This is pretty much spot on! Getting harder & harder to row the magnificent ship they built a few years back & the "Captains" never took responsibility. Literally the only decent higher ups? They quit alongside the colleagues they respected that were being fired.
Sony thought process: "These people took the reigns of one of the most potentially profitable franchises from this century, drove it into the ground, ran the company in the red for years, nearly drove it into solvency, lied to us during acquisition negotiations, cost us billions of dollars in less than 5 years, falsely led us towards a live service model that has indirectly cost us another $1+ billion that also set us back in company wide video game development by years, has an ever dwindling future capacity of creating a profit from their existing titles, has very little chance of creating a profit from future titles that are in active development... let's keep them around and bring them closer to the Sony chest."
Parsons' head game must be godly fr. Bungie's continuing ability to get Sony to act against their self interest is fascinating. I half expect that the next we hear, Sony will be putting Bungie in charge of all playstation, lol
well...yes, bungie f up destiny 2 and 1, it's not sony or activision who sunset stuff, code like sh*t, take 3 week to open a door and lightfall, sony didn't spend the 3 billion given for bungie in 1 year; sony don't maintain eververse. Bungie dig is own grave since halo2 and now it's time to let go
One of the coping reasons I think sony is absorbing bungie is because they had an addicting game that treated their playerbase like an abusive relationship but giving us some hea- some goated gameplay made us stay for a decade. This is generational profits if used in the right hands. Not for good reason but bungie is kinda like that in terms of having a choke hold on its audience. Peak abuse and it should be in the hall of fame
Most of the video is wrong. One person went to Sony, others left entirely. It's kind of amazing how someone can read a few lines of text and comprehend almost none of it.
Marathon should've been what iD did with Doom 2016, a revamp to the series to being the IP to a new audience while also refreshing it for the old audience. Not a SINGLE SOUL on this planet asked for this game to be a genre that's COMPLETELY different from the original that spits in the face of all the work and lore of Marathon...
🙌 I've hadn't played the og games until hearing/seeing the first new trailer bungie dropped. INSTANTLY went an played them afterwards. Then news of marathon be a tarkov experience came and I've lost ALL DESIRE TO CARE what happens with marathons release.🫤
I’ve just played all 3 of the games, and I’m quite of the opposite opinion. I’m genuinely happy they are revitalizing the franchise and bringing it to a new medium. Would I have preferred a doom/ half life style game? Absolutely lol, I’m not insane, but I’m not too mad that it is trying to explore a new space. The game looks great, they started off with an ARG which for me is always a fantastic start, the art direction looks fantastic, and the idea of it evolving based on player interactions in the world really makes me excited. Only time will tell though, merry Christmas my friend ❤️
@@TzrcWolf_problem is this space while not extremely saturated is controlled by games like Tarkov and Arena breakout with some others. I really doubt players of those games that play for the “realistic” and gritty feel of the game would be willing to switch to a game like Marathon with its bright colors and abstract art. Destiny’s player base for the most part would definitely not migrate to Marathon for a long time. Plus extraction shooters have lost a lot of traction over the years. As you said a remake/reimagining of the originals like 2016 Doom would’ve been much better.
@@emilianocastillejos1330 We ultimately don’t know enough about the gameplay to really make any notes. Could be fundamentally different form Tarkov gameplay wise hopefully opening up a new audience, but it could also be too similar for anyone to care to transfer. I personally love what we have seen of the aesthetic they are aiming for and enjoy the lore of the franchise + I’ve never touched an extraction shooter, so it will be an experience at least.
My guess... even though Destiny has been failing, Sony may see Pete as someone who can keep a ship going, no matter what. Things are very bad, Pete sucks, BUT...he apparently is an absolute pro when it comes to keeping a game alive, even if it is him that keeps almost killing it. From a business perspective, they may see his tenacity and shrewd practice as a win? Idk. I'm just throwing crap at the wall. It makes no sense to me either
It’s probably not that easy to just fire him. Legally and money wise. I mean he was the CEO of an independent company, he probably is protected in many ways.
Logical Reason: As CEO he has no effect on how well DLCs and marketing is perceived. Why would he be blamed for the abysmal performance of Lightfall that pretty much sealed Final Shape’s fate? Crazy Reason: Sony the company that owns Bungie doesn’t actually know what’s going on, or Pete is a super smooth talker to the Californian and Japanese board. Political Reason: Pete is super progressive which aligns with Playstation California’s views and Sony is making a boatload of money off their non progressive games so they its ok to keep him. On one hand that’s a logical reason, on the other they made 3 or 4 stories about a gay couple where one of them was outright stated to be straight originally. It’s definitely not reason 2 though.
Prolly cause Parson was not really in control shortly after the acquisition? Both Schreier and Grubb reported that Sony was pulling the strings and Parson was just the face of it.
Wayne Gretzky once said the reason he was so good on the ice was he "skated to where the puck will be, not where it has been." Since game dev takes years, Bungie trying to get into extraction shooters when it was hot, thus risking that it will still be "the thing" several years down the line, is an example of skating to where the puck has been. And now extraction shooters aren't as popular as they once were. Meanwhile they have (or had, the way it's declining) an IP with a built in fanbase that just wanted a D3 (or continued major developer investment in D2). So they risked it all on Marathon and likely will roll snake eyes.
@therealcactoos9457 you know, at first I was blizcon immortal announcement upset but being a new dad(son is 1yr old jan) with one on the way, I've been LOVING mobile games (not P2W) because my phone is all I have right now so who knows! Your average gamer is 33 with 3 kids so...
