Good dayS as in plural?! Idk that sounds made up. Life is even more dreadful, pleasureless, hollow and irritating than even THIS SHOW makes it out to be. INCLUDING the Scotts Tots episode AND the last two seasons.
I thought she was going to turn out to be the mole, but I guess that was just a throw away line. Rewatching the series recently made me notice more than a few things they set up and never followed up on
me too, besides the rich part. my family is upper-middle class but they spend money like they’re rich, except when buying my cheap meds or reasonably priced therapy, then they all of a sudden can't afford shit
Does anyone realize he went to Cornell? Only kidding, of course. Having your name changed when you are 6 because your father thinks you are not worthy explains everything about his insecure personality,
I love the compassionate sympathy that Daryl has for Andy. We don't see what Daryl's parents were like, but Daryl can understand where Andy's flaws and insecurity come from: his elitist, distant parents.
I have to wonder. If he ever gotten together with Kelly what they have brought out the best or the worst in each other. Either way a missed opportunity
I always saw Nellie as a big part of his decline he did put a lot of work in earning the forgiveness, respect, and friendship of his co-working to the point of getting a tattoo on his ass. Yet she is welcomed relatively quickly despite stealing his job very similar to what he did to Dwight and anytime he expressed anger at this he was treated as the bad guy. The final nail on the coffin was his father ruining and then abandoning the family. As you stated he was the underlining cause of Andy’s personality and with that gone he stopped caring. Why try so hard to accomplish something when not only do you see there is no benefit to it, but other people can achieve it like achieve with a snap of their finger. As for erin I see that more as the writers forcing a black and white issue into a situation that’s decidedly grey and it never goes the way they want in fact it is usually the opposite.
I didn’t really like the last season of The Office, and what they did to Andy is part of the reason why. It felt like they just wrote him to be as unlikable as possible to spite Ed Helms for working on The Hangover instead of putting all of his time into the last season.
Okay but the long line of WASPs dating back to Moses is an underrated line. It reminds me of a story my grandmother would tell (she was from rural Georgia, born Baptist and converted to Catholicism when she met my Grandfather up north). Her grandmother who was really sweet defended her against the rest of the family by saying "So what if she's Catholic, Jesus's mother was Catholic". I find the story both endearing and funny.
I seriously hated the whole Angela and Andy marriage arc. Mostly because Angela is the most hated character on the show. The actress who plays her is nice, but her character makes me upset whenever she’s on screen or puts down Pam for no reason.
Thank you for this video. I always liked Andy because I know what it feels like to have those kinds of parents, and it’s true he doesn’t understand other people sometimes. But he has a lot of other great qualities too. Unfortunately not a lot of people can see this or understand where he’s coming from. Unfortunately being raised by narcissists makes it harder to relate to others on a fundamental level because many of our developmental years were drastically different than most of our peers. Thanks for giving Andy the character analysis he deserves.
To take some liberties with the nard dogs wish.... "Always live life like it's the good ol'days because you never really know until it's too late." Words to live by for sure.
Recently I've learned to hate this sort of arc of privileged rich characters who are constantly pushing the agenda that "money doesn't buy happiness" "money isn't everything" to make people feel comfortable with their place of inequality. This is just so people can have de illusion that they need to focus on the good in life and accept their station whilst actually feeling *bad* about the rich who are the ones actively thriving from people's misfortune
Agreed. If you're rich it's really easy to say that money doesn't buy happiness. But for poor people many problems will be solved with money. Health care, a good home, decent food, etc. All those things contribute to happiness. But I often feel that poverty gets romantized as having a warm happy family, where everyone gets accepted for who they are. And rich people get portrait as cold unloving families who constantly demand perfection from their children. It's as if to show us: See, you should be glad to be in the place you are.
Maybe we should change the phrase to “wealth doesn’t buy happiness.” Of course money isn’t the be all end all but it definitely relieves a lot of unnecessary stress!
I kinda agree with you.. Rich people or people who become rich are usually users and opportunists.. so in my opinion they are using the statement 'money can't buy happiness' to justify their guilt.. but it is true money can't buy happiness as there are so many depressed rich people.. but yeah most of them don't deserve sympathy as the gap between rich and poor has become just so huge. And most of them have acquired wealth with unfair means
I see what you're saying and I think that can happen from these stories. But these kinds of stories are also a cautionary tale about how we shouldn't aspire to that kind of life because it will mostly likely leave us empty and there are better things to do with money than hoard it all away and act like it makes you better than everyone else. Another thing I would add is that being mad at random people for being born wealthy, doesn't have anything to do with the system that put them there. Raging over the khardasians living in excess is exactly what the ultra wealthy want the lower classes to do. Because while people are busy complaining about that they don't notice how corporations change the laws in their favor, and billionaires quietly paying off politicians. People like andy have nothing to do with that. It is pretty annoying and cruel that people get born into drastically different life situations for no good reason. But the system that creates these inequalities, and the billionaires that perpetuate it, are the issue, not random rich people that own vacation homes.
