How to shift Two stick 6+4 Spicer Transmission Peterbilt 359
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Showing the shift pattern and explaining the sequence of the Spicer transmissions on my truck
Shift sequence in first driving clip
2-1
2-2
2-3
2-4
3-3
3-4
4-3
4-4
5-4
6-4
Downshift
6-4
5-4
4-4
Etc
1978 Peterbilt 359
475 Silver 8V92
6+4 Spicer Both Overdrive
5.33 rears
1,333,000 miles
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My old pops used to run a old Mack with twin sticks. It was a blast watching him steer, shift and still smoke a Lucky Strike cigarette.
Crazy, a little village in Belize, Central America was named after that cigarette. 'Lucky strike.'
Those old Mack's were awesome, same amount of gears forward as reverse, can do 30mph in reverse
I learned how to drive in a old B model Mack, thermodyne.
Twin stick nightmare at first.
The old girl burned as much oil ad she leaked. What a pos truck, but I had to learn and earn. Damn I miss that old girl, she may of been a old POS, but she'd work her ass off all day and night (and at night, straight pipe would glow red).
That sounds like fun
That’s the good old American way
My late dad taught me how to handle the twin stick spicer when i was 15 years old. This is like a trip down memory lane to me.
My father taught me to drive a stick on a '52 Cornbinder dump truck. It had a 5x4. I was 12 yestd old.
I started driving truck in 1960 and retired in 2006. I drove several twin sticks. My 1st was an Autocar with a 4&4, then 5&4 6&4 5&3 and so on. Finally went to 18 speed, 13 speed and finally a 9 speed. I always liked the twin sticks and missed driving with them. This video sure brought me back. Thank you so much for giving me a few minutes of the past. Good luck and keep the shiny side up.
I started in 1964 (illegally at 14yrs old), driving at night so the cops couldn't see me. Like you, I started on "A" Cars (& "Broc's) - ten wheelers with 12:00 x 25 rubber (Man.. those A-cars sat high!!)... a Cummins NHC 250 (with "backdrop" manifold & dual straight pipes = beautiful "music", especially when driving loaded in "Beantown" and it all bounced off the buildings!), and the obligatory 5x4 with 5.17:1 rears... 55 mph, flat out with a tailwind!!... but, man.. in low-low or low split, you could pull a mountain off of its foundations!! lol
I had occasion to later drive Macks from LF & LT's, "B" models, up to an RSL700 ("Western") with a V12 with the Mack triple countershaft 12 speed, which I think was probably one of the "toughest" boxes ever built.... I "swear" you could use it for a "rock crusher". lol
We must have Both been from the New England area?... or at least both from somewhere on the east coast... from NJ up to Maine - with all the "A"cars, Brocs and Macks. Didn't see that many of the A-cars and Brocs, much further south than NJ and maybe Delaware.
I left the east coast a couple of years after getting out of Nam... and never went back, except for the very occasional visit.
My first log truck was a five and a four twin stick !!!!!!!😂 I loved it
Dad was a master at this, would ride with him in the 70's hauling offroad for drilling rigs.. two handed shifts climbing hills in the bush was really something to see
set those lyrics to music
70s probably smelt like old 2 stroke detroits
4x6 so its basically a 24 speed? Do you only use the main 6 when empty?
@@danc1197.... Hi Dan, it was probably just a "typo"... but I think you meant a 6x4... instead of a "4x6"... and yes, IF you went from 1st low split or 1st low-low (there were Many different gear combinations with different boxes back then) all the way to 6th Over, or possibly a double Over... you would have 24 gears. However, we Rarely ever had the need for using 1st low split or 1st under, due to the fact that the overall gear ratio (including the rears) was So low that in many cases you could literally crawl on your stomach faster than the truck would move... so was only used when we wanted to pull "mountains off of their foundations" as we use to say.
Another consideration is... and depending on what series of "boxes" were being used as well as what the rear end ratio was... that there were some gears, especially like he pointed out in this video.... that were "over-lapping" each other, especially between 5th & 6th in the main.... but, again... it all depended on what set-up was actually being used as there were numerous different transmission combinations that could be had using various gear sets (ratios) inside each of the different types of Main & Brownie boxes.
When I was empty, I would start off in either of the lower 2 gears in the main, depending on terrain and would use any combination of the two boxes I wanted to... all depending on terrain/gradients..... same thing when I was loaded... I would use any combination up or down in both boxes that I wanted or needed to, all depending on road conditions, gradients and weight.... I never used any particular pattern, in either or both boxes.. it was always determined by weight, gradients (up or down), weather (road conditions)... I rarely ever used the same pattern twice in a row.
A master shifts with one hand and keeps one hand one the steering wheel.
I learn that on the farm in my mid teens.
I learned on 13 and 15 speeds. Been driving now for 43 years. I always wanted to learn to drive a twin stick. Thanks for sharing!
FINALLY....someone that can explain two stick shifting and make it understandable...thank you so much....not near as mystical as it’s always made out to be!!!