On the other hand though, there aren’t any console extraction shooters like it. So whilst the market on PC got stale with too many military style extraction shooters, there haven’t been any prolific console Sci-Fi ones and that might be the niche that lets Marathon be successful. I know it’s got me interested and I had zero interest in the genre beforehand
Helldivers blew up this year as a PVExtraction shooter tho. Where Bungie is going wrong with Marathon is making it PVP, instead of PVE. Sony could have 2 hot IP's on their hands that they wouldn't have to sink resources into combating PVP cheating with, but instead they'll have one solid 3rd person PVE, and a DOA PVP FPS.
It’s been the problem since Destiny’s inception. A game we were all addicted to and all we ever wanted was just more of it and it’s not like we wouldn’t have been willing to pay for more content all they had to do was make it. Instead of giving tens of millions to the people at the top Sony should have invested into keeping those people who were laid off working. Such a squandered opportunity. Any business would wish to have the problem of just making more and having their products print money. Not sure how someone screws that up. Overthinking and trying to reinvent the wheel instead of just doing what works I suppose. Just keep churning out content and fixing anything that’s broken they could have literally been on auto pilot.
Tbh the genre has died down now it is almost doomed to flop. They should have dropped this idea years ago and continued putting everything into destiny the game that actually makes them money.
Remember when Bungo said they would stay independent and still do their thing and not get wrapped into sony. Just like everything else they have told us through out the years LIES
I think Marathon would sell a ton better if it was a Halo-esque narrative campaign rather than a whatever the hell Tarkov style game it was designed as. I'd be down for a good ole' campaign focused game!
Exactly.. but then it'd be like Destiny lite. An extraction shooter is NOT the play though. They're about 3 years too late to a market that's already very small. Bewildering decisions. They have one single profitable product, Destiny 2. Why they wouldn't continue to invest in that is completely beyond me. Some of the worst management I've ever seen.
There also just releasing it or planning to at an awful time. If they continued to make d2 as good as it once was or atleast kept the quality of tfs atleast I as a destiny player would have gave it a shot. Now 100% won’t touch it
@@beeman4266 Having Destiny as their halo franchise (no pun intended) is fine, they just need to diversify their portfolio. Destiny obviously doesn't make enough money to fund its own development. I've said it before, but Bungie is like Porsche in the 90's. They had their halo sports car in the 911, and they were bleeding money until they came out with the Cayenne, which single handedly saved the company, allowing them to use the profits to fund the development of the 911. Bungie needs their Porsche Cayenne moment.
Pretty sure Pete isn't working at Sony, he's just at Bungie under Sony, same as before - considering the state Bungie is in, I'm not entirely sure Sony would put him in a high up position at their own company
I guess SONY said that they REALLY needed Pete "Million Dollar Car Collection" Parson as well as Justin "Underdeliver" Truman. This shit is a joke at this point. lmao
4:59 they're definitely hanging on to the name. The name itself sells. But with the question if its still actually the Bungie that you know? That's a different story.
I don't know if I want a D3 man - have been a destiny addict since beta but I'm so happy right now to escaped the hamster wheel … got so much more time for other games and to touch grass … just looking forward to a game which don't feels like a second job with fomo
@@drnastystash who hurt you? there is a difference in games to force you with timegated events oder items to play it or if I choose my time whenever I like to play it
Honestly, I wont be buying a bungie made game anymore. Sony has nothing to do with it but its bungies own attitude towards their own game, community, and employees.
If d2 doesn't even have a base right now, idk why you think marathons going to save everything. They went a whole other direction than what there community sits at. They have no bridge outside of the drama between D2 and Marathon.
What annoys me the most about Bungie over the last few years is the lack transparency and lack of foresight in showing what they are developing. They literally wait until the Day off a new season to reveal the trailer. If theyre banking on Marathon than they need to show the product not just give empty words “its good, you’ll love. Trust us” 😑
I think cross misread this article because nothing in this had anything to do with Pete's position since he is CEO not COO and not the entire c suite was absirbed
I have zero faith in bungie to deliver with marathon. I don’t like extraction games. They destroyed destiny 2 on their own. I’m honestly done with them as a game studio based on how they treated me in d2. It’s good that we have so many options as gamers.
I don’t really see these as lateral moves in the way everyone else is. You typically can’t just outright fire executives without cause (and no, making a bad game isn’t cause) and in most cases there’s language in contracts that protects them. I see SOME of these moves as the typical executive getting a “promotion” until they retire or contract runs out. Even if they have fancy titles under Sony, there they ultimately have to answer to Sony leadership in a way they didn’t before.
Then he goes and takes all employees😂 wich were affected by the Layoffs back and then sony will get a new name..... Bungie The next twid will be introduced with Two steps Ahead... narrated by Pete himself... He is playing the long game
Sony IS in charger but for whatever reason the remaining bungie staff doesn’t want to stick around. I just want to have a fun game to play. That’s all I can say.
It's just hard for me to believe that Destiny 3 would be anything more than a middling 6 or 7 out of 10 game launch, considering Bungie has only ever put out just okay Vanilla launches with Destiny. Are people really forgetting how quickly things went south after D1 and D2 launches? Now sure, maybe Bungie has more wisdom on how to produce a great launch for a hypothetical D3. But how long until the seals in the community start barking and crying for "When are we getting *insert raid or dungeon content* remastered in D3?" What is the point really of shoveling off all of D2 into maintenance mode and launching a D3 that's likely going to launch with perhaps the same problems the previous two games had. People are already complaining about having to regrind armor in Frontiers, nevermind that that is a perfectly normal and reasonable thing to do in most MMO's. You think they're not gonna bitch and complain about "I want new loot to grind! But also carry over all my favorite 5/5 god rolls I never use otherwise I'll review-bomb the game." Destiny 3 would have to be something so monumentally different in direction and scale that no doubt a lot of people would be pissed about it anyway. I'm personally more alright with them trying to refine the existing game. And hey, I'd still play a D3, but I bet my left nut all the people crying about NEEDING a D3 are the same people who would nitpick and ACTUAL D3 to death.