Honestly after watching a lot of TV shows and movies about wealthy people especially period pieces, I come to believe that a lot of them set these arbitrary rules and traditions that don't allow them to enjoy their privilege or understand the position of a person who can't afford to feed themselves if they are intent on the difference between a salad or dessert fork.
I think a lot of that is born of a need to draw a clear distinction between themselves and the rest of humanity, as a way to prove that they’re uniquely worthy of holding all that wealth.
Hits way too close to home. I sent it to my mentor and he called immediately, saying sarcastically that "he only got 5 minutes in and wanted to make sure I hadn't killed myself." For background, my mom left me to go on a cruise as a child while I was recovering from getting hit by a car because "you'd already woken up from the coma and you had amnesia, so it isn't like you remember that I was there." She uttered that gem at a dinner party she was throwing 6 months ago. I haven't seen children of rich narcissists on the screen to relate to.
Ed Helms stars in "Rutherford Falls" on Peacock, and his character seems like something of a correction of Andy. He plays a man obsessed with his family history as the founders of his hometown to the point where gatekeeping his family history has become his entire identity. And, like Andy, he is confronted with his ancestors problematic past which sends him into a bit of a tailspin. He's also born in privilege and is also an outcast in his wealthy family. The first season's pretty good and definitely has room to grow if they give it a chance like Parks and Rec. It also does a good job depicting modern Native American life in an honest but still humorous way.
Out of all The Office videos this channel made, this is hands down the best one! You summarized (or really, psychoanalyzed) Andy's character so perfectly.
I believe being around people you love and people who love you can truly make a difference and change your life. And also, having a relationship with God. God has a great plan for everyone
His career at a paper company can´t possibly bring him the career status he was conditioned to want. His narcissistic parents, his brother, and his other WASP upper crust Cornell classmates see him as someone who lost every competition he was in. They would look down on him for his job. He was not just super competitive, but it is problematic that he lost most of his competition.
That’s the best part. When you start ignoring them. Then you get new obstacles and the old people will appear again when you’re on your feet but won’t recognise you. That’s when you win.
Can you guys do a video about Parks & Rec? I love how Leslie Knope and the Native American Pawnee people work together despite their bloody history. Also the way Ron and Leslie work together is a perfect representation of how liberals and conservatives should work together.
I feel like the writers get the whole WASP thing wrong, and that's part of why his character is all over the place. As a millionth generation Old New England WASP, from old money, notable Revolutionary War connections, can claim half the surviving Mayflower passengers as ancestors, the works, I can confidently say they got his character wrong, especially in regards to privilege. Here's the magic of having that kind of privilege: You know from birth that there is virtually no chance that that privilege is going to be taken away. You don't have to rub it anyone's face. Other people getting a better lot in life isn't going to diminish your own. You don't have to prove anything to anyone. Ideally you realize this, and use your privilege to help others. When it comes to old money, that kind of noblesse oblige carries much greater social currency than what kind of car you drive, of how much is in your trust fund. Andy's character *screams* new money wannabe WASP, as do his parents. That kind of clamoring for status, and trying to prove you're better than everyone says, "I'm insecure in my position in society." It doesn't say, "I have a top drawer education, the resources to do what I want, and don't have to prove anything to anyone." Of all the main characters on the show, his was really the least consistently developed, and it's because the writers didn't seem to understand the kind of person they were writing. He ended up all over the place.
I dunno, I think the writers understood pretty well because I'd say his character was a parody of what you describe. If they were trying to do a serious portrayal the way you describe it wouldn't be funny.
With all due respect my dude… it sounds like YOU just don’t want to have much in common with Andy. He was written disturbingly well- that’s why the audience has such stark feelings about him. If you don’t relate to Andy that’s cool, but don’t say he was ill-written just because his experience doesn’t match yours.
The best way to deal with privileged egoistic parents. Is to NEVER expect anything positive from them and NEVER telling them about your life. It has worked for me until now, because such kind of parents are never satisfied until their child is miserable enough to make them feel good with themselves. I’m lucky enough to have found good friends who have helped me to understand my qualities and weakness.
I can honestly say I can relate to Andy. Sure, he’s a more extreme case, but my upbringing was somewhat similar except I was the favorite child which comes with its own issues.
Out of curiosity, what are the downsides/disadvantages of being the favorite? It doesn't seem like those types of children have to work as hard for their parents love.