Stuart Meyer..... just wait until you get behind the wheel of one... and we'll see how easy it is for you... especially with a good "jag" on, you're climbing a 6+% grade for a few miles on a winding, twisty road and your dropping revs rather quickly.... I definitely want a video of that. lol : )
@@Romans--bo7br You sound really toxic lol... Is everything okay at home?
@@daironification...Nothing "toxic" about what I stated at all. I was only pointing out exactly what I said. As far as my "home life" is concerned, wise a*s... it's wonderful... been happily married for MANY years.
Stuart. As a young lorry driver in the U.K. in the early 2000s I drove 16 speed range changers and splitters, a weird Mercedes EPS and then Eaton twin splitter ERFs. I worked it out. Funnily the “old hands” didn’t want to use the ERF Eaton twin splitters and it was the newbies like me that got given them. It’s like anything, you get used to it. You’d get used to these twin sticks I bet. They are products designed (albeit in a clunky way) to be used. They’re not zen magic where you have to pass a special ritual to join a special club 😂. Don’t believe the hype. The only reason people can’t use them nowadays is they’ve no experience. It’s like I can’t ride a horse very well, because we don’t use them to get around day to day anymore. But I bet if I was around in 1920 I’d soon learn ha. Get someone to explain, have a go, take it easy and you’ll pick these things up.
Basically what I got out of this video is that basically the 2nd shifter essentially makes it easier to shift the first one because the first few gears take more revs so the 2nd shifter gears are used like stepping stones in between the gears to keep the revs in a good spot so you don't miss a gear on shifter #1 climbing a hill and can't hit the gear you need in time and stall the truck because it's really easy to do that especially when you need such high revs to shift. Also dealing with the 2nd one adds more room for fuckin up. Basically another thing that's really simple made out to be special by the people who took the time to learn it. I learned to drive an 18 speed in just over an hour but it's made out to be really complicated, learned to drive a regular manual transmission in 15 minutes.
Even as a 14 y/o I understood this perfectly! You’re a great teacher and thank you very much.
My Uncle ran a twin stick in the late 70's early 80's in his log truck. I remember sitting in his sleeper watching him shift. Thank you for the trip down memory lane.
My grandpa drove and owned a 359 Pete two stroke 6/4 trans he haul steel from East to West I new how to tarp and chain a load when I was 13 years old was driving the truck at 16 or so trucking and the people were alot different back then great times I'll never forget sure miss ya PAPAW thank you for always having a ear and allowing me to grow up with the greatest man a kid could have in his life I pray that you and Mom are together and are proud of my accomplishments I wish that my Son could have met you
I'm sure your grandpa is looking down proud as could be!
Best explanation ever. I was unaware that it was 2 different transmissions and the overlap in ratios explains why it doesn't immediately make sense just by watching someone shift. Thanks for sharing
i love the 6&4 and 5&4 with a 2 stroke!
thats a real truck!!
It is not designed for trail running, but for moving mountains. Nice that the old fighters get the respect they deserve. The same to the people who take care of them.
This is the first time I’ve seen it explained with a gear pattern layout. Completely makes sense now. Great video!
This is by far the best video explaining how to shift a 6 and a 4. 😎👍👍👍😎
I cant believe this is now a novelty! I have many years doing this when air switches were the new thing.
So I have to say thank you very very much. I drove for 16 years. And like you said everyone wants you to think it’s really difficult. But the way you explained it makes so much sense. Now I just have to get my license back and find a twin stick to be able to say I drove one. Nowadays all trucks are crappy automatics. But thanks again.
Yes, "sounds" simple... however, that all "goes away" when you're loaded and pulling grades, then you better Really know and understand gear ratios. Lots of the "old timers" who started driving, years before I was in diapers (1949)... would "miss" lots of downshifts, especially in the steep grades, and would have to pull over to the side, and start all over again and crawl to the top... all because they Really didn't understand how to space and time their gears when downshifting.
It's definitely Not as easy as it was described in this video... especially in the "upper" gears. Personally, I never had any trouble with them, probably due to my background, and I've driven just about every combination of boxes, including my own dbl over 6x4's, in my 50+ years of trucking. I'm Not trying to "brag"... it's just a fact of my life's work.
I drove a 1966 Pete 359, with a 335 Cummins, 5&4, tow truck, I learned by myself, I ground the gears a lot, but I finally got the knack, it was Easy after the learning curve, 😆😆😆Great Video, Thanks William Orange county, Ca.
@billaroo1..... the 359 Pete, did Not come out until late summer of 1967.
Wow! Finally! I understand how it works. It is indeed very simple. So the auxiliary stick on the right pretty much lets you split each of the main 6 gears into 4. Your explanation plus seeing you drive it made it all clear. Thank you.