They can only refine destiny 2 so much and it's fucking falling apart right before our very eyes. Unless they pull a final Fantasy XIV where they shut the whole game down to actually fix the ageing engine to where they can actually be able to perform the bug fixes and keep adding content that the community keeps screaming at them to do for years. It's either a complete reset in the form of destiny 3...or a complete reset for Destiny 2 because the game software itself can't keep up with any of us anymore. When are they going to bring back content they took from the game like they promised or at the very least just give us the full story from the vaulted content? When are they going to fix the new player onboarding because we both know the community is horrid to new players more often then not. When are we going to get something that isn't the same seasonal content we been doing for years now? Are we going to still be dealing with massive game breaking bugs still or the next big scandal cause god knows we are going to be dealing with another at some point. Honestly I hope we do get a D3 and I hope we do have to restart from the bottom up again cause thats going to be the only way for this whole damn community to shake off these types of people. Yall want to keep your destiny 2 content...yall keep playing D2 or even D1. I'm ready to finally move on to hopefully something thats better and if that fails...welp we were already in a do or die situation anyway.
@shadowlight6084 That's a fair assessment of the situation. And I know that in the long term the game would have been better-served with a proper sequel and a top to bottom revamp of the engine. I'm just really jaded and tired of all these people in comment sections and Twitter threads yapping about Destiny 3 as if it'll just fall out of the sky if they complain loudly enough OR that it would be a surefire success if it did.
I can understand being jaded by the discussions people in the destiny 2 community have but at some point we need to make a decision cause it's either we sit here and do nothing while we slowly rot to death with Destiny 2 as it is right now. Or we finally pull the trigger and go for a Destiny 3 and have a huge reset and put all of us back at 0. People want to complain about leaving their stupid 5/5 god roll that gives them a fraction of a fraction of a percent better combat effectiveness behind...then let them. They can stay with destiny 2...or even go back to destiny 1 if they happen to have a console thats still working but at some point we need to actually better the game or we all should be fine with letting destiny as a franchise just end and personally...I rather go down swinging then with a whimper. We were silent when content was stripped away and sunsetted and if yall are fine with it gone from the game then yall should be fine with leaving destiny 2 behind entirely in my opinion regardless of whether a destiny 3 would succeed or not.
Unironically, a friend of mine playtested marathon, and they absolutely loved it. They couldn't tell me much about it but they've never played extraction shooters and both me and another friend do. they would talk about how they're bummed the playtest was over and how they wanted to keep playing it and that's given me a good glimmer of hope.. i haven't touched destiny 2 at all this season but I'm excited for something new.
I feel like Marathon is too late even though I’m cautiously excited for it. If Delta Force gets released on console prior to Marathon I feel like they’ve got no chance.
I understand people saying “x genera is popular anymore!” Like yes cool I agree maybe it’s not, but the argument shatters hopelessly when people said that to hero shooters even more than extraction games. Now look at rivals! It’s huge because people wanted it, and wanted passionate devs behind it!
Cross. They work for Sony now. Which means Sony can fire them. It's bigger than you seem to understand. Sony can now hold certain individuals accountable when things go south. Marathon isn't going to be a success. It's going to be another Concord. The following Bungie had dwindled, and people have moved on. The extraction shooter fan base isn't going to be keen on playing a game from a company that's falling apart like Bungie. Add on all horrific PR from the last 3 years and layoffs. People don't want to touch Bungie games outside of the old Halo games. I know Cross is playing devils advocate here, but we need to be objective and read the room. Bungie is a massive red flag studio that's being absorbed by Sony because of mismanagement at every turn.
It is definitely great how once you get to a certain level you just fail upwards. Everyone in your area just gives you that golden parachute to land on your feet in a similar role some place else. Most people who do a poor job and get let go but not when you hit that level. It is great. RE: Marathon - it is a very interesting situation. If the game is not the massive success they so desperately need it to be, do they double down to try and save it, moving more resources from Destiny? Do they then try to pivot to Destiny after all the damage that has been done? Is the studio fully gone? What if it is an amazing success? Does Destiny go down the route of Paragon, Unreal Tournament and the original Fortnite when Battle Royale was a huge hit for Epic?
Doesn’t that mean they have tighter control of the decisions and actual holder of those positions? Since Sony “acquired” them, does it that mean those positions are under their control? I’m not really a business kinda guy.
It’s no loss clearing out the C suite. There are probably financial reasons a few of them were transferred to Sony but I imagine it’s a transitional position.
Not changing the release date on Marathon for next year without any gameplay reveal or even a Beta schedule seems like a big gamble for Bungie at this point but I do hope they deliver a good game to see how much of the core gameplay fun and creativity is still within Bungie DNA. And please make Marathon a F2P! If they try and charge for an extraction shooter now, with so many good shooter (extraction and otherwise) already out there, Marathon will absolutely go Concord and die on release. Also, don’t believe a D3 will ever be on the table for next year (or ever) since Sony for now has nothing but dumped money on Bungie and they are not about to make such an investment unless Bungie has something to show for it, which is why so much is ridding on Marathon. If Marathon delivers (let’s say a Marvel Rivals success story) absolutely they will work on a new Destiny. But if not… it’s bye bye for Bungie!
yeah literally.. since like shadowkeep at least. which is crazy cause that’s 5 years ago. I keep going back to Destiny because i want it to be the game i played so long ago- but every time it’s not and i login with disappointment. im so sad that it’s a different game now.
If Barretts case goes to the courts a lot of other names will probably be opened up for all the shit show that the management have been up to and will probably cripple the company into ending.. Sony seems to be taking the best of the Bungie team with them..