@@IamKKH I won’t be able to speak for everyone’s experiences; but with me, it can be summed up like this: 1. It’s actually the opposite about getting their love in a way. It’s not about “getting their love”, but keeping it. Me-personally-my mom (single parent) kicked both my older siblings out when they were 18-so…I was 8 years old-because she couldn’t deal with them anymore. So from that point on, I dealt with the fear that if I wasn’t good enough, I would be abandoned by mom, thrown out, and alone. 2. Feeding into the first point, the pressure. Always feeling like you have to impress someone and be admired by everyone otherwise you are a failure. 3. Certain goals and aspirations must be approved. Again, this might just apply to me. Though I was generally successful in academics and sports, those were never really passions of mine. At the end of the day, I like to write stories, create characters, draw, stuff like that. But my mom deeply desired for me to be a pastor or a doctor. Because of that, activities and passions I enjoyed were often shunned or even mocked. 4. Siblings-if you have them-often take out their frustrations on you. My siblings-to this day-still say that I’m the favorite child and often go along with the pressure my mom puts on me by criticizing any mistakes I make and shoving them in face any chance they get. Here’s an example. Like I said previously “I was generally successful in school”. So I was an A-B student. My brother who now has a daughter often compares her to me saying “Well, she gets all A’s unlike you”. Because of that, my niece often feels pressured to comparing herself to me. Not just in academics. 2nd Example (Quick one). I cursed in front of my older sister. Not at her. Just to myself expressing some frustration. And her response was literally “you’re too pure for that”. 5. This is just a generalization, but stick with me. Usually, any time I say I have an issue, the blame is actually never with the other person. It’s always about what I failed to do which resulted in their actions. Edit: Sorry, sorry last thing. I’m just gonna tell you what a psychiatrist told me. Basically he told me about a previous patient of his who was in a similar position as me who ended up committing suicide because all the pressure and expectation that they’d be the “successful one” got to them. Now I could go on, but I think you get my point.
@@IamKKH It never feels good to be compared to your siblings. Never. Only narcissistic parents will constantly pit their children against each other and compare them. If you’re a parent, please never do this to your kids. It undermines their self worth and even if you’re the kid being put on the pedestal, it still feels terrible to see the pain on your siblings face when your parent is saying cruel things to them and then bringing you up like, “why can’t you be more like your sister?” And then your siblings hate you because you “make them look bad.” This kind of toxicity destroys families.
@@IamKKH awesome question. You NEVER want to be a parent’s “pet”. It’s repressive. So many parents want obedient children who mimic their values, because they think they have the answers. At least rebellious teens are free to be who they are. That’s what we’re designed to do at that age.
W/r/t the building donation, you didn't need to go to a deleted scene. He also name drops the building in a different moment when discussing leaving the building and discovering acapella.
Everyone including his parents hated him, and yet he was nice to everyone until the lack of support broke him. It wasn't privilege that messed him up, it was lack of emotional support and acceptance. Wasn't even him, the dude just needed friends.
“If only he had access to Skillshare!” I almost unsubscribed. Please don’t do that again. You’ve already mentioned your sponsor three times in the video at this point.
I wouldn't exactly call a Cornell graduate who works in middle management at a regional Paper Supply Company in 2015 privileged I wouldn't call anybody in Scranton privileged.
I don’t understand and think it’s sad how Andy was treated. But he had all the resources to find and help himself become better easily. He also had many moments of self awareness. I don’t think there is much meaning in his story compared to so many others just in The Office itself
Honestly, for a video with this title I’m surprised it’s about Andy Bernard. I was kind of expecting something like that for Kendall Roy. But great job as always!
Just because something is realistic doesn’t make it satisfying. We’d have to consult an expert on story structure to see if a character’s regression can still constitute a proper arc. It certainly doesn’t geometrically speaking, but I’m not an authority on the subject. We should probably ask about Jaime Lannister while we’re at it. As a viewer, though, I can tell you: the regression and muddled zigzagging certainly wasn’t satisfying to watch.
I actually relate alot with Andy so I felt pretty bad when I was watching him in the office. I was born in a rich family, have a lot of anger issues, very competitive with my friends academically, and am very insecure
Hmm I'm not sure I understood the whole point of this video. It seems that the Take tried their best to tie up Andy's character, but his character arch's just too problematic to tie together. Like some of the things that happened to Andy's character are decisions from the show producers/writers due to Ed Helms' other work.
What I think it’s BS is that this video starts on point criticising Andy’s parents narcissism (rightly) but then goes on about privilege when the only problem is the fact that they’re narcissists. No matter what social class you are, you can be a narcissist and ruin your child’s life. With or without privilege. Johnny Cash grew up humbly and his father always preferred his brother over him. It took him almost his whole adulthood to let that go. It’s not like he made it because of it but in spite of it. And even after having made it, he was still miserable.
Him trying to “people please” Angela with that screensaver wasn’t people pleasing. That was him trying to get her in bed lol their actual relationship is full of people pleasing
I found him to be the most annoying character on the show throughout most episodes. But the episode in which Michael is the other man with a married woman, speaking badly of the husband around Andy, totally disregarding that Andy had been recently cheated on by Angela, was a great one and his character was needed.
