turn into damage. Plus Kaya gives us some graveyard and token control.
maybe dauthi voidwalker for graveyard hate
Robber of rich ,I always wanted to play a grixis steal things deck
I can imagine Crim tearing up watching this video, how proud he must be
That Carth deck in match 1 was sick!
Yeah, we might have to make a version of that ;)
right? I was trying so hard to figure out that kiora list. never struggled so hard to reverse engineer a brew before lol
That was a pretty confusing title for me, glad I understood it after the intro! Lovely deck, send hugs to Bear
Excited for this one. I remembered the Twitter post and couldn't wait to see this go off
Wow, that first match was so fun! Im gonna watch the rest later.
Man, watching Xanathar lock 'em up is just beautiful.
Low key I think one of the best creature interaction pieces dropped in a while is fading hope the unsummon + scry for small guys it helps tempo soooo hard in the beginning and fixes draws for 1 mana
Seth's fling with Xanathar builds has been fun to watch
I like that in celebration for midnight hunt, you have a stake floating above your head for most of the video, very cool!
Coincidentally ordered Siphon Insight today, convinced that it could be good. Looking forward to watching your game play.
I’m confused as to not adding in Void Mirror against Tron…
It's not a complete shut down against Tron because they can crack either their chromatic sphere or chromatic star to filter into colored mana so they get around void mirror pretty efficiently since there's 8 of these effects within tron
Would love to see the upgraded version of this deck in Grixis with Ragavan
I've been playing pretty much this same deck in pioneer for a while now. It's as fun as it looks. I've got the 3 ashioks instead of nightveil specters and a couple of oblivion sowers.
In the tron game, wouldn't the void mirrors have been good?
Not necessarily. The card only counters spells that haven't had colored mana SPENT on them, not ones that COST only colorless mana. That version of tron uses several colored spells, so it has chromatic spheres, stars, etc that all generate colored mana and could easily get around the void mirror
Better than nothing. Force them to have a star or sphere to cast anything. A lot of the time they have to spend their early stars/spheres on Sylvan Scrying or digging for tron. I would bring them in. With how heavily they mulligan especially.
shocked that he forgot to bring they in
I play a similar deck in Historic and Xanathar is just as insane against mono red there... you can play half their deck in a turn and leave them to draw a land
That was certainly not a punt, it was highly defensible, as you went on to show. However given the dart in the GY, id definitely have countered the spellbomb. We're at effective 3, so 3 damage effects win. the only other way to win is 2+1 or 1+1+1. So you should always counter the 2, esp. since very few other realistic cards for their deck actually deal 3 damage.
When you're down to four you counter any amount of burn you can lol. It was also definitely risky using the castle Lochtwain.
yeah...I really did not like that Lochthwain activation haha
If I had a dollar for every time Seth complained about London mulligan, I'd have a playset of Black Lotuses.
Should possibly be playing Bloodchief’s Thirst over Fatal Push. Not only is it easier on the budget, but it can deal with Planeswalkers.
This was fun, but my favorite "steal your stuff" deck that you made is still Unbound Wealth! I'd love if you'd try to update it to the new meta, but sadly Unbound Flourishing is bugged right now on MTGO: it doesn't double the X of a permanent spell :(
Not bringing in void mirror vs tron will never not dissapoint me
54:08 Me literally every time I cast a discard spell in any format.
I'm surprised there wasn't at least a single copy of Mnemonic Betrayal. Friggin love that card lol.
Letting a Thief of Sanity live is pretty risky...
It's basically a "Bob" that's guaranteed to draw action and loses no life.
Built a similar deck in historic! Not extremely competitive but fun! Tibalt for sepector. So splash red. But a blast when you get em!
I thought this was a standard deck until I saw the hostage taker. Then I thought it was a historic deck until I saw the Counterspell. But it's cool to see so many recent cards played in modern.
I don't think I'd call it a punt, but I think on average, countering the Spellbomb in that position will win more games in the long run.