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@TheHuskyGT.... Yes, it's all "very simple".... until your the one sitting behind the wheel, with a full load... pulling 5+% grades.... then we'll see how "simple" it is for you (or, Anyone). MANY of the old (some started driving, even before WW2) "Knights of the Road" (the Real truckers!) who knew nothing about "single stick" OTR trucks... would need to pull over to the side of the road, and start over again due to missed shifts and have to "crawl" up to the top of the grades.
Diesel engines (4 cycles) by almost all manufacturers, did Not get turbochargers and passed 300hp until the early 1970's.... it was a full days work, driving back then.
I started driving "ten wheelers" ("A" cars / Autocar & "Broc's" - Brockway's) when I was 14 years old - driving at night so the police would see me, hauling snow in the winter time.
I started driving OTR in late 1972 with my own truck (1969 - 359 Pete), which originally had a Spicer 4016 compound 4x4, later swapped out for a dbl over 6x4 due to building the V12 up to 860hp specs and the 4016 couldn't handle it. Great times!!
Essentially a 24 speed, right?
50 years driving truck I've never heard of a ,2 stroke super cat.
2 stroke Detroit's drop revs quickly not snappy.
I've driven 6x4 my whole life since I could push in the clutch I typically shift 6 gears out of 24.
You didn't explain overdrive other than that, great job.
Don't forget backing up in a truck stop shifting 4 times. That will turn heads. I currently run a 20x4 and a V12 Detroit 2 stroke. Now that's fun. 80 forward gears 4 reverse. Again I shift typically 6 times.
When I was a kid, the first "job" I had was learning how to shift for my dad. I was also his navigator. When he got a GMC Astro 95, with a 13 speed, I was out of a job!
A 4x4 married unit is what I learned to drive in. Thank you for just telling it like it is, and not trying to sound like a super trucker. Once someone understands the concept, it isn't that hard. I started driving 37 years ago and still prefer a split transmission set up. One of the advantages, it there are no air lines to freeze up and slow down or stop shifting when it is -40 in NW Wyoming.
Your referring to the Spicer 4016 Compound 4x4 (I had the 1st gen, "sticks" as well, in my first truck - 1969 - 359 Pete with V12) with the twin sticks. The 2nd gen "4x4" - known as the "air 4x4"... was a 4 speed single stick with the auxillary 4, controlled by 4 position "button", similar the "button" on a Fuller 13 spd.
The 4 speeds in reverse was still retained in the "Air 4x4" like Spicer had in the first gen 4x4.
I really loved the even 6% step between all the gears in that 16 speed... made for really quick shifting up and down, and "skip shifting" in the grades when necessary.
Ahhhh... those Were "the days"!!.... when Men, were men... trucks were "real trucks" with their own "personalities"... and Women, were real women.. and great to come home to!! ; ) I sure miss those days.... but at least I got to live it, and I still have my loving wife of almost 52 years now!! : )
As a young man early 1980s, I drove a water( bottled) truck. It broke down n needed a tow. Getting dark the tow arrived, it was a black peterbuilt, he hooked up n said get in, we headed on our way, I noticed 2 stick shifts in this big rig. Within 5 miles I was so impressed with the way this guy shifted gears, I'm sure he put on a show for me. Never forget it, it was something
I knew I saw my dad shifting two shifters when I was young, I thought I was imagining things lol. Useful video
That was Great! Thank you for taking your time in making and presenting this video! My Dad used to drive these when he was a trucker, years ago. I always admired his ability to drive these. Now, thanks to you, I understand what he was doing.
I own a 79 Long Nose Pete with 3408 cat and 6&4 with 285 wheelbase . It did about 96 mph. Only had her there a couple times. Very nice riding rig. Did a lot of oilfield work with her.
That's great that you apparently still have "her". The 3408 was a great engine... even though some of them had their "issue's". My first truck was a 1969 - 359 Pete with a V12 and a Spicer 4016 Compound 4x4, that I bought after coming home from Nam in 70, from a friend of my dads.
He only drove it for three months, then had a heart attack and had to park it.
It was his "retirement" truck and he had paid cash for it, so it didn't cost him anything to have it sit until I bought it. He really wanted me to "make it", so he sold it to me for $10K... which I more than had from all the "bonds" I had bought while in the service and cashed in, so I bought a 150 ton low-boy with a booster with what I had left over and never looked back.
I had two ext'd hood "A" model KW's after that, set up for heavy haul, also with V12's and dbl over 6x4's.
I sure miss those days and years... great times, and would do it all over again... except I would have kept the 359, and at least one of my "A" Models.
359 look+ 2 stroke diesel+ 24 gear, double stick spicer+ wood+ leather+ NO COMPUTER CRAP= a dream that I want to make it real for myself.
Absolutely awesome truck ,, i love it ,, and i have one too ,, he has an 8V92 ,, i have a 12V71TT in my 1978 359
love listening to it sing
@@wildcoyote34nice truck but there is nothing wrong with an electronic engine it makes where you can fine tune it
@William 1221 i can fine tune my truck too , it's just not as easy ,,and i have no $25000 emissions control system to go haywire or DPF to clog , no bullshit computer to cause it to derate because it got a brain fart ,or have the ECM go tits up cause it got wet ,,alli gotta worry about is oil leaks ,, and where is the next fuel station ,,even that doesn't happen very often cause i have 350 gallons of fuel
Me too. That's the exact thing I've been saying for a long time now.