Absolutely, especially since they made Andy Bernard or as I call him Andy Berdoosh as the manager. Once Carell left, the show was never the same, the people loved Michael Scott, they hated Andy Bernard. He was self-centered, one-dimensional and not funny, unlike Carell. I think he just got tired of the Office and when he got no response form the NBC brass, he thought it was time to leave. Carell planned to stay on the show and sign another couple of years, they just did not get a response from the executives. At least Carell had the most success and now he will play Gru, the hero in Despicable me. He had some box office duds but he had the most success out of all of them. And Andy Bernard or Ed Helms is Privilege in real life because his dad was a hedge-fund manager. The executive producer of the show was a Dartmouth Grad and she made his character extra dooshy because he was a Cornell grad, the rival school. The only thing I can say is he played his role well.
No, it’s not quirky or funny to make it seems like an ad is a genuine progression of the talk and has to do something with the character. In fact, it’s very annoying and distracting.
The writers ruined his character because they were kissed Ed helms went to do the hangover 3. His story arc in season 9 could have been really good. I think the take is reaching a bit on this one
Very nice vid and I like the office a lot but shame on you for the adds. An add at the start and end about mugs, an add as part of the video AND frequent interrupting adds during the video. Shame on you. "It seems there's a video in all of your adds"
I have never hated a sitcom character before andy. Like actually hated. I love the show, but not andy. I never knew I could hate someone who doesn't even exist
The first 1,000 people to use this link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/thetake10211
GET YOUR WEIRD GIRL MERCH: bit.ly/3dcsJ0H
I always loved that quote of Andy’s at the end:
“I wish there was a way to know you’re in the good old days before you’ve actually left them”
☺️♥️
Me too. Made me cry. And somehow he was the best (or... less bad?) manager they had...
My favorite Andy quote is, "Sorry I annoyed you with my friendship." lol
That gets me in tears every time. Every friggin' time.
Good dayS as in plural?! Idk that sounds made up. Life is even more dreadful, pleasureless, hollow and irritating than even THIS SHOW makes it out to be. INCLUDING the Scotts Tots episode AND the last two seasons.
They really played him dirty at the end. The face he made when Dwight became manager was heartbreaking.
But I’m happy he got his dream job at Cornell.
Did he not meet the girl at the singing thing? I choose to believe he got together with her
I thought she was going to turn out to be the mole, but I guess that was just a throw away line. Rewatching the series recently made me notice more than a few things they set up and never followed up on
Thanks for the spoiler alert.
@@sonias9722 😂😂😂 I’m choosing to read this as sarcasm😂
Yúü though Dr yy get g got f
That horrible feeling when you realize you're andy
me too, besides the rich part. my family is upper-middle class but they spend money like they’re rich, except when buying my cheap meds or reasonably priced therapy, then they all of a sudden can't afford shit
I don't have slaves.
sadly
@@monochromatic_melodramatic yeah same for me. Not rich but we had enough for it to be a problem
@@MPconTraje i wish i had slaves
Im waiting for my high class life, i just received the toxic part
Does anyone realize he went to Cornell? Only kidding, of course. Having your name changed when you are 6 because your father thinks you are not worthy explains everything about his insecure personality,
Sadly and hilariously I do know a guy who this happened to, and he is an actual dumpster fire of a person
@@Hippidippimahm that’s sad and unfortunate for him
I love the compassionate sympathy that Daryl has for Andy. We don't see what Daryl's parents were like, but Daryl can understand where Andy's flaws and insecurity come from: his elitist, distant parents.
I have to wonder. If he ever gotten together with Kelly what they have brought out the best or the worst in each other. Either way a missed opportunity
That would be one hilarious and superficial couple!
I always saw Nellie as a big part of his decline he did put a lot of work in earning the forgiveness, respect, and friendship of his co-working to the point of getting a tattoo on his ass. Yet she is welcomed relatively quickly despite stealing his job very similar to what he did to Dwight and anytime he expressed anger at this he was treated as the bad guy. The final nail on the coffin was his father ruining and then abandoning the family. As you stated he was the underlining cause of Andy’s personality and with that gone he stopped caring. Why try so hard to accomplish something when not only do you see there is no benefit to it, but other people can achieve it like achieve with a snap of their finger.
As for erin I see that more as the writers forcing a black and white issue into a situation that’s decidedly grey and it never goes the way they want in fact it is usually the opposite.
I didn’t really like the last season of The Office, and what they did to Andy is part of the reason why. It felt like they just wrote him to be as unlikable as possible to spite Ed Helms for working on The Hangover instead of putting all of his time into the last season.
Love them or hate him but he went from being so hated that he made dwight likable into being at one point the boss.