We hear everyone claim we need a Destiny 3, but I doubt the player base would want to go through the motions we've had with D1 and D2 again. I'm a D1 Beta vet, been playing since day 1, and I know I wouldn't want to start over given Bungies cycles. They should have been focusing their efforts on the next saga and expanding on D2. It's too late now, and here we are on life support (if you can even call it that with all of the recent bugs and new ones showing up). I know people are reserved for Marathon, but as mentioned, it's a genre no one cares for anymore. Imo, they waited too long and now if it doesn't release as F2P, it wont stand a chance. I have a suspicion that Sony is just going to push it out, let it fail Ala-concord style, absorb bungie, and back to business as usual. Or just cancel the project entirely, absorb bungie, and back to business as usual. The outcome any way you look at it, is grimm for Bungie and Destiny.
We need a fresh reset for destiny and the only one that would be accepted is if they made a d3. Honestly like make it so the vex win or some shit and we basically die and get lost/stuck somewhere in like a weird time vault and have the traveler explode and then that's how d2 ends. But then the final end cutscene is like our ghost in our hands almost crushed to death by rubble with a little flicker of light. Start of D3 is like the world/place we get stuck in transforming and morphing like vex stuff does and it moves the rubble off our body freeing the ghost to rez us in a post apocalypse vex world where we find some weird time gate that we tried to break in the end of d2 to jump into it and it sends us into a different past reality and make up a new fresh different universe where like the witness wasn't even a thing and it was a evil wish dragon or a big frog or something, idk I'm not a narrative designer.
Man..my fiance and I have a friend group that we used to read with and we just started playing again and it's sad to see how much potential this game has, yet it's just being completely gutted by poor management..the fact that someone like Pete can still claim a bonus with the current state of the game is just insane
As if anyone here understands anything in politics and how things work. If you did, you would be in Pete’s position. But you’re not, hence why you’re crying on social media thinking you know something. 😂 I’m going back to The Division 2. What a debacle Destiny 2 has become in two years.
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At bungie there are 5 people steering the ship and 1 person rowing and when they get lost they fire the person who’s rowing.
This is pretty much spot on! Getting harder & harder to row the magnificent ship they built a few years back & the "Captains" never took responsibility. Literally the only decent higher ups? They quit alongside the colleagues they respected that were being fired.
Fucking hell man...nailed it to a T...
u just copied what elon said about japanese vs american car companies on joe rogan
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@@eze7647 That's from an article from 2007.
Hope everyone here except Pete Parsons has a very nice Christmas.
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Pete Parsons' car collection is gonna be dlc for gran turismo
Bro's larping Gran Turismo irl
His favorite game was probably Burnout
Or GTA6
Lmao 🤣
Lame overused joke format
Sony thought process: "These people took the reigns of one of the most potentially profitable franchises from this century, drove it into the ground, ran the company in the red for years, nearly drove it into solvency, lied to us during acquisition negotiations, cost us billions of dollars in less than 5 years, falsely led us towards a live service model that has indirectly cost us another $1+ billion that also set us back in company wide video game development by years, has an ever dwindling future capacity of creating a profit from their existing titles, has very little chance of creating a profit from future titles that are in active development... let's keep them around and bring them closer to the Sony chest."
Parsons' head game must be godly fr.
Bungie's continuing ability to get Sony to act against their self interest is fascinating. I half expect that the next we hear, Sony will be putting Bungie in charge of all playstation, lol
Whoops
Insolvency* otherwise pretty much sums it up
well...yes, bungie f up destiny 2 and 1, it's not sony or activision who sunset stuff, code like sh*t, take 3 week to open a door and lightfall, sony didn't spend the 3 billion given for bungie in 1 year; sony don't maintain eververse. Bungie dig is own grave since halo2 and now it's time to let go
One of the coping reasons I think sony is absorbing bungie is because they had an addicting game that treated their playerbase like an abusive relationship but giving us some hea- some goated gameplay made us stay for a decade. This is generational profits if used in the right hands. Not for good reason but bungie is kinda like that in terms of having a choke hold on its audience. Peak abuse and it should be in the hall of fame
Sony really paid 3.6bn to hire some people
and bungie burn 3.6B in 1 year for.... layoff
They didn't get all that amount immediately but more or less they use it all
That's how most acquisitions work. IP and people or just IP. 😂
More like...to save Pete's job, and they gonna do it again!
You knew something was up when it wasn’t Microsoft
... man Bungie must have a godly head game.
Better than arabelle raphael?
Well they all are into that kinda thing seeing as what they virtue signal. KEKW
@@OriginalBosss she is not top tier bruh. you have to get better taste in skill
@@Djsinanethey've been virtue signalling since before it was cool. It's deeply occult.
@BakrisKills I'm gonna need some names. For research purposes.
how do you manage to almost bankrupt a company and then all of the sudden you receive a promotion ?
Title is a complete lie. He did not transition to Sony
What being a CEO gets you 😂
When you work in corporate and have an MBA, anything is possible!
Head game goated probably
Thats american capitalism business in a nutshell. Fail up.
Marathon is going to tank.
It should be good I mean they did take the talent who made destiny to work on it and just left the diversity hires in charge of d2
@@wv11989 yeah but destiny excelled from pve not pvp
Just because how they have handled destiny we should boycott Marathon
@@wv11989 I don't care if it's good. It doesn't deserve to succeed
Sure asf hope so. Purely out of spite
Your title is wrong. Pete is still at Bungie. He did not transition to Sony.
Most of the video is wrong. One person went to Sony, others left entirely. It's kind of amazing how someone can read a few lines of text and comprehend almost none of it.
Now he can fire hundreds when the next Sony exclusive drops
Marathon should've been what iD did with Doom 2016, a revamp to the series to being the IP to a new audience while also refreshing it for the old audience.
Not a SINGLE SOUL on this planet asked for this game to be a genre that's COMPLETELY different from the original that spits in the face of all the work and lore of Marathon...