@@wildcoyote34there is only so much you can tune on a mechanical and if you take care of your truck right an electronic engine should have no trouble
You did an incredible job explaining it, and it makes perfect sense. I love that you aren't trying to make it seem like it's incredibly hard to do and that todays 18 speed drivers couldn't do it because now that it was explained by someone who isn't trying to complicate it on purpose I am certain I could drive that truck with relative ease. I also find it funny that guys take both their hands off the wheel to shift when it is completely unneeded just to make it look hard. They may be the original super truckers haha
That was the best explanation of how a twin stick works. Everyone I ever asked that drove was the same response. Hook the steering wheel with your arm. And no real explanation. It's kinda like using a two speed rear.
Matt Hofmann.... It's Nothing like using a "two speed rear" at all.... not even a Three speed rear.
Love the sound of a Detroit in the morning!
Man a twin stick looks and sounds hard.
The perfect challenger for a veteran
Get your ear plugs a couple 3 or 4 gallon jugs of oil make sure the flashers are working for going up hills under 40 MPH. tie up some empty oil jugs over the slobber tubes you can recycle that oil that it pisses out
dump back in the engine ,you will be lucky to get 3 1/2 miles to a gallon of fuel & 250 miles to a gallon of oil out of that greyhound bus engine ,The up side you will never fall asleep with all that noise & you will be real busy shifting hit the bottom of the hill going 85 MPH & by the time you get to the top ears ringing & going 18 MPH , boy this brings back a lot of memories my ears are still ringing from 30 years ago HAHAH
EXACTLY right here,i had one and also its old brother 12v71ta,the two in kw900
ahhh, the good ole days !!!
This all horseshit. A proper built 8v92 is NOT A SLOBBER BOX. You dumbasses can't compare a 8v92 to 8v71 (318) to you young wanna be billy big riggers. 8v92TA damn good engine and a 435 would give a 400 A model Cat or a 400 Cummins a fit back in the day. Totally different breed. Nothing like a 71 or 53 series. Love them Silver 92's
@@bizzboss_00 no way a 12v71 was in a w900L.......maybe a W900A.....not a L model dipshit....
@@jonsullivan7933 Well let me tell you something sonny boy about some junk DETROIT
PILE OF SHIT I worked on many 8V92 & you really know what your talking about
cat & a cummins would be running long after that DETROIT JUNK WAS DEAD
billy big rigger if you ever ran a 8v92 that really ran good it didn't do it very long
the main bearing journals were too small for the horse power & it would brake
the rear main bearing bolts & the rear main cap would fall in the oil pan & a lot of times it would break the crankshaft ,DETROIT JUNK bankrupt many owner operators
back in the 80s & early 90s 8v92s were laying DEAD all over the country & nobody wanted them the salvage yards were full of them you could buy as many as you wanted running for $1000 to $2000
The exporters sure weren't buying them like cummins- mack engines so they got SCRAPPED & If you don't think so where did they all go ,I never met anybody collecting
them ,Way to many moving parts they would turn DIESEL fuel into noise & bankruptcy ...
HAHAHA
I'm from Germany so my English is not the best and you made it understandable for me that's awesome
Wish trucks like this were still around.
That truck has an absolutely awesome sound to it.
GM 2 stroke 92 series, the most efficient engine ever built for converting diesel to noise ;-)
I miss driving them old trucks
At the age of 14 I drove a Mac with twin sticks, didn't have a clue but as it was rolling I got paid..
This video makes it so much simpler to under stand I’m only 16 my ad owns a few Mack r model and rd dump trucks and he taught me how to drive them all we got one with a 12 speed that I love driving I learned to float the gears really good I watch a lot of videos of guys that shift twin sticks with the clutch since you don’t it makes it even easier for me to understand love your truck by the way ... respect from New York City
This was a major enigma to me as to how to go from one stick to another!
I felt like a kid again riding with my Dad....THANK YOU for posting this!
I remember the puking loud 2 stroke log truck my neighbor had when I was a kid lol I've still never heard a more obnoxious jake brake lmao! Thanks for the video!
This guy make things so simple
I'm ready to drive sir - can you plz move over
Thank you
Well I'll be darned. Never really been around trucks, and you explained it perfectly for me. Simple, actually. Thanks, great vid!
Im 19, almost 20, just learned how to drive stick and then I find this and I want to learn this now. Thank you for this absolute gem of a video.
Repetition is the key to learning. That actually looks like it’s fun to drive if you know what you’re doing. Sounds awesome too.
That was a great explanation of shifting sticks. I’ve always wanted to learn but I hear the stories of having to crawl under and “fix” the linkage!
