So you've concluded that he is between 22-24. Even though he has twice as much chance of being a gen x over a millennial; you chose millennial. Wouldn't have made as much with youtube advertising if you were pandering to gen x'rs I guess.
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My all-time favorite quote from The Office is Dwight's "Not everything is a lesson, Ryan. Sometimes you just fail". This is both a jab at movie and tv cliches and an actual good motto for going through life.
Second favorite: to the child who literally finds the needle in the haystack at Hay Place - "Your prize is... nothing. Life lesson: some tasks aren't worth doing."
@@lennondorris984 yeah you're super special bud the list of discoveries we need to work on go black holes>your COMPLEX SUPER UNIQUE mentality>anything else
I hate our stereotypes because it’s always centered around phones and “ha ha ha look at those kids always on their phones”. I want to see a show or film actually analyze us beyond phones or at least explore why we use social media and video games and stuff all the time. I know I do because I am depressed with my life and what’s going on in the world that I want to try to distract myself, and also communicate with my friends who I really can’t see right now.
Ryan’s character is so insane and ridiculous that when I watched the beginning again, I did a double take because I literally forgot he used to be normal. His character is so drastically different at the beginning and end it’s insane to go back and forth. It’s weird to think that Ryan started out as an actually normal person.
Ryan's arc really bummed me out at the end. Not because I particularly liked his character. But because it hit uncomfortably close to home. Failure to launch is every millennial guys nightmare
T Mac Actually, it’s more out starting out economic status. Rich parents = higher overall success rate and higher social status leading to more overall opportunity. If your poor or middle class the only way to achieve in America is work your fucking ass off and be lucky enough to be given some form of opportunity (job, investment, property, etc). Through this with the addition of time and constant progress, inherited wealth will eventually kick in. Unless you blow it all off like every lottery winner and be smart with money. Plus their is some poetic justice because most rich kids who use hundreds of years of amassed wealth burn through it in just one lifetime and make the cycle repeat itself. Also that added racism comment makes no sense our last president was literally African-American with the middle name of Muhammad. Now, I’m not saying their aren’t racist people in America and yes if given the chance they wouldn’t like any race but their own succeed. But saying “I can’t achieve because of racism” is just the easy way out of not getting up and trying to succeed for the next generation that will eventually take our place. It’s basically like saying “since I can succeed what’s the point of trying”. Just don’t give up!
@T Mac not that you can't, but that there is a history of systemic barriers and assumptions about people's roles & abilities. And a few people in decision making roles who still think in old ways. But everything is possible!
never making a sale? that's fine. understandable, even. but starting a fire trying to make a cheesy pizza? unforgivable. death would be less humiliating.
From the beginning of time, the older generation has used the younger generation as a scapegoat for societies problems. The irony is it's the folks who gave out the free trophies who the blame the kids for getting free trophies.
@@cyberneticsquid-godofmassd3759 As a millennial ('91) teacher, I can write a whole encyclopedia about my gen z high school students. It's like entering a different world from when I was in high school. I still love them though.
Or how Gen X'rs were/are blamed for being cynical, guess who's fault is that... The smart move would be learning from other generations (both older and younger), instead of spewing crap at them. Each generation has its own problems, most of which aren't really all that unique when you delve a little deeper into them. We share the same society, so it's best to quit living in bubbles.
Isn’t it strange how boomers absolve themselves of all responsibility when it comes to millennials? Y’all raised us. We’re the fruits of *your* labor. We didn’t invent participation trophies, smartphones or social media. That was y’all. We were just kicking back watching cartoons while y’all made these decisions.
Regularity i think the argument is that boomers werent prepared for the challenges of the social media movement. Honestly parenting from the 90s onwards has been so blind and ignorant its no shocker that millenials arent prepared for the workplace, nor the parents ready to instil the necessary values
and most problems there is in the world are because of them. Yet if we try to change the world to be a better place, they call us idiots, and cry babies, but if we do nothing we are lazy and accommodated
While I agree that it's a generalization to associate a generation with a set quality of fixed characteristics, it definitely gives more insight into their background as to how that generation came to be the generation that they are. Though no matter the circumstances of someone's development, it doesn't mean they're unable to improve or to make a difference in their life.
@@BishopWalters12lol literally a Reagan Baby where adolescence began at-or-near the year 2000. Generation-deniers are goofy. Like someone born in the 1950’s whose parents were involved in the WW2 war effort before settling down and having a boatload of kids will be like “wHaT eVeN iS a BoOmEr tHo?!” I use “like” because I am a Millenial. When we were young we all got caught up in doing valley girl impressions, and we have had symptoms of it like ever since.
I think it matters most who your parents were and how they raised you Say you were born in 2006 but your parents were boomers They it can be said that you’re a millennial
Yup. Jim: "See you're always saying there's something wrong with society, but maybe there's something wrong with you." Michael: "If it's me, then society made me that way."
They're rare. And the true mentors don't look at themselves as mentors until much later. They just see a new colleague who needs help, and they just help them.
@@Ultradude604 half of my life i had one certainty, i would never be a teacher, turns out helping people succeeding makes me happier that i succeeding, and looking back i taught a lot of people, i thought i wanted to make games but now i mostly procrastinate until someone asks for help on discord
This kind of "Millennials are lazy and egocentric" mentality really screwed me over when I first started my job. I work with people 50+ and everything I did, most people assumed had some sort of agenda. I'm just a hard worker. I like helping people out. I like asking questions/learning new skills. But boy oh boy did that piss some people off. I was accused of "trying to making people look bad" and "trying to take over [their] job". One coworker even flat out LIED to get me in trouble. My first review was absolutely horrible. But after a while, people learned that's just how I work and eventually, everyone got used to me and now my coworkers are super awesome. Although, I tend to take the newbies under my wing for the first four months to make sure the same doesn't happen to them. I can't be the only one who got screwed over by that mentality, though. It's horrible going into a workplace and they decide you're the villain.
That really nice of you. But unlike you my co workers aren't able to understand my work ethic. According to them everything i do or try to learn is to "steal" work from them. But I'm working hard to get experience so i can grow fast.
In my 30s now but my first job had someone exactly like that. He viewed everything I did as suspicious. One time he took me into a side office and screamed in my face for a good twenty minutes. I'm now a senior manager elsewhere but I still get nervous sometimes meeting my line manager one on one. IT literacy was very low at that job so most basic computer stuff ended up being done by me. On one occasion the URL of the client database changed so I looped round everyone's computer to change the desktop shortcut for them, he refused to let me do it for him as I was apparently up to something and tried reporting me to IT.
@@Zeverinsen the same can be said of literally anyone of any generation that didnt experiance adversity or hardship in early life. Social media has a lot to answer for but using it to pigeonhole an entire generation as poor workers or stunted adults just distracts from the actual problem the caused some (not all) to live up to those stereotypes: the previous generation's failure to teach and prepare their kids for the real world. For example, participation trophies were mentioned in this video. Who made that a thing? Not millennials. And yet we get teased about them when we had nothing to do with their conception in the first place.
Eh it's gone out of fashion nowadays. It was just a trend that older people rode on to find a quick and lazy explanation to the failing economy and such.
All generations are trash to some degree. I hate when boomers try to blame millennials for everything but now we’re doing the same thing to them. It’s getting old on both sides.
@The Bloody Doctor blaming the boomers for creating the problems and boomers blaming gen z for existing during these problems are completely different things. they love to say that we're always on our phone or that we don't communicate just because we do things differently now. they don't understand stuff so they point fingers and since we're the most defenseless group, we often get the blame.
millenials are avoiding commitment because it is hard to start a family. Student loan and high rent combined with unstable, low income jobs. Not because of the online dating apps.
Millenials are flakes because they have to. Without a steady income is very dificult to plan on anything. Its also shit when you are working your ass off and still wont be able to progress on anything. You wont have a place of your own, a car, a vacation, anything. I dont even think millenials are lazy. We just work even more than older generations, but receive less compensation for it, so it looks like we are not making the effort. Sometimes it fucking crushes me.
We’re not necessarily looking for vacations or high wages either. Just time for our passions and have our basic necessities met. Most jobs can’t secure either nowadays.
I think the reason is not only in the economy, but also in the fact that for millennials it's important to be with the person who understands you and with whom you feel good. I noticed that for older generations it was not so important, like luxury, but not a necessity. Marriage was considered successful if after 10 years the couple did have a house, a car, a couple of kids and maybe didn't fucked each other's brains so much. This is no longer enough for us and we agree to stay in a relationship only with our beloved ones or with no one at all. They scare us, if you look for love for a long time, you’ll be left alone, but for us it’s much worse to be with the wrong person. I think this is a huge difference, loneliness is no longer so terrible when, as in their time, it was almost the most terrible thing in life.