Would love to see what a non budget hand would look like, I absolutely love Xanathar and the new black blue steal spell
Can you make a video of a pioneer or explorer version of this build? How well will it work in the meta?
Yay, more Modern!
There's nothing quite like Budget Magic to illustrate the greatest inherent weakness of Counterspell in game 1.
Also I learned today that at some point MTG stopped using "Syphon" and switched over to "Siphon."
I was completely convinced Shark Typhoon would win that game 3 of the control matchup. Forgot how strong Teferi is....that really was an absolutely brutal loss
Yeah, I sort of forgot about that too.
I was fully expecting him to lose when he played the typhoon. He was being so patient the rest of the game, but got too greedy. Playing the jace and having two counters up seemed like a much stronger play, since the oppo playing Teferi or T3feri with a counter to back it up is a complete blowout against the shark typhoon
2 minutes in, but I can aready forsee some issues. 😂 For example, stealing from Hammer, Titan and Tron doesn't accomplish much lol. Although I could see Hostage Taker actually winning games by exiling Oblivion Stone or Wurmcoil.
People always forget that Xanathar has a second effect that stops your opponent from casting spells during your turn once his ability resolves in upkeep.
Also Void Mirror Counters Tron does it not? Counters all colorless spells as well as free spells
No you can play colorless cards as long as you play colored mana for it.
upgrading this deck to grixis with robber of the rich, ragavan and valki/tibalt seems like a must do for much abrew nothing :D
Fire thumbnail made me think twice till I really understood lol
Gonti was fun in Standard- I wish there was a paper version of that Hostage Taker with the kid on the dinosaur though
Void Mirror against Tron!
nightveil spectre my favorite card im watching this
Also i plat this in pioneer
Holy crap, I made two different grixis builds, non budget. I use siphon insight, you find some prisoners, Kari zevs expertise and inevitable betrayal, oh and geyadrone to steal stuff. The other version is play my opponents deck with similar cards, but focuses on manipulating their top deck to favor me. Great minds lol
Grixis sounds sweet! I'm going to have to give that a try.
@@MTGGoldfish please do, I run two Valkis and 4 monke for the Grixis Play yo Deck version. As always, great vids!
That stuffed fish is sooo cute!
Dayum new setup looking sharp
I feel like you're playing Pauper against Modern decks and praying for the good hits! 😂 Feast to Famine, but when it works it's glorious!!! hahaha
seth saying thief of sanity is just a 2/2 like it doesnt impulse on contact LOL
What's wrong with sharky? I don't hear him sharkin'!
Your foster planeswalkers are dead!
I can't believe you didn't bring in void mirror against tron it stops everything they are doing unless they turn the mana colored first.
In the tron game, wouldn't the void mirrors have been good? That is a punt though.
Void Mirror was pretty good against Tron in the beginning, but most Tron decks started playing Yavimaya to give them a bunch of colored mana so it doesn't do as much any more. It can still slow them down a bit, but it isn't really a hard lock.
This is like all my favorite cards from their respective standards, shoved into the same deck lol.
I love it~
Commandeer could be a funny thing to have in the sideboard
Fun deck saffron thanks for sharing
30:54 Valakut Awakening is probably the worst card to take here. Two things mono red hates the most: too much land, and wasting turns. You just rid their worst options.
You should have cycled that shark typhoon game one for sure against the control deck
33:48 people like to play with their cards, and don't like it when their opponent plays with them instead.
It's also just straight card advantage on hit with evasion so still the biggest threat on the battlefield.
This looks fun to mess with in historic.
Seth's hanging green screen made me think something was wrong with my screen for a second
Imagine not siding in Void Mirror against Tron.