Been there twice 😂 got it tightened up so im good now
4:34....Bubbles, you just ruined the retirement of every old trucker telling stories at the coffee shop....
😂 sorry!! I hear ya tho!
They can tell the story about how they've been holding traffic back for prit near 30 years.
Unless you drove a 2 stick mack...........
Especially with a sick 237...........
Wind her to 2100, drop to 1200 to shift..........
remember my road test fondly...... (1979)......
Half aload of milk in the front compartment, shifitin with the slop........
And using both sticks at the same time...........
Lost 5 points for parking toooo Far from the curb :)
Those were the days! I had a couple trucks that had that set up and eventually got pretty good at double clutching and shifting both transmissions (split shifting) !It really was a art to doing it! I’d like to see some of the young drivers today do that and there may be a few that could! Thanks for the ride along!
Drove a mack towtruck mid 90's with this set up only got to drive that truck 6 or 7 times got a better paying job to this day I still remember learning how to shift that truck great memories💯
I showed this to my wife and told her I didn’t have time to text her ,,,, I was at working ,,,,,she said ,,, ok honey,,,
Love the humming of the engine ,,,,, nice clean shifts.....excellent video....
This looks so awesome. I'd like to try one of these one day. I've driven stick all my life and the twin stick looked complicated but the way you explain makes it sound easy. I know your explanation comes with many miles of use in all types of road situations from rain, snow, ice, traffic and large load hauls.
Excellent video sir, excellent.
Thank you for showing the shift patterns on the dash while you explained the different ratios between the two transmissions. That cleared up most of my confusion. The final hurdle now, to me, is memorizing the unusual shift patterns on these old boxes.
Great video and cool shift knobs.
As a trucker from germany, I find it very interesting to watch how you guys handle your trucks. Over here, automatic transmission is the norm, which can be pretty boring at times. But also the interior is completely different from our trucks, with all the big flipping switches.
Very nice video indeed!
you realize this truck was built in 1978, and even then twin sticks were very rare. Modern trucks are mostly automatic with a few air-shift manuals still ordered.
Can’t drive off-road with an automatic. I drive a log truck 20% of the miles is off road, unimproved two track, frozen in the winter. We get 134” of snow per year and it takes a light foot and good clutching/shifting skills to get up and down icy and muddy hills.
@@roninseattle..... Ron, just so you're aware... they are Not "automatics". They are AUTOMATED... manual transmissions. Automatic transmissions are Fluid coupled and "driven" and RARELY ever used in class 7 & 8 trucks, I don't believe that the major heavy truck manufacturers even carry them on the books anymore as an option, since the advent of automating the manuals.... Huge difference between "automatic" and Automated. It's a real shame that So many so called modern day "truck drivers" (steering wheel holders, for the most part!) don't have a clue about the "mechanics" of what they are driving any more.
Ninety plus percent of them couldn't even change a flat tire on the side of the road if their life depended on it, any more! Absolutely.. Pathetic how the people and this country has Declined in just the last 30 years.. especially. Also, the Only part of a fully manual truck transmission that is "air-shifted", is the Hi-Lo range selector valve and the piston controlling the gear splitter in Hi-range.
Ironic that Europe has automatic trucks, but manual cars, and America is the exact opposite.
@@hugolafhugolaf This has shifted a lot. Now everyone drives an automatic car over here. Drives me nuts, because a lot of cool cars are only automatic these days
SWEET ,ITS A 8V92 ,SILVER ,MY FAVORITE DIESEL, I LOVE EM.GREAT VIDEO. THANK YOU.
First off, retired mechanic, not a professional driver (by a long shot)
46 years ago when I started my mechanical journey, they company I worked for ran Kenworth 850 off highway logging trucks. They had a mix match of transmissions, combination of powershift and gear jammers.
The sticks were spicer 6X4. 12V71 natural detroits for power.
Those trucks ran about 100 ton payloads, didn't go fast but they got the wood to the log dump.
I never got to drive a loaded, but put lots of test drive miles on empty trucks. All of us brain dead apprentices would all try to shift like the drivers. Not too many of us could. But it was fun to try.
If I remember correctly the diffs were 15:1 and we were running planetary drive axles, can't remember the reduction. Put those old girls into 1+1 and you could move the world.
1-1 you could get her in gear pop clutch get out go in the house take a 30 min nap get up walk to the end of the driveway get back in and go truckin
Big C you have to love deep reduction gears
I was able to absorb your explanation much easier than when other people has tried to explain this to me in person in the past. I imagine once you actually drive it for a while you can do it without even thinking about it. Love the glitter knobs. I love old Pete's, Macks and Kenworth's.
I don't drive a rig, don't think I ever will, have never been a driver for any job, I don't even have relatives that drive rigs, but I found myself clicking the video and watching from beginning to end..
It was pretty interesting as I've always wondered how a big rig shifting worked.
Great video.