@S T I'll pile on too. Because yes, Millennials are in fact, working harder. We are working more hours, at less pay, with less benefits. When you were my age all those years back in the 60's and 70's, you had it waaaaay easier financially. It was easier to save up money, get a job, get a FAR CHEAPER bachelor degree, and move in the corporate world. Before you complain about it being 'our fault' that were stuck with student debt, let's remember who the grown-ass adults who co-signed the decision were? Who encouraged their teenage kids to ruin themselves financially? The Boomers did! We were teenagers, and you were our parents, and you could have said 'no' and pulled us out whenever you wanted. Matter of fact, a lot of you Boomers commanded us to go to college. Told us that "no child of mine is going into the world without a college education!" Finances be damned! Finances that teenagers couldn't possibly understand, having never seriously been in the workforce. Finances that their Boomer parents knew, but decided to ignore. And you blamed us for it. Said it was somehow our fault that were in economic ruin, when in fact, you set us up. Played a sick joke on us. That's what our problem is with you. It's why we've always hated you, and loved Gen X. You've always been full of shit, and two different generations can tell! If Gen-X feels forgotten, don't worry. The Millennials will never forget you. You warned us, and told us the truth, and we'll always love you for that. After all, we can't get enough of your music, as much as you might hate that. Look it up if you don't believe me. You have no idea what this supposedly 'lazy' generation is dealing with. We are very frightened and jaded by this awful economy were writhing in, and we have good reason to be!
As a millennial, all I want is to work hard at a job I'm good at, that pays me a livable wage and for my friends and family to have the same and be well taken care of. If someone's going to judge me purely on the time frame that I happened to be born in, then buddy, we've got issues. Am I lazy? Sometimes, yeah, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of the work.
"Am I lazy? Sometimes, yeah, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of the work". Thats like saying, "Do I have high cholesterol and heart problems? Yeah, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of my health.
@@michaelhernandez8772 I can be lazy in terms of procrastination or being easily distracted sometimes, but I always get the work done, is what I'm meaning.
I know right? Millennials entered the workforce during the worst job market in modern history...the unemployment rate was almost 10% from 2008-2011, and there were massive hiring freezes to avoid layoffs (hitting young workers the hardest)...Soooo lazy!
Boomers: wrecks economy. I mean bad. Literally the first generation to leave it worse than they found it. Millennials: there’s no jobs and college has never been more expensive. Boomers: YaLl ArE sO eNtItLeD aNd LaZy
@Madhav Ignihir You cannot say millennial for either of those. There are a select few, but Gucci is as costly exactly because few buys make it worth it regardless.
Boomers: create lockdown and follow drs orders . Millennials :set up chaz and other groups to take down government with force. Boomers :mostly don't charge idiots Millennial :continues because no consequences ..........2021............. Starts .........
Honestly, I blame Michael. He drove Ryan and Jan into madness. They were both fully functioning intelligent ambitious people, who had the misfortune of interacting with Michael and then they both started sprialling down. Collapse into itself like a dying star...
Hipster joke indeed Michael - Ryan never made a sale and started a fire trying to make a cheesy pita pretty much sums it up Love these The Office breakdowns ❤️
The time Dwight convinces Ryan to buy Stanley's old photo album because James Franco (aka "The hipster prince") has something similar sums him up nicely!
You missed the point entirely. Ryan tried hard, he tries to help and he gets told no, he is wrong, or is not listened too. He is told to run out the clock. So that’s what he does. He gets apathetic because his bosses and coworkers don’t care so why should he.
When he started, he basically did nothing and never made a sale. Then he got promoted for no reason and instead of doing his job, he just partied all the time and made up results that almost cost company bankruptcy. At what point did he try hard?
@@georgesmith6218 His promotion was not "For no reason." There was a reason for his promotion. He completed his MBA. David Wallace was excited to have an MBA graduate in the corporate offices.
He is also egotistical from early on. Dwight takes him on an adventure to teach him sales by overcoming fear. Dwight knows sales is about fear and not about knowing what to say. But, Ryan thinks Dwight is a weirdo and should not be listened to even though he has the best sales. Ego doomed Ryan. A millennial problem because in current society we are taught in a way where current knowledge is superior to all previous knowledge. Even modern culture is better than our parent’s culture. This gives the youth their ego.
Everything falls apart with a little quick trip to the Office's wiki Ryan was 26 in 2005, which means he was born in 1979, so he's not a millennial, he's gen X
You're looking at the actor's d.o.b., right? The character he plays, Ryan, could be a few years younger. I guess he's either an old millennial or the youngest of Gen-X.
@@babblingalong7689 both Ryan and Novak were born in 79, but don't share the same date, in fact Ryan is older. The characters don't actually sync up with the actors' ages, Ryan is actually the closest one. The second closest is Jim, bc both him and Krasinsky are from october, but one year apart.
I was about to say the same thing. He's around my age and I'm a Gen Xer. These days you're either a "Boomer" or a "Millenial". It's like society is trying to erase us...
I never thought I would say this but i kinda feel bad for ryan after watching this video. All he wanted was a good mentor. Ryan should’ve gone to jim for guidance.
Well, maybe Jim isn't really a good mentor either, because he isn't really working towards anything and is a little apathetic too (Though I am sure it wouldve been better than nothing!)
Lol You’d think that but Jim doesn’t share the same aspirations that Ryan wants to have. Ryan if you look closely actually feels a bit threatened by Jim because he’s the guy who's been able to see through everyone’s bull shit. Ryan wouldn’t dare let a guy like Jim be the reason he gets exposed so throughout most of the show he keeps his distance from Jim. Either way Ryan did at one point try to help Dwight sabotage Jim when Jim had the co-manager position. Ryan even tried to hit on Pam but this was when her relationship with Roy ended and Jim transferred to Standford. Watch more of the show and you’ll see Ryan is quite selfish deep down and good mentors don’t just come along for a guy like him.
Jim was apathetic and did not really care enough to take ryan under his wing. Jim and ryan in the first season had the same motives....they did not want to be in this job in the long run.
Except he does get a fantastic opportunity when he's promoted to VP (David Wallace seems like the best mentor you could ask for) and fucks it up by committing fraud.
I find it funny how a lot of old people call millennials the “entitled generation” and granted they do have a point, but you also might see those same old people flipping shit when a young person doesn’t “rEsPeCt tHeiR eLdErS”
Why'd you capitalize every 2nd letter? You millenials all make the same internet jokes. Next, write out a two-liner where the first guy says something, then the 2nd guy says, "hold my beer".
@@davidmetzler6670 "You millennials all make the same internet jokes." That's how Trends work. Hell, you could say that about any generation. "You BOOMERS all make the same. I hate my wife jokes." "You Gen-Z all make the same I hate my life jokes." "You Gen-Alpha all make the same Skibidi Toilet jokes." Do you think this is the first time someone of an older generation has complained about Jokes from another? We got Gen-Z making fun of Gen-Aplha even though at their age we essentially watched the same thing. If you don’t find it funny, chances are, you’re not the age demographic that enjoys it. Also, them capitalizing every 2nd letter is them using a "mocking" tone. Kinda hard to indicate tone over text.
I always thought of Ryan as a subversive of the successful psychopath. The data shows more CEOs are psychopaths than you would find in the general population. And RV tends to glorify being a psychopath in the workplace. But The Office is a world where interpersonal relationships are the lifeblood of work. So while we might expect Ryan to climb up the corporate latter knocking people down along the way (and we get a small taste of that) we see him slip and fall on his own hubris.
Not really, Ryan failed in the corporate world precisely because he's psychopathic. It doesn't get you very far. You're also thinking of sociopathy, which is also not common among any group of people.
I feel like people are confusing entitlement with wanting something. I think it’s normal for someone to want a nice job, house, car, etc. just because you want something doesn’t mean your entitled. I remember someone complaining about how their granddaughter wanted a nice car. Just because someone mentions they want something doesn’t mean they are not going to work for it.
No that man was ENTITLED don't lie It's normal to want things but he acted like he ran the place when he was only one of the employees and this is coming from a genzie btw
@@roz0971 if you believe that they got it with hard work, you are misinformed... Most of what the boomers 'have' was because the after war economic boom. They got everything. Good and safe jobs, save earnings, constant raises, low rent, etc. After them come the X, the sacrificed, because they couldn't have those jobs anymore and whanever they work hard or not, they couldn't get anything, no job safety, insecurity left and right, nothing. So the millenials are very lucky because they are inheriting the boomers jobs in a few years that the X wanted too. An intelligent Millenial today would learn a little bit about business management, human resssources management, some computer science and at least a 'real trade'. They will surpass the X and even the Z when their time comes...
true no one is owed anything but at least for me in Canada i'm gen z i think 19 2002, but i will most likely never be able to own a house and even if i did buy it wouldn't be worth it as chances are it will be less in the future and be worth either a quarter or half a million for just a small home
Ryan's relationship with Kelly used to make me uncomfortable because I saw parallels with them and my last relationship. Now I think it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen
I bet that Ryan reverted your a teenager after getting fired from Dunder Mifflin because he was to busy working and studying hard while he was a teen and young adult to actually enjoy himself.
My theory is that Ryan went into depression after getting fired from the VP position. He then just sort of went with the flow. He often used Kelly as a punching bag because walking all over her gave him a tiny shred of self esteem. Which is why in the end he was desperate to stop her from moving on.
@Matxalen C Well . . . don't let your fear hold you back or control you, but . . . yeah, that's an important part of yourself to listen to, too. I think the best advice I can give is to always remember what matters most to you, and also why it matters. (At least, that's what helps me to push through struggles without losing myself in all the pressure.) All the best! :)
honestly, its one of those things you hear about more than actually see. I've seen it on tv than more in real life. And the only person I know who did get participation trophies as a kid said them and their teammates felt crappy and knew they still lost anyway, so I meam
This was so very well done. I can't even imagine how long this project took when you consider all the well-thought out analysis and the editing production. Thanks for the excellent content.