🙌 I've hadn't played the og games until hearing/seeing the first new trailer bungie dropped. INSTANTLY went an played them afterwards. Then news of marathon be a tarkov experience came and I've lost ALL DESIRE TO CARE what happens with marathons release.🫤
I’ve just played all 3 of the games, and I’m quite of the opposite opinion.
I’m genuinely happy they are revitalizing the franchise and bringing it to a new medium. Would I have preferred a doom/ half life style game? Absolutely lol, I’m not insane, but I’m not too mad that it is trying to explore a new space.
The game looks great, they started off with an ARG which for me is always a fantastic start, the art direction looks fantastic, and the idea of it evolving based on player interactions in the world really makes me excited.
Only time will tell though, merry Christmas my friend ❤️
@@TzrcWolf_problem is this space while not extremely saturated is controlled by games like Tarkov and Arena breakout with some others. I really doubt players of those games that play for the “realistic” and gritty feel of the game would be willing to switch to a game like Marathon with its bright colors and abstract art.
Destiny’s player base for the most part would definitely not migrate to Marathon for a long time. Plus extraction shooters have lost a lot of traction over the years. As you said a remake/reimagining of the originals like 2016 Doom would’ve been much better.
I couldn't care less about Marathon, so as my friends who play Destiny. It's a waste of time and resources and it'll flop astronomically like Concord.
@@emilianocastillejos1330 We ultimately don’t know enough about the gameplay to really make any notes. Could be fundamentally different form Tarkov gameplay wise hopefully opening up a new audience, but it could also be too similar for anyone to care to transfer.
I personally love what we have seen of the aesthetic they are aiming for and enjoy the lore of the franchise + I’ve never touched an extraction shooter, so it will be an experience at least.
This is called "failing upward".
So Sony see the Bungie CEO doing nothing wrong...how?
My guess... even though Destiny has been failing, Sony may see Pete as someone who can keep a ship going, no matter what. Things are very bad, Pete sucks, BUT...he apparently is an absolute pro when it comes to keeping a game alive, even if it is him that keeps almost killing it. From a business perspective, they may see his tenacity and shrewd practice as a win? Idk. I'm just throwing crap at the wall. It makes no sense to me either
It’s probably not that easy to just fire him. Legally and money wise. I mean he was the CEO of an independent company, he probably is protected in many ways.
Logical Reason: As CEO he has no effect on how well DLCs and marketing is perceived. Why would he be blamed for the abysmal performance of Lightfall that pretty much sealed Final Shape’s fate?
Crazy Reason: Sony the company that owns Bungie doesn’t actually know what’s going on, or Pete is a super smooth talker to the Californian and Japanese board.
Political Reason: Pete is super progressive which aligns with Playstation California’s views and Sony is making a boatload of money off their non progressive games so they its ok to keep him.
On one hand that’s a logical reason, on the other they made 3 or 4 stories about a gay couple where one of them was outright stated to be straight originally. It’s definitely not reason 2 though.
@@johnstewart1502”political reason” is a bunch of bullshit. Everyone knows Pete isn’t liberal
Prolly cause Parson was not really in control shortly after the acquisition? Both Schreier and Grubb reported that Sony was pulling the strings and Parson was just the face of it.
Wayne Gretzky once said the reason he was so good on the ice was he "skated to where the puck will be, not where it has been." Since game dev takes years, Bungie trying to get into extraction shooters when it was hot, thus risking that it will still be "the thing" several years down the line, is an example of skating to where the puck has been. And now extraction shooters aren't as popular as they once were. Meanwhile they have (or had, the way it's declining) an IP with a built in fanbase that just wanted a D3 (or continued major developer investment in D2). So they risked it all on Marathon and likely will roll snake eyes.
Ironically, the mobile game might be the forefront of the Destiny series, and Bungie as a whole 💀
@therealcactoos9457 you know, at first I was blizcon immortal announcement upset but being a new dad(son is 1yr old jan) with one on the way, I've been LOVING mobile games (not P2W) because my phone is all I have right now so who knows!
Your average gamer is 33 with 3 kids so...
On the other hand though, there aren’t any console extraction shooters like it. So whilst the market on PC got stale with too many military style extraction shooters, there haven’t been any prolific console Sci-Fi ones and that might be the niche that lets Marathon be successful. I know it’s got me interested and I had zero interest in the genre beforehand
Helldivers blew up this year as a PVExtraction shooter tho. Where Bungie is going wrong with Marathon is making it PVP, instead of PVE. Sony could have 2 hot IP's on their hands that they wouldn't have to sink resources into combating PVP cheating with, but instead they'll have one solid 3rd person PVE, and a DOA PVP FPS.
It’s been the problem since Destiny’s inception. A game we were all addicted to and all we ever wanted was just more of it and it’s not like we wouldn’t have been willing to pay for more content all they had to do was make it. Instead of giving tens of millions to the people at the top Sony should have invested into keeping those people who were laid off working. Such a squandered opportunity. Any business would wish to have the problem of just making more and having their products print money. Not sure how someone screws that up. Overthinking and trying to reinvent the wheel instead of just doing what works I suppose. Just keep churning out content and fixing anything that’s broken they could have literally been on auto pilot.
Pete needs to go. The company is failing under his leadership. As long as he remains, Bungie will suffer.
Who cares lmao
Musk should just buy it and fire all the clowns from the circus
@@TwiceBubaigawara-dl5lnyea at least elon cares about games
Luigi Mangione: “I’ll take care of him”
@@ringomandingo1015 Negative. I mean fired or laid off. That's not funny.
I cant wait till Marathon comes out and it absolutely fckin flops.
Concord,part two
Tbh the genre has died down now it is almost doomed to flop. They should have dropped this idea years ago and continued putting everything into destiny the game that actually makes them money.