This is such a cool truck.. I've never had the opportunity to drive a two stick but I wish I did. Looks like it would take a whole lot of practice! You sir make it look easy!
Cool. I always wanted a 6 x4. I've got one left with 5x4. Had a 13 x 4 that was the best. And had a 12v 71 with 5x4 with a over on 5th. I once straight piped a 8v71 with a 4x4. I would haul uranium through Moab UT and people would cover there ears it was so funny, you could hear me coming 4 miles away.
13X4...the Logging Package The best 1 I saw was an American LaFrance. Had a 50's Pete cab on it a Mack RQ718 5X4X2...my Hanai Uncle Boogie Lindsey was working on it for "Uncle Wally Coleman." The truck had the name "King Pau`ola" on the hood doors.
He had a old 64 Kenworth Feedlot Tractor too...5X4 5spd lo hole 1st with a 1241D auxiliary box. fucker was a clapped out red color...she was old, but she had balls for a 290 CUmmins.
I won't e en TRY to guess how many your 13x4 had (52).:) (meaning four trans..5, dual range and then split only on upper four speeds, plus second stick, a four speed.) take care
@@SteveCarras i would run brownie in direct use 13 like normal then hit over. Didnt go much faster just gave it a double over. But i had amazing low gears. I had steady run across NV from UT on 50 to a mine. It was in 72 pete dump with wagon pup
There was a heavy haul tractor that had the 13 x 4 with 2 speed rears.....you can never have enough gears
That was a wonderful explained video. I've driven my fair share of transmissions in semi trucks, but not a twin stick. After watching your video I feel much more confident in doing it if I ever get the opportunity. The 359 peterbilt is my favorite truck. I used to drive an 85 two-axle 9-speed u-shaped. They couldn't pulled me out of that truck.
i must say you're the best truck driver I ever seen driving two shifters require an art .....if anyone calls themselves real trucker its has to be you !!! hands down your the best !!!
Wow its incredible how smooth that engine sounds
Never drove a Semi but I have a huge fascination and respect them and those who drive them. Looks like a lotta work but would be fun. I wanna get my CDL and hit the road.
Don’t !
@@MegaRiffraff why not?
@@alexwilson3785 over the road does not pay well for the time investment. You can do ok if you focus on specialty stuff though. Hell, I am making more driving by the hour in a straight flatbed than most semi drivers. From chatting with them on radios, I decided not to go that route at all. Hell, you can make $100k hauling asphalt for six-eight months a year in a dump truck.
I currently haul concrete, not terrible pay and home every night lol
When I was a kid we had a fleet of 11 trucks they were all Peterbilts twin sticks and I loved the sound of those Detroit diesels oh I love your truck man
I would like to express my gratitude for you posting a closer look in how to shift a twin stick. Haven't been able to find one in awhile.
I drove this same set up in a 1984 Peterbilt (when it was brand new but, it wasn't mine)
and the reason that you don't have to split 5th gear into 6th is because it's a progressive shift.
The Main transmission gear ratio was designed to shift straight from 5th to 6th gear without
splitting with the Auxiliary transmission (although you still can, you have to go up a gear higher
in the split on the Auxiliary transmission. I'm currently looking for the same set of trannies to
go in my '79 KW W900a model. Cool video and nice truck though.
Ohhh that makes sense
Well done sir. Think I'll keep my 13spd. Impressive skill.
Thank you. Mystery revealed! Brings out the real reason we drive these rigs.... '"cause we luv 'em". Roll on good buddy!!
@tom thumb Well, you definitely was not around trucking in the 70's. It was a friendly greeting over the CB. We could shift these twin sticks and chat on the CB at the same time. Was a far better time to be trucking, in some ways, than today.
Most guys i know cant even shift with one stick let alone two and despite this looking complex you explained it very well and id feel confident to try one of these
Ah.. memories!! I used to run around in an 18 wheel water wagon wetting roads at a sand and gravel plant. It was a 1976 Autocar with an 8V 71, and a 5 + 4 speed, it shifted a bit different because of the 5 speed main box, beginning in 3rd on the main box, we used 2nd, 3rd, and 4th on the aux. box.
#1 in the brownie would be "deep under". Use it now and then so you don't have to split the boxes.
That’s awesome, I loved the explanation. I always wondered about shifting one of those maybe some day I’ll get a chance to try
Nice job explaining. I drove several two sticks over the years and they are a lot of screwing around but it just becomes the norm after a while. Always loved the sound of a 2 stroke GM.
Thank you for this video. You are the first person to come clean about this setup and not make it sound like rocket science.
Love your video mate, my dad had a mack b61 logging truck with the quad box, first"real" truck I ever drove.Love the jimmy sound.
My Grandfather had one on his farm. The boys could drive it at ten years old. And were expected to haul corn and beans.
Finally someone who knows how to drive a two stick, no need to put you hand thru the steering wheel and move both sticks at the same time. Shift one then the other. Nice job.
Very fine demonstration. I used a slightly different sequence when I drove a 6x4 but following his demonstration here you won't go wrong.