To be fair, I don't think I did either. I grew up getting bullied, emotionally invalidated and treated like a second class citizen by quite literally everyone I've ever known. My own mother didn't treat me with any dignity or respect until I started hitting the gym or reading. One day I watched Benny Hill 9/11 and laughed my ass off without knowing why. Then I realized one day that I craved revenge on people and liked the idea of them suffering.
@@xtonibx5770 Thanks friend, I got help through books and years of therapy. Turns out the reason my mother emotionally invalidating me caused me so many mental breakdowns had to do with the child within concept.
I think you’re describing a narcissist personality, not an average millennial. Most millennials aren’t like this; they are struggling living in a downhill economic system.
They're more arguing that he's a parody of how the media describes millennials, not a genuine example of a real life millennial. As a millennial with a bachelor's who can only get work as a delivery driver atm, I feel you.
Actually this is how a lot of millennials are. A lot of them got useless degrees in liberal arts and act shocked when they don't find great paying jobs. Like Ben Shapiro says, "you can't get a degree in lesbian dance theory and expect to make a six figure salary".
@@lucianacaserta9563 then move to where the work is. It's always been like that with past generations. I guarantee people from previous generations didn't get a degree in anything they wanted and automatically had a good paying job in what they majored in just waiting for them. That's life, not everything will be in your backyard for your convenience. Sometimes you have to relocate. It's called migration.
@@electr4367 Lol. No, I said I'm Ryan *minus* all the partying, drugs, and downward spiral. I've had some lows, but I haven't screwed up nearly as much as he had.
The true villain is actually Michael Scott, because of him he turned a young inspired hero into a villian. It’s like the joker and Harvey dent in the dark knight. Michaels entire angle is comedy...like the joker.
I believe that while micheal is a great character he is a HORRIBLE person think about it. He screwed over a class for a college education. He aided in the destruction of Jan He was a jealous prickly when Holly came back still dating AJ The entirety of season 1 He let Ryan back into the company after he had committed fraud He replaced himself with Deanglo who couldn't even make a sale (I think) I haven't watched the office since summer sp don't go insane if I got some things wrong
@@themerrymaker7144 I had a boss similar to Michael. I can confirm that Michael is fun to watch but working with a person like him was nightmare. He was inappropriate and it was so hard to get the work done. Especially if you are working on a project hence reporting to more than one people someone like Michael can delay things in a catastrophic way and you end up cleaning the mess between departments. Also imagine being Pam, he was soo inappropriate to her. Also to Jan, Phyllis, Meredith...Ryan!
Hi James. I'm a millennial who was able to overpower this generation problem of ours. I did it, and you can get it done too. I wish you all the luck, man! And a lot of love, we need this! ❤️
As one of the last drops in the millennial ocean, I have to admit that the perils of school, work, politics and the economy is crushing my soul faster than I'd like to admit. Everything feels so useless, stupid and like it's never going to go anywhere. I wanted and still want to make a difference, but everywhere I look, the obstacles just seem too high. I want to help people, make society progress, find a fulfilling purpose, but the damn system keeps kicking me in the shin! I'm going to keep trying regardless, but honestly, I don't know if I'll be able to withstand the crushing nihilism of it all in the long run. We'll see.
I can relate. I also wanted to do great things for humanity and make a difference in my teens. But now I've realised even doing something small like teaching one underprivileged student for free or buying lunch for the one homeless guy, you're already creating a big difference in these people's lives. You may not be able to make huge policy changes, but you can vote for those who have similar mindset like yours.
I feel you. My advice is to act local. Acts of service. Find a way to make a small difference in your local community. Sounds wanky, I know. But I find acts of service really grounding, and keeps life in perspective.
When I first found this channel I thought this was just another WatchMojo. But it really seems like this channel cares about the videos they make. Keep it up!
I kind of hated the reference to Simon Sinek's "millennial suck" conference because it's something that thinks it speaks profound truth, when really it's saying nothing, ignores the real sociological factors that have shaped millennials and basically amounts to the equivalent of "I blame video games for why this generation sucks."
I am not a fan of that Simon Sinek interview either. He comes across as an insufferable know it all, and certainly not someone I would look up to or take advice from.
more like defending millennial for 20 minutes, this video clearly made him the victim of a system that is set to fail while at the same time makes people afraid of failing one of my favorite quotes from the office is "If you ask me, that's the American dream, right there. Anything can happen to anyone. It's just random" it is just that the people running the companies pretend it is not, and the next generations have huge expectations
this reminds me of one time my (boomer) english teacher assigned our (gen z) class an argumentative essay on whether or not participation trophies should be given but had to scrap it when we all said no
Big fan of the take but aren't these stereotypes kinda problematic? It is fun pop-sociology but millennials and gen z stereotypes are clearly not always accurate and you can do damage by sharing them uncritically. Young people have always had to work hard (including this gen), difference is now is they get a lot less for that work (apart from big student loans, expensive housing costs, etc). They have probably been graded and tested more than any other gen. I think their disillusionment has a deeper explanation. In truth, people like Ryan, would figure out how out how to work there...because you don't have a much a choice, ultimately. Or he would move on to something he wants to do. Like many before him have and many people will do after him.
I typically love The Take, but the anti-youth and misandry stereotypes start to leak through eventually if you douse yourself in too much pop culture. That is to say, I'm not going to be apologetic for Ryan, he is clearly an asshole. But if people take this hyperbolic cartoon of a character as a realistic depiction of a millennial, it justifies all the problematic treatment of millennials.
Stereotypical characters don't make for interesting characters! And I feel like Ryan's archetype in the later seasons is just kind of lazy, low-hanging fruit that goes against the spirit of The Office. The Office was at its strongest when it was about people and their relationships with each other. Jokes like Jim and Pam going to Jan and Michael's extremely awkward dinner party or Kevin being left out of Oscar and Angela's accounting conversations. Those jokes needed to be carefully crafted and thought about. They require a greater context and cleverness than just relying on current, perpetuating stereotypes about a generation.
Bad bringings can lead to villainous actions, but there's a certain point when those actions are solely the responsibility of the doer. He may have had a coddled childhood, but when you go to college and enter the workforce, you tend to meet other people that have different upbringing, especially when you start from the ground floor. There's a point when that person needs to open his/her eyes and understand that the world has not gone through your childhood. At a certain point, all of those actions are pure villainy by Ryan with no excuse.
I love how they included Elon Musk in that montage about new-money assholes...the ultimate criminal douche-bro. Except in the case of Musk, he also has the added factor of having money from Apartheid origins.
I’m the very last year of a millennial, but I’ve always felt like Ryan’s personality, constant drives to do big things to quickly give up and procrastinate, self destructive behavior after cycles of huge strides towards stability and financial successes, he’s relatable, which is why I like his character.
Funny how the “me generation” is a term actually coined and popularized by writers Tom Wolfe and Christopher Lasch in the 70s to describe narcissistic, young baby boomers... and Ryan is not the only millennial in that office.
yeah generational discourse makes me cringe because it seems people don't realize the so called conflits that arise between two generations are essentially the same, over and over gain.
I mean I think Jim and Pam were at the tail end of generation X but they're pretty much on the same plane of laziness, though they're more "I don't care where I'm at I just wanna have fun while I'm at it" type of people.
The hippy movement and sense of entitlement was led by young baby boomers. The millennial learned from the best, and boomers won't take responsibility BECAUSE of this entitlement. Gen X has sadly become apathetic and slipped through the cracks, but gen Z may have some hope.
As progressive as the hippy movement could be at times, it saddens me to say that the majority of the time it was just a way of justifying the excesses the boomers took advantage of.
Gen z is a joke just like millennials which I'm unfortunatelya part of do to being born early 90s. The difference is I don't associate myself with them and get constantly annoyed and frustrated with them. Bunch of whiny crybabies "oh hur dur you didn't use my proper pronoun I have ptsd now because you don't believe in the millions of fake genders we invent everyday cause we're whiny little retards" yeah no. Gen z is not the future and if they take over, due to the delusional influence of millennials then this world is done for.
This is wicked insightful. I always had an issue with Ryan's character, because I generally saw him as a lazily-written caricature of the Millennial worker, and I hated it because caricatures of generations only further the divide between them. It makes waaaayy more sense the way it's described here. I'd been analyzing Ryan in a vacuum, but you have to consider the environment he's responding to before considering the way he acts. I think my only issue is that this meaning has definitely gone over a lot of peoples' heads, thus going back to what I said above-- furthering the divide between generations, and the divide between subcultures of those generations. All it would take is one witty line in season 8 or 9 about how he'd been reacting to the world around him, and maybe he wouldn't have gotten this overall reputation as a silly throwaway character. Again, really well written video, oh my god! The B roll choices are also really stellar in this. How do y'all content creators sort through 9 seasons of tv show and find these perfect little blips to use for each line??
It's actually quite interesting. In my family the wave of cousins born in the early 90s are just now moving out and finding a job, making a life. The next wave of us born in 2000-2002 are all college age and are leaving. I really have a hard to time figuring out what happened in such a short time. As for living at home, my parents are only letting me live home if I find a job that matches my career or go somewhere to do research or something. So I guess that stereotype has changed too
I love corporate Ryan. He finally shuts Michael up. Michael treated him like a pet and objectified him for years. He also knows how antiquated the company is and how unproductive the staff is. They spend their day goofing off and now he’s in charge. I’d be an asshole too.