Always was going to.
@@adamboy0559 Tarkov isn’t dead and Delta Force just came out which is a extraction shooter.
@@usr01 never said dead did I, I said died down. Very different things
Remember when Bungo said they would stay independent and still do their thing and not get wrapped into sony. Just like everything else they have told us through out the years LIES
Sony must have really loved his car collection
GT7 DLC: The "Pete P Car Collection" bundle...
Polyphony Digita wants to know his location
😂
Do not understand how these days you are horrible at your job you fail upwards. These times we live in are insane.
Failed us, maybe. His wallet, not so much. Sony might want pointers.
I think Marathon would sell a ton better if it was a Halo-esque narrative campaign rather than a whatever the hell Tarkov style game it was designed as. I'd be down for a good ole' campaign focused game!
Exactly.. but then it'd be like Destiny lite. An extraction shooter is NOT the play though. They're about 3 years too late to a market that's already very small. Bewildering decisions.
They have one single profitable product, Destiny 2. Why they wouldn't continue to invest in that is completely beyond me. Some of the worst management I've ever seen.
There also just releasing it or planning to at an awful time. If they continued to make d2 as good as it once was or atleast kept the quality of tfs atleast I as a destiny player would have gave it a shot. Now 100% won’t touch it
@@beeman4266 Having Destiny as their halo franchise (no pun intended) is fine, they just need to diversify their portfolio. Destiny obviously doesn't make enough money to fund its own development. I've said it before, but Bungie is like Porsche in the 90's. They had their halo sports car in the 911, and they were bleeding money until they came out with the Cayenne, which single handedly saved the company, allowing them to use the profits to fund the development of the 911. Bungie needs their Porsche Cayenne moment.
My guess is Sony was invited to Pete’s car collection viewing party and loves it…. 😂
If he showed them the collection then he will Fire them tomorrow? 😅
Can we agree that Activision wasn’t as bad as everyone cried about. You look back at what we had Destiny and Bungie employees I think were better off.
Pretty sure Pete isn't working at Sony, he's just at Bungie under Sony, same as before - considering the state Bungie is in, I'm not entirely sure Sony would put him in a high up position at their own company
Looks like he was the finalshape
I guess SONY said that they REALLY needed Pete "Million Dollar Car Collection" Parson as well as Justin "Underdeliver" Truman. This shit is a joke at this point. lmao
3:43 soooo the title of this video is just a straight up lie?
Y...yes
Average Actecross Clickbait strikes again.
Pete needs to go.
Bungie is SIVA and are slowly taking over their host, Sony
4:59 they're definitely hanging on to the name. The name itself sells. But with the question if its still actually the Bungie that you know? That's a different story.
I don't know if I want a D3 man - have been a destiny addict since beta but I'm so happy right now to escaped the hamster wheel … got so much more time for other games and to touch grass … just looking forward to a game which don't feels like a second job with fomo
Everygame is fomo idiot, time keeps passing and u will miss out on anything u dont take part in, but keep coping to feel better
@@drnastystash who hurt you?
there is a difference in games to force you with timegated events oder items to play it or if I choose my time whenever I like to play it
Quite possibly the best ad placement I've seen on TH-cam
Honestly, I wont be buying a bungie made game anymore. Sony has nothing to do with it but its bungies own attitude towards their own game, community, and employees.
At least Pete can add to his car collection
Please link to the article in the description
So Pete didn't leave... the gif was pretty click bait esque
If d2 doesn't even have a base right now, idk why you think marathons going to save everything. They went a whole other direction than what there community sits at. They have no bridge outside of the drama between D2 and Marathon.
What annoys me the most about Bungie over the last few years is the lack transparency and lack of foresight in showing what they are developing. They literally wait until the Day off a new season to reveal the trailer.
If theyre banking on Marathon than they need to show the product not just give empty words “its good, you’ll love. Trust us” 😑
Don't forget that Bungie and Sony had ps exclusives for D1, I believe it was 6 month exclusivity
I think cross misread this article because nothing in this had anything to do with Pete's position since he is CEO not COO and not the entire c suite was absirbed
Those in business understand there is no such thing as a merger only takeovers
Petition for more Aztec poetry
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I have zero faith in bungie to deliver with marathon. I don’t like extraction games. They destroyed destiny 2 on their own. I’m honestly done with them as a game studio based on how they treated me in d2. It’s good that we have so many options as gamers.
From being a Microsoft executive to a Sony employee now. How times change
That was a beautiful ad read, Cross. Merry Christmas.
It’s called failing upward. Instead of being fired they get promoted. Happens all the time.
I don’t really see these as lateral moves in the way everyone else is. You typically can’t just outright fire executives without cause (and no, making a bad game isn’t cause) and in most cases there’s language in contracts that protects them. I see SOME of these moves as the typical executive getting a “promotion” until they retire or contract runs out. Even if they have fancy titles under Sony, there they ultimately have to answer to Sony leadership in a way they didn’t before.
Time for Pete to lay off everyone at Sony now! :)
Then he goes and takes all employees😂 wich were affected by the Layoffs back and then sony will get a new name..... Bungie
The next twid will be introduced with
Two steps Ahead... narrated by Pete himself...
He is playing the long game
This is not the video to be putting an ad in at the beginning
At this point, bro's becoming a money hog
The dude needs all the help he can get since destiny views are in the trash
Why? It's his job
I don't blame him
Dude who cares
This was an unexpected video and a nice treat for Christmas. We appreciate the work you do, Merry Christmas brother.
I hope bringing the executive branch of Bungie in-house means the right heads can start rolling.
Sony IS in charger but for whatever reason the remaining bungie staff doesn’t want to stick around. I just want to have a fun game to play. That’s all I can say.