Brotha, this was a great video. Love those sounds. So many memories.
Mate great explanation and demo, love the shifting, not that I could do it.
Splitting gears with extra steps.... my goodness, why did everyone else I talk to make this out to be so much harder than it needed to be?
Thank you for showing us how to operate the double stick drive and making it easy to understand
Thank you for finally putting it out there that it is not hard rather that following the bull.
Love the video thank you for explaining that the truck sound's really great love the Detroit two strokes
Thank you for the video. I like the extension on the auxiliary transmission shifter
Stumbled on this video. Brings back memories. I've driven about every transmission out there. The most fun was an old 5 over 4 in 65 Mack during potato harvest in the fields of northern Nevada. Pulled just about anything that would fit on a flatbed. Singles and doubles.
That was clear as mud ! Basically it turns it into a close ratio gearbox. I love the shift nobs
That was a great lesson!! Thanx for the ride!
you explained that so well...and when you did the drive i knew exactly what gear you were in just from your explaination. feel like i could climb into a pete 359 and drive that box pretty much first go after watching ur vid. thanks and good work mate.
kieran jones totally agree. I’m so glad I found this video.
It's only "easy & simple" when you're Not behind the wheel. Get behind the wheel, with a full load on, a 250hp Cummins, twin stick 4x4, 5X3 or 5x4, and hit a 5+% grade, and we'll see just how "simple and easy" it is for you.
MANY, of the real truckers of the era.. who started in the 1940's... would miss downshifts all the time, and would have to pull over and start all over again, and crawl to the top.
It's NOT that "simple and easy" in actual practice... you have to really know and understand the gearing to be able grab the right gear combination, many times "skip" shifting, while the truck is pulling down Fast, until you get into a gear that it could pull up to the summit, without have to start over and crawl.
With a 2 cycle Detroit, you need to not only which or how many to skip, depending on how fast it was dropping speed, but with the fast acceleration and/or deceleration rates of the 2 cycle... if you over accelerated to match the transmission speed for the gear you were trying to get into... you'd lose more speed, so you have to instantly know which gear combination to go to, to match the falling truck speed when you got it in gear... without have to stop and start over again... in either low-low, low split or whatever gear, depending on the grade and your gross weight.
I started in 1964... and have had occasion to run just about every box combination there is, plus the single sticks, and for me... I'll take a twin stick any day, over a single stick.
On a long grade, pound for pound, load for load with identical power... I'll out-pull any single stick to the top, anywhere and anytime. I've done it Many times over in years and decades past.
I'm Very grateful that I was able to truck during the "golden years" of trucking, when the motoring public respected us, the Highway Patrol respected us, and when we were under the ICC, scales hardly existed.
I trucked with some of the nicest, best drivers, Owner/Operators and legends that ever came down the pike. There there were some real life Owner/Operator (as I was) "Legends" back in our day... Legends that books were written about, and movies were made of.
Not like these modern "chickens**t" steering wheel holders of today who don't even know that the transmissions in their phony trucks, are NOT "automatics" - they Are, AMT's - Automated MANUAL Transmissions.... made for morons who can't get past a simple three speed manual... If, even that. So glad I'm retired off OTR since 2011... but still trucking... 59 years later, with a 379 Pete and a "Big house", hauling grain.
@@Romans--bo7br total respect to you mate. you know your stuff and your years of experience certainly show in what you wrote..thank you so much for the insights from a true trucker of ledgendary statis......"I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy" (prostrate on ground before you...)
@@verumpraevaleat8177...Thank you, ever so kindly for your reply. I certainly do not consider myself any sort of a legend, but I did know and run with some of the best O/O's (Owner-Operators) of the past... true legends in the "old School" world of trucking.... definitely a Far Cry, from what passes as trucking and truck drivers, today.
There are still some good drivers "out there" these days, mostly found in the realm of "Bull Racks" (Cattle haulers), and HEAVY Haul / Over-dimensional, where only the very best are excepted... especially in HEAVY HAUL / Over-Dimensional trucking.
Anyway, I'm just very thankful that I was able to participate during the "Golden Age" of trucking and the other truckers (true O/O's), when I did. We ran some pretty big power back in those days, to.
Yes, I know there are some 600hp Cummins (factory, stock) out there, but the "average" power is 425 - 475hp these days, and they get the job done... but with all the "advancements" in engine & transmission electronics, they really haven't gained very much at all.... except to over-complicate them.
They're basically "through away" engines any more, and a number of them are no longer rebuildable... like the aluminum Detroit DD13, 15 & 16.... they are "sleeveless" engines and when they're wore out, they're finished.
The Detroit "60 Series" was a great engine...for a 4 stroke, (especially the 12.7 liter version), but you could get a million plus miles out of them, and then remann them and they'd be good for another million plus miles.
Most trucks these days are quite comfortable and quiet, as they have really managed to "castrate" the diesel engine to the point where they really don't even sound like real diesel engines anymore.