Okay but the long line of WASPs dating back to Moses is an underrated line. It reminds me of a story my grandmother would tell (she was from rural Georgia, born Baptist and converted to Catholicism when she met my Grandfather up north). Her grandmother who was really sweet defended her against the rest of the family by saying "So what if she's Catholic, Jesus's mother was Catholic". I find the story both endearing and funny.
It's funny cus she was Jewish before Jesus was born and Christianity wasn't a thing that had a name yet
I seriously hated the whole Angela and Andy marriage arc. Mostly because Angela is the most hated character on the show. The actress who plays her is nice, but her character makes me upset whenever she’s on screen or puts down Pam for no reason.
Could you do a Take on teachers in film next? There's such a weird dichotomy of sexual/bad teachers and wholesome/inspiring teachers.
In my experience, real life teachers loathe the "wholesome/inspiring teachers" trope and mock colleagues who remind them of Dead Poet's Society
There could definitely be a video in the transition to stories about unruly kids becoming stories about unruly teachers.
They speak about weird teachers in the Glee series of videos
Thank you for this video. I always liked Andy because I know what it feels like to have those kinds of parents, and it’s true he doesn’t understand other people sometimes. But he has a lot of other great qualities too. Unfortunately not a lot of people can see this or understand where he’s coming from. Unfortunately being raised by narcissists makes it harder to relate to others on a fundamental level because many of our developmental years were drastically different than most of our peers. Thanks for giving Andy the character analysis he deserves.
Dwight mocking Andy about Cornell was my favourite moment
To take some liberties with the nard dogs wish....
"Always live life like it's the good ol'days because you never really know until it's too late."
Words to live by for sure.
Recently I've learned to hate this sort of arc of privileged rich characters who are constantly pushing the agenda that "money doesn't buy happiness" "money isn't everything" to make people feel comfortable with their place of inequality. This is just so people can have de illusion that they need to focus on the good in life and accept their station whilst actually feeling *bad* about the rich who are the ones actively thriving from people's misfortune
Agreed. If you're rich it's really easy to say that money doesn't buy happiness. But for poor people many problems will be solved with money. Health care, a good home, decent food, etc. All those things contribute to happiness. But I often feel that poverty gets romantized as having a warm happy family, where everyone gets accepted for who they are. And rich people get portrait as cold unloving families who constantly demand perfection from their children. It's as if to show us: See, you should be glad to be in the place you are.
Maybe we should change the phrase to “wealth doesn’t buy happiness.”
Of course money isn’t the be all end all but it definitely relieves a lot of unnecessary stress!
I kinda agree with you..
Rich people or people who become rich are usually users and opportunists.. so in my opinion they are using the statement 'money can't buy happiness' to justify their guilt.. but it is true money can't buy happiness as there are so many depressed rich people.. but yeah most of them don't deserve sympathy as the gap between rich and poor has become just so huge. And most of them have acquired wealth with unfair means
I see what you're saying and I think that can happen from these stories.
But these kinds of stories are also a cautionary tale about how we shouldn't aspire to that kind of life because it will mostly likely leave us empty and there are better things to do with money than hoard it all away and act like it makes you better than everyone else.
Another thing I would add is that being mad at random people for being born wealthy, doesn't have anything to do with the system that put them there. Raging over the khardasians living in excess is exactly what the ultra wealthy want the lower classes to do. Because while people are busy complaining about that they don't notice how corporations change the laws in their favor, and billionaires quietly paying off politicians. People like andy have nothing to do with that. It is pretty annoying and cruel that people get born into drastically different life situations for no good reason. But the system that creates these inequalities, and the billionaires that perpetuate it, are the issue, not random rich people that own vacation homes.
“Have you ever seen a sad person on a jet ski?” - Daniel Tosh
Honestly after watching a lot of TV shows and movies about wealthy people especially period pieces, I come to believe that a lot of them set these arbitrary rules and traditions that don't allow them to enjoy their privilege or understand the position of a person who can't afford to feed themselves if they are intent on the difference between a salad or dessert fork.
I think a lot of that is born of a need to draw a clear distinction between themselves and the rest of humanity, as a way to prove that they’re uniquely worthy of holding all that wealth.
I know, &I can't help bet guess how it winds-up messing with what to have expectations for,
The competition starts to fade away and they need to create new rules where they can prove they’re better than someone else.
Hits way too close to home. I sent it to my mentor and he called immediately, saying sarcastically that "he only got 5 minutes in and wanted to make sure I hadn't killed myself." For background, my mom left me to go on a cruise as a child while I was recovering from getting hit by a car because "you'd already woken up from the coma and you had amnesia, so it isn't like you remember that I was there." She uttered that gem at a dinner party she was throwing 6 months ago. I haven't seen children of rich narcissists on the screen to relate to.