It's just hard for me to believe that Destiny 3 would be anything more than a middling 6 or 7 out of 10 game launch, considering Bungie has only ever put out just okay Vanilla launches with Destiny. Are people really forgetting how quickly things went south after D1 and D2 launches? Now sure, maybe Bungie has more wisdom on how to produce a great launch for a hypothetical D3. But how long until the seals in the community start barking and crying for "When are we getting *insert raid or dungeon content* remastered in D3?" What is the point really of shoveling off all of D2 into maintenance mode and launching a D3 that's likely going to launch with perhaps the same problems the previous two games had. People are already complaining about having to regrind armor in Frontiers, nevermind that that is a perfectly normal and reasonable thing to do in most MMO's. You think they're not gonna bitch and complain about "I want new loot to grind! But also carry over all my favorite 5/5 god rolls I never use otherwise I'll review-bomb the game." Destiny 3 would have to be something so monumentally different in direction and scale that no doubt a lot of people would be pissed about it anyway. I'm personally more alright with them trying to refine the existing game. And hey, I'd still play a D3, but I bet my left nut all the people crying about NEEDING a D3 are the same people who would nitpick and ACTUAL D3 to death.
They can only refine destiny 2 so much and it's fucking falling apart right before our very eyes. Unless they pull a final Fantasy XIV where they shut the whole game down to actually fix the ageing engine to where they can actually be able to perform the bug fixes and keep adding content that the community keeps screaming at them to do for years. It's either a complete reset in the form of destiny 3...or a complete reset for Destiny 2 because the game software itself can't keep up with any of us anymore.
When are they going to bring back content they took from the game like they promised or at the very least just give us the full story from the vaulted content? When are they going to fix the new player onboarding because we both know the community is horrid to new players more often then not. When are we going to get something that isn't the same seasonal content we been doing for years now? Are we going to still be dealing with massive game breaking bugs still or the next big scandal cause god knows we are going to be dealing with another at some point.
Honestly I hope we do get a D3 and I hope we do have to restart from the bottom up again cause thats going to be the only way for this whole damn community to shake off these types of people. Yall want to keep your destiny 2 content...yall keep playing D2 or even D1. I'm ready to finally move on to hopefully something thats better and if that fails...welp we were already in a do or die situation anyway.
@shadowlight6084 That's a fair assessment of the situation. And I know that in the long term the game would have been better-served with a proper sequel and a top to bottom revamp of the engine. I'm just really jaded and tired of all these people in comment sections and Twitter threads yapping about Destiny 3 as if it'll just fall out of the sky if they complain loudly enough OR that it would be a surefire success if it did.
I can understand being jaded by the discussions people in the destiny 2 community have but at some point we need to make a decision cause it's either we sit here and do nothing while we slowly rot to death with Destiny 2 as it is right now. Or we finally pull the trigger and go for a Destiny 3 and have a huge reset and put all of us back at 0. People want to complain about leaving their stupid 5/5 god roll that gives them a fraction of a fraction of a percent better combat effectiveness behind...then let them. They can stay with destiny 2...or even go back to destiny 1 if they happen to have a console thats still working but at some point we need to actually better the game or we all should be fine with letting destiny as a franchise just end and personally...I rather go down swinging then with a whimper.
We were silent when content was stripped away and sunsetted and if yall are fine with it gone from the game then yall should be fine with leaving destiny 2 behind entirely in my opinion regardless of whether a destiny 3 would succeed or not.
Sony taking a giant L
Okay Ive gotta give it to ya, the sponsor plug was pretty creative
It’s still mind boggling to me D3 is not in production. How can you make so many consecutive bad decisions 😞
They can't afford it. They're actively fighting insolvency.
I'd leave. I'm tired of my vault getting wiped. I'm not alone on this.
@@elijahford3696 indeed, if they hadn’t made so many bad ventures they wouldn’t be insolvent
How can you be “tired” of your vault getting wiped if the only time it happened franchise wise was seven years ago
Did i miss something? The article didnt say pete moved to sony....... Please tell me cross isnt starting to use fake click bait titles and thumbs.
Marathon is destined to fail : the extraction shooter genre fell off hard
Video aside that intro/Ad was really good 😂 Merry Christmas Eve Cross 🌲
I remember when we got destiny with 750 employees. How many of those are on Marathon though.
Maybe Luigi was onto something
Unironically, a friend of mine playtested marathon, and they absolutely loved it. They couldn't tell me much about it but they've never played extraction shooters and both me and another friend do. they would talk about how they're bummed the playtest was over and how they wanted to keep playing it and that's given me a good glimmer of hope.. i haven't touched destiny 2 at all this season but I'm excited for something new.
I’m excited for marathon too. Don’t get all the hate
I will not be funding pete parson's car collection with my purchase of marathon.
I feel like Marathon is too late even though I’m cautiously excited for it. If Delta Force gets released on console prior to Marathon I feel like they’ve got no chance.
I understand people saying “x genera is popular anymore!” Like yes cool I agree maybe it’s not, but the argument shatters hopelessly when people said that to hero shooters even more than extraction games. Now look at rivals! It’s huge because people wanted it, and wanted passionate devs behind it!
That intro was amazing
BARS MY MAN the ad was actually crazy
Basically… you’re screwed sony
I deleted D2 finally off my PC and Xbox and o couldn’t be happier it’s like leaving a toxic relationship haha
Cross wins the best sponsor intro for 2024!
Cross. They work for Sony now. Which means Sony can fire them. It's bigger than you seem to understand. Sony can now hold certain individuals accountable when things go south.
Marathon isn't going to be a success. It's going to be another Concord. The following Bungie had dwindled, and people have moved on.
The extraction shooter fan base isn't going to be keen on playing a game from a company that's falling apart like Bungie.