The liquids that they sell in "truck stops" these days... posing as "diesel fuel", is absolute crap.... same as gasoline, is.
I miss my "big hoods" and the steady drone of my V12 Detroits I had in my three trucks (one at a time!), and my "sticks". Nothing like the sound of a V12 (Series 71) happily "singing" at 2300+ rpm under load... pure music to the ear.... at least, to my ears.
Ooops... kinda got into writing a book, here... my apology.
PS; are you from Australia?..... and I assume that your a driver, yourself?
Take Care, and Thanks again Mate... time to get some sleep, it's Late!
@@Romans--bo7br Hey Hey, yep all-aussie here, currently living in tasmania, 58 yo and drove a Kenworth SAR tipper and dog trailer from 16 to 25 with a simple 13 speed and no guts at all. Got sick of all the close calls from ignorant car drivers so gave it up untill I took up driving buses for state-transit in Sydney from age 35 to 50. So I dont have the experience you have but big trucks were my passion from age 14 and still are...these days I build those Tamiya 1/14 scale RC trucks to satisfy my love for them...and it's a lot safer !! Used to LOVE the old Freightliner c/overs to look at and would love to buy and restore an old one. Retired now and I see all the younger blokes here driving around like cowboys and using their vehicles to intimidate plus the roads here in Tas are about the worst I've ever seen so that old spirit of comradeship and safe professionalism have sadly gone i'm afraid. True what you say about the engines and technology...and most are autos now so most drivers wouldn't even know what gear they are in let alone feeling the truck and the road. I also have a passion for steam locos and understand how each engine is different and it is a matter of being as one with the train and feeling it's personality ...steam engines would be akin to driving the 2 strokes you were talking about I would imagine..The guys who drive the roadtrains in the outback here to supply remote towns are amazing drivers I reckon. I think you should write a book...you obviously have an amazing story to tell and experiences to share. Cheers mate...BTW where are you and where did you drive?
Great job, from the time when trucks were trucks and truck drivers drove them. My Dad did it both ways. One stick at a time and both at once.
Good to see these older trucks still working on the road. Great video. Keep posting I just love them
Super informative and I love watching you shift, it may have been cool to have you call out or annotate which gears you were in and at what speeds. But killer explanation.
New drivers today will have a stroke learning the shifting pattern on an old school semi . the Eaton 13 sp to me is the most all round transmission , that 6 + 4 transmission has the best of both worlds speed and torque would be nice behind a Cat. or Cummins in that Pete. love the old school semi no check engine light or def fluid just straight motor and now due to govt. regulations on new semi's a lot of owner - operators are resurrectionting pre- 2001 semi's and going back to paper log for avoiding the crap of "E-Log" more crap created by the government. God bless the truck drivers of America
Carlos Chavez we dont have elog up here until july 2021.... and the only reason is because Americans switched to it 😏😏😏😏
Where are yall in canada
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Very interesting, I remember my uncle driving a two stick in the late 70s amazing video.
Yup, that sure explained it all, right down to the diagrams and thorough narration, careful explanation, everything. I bet this is how they teach all sorts of truck driving methods. Wiggle the sticks with the plastic balls on the ends, and anybody can, as one under-educated operator puts it, “drive truck.”
Ah the good old days of trucking, i started driving trucks in the late 70's and just retired, miss being on the road.
It's sad when you older guys leave the industry. I am into trucking 22 yrs now and I am considered an old timer by the rookies. Meeting guys like you opens my eyes that I am still just a rookie, lol. Be safe
In the late 60’s drove a Pete with a Cummins 235 and 5x4 trans
Will Kastens..... I think you meant you drove a Pete with a "335" Cummins.... Not a "235". Just a "typo".
You spoke the truth about some guys making it seem difficult and like they had a special gift. It does take some seat time that's for sure.
Thanks for explaining how the gears work on these fabulous rigs.
I know how easy it must be for you guys/gals who run these trucks but I can recall trying to explain to someone how a FOUR speed car manual box works in the UK and how you "know" when to shift when you know how and that was confusing to the learner driver too, now years late stirring cogs in boxes comes as 2nd nature to many drivers, once you know what you are doing and WHEN to do it! Great video, thank you, love this!
Great vid with really good explanations. Congrats. Engine sounds great while shifting through the gears. Laborious twin sticks definitely not necessary in Europe/Germany because since the 1960s there had been 8 and 12 (12,5) gears with one shifter and a little knob already been available.
Thanks a lot for making taping editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health.
Amen!No e-log on that oldie. That right there makes it a superior truck.
"Oh noes, I have to follow the rules!"
I drove a GMC Astro that had an 8-71 and 4x4, main trans shifted manually, aux was air shift. Your truck is far classier, what we all dreamed of back then!
My first over the road truck was 71 K100 with a 335 and a 4and4. Heck of a horse in its day. Sure miss those days. Been running a 13 for
many years and still long for a set of sticks.