Ed Helms stars in "Rutherford Falls" on Peacock, and his character seems like something of a correction of Andy. He plays a man obsessed with his family history as the founders of his hometown to the point where gatekeeping his family history has become his entire identity. And, like Andy, he is confronted with his ancestors problematic past which sends him into a bit of a tailspin. He's also born in privilege and is also an outcast in his wealthy family. The first season's pretty good and definitely has room to grow if they give it a chance like Parks and Rec. It also does a good job depicting modern Native American life in an honest but still humorous way.
I didn’t know about this, I’ll have to check it out~ thanks
Out of all The Office videos this channel made, this is hands down the best one! You summarized (or really, psychoanalyzed) Andy's character so perfectly.
Damn! Whoever authored this video did an amazing job analyzing this character arch. Well done.
This is sort of sad, it makes you think can love and friendship really help people or just stop the toxicity for a temporally moment.
I believe being around people you love and people who love you can truly make a difference and change your life. And also, having a relationship with God. God has a great plan for everyone
His career at a paper company can´t possibly bring him the career status he was conditioned to want. His narcissistic parents, his brother, and his other WASP upper crust Cornell classmates see him as someone who lost every competition he was in. They would look down on him for his job. He was not just super competitive, but it is problematic that he lost most of his competition.
That’s the best part. When you start ignoring them. Then you get new obstacles and the old people will appear again when you’re on your feet but won’t recognise you. That’s when you win.
Can you guys do a video about Parks & Rec? I love how Leslie Knope and the Native American Pawnee people work together despite their bloody history. Also the way Ron and Leslie work together is a perfect representation of how liberals and conservatives should work together.
Ron doesn't really strike me as a typical conservative but yeah great show
@@CarnageTrooperx yeah ron is a stated liberterian
I do wonder if this would have been the same character arc if Ed Helms didn't have to leave mid way through the seson to film The Hangover Part 3
Is that why he left on that boat? That’s a real shame!
I feel like the writers get the whole WASP thing wrong, and that's part of why his character is all over the place. As a millionth generation Old New England WASP, from old money, notable Revolutionary War connections, can claim half the surviving Mayflower passengers as ancestors, the works, I can confidently say they got his character wrong, especially in regards to privilege.
Here's the magic of having that kind of privilege: You know from birth that there is virtually no chance that that privilege is going to be taken away. You don't have to rub it anyone's face. Other people getting a better lot in life isn't going to diminish your own. You don't have to prove anything to anyone. Ideally you realize this, and use your privilege to help others. When it comes to old money, that kind of noblesse oblige carries much greater social currency than what kind of car you drive, of how much is in your trust fund.
Andy's character *screams* new money wannabe WASP, as do his parents. That kind of clamoring for status, and trying to prove you're better than everyone says, "I'm insecure in my position in society." It doesn't say, "I have a top drawer education, the resources to do what I want, and don't have to prove anything to anyone." Of all the main characters on the show, his was really the least consistently developed, and it's because the writers didn't seem to understand the kind of person they were writing. He ended up all over the place.
This is the real take right here.
I dunno, I think the writers understood pretty well because I'd say his character was a parody of what you describe. If they were trying to do a serious portrayal the way you describe it wouldn't be funny.
With all due respect my dude… it sounds like YOU just don’t want to have much in common with Andy. He was written disturbingly well- that’s why the audience has such stark feelings about him.
If you don’t relate to Andy that’s cool, but don’t say he was ill-written just because his experience doesn’t match yours.
The best way to deal with privileged egoistic parents. Is to NEVER expect anything positive from them and NEVER telling them about your life. It has worked for me until now, because such kind of parents are never satisfied until their child is miserable enough to make them feel good with themselves. I’m lucky enough to have found good friends who have helped me to understand my qualities and weakness.
yeah, but you're not gonna know that as a kid, which is the main problem. By the time you realize, your parents have already fucked you up pretty bad
I can honestly say I can relate to Andy. Sure, he’s a more extreme case, but my upbringing was somewhat similar except I was the favorite child which comes with its own issues.
Same and only child ☠️
Out of curiosity, what are the downsides/disadvantages of being the favorite? It doesn't seem like those types of children have to work as hard for their parents love.
@@IamKKH I won’t be able to speak for everyone’s experiences; but with me, it can be summed up like this:
1. It’s actually the opposite about getting their love in a way. It’s not about “getting their love”, but keeping it. Me-personally-my mom (single parent) kicked both my older siblings out when they were 18-so…I was 8 years old-because she couldn’t deal with them anymore. So from that point on, I dealt with the fear that if I wasn’t good enough, I would be abandoned by mom, thrown out, and alone.
2. Feeding into the first point, the pressure. Always feeling like you have to impress someone and be admired by everyone otherwise you are a failure.