Add on all horrific PR from the last 3 years and layoffs. People don't want to touch Bungie games outside of the old Halo games.
I know Cross is playing devils advocate here, but we need to be objective and read the room. Bungie is a massive red flag studio that's being absorbed by Sony because of mismanagement at every turn.
It is definitely great how once you get to a certain level you just fail upwards. Everyone in your area just gives you that golden parachute to land on your feet in a similar role some place else. Most people who do a poor job and get let go but not when you hit that level. It is great.
RE: Marathon - it is a very interesting situation. If the game is not the massive success they so desperately need it to be, do they double down to try and save it, moving more resources from Destiny? Do they then try to pivot to Destiny after all the damage that has been done? Is the studio fully gone? What if it is an amazing success? Does Destiny go down the route of Paragon, Unreal Tournament and the original Fortnite when Battle Royale was a huge hit for Epic?
Doesn’t that mean they have tighter control of the decisions and actual holder of those positions? Since Sony “acquired” them, does it that mean those positions are under their control?
I’m not really a business kinda guy.
It’s no loss clearing out the C suite. There are probably financial reasons a few of them were transferred to Sony but I imagine it’s a transitional position.
Wild how bungie started as an Xbox studio and is now almost fully a PlayStation studio
he’s still the bungie CEO, he’s not at sony…
Our ship of theseus, Bungie, is almost fully rebuilt with new parts. Is it truly Bungie anymore?
Not changing the release date on Marathon for next year without any gameplay reveal or even a Beta schedule seems like a big gamble for Bungie at this point but I do hope they deliver a good game to see how much of the core gameplay fun and creativity is still within Bungie DNA. And please make Marathon a F2P! If they try and charge for an extraction shooter now, with so many good shooter (extraction and otherwise) already out there, Marathon will absolutely go Concord and die on release.
Also, don’t believe a D3 will ever be on the table for next year (or ever) since Sony for now has nothing but dumped money on Bungie and they are not about to make such an investment unless Bungie has something to show for it, which is why so much is ridding on Marathon. If Marathon delivers (let’s say a Marvel Rivals success story) absolutely they will work on a new Destiny. But if not… it’s bye bye for Bungie!
So was this clickbait? Pete is still with bungie and title says hes with sony but all i saw was hes still there drowning bungie till it dies.
It's clickbait
Bungie has been Bungie only in name for years now.
yeah literally.. since like shadowkeep at least.
which is crazy cause that’s 5 years ago.
I keep going back to Destiny because i want it to be the game i played so long ago- but every time it’s not and i login with disappointment. im so sad that it’s a different game now.
@tucrepap indeed, I feel pretty much the same.
What an intro 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Got to make him an employee before you can fire him 🎉🎉🎉 MERRY FUCKING CHRISTMAS EVERYONE
I'm going to miss the Christmas twab this year! That shit was great
Well thats good news and I hope marathon will carry if D2 dies in 2025. Also 2025 for games is gonna be crazy and I can't wait to play a lot!
Crazy ironic how Marathon will probably both be the start and end of Bungie
If Barretts case goes to the courts a lot of other names will probably be opened up for all the shit show that the management have been up to and will probably cripple the company into ending.. Sony seems to be taking the best of the Bungie team with them..
Bruh the title of this video is misleading. Why?
Merry Christmas Cross! Love your content!
Ok that ad read was worth clicking on the video
We hear everyone claim we need a Destiny 3, but I doubt the player base would want to go through the motions we've had with D1 and D2 again. I'm a D1 Beta vet, been playing since day 1, and I know I wouldn't want to start over given Bungies cycles.
They should have been focusing their efforts on the next saga and expanding on D2. It's too late now, and here we are on life support (if you can even call it that with all of the recent bugs and new ones showing up).
I know people are reserved for Marathon, but as mentioned, it's a genre no one cares for anymore. Imo, they waited too long and now if it doesn't release as F2P, it wont stand a chance. I have a suspicion that Sony is just going to push it out, let it fail Ala-concord style, absorb bungie, and back to business as usual. Or just cancel the project entirely, absorb bungie, and back to business as usual.
The outcome any way you look at it, is grimm for Bungie and Destiny.
The only way Bungie can be saved is if someone offers Sony to buy its Bungie assets and rebuilds Bungie.
Merry Christmas ⛄⛄
We need a fresh reset for destiny and the only one that would be accepted is if they made a d3. Honestly like make it so the vex win or some shit and we basically die and get lost/stuck somewhere in like a weird time vault and have the traveler explode and then that's how d2 ends. But then the final end cutscene is like our ghost in our hands almost crushed to death by rubble with a little flicker of light. Start of D3 is like the world/place we get stuck in transforming and morphing like vex stuff does and it moves the rubble off our body freeing the ghost to rez us in a post apocalypse vex world where we find some weird time gate that we tried to break in the end of d2 to jump into it and it sends us into a different past reality and make up a new fresh different universe where like the witness wasn't even a thing and it was a evil wish dragon or a big frog or something, idk I'm not a narrative designer.
Man..my fiance and I have a friend group that we used to read with and we just started playing again and it's sad to see how much potential this game has, yet it's just being completely gutted by poor management..the fact that someone like Pete can still claim a bonus with the current state of the game is just insane
They should doing pure single player only Halo style Destiny Pre-quel, and after that Destiny 3.
Merry Christmas boys
As if anyone here understands anything in politics and how things work. If you did, you would be in Pete’s position. But you’re not, hence why you’re crying on social media thinking you know something. 😂 I’m going back to The Division 2. What a debacle Destiny 2 has become in two years.
When we getting Aztecross on Marvel Rivals?
CEOs failing upwards as usual
I know nobody cares but a decent chunk of the previous "layoffs" were also given different positions at Sony
Merry Christmas cross
I wish Marathon had a single player campaign