Yeah, I watched the show to the end, and man did they Stretch Armstrong everyone even before Michael exited. By the end of the series, all subtleties and nuances went out the window, and some of the characters just became bizarre, blown-up versions of their early selves.
This would have been a really good video as a character study without the forced generational stereotypes and blaming everything on social media. Funny how working class people of the same age don't suffer from these issues.
"Have no intention to connect with others" if that aint me in my work place now. But it's not bcs i feel like i'm better than the rest of them, but bcs i'm the only unmarried women in my job. It translate to a perfect target for harassment. I just don't feel comfortable around them and i can get myself far away from those people, i wouldn't think twice
This hits so close to home.... minus the meteoric rise to success and subsequent infamy. But the point about "... the instagram appearance of happiness is all that matters" is spot on. I can't tell you how many people I know present themselves as being happy and doing really well, but we're all in financial duress and critically unprepared for the future (i.e. health insurance, needing a new car, starting a family, etc.) In reality, we're stressed the hell out. We end up feeling less accomplished, depressed, and alone. We undervalue ourselves in the job market because all we see online is success, we never see the failure. If anybody feels the same (and I know that there are people who do), know that you're not alone. Stay strong, carry on, and I'll do the same.
I love this channel because it’s as fun as miss Mojo but you guys do a better job at analyzing the deeper meaning and unpacking symbols that make the character reflect us today. Also you back up your trope analysis with clips from other shows and like psychological material... it’s really incredible and it really backs up what you say. Even the video feels like a narrative & I can’t imagine how many hours of editing and research it takes to make one video. Yet it’s so effortless I hadn’t even thought of it until yesterday with this video
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So you've concluded that he is between 22-24. Even though he has twice as much chance of being a gen x over a millennial; you chose millennial. Wouldn't have made as much with youtube advertising if you were pandering to gen x'rs I guess.
1. He shows several marks of being a sociopath so this isn’t really his fault. 2. He could of been successful if he didn’t meet Michael
Hi. I absolutely love your channel. Can you please do a video on KIM Wexler from BCS? You’re video essays on the BB world are brilliant. I look forward to more of them. I know this isn’t the right place to post this but I figured you would keep track of the comments on your most recent video. Thanks!
Grandeur is not "grandjore," idiot. Learn how to pronounce words.
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My all-time favorite quote from The Office is Dwight's "Not everything is a lesson, Ryan. Sometimes you just fail". This is both a jab at movie and tv cliches and an actual good motto for going through life.
actually, this is a lesson, so take that, Dwight
Second favorite: to the child who literally finds the needle in the haystack at Hay Place - "Your prize is... nothing. Life lesson: some tasks aren't worth doing."
Yeah sometimes you do just fail, but that doesn’t mean you can’t try again.
Chingiz Zhylkybayev Every failure carries a lesson of some kind, it’s not a cliche.
Fail brings life experience
“I like when people say ‘like crack’ who’ve obviously never done crack”
_Creed nods in agreement_
it's those little moments that make this show one of the best ever.
Pam's sarcastic delivery of "oh yeah I'm a middle class fraud" is what makes the scene for me.
Ryan puts drugs in Michael's pudding. He is a pure sociopath.
I’ve done a lot of drugs myself and I have to say Ryan’s right. That is annoying.
Creed is lowkey one of the best characters ever aired on TV.
"I'm such a perfectionist that I'd kinda rather not do it at all, than do a crappy version"
OCPD in a nutshell
hearing that made me insanely uncomfortable because it's like seeing yourself in the mirror. ugh.
The Virgo jumped out
Words to live by 🙌
I literally clicked this video because I knew from the title it was going to describe me, yet here I am feeling attacked at the accuracy.
As an older gen Z kid I can't wait to have my generation being mocked by sitcoms tropes honestly
Same, what do you want to bet it’ll center around phones?
Then it’ll be the millennials who do the mocking.
I doubt the people doing the mocking will know enough about us to make fun of us
@@lennondorris984 yeah you're super special bud the list of discoveries we need to work on go black holes>your COMPLEX SUPER UNIQUE mentality>anything else
I hate our stereotypes because it’s always centered around phones and “ha ha ha look at those kids always on their phones”. I want to see a show or film actually analyze us beyond phones or at least explore why we use social media and video games and stuff all the time. I know I do because I am depressed with my life and what’s going on in the world that I want to try to distract myself, and also communicate with my friends who I really can’t see right now.
Ryan’s character is so insane and ridiculous that when I watched the beginning again, I did a double take because I literally forgot he used to be normal. His character is so drastically different at the beginning and end it’s insane to go back and forth. It’s weird to think that Ryan started out as an actually normal person.
I agree. Like I always wonder to myself what the heck is wrong with him.
Drugs. Drugs kids.
The kids are not alright.....?
It all started when he starting hooking up with kelly
because the HEAD WRITER wanted his character to be like that and it somehow worked
Ryan's arc really bummed me out at the end. Not because I particularly liked his character. But because it hit uncomfortably close to home. Failure to launch is every millennial guys nightmare
It's not a nightmare, its reality. You will fail to launch, the question is will you get back up and try again?
It's hard to launch in this economy tho.
T Mac
Actually, it’s more out starting out economic status. Rich parents = higher overall success rate and higher social status leading to more overall opportunity. If your poor or middle class the only way to achieve in America is work your fucking ass off and be lucky enough to be given some form of opportunity (job, investment, property, etc). Through this with the addition of time and constant progress, inherited wealth will eventually kick in. Unless you blow it all off like every lottery winner and be smart with money. Plus their is some poetic justice because most rich kids who use hundreds of years of amassed wealth burn through it in just one lifetime and make the cycle repeat itself.
Also that added racism comment makes no sense our last president was literally African-American with the middle name of Muhammad. Now, I’m not saying their aren’t racist people in America and yes if given the chance they wouldn’t like any race but their own succeed. But saying “I can’t achieve because of racism” is just the easy way out of not getting up and trying to succeed for the next generation that will eventually take our place. It’s basically like saying “since I can succeed what’s the point of trying”.
Just don’t give up!
@T Mac not that you can't, but that there is a history of systemic barriers and assumptions about people's roles & abilities. And a few people in decision making roles who still think in old ways. But everything is possible!
Every "millenial guys nightmare" ? More like every millenials nightmare (including women) or maybe just anyone's nightmare.
This vid is funny when you consider BJ novak, the actor who plays ryan, is like the head writer of the show
Why?
He is?
Drive a Sandwich Well It could be said that it adds another layer of complexity to the character
@@jourdanwolf True.
He wasn’t head writer but he wrote a lot, and he especially wrote a lot of the episodes where ryan has a bigger role
never making a sale? that's fine. understandable, even.
but starting a fire trying to make a cheesy pizza? unforgivable. death would be less humiliating.
Ryan started the fiiiiiiireee!!!
Cheesy Pita !!! Unforgivable
Everyone dies, how is that humiliating?
*cheesy pita
lol.millenials looooove cheese pizzas
Ryan: "I don't need a judge to tell me to keep my community clean."
Jim: "But he did right?"
Ryan: 😐✍📖
From the beginning of time, the older generation has used the younger generation as a scapegoat for societies problems.
The irony is it's the folks who gave out the free trophies who the blame the kids for getting free trophies.
YES
I cant wait to see what the Millennials will come up with for us gen Z ers
@@cyberneticsquid-godofmassd3759 And Gen Alpha.
@@cyberneticsquid-godofmassd3759 As a millennial ('91) teacher, I can write a whole encyclopedia about my gen z high school students. It's like entering a different world from when I was in high school. I still love them though.
Or how Gen X'rs were/are blamed for being cynical, guess who's fault is that...
The smart move would be learning from other generations (both older and younger), instead of spewing crap at them. Each generation has its own problems, most of which aren't really all that unique when you delve a little deeper into them. We share the same society, so it's best to quit living in bubbles.
Isn’t it strange how boomers absolve themselves of all responsibility when it comes to millennials? Y’all raised us. We’re the fruits of *your* labor. We didn’t invent participation trophies, smartphones or social media. That was y’all. We were just kicking back watching cartoons while y’all made these decisions.
Yeah, but now that you are adults, how about you grow up and be responsible for yourselves.
Regularity i think the argument is that boomers werent prepared for the challenges of the social media movement. Honestly parenting from the 90s onwards has been so blind and ignorant its no shocker that millenials arent prepared for the workplace, nor the parents ready to instil the necessary values
The participation trophies hit hard
and most problems there is in the world are because of them. Yet if we try to change the world to be a better place, they call us idiots, and cry babies, but if we do nothing we are lazy and accommodated
@ImInfinite MidWest ok tide pod eater. lol
Never trust someone who uses generation terms to describe people in actual everyday life
what made you give this statement ?
Thank you for saying this
While I agree that it's a generalization to associate a generation with a set quality of fixed characteristics, it definitely gives more insight into their background as to how that generation came to be the generation that they are.
Though no matter the circumstances of someone's development, it doesn't mean they're unable to improve or to make a difference in their life.
You must be a Ryan... disruptive for no reason... IE a troll
@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ ⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ not dicussing the subjects, but using generational term to describe people in everyday life
Perks of being between two generations (millennial and gen Z): I can classify myself as whichever is being blamed for less shit at a given time.
I was born in 1985 so I go back and forth between identifying as a Gen Xer or a Millennial.