What does it do against them? I don't know the deck that well
Oh hold on, No Colored Mana????? That was way stroonger than i thought tbh, i thought it was "if no mana was spent"
It's actually pretty weak against them, they just spend one more turn to grab a forest. It's best against evoke and cascade decks.
all of tron's big spells pretty much win the game against this deck if they resolve. so all they need to do is not crack their chromatic star until they have tron. which is what is going to happen in 50% of games anyway when you're on the play, and probably a good amount of games when you're on the draw too. since obviously they saw you play void mirror on 2 and they can presumably read. so they are aware that they only need to make colored mana once to beat you. it's why I don't even play void mirror, imo it's just not a replacement for the traditional hate cards like damping sphere, blood moon or land destruction. and it's still a lot weaker than chalice against living end or rhinos. although I guess mirror has a lot more merit now that so many decks are playing 4x solitude, but I wouldn't know since I'm usually the one playing the solitudes lol
Fatal Push seemed really bad I'm a fetchless deck, maybe better as Dismember? Or some split?
Xanthar leads my mill deck in cmdr as a sort of lantern control type of tech.
I didn`t wat another deck. But now I will build my ersion of this wonderful Masterpiece
It's super fun! If you end up building a version make sure to send me a link (if you want to). I'd love to see what you come up with!
Yeah, I must think about it. How much budget I will use for it and how many cards I replace. But I'm hyped for the deck.
How do I send you the link?
living end doesn't run basic mountains. fielding their steamvents will turn off their outbursts until they find another red source
I would love to know what cards you would add to make it more competitive
These are 90% Pioneer legal cards :D
This is almost card for card a deck I already built in pioneer. My question is why not just make it a pioneer deck? You put it in modern where it’s so much tougher but every single card you used in your main board is pioneer legal (Sans inquisition & counterspell) which can be easily replaced with thoughtseize over inquisition & whichever counterspell you’d like to use and wouldn’t be double blue to tax the mana base) also Tyrant’s scorn is a nice option that’s flexible as well. Really give it a chance to shine 😎 also more Bear 🐻 please & thank you
simple: you can't steal ragavan in pioneer
If you countered the Lava Dart against the burn matchup, they could only deal up to 3 damage to you. I don't know why you scooped.
Feels like a couple of prismatic Vistas would have helped.
Seth desperately trying to convince me I have a scratch on the lower right of my phone screen
Ugh, yeah. I didn't realize that was there until the video was recorded and it was too late to fix it :(
Lol I remember playing you in a 2 player queues when you were on this deck
what are you talking about? of course people kill thief of sanity; it's a 2/2 flyer that draws you a card when it hits. like it's not that much worse than toski and people definitely kill toski on sight (if they could)
>doesn't side in Void Mirror against Tron
It's a bold strategy, Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them.
It's not a punt for say, but it's a darn risky move. I mean, its a 2 damage burn spell, you're at 4...
This deck looks like it would be pretty easy to put this together for Historic.
Clever impersonator is good against plainswalkers and commandeer lol
"thief tanks so many unnecessary removal spells it's not that busted but people just do not want to get hit by it"
flashback to guilds standard when seth would pick up cards against an opponent for just tapping dimir mana
42:40 Mystical Archive Faithless looting: *Am I a joke to you?*
Void Mirror isn’t great against Green Tron, but I think it’s good enough that it’s worth bringing in against them.
I love this deck!
Why didn’t you board in void mirror vs tron? It shuts off the entire deck?!
Why was Seth surprised he was hitting dead against the azorius control when the opponent literally stacked the top of their library every turn?
Yay, more modern!
Give us more budget magic decks xD
I play dimir control in standard and xanathar is a kill on sight card in that deck. If I untap with xanathar I'm winning.
Yeah, if you untap with Xanathar its pretty hard to lose (unless you're already super far behind on board).
1:06:21 TFW Seth bottomed the one clean out in the deck to an on the board 3-feri. :(
Why not use Void Mirror in the Tron matchup?
I mean there are obviously decks you can’t beat easily with this deck, but it runs like a control deck just using your opponents finishers instead of your own.
I feel like the niche draw your whole library decks would slaughter this
What would the non budget version of this be?
As much crap as I’ve given you Seth I owe you an apology. You’re such a better content curator than most and I’m glad you make content without being a horrible person unlike other MTG creators.
I don't mind taking some crap, I deserve it sometimes :) No need to apologize, but thanks :)