3. Certain goals and aspirations must be approved. Again, this might just apply to me. Though I was generally successful in academics and sports, those were never really passions of mine. At the end of the day, I like to write stories, create characters, draw, stuff like that. But my mom deeply desired for me to be a pastor or a doctor. Because of that, activities and passions I enjoyed were often shunned or even mocked.
4. Siblings-if you have them-often take out their frustrations on you. My siblings-to this day-still say that I’m the favorite child and often go along with the pressure my mom puts on me by criticizing any mistakes I make and shoving them in face any chance they get. Here’s an example. Like I said previously “I was generally successful in school”. So I was an A-B student. My brother who now has a daughter often compares her to me saying “Well, she gets all A’s unlike you”. Because of that, my niece often feels pressured to comparing herself to me. Not just in academics. 2nd Example (Quick one). I cursed in front of my older sister. Not at her. Just to myself expressing some frustration. And her response was literally “you’re too pure for that”.
5. This is just a generalization, but stick with me. Usually, any time I say I have an issue, the blame is actually never with the other person. It’s always about what I failed to do which resulted in their actions.
Edit: Sorry, sorry last thing. I’m just gonna tell you what a psychiatrist told me. Basically he told me about a previous patient of his who was in a similar position as me who ended up committing suicide because all the pressure and expectation that they’d be the “successful one” got to them.
Now I could go on, but I think you get my point.
@@IamKKH It never feels good to be compared to your siblings. Never. Only narcissistic parents will constantly pit their children against each other and compare them. If you’re a parent, please never do this to your kids. It undermines their self worth and even if you’re the kid being put on the pedestal, it still feels terrible to see the pain on your siblings face when your parent is saying cruel things to them and then bringing you up like, “why can’t you be more like your sister?” And then your siblings hate you because you “make them look bad.” This kind of toxicity destroys families.
@@IamKKH awesome question. You NEVER want to be a parent’s “pet”. It’s repressive. So many parents want obedient children who mimic their values, because they think they have the answers. At least rebellious teens are free to be who they are. That’s what we’re designed to do at that age.
W/r/t the building donation, you didn't need to go to a deleted scene. He also name drops the building in a different moment when discussing leaving the building and discovering acapella.
Bernard Hall
When I first saw the office I saw myself a lot in his behavior. It's pretty accurate.
Everyone including his parents hated him, and yet he was nice to everyone until the lack of support broke him. It wasn't privilege that messed him up, it was lack of emotional support and acceptance. Wasn't even him, the dude just needed friends.
Andy just needed a hug
Just like me cause I could use a hug. Cause I currently don’t feel loved by my family. I’m gonna be lonely for Christmas
Great video, can we get more from Parks and Rec please?
Watching these videos have been opening my mind and heart for years!! Thank you 😊
I thought Nellie just made up the whole thing about Andy's family profiting from slavery?
She definitely made up the relationship to Michelle Obama😂
“If only he had access to Skillshare!”
I almost unsubscribed. Please don’t do that again. You’ve already mentioned your sponsor three times in the video at this point.
What an ominous threat, I’m sure it’s enough to stop this person from paying their bills. Wow. What an agent of change you truly are
@@Hippidippimahm thank you for noticing!!
Why is a rich boy working there to begin with?
Money CAN'T buy happiness. But it can buy a wave runner. Ever see a sad person on a wave runner.?? I challenge you to try and frown on a wave runner.
Please make a video about Ed’s character in The Hangover, Stu
They kind of did but it's about all three guys from the trilogy.
For details on the problem with conversations about “privilege”, I recommend TH-camr Counter Arguments’ short essay, “Privilege”.
I wouldn't exactly call a Cornell graduate who works in middle management at a regional Paper Supply Company in 2015 privileged I wouldn't call anybody in Scranton privileged.
I don’t understand and think it’s sad how Andy was treated. But he had all the resources to find and help himself become better easily. He also had many moments of self awareness. I don’t think there is much meaning in his story compared to so many others just in The Office itself
Honestly, for a video with this title I’m surprised it’s about Andy Bernard. I was kind of expecting something like that for Kendall Roy. But great job as always!
Videos like these remind me of how the post-Michael days were still a good show
Just because something is realistic doesn’t make it satisfying. We’d have to consult an expert on story structure to see if a character’s regression can still constitute a proper arc. It certainly doesn’t geometrically speaking, but I’m not an authority on the subject. We should probably ask about Jaime Lannister while we’re at it. As a viewer, though, I can tell you: the regression and muddled zigzagging certainly wasn’t satisfying to watch.
I actually relate alot with Andy so I felt pretty bad when I was watching him in the office. I was born in a rich family, have a lot of anger issues, very competitive with my friends academically, and am very insecure
This video made me re-evaluate Andy's office finale. I dont think his job will ultimately fulfill him and he will lve
Hmm I'm not sure I understood the whole point of this video. It seems that the Take tried their best to tie up Andy's character, but his character arch's just too problematic to tie together. Like some of the things that happened to Andy's character are decisions from the show producers/writers due to Ed Helms' other work.