Gen x is just the nostalgic generation there’s not much to hate on aside from a few bad actors, way less than other generations tho
@@jeremyud 85 makes you a full blown millennial.
@@BishopWalters12lol literally a Reagan Baby where adolescence began at-or-near the year 2000. Generation-deniers are goofy. Like someone born in the 1950’s whose parents were involved in the WW2 war effort before settling down and having a boatload of kids will be like “wHaT eVeN iS a BoOmEr tHo?!”
I use “like” because I am a Millenial. When we were young we all got caught up in doing valley girl impressions, and we have had symptoms of it like ever since.
I think it matters most who your parents were and how they raised you
Say you were born in 2006 but your parents were boomers
They it can be said that you’re a millennial
Every workplace I've ever had there's never been any mentors, everyone is out for themselves and if you need to learn you're ridiculed.
This.
Yup.
Jim: "See you're always saying there's something wrong with society, but maybe there's something wrong with you."
Michael: "If it's me, then society made me that way."
They're rare. And the true mentors don't look at themselves as mentors until much later. They just see a new colleague who needs help, and they just help them.
@@Ultradude604 half of my life i had one certainty, i would never be a teacher, turns out helping people succeeding makes me happier that i succeeding, and looking back i taught a lot of people, i thought i wanted to make games but now i mostly procrastinate until someone asks for help on discord
We all want an office relationship like Harvey and Mike from suits.
This kind of "Millennials are lazy and egocentric" mentality really screwed me over when I first started my job. I work with people 50+ and everything I did, most people assumed had some sort of agenda. I'm just a hard worker. I like helping people out. I like asking questions/learning new skills. But boy oh boy did that piss some people off. I was accused of "trying to making people look bad" and "trying to take over [their] job". One coworker even flat out LIED to get me in trouble. My first review was absolutely horrible. But after a while, people learned that's just how I work and eventually, everyone got used to me and now my coworkers are super awesome. Although, I tend to take the newbies under my wing for the first four months to make sure the same doesn't happen to them. I can't be the only one who got screwed over by that mentality, though. It's horrible going into a workplace and they decide you're the villain.
That really nice of you. But unlike you my co workers aren't able to understand my work ethic. According to them everything i do or try to learn is to "steal" work from them. But I'm working hard to get experience so i can grow fast.
How old are you now?
@@user-if1de8pt2j you know what a quote is right?
It’s like you were a fly on the wall when I was at my first real corporate job.... 😯
In my 30s now but my first job had someone exactly like that. He viewed everything I did as suspicious. One time he took me into a side office and screamed in my face for a good twenty minutes. I'm now a senior manager elsewhere but I still get nervous sometimes meeting my line manager one on one.
IT literacy was very low at that job so most basic computer stuff ended up being done by me. On one occasion the URL of the client database changed so I looped round everyone's computer to change the desktop shortcut for them, he refused to let me do it for him as I was apparently up to something and tried reporting me to IT.
Um.. millennials weren't raised on social media. Social media came about when the majority of millennials were teens at least.
We were still growing up, and most of us won't be grown-ups until our late thirties at this point TBH.
Could consider things like myspace and old school forums social media to fit that description but it's a stretch.
Forms and boards were sort of the same idea.
I think theyre more about zoomers with it comes to social media and clout.
@@Zeverinsen the same can be said of literally anyone of any generation that didnt experiance adversity or hardship in early life. Social media has a lot to answer for but using it to pigeonhole an entire generation as poor workers or stunted adults just distracts from the actual problem the caused some (not all) to live up to those stereotypes: the previous generation's failure to teach and prepare their kids for the real world. For example, participation trophies were mentioned in this video. Who made that a thing? Not millennials. And yet we get teased about them when we had nothing to do with their conception in the first place.
James Bond said it best:
“Youth is no guarantee of innovation. Age is no guarantee of efficiency.”
the longer you’ve lived doesn’t mean wisdom
experience does not always mean efficiency
Sometimes I am afraid I will be a tragedy.
Stanley one example of a Boomer type who doesn't want to hear improvement ideas or anything.
Jessica Victoria Carrillo true but stanley doesn’t wanna hear anything if it isn’t food or his crossword lol
@@vic-lucy True, no wonder Dwight fires him (so I hear from my bro)
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 Stanley is who we all are on the inside, but can't be on the outside lmaooo
@@vic-lucy They should do that video
Jessica Victoria Carrillo Isn’t he Gen x?? Boomers are like 80
Ryan’s timeline sums up Paulo Freire’s “When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor"
Unexpected Freire, nice.
sums*
@@jenm1 thanks ;)
@@joanamiotto875 I thought your picture was taylor hill!
@@jenm1 Oh wow! haha She's stunning! Thanks ;)
For Michael Scott: the Office is a Comedy
For Pam and Jim: a romantic comedy
For Ryan: a tragic dark comedy
This constant blaming of millenials is getting old
Eh it's gone out of fashion nowadays. It was just a trend that older people rode on to find a quick and lazy explanation to the failing economy and such.
All generations are trash to some degree. I hate when boomers try to blame millennials for everything but now we’re doing the same thing to them. It’s getting old on both sides.
Stop being butt hurt
@The Bloody Doctor
blaming the boomers for creating the problems and boomers blaming gen z for existing during these problems are completely different things. they love to say that we're always on our phone or that we don't communicate just because we do things differently now. they don't understand stuff so they point fingers and since we're the most defenseless group, we often get the blame.
So is "HURR DURR BOOMER BAD MILLENNIAL GOOD"
millenials are avoiding commitment because it is hard to start a family. Student loan and high rent combined with unstable, low income jobs. Not because of the online dating apps.
Millenials are flakes because they have to. Without a steady income is very dificult to plan on anything. Its also shit when you are working your ass off and still wont be able to progress on anything. You wont have a place of your own, a car, a vacation, anything. I dont even think millenials are lazy. We just work even more than older generations, but receive less compensation for it, so it looks like we are not making the effort. Sometimes it fucking crushes me.
We’re not necessarily looking for vacations or high wages either. Just time for our passions and have our basic necessities met. Most jobs can’t secure either nowadays.
@S T It's the truth. You can laugh all you want, deep down you know it's true boomer.
I think the reason is not only in the economy, but also in the fact that for millennials it's important to be with the person who understands you and with whom you feel good. I noticed that for older generations it was not so important,
like luxury, but not a necessity. Marriage was considered successful if after 10 years the couple did have a house, a car, a couple of kids and maybe didn't fucked each other's brains so much. This is no longer enough for us and we agree to stay in a relationship only with our beloved ones or with no one at all.
They scare us, if you look for love for a long time, you’ll be left alone, but for us it’s much worse to be with the wrong person. I think this is a huge difference, loneliness is no longer so terrible when, as in their time, it was almost the most terrible thing in life.
@S T I'll pile on too. Because yes, Millennials are in fact, working harder. We are working more hours, at less pay, with less benefits.
When you were my age all those years back in the 60's and 70's, you had it waaaaay easier financially. It was easier to save up money, get a job, get a FAR CHEAPER bachelor degree, and move in the corporate world.
Before you complain about it being 'our fault' that were stuck with student debt, let's remember who the grown-ass adults who co-signed the decision were? Who encouraged their teenage kids to ruin themselves financially? The Boomers did! We were teenagers, and you were our parents, and you could have said 'no' and pulled us out whenever you wanted.
Matter of fact, a lot of you Boomers commanded us to go to college. Told us that "no child of mine is going into the world without a college education!" Finances be damned! Finances that teenagers couldn't possibly understand, having never seriously been in the workforce. Finances that their Boomer parents knew, but decided to ignore.
And you blamed us for it. Said it was somehow our fault that were in economic ruin, when in fact, you set us up. Played a sick joke on us. That's what our problem is with you. It's why we've always hated you, and loved Gen X. You've always been full of shit, and two different generations can tell!
If Gen-X feels forgotten, don't worry. The Millennials will never forget you. You warned us, and told us the truth, and we'll always love you for that. After all, we can't get enough of your music, as much as you might hate that.
Look it up if you don't believe me. You have no idea what this supposedly 'lazy' generation is dealing with. We are very frightened and jaded by this awful economy were writhing in, and we have good reason to be!
As a millennial, all I want is to work hard at a job I'm good at, that pays me a livable wage and for my friends and family to have the same and be well taken care of. If someone's going to judge me purely on the time frame that I happened to be born in, then buddy, we've got issues.
Am I lazy? Sometimes, yeah, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of the work.
"Am I lazy? Sometimes, yeah, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of the work".
Thats like saying, "Do I have high cholesterol and heart problems? Yeah, but I'm not going to let that get in the way of my health.
@@michaelhernandez8772 I can be lazy in terms of procrastination or being easily distracted sometimes, but I always get the work done, is what I'm meaning.
Total Ryan.... disruptive for no reason
I know right? Millennials entered the workforce during the worst job market in modern history...the unemployment rate was almost 10% from 2008-2011, and there were massive hiring freezes to avoid layoffs (hitting young workers the hardest)...Soooo lazy!
Erik Carlson pssst the laziest amongst us are billionaires
Boomers: wrecks economy. I mean bad. Literally the first generation to leave it worse than they found it.
Millennials: there’s no jobs and college has never been more expensive.