What I think it’s BS is that this video starts on point criticising Andy’s parents narcissism (rightly) but then goes on about privilege when the only problem is the fact that they’re narcissists.
No matter what social class you are, you can be a narcissist and ruin your child’s life. With or without privilege.
Johnny Cash grew up humbly and his father always preferred his brother over him. It took him almost his whole adulthood to let that go.
It’s not like he made it because of it but in spite of it. And even after having made it, he was still miserable.
Brilliant analysis. I really enjoyed it! 👍🏻
I feel sorry for Andy. He was cool, and everyone was mean to him. Even the fucking writers screwed him over by ruining his character.
Yes...money can buy you happiness
In away, it allows you to buy things that make you happy
This really helps explain the Trump children to me.
as a long time fan, its saddening how many ads you have in the video and on the video.....breaking my heart The Take
Any Office Take I’m here for! Thanks! I needed this today!! 💕🥰
6:14 did anyone else notice that sneaky skill share transition lol
Fantastic points - this channel never disappoints
Yes! Please help me understand Andy.. I couldn't relate with him at all.
*and it only took The Take - about 3 minutes to help me relate
Can I request a trope to be explained/cancelled? Tighty-whities as shorthand for man-child (Alan on 2.5 men, Smokey on Friday, Sheldon on tbbt, etc.).
Him trying to “people please” Angela with that screensaver wasn’t people pleasing. That was him trying to get her in bed lol their actual relationship is full of people pleasing
I adored Jan Levinson, and Melora Hardin is absolutely stunning.
He's in my top 3 favourite on the show
I found him to be the most annoying character on the show throughout most episodes. But the episode in which Michael is the other man with a married woman, speaking badly of the husband around Andy, totally disregarding that Andy had been recently cheated on by Angela, was a great one and his character was needed.
Absolutely, especially since they made Andy Bernard or as I call him Andy Berdoosh as the manager. Once Carell left, the show was never the same, the people loved Michael Scott, they hated Andy Bernard. He was self-centered, one-dimensional and not funny, unlike Carell. I think he just got tired of the Office and when he got no response form the NBC brass, he thought it was time to leave. Carell planned to stay on the show and sign another couple of years, they just did not get a response from the executives. At least Carell had the most success and now he will play Gru, the hero in Despicable me. He had some box office duds but he had the most success out of all of them.
And Andy Bernard or Ed Helms is Privilege in real life because his dad was a hedge-fund manager. The executive producer of the show was a Dartmouth Grad and she made his character extra dooshy because he was a Cornell grad, the rival school. The only thing I can say is he played his role well.
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS 💖
You should do an episode on Toby
Office version of Succession
Ya know what that was actually really insightful
Ok, money can't buy happiness. Then what do you do when you're unhappy AND poor?🤔
you hope to be rich, and that money will make you happy
And that is all you will ever have... empity hope....
Can you talk About Kaitou Joker?
No, it’s not quirky or funny to make it seems like an ad is a genuine progression of the talk and has to do something with the character. In fact, it’s very annoying and distracting.
ed helms' real life wife was in the ultimatum episode and looks EXACTLY like jessica 😅
The writers ruined his character because they were kissed Ed helms went to do the hangover 3.
His story arc in season 9 could have been really good. I think the take is reaching a bit on this one
Can you do a video about Hulu’s The Great!? It’s so Great!!!
Question.
Why do people like Michael so much?
I don't dislike him, but don't like him either.
I AM A WEIRD GIRL!!! ...no,wait I'm a guy. I guess I'll just tune the weird girl inside me
You guys are so cool
Very nice vid and I like the office a lot but shame on you for the adds. An add at the start and end about mugs, an add as part of the video AND frequent interrupting adds during the video. Shame on you. "It seems there's a video in all of your adds"
omg... I'm Andy.....
Please can you do a take on HOUSE MD character Dr. House
Che fijense que se les metió un poco de video en los 15 minutos de publicidad
not me seeing myself in Andy
I hated him from beginning to end, lol.
I have never hated a sitcom character before andy. Like actually hated. I love the show, but not andy. I never knew I could hate someone who doesn't even exist
But billionaires won't stop trying
Good video feel bad for andy tbh he needs a ton of therapy
...but still waiting for the air and earth personality avatar the last airbender vids lmao
mano, nem tenta tá legal?
His constant Glee parody singing, and his privileged made me sick and was the worst part of the last 4 seasons.
i liked him probably until the time he got the nard dog tattoo. after that it all just went downhill
Omg this show just seems so toxic
He's just the worst !
anyone else found themselves not rooting for him at all even when he made steps to improve himself? too little too late, for me
Weird girl merch? more like from generic white girls