Boomers: YaLl ArE sO eNtItLeD aNd LaZy
@Madhav Ignihir You cannot say millennial for either of those. There are a select few, but Gucci is as costly exactly because few buys make it worth it regardless.
@@sanchezzz69420 Ok, Boomer.
Boomers: create lockdown and follow drs orders .
Millennials :set up chaz and other groups to take down government with force.
Boomers :mostly don't charge idiots
Millennial :continues because no consequences
..........2021.............
Starts .........
@@Diana-fg2vy you mean the antimaskers boomer who don't want thier "rights" taken away while millennial leave the house for blm stuff lol
@Madhav Ignihir except it is a small amount of people that actually buy gucci and avacado is like only a 1-2 state thing
Honestly, I blame Michael. He drove Ryan and Jan into madness. They were both fully functioning intelligent ambitious people, who had the misfortune of interacting with Michael and then they both started sprialling down. Collapse into itself like a dying star...
You really think Jan was ever fully functioning? She had plenty of warning signs from the beginning.
You can say Michael exposed the underlying crazy that already existed
Hipster joke indeed
Michael - Ryan never made a sale and started a fire trying to make a cheesy pita pretty much sums it up
Love these The Office breakdowns ❤️
a cheesy pita***
The time Dwight convinces Ryan to buy Stanley's old photo album because James Franco (aka "The hipster prince") has something similar sums him up nicely!
R Parker 👍🏻
You missed the point entirely. Ryan tried hard, he tries to help and he gets told no, he is wrong, or is not listened too. He is told to run out the clock. So that’s what he does. He gets apathetic because his bosses and coworkers don’t care so why should he.
I feel like you didn’t pay attention to the video since they say these things in the video
When he started, he basically did nothing and never made a sale. Then he got promoted for no reason and instead of doing his job, he just partied all the time and made up results that almost cost company bankruptcy. At what point did he try hard?
@@georgesmith6218 His promotion was not "For no reason." There was a reason for his promotion. He completed his MBA. David Wallace was excited to have an MBA graduate in the corporate offices.
He is also egotistical from early on. Dwight takes him on an adventure to teach him sales by overcoming fear. Dwight knows sales is about fear and not about knowing what to say. But, Ryan thinks Dwight is a weirdo and should not be listened to even though he has the best sales. Ego doomed Ryan. A millennial problem because in current society we are taught in a way where current knowledge is superior to all previous knowledge. Even modern culture is better than our parent’s culture. This gives the youth their ego.
@@BellalisDope true. Precisely
Everything falls apart with a little quick trip to the Office's wiki
Ryan was 26 in 2005, which means he was born in 1979, so he's not a millennial, he's gen X
You're looking at the actor's d.o.b., right? The character he plays, Ryan, could be a few years younger. I guess he's either an old millennial or the youngest of Gen-X.
@@babblingalong7689 both Ryan and Novak were born in 79, but don't share the same date, in fact Ryan is older. The characters don't actually sync up with the actors' ages, Ryan is actually the closest one. The second closest is Jim, bc both him and Krasinsky are from october, but one year apart.
@@daltonfilho835 I see. Well, as the youngest Gen-X'er I'm sure there's a lot of overlap between him and millenials.
He's still a clear stand in for the generation
I was about to say the same thing. He's around my age and I'm a Gen Xer. These days you're either a "Boomer" or a "Millenial". It's like society is trying to erase us...
I never thought I would say this but i kinda feel bad for ryan after watching this video. All he wanted was a good mentor. Ryan should’ve gone to jim for guidance.
Well, maybe Jim isn't really a good mentor either, because he isn't really working towards anything and is a little apathetic too (Though I am sure it wouldve been better than nothing!)
Lol You’d think that but Jim doesn’t share the same aspirations that Ryan wants to have. Ryan if you look closely actually feels a bit threatened by Jim because he’s the guy who's been able to see through everyone’s bull shit. Ryan wouldn’t dare let a guy like Jim be the reason he gets exposed so throughout most of the show he keeps his distance from Jim.
Either way Ryan did at one point try to help Dwight sabotage Jim when Jim had the co-manager position. Ryan even tried to hit on Pam but this was when her relationship with Roy ended and Jim transferred to Standford.
Watch more of the show and you’ll see Ryan is quite selfish deep down and good mentors don’t just come along for a guy like him.
Jim was apathetic and did not really care enough to take ryan under his wing. Jim and ryan in the first season had the same motives....they did not want to be in this job in the long run.
Is Jim a millennial too?
Except he does get a fantastic opportunity when he's promoted to VP (David Wallace seems like the best mentor you could ask for) and fucks it up by committing fraud.
I find it funny how a lot of old people call millennials the “entitled generation” and granted they do have a point, but you also might see those same old people flipping shit when a young person doesn’t “rEsPeCt tHeiR eLdErS”
Tell a boomer their coupon is expired and watch them attempt to sue the store
Why'd you capitalize every 2nd letter? You millenials all make the same internet jokes. Next, write out a two-liner where the first guy says something, then the 2nd guy says, "hold my beer".
@@davidmetzler6670 "You millennials all make the same internet jokes." That's how Trends work. Hell, you could say that about any generation. "You BOOMERS all make the same. I hate my wife jokes." "You Gen-Z all make the same I hate my life jokes." "You Gen-Alpha all make the same Skibidi Toilet jokes." Do you think this is the first time someone of an older generation has complained about Jokes from another? We got Gen-Z making fun of Gen-Aplha even though at their age we essentially watched the same thing. If you don’t find it funny, chances are, you’re not the age demographic that enjoys it. Also, them capitalizing every 2nd letter is them using a "mocking" tone. Kinda hard to indicate tone over text.
I always thought of Ryan as a subversive of the successful psychopath. The data shows more CEOs are psychopaths than you would find in the general population. And RV tends to glorify being a psychopath in the workplace. But The Office is a world where interpersonal relationships are the lifeblood of work. So while we might expect Ryan to climb up the corporate latter knocking people down along the way (and we get a small taste of that) we see him slip and fall on his own hubris.
Which was a GREAT feeling
Agreed. I think he is more like making fun of mogul types.
Not really, Ryan failed in the corporate world precisely because he's psychopathic. It doesn't get you very far. You're also thinking of sociopathy, which is also not common among any group of people.
I don't care if Ryan killed his entire family. He's like a son to me.
@@philchao Great minds think alike.
Yeah thats one son of a flesh weasel.
@@philchao pretty sure it's been a joke long before being used in this comment section.
Ryan seems like the grown up version of Greg Heffley
Wow this is very accurate actually
Wow
Hahaha omfg that's a good one.
truer words couldn't have been spoken
holy shit
Ryan is the perfect “little man given too much power” character.
The Germans nickname for me is "the little man?"
I feel like people are confusing entitlement with wanting something. I think it’s normal for someone to want a nice job, house, car, etc. just because you want something doesn’t mean your entitled. I remember someone complaining about how their granddaughter wanted a nice car. Just because someone mentions they want something doesn’t mean they are not going to work for it.
No that man was ENTITLED don't lie It's normal to want things but he acted like he ran the place when he was only one of the employees and this is coming from a genzie btw
Exactly. And we want those things bc we saw that the generations above us got those things with hard work.
@@roz0971 if you believe that they got it with hard work, you are misinformed...
Most of what the boomers 'have' was because the after war economic boom. They got everything. Good and safe jobs, save earnings, constant raises, low rent, etc. After them come the X, the sacrificed, because they couldn't have those jobs anymore and whanever they work hard or not, they couldn't get anything, no job safety, insecurity left and right, nothing. So the millenials are very lucky because they are inheriting the boomers jobs in a few years that the X wanted too. An intelligent Millenial today would learn a little bit about business management, human resssources management, some computer science and at least a 'real trade'. They will surpass the X and even the Z when their time comes...
@@roz0971 At that point it is entitled to expect to get something because someone else got it.
true no one is owed anything but at least for me in Canada i'm gen z i think 19 2002, but i will most likely never be able to own a house and even if i did buy it wouldn't be worth it as chances are it will be less in the future and be worth either a quarter or half a million for just a small home
Ryan's relationship with Kelly used to make me uncomfortable because I saw parallels with them and my last relationship. Now I think it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen
Besides her being one of the ugliest woman ive ever seen on TV.
@@BEATmyguest31 you must not have watched a lot of tv then
@@BEATmyguest31 Have you not seen Mama June?
I bet that Ryan reverted your a teenager after getting fired from Dunder Mifflin because he was to busy working and studying hard while he was a teen and young adult to actually enjoy himself.
My theory is that Ryan went into depression after getting fired from the VP position. He then just sort of went with the flow. He often used Kelly as a punching bag because walking all over her gave him a tiny shred of self esteem. Which is why in the end he was desperate to stop her from moving on.
I'm always worried that'll happen to me.
@Matxalen C
Well . . . don't let your fear hold you back or control you, but . . . yeah, that's an important part of yourself to listen to, too.
I think the best advice I can give is to always remember what matters most to you, and also why it matters. (At least, that's what helps me to push through struggles without losing myself in all the pressure.)
All the best! :)
I’m sorry, but I’m laughing hysterically at the title because it’s so true. I’ve just never seen it put into words before.
I'm laughing all the time because I'm the funniest TH-camr ever Gaga Gaga gaga im dangerouslyfunny
That was my reaction too. 😄
It’s just his entire existence is summed up so succinctly with only three words. 😂😂😂
The "Generation of participation awards" stereotype pisses me off so much and left a sour taste in my mouth regarding this video.
honestly, its one of those things you hear about more than actually see. I've seen it on tv than more in real life.
And the only person I know who did get participation trophies as a kid said them and their teammates felt crappy and knew they still lost anyway, so I meam
Lol
@@Starburst514 And you have think about who wrote millenials this way to begin with. Sorry, old comment. Point is, you're right.
@@FabalociousDee absolutely agree
Exactly!!!
This was so very well done. I can't even imagine how long this project took when you consider all the well-thought out analysis and the editing production. Thanks for the excellent content.
He never processed 9/11
To be fair, I don't think I did either.
I grew up getting bullied, emotionally invalidated and treated like a second class citizen by quite literally everyone I've ever known.
My own mother didn't treat me with any dignity or respect until I started hitting the gym or reading.
One day I watched Benny Hill 9/11 and laughed my ass off without knowing why.
Then I realized one day that I craved revenge on people and liked the idea of them suffering.
@@Darth_Bateman Joker Origin story
@@mst4813 I got better.
@@Darth_Bateman I hope you're okay and get some help before things get too bad. 💕 You deserve better.
@@xtonibx5770 Thanks friend, I got help through books and years of therapy. Turns out the reason my mother emotionally invalidating me caused me so many mental breakdowns had to do with the child within concept.
I think you’re describing a narcissist personality, not an average millennial. Most millennials aren’t like this; they are struggling living in a downhill economic system.
They're more arguing that he's a parody of how the media describes millennials, not a genuine example of a real life millennial. As a millennial with a bachelor's who can only get work as a delivery driver atm, I feel you.
@@ShakespearsCyst well what's your bachelor's degree in?
Actually this is how a lot of millennials are. A lot of them got useless degrees in liberal arts and act shocked when they don't find great paying jobs. Like Ben Shapiro says, "you can't get a degree in lesbian dance theory and expect to make a six figure salary".
@@michaelhernandez8772 my boyfriend is an architect and he can't get a single job where he lives, so your theory is wrong
@@lucianacaserta9563 then move to where the work is. It's always been like that with past generations. I guarantee people from previous generations didn't get a degree in anything they wanted and automatically had a good paying job in what they majored in just waiting for them. That's life, not everything will be in your backyard for your convenience. Sometimes you have to relocate. It's called migration.
When u realise the character youve hated for years is actually you 🥶
Minus the drugs, partying, jail time, manipulation, and hitting rock bottom. He really does seem like me. I'm scared y'all.
Riri Pari bro you have drugs? Can I buy some?
@@electr4367 Lol. No, I said I'm Ryan *minus* all the partying, drugs, and downward spiral. I've had some lows, but I haven't screwed up nearly as much as he had.
Ryan is one of my favorite characters in the show everyone is hating on him
Connor Sheerin i enjoy him a lot bc i relate to him, but i love him bc of how hated he is
Why does this feel like it was written by a boomer but narrated by a millennial?
That's exactly what I was thinking. Thanks for putting it into words.
It is. The Take usually has good videos, this is not one of them.
I guess they were right about millennials not being able to handle criticism, no matter how gentle
Apperantly im a millenial (born 1990) but I agree with *some* of these things
@@Mitcheeta Dismissing bad takes is different than not being able to handle criticism. There's nothing of substance here to "handle".
The progress of Ryan in the Office shows him slowly going insane
The Take videos are so soothing and informative, I want them to talk me through everything wrong in my life
Fax tho
The true villain is actually Michael Scott, because of him he turned a young inspired hero into a villian. It’s like the joker and Harvey dent in the dark knight.
Michaels entire angle is comedy...like the joker.
I believe that while micheal is a great character he is a HORRIBLE person think about it.
He screwed over a class for a college education.
He aided in the destruction of Jan
He was a jealous prickly when Holly came back still dating AJ
The entirety of season 1
He let Ryan back into the company after he had committed fraud
He replaced himself with Deanglo who couldn't even make a sale (I think)
I haven't watched the office since summer sp don't go insane if I got some things wrong
@@themerrymaker7144 I had a boss similar to Michael. I can confirm that Michael is fun to watch but working with a person like him was nightmare. He was inappropriate and it was so hard to get the work done. Especially if you are working on a project hence reporting to more than one people someone like Michael can delay things in a catastrophic way and you end up cleaning the mess between departments. Also imagine being Pam, he was soo inappropriate to her. Also to Jan, Phyllis, Meredith...Ryan!
@@eciyk feels bad man
@@themerrymaker7144Didn't we all already know this?
Yeah.... I thought that was well known.
Im a millennial, I can say that Im just another Ryan. Im guilty of this. Still working on my problem. Wish me well
Good luck loser
Hi James. I'm a millennial who was able to overpower this generation problem of ours. I did it, and you can get it done too. I wish you all the luck, man! And a lot of love, we need this! ❤️
Good luck to you. You can do it!
You got this!
I'm a boomer and you have no gumption
I adored Ryan's depressingly plausible arc in the show. Novak's comedic delivery is brilliant too.
"What Ryan needs more than anything is a leader... unfortunately he gets Michael Scott." 😂💀
As one of the last drops in the millennial ocean, I have to admit that the perils of school, work, politics and the economy is crushing my soul faster than I'd like to admit.
Everything feels so useless, stupid and like it's never going to go anywhere.
I wanted and still want to make a difference, but everywhere I look, the obstacles just seem too high.
I want to help people, make society progress, find a fulfilling purpose, but the damn system keeps kicking me in the shin!
I'm going to keep trying regardless, but honestly, I don't know if I'll be able to withstand the crushing nihilism of it all in the long run.
We'll see.
I can relate. I also wanted to do great things for humanity and make a difference in my teens. But now I've realised even doing something small like teaching one underprivileged student for free or buying lunch for the one homeless guy, you're already creating a big difference in these people's lives. You may not be able to make huge policy changes, but you can vote for those who have similar mindset like yours.
I feel you. My advice is to act local. Acts of service. Find a way to make a small difference in your local community.
Sounds wanky, I know. But I find acts of service really grounding, and keeps life in perspective.
Agatha z no says we have to make a difference. Personally, I still want to.
Something tells me, Severinsen, you've got some angsty poetry hidden away somewhere. Feel free to share 😉
I so feel this.
When I first found this channel I thought this was just another WatchMojo. But it really seems like this channel cares about the videos they make. Keep it up!
Ryan: I don't want to be the "something" guy.
Later becomes the Fire(d) Guy.
Lauren Brown also becomes the prison guy
The Hired Guy?
They KNEW where it was going long before the episode came out.
That was clever
This deserves more likes.
"I'd rather she be alone then with somebody, is this love ?"
That's called selfishness
This hit uncomfortably close to home to me, and brought back memories of a failed internship that ended in my complete and utter humiliation.
"I'd rather she be alone than with somebody. Is that love?"
We are BACK, BABYYYY
I misses the the office analysis soooo much
I kind of hated the reference to Simon Sinek's "millennial suck" conference because it's something that thinks it speaks profound truth, when really it's saying nothing, ignores the real sociological factors that have shaped millennials and basically amounts to the equivalent of "I blame video games for why this generation sucks."
I am not a fan of that Simon Sinek interview either. He comes across as an insufferable know it all, and certainly not someone I would look up to or take advice from.
IS Ryan even a Millennial? He seems a little too old to even be the OLDEST a Millennial can be.
Kari166 he’s technically a gen X
Hes gen x
BJ Novak and John Krasinski are in the same age in real llife
Millenials were born in the 80s
He's supposed to be in his early 20s in the beginning of the series, which would make him an older Millennial.
I imagine in thirty years, I'm gonna start hearing, "Okay, Millennial!"
"You, my friend, would be da belle of da ball. Don't drop da soap! Don't drop da soap!" - Prison Mike
da ball xD
I just looked it up and Ryan is Gen X on the younger end of the spectrum born on May 5, 1979
Gianni :X Lmao
wait that’s my birthday lmao not the year tho
Well he played and acted like a millennial
the character isn't necessary the age of the actor lmao
@@analupelosi3319 But in this case they do happen to be the same age.
This video should be renamed “bashing millennials for 20 minutes”
as all things should be
I dont mind cuz im not one
I wouldnt even say that. I actually think alot of what they said was valid. And I am a millennial with a story similiar to ryans
damn, can u take even a little bit of criticism? kind of proves the point tho lmfao....
more like defending millennial for 20 minutes, this video clearly made him the victim of a system that is set to fail while at the same time makes people afraid of failing
one of my favorite quotes from the office is "If you ask me, that's the American dream, right there. Anything can happen to anyone. It's just random"
it is just that the people running the companies pretend it is not, and the next generations have huge expectations
this reminds me of one time my (boomer) english teacher assigned our (gen z) class an argumentative essay on whether or not participation trophies should be given but had to scrap it when we all said no
Ryan saying he doesn't want to be known as "that guy" when he will always be the one who started the fire.
More Office character analysis!
Big fan of the take but aren't these stereotypes kinda problematic?
It is fun pop-sociology but millennials and gen z stereotypes are clearly not always accurate and you can do damage by sharing them uncritically. Young people have always had to work hard (including this gen), difference is now is they get a lot less for that work (apart from big student loans, expensive housing costs, etc). They have probably been graded and tested more than any other gen. I think their disillusionment has a deeper explanation.
In truth, people like Ryan, would figure out how out how to work there...because you don't have a much a choice, ultimately. Or he would move on to something he wants to do. Like many before him have and many people will do after him.
I typically love The Take, but the anti-youth and misandry stereotypes start to leak through eventually if you douse yourself in too much pop culture.
That is to say, I'm not going to be apologetic for Ryan, he is clearly an asshole. But if people take this hyperbolic cartoon of a character as a realistic depiction of a millennial, it justifies all the problematic treatment of millennials.
People just want the Office to be real life. The Take is making videos to get views, and we're the victims.
So true thnx
Stereotypical characters don't make for interesting characters!
And I feel like Ryan's archetype in the later seasons is just kind of lazy, low-hanging fruit that goes against the spirit of The Office. The Office was at its strongest when it was about people and their relationships with each other. Jokes like Jim and Pam going to Jan and Michael's extremely awkward dinner party or Kevin being left out of Oscar and Angela's accounting conversations. Those jokes needed to be carefully crafted and thought about. They require a greater context and cleverness than just relying on current, perpetuating stereotypes about a generation.
The REAL truth of the millennial generation: Even when we do more , we get get less.
Bad bringings can lead to villainous actions, but there's a certain point when those actions are solely the responsibility of the doer. He may have had a coddled childhood, but when you go to college and enter the workforce, you tend to meet other people that have different upbringing, especially when you start from the ground floor. There's a point when that person needs to open his/her eyes and understand that the world has not gone through your childhood. At a certain point, all of those actions are pure villainy by Ryan with no excuse.
I love how they included Elon Musk in that montage about new-money assholes...the ultimate criminal douche-bro. Except in the case of Musk, he also has the added factor of having money from Apartheid origins.
I’m the very last year of a millennial, but I’ve always felt like Ryan’s personality, constant drives to do big things to quickly give up and procrastinate, self destructive behavior after cycles of huge strides towards stability and financial successes, he’s relatable, which is why I like his character.
Which generation didnt have such traits?
Funny how the “me generation” is a term actually coined and popularized by writers Tom Wolfe and Christopher Lasch in the 70s to describe narcissistic, young baby boomers... and Ryan is not the only millennial in that office.
To be fair how much do Pam and Jim care about their jobs either? And Kelly??
Mikayla Stewart or any of the other characters who are much older than them? And yet Stanley doesn’t become the face of Gen X laziness.
@@BlackXSunlight right? They're all lazy and hate their jobs lol
yeah generational discourse makes me cringe because it seems people don't realize the so called conflits that arise between two generations are essentially the same, over and over gain.
I mean I think Jim and Pam were at the tail end of generation X but they're pretty much on the same plane of laziness, though they're more "I don't care where I'm at I just wanna have fun while I'm at it" type of people.
The hippy movement and sense of entitlement was led by young baby boomers. The millennial learned from the best, and boomers won't take responsibility BECAUSE of this entitlement.
Gen X has sadly become apathetic and slipped through the cracks, but gen Z may have some hope.
As progressive as the hippy movement could be at times, it saddens me to say that the majority of the time it was just a way of justifying the excesses the boomers took advantage of.
No. Gen Z is nothing but lazy-nihilism. They are not the future.
Gen z is a joke just like millennials which I'm unfortunatelya part of do to being born early 90s. The difference is I don't associate myself with them and get constantly annoyed and frustrated with them. Bunch of whiny crybabies "oh hur dur you didn't use my proper pronoun I have ptsd now because you don't believe in the millions of fake genders we invent everyday cause we're whiny little retards" yeah no. Gen z is not the future and if they take over, due to the delusional influence of millennials then this world is done for.
@@BansheeKing22 you seem quite triggered my little trust fund baby. Who hurt you? Lmao
@@ultimadum7785 trust fund huh? Nice guess but not true. Grew up poor so calling me a trust fund baby doesn't mean anything
I love the subplot of Michael having a man crush on Ryan
It was sexual harassment tho
@@anonanonymous213 Totally.
This is wicked insightful. I always had an issue with Ryan's character, because I generally saw him as a lazily-written caricature of the Millennial worker, and I hated it because caricatures of generations only further the divide between them.
It makes waaaayy more sense the way it's described here. I'd been analyzing Ryan in a vacuum, but you have to consider the environment he's responding to before considering the way he acts. I think my only issue is that this meaning has definitely gone over a lot of peoples' heads, thus going back to what I said above-- furthering the divide between generations, and the divide between subcultures of those generations. All it would take is one witty line in season 8 or 9 about how he'd been reacting to the world around him, and maybe he wouldn't have gotten this overall reputation as a silly throwaway character.
Again, really well written video, oh my god! The B roll choices are also really stellar in this. How do y'all content creators sort through 9 seasons of tv show and find these perfect little blips to use for each line??
She realizes that millenials being lazy and entitled is a stereotype right? One that I have found to hardly ever be true.
RIGHT
That's probably because you're a millenial--duh! Haha go play video games and whine about your mental health
ryan, from a temp. to CS, to Manager, to bowling alley, to sales, and back on CS
but i know a worse tragedy than ryan's
its Matthew mara's tragedy
Worse than Shakespearean tragedies. I need a video analysis on that street rat
I’m not gonna sit here and try and get inside the mind of a dog.
have you ever heard of the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise?
It's actually quite interesting. In my family the wave of cousins born in the early 90s are just now moving out and finding a job, making a life. The next wave of us born in 2000-2002 are all college age and are leaving. I really have a hard to time figuring out what happened in such a short time. As for living at home, my parents are only letting me live home if I find a job that matches my career or go somewhere to do research or something. So I guess that stereotype has changed too
Ryan is the example of how the office can drive one mad
I love corporate Ryan. He finally shuts Michael up. Michael treated him like a pet and objectified him for years. He also knows how antiquated the company is and how unproductive the staff is. They spend their day goofing off and now he’s in charge. I’d be an asshole too.
"... but when he describes himself as a child lost on a life raft".. 😩😩😩
I felt that😭😭😭
The office turned its characters into cartoons and this guy is no different
Yeah, I watched the show to the end, and man did they Stretch Armstrong everyone even before Michael exited. By the end of the series, all subtleties and nuances went out the window, and some of the characters just became bizarre, blown-up versions of their early selves.
It's called Flanderization, based on Ned Flanders, and often plagues long running shows
It worked and was funny for certain characters but it never did much for Ryan.
This video felt like a trip, thanks.
He's a young member of Gen X, not a millennial.
This would have been a really good video as a character study without the forced generational stereotypes and blaming everything on social media. Funny how working class people of the same age don't suffer from these issues.
"Have no intention to connect with others" if that aint me in my work place now. But it's not bcs i feel like i'm better than the rest of them, but bcs i'm the only unmarried women in my job. It translate to a perfect target for harassment. I just don't feel comfortable around them and i can get myself far away from those people, i wouldn't think twice
The accuracy.
I always deeply enjoyed his character considering he's always been one of the writers and producers since the beginning.
I'll never see Ryan the same way as I did before
It's sad that I kind of relate to Ryan lmao
I love that the writers Mindy, BJ, and Paul all made their own characters either unlikeable to the audience or to the other characters.
"to the troops. all the troops. both sides" -ryan howard
my fav line from the office
This hits so close to home.... minus the meteoric rise to success and subsequent infamy.
But the point about "... the instagram appearance of happiness is all that matters" is spot on. I can't tell you how many people I know present themselves as being happy and doing really well, but we're all in financial duress and critically unprepared for the future (i.e. health insurance, needing a new car, starting a family, etc.) In reality, we're stressed the hell out. We end up feeling less accomplished, depressed, and alone. We undervalue ourselves in the job market because all we see online is success, we never see the failure. If anybody feels the same (and I know that there are people who do), know that you're not alone. Stay strong, carry on, and I'll do the same.
Ryan is like the biggest Smokey Robinson's fans EVER
you know that one song "Tracks of My Tears"
He died today, and I was the first to know.
Ryan will always be a favorite for me! So happy to see this. When watching the show, I never knew he was meant to represent a millennial.
S R lol thanks for stating the obvious, friend.
He wasn't. That's just the opinion of this channel and not what was intentionally done in 2005. He was meant to be the new know-it-all new employee
@@ac4181 Exactly, the channel is leaving out that Ryan is supposed to be the same age as BJ which makes him a younger Gen-Xer.
Michael is Type 7.
Dwight is Type 4w5.
Jim is Type 9.
Kelly is Type 3w4.
Andy is Type 3w2
Pam is Type 9.
Angela is Type 5.
Ryan is Type 8.
I love this channel because it’s as fun as miss Mojo but you guys do a better job at analyzing the deeper meaning and unpacking symbols that make the character reflect us today. Also you back up your trope analysis with clips from other shows and like psychological material... it’s really incredible and it really backs up what you say. Even the video feels like a narrative & I can’t imagine how many hours of editing and research it takes to make one video. Yet it’s so effortless I hadn’t even thought of it until yesterday with this video
I like how well researched this is. I always viewed Ryan as irritating, never realized there's so much more to the story
"Ryan has never made a sale and started a fire!" The best line of all time!
Micheal scott despite being obnoxious was the only one who cared for everyone and the reason why many of them especially Ryan have jobs.
Honestly Ryan wasn’t that bad of a character he was funny and had some good laughs